The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Villain Behavior with Victoria Larson

Episode Date: March 21, 2025

What’s it like to be a “villain”? Ben and Ashley are checking in with Victoria Larson from Matt James’ season for a no-limits conversation about her time on reality TV. Victoria holds nothing back when sharing the details of how producers affect what happens in the show, and we hear the true origin of “Queen Victoria”.   Plus, she gives us a behind the scenes look at “House of Villains”!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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E and now we wanted to have her back to talk about Matt James since you know he's been a hot topic lately and specifically this TikTok that she released about Bachelor production manipulating her. Okay. I did thank you for having me and yeah I just post on my TikTok so casually without thinking and then I'm like oops people are watching. Does that happen to you guys? Like you forget. No, I never forget. I'm scared always. I just don't post.

I never, I never do anything. I'm overthoughtful about it. Yeah. I will say this. Ben was talking about how not just how one of our closest executive producers seems to be on the outs this month. But a lot, basically anyone that we knew from our time on The Bachelor might be gone after I heard that. This coming finale.

And I have then zero ties. And no one to, I don't care about talking as much if there's nobody there that I truly care about. Out of you. Not that they, I really have much tea to spill. But like if I, and especially not about my experience.

However, if I see certain things now watching the show, like I'll feel a little bit more fruit of comment. Well, and I'm glad. say like your experience too because whenever people ask me like oh how is it on the bachelor i'm like well my experience was this like each person has a totally different experience so right but yeah and i've i've seen things going around now like some girl you know whoever was the villain this year

kind of went through the ringer um but i haven't followed enough so i have i kind of want to go into the psychological sides of your tic-tok okay um because when And I could be wrong. I want to talk this through with you because I want to try to get to an understanding of how somebody becomes a villain. I think we talked in December about the villain on my season

was Olivia Creedy. And I think it was very unfair to her. Just not who she is. And, but you, okay, so you said you were manipulated, I think, to be the villain because you wanted screen time. If I remember in December, though,

you kind of own that. You, like, kind of own the scene. screen time idea that you like to be on TV. You obviously agree to go on House of Villains with the title of villains. And so I want to get an understanding of why this TikTok came out now. Well, okay, maybe manipulated is a strong word, but it wasn't meant in a malicious way. It's just, it was a TikTok trend. Like I just threw something up.

Oh, Manipulated was a TikTok? trend? No, like the trend was the sound. Okay. And then you put it with like, like the trend was you're so funny. Here's a horrible experience I went through and like, you know, that was the trend. So yeah, I think that's why I put it up. And I think as in December when I was on House of Villains, I was embracing that role, rolling with the punches. And I don't know. It just wasn't a serious TikTok. and then it got a little bit blown up okay so that this helps so you this wasn't kind of a tell-all let's it's wild timing so I think yeah the audience is watching this and saying okay

Victoria you're calling them out at a time when articles are getting released yeah exactly that it's an unhealthy work I had no idea guys I actually do live under a rock with the bachelor stuff like I'm not tuned in it's i saw the matt and rachel think from call her daddy but like bachelor news i really i'm not tuned in okay so let me update you because i want to get your thoughts now about at the same time that your ticot came out uh they pretty much are well the executive producers of the bachelor have now left they are no longer working on the show and when ashley said there's nobody really on the show that you would know in terms of production that is going to probably become a very true statement in a week.

We don't know how many people have been let go or have left. I had heard of that because one of my producers from House of Villains is now doing Paradise. So, like, I hear talks about it, but I didn't know there was, like, articles. Like, I just know private conversations. So it was great timing. And I thought that would, my questions were leading into, I thought this was maybe a time where you said, okay, if staff is speaking up about an unhealthy working environment, Maybe I will speak up about my experience on the show and let people know what it's like to be a cast member who is cast or at least produced to be a villain.

No, actually, not at all. Like, complete coincidence. Like, who, she was just doing a trend, guys. Yeah, I was wondering why it went viral, but now it makes sense. I had done Pilates with someone. So since we last talked, I was going to get back into aviation. I randomly got back into Pilates. was coaching a client.

And I'm like, yeah, none of my things go viral. And he does marketing. He's like, well, you have to comment back to people to, like, boost the algorithm. So I thought that's why I still had no idea until you guys just told me. But that makes sense. What's your reaction then? I mean, you just found out that it went viral because it was a great video. I don't want to take it away from you that it wasn't a viral worthy video.

