The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - They’ll Be Friends When (Slam) Pigs Fly! (Real Housewives of Rhode Island S1 E8)

Episode Date: May 18, 2026

Ben and Lauren break down the oh-so-awkward dinner at Rulla’s house, along with Brian’s bizarre behavior. What do you think about the creepy story he told??We’re shocked by the Rosie and Kelsey fight, which went so much further than we expected, and we dissect the emotional heart-to-heart Jo-Ellen has with her mom.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I had to do, there's four moments, Lauren, during this episode where I had to do the thing where I cover my eyes. Like I can't watch it. I can hear. I just can't watch it. Yeah, it's like secondhand embarrassment, but like not even embarrassment, but just like, oh my God, if I was in that scenario, I don't know what. what I would do. I have zero idea what I would do. So stressful. So, so stressful. We have a huge episode.

I love this episode, Lauren. This was a good episode. It was so, there was so much happening. And we're going to start at Alicia's house. Yeah. This storyline is amazing. And they're playing into it just as much as I want them to. I don't want it to be the main storyline of Alicia the whole season.

But it does feel like the show really wants us all to be very aware. that Alicia has some corks. Yes, that, yes. That make her different dolls and the lack of ability to drive. And crackers. Ashley told her, told Alicia that she should start a cracker line,

which would be iconic. But the driving thing infuriates me so much. Like, I know everyone says they're a good driver. I am the best driver. Like, I am actually very good. Like,

if I were to go over and start over again this life, I would be a race car driver. So when I see someone driving, like so close to the steering wheel, so nervous, it makes me so irrationally mad. But yeah, I guess they're like trying to portray that she can't like go do normal errands, pick up her daughter, pick up, drop off, all that stuff. So her husband is pissed at her. And I know what bridge she was worried about, which is so funny because it's so funny.

And there's like three bridges, but there are actually very scary. I'll give her that. Bridges are scary. Her husband, my wife is very capable. I have been in moments in life, and I'm sure she would say the same about me, where you just want to directly say what you're feeling. Like, hey, Alicia, get over it.

Like, it's driving. People do this at 16 years old. People do this at 85 years old. Suck it up and, like, move on. She's not like a five-lane road here. It's always two max. It's not that crazy. And he's holding it together, but there isn't this like, at some point in marriage,

there isn't the sensitive, sweet way to communicate exactly what it is you want to say. And I was watching this and saying, Alicia, you realize you make everybody else's life a little bit harder because of your problem. And one of the things I was told growing up is don't make your problems other people's problems. Yeah. And you could tell, by the way, she was, her daughter, I guess, has to coach her through and she's in the back seat and Alicia's driving. She's like, yeah, my daughter says, it's okay, mom, it's okay. It's like now the daughter is going to have like issues with the road. That's true. And what I'm also getting from this is, oh, just get a driver, you know? Because normal housewives from other seasons would be like, I have a driver because I can't drive. But they're not at that level of wealth that we're normally seeing from the other. seasons. So she has to learn and suck it up. She has to suck it up. She has to. But it is a funny little storyline. Uh, I am learning to become more endeared to Alicia episode by episode just

because she is a character and she's funny. And she is, I think, uh, desiring to be a good friend to get along. Uh, to, she has a good heart. Uh, speaking of good hearts, we get to meet Rosie's dog again, Clemmy. who's in a princess outfit. This is where we get a look at the house outside of what anybody else wants to say. That is a massive build on. It is easily 5,000 square feet.

That is a huge piece of concrete that they're putting in. Yeah. Yeah, I definitely believe her now. I don't think they fully showed the whole like square edition before the first time we went over to her house. The plans are laid out on the kitchen counter.

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I wonder if she was like prepped like, hey, we're about to talk about our childhood right now. Or it was just like, no, you're going to go to Grandpa's house. And then you're going to talk about Grandpa. And then Joe Allen bringing up that, Mom, you never liked me. What'd you feel about this? I mean, that's one of those I had to cover my eyes. Well, what I thought was great was like, mom gave me examples of like what I did that, you know, pissed you off so much to have me sent away. And she was like, your behavior is outrageous.

