The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - We Need to Talk

Episode Date: March 12, 2024

We have some inside info on this week’s episode of The Bachelor, because Ben WAS THERE! He tells everything about what it was like to be on set with Joey and WHO had the deepest connection! Joey might be too self-conscious about his final three… and Ashley and Ben hold nothing back when sharing how he should handle the last contestants.  Plus… we break down Joey’s strange reaction to Daisy saying she had “one more thing” for him.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Tickets are on sale now at AXS.com. Get your tickets today. AXS.com. This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast with IHartRadio. Hey guys, welcome to the almost famous podcast today. Ben and I are going to be breaking down the Fantasy Suites episode of Joey's season. Ben, what's your overall take on this episode? every single human involved in this season up to this point is an emotional romantic wreck.

They have no clue what to do next. None of them, Joey included. I'll say this. He is a spiral of chaos and confusion and emotion. And I don't think we've seen what we're seeing during, at this. point in the season in a long time where there is, I still think only two women that will be there. I mean, like obviously be there in the end, but like really only two women that this is like going to be the real deal with. But all, but I, but I think he's so into all three women,

I think all three women are into him that this is, this is like pulling at my heartstrings from being in it before and having a similar situation really. Yeah, I know. I'm trying to think about a finale that would have been as just like not knowing what's going to happen like for like the lead the lead probably was just like I don't know. I would say Peter's season.

Okay Peter. There you go. Peter. Probably the last time I would think back on like the kind of the same level of my goodness. Indecisiveness. But like I don't want to call it indecisiveness. No, I don't. I think that's a wrong word, Ashley. I do. I don't think we can be. Too much love for both people. Yeah. I don't think you can

criticize remember i don't think you can criticize somebody for feeling this way at the end it is not indecisiveness it's not cold feet it's not knowing what you want it's it's wanting both it's having everything it's like i have the most amazing people here with me and the women are going this is the most amazing guy and it makes it so much harder and it makes it so much better to watch and i think that's what we love about this show yeah it's great it's it's it's really um edge of your seat right now I'm nervous, and I haven't been nervous for a while. Like, I'm always like, you know me, I'm always like, you know what? The person's going to get heartbroken.

They're going to get over it. They're going to become the bachelor, bachelorette. They're going to go into paradise. They're going to be fine. But right now, I'm, like, actually, like, quite nervous because this is, like, it feels like real love with him and Kelsey and him with Daisy. Let me tell you that I started out the episode when he's crying about the fact that, like, you know, his biggest fear again.

is not being chosen back and I'm like why is this man such a good cryer like why is he he's such an emotional cry like his cry makes you really sad I've never felt that I mean I don't love to see people cry I will say that I mean remember I said it last week I was there the week before this I know and sitting with Joey I sat next to him and like the his reaction this week is not shocking to me. You could see it in his eyes when I was with him that this was like pulling him to a place that he didn't know where to go.

This is an unfamiliar, uncharted territory for Joey and these women, but it is a season of The Bachelor. There is no prep for this. There is no life lessons that you can learn to make you go into these situations and do them well. At this point, For the rest of the season, Joey is holding on by a thread because at the same time that he's telling these women he loves them, he's going to be saying goodbye to people that he loves.

And when you're saying this, I feel like you're saying this because you know Joey quite well. You guys have multiple conversations per week. I feel like we have Joey quotes coming out of your mouth. It's not quotes from him. More of quotes from my experience on the show. and watching him and getting to know him a little bit. I just don't, outside of everything else,

I really love that we have a season that this is existing in. I know it hurts. It hurts all the people involved, but I'm really glad that we're watching this and we're being like, this is real. Okay, so say whatever happens at the end, like say that whoever he's with,

it doesn't work out, right? Like, for whatever reason life, for whatever reason life brings itself and they find themselves not working out. What we'll always do is look back on Joey's season and be like, but we felt it. And I think that's a huge win for us. Yeah, that's kind of like Caitlin's season.

