The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Too Much Drama

Episode Date: October 23, 2019

Ben and Ashley are reunited after Ben’s Honduras trip, and there’s a TON of Bachelor Nation news to get caught up on. We try to figure out the feud between Rachel and Raven and we break down how Colton got involved!Mike Johnson and Demi Lovato are no more... and is the Almost Famous podcast to blame?? And we talk about Vienna’s heartbreaking story behind her plastic surgery.  Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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forever since you've been in a studio together. I guess it's been since the IHeart Festival. Yeah, it has. How was your trip to Honduras? Yeah. So one of the reasons that we were gone, that we were apart was because I was in Honduras and then you had done some traveling with Jared kind of post-wedding. And so there has been a lot going on. I got back last week from Honduras and it was awesome um it was a really incredible trip uh the first week that i was down there i led a trip of 30 people with humanitarian hope united and jessica my girlfriend and her mom were able to come and that was her mom's first trip jessica's second and my parents were there as well and so uh we went down there and i promised the group that i give a shout out in the almost

famous podcast because i bet i'm not kidding this uh 80% of the people that went on that trip are almost famous fans i know chelly you know chely yeah so One of our mutual friends that used to work on the show, one of her co-workers, was down there with us named Chelly. And then there was just, I mean, literally, everybody there was an almost famous fan. And everybody was super cool about it. They would randomly kind of come up and be like, hey, I'm a fan. Is that weird? I'd be like, that's amazing.

Yeah, of course that. And they would say they heard about Humanian Hope United through the podcast, which kind of reinforced, like, that this is a good thing, too, because it's bringing people to a whole new area of the world. And then I stayed down there for a week, went to Rootan, Honduras, which is one of the craziest place. It's amazing. It's beautiful. It's a Caribbean island right off the coast. It's kind of untouched. My parents and I went and did that.

And then I came back and we had a board trip. So I was down there for almost a whole month. Ashley, I've got to tell you this. And this is going to sound like an ad and it's not. Okay. What? Did you know? Okay.

This could be me being crazy. Okay. But I need to talk to our listeners and you about something adulting. I really have worked hard to be a decent adult. Like at a young age, I was trying to prep myself. to be a decent adult. I found out something recently on my trip to Honduras. That's really crazy.

First off, so I bring, and Easton will love this, I bring my Capital One Venture card with me to Honduras. It does sound like an ad. You can pay for things when you're in Honduras. It's easier, you know, it does all that stuff for you. But when I get that, I come back home, right? And I'm getting ready to travel again. I'm actually, we're in L.A. right now.

And I find out that the points, this is, this really does sound like an ad. But it's not. The points that you can use on a credit card, it's an incredible process. Like, I don't know if you've had this experience yet. And if you haven't, I recommend you do it. But all of a sudden, for Easton's holding up his capital one card now, all of a sudden, I got a capital one too.

You hold, like, all of a sudden, you get onto your, like, app and you swipe. And then all of these, like, new gifts come to you for years and years of purchasing things. And you had no idea they were there. I didn't have any idea they were there. I had to have a friend walk through this with me on the plane. but if you haven't had this yet go find out how you can redeem your points you're going to have to show me on the app because i have the app it really does not an ad once again it's the most organic ad ever if we if it was uh okay i will watch out for that i do have these special

amazon points that i get from my american express card so that means like every month my amazon account gets like a hundred dollars filled in so every basically i never pay for anything on amazon because i always use my hundred dollars so it's like i spend a hundred dollars a month on amazon this is one of the like is it was me actually or listeners go and redeem your credit card points but this is like one of the coolest things about being an adult like when you get on there and you have a hundred dollars free for amazon when i get on there and all of a sudden i have like free hotel stays because of my time it like brings a lot of joy yeah it's a wild thing i don't get i just i had to share because i learned this on my trips from honduras

coming home and i was sitting there and i was like i bet our almost famous fans would relate with this and i thought we could talk it out as adults to say is this does this bring you as much joy as it brings me yeah you know you speaking about adulthood and like the greatest parts of adulthood i could like get really deep right now for a minute if you want to talk about like being an adult and like whether it's more fun being a kid or whether it's more fun being adult and the nostalgia of it all nostalgia is like a really big part of my life like i love nostalgia so much and things that you know just um like zoom it to my face does that make any sense you guys when i get over flooded with nostalgia i love it

But also sometimes you're like, do I want to go back to that? Or do I look so fondly back at it because like I went through it and it was great. But if I was experiencing it now, it wouldn't be as great. I'm saying this because I went to Jonas Brother concerts this weekend. Yeah. And when you're there, you get like, I get wave with nostalgia and just memories, these amazing memories that I had. And a lot of the times like we'd be thinking like, oh, this isn't going well.

like this guy doesn't like me you know back in like when i was 19 or 20 but there's something fun about like the beautiful pain does that sound weird the beautiful pain of what you have to clarify here of well i'm talking about like heartbreak right now specifically or like trying you is it for you heartbreak yeah like just in general do you feel like fun there's a line in a jonas song and it really just says it better than i could say it it's um the days that we thought were the worst and seemed to glow now the days that were the worst seemed to glow now you ever look back on like your early adolescence your 20s your early 20s and you're like oh man I thought that was a really shitty day but now when I look back on it it was

like kind of great I really do okay you get it and my like this is very weird like phenomenon here's my theory and so each one of these like things like through life so um Let's pause here for a second. Take a break. We'll come back. I want to continue this conversation. But after the break, Ashley and I'm going to break down some things about adulting.

And then later on the podcast, we're going to have some amazing topics to talk about. We have hot news with John Paul Jones moving to L.A. We have Taylor Nolan single again. Vanessa Grimaldi is just saying that Nick Vile was not supposed to propose. And Colton and Rachel Drama and much, much more. Let's take a break. Come back.

