The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Villains Gonna Vill

Episode Date: January 11, 2022

Connor Saeli from Hannah's season and Bachelor in Paradise joins Ben and Ashley to recap this week's episode of The Bachelor! Ashley shares a pregnancy craving that you won't believe. And, Ben has a shocking admission that might actually make him rich! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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This is the Ben and Ashley I, Almost Famous Podcast with IHartRadio. My goodness, it feels good to be here. This is the Almost Famous Podcast. I'm Ben. I'm Ashley, and it is episode two of Clayton's season. And Ben, I'm enjoying. You enjoying? I am enjoying.

I was just going to say that. I feel like, hey, I think we said it best last week. I have no questions about Clayton as a human. Like, this is no critique on Clayton as a human whatsoever. I had questions about him being chosen as the Bachelor. But I'm enjoying this season, which makes me right now say Clayton is doing a great job as our bachelor. I really think that. Or the producers are doing a great job.

job producing the show. I mean, that and the women are really stepping up. I mean, they are really doing more than they were asked. There was there was one tendency of of Clayton's that I picked up though on. I think he's very obvious when he's into somebody when he's not. And I think he's going in for kisses with girls that he's not even so into. Why not? I mean, come on now. Go for it. I mean, but yeah, we're going to break down all of this with Connor's Ailey today, the whole episode. But I will say, as of right now, producers or whatever, I'm enjoying this season. I do not mind watching Clayton on television, which sometimes I have, like, just this like, I would rather not see you on television. Right now, I'm enjoying watching

him. I think, I still think he's going to get, uh, have a really hard time. I still think the drama is going to like weigh on him i think that is going to be at times difficult but the season the season's going to be good to watch like if i'm just a viewer it's going to be good to watch i agree that's what nick was telling us last week no let's not give nick all the credit here um hey uh ashley it's uh it's a big week for you um obviously uh we celebrated your baby shower uh thanks to hunday for that we also I'm recovering

from COVID so like he didn't have symptoms people he had like a stuff like did you even have a stuff he knows he said I was tired. I was tired. I was tired I had stuff he knows I was a little tired I'm now done I'm negative I'm back at the game

I'm ready to go I'm still a little stuffy not super stuffy but I I you know we made it through it we worked all week with it and and we're back healthy and ready for this week's episode. Ashley, you're back home. We talked about on your baby shower episode,

which will air the 20th of this month. That's a big episode. That's a lot of, we had a lot of fun. Yeah, it was a good one. It was awesome. Again, that was just so much fun to celebrate you and bring in some guests.

But that will air the 20th. But until then, you are back home right now for anybody listening for a few months, kind of, actually, I think I'm going to say the right word here. You're nesting until the baby. he's born i don't know no nesting is when you're like

decorating and organizing and that's the one thing that i can't do which is so frustrating actually because i want to be getting our house together in rhode island but uh yeah he's not gonna have a problem he's gonna my mom literally has turned

one of the guest rooms in this house into a baby room we do have to put that together but like it's not like we're gonna like decorate it you know what i mean like i'm not gonna like it's going to be a functional baby room instead of like a you know the cutesy one that I'll take lots of pictures in I thought nesting was always like I've always envisioned nesting being like you lay all the blankets and pillows down and you just lay there for like two months wait a second

I like your version way better than the real one yeah I really thought that was what that was I thought you just like relaxed and hung out and let people take care of you for the next two months because you're about to have a baby I thought that was pretty cool that is what I'm doing I'm doing the Ben Higgins version of nesting. I like the way that you like a visualize an actual nest to like blankets, you know, sitting on really comfy things. Yeah. That's that's hilarious.

I love that. No, it's usually when women like a month before have this crazy urge to like organize the house. Oh, okay. Do you want to know something that I have a crazy urge for that I haven't shared anywhere? But like, hey, we have some, a few minutes here. Yeah. Okay.

This is a pregnancy craving. and it's so wrong. It's so bad. Oh, I'm down for the bad. Let's go, Ash. Come on. I don't know how weird we're going to get here, but I'm down. We're going to get so weird, but apparently it's like not weird because I looked it up. I have like, I think it's called PICA and I want to eat cleaning products. Like I have a strong desire to eat cleaning products. Well, please know. Of course I'm not going to. But there's something of well they say it could be an iron deficiency um it's very common and pregnant women to want to eat cleaning products and other unedible things i'm going to bring it up to my doctor on wednesday and just be like hey should we test my blood for an iron deficiency um yeah i know this is super weird

you know like on my strange addiction people like want to eat detergent stuff yeah i've always wanted to eat powder laundry detergent. Okay. And I always wanted to eat like chlorine tablets for the pool. But right now like even like my facial exfoliant which is like it feels like

the texture of like a like yeah like it's like a baking soda texture. I'm just like don't do it. Don't put it in your mouth. I do it. I want to so bad. And then like every time like it like calm it for the bathroom. If like that kind of

texture and smell. Oh, it's just overwhelmingly delicious seeming right now. How weird is that? Yeah. I mean, if you told me this any other time of your life, I'd be like, Ashley, like, hey, I love you. You got to go get checked out. Like, you're crazy. But this is, I mean, at this point, roll with it. Just don't eat it. But roll with it. Okay. Speaking of weird stuff. Yeah. Anything weird that you can compare this with? No. No, I've never been pregnant. But, Speaking of weird things, right before the listeners came on, we were talking about this reality star who has now retired from selling her jars of farts. She made upwards of $200,000.

