The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Tracking Friends with Sydney Lotuaco

Episode Date: November 19, 2019

Bachelor in Paradise favorite, Sydney Lotuaco is here with Ben to help break down all the news going on in Bachelor Nation! Special guest former Bachelorette Becca Kufrin joins in too!We discuss Carly and Evan’s new baby, Nick and Demi potentially dating, and Colton & Cassie living separately but following each other on “Find My Friends”. Plus Ben opens up about a conversation with Jess about getting married and starting a family! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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the entertainment the comedy the fun the liveliness uh and we brought her back today hey it's sydney is on the podcast today hey uh it really was true you know sydney you're the response from our listeners after you were on the podcast last time was massive. And I think it's because you bring this like breath of fresh air. I try. I try to be fresh. Yeah, like logic. Yeah. No, Ashley does the same thing. I don't want this to tell you. Ashley does it. But Ashley's out. She's taking a break. Yeah, I'm a good replacement for actually in the meantime. Replacement. So on today's podcast, we're going to come up and talk about some of the biggest and best news in Bachelor Nation. It's wild to me that every week

We can still have a podcast Even though it's the off season Just based on how many people are doing ridiculous things There's always something going on Before we do Sydney what are you doing that's ridiculous these days I'm trying to date in L.A. That's pretty ridiculous

Tell me about it I was just talking to Dean about this on the other podcast But my first L.A. dating experience consisted of this guy Who tried to get me to go on more dates by presents Like he would give me a different gift each time and it was intriguing at first until he started like sending weird things to my house.

Like what? Like creation bowls and like cupcakes and like the last gift that I got from him was a pair of Jimmy Chews, which is, I don't know if you know like a very expensive designer shoes. And I was like, yeah, I'm out. I can't.

This is too much. What do you think? How does it, two things here. How does this make you feel and what do you think he was trying to accomplish? I think he was used to certain L.A. type of people that are into that. sort of thing. But it would be one thing if we like hit it off in the dates and like we're

talking about interesting things. But mostly we talked about like the weather and like workout classes and like things that like I could talk to anyone about. So we weren't really like connecting a lot of ways. And then it just started getting creepy. Let's ask our listeners, uh, please email us at Ben and Ashley at iHeartMedia.com or hashtag the almost famous podcast. I want to ask this question. Do you like receiving gifts from the first day on? Like is that an expectation? And Cindy, I got to ask you, did that keep you around out of curiosity or because you felt cared for? I wanted to stay around for the story to tell my friends because everyone was very, like,

confused by this interaction. Yeah, I tried to stay as long as I could, but it started getting a little weird. So I opted out. Do you think he's a listener to the Almost Famous podcast? I hope not. I hope so. I've blown up in spot a couple times now. I hope he is.

So are you done dating in The Bachelor World? You never know. I'm open. Yeah. You're not on pilot Pete season then. I am not on pilot Pete season. Did not crash that season, but we'll see. Would you have wanted to be on that season?

Like, if they would have asked, would you have been interested? If it would, like, him over Colton? No, I'm saying, like, you could have done... Oh, like, do like a Becca thing where you come back again? Yeah, come back. That would be super interesting. I feel like people would not be into that. But, I mean, I find him very charming and, like, I met him on the finale of Bachelor in Paradise.

And I was like, oh, he's a charmer. So, yeah, I would have been interested in dating him, but it's, I mean, I think that that ship has sailed. But, yeah, it's okay. I think it's over. Yeah, I think he's like, literally like, he might be engaged right now. So it's not to me. That's fun. That's weird for both because I was into him too. I think he's a great dude.

Yeah. You guys have similar vibes, though. I think, like, he's like, it's a personality-wise. You guys are very, like, regal and like, but personable. Yeah. Well, you know, he really brings to the table a lot of the things that I think, um, the franchise, I mean, you know, I loved Mike. I thought Mike would have been a great bachelor choice, but I really think Pete is going to walk into this thing and thrive

because what the franchise needs is somebody that's really interested in finding their one. Yeah. And I think he wants to find it. Like I don't know if it's going to happen. Things happen where, you know, you find somebody and then it ends. But I think he's going into it with the intention of like, I want to find somebody and I'm hoping this is. I also heard he falls for people really, like falls in love really quickly,

which makes for a good season, right? Some of us more than once. Not naming names. But so you're not going on pilot Pete season. You're not against dating in the Bachelor franchise. You're dating in Los Angeles. I guess I don't know the story. Did you just move to L.A.?

Yeah, I've been here three months now. Okay, so you're getting used to it. How's it going for you? Just like, you know, learning to drive again. I've already had three different incidents. That's interesting. Just kind of like getting my bearings. But so far it's been like the welcome change

that I needed. So far, it's going well. The weather is great. The dating is terrible. Hey, Sydney, almost famous live is hitting the road. We're going to San Francisco, January 11th, 2020. We're doing this because we love you and we want to see you in person. Even better. Here's something crazy.