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I take dictation. I didn't even know you've been a pastor for over 10 years. I think culture is any space that you live in that develops you. On a recent episode of Culture Raises Us podcast, I sat down with Warren Campbell, Grammy-winning producer, pastor, and music executive to talk about the beats, the business, and the legacy behind some of the biggest names in gospel, R&B, and hip-hop. This is like watching Michael Jackson talk about Thurley before it happened. Was there a particular moment where you realized just how instrumental music culture was

to shaping all of our global ecosystem? I was eight years old, and the Motown-25 special came on. and all the great Motown artists, Marvin, Stevie Wonder, Temptations, Diana Raw. From Mary Mary to Jennifer Hudson, we get into the soul of the music and the purpose that drives it. Listen to Culture raises us on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, I'm Kurt Brown-Oller. And I am Scotty Landis, and we host Bananas, the Weird News Podcasts with wonderful guests like Whitney Cummings. And tackle the truly tough questions.

Why is cool mom an insult, but mom is fine? No. I always say, Kurt's a fun dad. Fun dad and cool mom. That's cool for me. We also dig into important life stuff. Like, why our last names would make the worst hyphen ever. My last name is Cummings.

I have sympathy for nobody. Yeah, mine's brown-olar, but with an H. So it looks like brown-holer. Okay, that's, okay, yours might be worse. We can never get married. Yeah. Listen to this episode with Whitney Cummings and check out new episodes of bananas every Tuesday on the exactly right network listen

to bananas on the iHeart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts after the break we're talking about adulting we talked from everything about redeeming your credit card points to ashley kind of the nostalgia of looking back on past memories and We want to hear from you listeners, email us at Ben and Ashley, IHeartMedia.com, or tweet us and hashtag the Almost Famist podcast. Nostalgia is definitely a real thing. It's happening more and more in my life over the last year. I turned 30 and I turned 30 thinking it was going to feel super old. It doesn't. It feels actually really great. But it's forcing me to reflect on where my life's at, where my family and friends are at, and then all the memories that I've made to this point. And here's my quick theory, and there's a lot to this. We look back on good and bad times with almost a smile on our face. Some of them is super traumatizing, and I know we don't, but you can heal from those things.

But they've made you the person they are today. And I think for the people getting into their 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, when you're in a healthy place, you're really proud of the person that you are today because you've been through some stuff. And I think looking back on that stuff and seeing how you became victorious through it and not the victim through it actually brings a authentic joy to yourself. Yeah, like there are days back in, like, grad school or before then. And I think when I was experiencing them, I was like, well, this is just a day. It's actually probably not the greatest day.

But now I'll look back on those days and I'll be like, no, that time was so great. That time was so much fun. It's just weird. And you think back, you're like, would I want to go back there? If you're looking at that memory so fondly, would you want to? want to go back and be in that spot right now and no but I do just like love it deep diving into memories yeah so what pictures came from Easton's totally nodding along here I kind of want to know why do you think we get family videos and pictures are so popular check this out um I dig into

memories I didn't even have originally so one of my favorite things to do is watch uh videos of commercials from the 50s and say like I know them better than I know commercials from now and like I did not grow up with those commercials. I just, like, they have this, like, energy in them just because they're from the past. And, like, my dad showed them to me when I was a kid, so there's a connection there. But, like, I don't know, it's so much fun to go back and re-exploy these things with a new lens, I think. Anyway, you're right. So let's get personal for one second for me.

And then let's move on to the hottest topics in Bachelor Nation right now. But I want to take this time. I always love the off season because we were able to actually talk about ourselves for a little bit and try to relate with the listeners and have them respond to us. So please write in, message us. We want to hear from you. You know one thing that's been really sad for me, and I want to know if I'm alone in this,

is I've gotten older and had more and more years of life, still young, year out of my 20s, I've become more and more numb to new experiences. Yes, same. I'm not as interested. Exactly. Well, and also, like for you, your first Jonas Brothers concert is something you remember

and you cried and whatever you did during that. it was it was a moment that overtook you to where you couldn't just be your normal self like it overtook you i don't have those experiences very often anymore there's very few experiences that i have that that caused me to radically react and be something like to celebrate like without control or to laugh and to sing without control or to be sad without control as i've gotten older i've gotten more and more kind of moderate cognizant to when you're experiencing something like you're a little bit more in your head is that yeah and you can predict what's going to happen and you so anyways i think as we've gotten older actually for me it's been happening more

and more i was even in honduras and honduras was the place that broke my heart and changed my world forever it's caused me to to totally redefine what i want to be and who i want to be and who i want to be to others and on this trip i was telling my buddies i actually started bawling in a hotel room um with a bunch of grown men because i said for the first time on a trip and i've gone down for 15 years, I'm numb to some of these stories. Like, I met with a young woman whose house fell in on her kids and whose father died the week after he built him a new house that was made of mud and he was so proud of it. And her husband left her and ran back and disappeared and took her son to the States.

And she's 22 years old. And I'm sitting there hearing the story. And I was almost numb to it because I've heard so many stories similar to that. And it hurts me. I don't want to become numb. to those stories, and so I'm working on that now. But yeah, as we've gotten older, I've gotten more and more numb to those new emotions.

And I got one more thing to say before you move on. This is like a little bit of a transition from all those horrible, horrible. That was my word for horrific and horrible. That's, I think it's fantastic. Stories is that do you feel like that since you're in a relationship now that you like seek comforts? So I think like everybody like gains like relationship weight and then like maybe they're like a little bit more little, little less. less outgoing because like you just kind of want to like be together and be cozy and yeah so you just do like do less and you just like kind of crave being cozy yeah the contentment piece of it's nice right now because I know one day that won't always be the case why do you think that what do you mean it won't always be the case kids shake life up a bit um parents aging shakes life up a bit like biggest everyday fear yeah so like that stuff shakes life up a bit where you it's uncontrollable and so the little things the little things that are hurting you today, I think we'll build a resilience and a character inside of you now to help you

face those things later. They will never be easy, but I think you'll have the tools and the skills. It's actually a beautiful thing, how life brings you these pains, some big, some small along the way of life to help build up to where you are now and to help build up to the things that are going to be ultra-traumatic later. On that note, um, here's the traumas and bachelor nation. Yeah, here's what we want to talk. I want to hear from you all. Ashley, hear from you are please email us please message us as you get older and as new experiences come in have your feelings towards them changed and what do you think of when you look back on these memories and nostalgia sets in speaking of nostalgia hey uh let's make a new memory together

ashley we're going to be in san francisco january 11th for the bachelor god he's so good guys that was that was something else huh all right so we're doing the almost live tour Ashley and I are heading to San Francisco with special guest Derek Path is what he told us how to say his name right yeah it's Derek Pate now not Peth it's going to be an amazing evening it's going to be a blast we're going to get weird we're going to talk about some wild stuff we're going to have a ton of time with you all we want to meet you all we want to thank you all for the time that you spent listening to the almost famous podcast So we're flying all the way.

