The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Two Loves of Your Life with Kym Douglas and Tim Robertson

Episode Date: January 31, 2026

How many loves do we get in a lifetime? TV Host Kym Douglas and her husband Tim join Jennie Garth to share their love story.After both losing their spouses of over 30 years, Kym and Tim found a kismet connection in chapter two that will make you believe that you can never give up on love!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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My guest today is living proof that you should never give up on finding love. She's a television host, beauty and lifestyle expert, author, and co-host of the podcast, God's Table, Hollywood. Please welcome Kim Douglas and her husband, Tim Robertson, to the pod. Kim, you have lived such a full life of love and loss, and I just want our listeners to get to know sort of your chapter one. before we dive into your beautiful chapter two. Aw. So can you tell us a little bit about your first marriage? Yes, absolutely.

So I was a news anchor in upstate Michigan. I always put the mitten up and it was up here, way up here. And it was my first interview out of college. And I interviewed an actor, much like yourself, from a show called The Young and the Restless. He played a character named John Abbott. it. And he was my first interview and the joke goes, thank God I didn't interview Charles Manson or Chuck Echekker because I would have been married to them and it was a good interview and blah,

blah, blah. Anyway, we were married very shortly after that interview. And he was a lot older than I was. And at our wedding, they were making bets that we would last six months. So he ended up being married for 37 years. And we had one child, Hunter. And he lives in Los Angeles. He's 28. He's in finance. And I had a beautiful marriage. And he was a wonderful husband and a great father. And he passed away almost four years ago of throat cancer. Yes. And I thought my life was over and the best was behind me and that you get one love in your life. And it just, it was hard. it was bad. I went through cancer myself. And the Ellen show, as you mentioned, when we first got on, she ended up ending her show. So I had all these endings that happened. And I didn't think there'd be

any new beginnings. Right. Yeah. Healing and moving forward seems so unimaginable after a loss like that, like all of those. I'm curious, did you and your first husband have conversations about what he wanted for you after he passed? Like, did he want you to find love again? That's really funny. And I wonder if Tim went through this too, although his was much faster. Because Jerry's was a five-year battle and they didn't diagnose him correctly toward the very end, we had a long time to go through, you know, how this was going to be. And so what's really interesting, Jenny, is that that he would say, I don't want anybody else to be with you. You know, I just want it to have been me.

But then he said, but I don't want to be selfish. And you're so much younger than I am and you have so much more life left. I do, I do want you to have love again. So it was that, you know, I'm not trying to say like he was so altruistic. It was like, go off and find love. Yeah. But by the same token. He wasn't selfish either and knew that I had a whole life ahead of me.

That's nice. Tim, I would love to hear a little bit more about your chapter one as well. How long were you married to your first wife? I was married to my college sweetheart. Married 47 years. Wow. Great marriage. Yeah, we had wonderful marriage, five children.

Five children. And now 17. grandchildren. Yeah. And it's pretty crazy. Yeah, life around this house is nuts. And, you know, Kim had one child. She said she always wanted a bigger family.

Well, she got one. She got one. She had one. So, anyway, we have one. So, but it was, she was a picture of health. She was a very strong athlete. And had played, in those days, it wasn't D. One, it was the NIA or whatever they called it.

But she played top-level sports in college. And she was diagnosed with pancreatic cancer, and it was kind of a shock. And we went through a blitz of going to everywhere from, you know, the best cancer center, M.D. Anderson and Houston and all these places. But that's one of the cancers that is one of the most deadly. And from the time she was diagnosed to the time. she finally died was about three months. We really didn't have a lot of time to sort of figure it all out.

But anyway, we had a great marriage. And I think the thing that buoyed both of us and it was strengthened both of us was we had an extraordinary faith. And I think that's one of the things that sort of brought Kim and me together as well. Yes. How did you two meet? We met because I was doing a business deal with a former associate of mine in Los Angeles. And I get this strange text one day. And he says, do you mind if I call you about something of personal matter?