Caitlin, yes, good, good point. We still think about Caitlin and Sean eight years, nine years later. Yeah, I don't think they do, but we do. Okay, okay, let's go like into the step by step. The first one, the first date's with Rachel. and I don't know the real order of these dates this week. And I'm really interested to know

because Rachel's is the throwaway. It was meant to be first for us to see because it's just we can't compare it to the other two. It could be in a totally separate episode. Not to say that he doesn't like her, I like her, I know that he does and I know that he even said he's falling in love with her, but he never said it to her face, right?

That's like kind of like what he says to the camera. I feel like he says something along the lines of I'm falling for you. I don't remember a moment where he actually admitted his love to her. Yeah, because it's so much different than the feelings of when he admits loving feelings towards the other two that I looked back on it and I was like, wait, did he actually say it to her? He just say it to the screen. Anyway, well, it isn't without a little bit of drama though because she ends up jump from that sky, you know, whatever you want to call it a very high diving board and she really messes up her jaw i feel like she like wax her face really bad to the point where she thinks that maybe her jaw's broken so they go and spend

some time in the hospital instead of who knows what they would have been doing but you know what i feel like evan vass would tell you that sometimes a hospital date can be a good thing uh it's quite vulnerable and it's like one of those moments in life where you're like wow i really didn't want ever be here with you but here we are and it's kind of more real life than anything you're going to experience on the show maybe a little boring note here yeah i was curious about how in the world did the show get clearance to film in a hospital so quickly yeah i was wondering about that i was also wondering like okay so since that they're on a show like and they're at the er do they get bounced ahead of everybody else can't like wait in the er waiting room for three hours to be

seen yeah like what was going on i want to see the waiting room i want to see them just sitting there. It looks like it hurts. You can tell that it shook her. You also know that this is the last thing she wanted. She did not want to be hurt and spending this day, you know, away from their activities. But they do bounce back. I, I just don't feel it, Ashley. Yeah, I know. Like, I like her and I like him. I like them together. I just don't feel it. like I feel it with Daisy and Kelsey and I don't know if I can put and maybe you can help me I can't necessarily put my finger on it other than the fact that maybe in my mind all season I've just built up that it's going to be Daisy or Kelsey in the end and nobody else is

really like everybody else is just kind of playing for second and thirds well for me the conversation between the two of them is always about like can she get vulnerable is she open enough and it's like okay i'm tired of talking about talking about it let's just see it in action how many times are they going to say open and vulnerable and honest and just like let's have a conversation that is about something that is open vulnerable and honest but isn't about saying those words over and over again because we really haven't seen that i mean we've we've seen them kind of her talking about her dad remember when she like yeah but like we've seen them touch on it but they they bring it up but there is no yeah there is no kind of follow-up where emotions start

getting you know expressed and they start sharing with each other their dreams and what they want in a in a relationship and you don't see that like tell me a story it doesn't have to be a sad story the sob story just like let's see a story let's see where you're at as a couple so they do go to an overnight. I would say that that was something I was surprised about. I think after the day date, I was curious to see

if they would actually go to an overnight or not. Oh, I thought for sure because they needed the extra time. That's fair. I think I was, I think I'm just waiting to see how this ends. So I was just wondering

when this relationship was going to end, if it was going to end at a, you know, overnight. But what is, what by them going to an overnight, what it does for me is it shows me that Joey is more into this than I think I'm giving them credit for. Especially in the morning. I thought they seemed like they had pretty nice intimate conversation there. I think I'm misreading this whole situation because I'm thinking, oh, Joey, you know, Joey knows that it's, he doesn't know what he

wants yet maybe, but he knows that it's Daisy or Kelsey. Yeah. But by them, by him saying, no, we're going to do this thing tonight, like we're going to go to an overnight. We're going to take more time together. It makes me have to take a step back and be like, yeah, he's more into this than I thought he was. So I have to take that into consideration. Yeah. Okay, let's move on to the Kelsey date, which is just everything. Like that date was, it was so many feelings. So much like joy and happiness and lightness. And I love feeling that. And she was so cute and giddy when she was excited about telling him that she's in love with him. And it just felt good to watch. Yeah. Overnights are so unique because you do have kind of the ones that maybe don't hit the