Sydney, who's sitting in studio with me right now, is going to be joining us in San Francisco. I am. You just reminded me that I will be there. It's going to be a great time. There's going to be a few really cool surprises. People that I know I'm excited to see. Ashley and myself will be there at the Palace of Fine Arts in San Francisco, Saturday, January 11, 2020. Doors open at 7 p.m. get your tickets at APE Concerts.com and Ticketmaster.com. If, hey, you're heading to see Sidney, Ashley, myself, and a few others for the show.

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iHeartMedia.com to RSVP. The show is Monday, December 2nd at 7 p.m. Ben and Ashley at Iheartmedia.com. Up first in Bachelor News. Let's run down the list here. So now I want you to comment as you have one. Carly Waddell and Evan Bass. Welcome baby number two, Charles Woolfell. to this world. Are they calling them Charlie or Charles? It's a good question. Or wolf? Where's the wolf come in?

Yeah. Is that someone's middle name? Carly Waddell and Evan Bass welcome Charles Wolfe. It's kind of like fish slash wolf. I don't know. It's an interesting. Yeah.

Wolf Bass. Like the wolf is eating the bass. Yeah. I like it. I'm into it. I just, I would like to get a little clarity on how that name can work out. But anyways, congratulations to Carly and Evan.

And they are two of our favorites. They've been always very generous with us. They love on us as a podcast, and we are so thankful to be able to celebrate them in baby number two of this world. Here's the part that. So Evan and Carly were at Ashley and Jared's wedding. And I was sitting in the back of the bus with Evan. And if you don't know Evan, he is a serial entrepreneur. And not just like, hey, he says it on his Instagram.

Like he does it and he does it really well. That's good. He's invested in, you know, his time on the bachelor. I think he was known for being the erect. doctor, which was a wildly successful project for him. I think he's doing very fine from that. There's a lot of work in that. There is a lot of need in this world. And now he's into like, like some CBD and those kind of treatments. Evan is a really interesting guy to talk to. And you would never know how I never have understood how he does all of this and yet has. I mean, I think he had what? A couple kids of his own when him and Carly met and now two kids with her. And he's not that old. Like this dude moves and grooves. He's fertile. He doesn't need his own help, is what we're saying. He doesn't need his own help.

Nick Vile. Nick Vile is back into our Bachelor news. He denies dating rumors about Demi, which was an article that we saw all over the press. What is going on here? What do you know? I know that Nick and Demi are close. I think Nick is like he kind of guides Demi in this new world that she's in. And I think she looks up to him.

She was like, she, like, loved him before going on Bachelor or anything. Like, she had a big crush on him. But I think they now have more of her working relationship. So it may seem. But yeah, I think Demi was getting, hearing those rumors too and was not super happy about those rumors. Yeah. So do you know Demi well? Yeah, pretty well, yeah.

So what was it? I mean, this happens all the time. There's rumors of people dating. What was it about this that caused such a, like, turmoil? I think it's because Demi just got out of her engagement with Christian. Okay. So if she's dating Nick, that would be, it would not be a long enough time frame for them to even be dating right now. You know what I mean?

That makes sense. I didn't even think about that. Yeah. Just got unengaged. Just got unengaged. I mean, from what they're saying, they reach out to each other as friends. They have spent time together. But they're just friends.

Yeah. They're just friends. Yeah. Nick, I've always said this on the podcast. He does this thing on Instagram called like Answers with Nick or something. I don't know. Between that and his painting shirtless, I find myself just wasting a ton of time on his Instagram. Yeah, those stories are actually very interesting.

And I actually, Dean just commented on this where he's one of those people that's not necessarily successful in relationships from what we've seen, but it gives pretty good dating advice. It's the wildest thing. You read his dating advice. I'm like, I don't know how he came up with that. I know. It's actually very insightful. And how much time it took to respond as well as he did to everybody. I just like don't know why he hasn't applied it to his own life experience, but.

I think you might have caught on to something. I don't know what that is. but I'm wondering what it happened. Well, Demi and Nick are not dating. They're just good friends. Okay, here's the thing. We're going to talk Colton and Cassie for a bit.

This is one of the weirdest conversations I've ever had with my friends. It's going to be the first time. And in a sense, Sydney, every episode we do is this thing called Ben Bitches during the off season where I just get really angry about something. I'm here for this. Yeah, it's really fun for me.

I'm going to take it out on this segment because this is something I don't get, I don't like, I don't understand it. But we have two people in this room right now that seem to thoroughly enjoy this. But before we talk about Colton Cassie, let's take one more break. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly and now I'm seriously suspicious. Oh, wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast.

So we'll find out soon. person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really

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That's not my problem. I get it. My problem with them is Colton and Cassie don't live together yet. They follow each other. They track each other, I think, is going to be the best word, on their phones. Okay. Like, find my friends. Find my friends is a good example.

This happened to me a few years ago in my life. my buddy Jordan Jordan says Ben they're going to download this app it's going to be fun. What ended up happening was I'm a good liar in college. Really good liar. On one really topic individually was

hey I don't want to hang out tonight so I'm going to tell my friends I'm in the library. I wouldn't be in the library. I would be out or well I'd be home sleeping, napping, whatever and I get a text from Jordan.