I mean, that's a big trip for us to San Francisco to spend the evening with you. We'll have a blast VIP packages available. Ticketmaster.com for tickets. We'll see you January 11th in San Francisco. Ashley, the hottest news right now in Bachelor Nation is before us. But before we get there, let's take a quick break. We'll get back to you with some crazy stuff. Hi, my name is Enya Yumanzoor.

I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom. If you're a crime junkie and you love crimes, we're not the podcast for you. But if you have unmedicated ADHD... Oh my God, perfect. And want to hear people with mental illness, psychobabble. Yes, yes. Then Emergency Intercom is the podcast for you.

Open your free IHeartRadio app. Search Emergency Intercom and listen now. Have you ever wished for a change but weren't sure? how to make it. Maybe you felt stuck in a job, a place, or even a relationship. I'm Emily Tish Sussman, and on she pivots, I dive into the inspiring pivots of women who have taken big leaps in their lives and careers. I'm Gretchen Whitmer, Jody Sweetie. Annika Patton. Elaine Welteroff. I'm Jessica Voss. And that's when I was like, I got to go. I don't know how, but that kicked off the pivot of how to make the transition. Learn how to get comfortable pivoting because your life

is going to be full of them. Every episode gets real about the why behind these changes and gives you the inspiration and maybe the push to make your next pivot. Listen to these women and more on She Pivots, now on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. The U.S. Open is here. And on my podcast, Good Game with Sarah Spain, I'm breaking down the players from rising stars to legends chasing history. The predictions will we see a first time winner and the pressure. Billy Jean King says pressure is a privilege, you know. Plus, the stories and events off the and, of course, the honey deuses, the signature cocktail of the U.S. Open. The U.S. Open has gotten to be a very fancy, wonderfully experiential sporting event.

I mean, listen, the whole aim is to be accessible and inclusive for all tennis fans, whether you play tennis or not. Tennis is full of compelling stories of late. Have you heard about Icon Venus Williams' recent wildcard bids or the young Canadian Victoria Mboko making a name for herself? How about Naomi Osaka getting back to form? To hear this and more, listen to Good Game with Sarah Spain, an Iheart women's sports production in partnership with deep blue sports and entertainment

on the IHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Presented by Capital One, founding partner of IHeart Women's Sports. I don't write songs. God write songs. I take dictation. I didn't even know you've been a pastor for over 10 years. I think culture is any space that you live in that develops you. On a recent episode of Culture Raises Us podcast, I sat down with Warren Campbell, Grammy-winning producer, pastor, and music executive to talk about the beats, the business,

and the legacy behind some of the biggest names in gospel, R&B, and hip-hop. This is like watching Michael Jackson talk about Thurley before it happened. Was there a particular moment where you realize just how instrumental music culture was to shaping all of our global ecosystem? I was eight years old, and the Motown 25 special came on. And all the great Motown artists, Marvin, Stevie Wonder, Temptations, Dian. involved. From Mary Mary to Jennifer Hudson, we get into the soul of the music and the purpose that drives it. Listen to Culture raises us on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get

your podcasts. Hi, I'm Kurt Browneuler. And I am Scotty Landis, and we host Bananas, the weird news podcasts with wonderful guests like Whitney Cummings. And tackle the truly tough questions. Why is cool mom an insult, but mom is fine? No. I always say, Kurt's a fun dad. Dad and cool mom. That's cool for me. We also dig into important life stuff. Like, why our last names would make the worst hyphen ever? My last name is Cummings.

I have sympathy for nobody. Yeah, mine's brown-olar, but with an H. So it looks like brown-holler. Okay, that's, okay, yours might be worse. We can never get married. Yeah. Listen to this episode with Whitney Cummings and check out new episodes of bananas every Tuesday on the exactly right network.

Listen to bananas on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So Colton and Rachel Lindsay. It feels to me like a setup, but Ashley, for our listeners that don't quite know, there is a massive feud going on. It feels like it's bubbled up for a long time

between Colton and Rachel Lindsay. And then I want to share my theory on why this is happening. Okay. So quick synonym. A couple weeks ago on Andy Cohen's Watch What Happens Live. Rachel went on and she said that there was a riff between she and Raven that could never be mended and then Colton saw this news post on like Us Weekly or E or something like that on Instagram and he wrote underneath it in the comment section, does Rachel

like anyone? He also went further and said one time, Rachel spoke poorly of me to Cassie. And that was one of that was that's his reasoning for not liking her. And then Rachel got on Twitter and said that she'd be happy to have Colton on her podcast to address these issues. Of course you would. So would we. I know.