emotional mark that, you know, you expect. And that's what I'd put Rachel's in. Again, I could be completely wrong on this. And I'm very willing to say, you know what? Maybe it's the two of them at the end and I'll be shocked. And it will be, yeah, the most shocking season ever. And I'll love it still. like it's great but you have those not overnight you also have the overnights that are very like stressful but kind of like daisies right she's very nervous about this this is a big deal it's hard to process what's happening it's hard to process the week and that he's kind of navigating this whole thing and then you have the overnights that just feel natural like yes are you i am so excited to have an evening with you doing whatever it is we choose to do but you and i having this

evening together is so exciting for me. That's Kelsey's. We get all three this season. We get at least in my opinion the one that doesn't feel like it's there. We get the one that's like very nervous and stressful, daisies. And then we get the one that's like, hey, just you and I hanging out. Like we're going to do. She even says this quote. She goes, I get to spend the evening with my boyfriend. And it feels like, yeah, it's easy for them. So it's so natural. but let's also say that they wanted to freak her out by setting her up with Leslie

before the date. Such a set up. I did like the fact that they were able to bond over losing their mom early in life. So I think that they set them up for that reason, but they also set them up because they were like, I think Kelsey's feeling too good about this. Let's put some doubt in her mind.

And I don't think the doubt creeped in much during the date, but of course they're going to let, you know, she gets home from the date. She's probably even more emotionally attached to him after the fantasy suite. And then that simmers in her mind that Leslie said, I went to a fantasy suite. I thought in that moment, it was me. I was 100% sure. And then after and then it wasn't me.

So just always remember, like it would be hopeful, but don't be like overly confident. It's hard. It's such a weird week where you are connecting on a level you haven't yet because no matter what, cameras aren't there. So, like, you are letting your guard down in many ways. Some physically, some emotionally, you know, but you're hanging out in a different environment than you have. Also, at the same time, things are said behind those doors that are not said other places.

It's always interesting to me to see the confidence of people coming out of it. Because I do think there's a world where you generally try your best not to express emotion and not to lead somebody on, but you're telling all of them, like, a life with you would be great. This is super fun. I'm so glad we get this time. And you don't mean to be leading them on,

but you also don't know what's going to be happening next. And so you're saying whatever you're feeling at the time, it feels like to me, Ashley, they did set her up to have a little doubt, 100%. Totally make sense. And I also think it makes me think she's the one in the end because I don't think they would do that unless she was going to be the one chosen, but I don't know if they know that at this point.

Or they're trying to foreshadow another Leslie situation where we're all like quite certain. She seems quite certain and then it's not. But wait, let's just go back just because you said there's so many things that happen behind the closed doors that we don't see. Well, they made sure that Rachel, who ended up saying, I love you or I'm falling in love with you, whatever the difference is. Behind the closed doors on the fantasy suite, she said it there in private, and they were like, okay,

but in the morning you're going to sit down and you're going to tell everybody that that's what she said. Yeah. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit.

Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy?

That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor, and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor? or not. To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the Iheart

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Open your free IHeartRadio app. Search Emergency Intercom and listen now. I want to kind of skip forward then here with what you were just saying there and say, I wonder if the note how much it hints back to the fantasy suite or how much it hints to her doubts. I think it'd be one of two. I think it can be the motion kind of flowing through her

and overwhelming her and her having all these concerns and questions because her feelings are so strong. Or it could be something that was said in the fantasy suites that she's holding on to and now she has a few,

like maybe he did say, hey, you're the one at the end. Yeah. And then there's a few days removed and she's going, if he said that, he better have meant it. Like, he better have meant that.

If not, like, and I've got to confront him about it because right now I'm tail spinning thinking about him going on another date after me and he said yes to that date why would he say yes to that date if I am the one in the end like it's going to be one of those two I think yeah especially since there was that voiceover

where she says I just don't want I want to leave now if it's not going to be me or something along those lines and what I'm scared about is that she's going to go up to him and like just play it a little bit wrong and just like it's not wrong But, you know, it's kind of like a Sean Booth move.

