The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - What Divorce Made JLo Do, A Celeb Was Haunted By Their Ex, and The Valley’s Michelle Makes Comment on Dr. Dre
Episode Date: June 20, 2026Celebrity divorces are messy…and spooky? We’re bringing you all the latest headlines from Jelly Roll and Bunnie Xo’s shocking split, to a Pitt Star who says they were “haunted...” by their ex! Plus, JLo gets honest about what her last divorce made her do, and a reality star is addressing rumors about their romance with a hip hop mogul! Email us at: IDOPOD@iheartradio.com or call us at 844-4-I Do Pod (844-443-6763)Follow I Do, Part 2 on Instagram and TikTokSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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It's your celebrity mentor, Kelly Benson.
I'm here with my producer, who I love, Heather.
And we are going to bring you up to date on the latest news in the headlines this week.
because you know what, there is so much going on. Let's dive in. Hi, Heather. Hi, there's a lot going on that we have to
cover. Oh, my God. Let's jump in, though, to this first one because I kind of didn't see this coming,
and I wonder if you did. It's Jelly Roll went to the hospital one week before Bunny Exo divorce news.
So first of all, this is like the top story everywhere right now, these two divorcing. I think for a lot of people,
it's kind of come out of nowhere.
She recently, not too long ago,
released a book and was out doing a press tour.
And I don't think that anybody saw this coming.
But basically, to dive into this,
it says, Jelly Roll is sharing a health update
that briefly sidelined him
while on tour with Post Malone.
In a TikTok video that he shared on June 11th,
the country star revealed that he went to the hospital
the night before at Novant Health
after battling a sinus infection during the tour.
He said, so I went to the hospital last night in Charlotte, North Carolina.
Shout out to that whole hospital.
They literally got me on my feet for the show.
I was puffy-faced, he said, adding that the doctors gave me a bunch of steroids.
He explained that the health issue forced him to miss a portion of the show for the first
time since joining the Post Malone tour.
According to Jelly Roll Post Malone checked in on him,
after learning he wasn't feeling well.
The next night he sent me a big flower bouquet, he says,
and revealed that the note from the musician said,
get well, soon, mofo, love you.
The gesture left a lasting impression on jelly roll,
and he said, I love Post when I say on stage every night
that Post Malone is the nicest human in the world.
I'm not making that up.
He's the most normal dude in the world,
like, I love you, Post.
Okay, so this update came days before the news surface that Jellyroll and his wife, Bunny XO, are divorcing.
The country star filed for divorce in Tennessee on May 18th, according to the documents that were obtained by people.
The filing lists May 9th as the couple's date of separation and cites irreconcilable differences as the grounds for the divorce.
After news of the filing became public, Jellyroll also removed.
BUNnie's name from his Instagram bio. The singer's bio previously included Music Man,
a locking key emoji and Bunny's Instagram handle. It's now just simply Music Man. So what do you think
about, you know, first of all, the fact that these two are divorcing. And second of all,
I think this is kind of also just a sign of like the stress that divorce can put on your body.
Like, you know what I mean? Like, do you remember when you were going through it where you feel
sick all the time, were you, was it hard to like keep your energy and your stamina up because
you had so much like additional pressure on your shoulders? What was your experience?
I mean, I wasn't feeling well last fall. And I had to also go on steroids. And I just was in,
like my whole mindset was just like fight or flight. You know, I was like in such fear mode
of making sure that I was going to be healthy and safe, take care of myself, but also travel and do the
things that I also had to do for work, because you can't just be like, okay, I'm not going to work.
And so I actually feel really badly for him that she's not there for him. I mean, there must have
been something else because this is not like, again, like people don't just get divorced on a Tuesday.
There must have been some kind of buildup. But, you know, the fact that he gets sick and he
can't rely on his partner is really like, that's just not good. I've heard so many stories of
people not being able to rely on their partners. It's just, it's not a vibe. It's really bad.
Yeah, I just want to address that some of the latest news, page six is reporting,
Bunny Exo's latest move after Jelly Rule divorce raises eyebrows. This is so messy. It says Bunny Exo
confused fans with her latest social media move.
a month after her estranged husband filed for divorce.
She's the podcast host.
Her podcast is called Dumb Blonde.
And it says that she uploaded a TikTok video
where she sang along to Jelly Rolls No Limit freestyle
while out to dinner with friends.