And I thought, you're my friend. We've been known you've known you for 20-some years. You can call me anytime you want to call me up that schedule of a long call with me. And anyhow, so he calls us, you know, I was at this gathering of women last night, picking up my wife and in front of the car in front of the headlights my wife walked in front of them with another lady and i i just literally heard like a a physical voice say Tim Robertson needs to meet her and i was like what i said oh come on you know and um you know i've been around a lot of faith stuff and when people start saying they hear

from God, I kind of go, you know, well, that's great for you, but I want to hear too. Yeah, when God tells me that, that's cool. But anyhow, I had a reason to go to L.A. because we were doing this business deal, and he said, well, let me arrange a meeting. I said, oh, okay, I don't know, you know. When you say meeting, you mean like a date? Well, it was like, I said, I don't want a date. Wait, but he said, wait, Jenny, because you will relate to this. He didn't want to meet a blonde actress from home.

Goodness. You know what? Hello. I really can't blame you. I'm sorry. No, I know. I had, anyhow, we ended up arranging for a lunch meeting. I thought lunch is safe, you know. Right, right. Coffee would be even better, but, you know, it's okay. Oh, no. You might have to go because things aren't working out. Well, there were five of us at this lunch, and the only person I could see was Kim. And I just walked in with her and we just kind of, we connected on multiple levels. And it's funny because the other folks said, that was weird. You know, it's like we weren't even in the room.

Oh, I love that. I love that. So you guys had instant feelings right away. We did. It was. You did too, Kim. I love that. Yeah.

And Jenny, here's a picture. I don't know if you can see it very well. Yes. That is our wedding picture. Oh, my goodness. You clean up so nicely. Oh, thank you. You have no idea where I just came from.

But anyway, we're getting to that later. Yeah. So I was supposed to go home the next day, and I ended up extending my stay a few days. And Kim was able to take her to dinner. And then we actually went to the big show, the Christmas pageant, which is sort of the City of Angels Christmas concert. And with my son and his three kids. So I brought her right into introducing her to the family right off the bat.

Okay, if she can handle this crowd, you know, it would be great. And she did. They all fell in love with her. And so did I. Was there anything that held you back from sort of going that quickly? Or was you both like, just let's go? You know, when you get a certain age. Yeah.

It's like, you know. We waiting for. I don't have any. I don't want to waste time. Yeah. Yeah. And you get to a point, especially when you've experienced. loss, you realize just how precious every moment is. And I, you know, so we met in December.

We were married in March. Yeah. Incredible. You guys sound like me and my husband. We did it really fast too. Kim, what did you think of him when you met him? What did you think of Tim? You know, I, so Tim is the opposite of me as far as social media, Jenny. So, you know, I was looking at his Instagram. He didn't have one. I was looking at Facebook. He's not on it. I'm like, who is this guy? Like, you know, everybody we know is on, you know.

And then I, you know, did a little. You are, but I mean, you have like two pictures of your grandchildren. It's like, you know, that's not being on Facebook. I kind of like it. Yeah, I know. I know. I did too secretly. And then I looked him up on the internet and he's very, very private. which I also love because my life is so in front of the camera.

And so the minute I met him, I really did feel a spark. And I don't know how to explain this, but I met him and he exudes integrity and elegance and just a kind of an interior strength that is very hard to find in our town and in our business. In the middle of the night, Sasquia awoke in a haze. Her husband, Mike, was on his laptop. What was on his screen would change Saskia's life forever. I said, I need you to tell me exactly what you're doing. And immediately, the mask came off.

You're supposed to be safe. That's your home. That's your husband. to keep this secret for so many years. He's like a seasoned pro. This is a story about the end of a marriage, but it's also the story of one woman who was done living in the dark.

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I had actually, I had a very, very unfortunate relationship that was very short-lived. Oh, let's go into Jim's dating before me, Jenny. I really do want to. I'm curious. Oh, let's talk about it. And I thought this, you know, this whole deal isn't going to work. Yeah. You don't want to date anymore after that.

No, it's just not going to work. And, you know, it wasn't like, you know, I, you know, I never went to. The thing never progressed, okay? But it was just, I just got a dose of crazy. And I thought, I don't need it anymore crazy. and, you know, I don't need a lot of, you know, I'm just, I'm good. You're done, yeah. I'm good.