And it's like, what happened? She's like, the lies. I'm like, if every teenager is going to be sent away for lying to their parents, there would be no more teenagers in any home around the country. Sure. And I thought that, you know, it was basically Joe Allen. I think her sister may have more like sympathy for her mom because she's not coming at her as hard. But I thought it was very interesting when Joel's mom said, I had a lot of my plate guys. That was basically it.

She was like, I had a send one of you away because there was just too much going on. I was overwhelmed. And I was like, that's exactly probably what it was. She was like, how do I get rid of some of this stress in my life? Oh yeah, I'll send, I'll send Joe on away. And I guess her sister. The promiscuous, you know, won away. Yeah.

I, you know, you obviously have had conversations that are probably at confronting a situation, like something with your mom. Did this feel like how a daughter and mother would communicate? Obviously, there's a lot of like personal stuff here. It was a little bit more like in your face than, hey, mom. sorry that I broke your pot kind of conversation or yes, I snuck out last night. But does this feel like how a conversation would go between a daughter and a mother? I think it's kind of exactly how it would go because it started off a little bit lighthearted.

Like, oh, I'm a bitch. And then it's like, oh, I'm a bitch because of you. And it's like, what are you talking about? And then it's like, no, for real mom. And then it goes deep, deep, deep. And then everyone's scrambling and then everyone's crying. And they're like, I'm sorry I did this to you. And then eventually it kind of, hopefully,

ends up in some common ground. And it seems like there was common ground. She was just like I, I am my mother and that's it's a, it's a cycle thing. And she said she'll try and be around more going forward. But I'm just like the damage is kind of done. Like I don't, I don't think that everything's going to change. I need to get more. I need more in depth conversation about like step by step what she did to get sent away a little bit more. But I think for now, I think they'll probably have a better relationship. I don't know. Until her mom watches the show.

Oh, well, it seems like she's pretty upfront about it with her mom. Yeah. But yeah, but she is being thrown under the bus a lot. She's like, I didn't sign up for the show. You did, Joellen. Yeah, it's kind of, you know, it's not going to be an easy watch because leading up to this episode, there is a lot of references to I don't do things properly. It's, there's a moment in there where Joellen mentions, um, that she's like hard, uh,

because of her. upbringing. Like she doesn't know how to be likable and not be mean. That, you know, that takes a lot of work to get to a place to be able to admit that. And it's, it was a little bit surprising coming from Joellen because so much of this season, she's come out as the confident one who maybe doesn't have the greatest awareness of self. And in this moment, you see her admit, hey, I have stuff. And I think it's because of you. So my hope is, you know, this is not a thing that I don't love in family fighting. I would love to see this get settled and healed and be able to move on through the rest

of the season in a healthier way. I hope that to be true. I think it may be true. But also, I just want to say, like, I think Jo Allen's doing great. Like, I think she's actually very well around it. She's got great kids. She's a great husband. She has great friends.

So she may dig in drama a little bit too much. I think that she's doing pretty well. Great career. all around, you know, pretty good for like the upbringing that she had. That's, that's really like, you're right. And she is doing great. And she's representing herself very well. I, as I said last week, I thought she was going to be the potster,

trouble starter, the drama one. And she hasn't really been. She's just been the one that's got caught up in this whole Rula situation that we'll get to in just a bit. But before we get to that, we do have to talk about Liz and Dolores. We're going to give them a free ad here for their minimum. menopause gummies that they're just popping like candy. The two of them are starting a business together. I could see this becoming very successful.

Good for them. And it is one of the only moments of this episode that we see Liz. It kind of felt like they had to figure out a way to plug her in. And they did it with this kind of lab visit. Yeah. Very interesting. Gotta say, Dolores' hair looked amazing in that day. I was like obsessed.

Yeah, Liz said something that I had no idea about that Rhode Island was the first date to like recognize menopausal women as a protected class or something. Not even sure what that means, quite honestly, but it sounds very interesting. I guess it's like... Wouldn't that mean that they could get time off work and stuff like that? Okay, yeah, so I thought I was like a pregnant woman or something like that. Very interesting. The gummies kind of seem delicious.