I know. So let's see. Like I do think that Colton's going to go on her podcast? I don't understand. And then he responded. This is really juicy. He responded by saying, I'll come. on your podcast if it's completely not produced and edited well two thoughts here i say they should do it

live so we have proof that it's not edited um rachel better be very thankful for colton right now because that podcast will be really highly listened to yes and if if one of them doesn't want to do it on that podcast we're always here for them we're really good at moderating yeah we really enjoy sitting in those moments um my second thought is maybe it's the critic in me i don't know really what side to fall in i don't fully understand the whole scenario i know there've been back and forth and i know there's arguments i know there's he said she said here i have a theory and i tweeted it that colton underwood will be the host with rachel lindsay very soon because they've had feuds in the past they have been legitimately upset with each other they're not

faking it but is this the first time colton showed irritation towards rachel publicly i can't say that for certain i don't i don't know i didn't even know this was happening until one night we we have that text thread that like updates us on stuff happening in bachelor nation i see it i said i don't know what's going on here but it's something and it's something pretty big it's two leads going at each other but ashley i would put money that this could be that's a terrible bet could be set up for Colton to co-host this podcast in the future with Rachel and this is a way to get some traction around it. So Ali Fatowski is no longer co-hosting that podcast with Rachel. Is that official? Yes. Okay. I didn't know. I haven't seen. I do believe that it was announced that

she's no longer going to be there because she has a lot of other things going on. She's a busy person. She's on Home and Family Network and all that stuff. Yeah. Mom. So I'm just wondering, Are we allowed to say who runs that podcast? Well, it's definitely. It's a Warner Brother podcast. It's a Warner Brother podcast, you guys. It's completely run by basically the Bachelor producers themselves. And again, this is coming up a place of, I have no clue.

This is my theory that this would be a, I think they, I don't think Colton and Rachel have gotten along very well. I think this is real. But I also think there is a bigger story maybe being played out here that Rachel and Colton might not even realize they're participating. it. So how beautiful is this, right? Yeah. That podcast, the people looking over are going, okay, they're obviously combative. They're both leads. We're going to get them in the same room. And you and I both know this. It's a lot easier to forgive somebody once you're in the same room as them than it is through social media. So then the hope is that they're probably going to forgive each other. They're going to work out their differences. And I bet there's this hope maybe

that it works out so well. They said, well, how about you guys just host this together from here? on. But this hope didn't come about until they started seeing this interaction. 100%. Right. Okay. That's what I'm, that's my theory. I have no, nothing to back this with. Okay. This is Ben's theory, guys. Um, my theory is that it's going to be hard to get Colton to go on that podcast because what's his incentive? Good point. Why? Yeah, it's not like they're going to pay him. No, why, why would he do this, actually? Let's talk through that. I don't think that there's, makes any sense to, unless he really wants to air, like, unless he has specific reasoning.

and a real story that he can kind of back up with multiple people like Cassie who are willing to come on and like say this is what Rachel said and this is why he was so hurt by her. I feel like it's going to have to have a moderator because if not it's just going to be a back and forth on you said this. You said this. I thought you said this. I've heard you said this. They need to have a moderator there. This is in our podcast to produce those. So they do what they want. We'll talk about it though. So you can listen to us afterwards. Rachel definitely has good debating skills She can confront someone She's a lawyer I don't see why Colton would do it Doesn't make any sense to me why he would But it's all circular

This kind of popped up First off Andy Cohen continues just to be a legend I don't know how that guy continues to get this stuff out But every time his name is attached to something And it has been for years So good on you Andy The Raven Rachel feud

Do we have any idea of where this comes from Wait, isn't this bizarre that it's now become the Rachel and Colton feud and that Raven hasn't made an appearance in this fight at all? Smart on Ravens part. She's been a passive object. I mean, I would like to say we should have her on, but I'm almost 100% sure she won't reveal what went on. No, I mean, she's moving on. She hasn't commented either way. We don't really know what happened, right?

We have no idea where this feud comes from. We just know that they don't get along anymore. Yeah. And so Raven is just kind of letting this play out. Why would Raven come on and talk about something to bring back up in Air Dirty Laundry that now has been passed on to Colton? It's a wild scenario. She got out of it, you know? She got out of it. We should be watching it. We'll continue talking about it. What we know now, though, is that Colton has said he is going to come on the podcast within the next two weeks.

Oh, really? I just got a message. Oh, damn. So next topic. Tyler Cameron talks about dating Hannah Brown again after splitting from Gigi. What do we mean talks about dating her again? Like there's a possibility he'd go out with her again? Yeah, he's reminiscing on what they did have.

So he's talking about nostalgia. Nistalgia. Tyler's got some nostalgia. Obviously getting the questions of would you ever again? Those kind of things. Well, I don't think Hannah would entertain it. I mean, Hannah's blown up right now. Yeah.

She is riding this Dance With the Stars wave. What is she placed right now? What week are we in? Like how are we eliminated at least half? Oh, she's pretty far along. Can we get an update from the room on where Hannah Brown is at and Dance with the Stars? So she is at the peak. I mean, she's a fan favorite.

She's received the most points multiple weeks now. Her dancing skills are incredible. Now, when it comes to Tyler, he's obviously going to get questions about Hannah. Like that just is going to happen. He's going to get questions about Gigi for the rest of his life And Hannah for the rest of his life That poor guy will never get rid of it But my main question for him

That I would want to ask is does he regret Not pursuing things further with Hannah now And moving on to Gigi Because if you remember right, that week Was a big week for him back in the And I really think he thought he could teeter totter between them I don't think he would have gone out with Hannah If he knew he was already talking to Gigi

and wanted to fully pursue that. I think he thought that he was going to be able to date around. It's like, no, now that you're a public figure and especially involved with two other public figures, you can't do that. In the Bachelor world, it's not easy to date because it is a hot topic. You've gone on a show that's celebrated and loved over dating.