My life is fine. You know, I've got my grandkids. I got my kids. I got a great life. I got a nice place. You know, all this stuff. And every now and then I go out in the woods and kind of play life. And I don't know how you feel about, I hope you're not a pet a person, but I do ended up,

I like to hunt. So I do. And, you know, so that's what I do. So I'm wearing, I'm wearing camouflage, Jenny, and I know this is a podcast, and you can't really, but we were just out in Pungo, which is an area away, you know, kind of a small area. You have head to toe camouflage. I'm in head to toe camouflage. And you know me. You know me.

You know that. She's a great sport. It's literally 30 degrees here. It is. We were out in nature. It's the first time she's ever gone with me to do this. Yep. And she actually had a good time until the sun went down.

It's like, uh-oh, get me out of here. You're very brave. I am very brave. You're right. So you guys decided to get married after just three months of dating. Same exact story as my husband and me. Really? Yes.

But were there people in your lives, like your kids or anyone that was skeptical? Or did you just get support from everyone? My, your kids were. My kids were originally supported. And that was what was really great. Yeah. Because, you know, I've got four daughters. And, I mean, they're, first of all, I mean, you know, my, my late wife was spectacular.

And they all love her dearly. And, you know, they were like, oh, you know, I don't know, dad, you know, this kind of stuff. But when they met Kim, they just said, this is, she's just fabulous. And she makes you happy. And they wanted me to be happy. They did. They wanted him. When they saw the interaction between the two of us and so that whole dynamic, they're like,

Dad, this is great. You know, this is just great. And they're all in love with her. All the grandkids think she's the greatest thing ever. Aw. What about my son? I have an only child son, Jenny. And he said, Mom, are you crazy?

What are you doing? Are you out of your mind? Like, what are you doing? You know, this man in Virginia, you've only known him. What are you? And so he was protective, you know, loving and protective. Once he met him, because we did have a whirlwind romance and we would meet in different places. And always with chaperones, he'd always bring other couples with us and before we were married.

And, you know, Hunter didn't get a chance to meet him. So when he did, that was when he knew for sure. But, you know, until the very end, he was like, Mom, are you sure? Is this, you know, and I understand. He was protecting. Yeah. Well, I invited Kim to join me on a trip over New Year's. And so I called Hunter.

I said, Hunter, I just want you to know, I have nothing but honorable intentions toward your mother. And I hope it's okay with you if she comes and joins me. And I think he was a little surprised about that. He was. It really was that Tim would call. That was a little bit of role reversal. Yeah, I'm getting.

Right. I like that, though. So since you've both lost your spouses, which I'm very sorry for you guys, what kind of bond or foundation did that have for your new relationship together? I think it was everything because we both came from very strong, loving, solid marriages. So neither of us were willing to settle for anything. less. And I did tell Tim, you know, I did go out on a few dates with some girlfriends that would set me up with people in our town. And, you know, one of the first red flags would be I would sit down with a man and we would ask, you know, about our backgrounds. And he would say, oh, my ex-wife, she is such a witch. You can't believe. And right away, I knew we didn't have anything in common. That's a red flag. How about you? Yeah, and not to say anything negative about folks who've been divorced because there are a lot of reasons they do.

True. True. People who've been divorced have some scars and they bring some baggage. Not that we don't. We don't. But there's a trust factor that is, may not, it's just different. And I'm not saying what's good or bad, but it's different. And I think there are a lot of data that shows that people who have lost spouses, as opposed to people who have been separated or divorced, are, first of all, much more eager to be remarried and much more willing to trust people.

And that's certainly our case. I had a very, very happy marriage, and I'd like being married. Yes. So, you know, and I kind of, I hope that maybe, you know, you know, got. I would give me a chance to do it again. And he did. So here we are. And he did.