I don't know like the full effects of it if you actually feel high or not or if they take different properties. Lauren, we have a few key components about this episode that we got to dive into. Yes. Ashley doesn't have a huge role this episode. No. We kind of get filled in on where she went last week. This isn't her episode because the episode is taken up by so many other things. We're going to start with what I think was one of the most interesting scenes of this episode, which is at Rula's house.

Rula has invited Alicia and her husband or her boyfriend, fiancé. Oh, yeah. That's tough. Yeah, they're engaged. Yeah, over to have dinner with Brian Rula. It's a very nice dinner. They're doing some Catcha to Pepe, some filet mignon. They're drinking.

Brian's getting liquided up for this. Yeah, he had to have a couple shots to keel before they came over, like with courage to confront the lady who knows the secret, which he, I guess, doesn't even know. can we talk about first what stood out to me most is that Brian I guess is a little drunk

doesn't seem like drunk he's saying like stupid shit like every husband does honestly I was I'm glad you said that because I understand that he was Rueless sensitive right now with the whole cast but it did feel like she was being

really hard on him like everything he said was like oh sweetie oh you're crazy you're crazy it's like I it is a very normal dinner conversation actually but he said that when they met he was like telling the bartender

give her doubles and give me singles what a weird weird thing to admit uh huh is it does it make it better that they got married ew no I don't know I mean I think it's weird

like I do think when you hear that like if a buddy of mine is single and he's like yeah last time I met this girl and it was great like I was getting singles and I was telling the bartender, give her doubles, I'd be like, hey, buddy, that's not good. Yeah. Like, that's, that's, that's bad.

But that's behavior, yeah. Yeah, that's very creepy. I would expect that from Brian for sure, though. Sure. But now that he's saying it about his wife. It's a little bit funnier. Yeah, it's like, but it's still not good. It just traces back to, I think, pointing to the character of Brian.

Yeah, I mean, that, yeah, leading up to marriage. There was no giggles after that conversation, unless, or, or they added the giggles out. Yeah, no one is really impressed. He was saying other things like, oh, I get the Botox, the Ozempic, the steroids, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And because he sells it at his podiatrist office, which is kind of bizarre to me. Why would a podiatrist be doing that? But I do know the mistress next door is providing all those services.

So I think he's actually just getting it for the mistress because why would a podiatrist be giving out of Zempic? I have no idea. I think it's a great question. Or Botox. It feels very weird. That was a very uncomfortable. Now, don't get me wrong here. I don't want somebody to hear me and say, hey, it's not weird that he was like trying to get his wife drunk when they were dating.

I think it's odd. I'm saying it points to his character. But they did get married from it. She said, at some point, she said, yeah, that is my guy. And she's an adult and she makes those decisions too. the conversation about him taking supplements or

what's the word form why am I not yeah but peptides and taking peptides it felt weird to me because he's pretty much talking about how like his body is panicking and freaking out and so then he pumps steroids in

and then he does something else it's Brian. I'm not like looking at this to me like that's my model person. The weird one and I'm actually, I love Billy in this because Alicia's like, oh, how Zimpic and all that. And Billy's like, stop Alicia.

And I think that's such a good moment for somebody that care. He's like, you don't need it. Like stop playing into this. Very interested. Yes. Like get this out of your head. Like you're beautiful. You're wonderful.

Like you don't need this. And so like this whole intrigue that you're saying that you need all this stuff done, you don't. And I actually heard him say that. I was like, that's a good, like that's very caring and sweet to look at your wife and be like, hey, you're beautiful. Stop. Yeah. And not getting wrapped up in the conversation just to talk about Ozambic or whatever. It's like, no, girl, stop.

You're literally so skinny. Like, stop it. You're beautiful. Yeah. No, I love that. I actually didn't pick up on that until you mentioned it. Yeah, she just seemed like very like leaned into that conversation. But the whole point of her being there also is to be like,

I think she's distracting herself from the real issue at hand is I have to tell Rula at some point that he, there's another video circulating. And he goes to the bathroom for a work call. I don't know if it was a work call or not. All speculation, obviously they showed us that to talk about maybe it is the mistress. But, well, Alicia's like, I can't do it. Never mind.