Let's make this theme, a theme. Kind of like, if it's not me, you got to tell me it's me right now. You know what I mean? I'm afraid that she's going to go up to him and say, if it's not me, let me go now. And then it's like, okay, well, you know that this is part of the process. You can't do that. Like, you know, he's going to eliminate, we're supposing Rachel. And then you just got to get through one more week.

But I'm really scared about, like, her just saying, like, I can't do it any longer. If it's me, if it's not me, I'm leaving. Yeah, it is. That's a Shambu scenario. It's kind of the ultimatum that you don't want to place on somebody, especially when he has no options there. Like, he can't be like, no, you have to stay because you are the one. Yeah, he can't do that. He can't do it.

It's the format of the show. It's why this last few weeks gets messy, I think. You really do feel like you're holding on by a thread to every relationship you have. because even the people you're most confident in are now starting to have doubt and they're starting to ask you questions like, well, if it's me, then why are you going on other fantasy sweet dates? And you're like, I don't really know. I can't. I don't have a good answer for that. Because I have to. It's the formula. Yeah. Like, sorry. I'm still signed up for a show. I'm still on a show and this is how the show works. And I don't really have another option.

And so can you, can you like forget that I did this? Are you, I mean, like, Ashley, in your perfect world here, and this is a question fans ask every season. They'll give Joey criticism for this. I know they will. It happens every year to every lead, Bachelor or Bachelor. You're down to the final three.

It's Fantasy Suite Week. Say you know who you're choosing. You're like so convinced. What is an option that you could do? Like, could you just say no to all three? Could you just not go to any fantasy suite? Do you say yes to all three? Do you go to two, not three?

You say goodbye to one? Like, what is the best option here that fans want to see if they know that you're convinced? The closest option is kind of what Colton did. I know that Cassie was like, I'm leaving. But he was like, okay, I'm ending the show now. No, I'm leaving. I'm going to, I'm done with this. I'm following her.

Yeah. I think cold situation was a little unique. And we found out that there was more layers. But then let's also just talk about how we, I do feel like producers really wanted to use that fear of joys, that the person that he would want to be with would not choose him. And I just think that this was the best way of doing something was like, harnessing on her

her like worry that Leslie instilled in her and then just like messing with his brain somehow I am confused and we'll move on past this to Daisy's day here in just a second I am a little bit confused and I hesitate to say this because I don't want to criticize somebody for being honest about where they're at and I think Joey's doing that.

I am a little confused on how this insecurity continues to seep in every week right now because he has three women that are very, very convincing that they will be there with him in the end. Like he is getting the validation he needs. These women are very into them. They're given all the signs.

Now, you know, insecurities are weird. Sometimes they don't need to make sense to the outside world because, you know, they're internal. And I know that he's living in that and holding on to that. But at this point now, outside of charity's experience, because I think he's way removed from that.

I don't know how, I mean, I really don't know how much that still affects him, honestly. Like, what is it in his life or what is it through this process that has made him think that any of these women are going home? I have seen no hints at it. Zero hints until this week. Maybe just trying. They're trying. It's showing a little bit of relatability.

But I think he really feels it. Maybe he's been convinced that he feels it more than he has. actually is. And I'm wondering if this note that Kelsey wrote will, like, kind of spark that up in him. Also, it's not that scary. It says we need to talk. It's not like, be scary. Oh, that would be the scariest thing. You think that's the scariest of all of them? Oh, my goodness. What if she's like, I just wanted to talk because, like, I miss you so much. I just want to sit down with you. Sure. And that sounds like something my wife would do when she calls me. He's like, hey, we got to talk when I get home. And I'm like, about what? What's happening? Like, tell me more. My dad does that.

He goes, I need to speak with you. Like, he'll text me that. I'm like, are you kidding me? What the hell does that mean? Yeah, give me more context. I start freaking out. Like, when he answers the phone and he's like, I just, I just wanted to tell you that I had this piece of mail.

And I was like, what? I had a good piece of pizza day. You're like, you cannot do that anymore. Like, you have to give me some context for what you're asking me, because my mind always, we've talked about both of our minds always go to the worst case scenarios, like give me the benefit of the doubt here. So I don't know why she just says we need to talk. Why didn't she say, hey, Joey, I'm missing you and I can't wait to see, but we need to talk.

