The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - The Traits of a Traitor with Wells Adams

Episode Date: January 28, 2025

Wells is back from Scotland and he’s ready to tell all about his time in the castle on season 3 of The Traitors! Find out how Traitors is different from the drama on Bachelor in Paradise, and why Wells was sent home because of the threat of his “big brain”. Plus, Wells takes us behind the scenes of the fashion of Traitors and he shares some insight on what the future holds for Paradise!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to America's Crime Lab on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. This is the Ben and Ashley I, Almost Famous Podcasts with IHartRadio. Hello, everyone. Welcome to the Almost Famous Podcast. Today we have Wells Adams on. He's going to talk to us about his experience on traitors. It was a brief experience, and I'm sure you're sad about that. And we were just talking about how, you know, Ben has watched your episode. I haven't watched it yet. And I don't haven't watched it yet because I tried to watch Peter's season.

And I was so confused by the concept. Do they give you, like, some training on like, oh, I think it's the most vague thing ever. Please, please explain what it works, how it works. Yeah. So it's based off a game that a lot, like a lot of people play, like at house parties called Weirwolf or Mafia. And, yeah, it's, it's derived from like an old Russian social experiment. Okay.

And the thought is, is that the informed few always will be able to be more powerful than the uninformed masses. So it's a little meta, I guess. Okay. Thank you for admitting that it is meta. Yeah. So the idea is that you've got, you know, you go to this castle in Scotland, and Alan Cummings, who's this amazing actor, is the host of it, and he's kind of the lord of the manner, and he puts everyone around this big table and makes everyone put blindfolds on, and then you have an orgy, and then after that, I'm a joke, joking, that didn't happen, or at least when I was there. It may have happened to your con. It might have had, the orgy might have happened afterwards, which is,

That's a bummer. And so, yeah, he chooses who the traitors are. And then basically the idea is, is the rest of the show is all the faithfuls. The people who aren't traitors are trying to figure out who the traitors are. And if you are a traitor, you're supposed to lie and pretend that you're not and you're also in search. Yes. Okay. Yeah.

And so, yeah, every night the traitors murder somebody. and then every day the faithfuls try to figure out who why they were murdered and who could have done it and then they vote to say who the one of the traders is that would have murdered that person. Does that make sense? Okay. So do the traders get together to tell us, hi Ben, hi Ben, Ben's here. I just jumped into this. She didn't even say, she didn't even say I was here.

That was cool. She was so excited. Okay. So when you guys, do the traders get together? Do they know who each other are? Yes. So every night they come together in like the, in a turret at like the top of the castle and they talk about who they want to murder and they write it down on a piece of parchment and then they murder whoever they're going to murder. And then the next morning, everyone comes to breakfast. And then that's when it's revealed who they murdered that night. but it's all a metaphorical murder yeah no one actually was obviously that but I mean like

so do you like sit around the round table and then you go so and so was murdered but they still sit in front of us no they you leave you leave the show oh they're just gone yeah okay Wells I have a couple questions for you that I'm just curious about and I don't want to switch gears yet but I do have a question on this

overall reality television or like stars going back onto reality television, how that all works. I have a theory about why you were eliminated. And I want to know what you think to this. I think everybody there realized that you're probably the only person that actually knew how to play this game

and knew what the show was. And I mean, if I was on that show, I would say, let's take out the strongest person first before they can kind of get their grip into this experience. Do you think that had any role you getting eliminated? No, I mean, I think that

I think that they probably saw me as someone who was like not a complete idiot, you know? Are you insinuating that other people in the house are idiots? No, of course not. No, I just, I mean, I don't even know if I was there long enough for them

to like pinpoint that like I'm a huge threat. You know, my plan going into it was to like be under the radar really not say much just be kind of likeable and the first mission that we go do is this like kind of big dragon boat race where we had to elect someone to work the rudder to steer the boat and so the question was posed like so who's the best leader here who's you know who's smart who can do this and everyone like unanimously chose me and we're like five hours into filming the show and I was like okay well I'm not doing a very good job of like staying under the radar because apparently