And he did. What a lucky guy you are. No, no. How does marriage in Chapter 2 look or feel different than Chapter 1? I mean, do you have different values or things that are important to you, more important to you the second time around? Well, you've said this to me a couple of times. And he said, and I don't think this is the case, but for both of us, anything that we did do in our first marriages, like, for instance, when you're married 27 years or 47 years,

oh, 37 for me, 47 for him. You know, there becomes... You're only 37 years. Thank you. Thank you, I. But, Jenny, honestly... One of those Appalachian places where you can get married at 10 years old. Look, you two are so adorable.

I can't take it. But, you know what we said is that after... many, many years and you may have found this too. You know, sometimes you take your spouse for granted or you may not say, oh my gosh, you're so handsome. Why are you so cute? You know, it's been so many years. And I think we both feel like, you know what, we're going to do that all the time

with each other. We realize how fragile life is now. And we don't have that many years. We have less years to be together. My kids are like, Dad, what happened? you're so nice. You're like, I'm a happy man. Yes.

That's what love will do to you. Yeah, right? But I think there's a situation where you get to the point where because you've had low odds, this whole deal becomes a, you just appreciate it. You appreciate the new thing. Right. And you, and you, and so, you know, that I think, you know, when you, when you've been with somebody as long as both of us were, you know, there are patterns you develop. There's a little bit of scar tissue that builds up because, you know, it's not.

And so you don't ever want to take anybody for granted, but sometimes you do a little bit. And that's the thing with me. I've learned, you know, you can't take anything for granted. You can't take any day for granted. you don't know what's going to happen tomorrow. And so we just want to be appreciative of everything we have every day. Yeah. And beyond that, we also want to express that appreciation to each other every day.

And, you know, I think, you know, with my wonderful wife, Lisa, I probably didn't appreciate her as much as I should have. I mean, she knew I did. I knew she did. But now I'm a lot more verbal about it. And so, you know, It's a good thing. Yeah, that's really a beautiful thing, actually.

It is. When you really understand the value of what you are blessed to have in your life, you know? Yes. And like you said, you don't take it for granted. Mm-mm. In the middle of the night, Saskia awoke in a haze. Her husband, Mike, was on his laptop. What was on his screen would change Saskia's life forever.

I said, I need you to tell me exactly. what you're doing. And immediately, the mask came off. You're supposed to be safe. That's your home. That's your husband. So keep this secret for so many years. He's like a seasoned pro.

This is a story about the end of a marriage. But it's also the story of one woman who was done living in the dark. dangerous person who prays on vulnerable and trusting people. Your creditor might go up and good. Listen to Betrayal Season 5 on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hey there, this is Dr. Jesse Mills, director of the men's clinic at UCLA Health and host of the mailroom podcast. Each January guys everywhere make the same resolutions.

Get stronger, work harder, fix what's broken. But what if the real work isn't physical at all? Kick off the new year I sat down with Dr. Steve Polter, a psychologist with over 30 years' experience, helping men unpack shame, anxiety, and emotional pain they were never taught the name. In a powerful two-part conversation, we discuss why men aren't emotionally bulletproof, why shame hides in plain sight, and how real strength comes from listening to yourself and to others. Guys who are toxic, they're immature, or they've got something they just haven't resolved. Once that gets resolved, then there comes empathy, and some compassion.

If you want this to be the year you stop powering through pain and start understanding what's underneath, listen to the mailroom on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your favorite shows. This show contains information subject to, but not limited to personal takes, rumors, not so accurate stats, and plenty more.

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He ain't too far behind. He did all this talk. What Matthew Stafford is doing statistically, bro. It's crazy. Bro, you know I ain't no Josh Allen fan. But Matthew Stafford got. Better weapon. Caleb Williams.

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He's doing this. Be looking for this deer. I also love doing it on my own. I love going out there and saying running my cameras. I love patterning in the deer. I like showing up at the right time, checking the wind, knowing what stand I need to be in. And then whenever it all comes together and it happens, that's the most satisfying thing ever. So when you do it on your own, it's like, I then can hang my hat.

But if I had somebody say, hey, pull up on these dots and catch them right here and you're going to win. And then when I go win, it's like, yeah, it's cool. I won the tournament, the ultimate goal is done. But it's like, dude, when you find them and you make them bite, that's the puzzle. I love it. Listen to lines and times with Spencer Graves on the IHard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Kim, I know you were diagnosed with bread's cancer. How old were you at that time?