This may be the opportunity to do it. I can't do it. I can't do it. I'll let that simmer for a little bit. maybe have someone else tell her. It doesn't look like from the preview, though, that we address it for next week. But I hope we do. At some point, they're going to have to.

This is going to drag on. I don't know if Alicia is the right person to do that. And I was actually kind of hoping she wouldn't do it because it felt like Rula was already so much on edge, so uncomfortable with how things have gone. She invited people over for their house. It did seem like they were semi excited for it and that Rula wanted to put on a good dinner for them. that it would have been kind of crushing. And I think there's some wisdom in Alicia deciding,

hey, this isn't the time or the place to bring this up. I'm just going to enjoy a dinner with friends that taste good and is good. Brian's brine during it. The dude isn't helping himself. No matter what scenario, he gets himself in on this show. He's just not winning us over by any means. We need like a buffer situation. You know, like you need.

to have two good times and then a bad time. And then two good times, not just bad, bad, bad, but bad, or also rule is going to continuously being sick in bed. So I think that, yeah, great, great move on Alicia's part. Okay. Lauren. We're going to talk about it now. We're going to talk about it.

The Rosie and Kelsey situation happens. Kelsey is on the phone. Well, let's start here, actually. Kelsey shows us her new apartment during this episode. with her sister and mom coming over to help her set it up. We're seeing more and more how much of a lack of life wisdom there's been to Kelsey. But Kelsey actually does a decent job of explaining it, where she says, you know, when she was younger,

she wasn't thinking about what she won in her 30s. She still doesn't really know what she wants in her 30s, but she was given everything, a driver, a chef. To her credit, I think it would have been hard for me at 19, if I had all those things to be like, yeah, I'm not going to want these because I want to learn on my own. I think I would have done the same thing.

You're so right. Yeah, why would you say, no, thank you? Yeah, I'm good. Obviously, you know, squeeze every ounce of that out in your 20s, and now that her biological clock is ticking, obviously her mom wants her to have a child. Now is the time to learn how to put together IKEA furniture. Which is still something I struggle with.

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I know we annoyed a lot of our listeners by our severe lack of survivor knowledge. That is the point of the show. I'm just going to remind you. I have watched some Survivor I obviously haven't watched enough. Did people not like it? Like what was just because we?

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So make sure to tune in to PodMeets Twirled for all our Survivor 50 takes. Listen to PodMeets Twirled on the IHeard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. I am getting the sense. Lauren that Kelsey actually is fairly excited about this chapter. Yes, it's fresh, it's new, it's not tied to anyone.

She did mention that Billy, Billy offered to have her move in with him, and she's like, no, like let me have my own time for a little bit, which I think is great. She still has a Range Rover, I guess that she's going to try and give up because the Sugar Daddy still pays for it. Yeah, I think it'd be great for her to have like at least a year living on her own, taking care of her own shit. And obviously after housewives,

she'll be able to afford it a little bit more. Yeah, it's going to be kind of perfect timing for Kelsey. She's going to be entering into this space. Quite convenient. Yeah. And now housewives is happening. She'll have an income. Billy's still there. Billy's being Billy. The guy, I couldn't be him in this situation playing second fiddle until she was done playing around. Like, that would be hard. It's actually so bad when you say it out loud like. that it's really what it is he was just waiting is that not what it is no it's exactly what it is but like for him like to actually hear that probably it's like oh yeah I love this girl but uh just waiting for her to be kicked out by the other old man is bad and he's still going to pay for

her stuff yeah like he's still going to be the one this other guy is going to be supporting the girl that you're taking on dates and masculating I think it is yeah I said it couldn't be me maybe he like is cool I don't have to spend it a dime here Actually so true. You can look good it either way. Yeah, but I would not love this. But Billy's still around. He's loyal to a fault.