And then wrote,
podcast coming, hashtag Jelly and Bunny.
She cryptically captioned the post,
hinting that fans will,
finally know the truth about their split if they tune in. So she's seating their split to
sensationalize her podcast? That is awful. You can have your opinions on that, but I will say that
as a musician, right, where do they draw their inspiration from for songwriting, usually from pain
and things that they go through? So there's, I would say that there's probably no way he's not at some point
going to, this is going to seep into what he does to make an income.
I kind of am like, if she's got a podcast and she's now going to be a single woman and
she needs to capitalize and make some money, do it.
As long as she's speaking her truth, right, they're both going to have differing opinions.
It's very rare, right, that we have a divorce couple that is on the exact same page with what
happened.
They're probably going to have differing opinions and probably it sounds like he's the one who
filed. So he was the instigator or the initiator in this. And, you know, maybe she's got a lot to say about
that. I just feel that, you know, putting it on social media, I just feel like the world is changing
where, you know, there aren't really any boundaries anymore. People kind of say what they want
so that they're bringing attention to their business. And I understand that that is part of that
of that strategy.
It's just,
I don't,
I just,
I just find it to be,
it's heartbreaking.
I just find it to be heartbreaking.
Well,
it looks like some people agree
with you in the comments.
They're calling it messy,
you know,
and in her comments.
So,
I just think it's,
I just think it's better to have a statement and,
you know,
stay with that statement and things afterwards.
Like,
unfortunately we had this,
my podcast is coming out to talk about it.
I love that.
But just to get divorced and be like,
by the way, stay tuned.
I don't know.
It's a little heartless.
To each their own.
That's my POV.
That's your POV.
We'll have to follow this story because clearly it's still developing.
I would love to.
But let's move on to the next one because I actually couldn't believe when I put this headline in.
This is so bizarre.
It says the pit star.
Catherine Lanasa says,
Ghost of ex-husband Dennis Hopper haunted her.
Have you ever been haunted by an ex?
Have you?
Like, Kelly, have you ever been haunted by an ex?
I mean, I've never been haunted by an ex ever in my life.
I've probably haunted them.
They're like, ah!
Not her.
So she recently told this story during an interview
because she was married to Dennis Hopper from 1989 to 1992.
and she says that he repeatedly appeared to her after his 2010 death.
She said, I do believe in ghosts, she told W. Magazine,
the ghost of Dennis Hopper would not leave me alone for a really long time.
He visited me first in ways that were scary.
He came one time looking like when he was at the Academy Awards,
he was in a wheelchair and he fell down and it was super upsetting.
The actress went on to explain that though she and Hopper had been divorced,
she was the last wife that he'd been with that he wasn't currently divorcing.
That sounds complicated.
Well, I actually know his last wife and I know his daughter.
You do.
And I've met him many times.
Oh, my goodness.
He was lovely.
And his ex-wife was amazing.
And his daughter is fantastic.
She was the editor of Elle.
She was one of the editors of Elle.
his daughter. So I don't know this, I don't know this, I don't know this second wife.
I mean, she maybe was the longest standing wife, but she wasn't the last wife.
Victoria is the last wife. Okay, but she's claiming that he was in the process of divorcing that wife is basically, yeah,
looks like him and Victoria were separated before his death. And it says that Catherine, who did this interview,
she's claiming I was the last wife that he'd had that he wasn't in the process of divorcing.
So he was in the process of leaving his current wife when he passed is what she's saying.
So she just got divorced from him, but his last wife, they were separating.
So it's, I don't, I'm, I'm confused.
I think she's just trying to explain why she was feeling like maybe so.
connected because clearly they'd been divorced since 1992. He passes in 2010 and then she says that
she's getting all these, you know, connection. She's trying to say basically that he was coming to
her in these dreams. That's what she's alluding to. Well, that does happen in dreams. That does.
I mean, you know, dreams are a synthesization of your emotions. What happens throughout the day.
The day is kind of what happens when you are in your dream state. And so I can understand.
that if there was some kind of anxiety or fear or if she was having abandonment or if she was having
pain or whatever it was, maybe it was being manifested in her ex because, you know, I mean,
it was like he was that he was that object that was like, you're the one that's causing me pain.
I don't know.
I'm not a doctor, but I mean, I can play one on TV.
Well, it seems like she plays one on TV too, but do you believe in ghosts?