They think I'm some, like, amazing ship captain. So I knew immediately I was like, okay, I think that people, maybe are sensing that, like, I'm outspoken or somewhat of a leader. But, yeah, I don't know. I mean, yes and no, because the way that I get banished, the last person to make the vote is a traitor in Carolyn. And so I do think that there was some conversation of, like, if we can get Wells out, let's get them out now. but yeah I mean there are some other like really really cerebral players in the game that I would be very nervous about more so than me like I think Dylan's very smart and I think they surprised that they haven't tried to get him out because I think that Dylan Ephron yeah my boy Dylan Ephron so yeah no I mean I that's a nice sentiment Ben to say that the reason why I'm off the show is because I was such a threat because of my you know massive brain

yeah well you got something big so then the if you get eliminated now you look back is there any strategy that you wish you would have done differently like any regrets not from the experience and oh I look like this but anything

that you wish you would have gone in doing differently I mean you know Alan sits you down and ask if you want to be a traitor or not and I was just really indifferent and I think that that was probably not really great like strategy but that's just how I felt and that's how I still feel like he was like do you want to be a traitor and I was like if I was a traitor I'd be good at it uh if I'm not I think

I'll be really good at like figuring out who the traders are because you know on paradise my whole job is to sit there and listen to these you know people complain and whatever and give them advice and stuff so I'm usually like a good um you know judge of character and I thought I'd be able to figure out who the traders were pretty easily. So I was just like super indifferent. Like I guess going back, like, I think the play is to probably beg to be a trader because at least you have, um, you have the power to not be banished so easily, you know, because you least have the other traders that should be on your side.

Um, you can help like create diversions to put it on other people. Um, whereas for my situation, I was just like total sacrificial lamb. The truth of the matter is what happened was they killed Dorinda the night before and everyone thought that Durinda was a traitor. Like there was no question in the house. We all were like, she's definitely a traitor. She was the first one to get off the dragon boat, which means she didn't care about having immunity. She comes back to the house so angry, yelling and screaming at people. Everyone's like, this is a little much, you know?

It's like, just calm down. So you're kind of overacting. So that night we all were like, yeah, I think that we're all going to vote for her. her right and everyone was like uh-huh and then the next morning she's the one who's murdered and so i say the thing which is the thing that like ultimately gets me killed which to to your point maybe what i would have done differently is i wouldn't have said the thing that i said but i was like that was a dumb move why would you kill someone we were already going to banish in seven hours like get someone else out that's a that's a bigger threat or to like throw you know confusion a different way but why would you

we were going to do the work for you and so I say it I stand 10 toes in the sand on this I think it was stupid uh they haven't made a whole lot of decisions the traders that I think have been smart thus far now I was the second the second one out of that show so I don't know if this is about me but uh yeah I shouldn't have said that because when I said that people got a well one person got offended which is which is Robin and she was like I think it was silly smart and I was like what and no, everyone agreed with me, except for her. And then that's how she, uh, she, like, started the campaign against me was a traitor would say that.

And I was like, a traitor would make fun of the decision they made. I don't know if that's true at all. Anyways. So, um, a lot of these reality shows are recruiting former bachelor stars and, you know, the former housewives and all that. So I was on stars on Mars. and I felt like there was no producer involvement

and then those who were on special forces say the same. How was that with your show? Same. Yeah, it's such a different experience to what Bachelor Nation feels like where like you have a producer that's kind of always with you and like always does your interviews with you and stuff.

So yeah, it's very, very hands off which I think is a testament to you know it's putting a lot of faith in just the show being good you know like you're not manipulating

not changing things around so yeah it's no like there's not even anyone in the room when you're doing interviews yes that was my experience I didn't like that I didn't like the way that they did it

because I just didn't feel it was personal I don't know I felt like I needed to have some sort of rapport with the people that I was putting the show on but that was just probably because of like four seasons of the bachelor yeah and well you when you do the bachelor you become really close with those producers uh yeah so so like they're therapists so you don't have you didn't have anyone other than the cast interact with yeah my boyfriend's professor is way too friendly and now i'm seriously suspicious oh wait a minute sam maybe her boyfriend's just

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Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor, and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he's, now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast.

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Jessica and I followed X the night that you got eliminated. people were pretty upset about your elimination i think they were excited to watch you again on television kind of in your own work like with your own personality doing your thing i was obviously upset too i don't like that they let you go i think it made the show worse but that's just my opinion ratings would disagree with you it's like the number one yeah i don't think anybody else cares might be the only one it's all right uh there i've watched special forces obviously traders is going on right now. There's something I don't understand because I've not been on one of these shows. It feels like these reality television personalities, actors, athletes, you know, people that