It was eight years ago, and I'm 66 today. Okay. Not that long ago. Not that long ago, but eight years completely cancer-free and clean and healthy. And yeah, it was quite the journey. Do you think that changed your perspective on life? Because you had lost your first husband. Now you have breast cancer.

You're fighting. You're battling breast cancer. And then how long have you all been married since 2025? Going up one year. Yeah. We're not quite a year yet. Okay. That makes sense.

But you were battling this on your own. Uh-huh. I was. and I think it changes you. You know, it was hard for me because after I had gone through, so I was doing beauty, as we talked about before we came on the air, on the Ellen show. And I had none.

I had lost all my hair. I lost my eyebrows, my eyelashes. I was green in my skin tone. And I had lost 17 pounds in about six weeks because of, the drugs. So here I'm talking about beauty and you know, right. And it was very difficult to go on and talk about surface things when you're going through such a depth of fighting for your life. And I do think it changed me a lot after that because I really did want to make a difference. And I wanted to have a deeper,

richer purpose. And after Jerry's passing, I did pray for that. And, I really believe that this man right here is the answer to that. And he just was, you know, he has such a great purpose in his life. He lives his life in such a way of giving back to others and doing enormous charity and philanthropic work. He goes to Africa and Tanzania. We went for our honeymoon to Tanzania and we were with the Maasai people. And there are a group of people that have no internet, don't want to do anything regardless.

you know, computers. And it was really so refreshing. And it was what I had really wanted and prayed for after going through cancer to have a deeper meaning and do more with my life. I can imagine it became less fulfilling to talk about that superficial beauty stuff. Yeah. At that point, do you think you'll ever return to that space? Or are you still, are you back in that space? I mean, you are a beautiful, I don't care if you're, What was that story? You like so much?

Oh, Sephora. Yeah. I was learning for brandy all. You know, I, yeah, I mean, never mind, Tim. Never mind. You know what I think that. You should see the amount of brushes she has in her thing. I mean, it's like, what?

You don't understand. It takes a lot of work, Tim. Exactly. Do you think this just happened? Right. No, but honestly, we are in the process of writing a book about our story and about loss and grief and age and to never give up hope and that love is always right around the corner no matter how old you are. And it's really going to be a beautiful story. But by the same token, I know that people do know me from the beauty space.

And I think talking about beauty and keeping yourself looking your very best is really important too. For sure. It's self-care. It's very important how we take care of ourselves, how we want to show up in the world and for the people that we love around us. Exactly. Yeah, yeah. I'm never going to get a spray tent, Jenny. I want him to get a spray tan. Would he not look better with a spray tan? Everybody does look better with a spray tank. I'm not doing that. Okay. You know what? I back that. I'm okay with that.

Sorry, Kim. Sorry. Maybe he'll let you put lotion, the tanning lotion. Or a bronzer. Oh, Lord. Well, I have to say, it wasn't, you know, all for nothing. I told you before we were on the air that you brought me so many giggles whenever I saw you in any segment, whether it was on the news or on Ellen or wherever

it was. So your work was important. Thank you. In just a different way. I love that you're focusing now and writing this book together. And I think that readers are really going to love it. Have you titled it yet? Well, we have a working title.

We're working on it. Love after loss. And, you know, but then we're going to have a little bit more. And yeah, I think it's important that we share our story with others and that people do see that, you know, there is life after terrible loss and grief and whatever your loss is. If it's the loss of a home with the fires that we've been akin to in Los Angeles or a job or, God forbid, a child or a marriage, you know, or even your breasts, whatever it is, you can overcome it. And our faith was our foundation. Are you living in Los Angeles and Virginia now?