Well, yeah, we know that. We know why she couldn't say something reassuring beforehand. She needs to instill all the fear. But there's also one another insecurity that Joey has that we've seen between his two seasons. And that gets brought up on the Daisy date. So we'll go over to the Daisy date where he discusses with her that he's just very worried that somebody is really going to get to know him and he's not going to be enough for him he's not going to be that great of a guy he has this perpetual insecurity that he's just not as good as what people think he is and it again i

still get a little concerned i'm like joey what are you like in a relationship like why are why are you so scared because now you're scaring me maybe you do have this dark side yeah i mean it's it's it's a very valid insecurity and in fact i think there's a a person type that just has that intrinsic like I'm a fraud mentality, right? Imposter syndrome all the time through everything, especially when you're the bachelor. When you're the bachelor, you mean... It makes sense as the bachelor. Yeah, Joey goes from like what, living with his sister in Philly to them being the bachelor in nice suits and like having 30 women chase out. Now, granted, I'm sure Joey's never hurt to get good attention and he deserves it all. He's a great dude. But he's probably at moments

looking back on his life and be like outside of this experience guys like this is not what my life looks like and that concerns me that scares me this i had this conversation when i was on the show with the final two was do you realize that life outside of this is not this like i don't you know i'm in bed at 930 and i like don't go on a lot of vacations and yes you know having a following on instagram does help people get you on vacation more and have more of an exciting life. But for the most part, I'm still a software salesman and I still sit at a cubicle in this small little office and I get paid like a little bit above minimum wage. So just understand that all of this is amazing. It's not who I am. It's not what my life looks like. I would love

to provide everything that, you know, the person that I love desires. But there's going to be that sacrifice. There's a story, actually, that came up with me when I was doing my season. And I have a friend whose parents had been married for a long time. And I'll never forget this conversation that we had. They were very wealthy. At this point in their life, they were living in this beautiful big home. We would always go out by the pool. And one night I was over there for dinner, sitting around the table. And they started talking about how for the first like eight years of their life, they were living in this like. Their life together. Yeah, their life together, their marriage together. So kind of up until they were like early 30s. They were living in this small

little condo in downtown San Francisco. And it was like in this really tough area. And they had they were talking about the food that they had to eat for dinner at night because there's the only thing they could afford. And I, and that's a lot of people's stories. I understand that. But what it showed, I remember this feeling. And I was like, wait, now this is where they live. And they've been in love then and now. Like they're in love in both places. They're in love in both places. They love each other. They would go through, you know, anything as long as they were together. And that's the kind of love you're looking for.

And I think it's kind of love that it's a hard thing to get when you're on this show is, are you cool? Are we still going to do this thing? Do you love me even if our life does not look like this? Yeah. That's a good point. And so it's that insecurity. I also think that Joey is a very humble human.

I don't think he has a very, like, narcissistic, ego. autistical high view of himself, which I think is a very admirable quality. I think it's a very good quality to have. And I think some would go, oh, he has to have a dark side. I don't think that's what he's saying at all. I think people in The Bachelor World tried to go, Ben, there must be a dark side, right? Oh, he has this dark side thing going on. It's like, maybe I do. I'd love to have a little bit of a dark side. I would love to find that dark side if it exists. But my point always was, like, do you just have to understand that this is not my life. It's not that I have a hidden secret. It's that this is not my life. And I want to know that you're in it no matter what. Yeah. Well, he did give

a specific this time. He said in my last relationship with this woman in Hawaii, she told me that I didn't make her feel special enough. And that could be something that he like wasn't mature enough in the relationship at the point to give her everything that she needed. But also, like, maybe they just weren't a compatible match. Yeah. I don't know what that means. I hear that, like, you don't make me feel special enough. I have no clue what that means.