Ben I thought you said you were going to be in the library. I thought you said said you were going to you're at windies like all of these things that i just didn't they're little those little white lies to cover up what i'm doing to not have to say no sorry to come out and then i would get these weird texts like pick me up lettuce at the grocery store and that's where it got weird yeah so sidney before we bring in uh these two very special guests who love to track their friends on find my friends um sinnie what do you think of all this okay so one thing that could be good about this is for safety so like someone gets kidnapped they are on find my friends

friends you can find them that's one but like extreme reason I like it because then I know when I have my I follow my roommate so I know when she's coming like close to being home so I can clean up the apartment really quickly so I don't look like a slob things like that are good so you do you do this I do it with my roommate I don't I don't do with significant other is a lot but also I get why you would do it I mean it keeps everything up out in the open so like you can't hide anything that's fair yeah you can also do things where you go like ghost which is it I mean, if I have find my friends, and I have a friend on there, and I'll see my significant other. Say, Jessica and I are following each other and find my friends, and all of a sudden, for a period of time, she ghosts and disappears.

That's where stuff gets weird. That's where I start asking questions. Yeah. I don't know. Okay. So I'm saying this earlier. I'm a little upset about it. Here's my reasoning.

It's intrusive. It is now allowing everybody into our lives at a level that I don't feel comfortable with. Okay. Even if you have nothing to hide, it just feels burdensome to me that somebody would know where I'm at at all times, no matter what I'm doing. And I say this, and Easton and Mark who in studio right now goes, Easton goes, I follow Jared. And Mark says, I follow Dean. One, I would not want to know where Dean's at most of his life. It's all is good, though, because he could get lost very easily.

He could get kidnapped. I want to start with you. What, why? And like, do you ever feel weird about this? No, I don't feel weird about this I follow a lot of people And a lot of people follow me Dean can see my location

But I can't see his Which I think is kind of fun This started We were doing the help-as like a dating podcast Here at IHard Radio And I just sent my location Everyone in the room Mark follows me

Tori who works on this show Follows me I follow her too I follow a number of other people Who work here My wife Some of our friends I feel very uncomfortable right now

I'm gonna send it to you In just a moment here I don't have the app Oh you do I think it's on all phones That's cool We were doing the post show podcast With I Heart Radio

At the Seacrest Morning Show Staff does a show called The Post Show And we said let's all do it So we all did it And I think it's fun So like on and I'll go on and say Oh Siss and he's in for the night She's got the twins

Oh Tanya's out She's out out She's in Hollywood She's having a great time I like saying whatever I'm doing Eastern's at Disneyland usually Is there ever a time That you would not want someone

To see where you're at I can't imagine where that would be And that's why I got in And I was like I mean I'm a dad You know, I go to Ralph's and I go home. There's not much in between. So, like, right now, I'll tell you where Dean is. Do you want to know where Dean is?

I would love to know what Dean is. Dean is on the five freeway. Okay. Near the 170. Can't tell if he's going north or south. But yeah, he's in that darn van of his. And Jared, Jared Haven. Oh, Boston, Massachusetts.

That's actually helpful because I walked in. I was like, where's Ashley at today? She's in Boston, I'm assuming. If you had her location on your phone, you wouldn't have to wonder. So does this, all four of us, please. Please chime in here and listeners, please email us at Ben and Ashley at iHeartMedia.com or hashtag the Almost Famous Podcast on Twitter. By the way, just a little break, Almost Famous Podcast nominated for a top five. Hey, podcast in 2019. Let's go.

Thanks, listeners. You've kept me in a job for two years now. I actually heard a stat too. This is crazy. And then we'll get back to this. Over like 35 million listens now to this point. Dang. Wow. That's a lot of people. That's incredible. That's a lot of people. Okay. So does it change anything when you're dating? Okay, you're not married yet, Mark. Say you're not married at this point.

Is it weird to do this as you're dating? Because Colton and Cassie are not engaged and they're not married. They are dating. They don't live together. But they are exclusive. Definitely. So they're not like, you know. So does it make it any weirder or less weird?

Way in your thoughts, listeners. And then everybody in the room, what do you think? I think it would create more suspicion. I think it'd be like, oh, he's at that restaurant? Who's he with? I wonder. I wonder who he's there with. He's probably with his buddies, but who knows? I wonder what's happening. I think it just creates a lot of questions that don't need to happen. Yeah, like, TMI.

And then it would bring up the question of, like, when do you actually ask to follow them on fine friends? Like at one point? Yeah, that's like more than like, are we boyfriend girlfriend? Can I see where you are at all times? Can I stalk you with your permission? Yeah, I wouldn't even dream. If I was a dating man, I wouldn't dream of even doing this unless we were, like, living together. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah, I agree. Yeah, and then I would want to know when she was coming home so that. Because then if you, like, break up, like, you know the guys that still follow you on Instagram and watch all of your things, but like ghosted you, like, those type people, it would be like that or I would feel, I don't know, I would probably still watch it for whatever reason and just like know where they are at all times, but for no, I don't know. You wouldn't delete it right away? I probably not. That would be brutal. Right?

I mean, I think about me, you're saying I have this app on my phone already. Sam, in a serious relationship, I start following this person. I don't use the app for a couple months. All of a sudden I get back on the app. and I can see them at some... You're like, forget about it. That makes me hurt talking about it. They're at, like, your best friend's house.