But now that you know the context at which it was posted and you're finding this out in real time. I'd love to hear your real time thoughts on how this is all looking. I mean, I don't know. I guess change is always inevitable, and I believe change is good. And I think that I personally, as a viewer of TV, don't enjoy toxic drama anymore. Like, I used to love the housewives. I can't even watch it anymore. I don't feel good after watching that type of show. And I do know a lot of the comments I got, where, you know, like you're taking away from Matt's love story. And I think when people watch The Bachelor, they want to see love stories. They don't necessarily want the drama, although on

the contrary, there's other people that are like, we only watch for you. We love the drama. So it's hard to say, but I think that this next generation is a very positive place. And so, like, they probably just want a more love story TV show rather than drama. Well, that, That's very nice, considering we were crapping on Gen Z yesterday. We were like, they don't know how to have conversations. That they don't, but I still think they like good vibes. That's true. Yes, yes.

Yes. And, you know, you have two young boys, so you'll want them to grow up in like a more positive, loving universe. And I think, because I even thought about it, like one of my Pilates instructors is like this gay guy and he's fabulous. but he's like, he's saying how like the old school gays were much more catty. And I mean, gay friends now are like fabulous and kind. And I think a lot of society is moving towards that.

Yeah. Good. Well, I'm glad that you have this meant. That's very, that's very sweet. And I do feel like you were putting on a show a little bit during Matt James's season. And you said that. But there were elements of both. Like I was putting on a show in some regard because like I said,

like I'm rolling with the punches, but there were parts of it where I was like young. It was my first time on set. And like there were elements where I was misled. And I think what people aren't understanding is they think it's either black or white. Like were you manipulated or were you this? And it's like combo. There was some great area. Well, yeah.

It's definitely kind of a paradox overlay that you have on top of this TikTok because you said you were manipulated into being the villain because you wanted airtime and it entertained during COVID when everything was canceled culture. So basically you're saying like I maybe wasn't so manipulative because I wanted to go along with things that were spicy. I guess

the manipulation was I did not realize the edit kind of. Well, you didn't know that scary music would go behind what you were saying and make it sound way more evil than it really was supposed to be. And even when I was talking to Katie, this popped up on my TikTok

the other day when I had the conversation with Katie, I do remember that specifically. They were like, you can't go to bed until you talk to Katie. And I didn't want to talk to Katie. So, I mean, if that's not manipulation, I don't know what is, but it's also, then people say you have free will, which is true. So then when I went to Paradise, I learned, oh, I can say no. Like, I didn't know that my first time.

I really didn't. So that's where I say, like, it was manipulated because, and the crown. like that was not my original idea and I was like I would never do that and they were like just do it it'll be funny so like things like that I mean I don't know if manipulation is the best word or if it's like you know what would you say is a word to describe that situation I don't know I mean mine would be at the time and this is not a hit to you it's easily influenced oh for sure I was yeah you didn't know i mean it's a wild statement in a powerful statement in a lot of ways and i think

one that a lot of people going on the show would make is i didn't know i could say no um which is a very which is an like i don't want to say this and say that like no isn't a reasonable response they might not like it they might get pushy you might have to say no like five times you also may not get as far yeah exactly i don't i wouldn't, yeah, I mean, I would say that, you know, I said no many times. I, you know, there's, especially as a lead. But they'll still test you. Like, you have to be so firm.

I really do believe, like, when you go on that show, you have to know who you are. And when I went on that show, it was like, I was young living in L.A., which now that I moved back to L.A., I see how much I've grown and how stable I am. But L.A. is kind of a place where you can lose your identity a little bit. So I was in that situation and then went on the show. Yeah, I was definitely very easily influenced. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly

and now I'm seriously suspicious. Oh, wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast. So we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out

with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor, and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating.

He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hello, it's Daniel Fischel, writer Strong, and Wilfredel from PodMeets World. And we're bringing you Viva Las Content. That's right.

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because I do think it very much relates to this TikTok in the sense that you don't want to be the villain, but you went on a show full of villains. Well, yeah, and they said on House of Villains, you can show that you're not a villain. So it was kind of like my redemption that Paradise didn't give me. Yeah, you and Corinne,

both really not villains. No, Karin's so not a villain. She's hilarious. You said a quote in your TikTok that said this was the worst experience of your life. I think that was like really old. Yeah, it was. 2021. Okay, but it's still, you said it.

