The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Twinning in Paradise with Justin and Joey Young

Episode Date: November 16, 2022

They got the most screen time this season of Paradise and now Ben and Ashley have the twins Justin and Joey Young on the podcast!Find out who REALLY stole their heart on the sand and we hear some of the stories you didn't see on camera!Plus, is an itch considered "pain"? We break down the debate of the century and why it started a fight between Genevieve and Aaron!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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It's episode two of this week for the Almost Famous Podcast. We're lucky enough today to have two of. the most screen time contestants this season on Bachelor and Paradise, at least for the last few weeks, Justin and Joey, the twins, as we like to know them, are here with us. Hello, fellows. What's up, Ben? How are you?

How are you doing? Long time to see. Long time no see. You guys spoke? We did. On the podcast. Yeah. I wasn't on that one.

Oh, yeah. You missed out. Oh, man. Okay. Well, then I will. won't be asking questions about last season. I forgot that you guys have already been on here. Well, how surprised were you to get the phone call that you were headed to Bachelor in Paradise

or that they would like you to head to Bachelor in Paradise because you guys got eliminated night one? Yeah. Yeah. We were kind of in shock, but we kind of maybe almost even expected it because pretty much literally a week later after like we were eliminated from night one, we kind of got the call like, we're going to consider you guys for Paradise. We're like, oh, really?

like we weren't really expecting it so early we were kind of weary about it too we were like i don't know if you want to go through this again like is it going to go bad for us but honestly we're excited about it so yeah i was the same way i think like going home on night one it really kind of changed my perspective on bachelor nation as a whole so i was like do i really want to go back and maybe have the chance of being on there one day and then i don't get a rose again so um knowing that you know i took that in consideration and we went back so it's it's working well so would you say it was a tough decision then was it was there a lot of back and forth between the two of you did was there ever a chance that one of you would go and one of you wouldn't yeah we thought about that

to be honest it was because we thought with that you know that twin dynamic it didn't really it came across a little bit different um on the bachelorette so having us maybe one maybe just joey go or just me go would maybe make things a little bit different a little bit more success you know with a relationship but we always knew we were going to do this together we were in it together once it's going to happen again so but we kind of figured being on paradise we'll kind of had the opportunity to really kind of build our own relationship separately because there's multiple options instead of just like two options so yeah so we kind of figured it would kind of worked well and play into that so i don't know it worked well for us i feel like so far so if you guys were to

ever actually split and go into paradise solo who would be the one going or would we fight over that definitely fight over that i know i think can make like a number like a decision like that right away i feel like we'd have to i don't even know who we would choose honestly but i mean i think we both would love to do it but i personally think joey i think he'd be a little bit better than me i think i'm a little bit more sporadic in the paradise type setting i kind of bounce around as maybe you've seen my time here now so i think joey would be a little bit better but at the same time i don't know I mean, that can be determined later, I guess. What were your expectations going in?

So you obviously get the ask, you both decide to go, as you're showing up then to the beach. What did you think was going to happen? Honestly, since we were showing up, but we kind of showed up at a later point, I feel like, when a lot of the connections are already built. So we kind of go, yeah, I just expect it like, oh, maybe I'll find someone right away. Like, maybe I'll just click instantly. Someone will be available, something like that. Maybe. And then I didn't expect any of this. What's been happening so far, me staying on this long kind of building the mileage chip so far with Chenet. I did not expect that in the slightest fit. I'll be honest. I was kind of the opposite of that. I expected to develop a relationship. And I wanted to do that. I think that's anyone's goal going on to the bachelor itself. So I wanted to do that. And I knew I was going to do this in any way I could. And I mean, it's working out now. So there it is.

guys ever switch and pretend like each other is the other, the opposite one? And did the cast have any issue telling you a part? The whole cast, I still, to this day, I don't think they could tell us apart at all, except for our change, but I wear a gold and he wears silver. I think that was the

main telling point, but if it was covered, they couldn't sell. Yeah, not all. Not all. What about the girls that you were dating? Did they tell? Blow was really good at it. So was Chenet. I think they were, they were pretty like, they caught on pretty quick, but I guess because they're with us so much and they can kind of tell we like act a little different,

kind of speak a little different. I think after that double date, yeah, like all, all that time together, they were right away able to just be like, oh, that's just and that's Joey. And it was cool to see that because that doesn't happen often. It really doesn't. So seeing that, it definitely developed kind of, even a greater attachment to flow for me because not everyone does that. And if they do, it's a different type of relationship.