So people have a vested interest in who you're dating and why you're dating them. so for Tyler i think that's just one of those like not mistakes who knows how he looks at it this is one of those decisions he made back in the day not knowing the repercussions of that everybody would know who he's dating yeah very soon um so we we have word hannah is in the top eight of dance with the stars which is a huge accomplishment i mean i think bachelor people typically make it to like top six so she has a few more weeks left to really kind of push the envelope i have a feeling that hannah will be uh the the the first bachelor contestant to well we actually have had one win it yeah rightcroft yeah rightcroft i bet

she i bet hannah has a shout at winning this year i bet you she's top three at least um let's go back to what tyler said about the future between he and hannah he has definitely got a great PR person but i will say even when he's on our podcast he's able to speak um very he's he words his stuff very well his quote is we're friends and i think she's an incredible girl and i have so much love for her and i want her to be successful and have the best i don't know about the future i'm just trying to worry about today and tomorrow you know he gives us nothing yeah he gives us nothing smart you i mean good for him i mean i think i think that tyler is going to get a lot of attention over him here in the next few weeks, months,

as he does continue to date. And Tyler has, you know, blown up because of his relationship with Gigi and Hannah afterwards. It will be interesting to see how he navigates it. But I mean, from his time here on the podcast, and actually, I know you feel the same way. We're hoping that Tyler does really well in everything he wants after this. But we would love to have some clarity on, we would love it on this podcast,

have some clarity on who he's dating and why he's dating him. But I don't know if we're going to get it. But speaking of dating, Mike Johnson, who came on the in-depth podcast a few weeks ago and started talking about Demi Lovato, it has came out now that him and Demi are a little longer dating. Mike has gotten a lot of attention recently for his time on Sarah, Strayhan and Kiki. Because he asked Kiki out. Here's my question to you to start this thing. A lot of opinions being thrown around is was it inappropriate for Mike to ask Kiki out within her workplace? So Mike is saying that he didn't mean this is all misconstrued and that he wasn't meaning to give, wasn't asking her out.

He was giving her a hypothetical. So I have to be honest, I haven't watched the interview, but apparently he says something along the lines of Kiki, if I were to ask you out, would you? And like, then he was going to create a situation. But then I think Michael got really excited and Sarah. start bipping and gossiping and all the sudden it turns into way to say you're about to you're about to ask how kiki on tv and it was all misconstrued so it got way it got out of hand really quick yeah and there was no like controlling it or navigating it at that point it was just a whole new ballgame and everybody was in a whole new world and mike was saying hey i was just throwing a hypothetical

you know here's the other thing is mike is not a professional interviewer oh so i was just going to say what I found very interesting reading up on this drama was that somebody who is in PR says that you should never in a live TV interview give a hypothetical situation because people can cut you off and they can sew off and like yeah yeah yeah I mean you start responding you're getting comfortable in these interviews you say something that you think's going to come off is funny and all of a sudden it's not and then there's no like pulling it back and so I get that those things happen. I can't even call it necessarily a mistake unless he, and this is where the only time I'd say it would have been a mistake is if he didn't mean it at all. Like if he wasn't

at all interested in even thinking about asking Kiki out, then it's not a fair question. But if he was a little bit, then hey, like you did it. It maybe came off weird. It shouldn't have been said the way it was. The whole thing was put in a weird situation. We all mess up, move on. But I haven't heard to this point if he wanted to go on a date with Kiki or not. But the thing is, is this Holdies up to this point with Mike is on our podcast he talked pretty openly about his relationship with Demi Lovato and now Demi Lovato and Mike are no longer dating and there was articles that come out that said hey he said these things on almost famous podcast Demi got upset over it you know they're not necessarily blaming our podcast but they're saying it was set on there I wonder Ashley do you feel like this podcast broke Demi and Mike up he would have ended up saying it somewhere else fair In another interview, he would have been as revealing. And we should also mention it was the whole Good Morning America, three, as I call it, became such a big deal that actually on the following day's episode,

Michael and Sarah asked Kiki if she was going to accept Mike's date request. And she had to be like, no, I'm not. I'm trying not to date people so publicly. Yeah. So, I mean, Mike isn't somebody, I think he said on our podcast that is, that holds his words inside of him. He's very vocal. He processes things through his language and through talking to people.

And so I do think he would have said something about his relationship with Demi. He was going to be asked about it all the time somewhere else. And he didn't say anything too crazy. He said, you know, she's a good kisser. And so he admitted that they had kissed at some point. And if she didn't like that, then that was on them and where their relationship stood. And, you know, I get that that might have hurt her because she felt, like he was oversharing.

But Demi and Mike are no longer together. And so now we have Tyler, who was getting a lot of press because of who he was dating. And Mike, who was getting a lot of press because he was who he was dating, no longer dating these people. And I'm wondering what's next for these guys? Because there's been a ton of, I mean, I never received this attention after my time on The Bachelorette for dating. They have gotten a lot of attention for dating. Is this the new norm for Bachelor contestants or is this just because of the, them dating celebrities.

I do think that because on The Bachelor, you become a public figure so fast and it's so fun and it's so centered about your love life that you get, you feel like it's normal to like discuss it so much. But if you do jump into a relationship with another high profile person, especially in this case, way higher profile than The Bachelor, I think because they slowly become famous and because they keep their personal life for the most part as private as they can, I think that if Bachelor contestants are going to continue to date celebrities, they're going to have to, like, get more on their level.

I mean, of course Tyler was pretty darn private about the Gigi thing, but. Yeah, he was. Yeah. He was. I think it's going to be a whole new thing to navigate. I mean, I know Bachelor contestants have dated celebrities in the past, but there is a respect, I think, to that that we all have to realize is when you date somebody in the public eye, you have to

respect that they're in the public eye. And you have to be cautious of how much you share. And I think that's just a good lesson for anybody in the bachelor world that when they're coming off the show to know that that is going to be something that happens to everybody. You're going to meet people that you grew up loving. You're going to have the opportunity to talk to them, maybe make a romantic connection with them, maybe a friendship connection. And you have to keep, you have to understand that by saying yes to the bachelor, bachelor, you are throwing yourself in a whole new world that could spit you out on the other side

with the public eye viewing you, um, at a close level for every move you make. You're becoming, you're coming into a microscope. And that's where comments like this kind of shake me. And I'm moving into a story. Like what?