Do I believe in ghosts?
No, I don't.
I don't believe in ghosts.
Have you ever had a past loved one come to you in a dream?
I have.
I have had, like my mother, come to me and tell me what to do.
And it was accurate?
Yes.
My mother, my past mother has also come to me in dreams.
She has?
But we don't speak when she doesn't speak to me in the dreams.
She's quiet.
But we've hugged before in the dreams.
because I've said the most vivid one I can remember was I walked into her kitchen and she was there
and she turned around and I said, what are you doing here?
And we just hugged and that was it.
So dreams are powerful and, you know, I'm also not a doctor.
So I don't know how they work and how things come to us.
But, you know, I would.
I know.
It's like it's interesting because, you know, I've had those dreams at different points.
I had them, you know, not I had them at a distance after she passed, but then I've had them
throughout the years, you know what I mean?
Not when it was necessarily fresh.
But what she's describing, it sounds like, is when it happened right after his death.
So clearly, you know, I would think that he was on her mind a lot.
Right.
And there seemed to be like a lot of, you know, obviously there was like fear of.
of abandonment, even though they were already divorced, when that person that you have been with
for X amount of years passes, you still have abandonment issues from that, obviously, clearly,
that person was in your life. So I can understand why she was feeling the way she was feeling.
I just don't know if I feel like he would be, this is, it's very, her dream is very, very, very clear.
Yours is like an emotion.
Hers has clarity to it.
And I'm not sure how I feel about that.
I have to think about that.
She goes on to say, he used to come over me in a sweat.
And I told him he had to leave me alone.
And then he did.
She continues.
And then I felt really weird about it.
And then the day that I told someone how weird I felt about it,
I walked home an odd way and ran into a galley.
that had all of his photographs up.
There was a photograph of him in the very back of the gallery with a fedora on,
winking at the camera.
So I felt like he was letting me go.
But she says that wasn't the last time he visited her.
She then recalled a dream where they were both in a cafeteria in Greece.
And he told me that he was okay and that he wasn't in pain anymore and he was good.
and I never heard from him again.
Wow.
Interesting.
I mean, very interesting and very lovely, by the way.
I mean, really very, like, cinematic almost.
I don't know.
I mean, I have never had anything like that.
I mean, I'm an avoidant.
I don't know.
What have I able to have those things?
I'm like, what?
Who?
I don't know you.
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In the moment, it felt like it was going on forever.
I didn't think I was going to live.
I was terrified.
There was no anything inside those eyes.
They turned black.
It scared the hell out of me.
That was your first murder case?
Yes, sir.
Fair to say this was the biggest case of your career?
Yes, sir.
Rape and murder for a child.
12-year-old.
She's as bad as it gets.
I would think so.
People wake up.
I'm the one that saw the murder take place by Creveit and DePippo.
Anthony DePippo showed no signs of remorse,
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Moving on. So Olivia Wilde recalls a traumatizing moment. She was served papers from Jason Sudecis on stage four years ago.
Do you remember this? This was like a huge headline moment when this happened.
I know. So just recapping four years ago after one of her most obsessive,
setting moments, Olivia Wilde is looking back on being served legal papers from her ex,
Jason Siddakis, while on stage at CinemaCon in 2022.
She says, I will never forget one of the most effed, blank, up things that I went through
among so many was that I was served papers on stage.
And she says it was incredibly traumatizing.
So traumatizing.
was crazy about this and I had to look it up. They were actually never married. Oh, I didn't know that. I thought
they were. He served her with child, like child custody papers because they have two children together. So they were
actually never married. And she goes on to say basically she was on call her daddy. And she goes on to
say that like her ex obviously didn't know when she was going to be served with these papers. Like he's not
in control of this or anything like that.
But, you know, it's really horrific to think about that she would get that live on camera.
And then she says, she says, I remember like a couple months later, I met Tom Cruise.
And he was like, hi, I'm Tom.
Ficked up what happened to you in Vegas.
Tom Cruise.
Oh, like, she became more famous from it.
But it can be on stage.
You're promoting a movie.
Don't worry, darn.
That's not fair.
That's just not fair.
That was a very strange thing.
And I don't get, I don't get why it had to be like that.
I don't, does he want, I mean, that just paints him in such a bad picture.
Why would he want it to drop like that?
He had nothing to do with it.
So it's the company that or whoever does the serving, it's their job to find the person.