You guys are the prey of some cougars. You guys are 24 and you're dating all girls in their third. Well, Shanae, I think, is 30. Then we have Mara, who's 33. And then there's Flo, who's 32. Yeah. But you guys said that you've never been, you've never dated an older woman before. So how was it?

you get a you doing it again are you still dating these ladies we can't give those details yet but um i think i was never opposed but i just never honestly had the opportunity to do it so i mean i'm glad like i you know like it came up and i there's no complaints there with it i don't really see a difference honestly i think yeah with this age thing i've been seeing it around everywhere yeah um i am 24 yes but there's um other contestants on the show too who are 26 25 and you know they're dating older women as well and I think for us for some reason they're just a very big attachment to us that we're super young yeah when I'm only really a year younger and I know these women are older but I just like for our age we're we're a lot

more mature than a lot of people exactly like I have we both have to to a master's degree from the full careers and things like that so like we're I think we're a lot more mature than people actually think we are so maybe the age things a little bit yeah we're young but we can definitely obviously date and older woman if the chance we have it's looking well right now so that's what matters to me well and it doesn't look like there's a lot of pain on either one of your faces so we'll see how this plays out well it brings me to something i wondered about two of you obviously you did come in late to the beach. Relationships were already set. I'm sure you both had your wish list, as they say, your kind of top three that you were looking for. When you found out that, you know, Flo and

Cheney were going to be the two that were most available, are you excited initially? Were you hesitant? Were you disappointed at the beach didn't have more singles to offer you? A little bit of everything um i think i was a little hesitant because of the age and i'm being perceived being young to these older women which actually happened so i think i was a little hesitant on that on that um um reserve but i mean i was just willing to go with it and just really see where it goes um i kind of like just to go off that i kind of went in not really like i didn't really have a list of people per se i was looking for i didn't like i just kind of went as a wild car like whoever i thought I could connect with the best.

That's who I'm going to go for. And so like an age limit, anything like that didn't really matter to me. Yeah, obviously, at first I was like maybe the age thing will be a little of a problem. But, I mean, obviously. So it kind of, it's good to take, you have to take a risk when you're at Paradise. And I'm glad I took that risk and did that. And what was funny for me, too, was my best conversation was with flow. Exactly.

And we spoke to all the women there. And my best combo was with flow initially anyways. So it worked out in that way for me. we definitely connected the most. And I think same thing with you. Yeah, I mentioned that. So, yeah, I mean, I think that's really where it came down to. Of course, we were hesitant, but you take the risk, like you said, and that was it.

Tell me if this perception of you is right. I imagine you guys as like 12-year-old boys through a teen years watching the show with your mom. And then all of a sudden, your mom gets her two sons on Bachelor and Bachelor of Paradise. we have a really close relationship with our mom and our family honestly though i've never watched the show i've only watched one season before this when i was like in college so i never honestly my i never watched with my parents or really anything honestly so it wasn't really i guess yeah it was just more we have a close relationship with our parents and our mom obviously i think as italians like it's a big thing but um no that's not a perception i think at all i think

we're we're established at our age where we're independent from our parents We're not these little 12-year-old little boys that people are perceiving us as. You know, we carry our own. We like to carry our own. And, you know, I think even again, too, we displayed more maturity than some guys on the beach or older than us. And people have been saying that. And I think, you know, if I was 12, we're not going to display that maturity.

So, yeah, I think that's a good answer to that. So, Justin, what are you moving to Australia? No, I got my flight booked. You know, I'm looking at places now to go down there. What a boy. That a boy. All right. Well, guys, thank you so much for coming on.

Before we let you go, I've got to ask my last question for you. Yes. How many double dates do you go on a year? Honestly, we actually, we've only been on really. I'd say that was probably ever the third double date ever. Really? Yeah, we really don't go on a lot of double dates. We're really in that dating world.

We're really independent from each other. I mean, look, we like when the girls we do date are friends or become friends. And I think that's huge. But we like to have that independence because we're always together. And, you know, as being a twin, you know, you're always connected to each other. But you've got to split that connection somehow. And that's in the dating world. And, you know, we're also very different.