I'm, we're moving into a story now with from Vanessa Grimaldi who was engaged to Nick Viola at one point after Nick's season. And she comes, recently and says she didn't want to get engaged to Nick on this Bachelor season 21 and I'm saying this because I think this was almost, it walks

right up in the line of an overshare mostly because it feels like something that didn't need to be said now. Yeah, why is she bringing that up now? And also then the second question that is is she saying it because some of the stuff that was written about in the Us magazine

article pretty much says that Nick kind of like sold her on the idea of getting engaged. He said, hey, it's... In the fantasy suite? Yeah, he said some, yes, he said something along the lines of, it's going to show a legitimacy to our relationship if we get engaged, that the scrutiny from us getting engaged will be a lot less than if we just come out of this

boyfriend and girlfriend. And so I think we should get engaged. There's also a comment made in the article that says that Vanessa believes that they would have been broken up a lot quicker if they weren't engaged. So with all this being known and all this being said and all this now being out in the open, which I do feel like I shouldn't even know half of this stuff, was it right when you get on the bachelor

Ashley or the bachelorette and you're in the final few there do you think it is right to get engaged if you aren't for certain similar to how Cassie and Colton walked off the show or should you just go off the show boyfriend girlfriend I know there's a lot of pressure because if you don't become engaged at the end of it

it just is not as exciting for the audience like just we have a show and at the end of it somebody becomes boyfriend and girlfriend if it becomes too much of a trend too much of the norm I can see the show not being as exciting so I understand the reasoning

to get engaged from the excitement factor but I think that like if I were there at the end of the two months together I would probably prefer not to get engaged really that's surprising from you Ashley that you'd prefer

not to get engaged is that a recent i think no i think it's because like jared and i had four years together before we got married and i can't imagine getting engaged and then breaking it off but now i'm talking to you who's done that so would you want that choice to become boyfriend and girlfriend and not propose you you wanted to propose that's a great question um it's interesting jessica and i were talking about this as we can we're together we were talking a lot about like kind of you know what the bachelor has brought me and if you know and how it's affected my life with her even and how beautiful of a thing the bachelor has been for me because it really has allowed me new opportunities like sitting down and talking to you and um being able to meet a

whole new spectrum of people and making a career out of coffee now when that would have never been the case without the bachelor like I believe that and I know that and I don't think Jessica I don't think I find Jessica and I don't think she responds to my Instagram message unless uh i she would know going into it that i wasn't going to be a total creepster you know like there was there's a lot that the bachelor has brought me that is been has been good and so she was asking me and we had a pretty honest conversation about for the really first time about like what has this whole thing been and do i regret any of it and do i look back on any of it and say i wish i would have done it different and i don't i mean i met some incredible women on my time during

the bachelor and now i know jessica and i know that she is somebody that i love dearly and that is just an incredible partner to me. But I think I appreciate Jessica now because of my time on The Bachelor and because I truly believe that I was walking off of that show with somebody I was going to spend my life with. And I think seeing just how, honestly, Lauren and I failed and how it didn't navigate in the correct direction and how we didn't communicate well

and how hard it was to make a relationship out of it, even though I believed it was the right thing, I think now looking at my relationship with Jessica and seeing how good it is helps me, now be so confident in what that is but you just benfied me you just became a politician on me because i asked if you would have rather just left had the less pressure to just leave as as boyfriend and girlfriend oh i definitely no yeah i didn't mean not to answer that okay um because i know that you're thankful for your bachelor process and i am so thankful for my bachelor process even though i think it

worked better for me in like the long run as it worked for you like everything happened for a reason I think it would have been a lot easier to walk off of it, boyfriend, girlfriend. I think that it... You fight more for it. You fight more for it. I think there is a legitimacy to getting down and saying this whole thing has brought me to you and I'm making that commitment to you because I believe in who you are as a person and I want to try to make this work.

Now, it doesn't always work and that's okay. And I do think that for you've seen it for four years now that you've been dating, that you were dating Jared and you know i've been in a relationship for 10 months and it feels like it's flown by like there's a whole new level of respect and value that i put on getting down on one knee um but i don't regret it but i do think it like when you look at the colton and cassies the world i honestly and i don't know if i've ever said this i'm a little bit envious that they're been able to walk off this show as boyfriend girlfriend without that pressure on them yeah like they are able to date and they just met each other on a show

and that isn't a bad thing in its sense good for them but I'm envious that that's the pressure that they've had to feel because there's a whole new pressure to when you get off the show and people start talking about weddings yeah like the the month after the show airs or the day after the show airs now it's when's the wedding how's the wedding and it's like I I literally haven't spent a day at the grocery store with this person yet so for me when I look at this whole thing there there's legitimacy to get down on one knee but there's also a simplicity and an ease at which just coming off to show boyfriend girlfriend is and i i think i don't think it's a cop out i just am envious that it's that easy and the pressure is that light on the people that do it could

you imagine though if nick on his fourth season when he finally becomes the bachelor doesn't get engaged at the end of it that would be extremely anticlimatic but here's the other part of this and i don't and i don't know how nick felt oh yeah i don't know how nick felt and yeah i don't know how nick felt And I imagine that he really meant it when he did it. But when you get down on one knee, you're making a commitment that is a powerful and heavy commitment. You are making something that was greatly going to affect the human stories of each of you for the rest of your lives. And so at some point, I hope on that last day even, even if you're making a show and you're participating in a show for the three months that the show is it or filming or whatever it is, that at least in that last moment

you're able to take the show out of it and say this is for us and no matter the criticism no matter the scrutiny no matter what's happening here this is about our relationship and how much I mean for you and even if I get

criticized for this this is how I feel and this is what I know is best and even if they're walking out of this without being engaged it's the best for both of us and I think that Nick also definitely thought

he was going to end up with Vanessa forever I think he did but I also think that that was while in the Bachelor bubble, and I just feel like once they got to know each other in real life, it probably wasn't as easy as it was for them on the show in particular. I get that. And I also want to go back to what I said before. I think that while I sit here outside, the Bachelor bubble,

I could be like, oh, I'm really glad that I had four years and I didn't get engaged after two months and blah, blah, blah. But when you're in the bubble, I absolutely would have wanted to get engaged after two months, just because it's, like, so highly romantic. And if it works, how beautiful of the story when it works. You know, it's something to celebrate. Look at R and Lauren. Hey, we have two more hot topics to talk about.