are in the know that come on these shows, it's very quick for them to get into some type of character. So on special forces, you see the missions being done and contestants get out of the, off the mission, and they refer to, you know, the host of the show, uh, as chief, you know, I think it's chief is what they call them. Like, yes, sir, yes, chief. Like, there's a respect. And it's not even, doesn't feel forced. It's, it's just out of, you know, respect and out of respect for the show. Same thing with traitors. You kind of get into character, you show up to this house and right away, you're in it. Like people are acting, people are traders, people are, you know, going along with it. How does that happen so quickly? Is there like a

pre-production, like, hey, this is who you are now in this, in this world? Does that just happen naturally from being in the mansion in Scotland. I'm curious, mostly asking, how do people get into character so quickly without being professional actors? Well, I don't think anyone got into character, well, the traitors maybe, but I think for the most part,

everyone was just kind of being undeniably themselves. In terms of having respect for the host, it's Alan Cummings, you know, he's a kind of a big star he was in he was in a bond film that I was excited about he was in annie with my wife um so uh yeah maybe maybe this was one of my downfalls I was just me there I was just doing me um I'm not a good enough actor to like put on some big ruse for everybody maybe if I had been a traitor I would have done it I probably would have done the exact same thing though it's just like because I think the second you start acting little funny is the

second people start questioning like what's going on and a good example of that is with um this trader daniel in the most recent episode that i watched where she starts doing things in a mission where it makes no sense she's not not trying to save herself and she's acting funny and everyone's like what is going on so yeah i think the second that you start acting a little bit different than who you are um i think that's a big red flag it's also interesting though that because this show it's an amalgamation of all these other other reality shows and it's like kind of like an all star team of all these different really good reality TV makers and people kind of come in there with preconceived notions of like what these people are and that's what they are like the housewives

don't stop talking like it is up yelling and screaming and being funny and like uh and i think one of the downfalls that i had was robin said something like i noticed that you started acting a little bit different like after this thing and um and i was and i know exactly what she was talking about like when cameras aren't rolling, like, I am not being funny. I am not talking to anybody. I'm hanging out, right? Like, I'm not wasting good jokes on no cameras being on. But the housewives, they have, they could give two shots that there are cameras there.

It's just them like this all the time, which is wild to me. So then that's the thing that you'd like kind of put into when you're judging people or like trying to suss out people is like how they are kind of in their, natural habitat. And that was a funny thing because I think that different reality TV people are different. And then you have the people who are really good at or go on the reality shows that are games, right? Survivor, the challenge, big brother. And then that's a whole thing because you're like, you're good at manipulating people. Whereas like the people from the bachelor are like good at saying, you're here for the wrong reason. You know, like that's the only thing that we can do.

So yeah, it's interesting to go in there and I don't think people are acting different. I think people are just trying to figure out how people normally act when are there. Very interesting. Sarah said, your wife, Sarah, said that she, she, she, you said that she wasn't proud of you. No, that was, okay, first of all, whoever did that interview is, I'm annoyed with that. They asked if, if she was proud of that. And I said, well, probably not, you know, like I'm. I wanted to show like immediately off

but I was like I don't think the truth of the matter is I don't think she cares really she knows she's like yeah whatever you're an idiot no she didn't say that that's what I think that she probably thinks you know at the other day she was like great you're going to come home sooner

yeah you know yeah it's yeah I mean it'd be shocking I mean it'd be it almost be pitiful she was proud of you like well this is kind of what I expected I'm just proud that you went like that'd be kind of like sad like what you didn't have any other expectations for me to be there longer yeah you're just

proud that I showed up um all right wells you looked really good though uh especially in your pictures your promo pictures your video the first episode you did a great suit on is that a suit you specifically chose for this moment because it felt very much like a traitor suit oh for sure so this is what sucked about doing this show uh like a big part of it is the fashion like it's now become a thing of like you got to bring it like Alan kind of sets the you know sets the bar and then you're just like kind of chasing after Alan like trying to look good so I got a freaking stylist I paid a ton of money these looks I got to do one of them and I was a really like dude I had so many cool things and then when what they what I get banished in

was my least favorite look that they were like you got to wear this one and I was like So, yeah, I had so many good, I had so many good looks. I told the stylist, I was like, I want to look, you know, like the Kingsman or the gentleman. I was like, go find that stuff. That's what I want to look like. It was a lot of plaids, a lot of tweeds, a lot of houndstooth. I tell you what, you know, America really was robbed of just me serving so many looks. that never was seen.

Now you know what it feels like to be a girl who's eliminated on night one of The Bachelor. Yeah, it's tough. Disappointing. I want to dive in here a little bit to some of the unique characters on the show. Tom Sandoval obviously has been in the headlines. It feels like for years.