Oh, M.G. Yeah. No. Oh, yeah. I knew about this story. Did not know how much she made. Oh, yeah. And she made $200,000.

I think it was in two weeks or four weeks or something crazy. Oh, my God. you know, I've always questioned kind of where and how and what to monetize after this show. I've always been one that said, okay, I will do some things. I won't do other things. But making money from the show is a very good gift. You cannot say no to everything. And there's moments, especially in my lowest points where I go, wow, some people are just doing it so much better than me. Don't know if that's true. I have no clue how much they're making. I have no clue what their lifestyle is. but I think it this was not one of those moments actually I never once thought this but I do have since we are admitting weird things when I was an eight year old boy I did the same thing as her I fart in a jar and I kept it for days and it lasts um I didn't sell it I never I didn't have a market for that but now yeah go ahead were you open about this like when you decided to fart in the jar um one did you have pants up

when you did this or was it like real no you like go for it uh i mean i was probably seven or eight i'm sure my parents do about it i'm sure they're just like this is this kid is either gonna not be anything good at all or he's just being weird and he's gonna be a weird this is some only child behavior yeah this is some only child stuff right you're getting a good look at it um i never thought about this at 26 27 when i was the bachelor this was not something that came to my mind but could you imagine how much you would have made because she's from a she's from 90 day fiance yeah I mean 90 day fiance does well

but like the ratings that your season of the bachelor had so many more millions of people knew who you were and like wow you could have made a million dollars off farts in two weeks this is why sometimes I lay in bed at night and I question decisions I've made leading up to this point this might be one of those tonight where I go if only if only well wait no i'm sorry i know you want to move on but now i have to ask you

yeah have you ever gotten any weird requests like that like through cameo because you're very popular on cameo jared one time got a request for his feet to be shown for this girl's birthday and we couldn't do it we just know and um the the woman who requested was actually a little bit annoyed that we didn't let her know earlier that we were not going to show his feet. I've gotten a couple feet one. I choose to do those. I'm not kidding. You do. I do. I choose to do. I'm like at this point, I mean, what's the harm? And I mean, if they want to see my feet, they can see my feet. So how do you go about it? You say hello with your face. No, no, no, no. And then you turn the camera. Face is never shown. I do a little, I move the feet left and right,

do a little toe wiggle. I've got long toes. I can move them kind of like finger. I mean, say I'm crossing boundaries. For me, I've questioned this for a while. I said, I'm going to go for it. If they want to pay me $100 to show my feet, I'll show my feet. Next step, ladies and gentlemen, Ben Higgins' foot model on only fans. It's coming. Oh, wow, how life takes a turn.

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Or did, wait, didn't, didn't Peters? I think Peter's season. No, no, yeah, but you were the last Bachelorette season. Oh, last Bachelorette season. I got you. Last group of guys. Uh, it is, it is crazy. That is super crazy. It didn't even realize that. Yeah. I only bring that up is because one of the first scenes of this episode is the girls walking to the mansion like geeking out and for some reason this like was real awkward for me because I know that they were trying to encapsulate the excitement of moving back into the mansion and like we're shooting here again yay but it was so weird because like the girls were there the night before yeah yeah yeah no that is a weird scene I guess what a lot of people don't realize is you

like go back to your hotel yeah after and then you like fully move in a day later. So it is a little weird. But it was cool watching it, I guess like a little nostalgic because I remember there was a scene where they were like screaming out of the balcony. And I was like, that was my room. Yeah. I got a question for you too. There is a moment where somebody said this mansion is iconic and historic. I know. It was kind of hilarious, but also accurate. Well, how do you put something in the historic category? Because I believe this mansion was built in the early 2000s. It hasn't been the Bachelor Mansion

for the entirety of the Bachelor like seasons. I was like, well, iconic, yes. Historic, maybe not. Not so much. It's like a nice new house, kind of. Like, it's pretty nice.

Yeah, definitely not historic, but very, very iconic for sure. I do love the house. It brings me so much nostalgia. and it's weird because we only shot in it for like 10 days and with Chris Solzies

and we spent four shooting weeks there, you know, four episodes were there and that's longer than most. I don't know, I guess it's where all

like the first feelings started to develop. I like the mansion. It felt like a big frat house. Yeah. Nobody knows this, but like, I don't know

if we've ever talked about on this podcast. Connor, you got to tell me if you had this go down on your bachelor at season, but there's not many like bathrooms

at that mansion. I mean, especially for the amount of guys that are there initially. And at some point, there are signs that were put up that, like as you walked in the bathroom and they said, please don't do anything that clogs the drains. Did that happen on your season? I'm pretty sure it did happen. I think we had a couple clogged toilets on there. Yeah.

I will say it probably contributed to that too. Boys are gross. And you know, it's not just boys. We had clogged toilets too. They were clogged all the time. I just don't think the water pressure is very good in those toilets. Yeah. I think that I don't know if you either of you.