I feel like in the dating world, like, you can honestly, you can just tell from our relationships pretty much. right now like how they perceive we're just very kind of different in that way so we attract different girls so maybe they might not always match or we just don't always have the way to go on a double day with them so we don't really actually go on many but it was it was i loved it was fun though so i can't can't complain at all well if uh if there's a title for this interview it's independence yeah and maturity uh and self-sufficiency i like bad thank you guys would have been a great match for kate because kate seems to only be looking for financial security, personal security.

You know, she's doing, yeah, she's saying, she's saying a lot. She's doing Logan wrong, I think. I love Logan too, and I know he's, he really is established in his career and his life. Yeah, I love Logan. And I just think, you know, she's doing it wrong, and there's no need for that. I don't know. Kate's got to calm it down a little bit. I would agree.

Hey, Justin, Joey, thanks for coming on. Best of luck with the rest of the season. We can't wait to see where these love stories play out. And, Justin, when you make it to Australia, take some pictures, I hear it's beautiful. Come on down, Ben. We can go out to a little double date down there, maybe. Sounds good. Bye, guys.

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We hinted at it last week. We're talking about it this week. Ashley, we mentioned last week we don't talk about it again, that it would be a little weird for past leads maybe to show up to the beach. So soon after these guys have left their season. I don't think we ever see that like turnover.

so fast, and them to be like, oh, my God, you're here. I think it's actually even before the tell-all may tape. Like, these guys might be saying these girls before they even see them at the tell-all, which is jarringly soon. They said three weeks. It's three weeks, see? So the whole point of them sending in these guys and these girls is to freak out the guys and make them, they think that they're going to sit down with the girls,

and all of a sudden, Gabby and Rachel are going to talk smack about them. And then they're going to like, then their girls are going to have all these new doubts. This is particularly about, well, Tyler wasn't nervous at all because Tyler was just like everybody's favorite. And then the girls basically told Brittany like, oh my God, we're so happy that he's with someone because he's so sweet. And like, we're so rooting for him. And then Logan was really the one that was worried that they were going to say something to Kate. because, well, the girls are friends with Kate and Logan was the one who flip-flopped

and not only did Logan flip-flop in on The Bachelorette, but he also has dated around a bit in Paradise. But Kate, like, you know, she's not really faced by any of it. Right? No. And then, like, their whole visit is kind of just like, you know, it seems like it could have been juicy, but it just wasn't. Yeah, I was going to say,

We don't really see too much of the reaction from this. I thought it was going to be. Logan's freaking out. Kate has definitely built in a unique fan base. Which, why do I find myself included in this? I'm telling you, this is the weirdest thing ever. I know you are. She has, like, such a condescending voice by nature, like, or a manner of speaking.

Yeah. And everything she says is, like, well, could be offensive. Not everything. But she says a lot of things that could be taken offensively. The stuff that's shown is offensive. Yeah. It can be. Yeah.

It's like it's the storyline that has been built in now. She said enough things about wanting a wealthy, you know, sustaining partner that can support her well. He's a dog walker with an orange car. Yeah. So, okay. I don't know how to feel about any of this, except the fact that I was not nervous. for Logan. And here's why. At this point, there's zero chance Kate and Logan walk off this beach together. Oh, yeah. So in her mind, she's probably thinking, I don't really care what these two girls

say. Yeah, I know all of this stuff may be true. They might not like them, whatever. I just want to be around for as long as I can possibly reround to still enjoy paradise. And as a result, who cares? They can say what they want. Logan and I are going to stick it out until that last week when they're like, are you ready to get engaged? They're both going to be like, nope. And then they'll walk off and they won't miss anything. I think that Kate is there just to be there at this point. I don't see any romance coming from their relationship.

So true. Am I, like evil for thinking that she's funny? Like, again, like I said last week, like, I know what she's saying is very flawed. And you don't. She's keeping it real. She's saying things that she's doing. For her real, yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. But they're not. They're not kind. They might not even be true. Like, they might not even be true. So real in the sense of she's saying things that typically are not said on national television. Precisely. And so it's interesting to watch.

To see each week. It's good TV. Yeah. And she's getting some good one-liners. Yeah. And I wonder if she's, like, at all embarrassed for saying these things. Or she's like, whatever, speaking my feelings, my truth, you know? Yeah.