But I don't think that they're supposed to get themselves into like a cinema con.
a con and get on stage and go that route.
I think that's a little extreme.
It's like BravoCon stuff, not CinemaCon.
No, it's all bad.
She also revealed, though, in this same interview on Call Her Daddy about where her
co-parenting is with Jason and how it has shifted kind of her mindset.
So they have two kids, like I was saying.
And she basically opened up and said,
I really value the opportunity to be completely present with her kids and then to hand them off to a very
capable co-parent who is very present with them when he's with them.
Then I have this space, which is permission to then go work my fucking ass off.
And then she went on to say that the kids get the best of them and that they are co-parenting really well
together. She says, I actually find this divvying up of responsibility in a way can allow for really
amazing parenting because we are always our best with our kids. They get the best of us. I mean,
we are great fucking co-parents, she goes on to say, which listen, I think that's wonderful.
Yeah. It's amazing. Wonderful that she's gotten, that they've both gotten to that place.
That is not typical. You are a perfect example, Kelly, of you did.
not have that kind of co-parenting situation and you had to raise your two girls by yourself.
It just goes to show that parenting is the hardest job on the planet.
And we need to lift up single moms and dads as much as we can because they're doing a lot.
They're doing the job of two by themselves.
Whether they have a co-parent that's involved or not, it's a lot for one person to
take on. So I think it's great that they're there and that inspires other people that are out there
maybe on their journey that they can get there as well. But as a celebrity, I also want to note that
she's probably got assistants, nannies, personal chef and all those kinds of things that are
also in her arsenal, which, you know, is helpful. But it's great to hear that they've, you know,
come a long way, it sounds like, in the last four years. I think it's also,
to your point, I think as a celebrity,
I think it's great to hear that celebrities are doing that.
I think real people like myself,
not that she's not a real person,
but I'm on reality.
She's an actor.
I'm not an actor.
And when you are doing these things yourself,
you know,
like my fuse was short all the time.
I mean, like, I would be filming and I would just be like,
I've got kids in the car.
Like, can we get this scene done?
Like, I have to leave.
And, you know, it just was very difficult to,
raise children, provide for them, you know, do all these different activities, whether it was
writing or television, whatever it was, and all at the same time, seven days a week.
Yeah, it's the job that never ends.
And I know that other people have it worse, and I'm not trying to say it poor me because
I'm proud of who I am, but, I mean, there's a lot of people who are really, really struggling
with that one-man band, but I'm happy that they are able to, like, have great careers and, you know,
love their children. I mean, I think there's nothing more beautiful than that.
Exactly. Well, our next headline was kind of surprising. The Valley's Michelle shares rare
update on surprise relationship with Dr. Dre. Now, we covered this when they were first
snapped by the paparazzi a couple of months ago. I mean, what do you think first just off the bat?
Are you watching the Valley? Have you seen the Valley? I mean, I love the Valley. Yeah, I've been
So you've been watching her whole demise of her marriage with Jesse?
But I have watched many episodes and I literally am obsessed with the Valley.
I'm like, I can move to the Valley.
It's awesome.
It looks great.
It's fun.
Don't move to the Valley.
But we've obviously watched her entire marriage collapse with Jesse since the beginning of the show.
And last season, we saw her very quickly get into another relationship.
She introduced the Honey Guy.
Remember he was the Honey Guy?
and he was really involved in like her kids life and like as soon as cameras were down like
he broke up with her like so and then Jesse's already in another relationship and you know we've
I haven't watched too much of this season but what I did see didn't look like they were great
and this kind of this article kind of alludes to that as well but so she was snapped with Dr. Dre
like Dr. Dre like Dr.
Dre. Like the iconic Dr. Dre. I'm like, what? Dr. Dre? He's like the icon of all icons.
I just think it's an interesting pairing, I guess. Yeah. So it says she split her boyfriend, Aaron. That's the honey guy.
And was about to finalize her divorce from Jessie. She was in a better place than ever before.
She says, I was very excited about everything. She says about the start of this season. I just felt like I was released of so much
trauma from my past and let it all go. I did a lot of therapy. I was just ready for a brand new chapter.
So my question is, are we going to be seeing Dr. Dre on the Valley? Hell no. Because if we are,
I'm no. No, there's absolutely no way that that is happening. But basically, I saw she was on Watch What
What Happens Live, I think, this week too. And she said that they met through mutual friends. And she was
just being super coy and just kept being like, he's a great guy, he's a great guy.