You were in that big room that has, I think there were maybe like 15 of us in there, 10 to 15 of us. And there's only one bathroom for that room. Yeah. So that one always had an issue with the plumbing just because so many people were using it. I used to always do my private stuff downstairs because there was only like, you know, one room and you could lock the door. And you didn't have to worry about somebody like walking in and trying to do their makeup or something while you were doing something else. Anyway, okay, so the girls come in It's a little bit funny

Jesse brings in a date card This one is for Teddy NC Malina Gabby, Kira Mara Sierra Genevieve, Serene

and Cassidy And the card reads This is what dreams are made of And that is a pretty cool hint That Hillary Duff is going to be On this group date I didn't even put that together Neither did I

oh yeah hey now hey now very cool dreams are made of such a good movie such good movie good song it's like don't sing it because it's going to be stuck in my head for weeks and weeks now um so this is like up there when it comes to special celebrity guests like we had milakuna as a national culture which is probably the top tier we'll ever get and now hillary deaf it's pretty big deal yeah no Hillary Duff is uh she's big time for sure she looks so hot she looks so good i have not seen her in a while i don't know if she's been in any movies or anything in a while but i i feel like i haven't seen her in a very long time so it was it was kind of cool to see her again well she has basically this thing set up in the backyard where the girls are going to have to put together a kid's party or like doll houses or something like that actually i don't know if it was very clear what the objective was but they had to like entertain they had to build things to entertain children

yeah it was like put together the party for all the kids yeah right um it was very weird when I was one girl I don't remember which one it was it sees the kids no no no sees the kids and she goes oh my god I love children yeah that felt weird to me too I wanted to anybody else I wasn't going to say it because I was like I don't know how to feel about it But when that happened, it gave me a little heap. It's like, yeah, so I'm being cool.

I love children. So weird. It reminded me of like Sarah Jessica Parker and Hocus Pocus. And she's like, boys, like, I love children. You know, like she wanted to eat them or something. Well, we didn't go that far here. Anyway, Cassidy is the one that really dominates this date because she keeps pulling Clayton aside, trying to get one-on-one time with him.

She's quite successful at it. She basically has two big make-out sessions with him, while the other girls are doing their tasks. I don't really remember anybody else having any significant time with him during this activity portion. I don't think anybody did, to be honest, or at least that we saw. Yeah. But I don't know.

I feel like it's a weird balancing act you have to do if you're one of the contestants, I guess, of like, obviously you want to spend time, but you want to, like, get along with everybody else and kind of, like, pull your weight in the tasks a little bit. So I'm a little unsure of how I felt about that. I feel like she maybe went a little bit overboard with trying to pull him. Oh, definitely. A little overboard, but I'd also say, like, nothing about it really bothered me.

I was like, she's really aggressive. We'll see how he responds to this. I wouldn't call her actions villainous, Ben. I wouldn't say villainous. That would not be how I categorized it. And I could be different here. But I watch a show, and I think it's just my personality, I would be more attracted to somebody that followed the rules.

So if I knew that somebody pulled me aside while other people were like carrying the weight of setting up this party, that would be unattractive for me. I would be like, hey, go back and do that. We're going to have our time later to talk. So it's not villainous. It just, I don't like it. And that just might be me. I just don't find it attractive.

Appealing. Yeah. Well, look at how Michelle responded in a similar situation last season. When guys weren't coming up to her during that part of the group date, she got really offended. But nobody was working during that group day. that was like a fun play time it's it's these dates that people are like you know picking up stuff or obstacle courses or stuff like that you're like hey go do that have fun with that and then come back because this isn't a good look for anybody but that just could be me i'm not saying

it's the right or wrong thing i just i wouldn't like it kinder would you like it no i don't think i would have i mean the way i would have foreseen if i was the bachelor on that date kind of like popping around to all the different stations being set up and everything and seeing the kind of the woman in action like helping out and maybe help them out to get to know them a little bit but I feel like her continually pulling him kind of took away from his experience from getting to know other people too so yeah a little bit frustrating for him even though it seemed like he liked it though I do think this and Connor before you came on we were talking hey we had our questions about Clayton as The Bachelor. Not because he's a bad dude, but just like anybody had questions about

him. Like, we don't know him. He definitely was not a fan favorite. So we have a ton of questions about him. I do think maybe one critique of him so far is as soon as there's options to kiss, he's going to start kissing. Like there's no, like whenever conversations get to a certain point, there's like a tipping point, you know, maybe he doesn't have a follow-up question or he's put in an uncomfortable situation. He just starts kissing, which worked. because, you know, I mean, it's kind of what the show's known for, but I do, I do think he's just going to, like, if anybody wants to kiss him, I think he's just down to make out. Yeah, and I feel like you kind of saw that.

I mean, we'll probably talk about it later, but as the episode went on, it seemed like opportunities arose for that even more, and he definitely did. Yeah. So, yeah. That's just, okay, is this like a girl versus guy thing? Like, I would never, if things got awkward and I didn't know what to say, and, I wasn't like super attracted or like really into someone. I wouldn't be like, okay, well, now here's the, now I'm just going to kiss them.

I'd be like, all right, well, time's up. Is this, but like with guys, is it like just like, oh, you know what? Kissing's fun. I'll do it with anyone. I don't know. I feel like with at least when I was on the, when I was on there, I feel like you would just be so focused and like dialed in in a way of like wanting to kiss the person that they would be talking and then I would like totally forget what they were talking about

and you just say like yeah yeah yeah and then you end up just starting to kiss so it wasn't like the conversation just died down I feel like it was almost intentionally died down in order to kiss okay yeah especially as time goes on like at times time goes on you get what 10 to 15 minutes with this person it's probably the only time you're going to see them all week if you don't kiss them then you're not going to kiss him for like 10 days or whatever and you're like I'm supposed to be dating this human, but so yeah, I get it. Like, as time goes on, you start kissing, I just think

Clayton, or Clayton, uh, jumped out of the gate very fast. Like, he's just like, let's, you know, let's, let's just start kissing night one. And I mean, it seems like it's working. Okay. And it's also kind of hilarious and worth mentioning that Cassidy says she tries to avoid times with

she says she tries to spend as little time around kids as possible. She basically says that to the kid's face. Which I think is kind of hilariously honest. Yeah. Yeah. That was pretty funny. You can't get mad at somebody for being honest.