And now we get into it. Rosie and Kelsey have the interaction that we so anxiously anticipated based on the previews from previous episodes. Kelsey is going to go over to cut Rosie's hair. This is kind of a, hey, let's try again. Last time I was mad at you for not posting about it. Rosie is very clear that the expectation is to share about the haircut that she receives. Kelsey is on the phone driving up and talking about the situation and the kind of where the relationship stands. Kelsey feels like they're past a lot of things.

It's all got brought up. It's all under the rug. They can move on. And so she is going to make light of conversations they've had in the past. Rosie obviously is still very sensitive to the situation. She, I don't think, agrees that they have moved past this. I think Rosie is feeling very much like she has kind of been the punching bag for Kelsey since the beginning. Lauren, I'm going to stay quiet now.

Okay. And let you break this down from here. Obviously, you know more. You are watching with wide eyes because you know and like Rosie. I want to be clear. Yeah, yeah. again, you like Rosie. The only thing I will say before you take it away is,

I don't think I'm on Rosie's side. Okay, so this is exactly, this is exactly what I'm thinking. I heard about this fight. We've seen, we've seen clips of it. Now, I heard what Kelsey did, which was basically come up with a bullhorn

and start saying, house police, house police, I have a measuring tape. Let's see what this is. I would say maybe that was a terrible idea. Obviously it was a bad idea. I'm sure someone was in her ear saying this would be funny, but it's not funny. It's like, we should have just been like, how are you great?

Oh my God, amazing haircut. Let's start fresh. Kind of like the rule of situation. Let's just give it a beat. And then maybe we can down the line, we can have jokes with each other about square footage. Not immediately jokes about square footage. Let me pause you here. I said I wasn't saying anything.

That's all good. But Rosie has the blueprints on the table. She obviously was willing to talk about this right away anyways. I guess, yes. She was willing to talk about it. I think Rosie really just wanted to clear her name, honestly. she was like, I just want to say like, please don't lie about me. Okay.

So I hear, I hear what's going on that she comes in. Rosie seems okay about it, kind of. And then and then she comes in the kitchen. And then something switches where she's like, actually, no, screw this. I'm so tired of these jokes. I just want everyone to be nice. I want to get over this actually and not make jokes about it. and then Kelsey's like, it's funny. It's funny. It's not funny to Rosie anymore. Rosie flips. I've never

seen someone flip like this before. And then you can hear Kelsey's voice like shaking. Like, I don't know if it's shaking because she's so mad, confused, going to cry. But it was obviously shocking to Kelsey. I think, I think Rosie took it too far. I really think she took too far. It was really bad. Pushing her out of the house, taking her kit and like almost throwing it down the stairs. Kelsey couldn't even get a word in. I don't even know what she would say in defense. She's just saying, you're no, Rosie's like, you're no one, you're no one. You're a slam pig. Everyone knows you have sex with married men. What does a slam pig mean? I think it's just, honestly, I think it's just someone who's unattractive without sex with men, but I'm like, obviously, that's not, she's not a slam pig,

because she's gorgeous. I'm pretty sure that's what it is. She takes it too far. It doesn't look good for Rosie. I thought that it was going to be more warranted. I thought that Kelsey was going to say more evil things to her unless they cut it out to make Rosie look extra crazy. I'll have to ask Ashley if there was something else that we're missing here because I don't think just the bullhorn could have done it like that. You agree, obviously. I mean, that was my take.

I knew leading up to this that there was a fight. I didn't know what it was over. Was it in bad taste what Kelsey did? Yes, I do. I don't think it's the funniest joke. I don't really know. I don't see, you know, if I was in a fight with a human and I pulled up to the house to confront that fight and try to free myself from the fight, I would not pull up yelling it. I might say it right away to get the elephant out of the room like, hey, it's good that we can actually meet.