In this article, when she was asked about co-parenting with Jesse, she says,
I try not to really have a relationship with him unless it has to be about our daughter.
We don't text.
We won't see each other unless like Isabella has a school function.
Then we'll go and we'll sit next to each other.
We definitely have our moments.
He still makes me upset at times and it's hard to navigate.
but I just focus on myself.
Don't get me wrong.
We definitely fight here and there, but we're much better than before.
I'm going to beg to differ that you see him more than that because you co-star on a reality show together.
I was just going to say that.
You definitely see him more.
And I believe that you don't text.
You're filming scenes.
Correct.
Exactly.
Exactly.
Thank you for the no text, but you're communicating.
Yeah.
They film in the summertime.
So, yeah, her rare comment, okay, this is where I jumped ahead.
She says, we're spending time together.
This is about Dr. Dre.
She says, we're spending time together and we love being in each other's company.
And then again, she says they met through mutual friends.
Then it says that for ex, Jesse, was asked by TMZ, you know, days after the two of them were
snapped at Nobu Malibu.
And he says to TMZ, he did not get a heads up about the couple's relationship and saw the
images for the first time on social media the same way everyone else did. So I ask you this,
say you're in her situation. You have a young child, right? Her child is,
their child is like in elementary school. You start dating somebody,
Uber famous. You get snapped by the paparazzi. You know you're snapped by the
paparazzi because they're in the parking lot when you come out to have having dinner.
Right.
Do you give your ex a heads up?
100%.
I mean, my ex is, you know, while, you know, so much older, but I would definitely say, like,
I just want you to know I was photographed with someone, you know, just so you know.
I would, that's, I'm not, but I'm that kind of person.
Like, I'm a, like, I'm a permission person, not a forgiveness person.
So I would be like, this is what's happening.
I just think like, I just think it's strange that she didn't tell her ex.
Like, I understand your, I understand you don't like your ex.
I get it.
But let me remind you, you co-star on a reality show with your ex.
Where you filmed together.
You film together.
You share a child together.
I just think it's like, you don't have to go into the details about your relationship with Dr. Dre.
But I literally think that you need to be like,
Hey, just FYI, I'm kind of seeing Dr. Dre right now.
It's new.
And we were snapped by the paparazzi.
You don't have to say any, you could literally block your ex right after you send that text message so he can't respond.
I love that.
I'm going to use that.
Your ex is on a reality show.
Look at this.
TMZ literally stopped him two days later.
And now he's like, I had no idea.
I just think it's weird, Michelle.
I just think it's a little weird.
I totally agree.
And I can't believe that she's doing that.
But I guess it's more, I guess Michelle is like,
it's more fodder for the show.
It's more, you know, we can fight about it.
But it's also kind of weird too because it's like it just keeps,
it's giving me unfinished business.
So it's like you're so removed and you can't tell your ex what's going on.
Why?
So you can create some kind of underpinning of drama between the two of you.
So you're going to do what win?
I think it's giving casual.
I think she's actually not that seriously dating him
or that maybe he's like dating other people.
And I think that she like is trying to save face and like not talk about it a lot because it's actually not that serious.
On Watch What Happens Live.
Andy asked if Dr. Dre had like met her kid and she was like no.
So I mean, so it's so.
Michelle, I will give you a round of applause that you're doing things differently than with your last
boyfriend who you were bringing him into the mix right away.
So maybe she's just like she's learned something.
But anyways, our next headline says, Katie Perry says falling in love with Justin Trudeau
transformed me after a pretty tough year.
Now, remember, Katie Perry was married to Russell Brand.
Yes. Then divorced. Then long engagement with Orlando Bloom, who she had a daughter with. And then they called off their engagement and broke up. Now she's with former Prime Minister Justin Trudeau. And he was previously married to a woman named Sophie. And they have three children. And they've been separated since 2023. So that's just the headlines.
like their relationship history.
But Katie was recently on a podcast called Unfamous.
And she said that I have love in my life now that transformed me.
She, when asked about how she has changed as a songwriter through the years,
she said, you think when the Beatles say all you need is love, it's cliche.
Cliques are cliches for a reason.
It's like you don't know until you have your baby,
how beautiful that experience is and how it transforms you.
I love that, though.
