The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Welcome to Paradise

Episode Date: August 17, 2021

We’re finally heading back to the beach for the new season of Bachelor in Paradise! Ben and Ashley are talking to all your favs about all the drama. We’re live from the BIP premiere, catching up with Aaron & Tre, Hannah Ann, Jessenia, Kenny, Mike Johnson, Natasha, Tammy, Victoria and Connor! Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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shines paradise time oh my gosh ben watching this had me feeling PTSD I know that we shouldn't use that out of like true context but like wells used it though so I mean I wasn't pretty traumatized to be honest it's actually pretty close to the true definition I was feeling Joe so much and there's just like this sense that I get every season that comes around it's just like I am so grateful that I am married. I married Jared and I don't have to be there suffering. But okay. So this is how we're going to kick it off.

And I think it's super interesting. You, I feel like you go back and forth on this because I tell people in my time with that you really love Paradise, but yet there's moments where you're like, I hated this experience. This felt like you just said suffering. So what is it, Ashley? Did you like it or do not? No, Ben, I did not have a great, and I did not have a good time there. Did I get a lot out of it? Yeah. I like grew so much of the experience. I got so much more mature, um, relationship experience, just like communication. Like, I got so much out of it. But very few moments were enjoyable. But it's, oh, it's like this, um, it's kind of like this Jonas Brothers quote that I love to throw out there all the time. the line of the lyric of the song is the days that seem the worst the days that were the

worst seem to glow now and it's kind of like that where it's like when I think back on it I only think I usually first think of the good moments and like even this there's like a there's like even a glow to the suffering right because everything turned out good yeah I get that but I enjoyed my bachelor experience so much more like that was just pure fun on. Okay. Okay. So you enjoyed the Bachelor experience. The Bachelor experience was more fun. Paradise. I wonder, Ashley, if your situation's a tad unique because... Oh, it sure is. Well, and I'll say it why. Because your husband was on that beach with you, which adds, like, I would have to imagine it, it intensifies the situation. You maybe didn't know it at the time. You maybe thought, oh my gosh, I really like this guy. But there was like a deep love and connection between the two of you that was. on the beach which made this so much more like heavy like it was so real it was so real to you yeah like people say like oh go and have fun it's just like no no there's no fun about finding your person and it needing to work out you feel like then you feel like it needs to happen then or it's

never going to happen but then for us i mean it truly did not have to happen then and it was supposed to go slower but definitely but yeah i think that from like my fan viewers point of view is probably one of the reasons. Do you think the people today, after watching, we're going to get into a couple things here for all of you friends out there listening. We're going to announce a really exciting thing that we have going on that will involve all of you. We need all of you listening to be involved in this as well. The second piece of this is we're going to break down this week's episode of Paradise. But I really kind of watched this week's episode, and I was like, I need to ask Ashley some questions.

Do you think the people today go on the beach with a similar mindset to which you and your friends at the time were going on that beach? You know, after watching this episode, I kind of feel like yes. I feel like there was a lot of people that genuinely were looking for their partner and they know, I think it's different because on The Bachelor, you're kind of like, oh, the odds are really against me. I don't even know. You're like, I'm just doing this for fun.

like I'm doing this for this reason or that reason. But then when you've already gone through the process and you know how real the feelings are that develop, I think you go into Paradise with more of like an authentic heart. That's so interesting because I think so many people, myself included, I'm guilty of this, we watch Paradise and like, you know, I hear people all the time now, ask me, were you ever on that Paradise show?

That show's so wild, but I love it. I think people think that Paradise is just this big party that is an excuse for people to stay famous and get back into relevancy but I see it consistently and I got to talk to Wells about this in Memphis just a week and a half ago

how intense these relationships become over time and so it is almost like maybe is it, do you feel like it's a shock to the contestant system once all of a sudden they get there and they go oh my gosh like this isn't just fun in games anymore yeah because

just the experience itself is such a it's just so different from being on the main show because on the main show you're like oh you know I can show up and like be prime me whenever the bachelor the bachelorette's around and like I'm off just goofing off with my friends most of the time but then in paradise you realize like it just never ever stops and the the contestants kind of let that on during this episode where they're like like oh my gosh like socially i had to be on for so long and it felt like if i wanted to just relax and like take a breather from it that i was going to fall behind so there is like more of a

constant pressure to be on and like fighting for what you want and you're always scared that somebody's going to come in and sneak the person that you want away so i just think it's a more pressure-filled environment and at the same time because it never stops it means that you also never stop having time with the person that you like. So I think feelings in relationships develop so much faster. But yeah, but that comes with so much pressure

because you're like, if I don't, if I'm not with them for like five minutes, what's going to happen? And that's just scary. It's just like you're constantly scared. It sounds, Ashley, you know, I've gotten to know you well and listeners have gotten to know you well.

I'm shocked you could do Paradise well. I don't know if I could because. I didn't do it well. Well, you got married. Okay, hey, moving on here a little bit into really the final piece nugget that I find interesting. And I don't know if anybody else will. But that doesn't matter because I got the mic. I was looking back last night as we were watching the episode.

And I was looking at some of the Instagram and a following of some past Bachelor in Paradise contestants. It is interesting to me how. large of a following these contestants gain from Paradise. Like most of the women especially from this experience, the Paradise Show, have more followers than our last Bachelorette, Katie Thurston. There is a huge, I wonder if the audience watches Paradise and they feel like they can relate a little bit more from it. And as a result, they become followers of the people on the show.

Am I crazy? Is this interesting at all? Or is this just a weird thought? I think you're probably looking at people who have ended up in relationships and engaged and married from the show and possibly had kids in the show. So, like, that makes sense because every time there's, like, a big life landmark, you go up a bit. But I also was thinking while watching this episode, like, oh, my gosh, this show. Well, I mean, my personal opinion, it's just like, I like this show so much more than the main show because you get to see actual personalities. It's like a lot of the things that we see

feel like moments that we'd see in the blooper part of the main show. It's just everybody just seems like more of like a real person than like this part than a person like reading from a script of like what they should say when they're falling in love. Interesting.

Well, Ashley, love your insight. We're going to continue to tap into your insight as we move through the podcast. Let's take a break here. When we come back, we're going to start breaking down this week's episode of Bachelor in Paradise. We're going to talk about David Spade.

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this because there's a few things that we got wrote into us that people are interested in. One of them is what was your overall honest feelings? We know that you and I both care deeply for Chris Harrison. Obviously, we're moving into a season now. We're no longer watching Chris on the Bachelor, Bachelor, and Bachelor in Paradise. So we're getting used to it. We've shared our opinions about how well we thought Caitlin and Tasia did for the roles that they were getting. given on The Bachelorette, however, we personally felt like the show was missing Chris during The Bachelor, or the familiarity of the show was no longer there, and it's changing, and we're getting used to it. Now, we roll in the paradise. So with that being considered,

what was your thoughts on David Spade and Wells filling those shoes? To be completely honest. I don't think David Spade added anything, and I think it just should have in Wells. Interesting. Why do you feel like, though? Well, Wells did most of the actual hosting. He told the contestants what was going to happen to them throughout the week. And then even there was that moment where David was like, I was gone last night.