What was it like meeting Tom? And did you know him before? I don't think I had met him before, but it's funny. We both have the same manager, so I'm familiar with him and his antics and stuff and like, you know,

I guess the headlines of Tom Sandoval. You know, he was, it's funny because he's like, he's like a housewife where he talks so much and you're like, dude, does this ever stop?

Is you ever going to stop talking? But he was like really wanting to figure out who the traders were. He just wasn't very good at it. Or is, isn't very good at it now. Who knows how things will go going forward. But I remember thinking like, all right, if I'm producing this TV show, okay, these are the

people that I want to make traders and these are people that I wouldn't want to make traders or these people that I think that could, that have like the personality or the backbone to do it. And I remember thinking like it would be way too on the nose to make like America's biggest villain a villain again. that makes no sense. So I remember being like, whatever, you're not a, I know you're not a traitor, dude. So like, whatever.

I did that with a lot of people. And a lot of people didn't like that that was like my, the way that I thought. I was like, I was like singling out people who I was like, there's no way that they'd ever be a traitor. And then like making a small pool of people who I think were possibilities. And I remember Tony, who is a homicide detective in the roundtable, which wasn't shown, but he gave me crap for this way of thinking. And I was like, Tony, you're a cop. Isn't like the number one thing

when a crime is committed is to figure out who's got an alibi so they can be out of like the investigation? What are you talking about? And he didn't really have a very good response for that. But yeah, Tom Sandoval was, he was just kind of everything that you would expect Tom Sandoval to be.

He didn't cheat on anybody there. That's a win. At least that we know of yet. What was your relationship with Gabby before the show? None. I had zero relationship with Gabby because she's never done Paradise. She never even like come on as like a guest host or date host or whatever in Paradise. So I had never met her.

She was lovely. I enjoyed hanging out with her and the Bambies. Actually, you don't watch a show. But so there's- Yeah, I was like part of what our. So you have Gabby and then you have Cushel from Selling Sunset and then you have Nikki Bella from like well I think that she's got her own reality show but she's also like a wrestler anyways there are these like you know beautiful women who have like amazing looks and

they called themselves the Bambies and they were like best friends and so after the Dragon Boat race I was in the car with the Bambies and you know there was this whole kind of like sub-storyline of toxic masculinity because some of the guys were saying the girls need to get out of the boat first because they weren't as strong as the guys and yada yada yada

and I had offered myself up to get out because I didn't think that that was right and Gabby said something to the effect of like I knew you were an ally and I was like yes I'm in I'm in with the Vambes

and then and I was banished And then you get kicked off. But they didn't vote for me. Yeah. I don't have voted for me. There's so many questions here about what you think happens the rest of the season and is there anything else you can tease about the season?

My assumption is you know very little about what happens the rest of the season, right? Sure. Yeah. Is there anything then that you can tease about how the rest of the season plays out that listeners and then viewers could get really excited about? No, I mean, I don't know. No, I have no idea. I'm watching it now just like with you guys as well.

I'm really interested this season because I've been very critical of the traders and the decisions that they've made. But like a lot of them haven't made a whole lot of sense to me. And I'm interested to see if, you know, the only smart decision I saw someone make as a trader was Rob not putting anybody in the caskets that was a traitor, which made everyone think that there had to have been a traitor in one of those caskets. That was a good move. Other than that, nothing has really kind of impressed me in terms of them manipulating the rest of the faithfuls. So I'm excited to see if Wes is able to get Rob out, which looks like he's trying to hone in, they're going to have to find another trader to replace him.

And I wonder who that person is going to be, if one, and they'll accept it. And two, if they'll start making some better decisions to kind of write the show. because the traders should win this game. They have all the information. They are able to manipulate. The traitor, the faithful, have no idea what's going on. And it'll be interesting to see who does win. Because right now, if I'm looking at the show completely objectively,

I'm like, the faithfuls are going to win this game. Like the traders are making these crazy bad decisions. So I'm hoping that they are able to bring in a new trader that is able to turn the tide a little bit. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Oh, wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot.

He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's, former professor and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating.

He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hi, my name is Enya Umanzor.

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and I want to say that I think Ben is really going to truly be the next on special forces from the Bachelor franchise except for Jess might kill him because it'll probably be recording when they have very much of a newborn. Don't go do that show. Do not do that show. I think I'm more built for like a traitors. Two traitors.