Yeah. Like, I don't know how to do that as a partner. Like, I wouldn't know how to, other than to support my wife well and to, like, make her feel beautiful and go on dates and, you know, look at her and sit down with her for dinner and listen to her when she wants to tell me a story. I don't know how to make any other human feel anything differently than what they're feeling about themselves. Well, I heard recently this week,

I'm not sure if it was you that said it, that like somebody was in marriage counseling, oh, okay, it wasn't you. Somebody was in marriage counseling, and the counselor said, if you could, what are the three things that will make marriage, just feel better for you, make you feel more special,

I suppose, if you implemented it this week. And it was just like hug more, go to bed at the same time together, just like even if they're just going to lie there on their phone just to be closed and stuff like that. And we don't know whether or not this woman was vocal about how to make her feel special. But I guess if Joey was ignoring the things that she told him would make her feel better. That's a lesson learned though. That's not like a, that's not a character flaw. That's not something that, like, he wants to continue doing.

I'm just saying if I enter into any romantic relationship and the person's like, what I need from you is for you to make me feel special. I said, okay, how can I do that? And they're like, just make me feel special. Oh, yeah, of course. I'm lost. Like, I've got nothing. I was saying, hopefully the person would be explanatory as to what would make them feel good.

I've got, I do not have that trait. Neither you and I are very concerned about Joey making people feel special or Joey being a good partner. Okay. So let's continue. with the Daisy date. My biggest complaint about this date was that there was like too much making out and not enough talking. Yeah. Well, I wonder to, I don't know, Daisy as a human, you know, but Sandra's advice to Daisy was to spice things up a little bit. I think you can summarize it

with like, hey, you can find ways to spice this up a little bit. Bad, you caught me. You're right. That was supposed to be the theme. It was the theme. Like, Daisy, you and, you and Joey, have great conversation. You connect on great levels, right? You have this playful relationship. But I think Daisy left that conversation with Sondor being like, I'm going full force into sex it up. Yeah.

Like, let's make out. Like, I want to like, I mean, I mean, it was set up with like a shower scene. Yeah. That was all set up for them. Basically. They wrote the ATV for like 30 seconds and then they just shower. Let's go shower. It's like, okay.

I mean, cool. That's fine, right? Ashley, you've got to tell me if I'm just a pervert. But there's a line that Daisy says, and it makes me laugh. And I could just be like a middle school boy here and like not knowing like and making everything sexual. But there's a line that Daisy says that talking about the relationship, but then she says, and it's growing in all the right ways. And they do a slow-mo camera down to like their crotch line.

So, okay. And I'm like, that's either very ironic or this show has weird minds, but it made me giggle. I don't know if anybody else recognized this. It did make me giggle. And I, and I don't, like, there is an innuendo there. Of course. I didn't pick up on it. I don't know why.

Now I feel like. So I am a weirdo. No, I feel too innocent. I get it. I knew I would be. I just had to say it. No, knowing Daisy's sense of humor, I think she said it on purpose. Okay.

it was very quick but like she's talking and then they do this like slow mo down to them in the shower at at you know at a sight line that's like none of us really care to see that anyways this isn't why we're watching the show but she's saying this in the background as it's talking i'm like i wonder if that's just one of those moments where an editor was behind the scenes being like perfect so good no this is everybody is involved with that i'm once again watching this in my kids playroom like with him like playing with cars in the background so like i may not have picked up on like the sexual stuff and the you know

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Yeah this day is Definitely a more physical date The chemistry and connection is as strong as I've felt the whole time. There is no lagging for me with the Kelsey and Daisy date. Oh, see, there was for me. So I was like, oh, I think this is an order. I think the dates are in order because when he saw Daisy and when she was like,

I forgot something or like one more thing I have for you. Oh, I do agree with this. He didn't seem that excited about it. He was like, okay, ready now? Yes. It looks like he was like, I'm not ready to move on from the Kelsey date. You're right. and I did pick up on that.

I knew exactly what you're going to say when you said it was, yes, she goes, there's one more. And it was that like, it was very cute and very like, kind of spur of the moment. But yeah,

his response was like, all right, cool. We're good now? Like, it felt like it wasn't what he wanted at the time. I know. I think he got there.