Wells, what happened? Catch me up. And it's just like, this is kind of ridiculous. Like, why didn't we just have Wells who fits so well in the Paradise role? It doesn't make any sense. Like with Caitlin and Tasha, like we had two alums. They did what they did great with the main show. And then we have Wells who just seems like a.

natural fit who's already there as a sidekick normally. And if he's going to deal with the rose ceremonies as well, it's just like, I don't understand why we didn't just have him do everything. He's obviously a confidant for the contestants. They feel very comfortable with him. And David Spade was like, you know, of course he was funny in parts, but I didn't, I wasn't thinking previously that his apathetic type of humor, how it would be here. and it actually just came across to me

like he was sort of disinterested in it. Yeah, okay. So I think if you asked a producer on the show, they would say David Spade was there for the comedic relief. He was maybe not, I mean, I think that's probably what. I don't think we need comedic. I don't think we need comedic relief on this show. No, not on Paradise.

There was already plenty. Yeah, that's interesting. Well, I, uh... Taj Wan took the comedic relief. She's so outrageous, hilarious. I love her. She's just sweating bullets on that scene. And I'm like, that poor girl is miserable.

And somehow she found herself back on this beach. And she is just so unhappy. And I have a feeling this Paradise season goes well for her. I don't know if it does, but I hope it does. Anyways, so you're in the camp of, hey, Wells can do this thing. Like, we're watching Wells form into this host. He's obviously a professional. a host by trade for years. I wonder if in the future, Wells will just carry this Paradise

show on his own. But for right now, we do have guest hosts coming in. And it is interesting to watch Wells kind of come to age in a sense in front of our eyes. And I do think he carried the show well last night. I think he needed a great job. Okay, but you be honest too. Do you really feel like David Spade was necessary? I think it was necessary from an idea point before the show started. I don't know. I'm not, and I don't know this. I don't know if anybody expected Wells to be able to carry this show on his own. Uh, and I think the guest host was almost like a security blanket and a, and kind of like a risk eliminator just in case Wells couldn't do it. But I think you and I both knew Wells could. I don't know if the, if others felt that way. But after watching

the first episode, I'm like, of course he can't. Like, we don't need anybody else. And, and, I really think for me it hit me when Joe and Wells were talking because I've been in a situation similar right on on Winter Games and I had you there to kind of like work with and I was like this is all a reminder of something that went terribly wrong and I'm sad and I don't want to be here and this is overwhelming and it's and I and I feel like I'm now kind of trapped but yet it's also healthy because I know this is like a step in the right direction for me I get that like I can relate with Joe in those moments and I felt deeply for him and Chris filled that role for me during that time where I got to sit with him and I'm like,

man, we've got to be together outside of this show. You know, like, my heart. Like, I just need you in this moment. You were the same person for me. I saw it with Wells and Joe. And I know for Joe, that was a big moment in his life. Like a really big moment for him to take the next step forward. And Wells did it great. And he cared deeply. And I know he does care deeply because I get to talk to him off, you know, off the show. Mm-hmm. Yeah. So, yeah, I don't know if we need them. We'll see. We'll continue to see how the other hosts go.

And I'm sure that David is probably there for two weeks. Yeah, I don't think he's there long. And I mean, he was so funny at the end. So funny when he talked about the crabs because he's right. Crabbs are really spiders with a good PR team. And we talk about it every year. But just remind our listeners, before we jump in, right up next is the Bachelor in Paradise Breakdown.

How bad are the crabs on the beach? Are they really everywhere? No, they really are everywhere. And you really can't open a door without, like, one there and, like, afraid of killing one because they, like, love hanging out in the cracks of the door. They are everywhere. And as long as you don't look at that, like, really think about how much they are spider-like, it's okay.

But then, like, but when you do, you're like, oh, my God, these are just, like, spiders that crawl around all over the place, except for they have really funny expressions. Like, they truly look like you caught them in the middle of a commitment. a crime every time you look at them. Yeah, they're, they're not just spiders to me. I've been in paradise and I've gotten to do a few things down there at different points. Like, those crabs are intense. They're bigger. They have chompers. They're hard. They look at you. Spiders, at least like half the time you don't see them. And when you do, you're just so much bigger than them.

Crabs are a little bit more intimidating to me. I don't know. Really? Yeah, they are. Anyways, Ashley, here we go. We're going to break down this week's episode. of Bachelor in Paradise. I'm going to let you take it away. Let's start, I think, at the entrances, and all of them are very similar. But I want to talk to you, because Jessica and I got to watch Bachelor in Paradise,

with Kenny's entrance. Obviously, it's a huge deal. Yeah, let's talk about the ones that really stood out. What in the world? He was not really new. There's no way. Well, I asked, like, we were watching it. We went backwards.

I don't think he was, but yet some of the guys said he was because no, like, there was not one person there who acted like, whoa, there is a, you know, there is a, there is an antenna hanging out of, you know, hanging off of Kenny and it's staring me in the face. Like all of them were very, way too comfortable for him to be completely naked, right? Or is that just paradise? Is everybody cool with this? No, no. That was exactly what I was thinking. And there's no way these girls are just going up and giving him. hugs. Yes, the hugs are from far away, but like he definitely had one of those sock things on. There's no way that Mari sat down with him on a bed while his penis was just hanging out next to her during their first conversation. Yeah, I mean, and if so, I want to know because they made it seem like he was. They even had contestants saying that he was. Yeah. Yet it was, just nobody reacted in the way I thought they would. Like I, even for me, right? I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I've been in locker rooms. I see myself every day.

I think I would have been thrown off. Like just to at least have a reaction of like, whoa. Like that's new. Like that's intense. We needed some Justin facial expressions for this. Oh, they definitely should have montage that in. Yeah. So I don't know for sure.

My vote is that it's not. We'll find out. We'll let you know. Other entrances that kind of, surprised you. Obviously, we have Victoria. We have a Tammy entrance where it's very comfortable

with David's baby. She doesn't know who he is. Who else stood out to you in their entrances? I mean, Abigail was cute and flustered. I think Joe is so authentic to himself. I like the way he was wearing just a regular t-shirt.

Yeah. We'll talk about Victoria. let's talk about Victoria for a second. The goddess thing, she's definitely less extra than she was last time. But I think she's going to have a hard time getting somebody to give her a rose. And she hasn't been getting as much screen time as we would expect. So I don't know if she's going to be sticking around next week.

And I think Taj Wan was just hilarious. She like legit, did she leave on her own last season? last season because she couldn't deal with the heat. I think she did. Yeah. I think she's like, I'm over it. I'm just going to pretend like that's what happened. And now she's back and she's just hilarious. I get it. The way that I'm feeling now, like if I was pregnant and down there, well, I already told them I could not go because I would die. Like, I would die. But normally I'm okay with the heat. But like if you're somebody who can't deal with the heat and you're down there, it's basically like you're not functional. Because there's no escape. Yeah, there's

no air conditioning, right, other than the boom boom room. No, the boom boom room does not have air conditioning. The interview rooms have air conditioning. Oh, wow. So like the boom boom room with like a real legit bed, you're sleeping with another human and like... And you're just sweaty. Oh, I thought the reason that, uh, um, jaden Tanner chose the boom boom room to like move into is because it was air conditioned. No. It's, it's, there's a boom boom room and then there's where Jade and Tanner were. They used to sleep at, like, the top of the, quote, tree house. And that's, like, a really private area with, like, a king bed. And there's, like, a couple big fans on it.

Yeah, that makes sense. Okay. So another couple that stood out to me just with excitement that we haven't mentioned is Brendan makes a huge appearance. And he's good looking as ever. He did not get the, like, I don't know if there's a guy there yet that stood out to me where it's like, oh, this is the guy that everybody's going to go after.