Oh, man. Ooh, that would be rough. But it would create a story, Sydney, and that's what we're trying to do. That's what we're here for, stories. Good stories. Well, anyways, listeners, is it weird, is it not? I don't know. Some people like it.

Some people don't. I don't like the idea of following somebody on my phone, but that's just me. I'm also, you know, 30 going on 70. It feels like sometimes when it comes to technology. Um, Colton Cassie also, we brought it up, but we didn't talk about it. Uh, they are not living together. They, uh, they discuss this publicly. This has also been a discussion, um, that came up in my life recently on the Howman Think

podcast with IHeartRadio. Um, what are your thoughts sitting about living together in an exclusive dating relationship? Also, let's move that into, uh, like a fiancee engagement relationship. And I want to give you my backstory, right? So I grew up in a small, conservative. of town. Yes. It is a part of kind of the moral fabric to relationships that you don't live together until

marriage. That was kind of how I was raised, even though I think my parents probably did for a little bit. It was just like kind of what people thought in my town. My parents have never really spoken out against it, by the way. It's just kind of the idea around it. And then Lauren and I moved in together after our engagement on the show. It got a lot of controversy.

I didn't realize it because I've been. I've been very outspoken about my faith in Jesus. I fully believe in Jesus. And when we moved in together, I didn't even think about how the repercussion from the masses would feel, but it was a lot of comments like, I thought you said this, but this is the actions you're choosing. Now, I didn't know how to necessarily process that because there's a lot of reasons why you're moving together.

One, financially, it's a lot easier. Two, Lauren and I didn't really know each other. So we knew we had to learn a little bit about each other. Move on from Lauren now. You know, Jessica and I are not living together. We actually live in two separate cities, Nashville and Denver. One of the things that we want to do right is to, I mean, I love this woman. I want to make sure that we cultivate the healthiest relationships.

And now we're at a place of saying, okay, it's time to take that next step. How do we do it well? And I want to hear from you all what you think. I also, on Colton Cassie, like they're both religious as well. So I think that might play a factor to why they're not living together. I also think that if I want to marry someone personally, like I would want to live with them first because that changes the dynamic of everything, no matter like friends, family or anything. Like living together is a whole other animal.

So I would just want to, it's a picture into what your life will be. And I think that's the best way to do it is just like forcing yourself into like, but I'm not like, I don't come from a background where it's like you don't live together before marriage. So that's where I'm at. Yeah, it's like a foreign thought. Yeah. Also living in like modern times too. So it kind of changes things. Yeah, I agree.

But I would actually say modern times actually would almost allow us to live farther apart because of FaceTime. phone, all that. But, Easton, Mark, any strong thoughts on this? Well, you know, the other trend is that like Kali Kowloko and I've heard of some others that are married and not living together. That's interesting. We're married for a while and not living together. They plan to eventually, but right now it's not convenient.

So even though they're married, they're having separate homes and they say it's really helping a lot. Tanya met a guy in an airplane last week who he and his wife were only together three days a week. And then four days a week, he's in a different house. And that just keeps it exciting. It makes those three days really exciting and fun and fresh. Yeah.

For me, we lived together for a year before we got married. It was right at the time I proposed, which was timed well because her parents were not happy about it. When I proposed, then it became okay again. Was it like, was it a faith background? Yes, it was. Once we proposed, they decided it was okay for us to live together. And it worked out because it's like you say, it's the convenience, it's the money, it's that sort of thing. There's lots of reasons to do it.

Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I mean, I don't have a strong faith. I'm a godless man. but um we uh we didn't move in together till we an outlaw they say yeah and his floral shirts you know when i when i when i roamed the countryside looking for uh for someone to beat up but um we got engaged though we didn't move in together until we got engaged because my my now wife said um i've done this with too many guys i've like moved in with them and like got on our lives all

intertwined and then broken up i don't want to do that again i don't have the time to waste on that yeah i feel like i would want to be engaged and then move in instead of just like dating so that's what we did and then we got engaged and then we got engaged and then we got engaged there was like a year period before we got married and I was like there's something you don't like about me you better figure it out this year because it's happening you know I was talking about this with Jessica because we're trying we are we're talking through these kind of conversations and we've started to have them and we're at dinner the night in New York and we were sitting having a beautiful dinner and we started talking about our future and it was exciting conversation it was

really fun for us and I brought up this topic because it was brought up to me and one of the guys on the Howman Think podcast said you know you shouldn't be doing this for anybody but yourself one you need to make this decision as a couple and I said I would agree with that that. The also part is that, you know, what the families are against that, you don't want to burn those bridges. I love Jessica's family. She loves my family. I want to respect what they want. I want to walk through this wisely because I don't need to just jump into living with somebody with burning every bridge ever had with her family. You know, I don't want to do that. I want to respect them. And I said, Jessica, what are your pros and cons to not living together? Because

that's what she doesn't want to do it. And she said something. I said, oh, and I phrased it with, wouldn't it be great if we live together so you would find out things about me that you don't like so that it wouldn't work? And she says the difference is once we're married, the things we don't like we're going to work on blending and compromising on. And she said, I know you well enough to know that you would want to compromise for me and I hope you know that I'd want to compromise for you and we'll make our lives work. But we'll do that once we're married so there's there isn't an out. Like we're in this thing. And I and I think if we live together before we even engaged or even as we're engaged, it's too easy to say no.