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minutes you can do the whole thing on your phone right now policy genius the easy way to compare and buy life insurance my dad actually just told me he called me right before this and he said I'm getting rid of the insurance company that we've that he's used for 26 years and he goes and now you have to pay for your own car insurance so I am officially in every single way cut off now good for you look at the way he's looking at me he's like your dad still pays for i don't want to say it it's no i Jared's dad i i know jerry pays for his own carers jared's still on the the family plan of course the phone plan so now i and i am still on my family there is something sweet actually about your dad doing that because i know seeing me you know being around him more

more at your wedding how much he loves your sister and you and like i think it's i would imagine tell me if i'm wrong that it's almost like i thank you to him for him to still be doing that because it just shows that he's still like a huge part of your life and he's probably saying now that it's like over and he sees how happy you are he's like yeah Jared you take care of this could be I mean he paid for the car you know way back 2007 is when I got my car and it's still ticking along and so the next thing before I know it I'm going to be paying for a car bill and car insurance you know Before we get into two more hot topics in Bachelor Nation, for all of you out there listening, this is one of my favorite podcasts because I do get to catch up with Ashley.

I get to hear her heart, hear who she is as a person, get to get to know kind of what's happening in her life. But there's one thing that you might not know about Ashley and I. Out of all of the I heart podcast hosts and maybe any host in the country and against popular opinion, opinion, we do make more than not. $19,000 for doing this podcast. I was going to say people are going to be like, oh, my God. She is like such a spoiled brat. She's 31 her dad pays for car insurance. Why did I just offer that information up?

Ashley, come on. It's great and it's good. And you're not the only one out there. I'm sure. There's many others. But Ashley and I, I mean, my car is a 2008 and your car is a what? 2007. So we literally together definitely have the oldest two cars.

In LA. Probably in LA. I'm not playing. Oh my gosh. I love that you have that too. I'm obsessed with my car. Her name is Idol because her original license plate said Heart Idol for American Idol. So her name, you know, it's stuck and she's 12 years old now in Accura MDX.

And I'm so attached to it. Speaking of nostalgia and Jonah's brother concerts and stuff, my best friend, Lizzie, she was like, when this car actually dies, we're going to have to strip the seats because we went to literally like 27 Jonas Brother concerts that car took us to just like up and down the east coast she's like so we have to strip the other seats and make bracelets and stuff out of it like brayed them all up because it's just those seats and that car somewhere so so different really I mean so much just we need to keep sick I think that would be really sweet I thought you're gonna say you got so excited from going to Jonas Brothers concerts you peed your pants so many times that those seats would have like yeah never mind no I mean I'm not saying I haven't peed my pants in those seats

I definitely have from laughing so hard and probably on those trips. Speaking of nostalgia. Hey, I don't know if you remember Bachelor alum Vienna from Jake Pavelka's season. They had a really memorable moment on live television with Chris Harrison kind of moderating in it. She comes out this week and shows off the results of her multiple plastic surgeries. And the quote that's used in Us magazine is she says, I'm skinny again. I'm skinny again. Yeah. So, you know, plastic surgery has been something that obviously been around for a long time.

It isn't talked about publicly too often. I feel like it's getting more and more easy to talk about it in the public for people who've gone through it. I mean, it feels like a topic. Anyways, I don't know how to expand on this, mostly to say that Vienna has came out publicly. It has increased her confidence. And now Vienna kind of comes out once again, who we haven't seen her for a while. And it used to be a name that was really popular in Bachelor Nation. We would talk about her all the time. But here in the last few years, Vienna has not been kind of on our radar. So Vienna's actually saying that the miscarriage that she had of twins back in June 2017 was one of the reasons that she went and got the plastic surgery.

She's calling an angel mommy makeover and it's helping her heal. She revealed this to our friend Lauren Zima with ET. She says she thinks about the girls every day that she lost. I mean, that is one thing that, you know, Ashley, you and I can't relate with. And it's one of those pains and things that I imagine you'd have to go through to even be able to talk to and about. But, oh, this makes so much sense. So she says that she had a mommy pooch, you know, like her tummy had a mommy pooch. And it was a constant reminder of the twins that she lost.

she said she gained 25 pounds from that that she said she gained 25 pounds over a year from being so depressed and then this was just like a wound on top of it so every time she looked at herself she got hurt and got angry it's um it's it's i really hope that vienna is healing i mean i know we both do and we all do but i really hope that this transition or this allows her heart to be calmed and I know this has got to be hard for her and I think through this whole thing is I hoped Vienna knows that she was she's she's always been beautiful yeah and um and hopefully this new kind of season or this you know with with some of the the plastic surgery now she can not erase the memories I know she doesn't want to do that and as I'm reading through the article

here but it will help her heal and move on and know that she did her best to be the best mother possible while she had those girls. Another, kind of another sad story, Taylor Nolan, who was with Derek Path after their time on Bachelor in Paradise, is single again after a relationship with the Canada man has ended. She comes out public with us magazine and talks about if she could ever reconcile things with Derek Path. Now, I feel like we need to ask Derek about this on the live show. What do you think? Oh, yeah. Totally.

But I'm pretty sure, I think that he hasn't spoken to her in a long time. I don't think it ended well. I don't think it was a beautiful ending to their relationship. And so when we do the live show, once again, January 11th in San Francisco, go to Ticketmaster.com for tickets. I think we should dig in a little bit to Derek Path and what exactly happened in their relationship. Absolutely. And our live audience is going to get it first.