He was what I thought would be, him and Ivan. But neither of them... I thought he and Joe. I thought all the girls would be over Joe. You know, it's interesting. I wonder, I think they could have. But I think Joe's first impression to them was like, hey, I'm not ready, which, you know,

these girls are like, okay, I'm going to pull away. I'm going to focus on somebody else. Like, give him the time and respect he deserves. So we just didn't see it. But the guys that were very open. I thought Ivan and Brendan really bring in, like, be the ones that everybody was going after. And it's just not that way yet. Usually you see kind of the hot commodities. Serena P was obviously one of them. But with the guys, there isn't one yet, necessarily.

Yeah, I would say you're probably right. I feel like Joe was the main character of this entire episode. And I just like want people to like kind of put themselves in his shoes. Like I feel it in paradise, exactly where he was. But you can put yourself in like, think of where you met like a significant other and think about like where you guys would go the restaurants you would go like whether it was college and it's like the actual campus or whatnot and then like all the sudden years later after experiencing what you did with them you go into that same spot and you're expected to find something with somebody else it is it'll it'll whack you out you know and you are only going to reminisce

and like you're feeling all this nostalgia. And I bet you that Joe in that moment was just thinking like there was, there had to be a thought like maybe I should be back with Kendall. I think, yeah, the emotions flooded in. And I know, Jessica and I are like this. I've always been a believer that when you end a relationship that was a good relationship, but it needed to end for whatever reason, right? You weren't meant for each other.

it is important or it's it's healthy to have a respect and admiration for that human still to care for them deeply to know that you want what's best for them for them to find love or whatever it is they're out there pursuing like you don't i don't think there's any health unless the relationship was very unhealthy in disliking or hating or wishing anything ill on that x and i think for joe being getting to be around kindle and joe you know many times through this podcast and through other events, they're both terrific humans who care deeply for each other

and I think they still have a lot of respect for each other even though the relationship needed to end, which probably makes those emotions even harder because they're probably confusing because now he's back in that environment feeling and remembering some of the past. Yeah. Right?

Totally. Yeah. And isn't it funny when you have a breakup? You only remember the momentous moments, the good and the bad. And so if that, beach is full of good momentous moments for him and Kindle. Those are the things he's remembering. He's not remembering the disagreements about where to live and the disagreements about

what life was going to look like. He's only remembering the good. And he's surrounded by all these people who are fresh to the environment and experiencing it for the first time. And they just don't understand. Yeah. Because he's the, who, who is. There were like two other alums.

Okay. From Paradise. So it was Tajwan and Demi. Tajwan and Demi and Joe. Yeah, you're right. And we didn't get to see a lot of Demi this episode. I think we will as time continues. We obviously got to really dive into Tajwan and Joe. But okay, so we move out through the entrances. Everybody's now there. They meet each other. David Spade and Wells stand in front of the group and say that the guys now have the roses for this week. How does that change the dynamic, Ashley, especially week one? when everything's new and everything's exciting. Well, of course, the guys are going to feel extreme relief. And then the pressure is so on the girls to, like, even create some sort of rapport with somebody that, like, even if it isn't long-lasting, like, is enough to get you through the week.

And I do think that there's some truth to the matter where it's like, now the guys can kind of lay back and see which girls come up to them. There's definitely, like, more of a power struggle now. It's interesting because also the guy's mentality of this week they got to come to me, they've got to earn it, is okay, right? I mean, it's fine because they have the roses. However, as we've seen in paradise, that dynamic will quickly change next week. And so this like, hey, let them come to me mentality might not be beneficial, especially when the girls now are going to have the roses. And maybe these guys haven't put in the effort that they needed to make these connections.

Is that true? that is true but at least they have a whole other week to kind of make up for it but like i said you know things do move fast and you can see already the coupling up and that's got to be stressful for people who aren't feeling it with anybody yeah let's uh let's dive into that a couple couples that really stood out to both of us uh no and abigail obviously uh abigail gets the first date card she asked noa to come along i uh you know i didn't know how i felt honestly personally about noa from his time on The Bachelorette. Same, same.

But this was incredible. Not, I mean, just watching him and Abigail interact and his care for her as like a human and just wanting to understand her and get to know her and is like just a really beautiful couple so far that I'm, I hope it goes well. I'm into. I know. No, it was a totally different person. Like I kind of like started fresh with him.

I was just like, okay, maybe I didn't know this guy before. I really liked his personality. his demeanor. And I feel like I trust him with Abigail. And at the same time, I feel like Abigail does have a lot more walls up than I would have thought. And she is going to be slow for him to get to know. But it'll be nice to see. I trust that he's going to give her like all the slowness that she needs as long as she's not showing interest in somebody else. Yeah, I agree. You know when I really started to like Noah? What?

So it's obvious that he was into Abigail. There was no like complacency with him. He was, he was into Abigail. This was something he was interested. And she asked him the question. This was like, no, I like you. And I don't know him as a person at all. But she goes, are you surprised that you're on the first date in paradise?

He goes, yes, I am. Because if not, I was going to sneak away to bed. And I was like, Noah, you're my man. Because that's exactly, that's exactly the mindset I would be having is I'll have fun all day until the moment my wall hits. And once it hits, I'm sneaking away to bed. Oh my God. I love the way that Brendan freaked out when I was at Taj Watton was like, you, there's probably going to be a date card that comes in tonight. And you're like, the sun's already set. The sun's like doesn't set there until nine. And you're like, wait a second. You're telling me that I might have to be going on a

date tonight. That would stress me out so much. It's just different. Like, Jessica and I now plan our dates for dinner. I get on open table. And I'm like, Is there a reservation between the six and six-fifteen time frame? Oh, yeah. It's like 7.30 is the latest. We ain't going because Ted Lasso's on and we're going to watch a show starting at nine. It's, uh, it is. It's funny, uh, kind of that mindset.

But that was like something that would make me very anxious and one of the reasons why I think nowadays, I, I just couldn't handle. Okay. So we like knowing Abigail. We're fans. Also, I just want to know, you know, Ashley Nye's opinion on. was just kind of up in the air based on his time of The Bachelor.

Yeah, it wasn't like I disliked him but like he had like more of an edge and I see he's like more of an instigator I felt like Montatia's season. So maybe the takeaway from that is was he the problem or was Bennett actually the problem? And then we, I mean, we can kind of point to that, right? Like we saw some things they were like,

this doesn't feel right. And so maybe just maybe Noah, Noah, no one of the things that conclude one of the things interesting watch. Okay. we see some kisses then we see the other coupling up outside of the date uh Connor Marissa kiss Trey and Tajwang kiss uh that's an interesting one obviously because the uncle narrative which I hope ends now because every time it's said it makes me feel just a little

bit uncomfortable can we like please clarify like this is got to be one of those weird situations where the uncle is super close in age to like the other maybe not maybe not maybe not but like maybe within 15 years you know what I mean yeah yeah that makes sense but uh that should end now, especially if they're going to couple up. Like, I don't need to, I don't need to be playing that scenario in my head too often. We then see Kenny and Morikis, which is something that we probably, I mean, at least I foresaw coming from the start of the show. Like, they were interested in each other.