Yeah, I mean...
That's a great lyric, by the way.
Did I just say that out loud?
She's been dating Justin since summer of 2025,
and she went on to say,
I am constantly in transformation,
and I have so many placements of Scorpio in my chart
that it would be easy for me to go to this dark side.
She said, I'm constantly rebirthing,
constantly transforming, constantly, you know, Phoenix to ashes, and then hopefully an eagle.
She says about her, you know, relationship with Orlando Bloom ending, she says, I don't typically
feel like a victim. You can hear it in my songs that I don't resonate with that.
But last year was pretty tough. It would have been easy for me to fall into that weird victim
triangle. So instead of falling into woe is me, I was like, let's just feel.
this fucking pain. Let's feel this anger and let's move on. Let's learn from it also. Let's get some
feedback from it. So this is what I think is interesting and I want to get your take on this.
Sorry, I have to tell you, are those also some iconic lyrics as well? I'm sure she's in
songwriting mode for sure. But I want to get your take on this because she's coming out of this
long engagement, let's call it a marriage. It's common.
and, you know, law marriage.
I think when you have a child with somebody
and you're living with somebody,
the child, having a child with somebody
is the more serious commitment in my eyes.
Like marriage can be ending in divorce.
A child is forever.
You are now forever linked to somebody.
So she's coming out of that.
He's coming out of his marriage.
The two of them, I don't know,
trauma bond over their shared,
pain and find love in each other.
It's very reminiscent, I think of, like, when I think of other celebrity couples, it's
like Gwen Stefani and Blake Shelton, like they both kind of fell in love as they were
coming out of their divorces.
And Gwen is pretty, they've both been pretty open about how they've never said point
blank what they connected on, but they've alluded to the fact that they both experienced something
very similar in their marriages.
and that's kind of what bonded them together.
Do you think it's,
do you think you should start dating when somebody is separated?
Do you think that a trauma bond like this is actually a good foundation for a relationship?
So that's two questions.
Do I think people should date when they're separated?
No.
I mean,
I know that after I was separated,
I was such a mess trying to figure my,
own self out. I mean, not even putting into consideration my children, our financial future,
all these things, but I mean, I was, I was so scarred by the relationship that I had had with my
ex. And I cared about him very much. I trusted him. And I, when I met guys afterwards,
I did not trust them. I mean, I, and furthermore, I didn't even see them. I was just like,
they were like, oh yeah, you're like the new hot thing because you're divorced.
Everyone wants to date me.
And I was like, wow, that really makes me feel really good.
No.
So I can see now in the trauma bond, if I had met someone during that period who was bonding with me over the trauma that I was going through and helping me navigate those uncharted territory and wild waters, I probably would have gotten remarried.
quickly. But it was always just like, I was so like, what are they trying to do? What do they,
you know, they just want to date me because I'm well known. They just want to date me because I'm
new blood and flesh. And I just was very, and it's not negative. I was just a very, I was very
afraid. I was very afraid. So, I love the lyrics that she's writing. She's putting,
definitely listen to that song. I've never been.
divorce.
I've said that a handful of times on this podcast.
But I think that it's odd to me when people relationship jump, when people go from something
directly into something else seriously.
I think that singlehood is scary for a lot of people.
And I say that because what keeps people
in bad marriages, the idea of being single.
It's something that people really try to avoid because it's not necessarily fun.
It can be empowering later in the journey, but when you're first in it, it's not fun.
And I think that there's a lot of times, and I know these people.
I know, I know divorced people that relate.
relationship hop constantly, that are constantly moving in with somebody new, packing up, moving, getting into another relationship and just on this merry-go-round. And it's because they can't sit in the silence of singlehood. And that's what this is, I mean, if this is love and this is something that's going to be great for them in the long term, great. This is, we're coming up, it sounds like we're coming up on a year.
of them having been together
because they got together in summer of last year.
So I think that's great for them.
And how do we know, like, how long her relationship
with Orlando Bloom was like on the rocks?
And like it was like maybe they were living separate lives
for a long time before they actually publicly acknowledge
that they weren't together.
We don't know that kind of stuff.
But I find it interesting for people
that are able to relationship hop
because for myself, it's not something I can relate to.
I have to process what is happening,
and it is extremely difficult for me to turn off feelings.
And I just find it interesting.
So if you're listening and you have been a relationship hopper,
your whole life, drop us an email or leave a comment
about how you're able to do that if it's been successful for you.