But obviously, that relationship continues. the two bacheloretts go home that's about as big of an impact as they had this week this week uh it was a little weird uh to have the guys congratulating rachel on the engagement that we know did not last it is you know weird now to see gabby you know so excited and happy and that did not work out either so it is a little bit of a time warp to watch it and you know now knowing what's the aftermath of all this but they showed up to the beach uh At this point in the episode, Ashley, I was watching it on my computer. My wife walks into the room and I said,

sometimes, honey, I feel like I get dumber by watching Paradise. Now, this leads me to the Genevieve and Aaron argument. This was the best part of the show, whole episode. And Wells makes the comment, I think this show is making me dumber. And I would say, and I said, honey, do you hear that? He agrees. My buddy agrees. He just has to be there.

get to pause it and turn it off and go read a book or something. Um, he just has to sit in it. But Ashley, you loved this argument. Oh my God. It was hilarious. Okay.

Let's get Easton and Hana on. Easton, Hana producers. Let's get on and have the argument here. Especially since I don't think Easton saw it. Is Easton around? There he is. I haven't seen a second of this program.

Yeah, I know you haven't seen it. But what I love is that we get to give, um, give the people somebody. somebody's opinion with a neutral perspective. Okay, you ready? Is an itch painful?

No, no, no, it's not the question. The question is, is itch, is having an itch pain? Is having an it? Okay, yeah. It's having an itch pain. A low level of pain. I would say it's discomfort. That's what Chenev have said.

And in some cases, it's pleasure. Scratching is pleasure. Yeah, scratching is pleasure. Okay, Hana. No, I don't think it's pain at all. It's like irritation. Yeah. And I agree with Easton.

It is such pleasure when you itch and it. Scratch an itch to be proper. Now, now here's the scientific explanation. Oh my God, stop. Really? Don't tell me. Right.

Although closely related to paint, itch is a distinct sensation that causes scratching. Recent progress is indicated the existence of an itch-specific neuron circuitry, neuron circuitry formed in part by the MRP expressing something, expressing primary sensory neurons. So, in short, no, it's a sensation. It's not pain. So when Aaron's yelling, it's a fact. It's a fact. It's not a fact.

It's a sensation. Okay. It's not pain. All right. Well, this is, this was a really funny debate. Thanks, guys, for your input. Cases closed. I loved this.

I thought it was just your everyday couple argument. There wasn't that, well, so the thing was, it wasn't an everyday couple argument because, like, in that case, like, Jared and I would be, like, arguing with each other for, like, smiling while doing it and, like, trying to find. definitions that trumped the other persons, but Jennifer was so annoyed and she goes and packs her bags and is rolling

it out to the front of paradise. This is, they are that couple. They are just the dramatic couple that like a stupid fights lead to something too big, and that's why they are forever doomed. There's no way. See, I'm going to disagree with you. Really?

I'm going to disagree with you on something you just said. Okay. Because I get that there's couples where little fights, small things, turn into big things. But this, other than the fact that Genevieve said that Aaron yelled at her, which I wouldn't say he yelled at her, right? Yeah, I mean, maybe it was something we didn't see. Okay. Let's take that out of the equation here. Yeah.

Raise his voice. Whatever. But outside of the reaction, and maybe one of the people within this relationship doesn't like to reaction. this fight never got big it never became personal typically small fights get really detrimental when there's personal attacks thrown when people are damaged personally by the things being said this was literally just a fight about is itching pain there is never it never got bigger than it's not like you're dumb you're stupid yeah always so dumb you're so stupid you don't know anything that was never said it was literally back and forth about itching and pain and so

So I would say, no, this did not become a big thing. I don't know why the bags were packed. I don't know how they're going to function in a world outside of paradise when small little arguments like this make somebody want to leave. Ben, please regale us with a time that you and Jess had an argument so dumb that actually got fired up over because I have an example of me and Jared. You know, Jess and I don't fight. Jessica's a very I don't mean fight we don't fight either of a bicker no but Jessica's more prone

to be a peacemaker like she just doesn't like even the bickering I um it's hard for me to even think of one right now because most of my life uh we I know that she's sensitive to any type of bickering and so we just don't because well then does it boil hurts her this is like is there like an irritation that kind of continues because it's never brought up something? No, we talk, like, we very much talk things through after, if it is any type of argument, there's typically tears, and then there's, like, some breathing room. And then it's, hey, this is where I was coming from.