It's too easy to go. Because living together cannot be easy. I cannot imagine that in any relationship, it's like a super easy transition. So that's my thought. I don't know. It's an interesting topic. It's one that we're talking about more and more, but Cassie and Colton are not living together. They've been public about it. Yeah, these thoughts are so fun and so

exciting. Please email us. If you think you should live together before marriage or not, right now I'm on the side of not. But we'll see. Hey, Colton gives Peter Weber advice for his new season. This new season that ended filming this last week. We have no clue what happened. We're going to try to keep it that way. We don't want to ruin anything. I do know Peter Weber cut his face up at some point. Yeah, that was bad. He's still good looking. He's going to be fine. So Colton

says this to Peter Weber. He goes, my season specifically exemplified that there's an expectation to get engaged. But my only advice is just like it's your life at the end of it. They have another bachelor. They have another bachelorette. So you really need to keep in mind to do what's best for you and what's best for your relationship because it's your real life. I think that's an important piece is Colton says it.

It's true. It's your real life. People, like the cameras go down, the show stops airing. Your life doesn't stop at that moment. It keeps going and there's still repercussions from that. Sydney, any immediate thoughts? I agree with that because I think what sometimes people fall

into the show. It's they feel like they have to follow a certain storyline. And I think he makes a good point. Like, it doesn't have to always end how the show designed it to end. And I think that makes a successful relationship. So that way you're meeting your person where you're supposed to be at versus like forcing you guys into this one little like hole. And it seemed to work out for Colton, which is good.

But I think it's like pushing boundaries with the show as well because I think that they're having a lot of different outcomes at the end of this versus just like the typical everyone gets engaged and they're happy at the end of it so i don't know ben we need to lead do you feel the pressure from the producers i need to make this interesting entertaining exciting do you lose sight of your own life and and think of what's best for the show you know i think it would be incredibly hard to know there's 200 people standing around you on those last few days and not finish this thing out yeah yeah i think it is a lot of pressure i don't think i recognize it at the time i think i realized um i realized what was at stake here

I also, you know, the language of how special would this be if this was the end of your love or the start of your next chapter? How special would it be if your whole love story was documented on television? How special would it be if you could show her in this moment how much you care? That language starts to sleep inside and you're like, yeah, it would be special. It would be great. How do I explain it if I just walk off this thing? But my, every year I get to talk to The Bachelor, well, at least I have until I get too old. And I remember with Nick, there was this moment where I was really pumped for Nick because I knew this was something he was excited about.

And I remember my only advice as I was like thinking through what I wanted to tell him was, don't feel the pressure to get engaged. Don't, don't carry that weight. Don't carry that burden because engagement is a real thing. Yeah. And then I've been, the follow-up's been asked to me, you know, do I regret then proposing? I don't. I think it's carried, it's added a layer to my life that I now have to explain and ask for, you know, understanding on but I don't regret it because it was what I thought was right at the time

and it just didn't work out um here's my problem with this statement though I think I think Colton spot on and I just said it to Nick I would hate for any bachelor to walk into the season in the back of his mind thinking that not making that commitment was the wrong thing that like starting to like because it's so easy to doubt yourself already especially when you're in this world that it's going to be so easy to say, uh-uh, I'm not into it, I got to go.

Yeah, that would, easy round out. Yeah, I don't want that either. Sydney, if you're at the end there, yeah.

Would you be, um, upset if they didn't, like if the guy didn't do it? Yeah, I would be upset. Especially if I was like ready and I like knew, because I would,

the whole process while you're there, you're so unsure about how they feel about you because they're not really allowed to say anything. So then if I were to get to the end and he still didn't propose, I would be like, Like, well, so do you like me? It's hard. I would want that validation, especially at the end.

Well, we're going to bring up somebody that has proposed at the end. She is the new co-host of the Bachelor Live on stage show with me starting February 1st. Becca, Gufran. Welcome. Welcome. How's it going, guys? Good. Really good.

Becca, we're just getting out of a conversation. And before we start talking about this tour and all the great things that you and I are going to do on it, Um, what do you think about Colton's advice to Peter to say don't feel like you need to get engaged at the end of the season? Good advice, bad advice, or is it, uh, just exactly what somebody needs to hear? I mean, truly I think that's exactly what somebody needs to hear. I know that, I mean, I remember the pressure I felt going in the second time around on the bad story being like, okay, I don't want to push anything if I'm not ready. And luckily the production team was great about being like, this is your choice like this is potentially like your life your partner and if it feels right go for it and so i think it's if it feels right of course like follow your heart peter and and hopefully find the one but i would never want anyone to feel like they had to be forced into something um you know like some other bachelors may have felt do you feel forced into being engaged to garret no not at all um the only hope i'd say sometimes i feel force is when he keeps me up in night because he's snoring

so loud. I just got to push him a little flip him over. I know. Oh, trust me. I've been taking videos like crazy of him every night. I'm going to make a whole snoring compilation of him. Oh, that'll be cute for like an anniversary gift. Sidney, I don't know if you saw this, but Becca and Garrett had this thing on social media.