No. True. I thought it was so funny. I mean, obviously sad when she dropped the cake, though. Yeah, that hurt. And I forget who made the cake,

but that girl was pissed. Yeah. Oh, that's right. You can't. So, like, people ask, you know, I'm sure we've all got it,

but like, hey, how fake is this show? How much of it is produced? And it's like, hey, it's a show. So, like,

you have to understand it. Like, the producers know what they're, doing that's one of those moments of the producers are sitting back and they're like oh this is gold like we couldn't plan this we couldn't fake this we could make this is this is perfect the the villain of the day brings the cake out and drops it yeah home run yeah that that situation played out perfectly for tv for sure all right let's skip forward to the nighttime portion uh i think the most standout for me in this was serene who is a teacher she said she loved being around the kids

and playing um she said that like her intention wasn't going into teaching but that's how things evolved for her and it wasn't like she said anything significant that made me be like oh well this girl's awesome but i did feel like he was the most into her and he said something along the lines of there's something we haven't done together and that is kissed so can i do it yeah i liked her a lot too i felt like their conversation the nighttime part it just it felt like there was more of a connection there than the other woman that we had seen time with him so i i thought she was to kind of a stand out of that date at least in the nighttime part for me but really we didn't really get to see much of anyone else no the only other thing i can remember really is teddy saying to clayton

that it was emotional for her to see him with other girls after getting the first impression rose and um that she's going to need like a lot of words of affirmation she's going to need to be like secured she's going to need to like to be told a lot throughout this journey that he still likes her that's a big moment. I'd be shocked if Teddy isn't in the final two. I mean, I'll also go that far now. I just think, out of many recent seasons,

she's one of those cast members that stand out in so many different ways. I also thought this was a great time for Clayton, and he did a tremendous job at it. When she said that, and you know he's into her, very obvious, he takes that moment,

and he says, I will reassure you. Like, I will make him. make sure you know how much I want you here. So now, and this is hard on this show, but now it opens up the space for them to have those conversations. Where, like, sometimes you're like, I don't know how they feel about me.

I don't know if he likes me, if she likes me. Now I think, like, they're going to be able to progress because they're going to be able to start saying, like, hey, I'm really glad you're still here. I missed you. And she's going to know he means it. And he's going to know she means it. That's why I think they have such a powerful, powerful story ahead of them.

Yeah, Ben, so having been the bachelor before, I guess this first week of dates, how big were those for you in terms of like, you obviously had the first impressions from the first rose ceremony, but like actually having conversations where like after that first week of dates were you like, okay, these are, you know, there's a handful of people I could really see this with. Did you kind of have that like solidified in your head? no not like a group of people but i'd say there's like i'd say the first impressions i'm a i really i think have always been very impacted by first impressions and so i'd say there's like two or three women after the first night and the first week i mean i kind of went at it with a different strategy i was trying to identify the ones that were like loose cannons first so like i was always in the lookout for like what signs are here that like this person doesn't get along with others this person is like pulling me away all the time knowing that like this is a huge huge like group of people still and so I was mostly whittling it down

from the back to the front I felt like and then there was like two or three after the first week that I remember going I think you're going to be here a while and in fact a lot of them were there for a long time because of their like mostly their behavior around other people and on group groups dates are a great time to see like honestly who the producers are paying the most attention to who seems to be asking for the most attention who's arguing with those who's the one tattle telling on everybody like you can really start to see that you know week one super interesting that you would look out for who's interacting with producers the most oh yeah so now we get to the group date rose and cassidy gets it because she was the

the one who made the most effort, he said, and getting to know him. And he likes that she's, like, putting off that confident, semi-aggressive vibe. I remember this. You know, he'll learn a lot watching the show back. For us, his viewers were watching this and going, she was pulling him all the time.

She made all these girls upset. Like, you know, she did all this. He doesn't see half of that. I mean, honestly, he doesn't even know half of that's going on. All he sees. is this girl that's, like, very into him, pulling him away, coming to talk to him, like reassuring him. He doesn't know right now of the drama really going on behind the scenes.

And so I'm not shocked she got the first impression rose because out of all this day, out of this whole date, or group date rose, out of this date, I think he, she did. She stepped up. Now, I don't think it's a good long-term strategy. I don't see this lasting for a while. But at this point, I think he just recognized she's in, me she made an effort and I need to reward that at some level not knowing the consequences behind the scenes yeah yeah I'd agree with that and I feel like for him too I mean he hasn't

been in this situation before he you know wasn't didn't go that far in Michelle season I mean he went pretty far but wasn't there to the very end so he's been kind of thrown into this and I'd imagine on the first date of the whole experience you're probably looking for you know someone who's really you know giving you a lot of validation and reassurance and so she definitely did that and so as a viewer you're right it's like why why in the world did he give that to her but i i can understand why he did makes sense hi my name is enya umanzor and i'm drew phillips and we run a podcast called emergency intercom if you're a crime junkie and you love crimes we're not the podcast for you. But if you have unmedicated ADHD...