Like, they got hot and heavy and all that. Sure. But initially, I don't think he was in the right mindset. Yeah. Well, Fantasy Sweet Week is exhausting.

you know you're going back to back to back to back you're not getting any sleep no matter what is going on in the fantasy suite room it is more connectionable than any other week at we at date three you're pretty much like i cannot wait to get this over with because i think the show typically gives you almost like two days to rest i was going to say ben can you give us a timeline i'm sure you've done this before but please refresh all of our memories do you have back to back fantasy sweet days or do you have um in between days you have a you have you usually get done with it's exhausting so you have a fantasy sweet day date spend the night wake up uh usually early early uh you know have breakfast you're usually i would say leaving that date at 10 a.m okay so you're leaving the date at 10 a.m you go and do your ITMs so you do the interviews uh till lunch you have lunch after lunch, typically you're doing like pickups till like five. Okay. So like you're either doing media interviews. You're doing like behind the scenes like shots. You're doing B roll. You're doing anything that like that episode needs as the lead. As a contestant, um, you're kind of like free.

You're not really doing much. You're just kind of chilling after that. But the lead and you're full grind until like dinner time. Then after dinner time, you're going. to sleep and you're waking up the next morning and starting all over again, right? Like very early again. So you don't really get it. I mean, you do get a day. At least you have one buffer day where you're not seeing someone. Those days were more exhausting for me because you're just getting thrown around and you're getting tossed around in a thousand directions and asked a thousand questions about all these dates. And by the time you're at date three, you're getting asked questions now about the week and your feelings

and the comparisons and all those things. You're so tired. So, is it weird that he's kind of over it? No. Does it say anything about their relationship? I don't think it does because he did get into it at some point. But he's probably like, I would prefer, again, I'd prefer just to not have any dates this week. I'm so tired. I'm so tired. Okay. Well, I'm just glad that you have one day in between. So it's not like you're going from one fantasy suite to the fantasy suite to the fantasy suite. I mean, there's just, yeah, that you couldn't. Would you rather that? You just bang him out without any interviews. them out. Yeah, literally, goodness, Ashley. Holy cow. Whoops. Okay. Moving on.

Anything else about Daisy's date? No, you picked up on it. I do think it didn't lack. Again, I'll go back and I'll say, Kelsey and Daisy did not set, there's relationships back for me. I do think there was that weird moment that felt like off a little bit.

It could have just been off. But I'll leave Daisy's date going 100% in my mind if I was a betting man, it's Daisy and Kelsey next week. Rachel's going home in a very sad exit because I think she's great, but I do think she's going home. I think Daisy and Kelsey will be there at the end. I think he's going to eliminate Rachel not in a row ceremony because I don't think we've got any teases of a rose ceremony

with three girls standing there. Yeah, I don't think he does. I think rose ceremonies at this point are very optional, and I don't think they're necessary. I don't think they're needed. I think the only thing we might see is, you know, him talk to whoever he's sending home, they go home, and then the two others show up to a rose ceremony. He's like, hey, you're here. And then my favorite part of every season happens.

You know what that is? Neal Lane. No, the very awkward three-person hug with the two people at the very end and the lead giving this like, hey, we're still in it together, like very awkward moment. Yeah. Yeah, that's very awkward. where everybody stands around and you still cheers together but you're looking at the other person and you're like we were way past this I like you as a human I don't want to see you here like

this is very awkward for me this is my boyfriend the other person's going this is my boyfriend it's a very weird scenario to navigate I don't know if I first see that that even moment even because we haven't seen anything like that we haven't seen these girls in dresses

they keep us fast forwarding to the finale scene which is the last point I really want to make on this podcast is there have been some spoiler-esque things that have come out over the past couple weeks from multiple people in the franchise