I think it was yesterday or that it before. That made me laugh so hard. So Minow, their dog, must have torn up the house, like just torn up the shoes and the whatever. And then you see this video of Becca, like, holding Minnow and like scratching. her belly and Garrett on the couch videotape and her being like, this is a great way to like, you know, reinforce bad behavior. And I thought it was so funny. That is funny. I like to say Garrett is the disciplinarian one out of us. I, like, I just can't,

I can't yell at her. I can't get mad at her. Everything she does, even if she's a little turd. She just is such a cutie pie. So I live it to him and then hope that she just loves me more when I spoil her. Yeah, that's a good cop back up. Yeah, Becca. How are you going to spoil me when we start this tour? well ben if you two of my shoes i probably won't give you a belly rub you know but i will say if we have a great show i'll take you out for a beer every night oh i can do i can do that i like that sydney so i don't know if you've you've heard but a little bit background here um the bachelor live on stage tour is starting february first in arizona and the whole concept is this bachelor nation

has been so good um to the show and so uh a team came together and and said, let's make a live traveling tour. So we're going to, I don't know, Becca, what is it, 66 cities? Wow, that's a lot. Yeah. We're going to be busy. Quite a lot. Beck and I are going to be literally on tour buses.

Oh, my gosh. With professional dancers and production and musician, like everything. And then Beck and I will be on this bus as well. Garrett will be traveling. Jessica will be traveling with us. Minnow is going to be traveling with us. But here's the concept of the show, because a lot of people want to ask. And Becca, please feel free to chime in where you want here.

We're going to go to each city, 66 cities, pick a new bachelor in each of these cities. So 66 different bachelors. Okay. Ten women at each location, and they're going to be dating in real life on stage in front of 2,000 people, how many show up it to the auditorium. All down to the very end, will they'll give out a final rows. Wow. How many days are you staying in each city?

One. It's a two and a half hour show. It's a two-half-hour show. Okay. It's like a fast track. Go every night and then sleep on the bus, wake up in a new city. It's just, we're just going to bang one at 66 in a row. So are they expected to be engaged at the end?

I hope we get one. But no. We potentially could. I could see like two and a half hours of love really, you know. Totally. Like moving into this romantic scenario where your love stories you could play out in front of 2,000 people in two and a half hours and at the end you're engaged. No, the request is this is at the end.

I can't give. There's a really cool twist to the show at the very end. but he is asking one woman, hey, would you like to accept my rose? And she gets then the twist is that she has the power at that moment to say yes, no, or something else, which is going to really make the show fun, I think, for everybody involved. Now, the question that we always get asked, why the Bachelor, why not the Bachelorette? We'll start at The Bachelor. We hope to do The Bachelorette.

We hope that we can do a lot of these kind of shows. But for the first go around, please come and watch us at one of these 66 cities. Becca Kufrin and I are going to be hitting the road. Becca, a tour bus. We're taking tour buses. What is your strategy for tour bus life? Oh, man. You know, I feel like I need to talk to some rock stars who have done this because I, like, knowing me,

and I feel like Ben, you're kind of the same way. I need alone time sometimes. So this will definitely be interesting. Oh, gosh, yes, it will. We will luckily have our own bathrooms, which will be nice. but it's going to be interesting I think the main thing that's going to be tough for me

is the whole packing situation because I am notorious for overpacking and these tour buses aren't huge so I'm going to have probably one little small suitcase that I'll have to cram everything into which at this point I don't know if it's doable I'm sure Garrett will probably

have to throw it a lot for me and help me but I think it will be fun you know not many people can say that they've lived on a tour bus for part of their life And so I just want to go in with an open head and heart and to just really soak it all in for all its worth. And I'm sure we'll have some days where, you know, we're going to need our alone time and we're going to be down or stressed or sick or whatever it might be. But I think overall with Ben and the entire team traveling with us will keep everyone's spirits high and just make it a really good run. I think Hannah, when she was bachelor, I had to take breaks, like what she called them stare at the wall breaks.

so she would schedule in like 15 minutes where she would just literally stare at the wall and like no one would talk to us maybe you need some of those. That sounds super healthy. My whole thing, and I think I told Ben this before, I used to, because you don't have any alone time, you always have somebody with you that I used to pretend that I had to go to the bathroom really bad. And I would legit just sit on the toilet and just sit there for quiet time for like 10, 15 minutes because, you know, you need it. You need your own time sometimes. Yeah. That's going to be a great thing. I'm just going to, yeah, take a lot of advantage to try to clean out my colon.

Hey, here's the thing. I'm all for equality. But there's one thing that's very obvious when it comes to minimum that just is not equal. And that's the fact that, Becca, when you talk about packing, I'm talking about literally bringing one suit on the road with me and wearing it at all 66 locations. You're allowed to do that, though. That's so annoying. And probably basketball shorts and a t-shirt, and then that's it.