She was interested in him. So, like, not shocking, but a cool couple to see couple up. Again, I don't know if Kenny's naked the whole time during this. If so, this really intensifies that moment to a level that I don't ever need to see. But something going on. And then, obviously, we talked about Joe talking to Wells. Wells kind of encouraging Joe to stay open and to put himself out there. And we see Joe and Serena P.

Which they're very cute together. I like that. Joe is so awkward. He's great. I know, but that's what's so real. Real. I love it. But like, it was a charming, endearing awkward too.

And it was almost like, oh, I've been there, done that. I don't even care about being smooth anymore. every turn though Joe is awkward like and it's great because like it's it's fantastic to watch because it is relatable but it's a cute couple uh it's one though that does give me anxiety Ashley as this season progresses because we obviously know Kendall shows up to the beach yeah that's going to be hard no matter what oh uh uh I have so many feelings so many feelings about what's going to happen there and uh I'm very nervous for them.

Yeah. And I guess that's all I have to say about that. But like, oh my gosh. It's going to be hard. That was a really real relationship that they put a lot of effort into. It's going to take them having some really healthy, decisive conversations that will be intriguing to watch from our perspective. But yeah, I don't know.

It's hard. And so that's a storyline to continue to watch through Paradise. And hey, kudos to paradise to get both Joe and Kindle to show up. I mean, that's a big deal. I know. And then we see in the teaser that Joe says, Serena, you're the second girl I've ever loved in my life.

Oh, I don't know how that feels. Yeah. Joe, it could have been a Joe awkward moment where he's like, I thought this was going to be cute. Definitely backfired. Hopefully Serena knows him well enough at that point to be like,

all right, Joe. Well, that didn't feel great. But. See, I don't know. I think that that's kind of cute.

Okay. Because she clearly already knows that there was some other girl, that there was a Kendall. Yeah, she does. But that's an age difference. It is. It was, again, I keep going back to us watching it. And Jessica was like, that's 23 is the age of her little brother, who I think she still sees as her little brother, which he is, but he's also a man now, 35, dating a 23-year-old.

If, you know, it's not as like different than being like... 23 in dating eight, you know, somebody that's in college, like different, you know, they're both in life and they're both wanting love and they're both excited about the possibility of it. It could work. It has worked. You know, there's a lot of age difference, but that is an age difference. Same with Mari and Kenny. That's 15 years. Yeah. Yeah, that's interesting. We'll see if that becomes a storyline. Like if age does become a storyline, however, I'm more in the mindset now that as long as the two people are both aligning on their interest in life that can work well, but there's just a lot of life between 23 and 35. I'm a

different human now. That's what it is. Yeah, there is. It's not so much that it's a 12 year age difference. It's the age difference that it is currently, early 20s, mid 30s. Yeah. There's just a lot of life to be lived and a lot of lessons to be learned and a lot of things to develop over that time. So I don't know. I sit in Josie and I honestly, be a little self-conscious. For Serena, I don't know if it matters very much. But if I was Joe, I know that, you know, as you get older, you get a little more self-conscious about that. You're like, how, you know, are you interested in somebody my age? Are you wanting somebody that's like wanting to have dinner at 630 at night and be in bed at 930? Like, is that something

interesting? Are you still wanting to get out there and explore at an energy level that I just no longer am interested in? So, we'll watch it was go. Okay, final big moment. Demi walks down, the step says hi to David. We see Demi enter into paradise. Are you surprised that she's there? And what do you expect at a Demi this time around? I worry that Demi might be too cocky going into this. Okay. I think she thinks she is like, she is like a senior here, right? So there is like a certain seniority and she is a very well-known member of Bachelor Nation. I can understand it hitting your ego a little bit, but she might be walking in a little bit too overconfident. And I'm worried that she's like not, it's, she's not going to make friends

there. It's interesting. And I could see how even I would have that perspective after being there before, feeling like I understand it all, feeling kind of almost immune to the emotions that people are experiencing. Like, I've felt this before. I know it's the calm. I know it's going to, and And then all of a sudden, the show finds a way to just totally rock your world somehow, some way. And they will. And they will. Yeah.

Being overly confident, walking down those steps or walking onto this show is one of the greatest ways to set yourself up for some hurt or at least for an experience that will. Like you said earlier, mature you, change you, and hopefully over time enhance who you are as a human. Well, I think this is a great conversation, Ashley, to tie into our guest. who has been on Paradise, who is familiar with this show and familiar with the world that is The Bachelor, Ashley Frazier Williams is going to be joining us right after this break to talk about Paradise and talk about what she has going on in her life right now.

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your hands a little messy while you're learning to use something new for the very first time okay that's understandable and then um i have I hope it's not too TMI for this podcast, but how do you insert the discs? Yeah, they're pretty straightforward. You pinch it in half and it actually gets about thinner than a tampon and you push it all the way back and down and it pops open into place. So if it's in properly, you shouldn't feel it at all and it's got this nice rim that molds the form of your body. So it's ultra comfortable and pretty easy to remove. So you talked about how you were getting use infections.

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Well, thank you so much for joining us, Lauren. It was very informative and makes me a lot less intimidated by the new inventions, which are so popular. Our friend and colleague here at Iheart, you know, Tanya Rad. She cannot stop talking about how much she loves the flex cups. Oh, that's so great to hear. I'm really proud of our growth. And I think it's just because customers, like I said,

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Wow. So interesting. I always thought there would be something to that. All right. Well, Lauren, thanks so much for joining us today. We really appreciate it. Yeah, thanks for having me. Bye. Hey, sucky daters. This is Dean. And this is Jared.

And this week, we have Caitlin and Ashley come on our podcast and tell us what they absolutely hate most about us. Be sure to listen to our podcast, help by Suck It Dating right now on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, and everywhere you listen to podcasts. Hey, everybody. Kendall Cohen is joined the podcast. Kendall has been a behind-the-scenes producer of the podcast now for the last couple weeks or months, I guess. She is from Indiana, so we know she's great. We know she's awesome. She had the opportunity to attend the premier party of Bachelor in Paradise this week. She got to interview the contestants, hang out, get some of the scoop.

Kendall's here now joining us. Kendall, what did you learn? I learned a lot, and I also came into the premier party, not knowing what to expect. like my impressions on people and everything. And one takeaway I have is how much I loved goddess Victoria. She was amazing and she has a new look and, you know, she told me blondes do have more fun now that she is blonde of a brunette, which is something I loved.

And I also loved Connor B. He stood out to me and he actually did bring his cat costume, but he didn't get the chance to wear it, which is a bummer. Okay. And do you have some sound bites for us? We do. Yes. So there's a lot of good. conversations I had. So Victoria, I asked her if she brought the crown with her to Paradise,

and she did bring up how goddess is what she's going to go by. But something that also stood out to me was she said that this appearance on Bachelor in Paradise was going to be redemption for her from Matt's season, which I found was really interesting. I have a goddess crown. You have a goddess crown. Okay. So that's what your look that you're going for. Love it. And Connor, are you going to be dressing up as any other animal in Paradise? What a great question. I will say I brought the cat suit to paradise. I didn't wear it the first day, but it may or may not make an appearance.

Oh my God. That cat suit is way too hot for him to be wearing in paradise. He should be dressing up like something different. Now, Kendall, did you also get any insight into when Victoria says this is going to be redemption for her? What does she mean by that? What redemption is she looking for? Because showing up as a goddess doesn't exactly change the narrative here. I did.