And I see that there's 5,000 square feet being built over there. Like that might be the way to do it. Yes. I think it was in bad taste. I don't think it was meant to cause, I don't think Kelsey in the back of her mind was doing it intentionally to, like piss off Rosie. I don't. And that's where it gets really hard for me. Oh yeah. And then

I guess the final straw was that Rosie was like everyone knows that your sugar daddy paid for you to win Miss Rhode Island. That really made Kelsey mad. Burn. Like just twisting the knife. And she's like, I did that all on my own. I did it all on my own. But then I think I remember Kelsey

at the beginning of the season saying something like I really didn't get into pageantry until I was with this mystery man. So, like, ugh, maybe that is true. Out of all the things, Lauren,

that are said during this. Yeah. All of the things. As Kelsey's leaving, the one thing that she wants to clarify is that she actually won the pageant. Yeah, I know.

It's like, okay, yeah, I do hook out with Mary Man. I do that, but I won that pageant, okay. Yeah, fair and square. Because we have seen that

Tierra a million times in the past 10 episodes. So we know it's very important to her. And then there is a moment where I guess Kelsey pushes her a little bit hands on. And the producer's like, no touching. This whole thing is going to be cut. This whole situation. We're going to have to cut filming. I know that was a big issue.

They had a big production call after that because no touchy. No touchy. Yeah. It felt like it could get physical. It did get physical-ish. I think it would have gone further because Kelsey came back into convince Rosie of the pageant

and that she did win the pageant Fair and Square and Rosie is very upset. The reason I said I am not on Rosie's side on this is because I do think the joke was made in bad taste. It wasn't a funny joke. It wasn't going to work out well. But I do think the intention was to get the elephant out of the room right away.

I'm giving Kelsey the benefit of the doubt by saying she meant to just bring it up, squash it, get over it, move on. It didn't work that way. And I think Rosie is very sensitive because Rosie has been the punching bag for so many of the slanderous and joking like things throughout the season. So she's over jokes. No more jokes for me. I just want to move forward and try to make this whole thing work.

I don't think that through this season I've ever. been on Kelsey's side. I think Kelsey has continually been a bully, has been a hypocrite when it comes to her claiming different things against others when she's doing the same thing herself.

But Rosie was so sensitive that I did feel like it was an overreaction. I would be curious to hear from Rosie on would she take it back? Would she do it differently? I would love to hear that. I would assume yes.

It's amazing that me, like, not a Kelsey fan in the slightest felt bad for Kelsey at the end of that fight. Because hearing someone's, like, voice shake and be, seemed very uncomfortable and startled is, like, really sad for me. You can tell, like, she didn't really know what to say. And she was like, I can't be able to push out of this girl's house. I don't really know what I did. So on that note, Rosie, I'm sorry. It didn't look good for you. but I wish we could get her on here and just ask her real quick.

I agree. Maybe we can just get a statement. Can we get a statement? Yeah, can we send some of our sources out to Ask Rosie? Would you do it differently and get that statement to read on air? Actually, I think we might be able to. We should give it a shot, Lauren. Why not?

We've been talking about them every week. Might as well have them talk to us. Overall, Lauren, this is a good episode. Action-packed. It's still building to something, right? we still have storylines that are not, we really don't have a storyline that was started this season that's been concluded yet.

We still have the Rule of Brian scenario sitting out there. The Joelle and her mom scenario does feel better than it was before. We'll see where that goes. Kelsey and Rosie really don't like each other. Final comment. Liz is cracking me up with her menopause comment. That her feet are, So fat.

Yeah. What she called them? Like what? Sausages or something. But it is so weird to see her feet bloated when she's the skinniest, like, most mussely woman on top. A bag of dicks. Yeah. So sausages.

A bag of sausages. I don't even know what that means. But it's awesome. It's so good. Yeah. Hey, a great episode. Lauren, next week we see the rundown. Kelsey shows up to meet the woman wearing a sash that says,

Miss Slam Pig. Yeah. It obviously is a very uncomfortable moment for Ashley, who we get to see says, can we just not all get along? And Alicia and Liz get into a fight with Joellen caught in the middle. The ladies are fighting. The drama is continuing. Is love going to continue for Brian Arula or is more information to come?

We're going to see how the video is shown. to Rula. Lauren? Yes, sir. You got a big day. Thanks for taking the time to jump on with us. It's always a pleasure

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