It's out there and it's getting pulled back in articles because of this video. Do you still stand by that? Like looking back now and you have had this House of Villains show, Paradise, Maybe you'd say yes to Paradise again if they asked. Is it still the worst experience of your life, or have you had a different perspective now? So the filming wasn't the worst experience of my life, but all the online hate afterwards, I will absolutely say still that was the worst experience of my life. I've never experienced that type of magnitude of hate.

It was such a stressful time. And like, yeah, I mean, I couldn't even go on Twitter. It was just like memes. hate that was horrible that was definitely the worst experience of my life but i do think life has good and bad for us to grow so i'm not like resentful that it happened yeah i remember when that was happening to you you had spoken out and i think it was probably in relation to the same thing i just brought up and i and it's always important for us um and i think i don't want to just say reality television i think it's in general sports

um you know co-workers whatever life is you know surrounding you with the hate is is so unnecessary it doesn't do anything good and i think it's always a good reminder especially in this situation that like you're a real person reading this and it's affecting you deeply um but i guess the the thing that happens there is you probably start to question yourself in a thousand different ways when you're reading these things you're probably getting pretty down on yourself and also super sad but you're watching this on television at the same time did you feel like you there was any accurate portrayal of you on television or do you feel like you're watching a stranger the whole time no and even my friends who watched it were

like I don't know that girl like I don't know so I think the bachelor can be very one dimensional I mean if you compare it to other reality shows these girls are given one season they're given one character thing whereas even on house of villains like they showed more dimensions more sides so I think that was an issue as well it was like I was just boxed in as the villain and like they didn't show any other moments you know that I had so yeah I don't think it accurately portrayed me at all so you would say you were you were more of a villain on the bachelors and you were in the house of villains Is that true?

Yeah, I think so, because House of Villains, like, they show more sides of you. They show when you're silly. They show when you're kind. I mean, do they show kindness? I don't know. But they just have more overall, whereas, like, you know, even on The Bachelor, when you were there that day,

like me and Bree were, like, throwing the leaves up, having fun. And, like, they don't show any of that. They just show storylines that they want. I don't know. It's a different experience. In. That's interesting. So, yeah, would you, you don't regret the House of Villains going on House of Villains then? No, I loved House of Villains. How was that produced differently? How was it like, you know, how was, um, production's handed at all? I never saw production. That's what we were talking about yesterday. So I remember, yeah, I even asked Wes because he had done real world. And I was like, wait, is this normal? Like, we never see producers. And he's like, yeah. I'm like, Bachelor. I was with them all the time. So that was different for me. It was more real conversations because you're like meshed in with these people for me,

like my experience. Oftentimes on Bachelor, like they would make us have a conversation. I guess the difference is too on Bachelor. It's like all new girls. And then House of Villains, it's like all stars. Like these people know how to make a TV show, know what to do. And, you know, some of them are in their own characters. a lot of the time, but...

Characters, so would you say that they have, like, a mask on? Like, they are playing a role? Definitely Candy, the drag queen, like, puts on a show. But, yeah, and Safari, too. Safari likes to act. He's never serious. TV is obviously something that you've thrived in. I mean, you know...

Thanks, guys. Like it or not, your villain character has, you know, propelled you into new opportunities. I don't like the hate. And I have exciting news. I'm doing a movie like the end of April, May. So I'm so excited. I'm like, yes.

Tell us more. Like, can you tell us anything? I'm kind of just playing the hot dumb girl, which is better than the villain. Okay. We're moving up. What kind of movie is it? It's kind of a drama, but then my role is, like, funny. Congrats.

Thank you. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Wait a minute, Sam, maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up.

Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor, and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not?

To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hello, it's Daniel Fischel. Rider Strong. And Wilfredel from PodMeets World. And we're bringing you Viva Las Content. That's right. We are back in Las Vegas, the city of sin, and giving the people what they want.

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affordable. Listen, I am not here to judge. It is so expensive in these streets. I 100% can see how in just a few months you can have this much credit card debt when it weighs on you. It's really easy to just like stick your head in the sand. It's nice and dark in the sand. Even if it's scary, it's not going to go away just because you're avoiding it. And in fact, it may get even worse. For more judgment-free money advice, listen to Brown Ambition on the IHeart Radio app, Apple podcast, or wherever you get your podcast. so my my whole point to this and where I want to go with this interview is you are a villain on the bachelor it's propelled you into these new opportunities the hate and the online you know

noise is is really hard especially when you're new to this um I think it you know today like if if it happened it would still affect me but it wouldn't paralyze me maybe like it used to back in the back This was so new. You go on House of Villains, you enjoy that experience. And so where I want this to go is you have now kind of own this villainous character in some way. You're more confident. You're getting into acting. You're staying out there in the spotlight.