And we'll play that for you. Paradise was definitely my redemption and like letting everyone see a different side of me. And as for what I look in a, for in a guy, like I'm always learning and growing. But definitely Matt's season taught me I want someone who trusts me and listens to me. Because I still think my side was valid. Interesting. Did you get any insight as to like how long she might be sticking around if that really did come to fruition for her? you know, I tried to get that out of her

and she was very put her foot down on that but she definitely says, or from what I got from it, I feel she wants a new image on herself for this, which will be interesting to see how that will play out. Now, we also know that you got to talk to Kenny, who obviously showed up to Paradise in a very fashionable way.

His skin suit was on. At least that's what we think. What did Kenny have to say? Kenny, I love talking to. He did bring up being naked and everything. And he obviously, and I talked to him in just then at the same time, he made it seem like he was actually naked. So I don't know.

But he did say that the new dynamic is wild. And he gave me a little insight on that as well. It's wild. I think it's way more over the top than you're used to. There's just more people. There's obviously with Chris not being there, adds a different dynamic with different hosts and Wells doing a little bit more than he normally does. Yeah.

So, like, it's kind of a whole different show. It's the same show, but it's different. Did anybody talk about what their favorite part of being in Paradise was? A lot of them did. Majority of them, one funny thing I found was they said that Wells makes great drinks as a bartender. Well, he's had a lot of practice at it. Yeah. I know he was experimenting when I was with him 10 days ago.

He was worried that he doesn't make good dreams. drinks and he's going to experiment in the off season so he can get better at it for next year. So it's good that they thought he was pouring some nice drinks for him. Now, final couple of things here, Kendall. We did pick up some audio clips. You got to talk to Hannah Ann and Mike Johnson, who we know are not showing up to Paradise, but they were at the premiere. What were they doing there?

And what did they have to say? Yeah, so Hannah Ann and Mike Johnson were there on behalf of the Ultimate Surfer, which the premier party was also for it, and that will premiere on Monday as well. But Hannah Ann told me she is so excited to see her old castmates on this season. And Mike also said he wants to be jealous of the love that he will see on this season.

Since I'm not there, I want to see drama. I want to see love. And I want to see, I want to make, I want to be jealous. That's what I want to see. When I watch it on my TV screens, August 16th, I want to be jealous because I wasn't there. I want to be jealous because someone else found love.

And I'm being very genuine. say that, right? Because I love love. You know, one of my favorite movies is a notebook. Okay, well, Kendall, before we let you go, I did want to talk, I wanted to talk about something we haven't even talked about yet. Oh my gosh, how do we forget about the connection that Natasha and Brendan seemed to be sparking there? I don't know that they kissed, which is maybe why we left them out of that couple list, but there definitely had something. Natasha is actually really good friends with Joe, though, because they host the podcast together. So did she talk about her relationship with Brendan or her friendship with Joe or anything like that? Yeah, so she did

talk about her friendship with Joe. And she also gave her opinion on Joe and Kendall, which I found very interesting. So I definitely want you to hear that. You know, me and him are really close. It was hard. And I adore Kendall. And I've met her separately from Joe, you know, when they were not together. And I adore her as well. She's really sweet. But I was like, look, here, y'all, I can't get in the middle of this. This is hard. This is hard for me. And it was weird. I mean, and I felt his pain, you know? Like, he was like, uh-oh, what's happening? And the moment

he walked in, I mean, or the moment she walked in, it was, it was like, I feel for him. Because anyone, I mean, can you imagine? You're dating someone, maybe. The last time he was there, he found love with her and now they're on the beach again. Not together. Crazy. Or do they? Maybe

they get back together. I don't know. And that was Tammy with her too, saying maybe they get back together. So we'll have to See. Also, Tammy and Natasha both gave me their opinion on Greg, and if he was showing his acting skills, and Natasha has a side where she supports Greg, but Tammy has a side where she's friends with Katie. So it's different. I'm very good friends with Katie, so I am going to take her side no matter what. But I do see the point of his side a little bit and her side. I do see where she seemed a little bit blindsided for the way he was acting because they were very strong up until that point. So, I mean, it was just a bad breakup. And it hurts no matter who people, yeah. Yeah, I personally think I've also talked to Greg and I, you know, we have a podcast. We talk to a lot of people here in the nation. I think that it was a hard breakup.

I personally, and I said this on my podcast, I personally resonated with Greg more just because I've been in relationships where I've sought validation. So watching it, I don't think that Katie was invalid. in her feelings. I also don't think that Greg was invalid in his feelings. I do think that they both could have handled things better on her side and his side. And I do think that it was a really bad breakup. I really like your guys take on that. Yeah, yeah, I do. And I think that people who, like the world out there was so Greg versus Katie, Katie, Katie. It shouldn't be a versus thing. There's no teams. It was a bad breakup. Everyone had their points. Yeah. And it just didn't work out at the end of the day. And I'm, and to say, though, when I look at Katie and Lake, it's like, that's your person. Yeah. Kendall, thanks for showing up to the party. Thanks for getting these interviews.

It's super fun to hear their reactions. You did great. Thanks for all your work. And we'll see you soon. All right. Well, we wanted to get alums on almost every episode of the recaps of Bachelor in Paradise. So today we have Ashley Frazier Williams. Hello, Ashley.

Hi. How's the going? Hi. You were on Bachelor in Paradise season one, which is so crazy because it was, because what are we in season? Is this seven now? A lot has changed. Let's just say that. What do you think has changed the most? Well, I feel like just the whole dynamic of having social media mixed in with everything creates just a different environment of people to respond and act and be kind of different in the world, I guess. because everybody's putting on a show a little bit more, I think, right? Because now you understand the importance of keeping the audience.

So, you know. Definitely. Speaking of putting on a show, we see at the end of the episode, Demi is walking in. And we were just talking. I have my notes. Okay. So what were your impressions of Demi walking in? Because we were just talking about this.

But I would love another person's opinion. Well, I think she's really good for ratings. She's the one you want to. watch and you just hope that they can really bring it, I guess, you know? So I think she'll be really interesting. I don't really like the bully tactic that she has of like, oh, let me come in and create drama. And that just makes me feel like she might be mean. She kind of scares me a little. It is an interesting thing to admit, like coming down those stairs and the mindset of I'm going to come in here and mess things up. We've seen that before with the mindset of,

some people walking down those stairs, I never have known it to go well. Like, that just never works the way they think it's going to. And so all of those, all of the people with that mindset do get humbled at some point with when they think they're going to come in there and just tear things out. Absolutely. And, I mean, we see her crying in a little clip of the future episode. So there may be her humbling right there. I was talking to Ashley, like an idea about this just a little bit ago.

and Ashley, Frasier Williams, I want to hear your thoughts. What about Paradise brings out the emotions in the way that it does? How does 20-some people show up to a beach and all of them feel something so deeply if they're in a romantic relationship or even if they're not? I think there's several answers to that question. Number one, you're isolated. And so you realize there's just a certain amount of time that if you don't connect, games over, right?

And you don't want to go home because then you're isolated. hope for someone else to come in to match you, right? So I think it's just a bunch of different reasons why it gets so hyped up, right, Ash? That's exactly what I said, is that pressure of time, especially if you're somebody who is a little bit more slow to open up. Yeah. What's the girl that she said she was? Abigail?

Yeah. Which, by the way, I have my notes on her. Oh, my God. I love her. First of all, I'm so far behind on The Bachelor because now I have to be. two kids running around me and it's a madhouse around here. So I barely have time to eat myself. So I'm so far behind.