If you're wanting to stop doing that and you're wanting to try and sit in the single life,
if you've never done that and you've wanted to try it, please let us know because, again,
that's not something that I've ever experienced and I'm kind of fascinated by people that are
able to do it.
But I also feel like it doesn't promote growth and processing of emotions when you're
constantly jumping.
That's just my take as a not doctor.
No, as a non-doctor.
Doctor, Doctor, I, listen, I think you're spot on.
I think relationship hopping is, I mean, obviously you're doing that for a reason.
I have to say, I mean, this sounds cliche, but, you know, being alone is lonely.
And I think what is so great about what you're saying is that really knowing who you are
when you're sitting still, knowing what you want, knowing what,
makes you the best version of you, what makes you the worst version of you, really being able to
like settle in with those kind of feelings, I think is very, very, very important to having a new
relationship. I think people just do it because they're just like, I don't care about my feelings.
I just want to be with someone because I don't want to be alone and I don't want to be lonely.
Well, and especially if you've been in a long-term marriage or relationship, the idea of going
from having somebody that you went to the grocery store with, ate dinner with, you know, went,
you know, and did vacations with to not having somebody by your side is a big difference.
And if you've never experienced life, going to restaurants alone, traveling alone, and I mean
alone, I don't mean as you're the single person on a trip with other couples, I mean traveling
by yourself, eating at a restaurant during the daytime, at a table, not getting to go food,
by yourself, going to a comedy show by yourself and sitting at a table. Like, if you have not
experienced these things ever, and now you find yourself divorced and everybody you know is still
married and in these couples, and now it's either you third wheel it or you do things by yourself,
I know that that can be daunting.
And that is why I think a lot of people jump into something right away, whether it feels right or not.
But anyways, like I said, I'd love to hear from you guys about if you do that, why you do that, if you've wanted to try that, why that seems appealing to you.
If rent hopping is a big thing, though, because I am single, if anyone thinks that I should be, should be hopping from person to person, let me know.
Yeah.
I want to hear your thoughts too.
Let us know.
I mean, personally, I'm just going to say that the people that I know that do it don't have success.
Right.
I have not seen a successful relationship.
And I know somebody else that always had somebody waiting in the wings before they broke up with somebody, you know, and I don't know if it serves people well.
But if you are a success story from that, tell us about it.
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In the moment, it felt like it was going on forever.
I didn't think I was going to live.
I was terrified.
There was no
anything inside those eyes.
They turned black.
It scared the hell out of me.
That was your first murder case?
Yes, sir.
Fear to say this was the biggest case of your career?
Yes, sir.
Rape a murder for a young-year-old child.
Just as bad as it gets.
I would think so.
Epo, wake up.
I'm the one that saw the murder
take place by Crevette and DePippo.
Anthony DePippo.
showed no signs of remorse, appearing unfazed after being sentenced to the maximum.
I said, I'm not guilty. I'll take it to the grief.
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All right, listen up.
The Jonas Brothers here.
Our podcast is called Hey Jonas.
since everyone has a podcast, we want it to as well.
And we've had some incredible guests so far.
And now our good friend, Nile Horn, is joining the show.
How's it going, boys?
Hey, Niall.
It's the same thing with Slow Hands.
Slow Hands is not about anything else, really, is it?
You know, or taste so good can't be about food.
You do the same, Nick, with some of the stuff that you've done.
You too, Joe.
Drop what you're doing and listen to Hey Jonas on the Iheart Radio app,
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Our final headline is from The Queen of Love.
loves love. It's Jennifer Lopez and she says that she told herself, you need to
figure yourself out after her divorce from Ben Affleck. So she was on smart list this week.
And, you know, she was talking, and it's interesting that she's talking about this because
her and Ben, I think, do not talk a lot about their divorce or their reconciliation.
and then split again.
So Sean Hayes asked her, what happened?
And she said, that's for a different time.
She was laughing, though, when she said it.
And she said, you come over, we have a glass of wine,
and you come to the new house.
It's amazing.
And then she's like alluding to that.
She said she's experienced a very emotional time in recent months in part
because her children, Emmy and Max,
who she had with Mark Anthony
are going to be going to college.
So she's in that transitional period
of kind of becoming an empty nester.
And she says,
I'm also staring down
what is my life now?