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very positive to things that he's really into. They land on an amazing yacht. They get to, like, hang out in the water and just lounge on the boat for a while. You can tell he's so into

her. I think she's into him, but I think there's definitely an imbalance there. I don't know if you guys pick that up uh yeah i know i did agree okay i don't know what it is i just don't i just don't see it with them i think there's a just like obviously she's like a very attractive girl she has that like bubbly personality which i think is super attractive and you know i'm sure colton finds it that way but uh clayden this is the second time we're done this i knew i was going to screw that up i did the same thing man it's it's just part of

I love it, I think, this year. Yeah. But I feel like, I just don't think she's as into him, to be honest. No, no. I really don't. That's interesting. I mean, we kind of got that hint, right? I mean, if I remember when she left on the date, one of the other girls was saying that she just didn't seem that excited.

And she broached that with Clayton right away. She said, hey, I'm super nervous. I'm excited to be here with you, but I'm just super nervous. this. However, yeah, I think when this date ended even, I have a feeling this girl is going to break Clayton's heart. He's going to be really into her. And at some point, I believe later on, she's going to probably step away and it's going to be one of those moments that we see him. Right. I think she, I think I just get that sense right now. That I could turn, right? We've seen this turn and connections build, but I'm with you too. I just did.

didn't feel it, uh, on her side to, you know, for him. She's going to be somebody that breaks his heart. Yeah. I, I do see her going very far, though. Me too. And honestly, I don't know what it is. Maybe it's because she looks very similar to Hannah Brown. Yeah.

She does. I there were a lot of times I saw. I was like, wait, is that, is that Hannah? Yeah. But I could almost see her as like the next basteret. I feel like she kind of has that like, you know, know, I don't know. There's like something about it.

She has that presence. Yeah. She definitely does. Yeah. Yeah, we'll see. I mean, I feel like every time like he would go in for a kiss, it was like, she was like, okay. So we'll see how it evolves. All right.

Next up, we have the second group date where we do get, I think, truly villainous behavior from Chenayne. Sheneid, Shinnade. Shinnayne. Shoneney. We're just going to call her Shennayneeney. so she definitely targets this girl Elizabeth for absolutely no reason so they walk into this barn there's a comedian at the desk set up like a classroom and she and she's telling them that

they're going to play a game of never have I ever was just actually like I think really fun and well I was terrified of this game in my mid 20s when people would be like people would be like never have I ever like done something great like you know something sexual right and i would just be like i want to avoid this game at every single in every single way actually you're going to winning that game you win oh yeah i know right oh my god but it was so awkward um now i think it'd be so much fun to play and i think it gets you to know people well so i'm like really down for this um and then this girl Elizabeth seems very nice. She sits down next to Clayton and is like, can I sit here?

And he's like, yeah. And it's really annoys Shunayneye to the point where she like makes her, like makes her the target for the rest of the day. They're like sort of flirting, I guess, because like they're sitting next to each other. But there wasn't some crazy chemistry. If I was Shenay, I wouldn't be like, oh, my God, threat alert, threat alert, but she definitely feels so. I just want to go on record because last week I said, I have a feeling.

This shenana girl is going to be a villain. I just get the feeling. I just want to put it out there. If I have one skill set in life, it's being an expert at the bachelor. So I think before, too, they. they showed a scene of, I think it was Cassidy and Shippanyi talking. And I feel like Cassidy may have like planned to the idea that she should just like go for it, keep pulling him, all of that stuff.

And then I feel like she wasn't able to do that. And then she just like went on this rampage of, you know, just being like pissed off about it. Can you guys remind me in recent memory? Has there ever been the two? like biggest villains, in quotes, team up on this show. I mean, I feel like they're like a tag team right now. Like one's pouring in the other being like, don't let this person win. Watch out for the front runner.

Like, cut him off at the knees. Like I'm never, I don't remember the villains like teaming up. It was like JJ and Clint. That was like the last time they did this. Yeah. It didn't work out well for them either. Yeah, that's not work out. Okay.

Yeah. villain's got a vill. Well, these two are trying to bill and just I don't know. In my opinion, Shannanae has so much on Cassidy as far as the villain goes. But we fast forward, yeah, let's

fast forward to the nighttime portion because the obstacle course didn't really do much as far as the building connections. We see that Cass, that Shenay just goes

right after Elizabeth and says that she's two face bitch for just no reason to Clayton and I'm just like where is she pulling this out of she ends up having a little like one on one time with Elizabeth and she says there was that conversation we were having

back at the house and you just didn't seem to be engaged with me it was like you were ignoring me straight to my face And then Elizabeth explains that she's ADHD, which means that she has a hard time focusing on two things at once. So she might be zoned in on one person's conversation and have to block out the other. She says that she's so sorry if that's kind of what happened. But it seems very genuine. And that is that is truly a possibility.

Yeah, no, no, no, 100%. And that was like such a weird conversation at the end, too, because they like hugged and made up. but they definitely didn't make up the whole thing but ben i'm curious because you said like a red flag for you was um people like not getting along in the house and stuff like that so i guess if this is brought to your attention and there's always someone every season that's like telling the bachelor the bachelorette like the issues that are going on in a way like paddling on people for whatever. Like, how would you

sort through that whole situation? I mean, I think it's pretty obvious when you're in it, too. You know who's coming to protect you. Or like, a lot of people wouldn't tell you for the sake of they don't want to involve themselves

in the drama. They don't feel like it's really their role to bring it to your attention. I had it happen once during my season where somebody brought it up to me. I could tell that they're coming from a place of, I just need you to know this is happening behind the scenes. And that was my own fault. So this happened to the Bahamas. One of the girls came to me and said, the girls are starting to get really upset because you seem to only be paying attention to a few select women. And I said, thank you for telling me. Because that

wasn't my hope. It wasn't how I want to operate, but I can see that now. That was good. Like, I could tell they cared. If it was this girl's doing this and this girl's doing this, I just don't need you to tell me that as the bachelor it's not you guys need to figure it out your adults ultimately here i'm looking for my wife uh ultimately here like my hope is that this leads to something like really special and i would hope my wife is pretty good at conflict resolution and is pretty good at getting along with others and so you know stuff like this would have been definitely a red flag for me because i just would have i mean i think i would have taken a step back and And like this, well, as great as maybe you even are, this isn't going to work.