But I really liked her. So now I want to like learn more about her and Noah. I think they're so cute. So cute. Would you say that they were the couple that you're rooting for the most as of now? I mean, as of someone that I think is more on like my level of calmness now now that I'm older, a more, I hate to say mature because I don't want to say, sound like anyone else is less mature, but it's like they seem more ready maybe, right? Yeah. They're there for that and they're

excited for that. I felt that. And I understand what you're saying. It's not like you're saying, oh, I'm more mature than the rest of this cast. You're saying, you can tell that she's ready for this romantic connection. Just similar to, you know, when I was watching Ashley I Canetti on the show before we were friends and before I knew her well, you could tell. She's, really wants to be in a romantic relationship. And that was something that is visible. Now, to both of you, and then I'm going to step back here, but to both of you, I have a really interesting question that I've always been intrigued by. When you, so you, as you said, you couple up because you are interested, one in the person, and two, you want to stay around just in case maybe your forever person

comes down those stairs, which means that there's a ton of breakups or there's a ton of relationships ending a new one starting, I know in my life, breakups are really hard, and maybe I put too much weight on, but they also sometimes feel very awkward. Like, you don't really necessarily want to see that person, again, just because you've shared moments with them. And then it's like, hey, on this beach, you're surrounded by your exes for the entirety of the show, unless you couple up week one with your person that you're going to be with at the end. How awkward is it to break up and move on? Or is it just kind of like a spoken rule that, yeah, things are going to end? The most awkward thing ever

Okay That's what it's just like Oh my gosh It's so awkward When somebody breaks up with you And you're like oh okay But I'll still see you at breakfast Tomorrow morning

So then we'll look at each other And smile awkwardly And just we'll know it won't happen But you know Maybe I'll see you go on a date With somebody else And it'll be really weird Because we just kiss the night before

And yeah I know I'm okay I'm with you there I totally agree with that But I also feel like In this specific environment there's some sort of way and how we all of the bachelor nation somehow gets through it

and we all stick around and we're all still there like as awkward as it is we still do it and are still able to i guess compartmentalize i'm sure it's very similar to what a fraternity and sorority go through because you know how you have like you're the ones that you're paired with and you like always have to have parties and dances and stuff with them like that happens all the time there. So that might be more relatable. Yeah, true. That's true. But it's interesting because I feel like it doesn't really bother me. I feel like I didn't play my season very well looking back. But I think my problem was on my season was there were more friends on my case than so I kind of felt not stuck because it was still my choice, but I felt like Graham was like my only option

kind of. And so I was like, well, I'm going to stick it out with him because everybody else here is my friend. And then I kind of got into deep and then didn't know how to get out, you know, looking back. So I don't know. I feel like that's kind of parlayed into a different thing. But I mean, you still like I guess it would have been awkward to have not been with him and same with someone else, but, I mean, we all see how that went. No, you're actually really right about that. Is there privacy in this place, though? Like, we see everybody, I mean, we only see, like, the, the camera angles from the people

watching. And it feels like everybody can watch each other kiss and hang out and make out, like, is there any place to just get away? I mean, if you really want to get away, you could, but you're going to have a camera follow you. But if you didn't want everyone seeing you, right, Ash, don't you feel like? Yeah, they're going to like balconies. like little areas you can definitely get like privacy to make out what i mean clearly you can tell

that they don't care right they're like hey let me let everyone know like so it says taken that's true you almost want it to be out there oh interesting that's that's heavy so you you're like there's a moment in the mind of the people like i want to show that i'm with this person so nobody else steps on yeah because i can remember people not knowing of like certain couples and then you'd be like oh and then there's so and so and so and then like the other person that's been around for just as long as you was like wait what no it's like oh yeah oh yeah you didn't know that yeah right that's good stuff that would that's what I would get into like I really love I yeah I just love the like but then you have a demi girl come in and she's like oh really I really wanted him oh but now that

he's taken let me hop in and that happens too you've seen it we see it um how often is that successful. Okay. So you have your notes in front of you. We've just mentioned the Abigail Noah relationship. We've talked about Demi coming down the stairs. We really want to ask you about that. What are your feelings after watching and being a part of this on David Spade's role? And also in comparison to Wells, with Wells being there as well. Like, how do you like this dynamic? Okay. Here's what I think. I think Wells needs to step up and be the host. We said the same thing. really forward. Okay. Yeah. Oh, really? Okay. Yeah. So I, I didn't think about that until I saw him. And just the way he is on camera is so good. He's really good. I like how he has questions. He's on everyone's level. He's been through it. And I think he's witty enough to kind of come up with his own lingo for the show and maybe take it into a different avenue versus saying the same, the most drama season ever, you know, like our same terms we've had forever. I think he'd be really good for that. David Spade I was like oh I don't get this no now Chris Harrison we know is really funny

he has really like witty personality so I think that wasn't really shown into the like handful of last so many seasons right he didn't him his personality at the beginning so I think having David Spade is awesome I wasn't sure I was like oh how's that going to go but I was hooked right away I'm like yes yes he's funny but you're saying that that you think, if you even took David away, yeah, okay, he filled a comedic role that was necessarily kind of like we said maybe a risk alleviator for the show just in case Will's wouldn't step up, but you're seeing Wells, now you're saying, I think this guy's got it on his own. He doesn't need anybody else. He can do this thing. And then we came to the same

conclusion. Okay, two parts to that. One, for The Bachelor, Bachelor, yes, I think Wells can do it on his own. For Paradise, there's a different way that they edit and film. It's funnier. Like, it has a more freedom type of show to it versus Bachelor's so much more serious. Right. So you see all the funny humor and all the wittiness of the characters that we saw in Bachelor and Bachelorette come out in Paradise. So that's where I think David would be really good. Interesting. Okay. You know what I mean? Yeah. So you're taking it one step further and saying you believe Wells Adams could be the host of the Bachelor and Bachelorette, the big show. Yeah. Interesting. I think so for sure. I think he could handle it. And I think America loves him.

I think you too. So he's a good option, you know. He is. All right. Well, let's talk about you for a little while. Oh, yes. All right. So you have two daughters now. How old are they? Everly is 10 months and maybe is two and a half. As somebody who's struggling through their pregnancy, how are you? Um, while I was pregnant. Yes. Yeah. So Navy was a lot easier. I thought it was hard. It was so much easier than Everly. Everly, there was one point where I was in so much pain. I mean, TMI, but I could not get from my bed to the bathroom. I was frozen and I was freaking out calling Erin. I'm like, I don't know what to do. I could not. My pain and my tailbone was so excruciating. I couldn't put my toe down. Was that like in a third trimester? Um, no, it was at the beginning. What?

And your tailbone, why? So what I've heard and what my doctor said is if you have previous injuries, a lot of times they'll come back in your pregnancy. And when I was younger, I fell and fractured my tailbone. And so I think that came back to haunt me. No way. It was rough. I had vertigo with Everley.

That happened. I got the flu at six weeks, which this was right before. Corona hit. So thank God it wasn't Corona. But otherwise, you know, I would have been freaking out. Anything and everything happened. It was rough. Well, Ashley is currently pregnant, as you know. What is the best advice that you were given or that you could share with Ashley through the pregnancy and then into early motherhood? The best advice is to not take anyone's advice. You will know your child and what you want better than anybody else. And so what someone told me was take it all in.