I don't know. I see you in the camo. Oh, God. You're going to get here, hurt yourself. Yeah. They're like Navy SEALs kicking your ass every day. I know. It's scary as heck. There's not enough money.

in the world making me go do that show. I'm a better, I'm a better version of myself when Wells is with me. And so I would do it if it was like both of us there because then I think we could survive. I just have this image in my mind of us standing there at the end, getting cold water dumped over us for like eight hours straight being like, this is the stupidest thing I've ever done. Like what, like what is happening? Yeah.

Well, don't hold your breath because I'm never going to do that show. So we're not doing it together. special forces producers hear this conversation and know that they will not do it I would because there is there is enough money for me to do it I'm not in a place to turn down money so

I think that you should do traders one because you're such a likable affable guy and I just I do think that TV is better when bends on it you know yeah

totally agree. Who do you think is going to be the next traitors? Bachelor-condescent. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, that'll be interesting to see. I pitched Joey on it. He was like, I'm not sure yet. I mean, he's like doing Dancing with the Stars. Who is? Well, I guess

let's wait and see who's like a big name on on Grant season. I have the perfect people. Can I answer this question? Yeah, please. I don't know. I think it's Rachel Kirkconnell. I think they have to pull her on from this Matt James break up and put her on traitors.

Yeah. Or you know it'd be even better? Matt. Put them both on. Ooh. That sounds like a paradise scenario, well, speaking of paradise. We've heard headlines. We've read headlines.

I believe at some point in the last six months, it was like mildly confirmed that paradise is coming back. What do you know about it? Would you be a part of it? it. Are you a part of it? Well, I know that there's a new show runner. I did see that. Like, that was released. So that's like, I guess that's like layman terms like that's a new boss. So it'll be interesting to see like what what they decide to do with the show going forward. I love doing that show. I've done, you know, whatever eight seasons, nine seasons of it. So I think

it would be a huge bummer if I wasn't a part of it. But obviously, you know, who knows what's going to happen. Like we weren't able to do it last season because they, They were filming Golden Bachelorette, which was a fantastic show. Don't get me wrong. But my thought is, Paradise is such fun TV. And sometimes I watch what's on TV and I'm like, I need more fun. I need more happiness. I need more silliness, which I think that show does a good job of.

And so I guess my thing is, I hope it comes back purely for that, whether I'm a part of it or not. I don't know how you don't have to comment on this well. I think Ashley and myself both agree and I don't think this is a controversial statement I'd actually say I would put if we put a pull out there 100% of the people would agree I don't think it is paradise without you there

like I don't think that makes sense to me and when I think of paradise I think of you you're like the one person that could never leave the beach now yeah I'm stuck in that bar yeah I just don't see it without you like I don't think it's as fun and silly and sometimes emotional and romantic

without you yeah i don't disagree with you like i i think i've become on that show like you know when they did the season of the bachelor that wasn't at the mansion i felt like that was so weird and i hated it and i'm like you got it you can't you got to go back there like that's such a main character like that's such an important thing um and so yeah i think like for paradise like it would be weird because like i've i've just been there for so long uh i know you know with the pitfalls are, you know, I've seen so many people find love, been a part of those relationships, married some of them personally. So, yeah, I agree with you. I think it would be weird if I

wasn't a part of it. But, you know, if a showrunner wants to make their life a little easier, like, hey, I'm sure this person's fully capable of doing the job that they've been hired to do. If they want to make their life a little easier and they happen to see this headline, bring in Wells. He knows how this thing works. They will get a lot of backlash if they don't have you there. Yeah. Yeah, I don't know if they need any more of that either. All right. Well, thank you so much, Wells.

I really think that I'm going to watch an episode because, man, so many people are talking about this show. So if I watch an episode, it will be yours. It's a, first of all, I want two episodes, not just one. Oh, okay. That's going to be so short, all right? But not on three. He's not on three.

No, no, no, no. It is a fantastic show. and like the second you I think for you like understand what's going on you become extremely hooked so yeah go watch I really do think you'll like it

and then also you should just be on it like go watch it so you can tell your agent to be like go get me on your show I think that I'm very far down in the totem pole I think that Caitlin Bristow will be issuing

yeah probably Joey actually don't sell yourself short short we got 10 years of the almost famous podcast coming your way Everywhere you can listen to the podcast, please go rate and review us. Only if it's a nice thing to say. If it's a mean thing to say, don't say it at all.

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