Because this feels like we're back in middle school. And I'm not looking for a middle school date right now. In the tattletale situation, that was Chenet. Yeah, the tattletel situation. And then also the kind of the follow up to it, you know, not even Elizabeth. Elizabeth was, I think, thrown off and confused. I wasn't, I didn't have, I wouldn't maybe see it that way with her. I think just Shenei being just so angry at this and all the other.

girls if you could have looked around like what i would have done if i was clayton now i don't know if i would have because hindsight's 2020 what i think he could have done in that moment is ask the girls do you feel this same way in that group setting and make them respond then because i think that he would have seen no this is an elizabeth's problem this is shenanes it was a total newbie move like it was definitely out of not having a lot of experience in the first season i feel like yeah well i mean and also I just don't understand. Connor, you could maybe speak in this. It always shocks me.

But Cheney right now is saying that she is here for Clayton. So we got to believe it. We can't assume anything else. So she's obviously one to be with Clayton. So the strategy she takes is to be the one that takes out everybody else. That strategy has never worked in any dating relationship of any kind. So why do they resort to that? Like, what person goes, especially on this show, with most people now who are on the show

have seen a previous season, they go, this is how I'm going to win Clayton. I'm going to make sure that everybody else looks bad and I will be standing at the end. Like, that just doesn't work, right? Yeah, no, I mean, that never, literally never works. That person always just ends up being the villain. But I feel like it is an intimidating environment walking into a room of, at least, least on our season, 30 dudes that are all like, you know, good looking, doing a lot of cool stuff in their lives, big, strong, tall, whatever. And so, you know, I think some people,

you kind of go into more of like a defensive mode and try and just like knock people down. And it's like that's what she's doing, almost just like knocking people off until she's the only one left standing. Yeah. Yeah. Well, there are two moments we really have to talk about before we wrap the recap portion of this up one when Elizabeth and Cheney face each other again at the cocktail party

and Chenet really becomes a villain like this is her this is mean stuff she's like she has ADHD did you know she has ADHD that's something that little kids have

the fact that she kept bringing that up over and over again and and totally making it seem like it was like an excuse that Elizabeth came up with was outrageous. Well, and she, didn't she tell everybody too? Yeah. Yeah. It's not really her thing to tell everyone, right?

I thought that's a little out of pocket of her. No. But her to make it a joke. Yeah. Was crazy. Then there is Cassidy. and she gets called out, rated out that she has a friend with benefits for the past couple years at home. And he's all like, well, when you come back from this show, let's watch it together

and hook up. This is not a villainous move again. Stop trying to make Cassie a villain. A friend with benefits at home, if that was ever going to turn into something that could have turned, that would have turned into a relationship at this point. Everyone has someone that they're texting or something mild at home. You're an attractive 20-something. Are you guys telling me that you didn't have one person that you would like maybe casually go on a date with when you went on The Bachelor? Well, I, so I'm a little torn with this one too because I feel like it depends on the intent.

If she, if she was like going on the show just to go on. and had this friends of benefits at home after that she was like planning to come home to, then I feel like that's not, I don't know if I really vibe with that. But if she had a friends of benefits before and then it was like all in, I'm going to see if like Clayton, if I could, you know, if I'm his person, if we should be together, then I think it's different. But if she went in with the intent of like just leaving at some point and like, oh, I don't think that's what it was at all.

I don't know. I feel like this is just some guy that she hooks up with casually at home. How do we know that? She has no intention of it evolving. I'm with Conner. I'm with Conner. But weren't they messaging, like in the hotel right up to the end? FaceTiming until the end.

And he was saying, come back and watch this with me. And I mean, I know if I was Clayton and I ended up with Cassidy and I get out the show and this guy is texting her and he's and I'm like, well, who is this? And she tells me, oh, this was the guy I was dating and talking to. And I said, well, up to when? and she goes the night before the show, I wouldn't be thrilled. Like, I would not be okay with that.

Maybe I'm making it seem, maybe it's less casual than I'm making it seem in my head because I'm thinking like, if they end up together, oh, she'll never even respond to this guy because it won't even be like a thing because they were nothing. Maybe not.

We just don't know that. I'm saying at this point with what we know, I don't, I wouldn't love it. Like it wouldn't be a thing I would, I don't think it's a great move. I'm not saying it's a deal breaker. I'm not saying if he finds out she should be like on the first flight home. Yeah.

But this is just not a Jed situation is what I'm saying. According to Jed it is. I guess you're right. I guess you're right. I guess you're right. So, so wait, so Cassidy already has a rose.