Oh, thank you, thank you. No one knows whether you take it or not. You don't have to have a conversation with them. If it's not what you believe or how you feel, you don't have to do it. When you get home and it's just you and your family, it's whatever you want to do. So do whatever feels right to you.

That's a really good advice. I love that. No one knows whether you take it or not. So why even like, have to worry it all comes to you as it's happening like the with navy i my first girl i was just constantly worried and trying to figure it out and i was like this is what society says to me and then once it clicked at probably like maybe i don't know month six seven i was like okay i just got to relax i am stressing out this is freaking me out like everyone's opinions are like

weighing on me and once I let go I swear everything became easier and it's not easy but it just was like oh my gosh this is what I should have been doing this whole time I get it now so you'll see good advice thank you so much you're welcome very empowering too I mean I'm hearing and I'm like that's awesome you know I mean as somebody that hopes to be a father someday just having the confidence in yourself to say I've got this and you're going to know yeah you know your baby better than anybody because you know you're going to be a loving mom so yeah of course what a really really cool advice i've never heard that um so thank you thank you and then we'll just talk about your husband aaron for a second you guys got married in 2007 yeah how did you mean uh 17 17

of course 17 how did you guys meet and like how was that dating process and did the bachelor teach you anything from it. Oh, good question. So I met Aaron years and years ago when we were all going out having fun, going out to the club and bars and all that stuff. And I really liked him. He was so handsome. Came from a really good family, but he's so quiet and shy. And I did not think he liked me because he wasn't really taking that initiative. And so it kind of just faded away, but we would see each other out all the time and hang out. And I felt like there was a connection, but nothing ever came from it because he never was like, hey, you're my girl. Let's go. So we would stay in touch. And then finally, I reached out to him or he reached out to me. I can't remember. And we started

talking. And again, I'm like, does this guy like me? Like he's spending all this time. We were much older. This is going back to where we first started dating again. And I was like, does this guy like me? Like he's hanging out with me. He's taking me to dinner. But he's not. saying the words, you know, because he's just such a quiet guy. And so I wasn't going to ask, you know, I needed him to tell me. So finally, I was like, all right, I'm going to move to L.A. And then he was like, oh, well, can we be together before you go? And I was like, wait, as boyfriend. Can we date before you leave? Yeah, like one on like, like, like exclusive. And he's like, yeah, I'm like, okay. I thought he was joking. I'm like, oh, I'm moving. So now he's going to

like say, oh, now it's safe to say that, right? So then I moved six months later, I'm like, Erin, you doing coming home? And he's like, I'm going to step it up and I'm going to be there. And that was it. Oh, that's so cute. Yeah. And he was basically at home waiting for me. He's a good looking good dude.

I just, I just Googled him. Yeah, he's a good looking fellow. Nice. Yeah. He's a good looking guy for sure. Oh, that's so awesome. Well, now I got to go Instagram stock you. Yeah.

He's not on any social media, which is the most amazing thing. like he has no idea like he doesn't get it at all I'm like I have to break everything down for him like you would your parent or your grandma you know I like that respect for Aaron yeah stay on to that buddy yeah like that guy he found his girl he has his family he's got his career yeah uh the social time he's like I think I'm gonna get on Facebook and check in with my friends and well that was six months ago and oh so good well yeah he's a great guy. Ashley, you are awesome. Thank you. You are too. Thank you for having me. But Ashley, before you go, you do have some really cool things going on your life that we want to touch on.

Ania Hill, can you explain it to all of the people listening, what it is, why they would like it, why they should check in on it. Yeah. So Ania Hill is a lifestyle brand that I created. I felt like there was such a disconnect and wanting people of Norm to have the same feeling and experience that us bloggers and influencers get, and I wanted them to have really great product come to them in really good packaging. And so I created Ania Hill. It's Aaron, Navy, Everly, and Ashley. And that's where Ania came from. And Hill is basically this feeling. It's this place you want to be. So, you know, when you put on an outfit that you feel amazing in, and you're like all of a sudden getting compliments? And you're like, how is this possible today? I'm getting the compliments on

something I just bought for the first time and I'm wearing it. That is the hill. That's that feeling, that place you want to be and that's on top of the hill. So that's where the name came from. And it's basically, it started off with sunglasses, which are our ride or dyed pieces. I've styled and designed each piece from scratch from the ground up. And so they're sustainable, everlasting, basic pieces that are for women. And so we've been adding clothing and all kinds of different things to the brand. But my plan is for everybody to have a piece and for them to have it for long term, which makes it sustainable. So it's been really fun designing. Love it. I'm looking at the Instagram right now. It's at Shop Anea Hill. And that is A-N-E-A Hill.

And there are really nice staples. Thank you. They go with everything and they are the kind of stuff that you would keep in your closet forever. Yeah, thanks. I need to send you guys some, the wife. and Ashley, Cindy Geis and stuff. Don't count me out. I like myself some lifestyle pieces. I'll send you the dress. That's perfect.

Thank you. Ashley, thanks again. Anea Hill.com. Check out Ashley's brand. Also, thanks for coming on and talking Paradise. Best of luck.

Thanks for your advice and joining the Almost Famous podcast. Yeah. Thanks, guys. See ya. Bye. Bye. So obviously,

it's been a big week with Paradise. as we just mentioned, they had their launch party that Kindle was able to go to. It was great talking to her. Now, we mentioned at the beginning of the podcast that we're finding new ways to be interactive with all of you.

We want to continue to connect with you and have fun with you and experience the show alongside of you. And so we thought one of the cool ways to do it was to bring on the batch bracket, start a bracket for Paradise this year. Ashley and I are competing in it, doing the best we can.

to win it. The winner will get a prize. So we're bringing Batch Brackett on now to discuss the details and everything good about it. Welcome to the podcast, Caitlin, from Batch Bracket. Hey. Caitlin, as you're coming on the podcast, we're going to talk about what this means, the Batch Bracket. Do you mind just giving a quick recap of what a batch bracket is and then how our listeners can join in and compete against so many other people. Yeah, absolutely. I am happy to. So I love Batch Bracket because it does give you an opportunity to compete against all your friends,

watching the show that we all spend way too much time watching already. Batch Bracket is essentially like fantasy football, except for The Bachelorette. So Batch Bracket is a show, an opportunity for you to compete with friends, get on and make picks every single week. So you essentially choose your team of contestants. They are going to win or lose you points based on what they do that week. So whether they're saying, you know, that someone is or isn't here for the right reasons, or they're making out in the ocean or reading a date card, things are worth positive points,

things are worth negative points. And at the end of every episode, scoreboard is updated and you find out how your team did for the week. So super simple to join. Everyone can just go to batchbracket.com, join a league. The almost famous league is there right at the top of the join a league page. So super easy to find. And yeah, you can just join a league right there, add any friends that you want to play against and the scoreboard updates and scores automatically after every episode.

So it's not like your regular like NCAA bracket. Right. So for Paradise, especially, because so many people are coming in and out the whole time, there's not a lot of consistency week to week. So very much more so like fantasy football than March Madness type bracket style. Very much, choose your team every week. Every single episode is a new chance to win points and a new chance to pick a new team. I think it's going to be a really fun way for the listeners out there to kind of join on and get even more involved in the show.