Yes. Okay. Bicostal almost. Yeah. That's great. How do you both or do you both? still honor or, I guess, think about, visit, whatever it is for you, your late husband and wife. Do you do that separately? Do you do that together? Well, you know, we just went through Christmas

and one of the things that we did, Tim's late wife passed away around the Christmas season, which made it extra hard. And we were putting up the Christmas tree. And we were putting up the Christmas tree. And we were doing it together and he came across a box of ornaments. And one was a beautiful ornament that had Lisa's name on it and had been made for her. And he so sweetly said, you know, this was an ornament that was recently given to Lisa. And I don't want to make you feel uncomfortable at all. So I'm going to put it back away and keep it. And I said, let's not.

Let's open it back up. and let's put it on the center of the tree because first off, this is, she built this family with Tim, and they built the five children and the beautiful home. And I feel, and I really mean this, I know it sounds all, you know, cheesy or whatever, but I feel privileged to be a part of this family that Tim and Lisa built and these beautiful children. And I want her always to have a place of prominence in our lives. I really do. And she made him happy for 47 years.

So I want to always thank her. That's so beautiful. That really got me. And the same with Jerry. And so, you know, because Hunter, you know, he's his dad, right? And so it's very important. Yeah. You know, you still forget on them.

But at the same time, we're building a new life together. So, you know, it's, you know, we just kind of. deal with it. Yeah. What would you say to anyone listening out there right now who is grieving the loss of a spouse and thinks that there is no future for them as far as another relationship or another love of their life? I would say it's hard. But I was able to bounce back maybe a little more quickly than a lot of people. And in my case, I would really pretty pretty devastated. Because right to the very end,

you asked Kim the question, you know, did the Jerry say it's okay, you know, find somebody later? We never had that conversation because right to literally the day Lisa passed away, she was still doing the chemo treatment. And we were thinking she's going to get through it.

So we never had a discussion about, well, I'm going, goodbye kind of thing. And, you know, because she, I read to the, very end, it's like, no, you're not going anywhere. Yeah. So, and so I was pretty devastated. And I also was kind of like, what's the deal here, you know, and I mean, I've been a very strong Christian, literally all my life, but I was sort of like question, well, God, why in the world you take her? I mean, we just got to a point

where we're having sort of fun, you know, and, you know, we did a lot of trips together. We, you know, we, you know, fairly exotic stuff, and it was really a lot of fun. we're having a great time. Now, she's gone. I'm all, you know, well, I'm not by myself, though, my family, but they're not here. And I, um, I began a much more intense study of the Bible than I had up to that point. And I really started reading through the Psalms. And I read through the Psalms.

And it, it's almost like I suddenly had this sort of one called a revelation. That's a little too strong. but I realized that the grief was fine. You have to grieve. But then I began to really appreciate the life we had had. And the grief really moved over and became joy because I really began to become more and more thankful for what we had experienced together.

And that was more important to me than feeling sorry for myself. It's gone. Staying in. When they say that, yes, stay in it. The gratitude is what moves you forward. It really is. And that was a huge thing for me. And as I moved into the sort of the gratitude stage, it just was able to make me open to sort of a home news series of things.

And, you know, she does that to me. She has to say. You got, seriously. That's not a pot belly. It's got a wrinkle in. No. I would say for others. But, you know, but, you know, but I would say for others.

You know, well, I mean, that's for other people, I would say the same thing. Yeah. You know, look back on it and start focusing on the good stuff and the fun and the joy and and just be thankful for what you had because, you know, a lot of people never even get that. That's right. And so if you look back and say, yeah, God, you know, you know, you. you gave me this great time with whomever it is. And thank you for it.

It gives you the ability to sort of move on and, you know, and I realized I needed to move on. So I, you know, a couple of false starts, but that's all right. Oh, shall we go back there? Let's go back there. I don't think he wants to. He's like, he doesn't. I'm going to happen.

I just like to do this. You two are just adorable. I'm beyond. Happy for you. Thank you both so much for coming on to share your love story and why you should never give up on finding love at any age or any stage of life. That's right. Absolutely.

That's our motto and we want to share that. So just never give up. It's always right around the corner. Beautiful. Thank you so much for hanging out with me. Thank you. I love it. Wonderful.

Thank you. I hope to see you soon, Kim. All right, honey. Bye-bye. Do you have an I-do part two story you want to share? Call us or email us. All the info is in the show notes. Follow us on socials.

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