This is where you were coming from. How do we get to this point? Okay. Okay. Want to hear a stupid argument? Yes, I do. Jared and I did this, made this TikTok, it was a year ago now, that got over four million views. So I think it's our highest watch TikTok that we have.

and it was Jared saying boner alert in response to Tom Brady wearing a backwards hat and I said while we were at the actual Tampa Bay game I go you should make a funny TikTok when we get back to the hotel and you put a backwards hat on or like you watch videos of him and you do the boner alert thing

because it was like a trending sound and then later when we saw it was getting over millions of views I go I'm so glad that I had that idea about bono alert And then he goes, that was not your idea. That was my idea. And we argued about whose idea it was. And I just couldn't fathom how he thought it was his idea. Like maybe he had the idea but never said it out loud or something like that.

But it was like an argument where I was like, holy hell, I'm going to have to get over this. I can't believe how mad I am. And I'm just going to have to drop it because we're never going to come to an agreement on it. But I did. He really had to breathe. So that was our version. That's life with your best friend. Yeah, a Tom Brady boner alert TikTok is our equivalent of itch slash pain.

This is the wildest conversation. It's hilarious to watch. I love the two of them trying to figure this out. And again, they reconcile. They figured out. No harm, no foul. Everybody's back to even. But at this point, Genevieve has got to be sick of packing her bags.

Like, that is not an easy thing to do. it feels like they're just on waiting and on call again i'll say it i think the next time she packs her bag she's gone i said it this time i was wrong i just don't see this couple to the end so let's kind of speed date through the couples that are existing right now actually just give a quick little update um because that's kind of the next segment of this episode as we enter into the dance party uh michael and daniel seem to be doing really well seem to be getting to a place that feels like there's a long-lasting relationship. She wants to say love,

but she's also worried about saying love, but she's feeling it. That's fair. And I wonder if we're going to get, hear him say love by the end of this season because we know he's only said it to Laura before in his past. The other big... Yeah, Brittany and Tyler.

Brittany and Tyler are going strong. Don't see a lot about them. We don't watch them very often on TV. I don't know what it is. I love Brittany so much. Like, I really hold Britney dear. I really liked her, and she's so mature for her age. There's something so special about her that I just feel really protective when watching her,

and I just don't know if he's it. Yeah. Justin and Floop. Sure, but I don't think that's a halfway across the world lasting relationship. Joey and Chenet. I also feel like that is not going to really go very far in the real world. I'll be shocked, yeah, but I could see those. I could see one of those two making it and us all being surprised.

It would be Chenet. Yeah, I could see it be one of those couples that were like, whoa, that's a success story in from Paradise that we did not see coming. Yeah, there's a lot of those. What do you think of Brandon and Serene? I mean, just get married tomorrow. It'll be fine. Yeah, it's going to be great. Like, they could get married right there on the beach,

and I wouldn't even be concerned about them not even experiencing real life together. No, very much. Yeah. Very, very much in love. And at this point, we have NC and Andrew. Obviously, anybody that's listening to this podcast has watched the episode. But at this point, we're feeling like there's excitement or just something new to me. Can we talk about just how funny this whole thing is?

with NC and Andrew at the end of the episode. Like, this is where we are, right? We have to talk about the most unbelievable moment I've seen in quite some time on TV. Yeah, we have some strong opinions on that. The final couple is Kate and Logan. Kate and Logan, also doomed, doomed. Doomed. Hi, my name is Enya Emanzor.

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So can we go on to Encee now? No. No. You're in teasing on this? We do have to say that is short and as sweet and is, I mean, I love these two people, but I have no clue why Beck and Thomas arrived in paradise. Smallest cameo of all time.

I don't get it. I don't know what the show. show was thinking it was going to happen, but Beck and Thomas do arrive in Paradise. They are a great success story from Paradise. They should be highlighted. I think they're both tremendous and I care about them both. But yeah, they came. They left. I think they're at the dance party. Yeah, I think so. But they held no mentor role. I thought they were going to go and do a date with somebody. I don't know, but no, nothing. So anyway, we get to the party and the party is a 90s theme, which is really cool, but there's only one thing that we have so far seen that

happens at the party that is monumental. And we're not going to talk about it yet. We're going to talk about the dance off. Why are you doing this to me? The dance off was so fantastic. The guys, it's the girls. The costumes were great. The party was was fantastic. I'm sure this is a very fun event for everybody. And now, Ashley, I will allow us to talk about NC Andrew and Justineya. Okay, so Gisena pulls Andrew aside and she doesn't really have much of an argument. She's telling Andrew and you know it's because she feels bad about the situation that she's in with him, which is basically like no longer a situation ship.