Like, that's all. And you're going to be stressing out. and I'm just going to hang up a suit. Same suit. You have the luxury. Here's the thing. You can accessorize with your tie and your pocket squares. And you can get away with it.

Like, girls, we need options. I feel like if I wear the same gown every night, I'll definitely get bored of it. And I think people are going to get bored of it too. So I'm going to need, you know, hopefully a couple dresses there. But luckily, I'm not going to give too much away of what we're doing on stage, but we will have some costume changes, which we'll come. come in handy with having the stage manager to keep track of those bad boys. I hope I turn into a unicorn at some point.

I don't think it's a thing, but I just really, I feel like that's my call. Is that a dream of yours? Yeah. I think we could make it happen. Becca, before we let you go here, what is something, so I was announced as the host, I don't know, months ago, and then there was been the plans the whole time we'd have a co-host, and we were working through things, and then Becca got chosen, and we had to wait a little bit to announce it.

I'm ecstatic that Becca is my co-host. I don't know if you know Becca well, but she's terrific. She's funny, she's smart, she's going to be easy to get along with for four months. And I love Garrett. I think Garrett's the best. So I'm pumped to be with them and Jessica loves them as well. Outside of our time together, Becca, because I know that's probably number one. What is the thing that you're most excited for when it comes to this to her?

Oh, two things. So number one is just meeting everyone in all the cities. I know we're going to be offering VIP meeting, after each show. I mean, I've traveled quite a bit, but there's a lot of cities that I've never been to that are on this tour. So I'm just excited to check out the cities, to meet the people, and just to get, like, feel the vibe from the audience.

Like, I really want to, like, play off of everyone in the crowd, and I think that's kind of what's going to get us going night by night because we're going to have a lot of shows in a row, so it's really going to be up to the audience to, you know, help keep us up and spirited and all that fun stuff. I'm also very excited. So, side note, I'm a huge foodie. So during the days, we'll have some downtime to explore the cities. So I want to eat my heart out.

I want to hit all of the great local spots. So for anyone listening, if we're coming to your cities, please DM us any recommendations because I want all of the good donut places. I want to know where we can get a good cocktail after the show, whatever it might be. So that's another thing I look forward to It's just exploring the cities That is a great point I never thought about that

But you literally Just made my life We're going to have so much fun eating We're going to get like 25 pounds You know what Fat and Happy That sounds awesome Hey if you want to see Becca

On the tour in one of these 66 cities Go to Bachelor Live onstage.com To purchase tickets We're pumped about it We're excited about it Becca Let's make some love happen All across the U.S. Of A Becca

We will. Thank you for coming on the podcast. Thanks, guys. Can't wait to see y'all. Thank you. Bye. Speaking of love, we're going to talk about Blake Hortzman, potentially finding love in one place that he's very famous for finding it.

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I'm not sure what that looks like. I don't need that. Yeah, it's not good. I'm sure. I don't know how I feel about this. Should he just go and be sober the whole time and just like, you know, pass out. That would be terrific. But how terrible does that sound?

I, not the sobriety part as much as like you're just at a place at a festival. People are just like waiting for you to mess up basically. I don't know. It's not going to. Why? I would never want to go back. I would be like, I would have like trauma.

What's the scenario look like? So there's two paths I'm seeing. He walks in and everybody like has Blake Hortzman signs. Like, I know this, yeah. Or he walks in and everybody's going to make the Blake comment. Like, boo. Yeah. Like, what happens, Cindy, this whole thing?

It's going to be, it's going to be a lot. If I were him, I would never want to be near a music festival ever again. But for whatever reason, he thinks he's, this is the same thing he did in Paris. He thought he was going to redeem himself every day he got there. So now he's going back to the place where it all began and thinks he's going to redeem himself. I mean, I don't know how you do that. I really don't know. I wonder if stage coach is paying him

It's yeah It's got to be one of those things right It has to be I can confirm that they are Yeah I've never been to stage coach I like I like country music I like festivals

If somebody offered me money to come to their festival I would say yes Because typically I'm buying the tickets Uh huh But what if you were Blake I just think this is a really dangerous scenario Yeah And it's gonna

You know what's gonna happen And truth be told He's gonna get there And nothing wilds gonna happen nothing weird is going to happen, he's going to be on his best behavior. Yes. And if he's not, it's going to backfire so bad. Yeah.

But he's going to be on his best behavior. It's all going to go fine. But nobody's going to talk about that either. True. Because it's not a story. Oh, Blake went to stage coach and he was celibate. Hopefully he will stay celibate. We'll see.

If he's not, this will be a storyline for the ages. Yeah. Stageco is going back to paradise if he's not. I hope there's Blake Hortzman like signs at stagecoach one day. Like, come see Blake. Oh, there's like merch? Yeah. This is where

this is the stage coach we've all heard about. This season of Paradise had stage coach mentioned so many times just like this podcast that I do you think the festival

was ecstatic about this? It's like the best thing that's ever happened to them I'm sure, right? Free advertising. It was over and over and over and over. Oh like I'll never forget it like everyone was talking about it

and now they're like using it to promote it more. When you were down there did it feel like everybody was talking about it too? I think they had to like request that to use the term stagecoats because it was being brought up in interview so much so yeah there was an

episode i forget which one it blurs together at some point but like two or three different women came back to back to back all at that point admitting that stage coach had they had an interaction with blake at stage coach and it was like is humorous the right word or just like nail biting comical yeah cringe worthy like there was so many emotions to that because it was like i met blake at stage coach literally i met blake at stage coach and then i think somebody else came on and was like I met Blake at stagecoach, but nothing happened. Like, they had to, like, preface it. Yeah.