Then I think of the preview, Clayton asks Jesse if anyone's ever taken a rose back. Yeah. Do you think he's going to take the rose back? Yeah, I do. I think she's going to get a rose back. eliminated yeah or or do you think he's going to i think he's going to take it back but i think and then think the one at the rose ceremony that's a possibility too yeah i i do believe there has been

some roses taken back uh in the history i can't remember i just remember something happening like that it's definitely not the first time i just don't remember the last time i i didn't jesse give someone a rose he wasn't supposed to give yeah jesse palmer was uh yeah is famous for calling the wrong name and looking at the girl and being like sorry she like starts walking he's like sorry i meant her and she had to turn around and walk back back yeah didn't i think he still gave her a rose oh did he she i think she ended up staying for a little bit too like she actually i don't know that was the start of his hosting career right there that was it he knew at that moment i'm going to be back here one day and i'm leading this thing you guys i really hope i'm not like the odd one out and like

defending Cassidy here with this Friends with Benefit situation. I guess I going on to the show was just like is there somebody that I will definitely see when I get home if this doesn't work out, sure, but if I end up

being engaged to Chris Salls will I ever text him again? No. So I guess I'm just thinking about too personally. There you go. Well, it's it is also kind of the cliffhanger that we leave this episode on. I mean, this is where we're wondering for next week, what's going to happen?

We do get a weird, I don't know if you notice this, but in the teaser, because I was wondering if, you know, Chenet would still be around. We see her in the Baywatch date. So we know now she's here for next week. It's a very clear picture of her. We don't see Cassidy in any of the teasers, but that is the cliffhanger. And so we'll take a vote here to close out this episode or this segment with our good friend Connor. Connor, do you believe Cassidy is going home? Yes or no? No. Ashley, do you believe

Cassidy is going home? Yes, or no? Yes, I think she's going to go home and I think Cheney will fill in as primary villain. I am going to say that this is, she carried too big of a role in this episode and there's still too much to be uncovered about her story. That I think she's stays, I just don't, I think her time is limited. I don't think she makes it past the next episode. That's my vote. I have no clue what's happening. Hey, to close this whole thing out on this episode, Connor, what are your thoughts on Clayton so far as The Bachelor? So I'll be, I watched the first episode and the second episode back to back. So I kind of seen the whole evolution here. I feel like he started out a little rusty, not going to lie,

was a little dull. I think he can realize that maybe a little bit. But I think at the end of this second episode, he kind of warmed up a bit. It seemed like he was more engaged in the conversations and was actually like talking to people versus just trying to kiss them. Although he did do that. So I think he's, in my opinion, he's doing better. I think he's actually, you know, engaging with the woman more. And I think as the season goes on more, he will keep getting better. So I'm honestly, I'm excited. I think it's cool that they chose someone that's maybe a little bit more unknown. It is cool to kind of get to know that person too a little bit. But I think there is a lot still to be learned about Clayton. I really don't know anything

about them, to be honest. Yeah. And I don't know if we're ever going to. That's a weird part. Ashley, you'll know why. But this episode did end with being one of my least favorite episodes I've ever seen. Wait, really? I thought the top of the show, just kind of said that we enjoyed it just i i don't even know if you'll be understood why but the very end of this episode ends with a clown the end of the episode was one of your least favorite parts of an episode there's a clown and that's just inappropriate it's not needed it brings out fears and the audience oh dude wait are you are you afraid of clowns massively i i really just hate clown so much oh my gosh do you remember when there was like the clown thing a few years ago uh it was like

five years ago, I was a senior in college and, like, clowns are hiding the woods. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And they even like, I, uh, I was a senior in college. They had to shut down high schools in the area because there were like clowns showing up on campus. No, I'm over it. I'm so, so afraid of clowns. I hate clowns so much. There's nothing about them makes sense to me. They should not be around kids. They should not be around adults. In fact, I just don't really exist. Um, I think they're going to stop. our generation, guys. Yeah. I hope so.

Like, I don't think, like, anybody in our generation is going to hire a clown for our kids' birthday. I want to, I don't want to meet that person

if there is one of them. Connor, thanks for joining us. We're going to be back with you. We'll be sharing an episode. We're going to do it in-depth with you here very soon. Catch up on your life,

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It's time for Bachelor headlines with our resident expert. Ashley I. Kennedy, first headline is this, and it's a big one. The Bachelor's Claire Crawley and Blake Monar get cozy after Dale Moss breakup. This is according to E. okay so our producers sent us this headline the other day and i was like blake monar i was like blake moines i was like in my head i thought that she had sent like a typo and i was like hmm i mean like that could make sense at least like for jealousy purposes for a couple months you know the two of them kind of get flirty but then i click the link and i see it's blake monar and

then i click on who blake monar is on instagram still can't figure it out i'm like this guy looks kind of random you know he has 20,000 followers and i don't really particularly remember him from anything and then i find out that he was on bachelor in paradise this season yeah whoop's that blake the blake who went out with tia uh-huh that's what i thought yeah and he was on claire's season originally um and the two of them hung out and they were looking kind of cozy Claire also said something on her Instagram about how like she went somewhere for business

wherever they were hanging out which was Indiana said one for business left with the most unexpected remarkable memories Indy you were truly beautiful and exactly what my soul needed I'm telling you everybody should go to Indiana to find love it is the place

it's my stomping grounds Ashley don't forget that Yeah. And then somebody was asking about this rumored something something. And Claire said, Blake is the sweetest person. He truly is. So let's see like what develops from there. It could be really awesome. We love these stories. Yeah. We'll watch this as we go. Well, kind of turning the page a little bit to a whole new chapter. Bachelor in Paradise favorites. Riley and Marissa. Well, this is the headline. Fans think they've. called it quits this according to screen rant yeah we also got a text about this from our producer this week so immediately i went over to marissa's instagram in which i remember her like from the previous night saying something like she just wanted to like get dolled up for no reason and i was like oh now it makes even more sense because now she wants to look really hot for him on instagram um the rumor is that they have maybe broken up sometime since Christmas till now because they were hanging they were hanging out they spent Christmas