They're going to see him squirm in his chair as we ask him the tough questions. talk about unedited and raw that's the live show yes yes and when i stumble over words i can't look at east and be like cut that out cut it up no we're just going to say it's my favorite we have one more hot topic before we go on to emails we're going to revisit vanessa grimaldi for a second so she's sent engagement ring pictures to her boyfriend she's basically saying hey buddy Josh Wolf is his name. I am ready to commit. She goes, just FYI, I've been sending

Josh pictures of engagement rings. Is that like a no-no? This is something she said on my husband's podcast with D'Nongler, the help I suck a date-in podcast. How would you feel if Jessica started sending you engagement rings being like, hey, bud,

hint, hint. I think it was if it was talked about before, like, hey, here's the time period she hasn't by the way but if it was talked about before hey here's the time period that i'm thinking we should you know that we're both probably thinking about getting engaged i think it would be helpful to know what she wants i think it needs to be conversed about like i think we need to come to an agreement that it's going to happen i think if this is like the first sign that hey i want to get engaged and now i'm sending you pictures of wedding rings that could

come off a little aggressive do you like having that engagement talk or do you just want to surprise her with it i like having the talk I think at that point, you are making a mutual commitment to a huge, I mean, to one of the, to the biggest decision in your life. And so at that point, it should be talked through. You should know where the other person stands and you should know that they are fully confident in walking into this next season of life with you as well. I want to make sure I'm clear that, you know, their ideas for what's happening next is very similar to mine or if not, we can come to some agreement. But is that like a sit down and talk about when are we going to get engaged, was the timeline of our engagement? Or is that more like I see like kids in being with you forever? And then her saying, yeah, me too. Could be both. I mean, I think for me it's interesting because Jessica lives in Nashville. And so there's a whole like moving thing that has to happen. And there's a whole job transition. And there's those things that need to happen. So like there's a lot of logistical planning moving up to that day even. So it has to be kind of a holistic conversation of. hey are you into this do you want to have kids together do you want to do this thing together

and then it's also are you excited about this what does your ring look like like those things have to happen but i do like the mystery to the unknowing of when it could happen that's why i don't want to spoil it no like we only talked about like we're like well duh this is forever like everything was always like when we're 50 you know talking about that stuff and like talking about our kids one day but we never necessarily said like so i would like to actually well i did say that we had to get engaged before we moved in together yeah it is a little more traditional actually and i respect that and i think it's fair i think you know um i'm learning now more and more there are some really beautiful things about having more of a private relationship than one that's

in the public eye and there's some very personal choices that jessica and i want to make um like not living together before we're married. Yeah. Because of kind of the moral boundaries we're setting for ourselves and our relationship that are private. And there's a lot more to that that I won't discuss. And that's beautiful to be able to have those and operate those and navigate those without the pressures of the outside world.

So, yeah, you know, I think all of this to kind of close up the Vanessa, I would deal with sending rings and talking about engagements, I have really enjoyed. enjoyed having these conversations with Jessica without the pressure of the world looking in. Yeah. It's been really nice. Yeah. And it's allowed us to grow as a couple and have really, we just did an interview for Sadie Robertson.

And one of the things that we took away with was Jessica and I are really good. I will give us credit for this for having the tough conversations. That's awesome. I'm really happy for you guys. Are you and Jared? What? Good at having the tough conversation. Oh, yeah.

we don't even skirt around it yeah well you're married you're married now you called him your husband and it still throws me off it's so weird so funny um well hey uh one email that i want to read from jillian uh she is a a driver i'm not going to say the name of this um shared driving experience but it says this Whitney and grandma's listening to last week's podcast and Whitney talked about having only dated Connor and Nick in Bachelor Nation but earlier at the beginning of the year, before Paradise, I was driving for this company and actually picked up Whitney and Graham Bun from the Bachelorette, Bachelor Pat and Paradise and dropped

them off to dinner. It definitely seemed like a date. They're really friendly towards me and he mentioned that she gets recognized everywhere they go. So it didn't seem like the first date. Huh. Maybe she forgot about him. That happens. She probably doesn't even associate him as a bachelor person Because his season was so long ago He lives, uh, he, Graham Bunn, I think lives in L.E. He's, he's now a host of a couple radio shows. He's on country music.

Yeah, he's not like associated with the show though. No, he's moved on. It's, hey, if you forgot about a date or two or five, I get it. But that is something that came up in our emails this week. Keep email links up been to Ashley at iHeartMedia.com. We love reading your emails and we love answering them when they, come in speaking of emails coming in and twitter polls we've asked you've delivered we tallied up the results of our poll who do you want to be the next in-depth guest because the in-depth

podcasts are blowing up they're so popular ashley and i love doing them the best and the answer is ashley dean ungler so he's coming very soon send us your questions for dean and we will blast him with him. I mean, we will not let him leave this in-depth podcast without just getting riddled with questions. He's very good at diverting, though. No, no, no. We're going to make sure he's on the spot. It's going to be awesome. Dean Unglert was the answer. So we're bringing you Dean Ungler very, very soon. Before we go, you guys, you know, if you live in that San Francisco area, we are expecting to see you on January 11th. And where are we going to be? What time given the deeds, Ben? we're going to be in san francisco at the palace of fine arts saturday january 11th that's

2020 how weird is that that's so weird 7 p.m. show starts at 8 p.m. tickets range from 35 to 99 dollars i really think it's worth the 99 so you guys get to come and meet us with the VIP that's worth a lot more than 99 there's a lot of merch that will be at the show it's going to be a really good time visit ticketmaster.com for more details Hey, everybody, it's been a great podcast. It's the off season, so we're kicking it and we're chilling. Here's the final segment of the podcast. It's called Ben Bitches.

Yay, why do you throw these up to me? Like, you throw them at me, and I don't even expect them, and it gets me really excited. I love the surprise. Why do you get on the moving walkways and not move? Oh, my God. I know. And here's the funny part about this whole thing.

And then you have your kids on a leash next to you that take up the whole walkway so you can't pass them. I'm telling you, airports are a hectic place, and they cause me a ton of stress in my life as we talked about before. But even if you're at a mall, or if you're in an airport, or if you're in one of those fancy cities that have the walkways down the street, move on the walkways. If not, stand off to the side. With that, I've been Ben. I've been Ashley. And we'll talk to you next week.

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