Yeah, it's almost like the producers, like, send in the next one, send in the next stagecoach person. Like, they just, like, lined them all up. And it was beautifully done. But it led to Blake's ultimate demise. It definitely did. If you want to see the expert at stagecoach, Blake Hortzman, he's going to be there this year. Okay, final topic. Yes.

This one's an interesting one. I want to get clarity on it from Tasia at some point. But until then, let's just weigh in what we think. JPJ and Tasha, as we announced a few weeks ago, have officially broken up. They did just now speak up about their breakup. Tasia said his 9 to 5 job was hard on their relationship. So I think taking that comment out of context is really bad. But that is the line.

That was the line that was the title of the article. Now, I get it. I feel like that's not true. Okay, tell me why. Because her, knowing her and talking to her, she liked. liked his nine to five job. Like that was something that intrigued her about him, that he was like, essentially like normal and not trying to like go into this whole influencer life. I mean, he was doing it on the side, but it wasn't like his whole like job.

Yeah. She, I think that was what attracted her to him the most was that he was like smart and driven and had that like real job that he had. Well, in this world, it isn't common to find somebody with that real job. Exactly. It is hard. I mean, I would say for myself, like even, um, the balance. of a nine to five on top of, so now full time I do generous.

But back in the day when the bachelor was going on and the bachelor, I kept my job to the whole thing for a software company. So I was clocked in, clocked out. And it was really difficult to do all those above. Friday evening I would fly to wherever I have to be to do presser or event or whatever. And it was fun and that was exciting and it was cool.

And then right back on Monday to my desk and it's exhausting and it's weird and it feels like two separate lives. But it's healthy. It is. I think that she also, because he he was so much younger because he had that like real like finance job she would like it almost made it more okay for her that she was dating him you know what I mean yeah so then when he left

that she was like oh that's not what we agreed on like when they left yeah so so I think taking that that that comment out of context probably caused a little injustice here but if if that was if that comment was made okay if it would just not sit right with you right I mean nine to five job in this world would be super respectful right yeah because then you have like from five on to like do whatever you need to do that's a lot of time just away yeah take some content exactly do your thing yeah well also they were living on two different coasts they were she was in LA and he was in Maryland oh that's tough that didn't help either and I'm sure getting the Maryland is not easy no no um well hey I uh before we close up the podcast I got to give a shout out

we have a few very special guests in studio today uh we have Maddie Rebecca and Kylie all from the generous team today listen to this so this morning One of the old producers of The Bachelor of Long Gail. Yes. And his girlfriend, Molly, came with us to the L.A. mission. A few weeks ago on the podcast, we talked to Bob Dalton about a campaign we were doing with sackcloth and ashes where we would sell blankets. And then for every blanket sold, one would be donated to the L.A. mission.

On top of that, 25% of the proceeds would then be donated back. And everybody would receive a bag of coffee from generous, right? So today was our blanket drop where we passed out the blankets. We went to the L.A. mission. We hung out there. first off if you're in LA they need volunteers they need funding they need support the LA mission is doing some amazing things 800 meals serve per day free of charge to people without a home that's incredible not only that they have education programs they have safe places for

housing I mean the front page of the LA Times today had an article about how unhappy people are in the LA area with the policies being passed for homelessness well if you want to do something about that, stop complaining and get out there and help yourself at the Los Angeles mission. But anyways, this generous team came into LA with us today. They're in studio. I want to thank them for their hard work, their efforts to put on an amazing, amazing campaign with sackcloth and ashes. Hey, if you want a gift for the holiday season, go to generouscoffee.com. Get some coffee for your friends. It's worth it. It's really nice. Everybody loves coffee and being generous. Everybody loves coffee. I like you. You're a good time. You're a good time. Hey, I want to say

Thanks to Sydney for coming in the day. Thanks for having me. It's always a pleasure. You know, Becca Kufner is actually supposed to step in today and co-host, and then we're like, Sydney's closer, Becca can't make it. It's literally in the building. You're in the building. And I want to just say thank you.

You're really good at this. Thank you. And there's a skill set to this that you just bring, and it's always fun to talk to you. So please come back. Always down. Always down. Also, if you have anybody single in the Los Angeles area and looking to date, Sydney, I don't know why you wouldn't.

can you just give before we say goodbye to you like five things why somebody should date you like you're you dance you what else like give us your resume i'm i think i'm pretty chill um i am driven i'm fun i am open to new things and um i can also get deep yeah yeah pick that how you want sounds like something else it's fine um she's a great time we love her on here Sidney, thanks again. And until next time, you got to follow my lead here. I think you probably remember this. I'm going to say something here, and you're going to do it right after, right?

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