I'm not going to call out who they might be and there's multiples and Jesse's voiceover made me think that they're almost like playing into that because he said like you think you know what's going to happen

like you don't okay am I over? yeah am I over analyzing that line because I really do I in my soul I think I know who he ends up with okay but I don't think it's going to be a conventional happy ending because it keep teasing that it's not going to be and maybe the tease is just so so good but Jesse also says that we've never seen anything like that oh no no no even Joey himself says this couldn't have possibly happened before has it he says that I think Joey saying it holds a different weight for me you remember how you and I started to complain a few years ago about how the show

overhyped everything like they were like the most dramatic season ever you know the only thing that really lived up was Hannah Brown moving the podium and then the whole we did a windmill and then the fence and then the fence jump those are like the things that are like iconic yeah exactly like 100% right so I I'm hoping the show isn't going back and falling back into that kind of rhythm of over dramatizing for the public to stay and pay attention because ultimately the show loses the fans trust, which I think is why people stop watching. But with Joey saying it, I do think there's something that neither you nor I know that happens. My gut tells me it's not as big of a deal as what they're hyping it up to be.

But I don't know that for certain. Like, I have no idea. I'm just saying I don't, I don't know what that could be. Like, I have no idea what could happen here in the final two that makes it something that's never happened before. But the show has surprised me every season that feels like there's something different that happens at the very end that, you know, really throws us for a loop. I just don't know what it could be.

It could be as simple but dramatic as the woman who doesn't get paid. picked, just having a very strange reaction. Yeah, smacking him. Yeah. Yeah. That would be something that we've never seen before. I don't see it with these two. I don't see it with these two.

Who knows? It's going to keep us engaged in intrigue. Not like that we need anything to keep us engaged in intrigue this season. I think the fans are very happy with how the season's going. I'm getting more people than ever coming up to me being like, are you watching this season? What do you think happens with Joey? I do, you know, in my workout class that I take here, the hot Pilates at Duality in Denver, it's me, about three other dudes and 30 women. Like, I know for the first time they're watching this season. I've been going

here for three, four years. This season, they're asking me more questions than ever. It's fun for me. They're very engaged this season. Yeah. I got to see my best friend yesterday and she hasn't watch the show in years, and she was asking me a whole bunch of questions. Yeah, it's great. It's really fun. Okay, Ashley, we are going to close out here. We do have a lot more content to get prepared for. We have a big week ahead of us. Obviously, we're going to continue the breakdown. The Bachelor season, we got almost good advice, which has been a ton of fun and a big success for us. We have some great interviews coming out. So we do have a busy week in front of us to kind of close out. I'm not going to share my opinion because I really don't have one necessarily

and not one that I could speak to, what do you think this letter is intending and meaning? How do you think we see that whole letter situation play out? Is it being over-dramatized? Is it a big deal? Is it something that's very forgettable? Just what's your thoughts? I think that if there's something between the two,

between the two teases, the note will be the less dramatic event. Okay. I think it could simply just, Kelsey wanting just like a little like another conversation a little bit more affirmation okay that makes sense I uh about you I don't know like I said I don't have an opinion really to speak on right now it's I typically can formulate what I think is going to be I don't want to over analyze it because it could be way more emotional than I expect and it could be game changing for the whole process

um I will only say this what if this is the thing that we're hearing Joey say this has never happened before right yeah oh I think that we actually see his mouth move oh they're good at that actually they're good at that maybe his back maybe his back is turned but he is present when they put that over I'm not saying just don't leave it out this could be the moment that changes everything okay okay okay now next week we have women tell all but I also think we're going to get more of this I don't think it's going to be a full two hours just basically, which is good. We love it.

We love not seeing a lot of, we love not having a big living deal. I can't watch two hours of Sydney and Maria fighting. It's not what I want to see. We don't. We want a happy, we want a happy come together moment

for everyone there. And that'll be it. Don't we all? Okay. Hey, Ashley, it's been great. We're coming to the end of the season, which is sad in a lot of ways.

But we do, as I mentioned, have a lot of good things coming your way here at the Almost Famous podcast. The fun part about this time of the year is soon we'll start having these interviews with some of the people that are your favorites from this season, including Joey, The Bachelor to, you know, the marias and the Sydney's, hopefully of the world. We're going to have great interviews coming out, getting more of a lay of the land of this season and the behind the scenes of everything going on.

So we'll be back. But until next time, I've been Ben. I've been Ashley. See you guys. Thank you. Follow the Ben and Ashley I, almost famous podcast on IHeartRadio, or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious.

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