It's just they're broken up. She's like, I just feel like you're not here for basically like the wrong. I think you're here for the wrong reasons at this point. Like you're just not really connecting with people. like you have dated now you're on your fourth person and it's just not like clicking for you and we really just are wondering why you're like breezing by like maybe you shouldn't be here anymore am i summarizing that properly yeah i mean i think she i got the feeling watching it that like she definitely was hurting oh 1,000 percent to and i'm going to say this word

And I don't think, I think it's going to be too strong, but she was definitely manipulating the situation. But like, not an evil way. No, no, exactly. That's why I said it's too strong. Yeah, but I get it. But she was hurting. So she was communicating this pain to him without telling him that she's just hurting.

Yeah. And instead it came off as her trying to convince him that he's messing up and that she's just worried about him. She was like, let me get this straight. This is you. not me right yeah it's kind of similar to when somebody says you look tired oh like what you really want to tell me is i look terrible yeah but you're trying to manipulate to sound a little better yeah so that it's not so offensive but it's just as offensive yeah so i'm assuming Andrew even though

he did handle himself well i do have some critiques as usual um about how he handled it but he did handle himself well he was patient he was fair he was very kind given but i'm sure inside his blood is boiling because he knows where this is coming from and he knows how confused he already is and i'm sure he's just sitting there being like i just want this to stop because this feels unhealthy now here's my critique of andrew i think he's a great dude great smile a lot of energy um he says dude to women way too much. Oh my gosh. I know. It's awful. But you also know he doesn't really like them if he's calling them dude. Do you think? I don't know. I mean, there's moments where I'm sitting at the dinner table with Jess and I'm like, dude, watch this. I'm like, I'm sorry. That was weird.

It's just like, I want you to see this video and it just came out that way because I was excited. He just repeatedly says it. Like, it is greeting to women is come on, dude. I know. I know. Like, and I just don't think that fits. It feels weird. But that's my critique of me, Andrew. Okay, that's it. That's what I want to say. I just also wanted to say that, like, Gisena is trying, I don't think it's fair to say, like, just because you haven't found a love in paradise, you have to go. Like, who says that you have to, like, you can't, like, be in like with multiple people? She was saying it's, like, not right. It's not right for you to be here anymore, because, like, you've only found like here. And you've kind of, like, gotten through every

rose ceremony because people like you. But, like, you're not in. love you know what i mean i just but again it's the it's it's it's not me it's you right the situation and like and we get it but the most dramatic thing that's ever happened or at least in a while is the fact that nc comes up to him in the middle of this conversation insisting that this isn't out of like insecurity but she's like this is so wrong like i'm gonna pull you aside can i pull you aside and she's and he's like no no no no like this is important like i really need to communicate this with her. Respectable, love that.

He said that. But then she is like, if you don't come with me, I'm going to be like really over this. And then just then he's like, well, you're giving him an ultimatum. That's really attractive. And I think Enzi just must have been really drunk to act the way that she does in that scene and then the forthcoming. Yeah, I mean, something has to be going on because, um, it's paradise you're going to see people talk to other people and their conversation was not romantic their conversation was a yard apart they weren't touching there was no smiles no flirting

coldness yeah in fact if i was in si i'd be like you let that exist because this is better for me like you do that thing i'll be sitting on the sidelines waiting for you to come back it was weird it was it was dramatic i'm pro i i'm not proud because that makes it sound like i would have done I would have never done this. I'm not smart enough. But the way Andrew handled it with NC afterwards, when he said, here's really, you know, in summary, I'm not going to get it perfect,

but he said something along the lines of I'm looking for a partner that allows me to care for people where they're at. I know. Justine was hurting. She needed to talk to me. And I'm looking for partners to support me because that's just who I am. Yeah.

That is a really, like, wise, thoughtful, vulnerable thing. to say and I get it and I think for him no matter what NC's like sobriety was or what was happening behind the scenes I'm assuming that was his deal breaker like when he heard that and saw that at that moment he said this is not my partner this is not this is not who I want to be this is not the partner I need to support me because my whole life and you can just tell with Andrew his whole life is probably sitting in the difficult situations with people, helping them walk through it, but also standing up for the things he believes in. And he needs a partner to get beside him and alongside of him and lead him in that. And so I thought that was a great statement. I loved that

moment. Yeah. And it clarified, you know, why he was so turned off. And I think he obviously wasn't really like that invested in his relationship with her but that said he did say like this night and how everything unfolded makes me feel like i have to leave now like we have basically no future and he said that in as nice of way as possible and then the amount of times i've done i've done cringy things on the show before and um and this was up there this this this pegging this please andrew please please please please saying please 20 times yeah hard to watch it was cringy um And I'm going to give her the benefit of the doubt and say that she probably was just like a little bit. She probably, you know, she was feeling desperate.