I know fantasy football. I've loved football forever, but fantasy football really gets me. hyped on every game and watching every time a game is shown. Now, you've had some success with Batch Brackett. Do you mind sharing where it started and then where it's at today? How many users, how many people are actively involved? Yeah, absolutely. So a group of friends, three other friends and myself started BatchBackett back in 2016, just kind of as a fun whim, begged our friends and family to join our little site. We had 300 people, our first season of BIP, that we launched for.

As of the last season of Bachelorette, we had over 200,000 people playing for, yeah. So it's been pretty wild. It's been a wild ride kind of learning what that means to be able to support a site for that many people. Since its creation, over 500,000 people have played on batch bracket. So it's been pretty fun to navigate that and just, Keep trying to improve it. Just keep trying to build a better experience for everyone. And it's, it's been fun to see how it's grown. Well, congratulations. That is so cool. Ben, you did already fill out your

bracket. I still have to do mine. My bad. What were some of the things that you like wagered on? Yeah. So I, to not give away who I picked, though, I really went with some of the consistent faces. I thought the veterans in Paradise would do well this season. I thought they would know how to navigate the process. I also wanted some people that would make some noise. Like maybe some of those bigger characters that would shake things up, that would be on camera a little bit more, even if the camera time wasn't maybe healthy time for them.

Because I know that the more they're shown, probably the more points that I'm going to get. And so I kind of weighed both. I took my safe picks with the veterans. I also picked some more outliers that I thought would make some noise in Paradise. And it is fun. Now, we're obviously one weekend to Paradise already, and some of the people are just hearing this for the first time.

So, Caitlin, is it too late for listeners to sign up for our bracket? No. So that's one great thing is that the bracket is open throughout the full season, and there are so many opportunities to win points throughout the season that just missing one week does not by any means exclude you from coming up at the top the next week. So definitely tons of opportunities to win points still, no matter when you join within the season. Awesome. Very good. So great. Caitlin, thank you so much for joining us. That's such an amazing platform with amazing growth. So I'm excited to play this season with Ben. Yeah, we're super excited to have you and

cannot wait for the rest of the season. So real quick, though, before you go, the winners of this seasons, almost famous batch bracket, are going to get a prize. What is it? So this season, we're very excited that the winners of the almost famous league are actually going to be able to make their own appearance right here on the podcast. Heck yeah. So very excited. Ben and Ashley hang out. And yeah, definitely high stakes for this league. Let me tell you, it's worth it to win because getting to hang out with Ashley I Kennedy is a dream. Caitlin, thanks for joining us. You're the best.

We're going to fill out of brackets every week at batchbracket.com. Go to the almost famous league. It's going to be fun. It's going to be great. I hope it is something that has so much traction to it from all of you listeners that we do it every season from here on now. Caitlin, thanks again. Thanks so much.

Asher, the first headline of this week includes Gray Grippo. And it says that him and McKinnadorn were talking. before he went on The Bachelorette. I know. Isn't that crazy? So McKenna and Greg used to talk last summer

according to an insider. They really hit it off but long distance came in the way. They talked for about a month before things cooled off. They never met in person. She lives in Canada. He lives in New Jersey.

There's some proof of this connection because the reality stars both liked each other's Instagrams in the early 2020s, 2020, in early 2020. And yeah, so that's interesting. I wonder if, I wonder how that even came to be. Yeah. Yeah, that's weird, right? Like, because I don't even know whether he would have been in casting early 2020.

Feels less juicy because, hey, they never met. They never met. Well, next headline is this. Obviously, we had the opportunity to have Justin Glaze, who was Katie Thurston's runner up on the season that just ended at The Bachelor on this podcast. So if you haven't listened to it, I'd recommend going back and listening to it. It's a great episode, and he was very honest.

Well, Katie Thurston reacts to some of the things said by Justin Glaze when he said he was blindsided by their split. She said, I'm not surprised he was blindsided just because. of what him and I experienced. Unfortunately, there's a whole love story you guys didn't get to see, but him and I both agreed, it doesn't matter what people got to know

in terms of our connection. But he said on our, and this is how he responded on our podcast, he said that, you know, you guys should go back and listen. It's a great episode with Justin. We loved having him on. He really opened up, and you get to know what a sweet guy is, and it was unfortunate

we get to know him better on TV. But he said, we spent a month together, getting to know each other, talking about our family. families. This morning I'm picturing how great today is going to be and what our life is going actually look like. And that's that, but it's so hard. You don't want it to end. It's hard. Man, it hurts, man. I gave this my everything. There are a lot of emotions. Well, we really enjoyed having them on. So like I said, I would recommend going back and listening. Well,

speaking to Katie Thurston, it seems like her and Blake Moynes are having a lot of fun and enjoying their first week out in the public. And we see that. One of the examples, examples of this is Blake Moyne shares video in bed with Katie Thurston after the bachelor's finale. Yeah, so there is a video. Katie and Blake, they're in bed for the first time since their relationship has been out and they're in there with his dogs. In the video, it says, I don't want it. I don't want your bone. Take that back. And that's what Katie says in the clip. I think there's like a little endoendo there, but they're talking, you know, they're referring to the dog bone.

It's just them being silly and bad. It's a big week for them. First week has a public couple. Well, the last few headlines here. Big one in Bachelor Nation. Bachelor Nation's Jeff Holm files a restraining order

against Robbie Hayes. This according to E and, well, every other outlet out there. Yeah. Yeah, that's pretty crazy. So basically, Robbie and Jeff and Chase

McNary. They used to all live together in the Santa Monica area. And then Chase got out of that brohouse. Good for him. Jeff and Robbie continued living together. And there's always kind of a reputation for it being a party house. And apparently, once Robbie moved out, he kept coming back in unannounced. So Jeff ended up

filing for a restraining order. order. It's unclear from the documents whether their friendship was soured and Robbie moved out, but allegedly according to the documents, Jeff states that at least once a week, Robbie enters his property without permission and it becomes hostile. He says, I do not feel safe around him. And Jeff continues to say that he threatens me and still hasn't stopped to this day. He claims that he has belongings in there and that is why he enters. but he's not on the lease, and it's making me fearful. Wow.

It's a big step to get a restraining order and follow that story as it continues. Obviously, it's temporarily, I think, in place right now. And over time, we'll see if it goes and becomes permanently granted. Well, Tasha Adams was on this podcast, spoke very openly when she came on about her relationship with Zach and kind of how they're processing through this season of life where Tasha's super busy and Zach's running his facilities. Well, the headline reads this.

Tasha Adams responds after fan questions then, her cryptic Never Settle post about Zach Clark. All right. So basically, Tasha put out a tweet on Friday where she said, never settle, dot, dot, dot.

And then a fan said, this better not be about Zach. And then Tisha responded saying, chill, Corley. and I think that was the girl's name. Chill, Corley. I don't think it is about Zach. She was recently on our podcast, like Ben just said.

And she talked about how she feels like their relationship. Well, they have to be away from each other a lot. It still works for them. Well, obviously, it's never easy to be in a relationship, especially when the two people are living apart and moving on. But again, she spoke about it with Ashley on the almost famous podcast. which is this podcast. So it's pretty easy to go back,

listen to that episode to get even more details about that headline. Well, Ashley, great podcast. Thank you to Ashley Frazier Williams for joining us today. Again, go out and fill out your Bachelor in Paradise Bracket

right now. It's not too late at batchbracket.com. Go to the almost famous league. Fill out your team. Updated each week. Ashley and I are competing. The winner. Come on and get it.

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