So for anybody in upcoming seasons of The Bachelor or in reality, television in general, and they have this villain title thrown to them, what would you tell them, as advice to help them get through that season as they feel like they're watching themselves on television and it's not really them. First of all, I would say it would have been easier to go a different route. I just ran with the villain thing because I had to. Anyone going through it, I would say, this too shall pass, you know, and like just try and go with the cards that were dealt to you and know your worth

and no, that's not who you really are and that it can still be a stepping stone onto the next part of your life and to just not get stuck in that. And also, my dad gave me the advice to just, like, maintain a neutral platform because it's like when people were like, the queen, I was getting really high

and they're like, whatever, you get really low. So just kind of like, don't listen to anything, like good or bad because none of these people know you. if it makes you feel any better there's probably two cast members from Matt James' season that I could remember off the top of my head and you would be one of them yeah that's a pro you'll be memorable

yeah you're memorable so if Paradise calls I don't know would you go I mean obviously you've had a rocky road but Paradise was better for you than the Bachelor you said yeah I would maybe do it and there's

new producers now. So it could be a cool experience. Okay. And you had a feud with Katie Thurston on Matt James season. Have, uh, have you talked to her at all recently? Um, her and I have kept in touch, but not like consistently, but I saw like she's going through something crazy. Did you see she posted like she has breast cancer? So hopefully she's doing okay. I don't correspond with her, but we're like fine. And then Matt James. So he's a single man now. I'm assuming that you wouldn't want to go after that though. No, he's definitely like not on my list at all. What was your take on the breakup and how it was so sudden? I mean, I watched Rachel's interview. I feel bad for her. We've all gone through that type of relationship. And Matt, like, I feel bad for him too. Like, I feel bad for him too. Like, I

I don't think anyone deserves, like, online hate. I was surprised, actually, she went on a podcast. I guess she wanted to have her side of the story out. But, I mean, I would love to hear him on a podcast and hear his side, too. Well, Matt James, you're welcome to come on our podcast. Would love that. I think he's actually going to stay quiet about this breakup, though. I think he knows that's what's probably best for him,

being that Rachel is really to steal your title, living a queen lifestyle right now like this girl is we're like bowing down to her she looks fabulous yeah but it's also like remember the media did that with like uh

what was it the vander pump like the scandible like Ariana really took off and like I mean did you guys watch what was it Traders with Tom

I don't watch Traders but yeah Traders is hilarious well Tom was hilarious on that show And it's like, as we were talking about earlier, like, everyone's a human being reading these comments. So whether someone has a breakup or cheats or makes a mistake or, you know, like, that's their own business. But we live in a day and age where the whole internet can just dissect it, which is insane. Mm-hmm.

Yeah. I would just say, though, if you sign up for multiple reality television shows, you're putting yourself out there for praise and criticism. Yeah. If you, like, definitely don't want it, you don't do it. And what Jared always says is if you are not being talked about, well, then you're probably, like, kind of boring. Well, guys, that's why I posted the TikTok. Like, I am irrelevant. So I'm like, I didn't know it would go viral.

Like, I just post on there chilling, living my life. Like, post me and my dog hiking. Like, it was not that deep. And it was kind of scary, to be honest. It's, it was great timing unbeknownst to you, which is one of the most. like comedic takeaways from this time with you today is that you had no clue that at the same time that you're calling out the show the show is calling out themselves with mass exodus and the show will look very different now victoria you've got to look into this this is this is happening staff is

leaving we don't know what the bachelor's going to look like in a year or who's going to be running it And so your TikTok was wildly good timing for you not planning it to be that way. I guess I'm in alignment still with Bachelor Nation. That's right. You somehow are getting it. Victoria, next time you have a big TikTok, come back on. Let's talk about it. Thank you for having me.

Yeah. And we wish you the best. We'll be tuning into this movie announcement. It's a big deal. Congratulations. and then also if you get the phone call for Paradise and if you say yes, we would love to see it. We would.

One more redemption story for Victoria Larson. Until next time, I've been Ben. I've been Ashley. Victoria, last time I was scared to talk to you this time. I think you're so nice. Okay, bye. Bye. Follow the Ben and Ashley I,

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