together um Riley has those pictures up on his Instagram Marissa no longer has those pictures up on Instagram the last pictures of her and Riley together are from October on her Instagram so I do feel like we can read into this a little bit um doesn't sound good. It doesn't. And that was one of our favorite couples coming out of Paradise. So we hope they can rekindle or remend

or if they might be still together and just being quiet for now, but that's the rumor spreading. Well, another rumor. Bachelor Nations, Blake Hortzman and Love is Blinds. Gianina Gabelli, I hope I said that right,

are dating. This according to E as well. Hey, can we accord it to Ben Higgins as well? Because you're pretty close to Blake. Have you talked to him about this? I am off the record. Come on. I'm off the record.

Well, you, did you know that he was dating someone? I knew he was on a reality show. Oh, what do you mean? He's on another reality show? Yeah, I knew. I knew there were some. Breaking news. Breaking news.

So, yeah, I knew that, but I did not know how it turned out. And so it seems like it's turned out very well for him. Oh. So they meet on this reality show? I don't know. you told me what's the headline say the headline is just that they're dating not that the there's headlines that they're dating and that like possibly like i don't know that they it says they're very new and they aren't rushing into anything blake says that she's really fun and down

to earth um blake posted a picture of himself on new year's eve at the mile high spirits uh and uh apparently she also uploaded a picture of of herself standing in front of some very similar-looking barrels in the bar on Instagram. So it looks like they spent New Year's Eve together. Oh, Gianna even posted, repeat after me, I'm about to walk into the best year of my life. And then the person, the source, says that they spent New Year's Year together. And they have been getting to know each other. They have a lot in common due to their experiences on reality TV.

I didn't watch all of as blind, I'll be honest. But from what I did watch of it, I thought that Gianna was super sweet, really cute. I like this coupling. And now with Ben's little tidbits, I'm wondering if they met on some sort of reality shows. Oh, geez. I'm ruining everything today. It's okay. But yes, I mean, if they've got something going, Blake is a buddy, like to see him happy.

In fact, I think the dog that Jessica and I are looking adopting is living. in Blake's house with a lease right now. Yeah. So could possibly be a thing. Maybe I'll ask the puppy. Hey, hey, pup,

what have you seen? What have you seen? Maybe, maybe some, maybe some things he doesn't want to talk about. Yeah, he's too young to see those things. Too young.

Well, this is a big headline because I think it really speaks to Clayton and probably why I believe he will go down as a good bachelor, if not a great bachelor, if not one of the favorite bachelors. I think he's pretty self-aware. I think he understands criticism and where it comes from well. Well, here's the headline. Clayton Eckerd responds to Nick's, Nick Vile, questioning him

being chosen as the bachelor. The statement Clayton makes is, I don't harbor any resentment toward him. There's an interesting quote in here, Ashley, that I'd love for you to read because I really do think it speaks to who Clayton is. All right. So this is what he said in reference to, you know, Nick not thinking initially that he was the best choice. Because, you know, Nick kind of backtracked after seeing the first episode. He goes, this is what Clinton said.

I thought there were points where my personality did come through. I thought the date with Michelle and all that actually went really well. I thought it showed my goofy side. It showed my dance moves. which is why I said it's my resolution this year I want to get better at them but it showed this playful side of me

then he said there's a little snippet I guess where it was just a little snippet per se I guess I don't know how much screen time I had maybe 10 20 minutes whatever it was it wasn't much but when Nick made the comment about him being an unconventional pick he this is what clayton thought he said okay i can see

where you're coming from but but then again um you're going to get plenty of time to see me now on my season going forward um he also said that if he still feels that way if nick still feels this way towards the end of it then then fair sure um we'll have a conversation at that point. I'll talk to him, you know, what is it that you don't get? But for right now, I do understand. I don't harbor any resentment for somebody that makes a comment like that. I think it's his platform. He kind of speculates on all these things. He doesn't know a thing about me. Yeah. Hey, um, you know, Nick's a podcast host. You get paid having opinions. And I think a lot of people's opinions were, who next is Clayton guy? But, as Clayton said, we'll get to know

them more as the season goes on. Let's hold our judgment, even though even here at the almost famous podcast, we're like, how in the world did they choose this dude? He wasn't even shown. But after two episodes, we're going, okay, makes a little more sense. Big headline here. Former Bachelorette, Andy Dorfman's new boyfriend revealed inside their fairy tale romance, this according to E. Fairy tale romance. At first on Instagram, she was keeping his face like kind of concealed if you noticed but now we know who he is his name is blaine hart and he is a man from her past they met each other years ago during college through a mutual friend um who the mutual friend went to school with blaine in south carolina they both happened to be

in italy at the same time this past summer and reconnected after 15 years. And they've been together ever since. Wow. That's kind of cool. And the inside source tells E that this is the fairy tale that Andy has always dreamed of. She's never been happier before in her life. Wow. What a headline. Well, hey, that's all we have for today. What an amazing episode. Thank you to Connor Saley for coming on and breaking down this week's episode with us. we're also going to have him for an in-depth episode dig into who he is as a person here and that will be posted very very soon but until then thanks for joining us i've been ben i've been ashley bye guys thanks for listening follow the ben and ashley i almost famous

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