She was not thinking how it was going to come across on TV. But, yeah, it was rough. It was, it was begging. It was true begging. Like, I don't know if I've ever seen before on Bachelor franchise. And why? Why do you think that was? Do you think she really cared about him that much and really saw a future with Andrew and really wanted him there?

Or was it an embarrassing thing for her where she realized that she oversle that she oversaw? step and didn't realize the repercussions from overstepping. Where do you think that was coming from? I think that she has a big crush on Andrew. And I also think that she did the show again. And she just had a whole different thought of it unfolding. And I think she just thought it would be more successful than the first time around. She did make a mention of this in the exit vehicle.

And yeah, I think that basically it was just like her feeling like she failed. Like she made a stupid mistake and then failed. that's too bad i don't like that for no it is sad two last things uh one is another embarrassing moment for insie uh where she has a snot bubble on her lip that's not that oh it was on her lip i think so wait why didn't i see that i didn't make that out why they show it oh no it's so why do they show it it it's too bad um and then why do we talk about it here on the podcast to rub it in i don't know and then uh but we've all been there uh that's human that happens that happens And we'll close this episode today talking about what Andrew's ultimate excuse for leaving was

is that he's still very much his hearts with Teddy. That relationship ended eons ago. I mean, it doesn't even feel like the same season. He's been there since then. He's found some relationships since then. Do you see a future with Teddy and Andrew? Do you think she's going to be interested in trying it again outside of Paradise? and then are you surprised that that his heart was still so much there

it's so sad that his heart was so much there I know that based on like what Teddy said on Instagram a couple months like maybe a couple weeks ago she said something about like alluding to the show just not being like her ideal place to be right I have a theory that maybe they are trying to rekindle in real life and she really just didn't want to date him there I also

and very anxious for the reunion show to see where they are today. Yeah. And yeah, I don't know. That's basically my thoughts on it. What about you? I think they could make it work. Yeah.

I think there's been enough flirting going on on social media. Oh, is there? Well, over the last year, like before the show. Yeah. Where he was saying how interested he was in her, that I could see them going on a few dates. I don't know if it's going to work or not.

Yeah. You didn't get to see enough of their relationship to see their chemistry. But he obviously went into paradise. I would believe solely focused that this was his shot to meet Teddy and to be with Teddy. And so I hope they at least give it a date. I think they will have something in real life. Do we know how close they are in proximity?

I don't. I know. I know he's in Chicago. But I don't know where he lives. But it was a dramatic, also emotional. And I will say embarrassing. ending to the show. I don't think Enzi's probably watching this episode being like

that was my greatest moment and I'm really happy it happened and I don't feel weird watching it. I'm sure it's hard. What's cringier? Her interruption of Gisania or the please, please, please, please. I would say the interruption of the Giacenia. I mean, the

please, please, please, I think came out of desperation of knowing that like the interruption caused repercussion that she didn't want. I thought the way she handled that was unfair to both. And I don't probably believe that's who she wants to be. And so she watches it back and says, gosh, when somebody's having a really difficult conversation, I don't need to step in the middle of it. And that's not who I am. And it's not who I want to be in the future.

And so that's what I would say. It wasn't, it wasn't like super fun for me to watch. It was kind of hard. Yeah. And it was also a little frustrating because I'm sitting there going, all you have to do NC is going in and dance and let Andrew come inside and this is all fine. Well, they were never going to work out, but Enzi could have been a little less had a little less on TV, you know? I agree. All right. We're moving into, they keep teasing it.

Engagements are coming. They're coming. They're happening. They say it every week. The last two weeks. Let's see when they happen. But we'll be back next week covering both episodes. of Bachelor in Paradise.

But until next time, I've been Ben. I've been Ashley. Bye, guys. Follow the Ben and Ashley I, almost famous podcast on IHeartRadio, or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts. Hi, my name is Enya Emanzor. And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom.

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