The past 20 years,
it's been one thing.
The past five years have been a tumult.
And then the last two years
has been kind of the healing process
from that tumult where I really get to know myself.
The person I am,
today is so different than the person I was even two years ago. It's crazy. And now I can really
look at life, appreciate it for what it is, and what I've created for myself and really be happy.
She also noted that there have been times in her life when she felt like my life blew up in my
own face without naming specific moments. It was because of the choices I made, but also because
of the fact that I had things that needed to change about myself that I did.
didn't understand or recognize that was attracting certain things and attracting a certain type of
experience into my life. So I want to give myself that credit too, but there comes a point where
it's also puzzling and wrong where you have to sit there. This is what we were just talking about,
right? Yes. She says, and after my last divorce, I just sat there and I was like, I canceled my
tour and I sat there and I was just like, you need to figure yourself out. What is going
on with you. Forget about everybody else. There's nobody to blame here except yourself in a certain
way. And J-Lo is totally guilty of what we were just talking about. She has always been a relationship
hopper. And she has always said she loves love. And I think it's kind of interesting to hear this
perspective that it sounds like she's doing the work this time, at this point in her life, it
sounds like she's really doing the work because she's looked back at her life and said,
what's the common denominator here? Oh, it's me. Right. I need to. I also love the accountability.
I also love that she is recognizing that, like you said, what's the common denominator? I need to
figure this out. You know, whatever he's doing, that's his life. This is her life. I also have a lot
of admiration for her for not for canceling the tour. I mean, it's a lot of money. It's a lot of money.
it's a way of distraction.
And she's like, no, I'm going to figure my life out.
I mean, that takes a lot of balls.
And I really admire that.
I mean, I don't know many people in her position who are entertainers would do that.
Yeah.
And she's also saying she needed to figure out what she was attracting.
So, again, it's like if something keeps happening, what's the definition of insanity?
It's like it's when you keep doing.
doing something and expecting a different result.
Result, right.
It's, it's, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it, it's, it, it, it's, it.
It's going to be different when you're doing, and approaching it may be the same way every single time.
So, so, so, it's, so, taking the time to pause. And I don't think we've really seen her having any sort of
public romance, um, in a minute. And I do think that that is just, just,
a sign that maybe she's doing things a little bit differently this time. So anyways, I hope that
this was kind of inspiring to people who are listening because clearly celebs are going through it just
like regular people. They are and they're doing the work just like regular people and they're
accountable for their actions. I think that like what I said before, just it's very, very easy
to be distracted by your work, your friends, like whatever it is, your work of classes,
whatever it is that's on your, you know, your everyday schedule, your schedule is everything.
But when you really start to like put the schedule aside and put in the work, I, you know,
you, I mean, I have put in a lot of work on myself and I feel, I feel so much just more
solid. I feel like I would listen differently. I care more. I mean, I consider myself a
giving person, but I genuinely care more. And it's been really, really.
It's been an amazing experience.
I know.
I told you this, but I've seen so much changing you since you started this podcast.
It's been fantastic.
I know.
When I first met, when I first met you, I was just like, oh, my God, I don't know if I could
do this.
I was so scared.
I was so intimidated.
I was just so, like, I just was so insular.
Thank you.
It really means a lot to me coming from you, especially.
Thank you, my Heather.
It's the truth.
Are you going through a divorce right now? Are you going through a really difficult time? Are you relationship hopping? I want to know it all. Send us an email, text us, DM us on Insta. We want to know everything. And if you want to hear this again, everything is in the show notes. I do part two. An I Heart Radio podcast where falling in love is the main objective.
There was no anything inside those eyes.
They turned black.
It scared the hell out of me.
Evil, wake up.
I'm the one that saw the murder take place by Crevette and DePippo.
Anthony DePippo showed no signs of remorse,
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I said I'm not guilty.
I'll take it to the grave.
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The Jonas Brothers here.
Our podcast is called Hey Jonas.
We're here, since everyone has a podcast, we wanted to as well.
And we've had some incredible guests so far.
And now our good friend, Nile Horn, is joining the show.
How's it going, boys?
Hey, Niall.
It's the same thing with Slow Hands.
Slow Hands is not about anything else, really, is it?
You know, or taste so good can't be about food.
You do the same, Nick, with some of the stuff that you've done.
You too, Joe.
Drop what you're doing and listen to Hey, John.
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in the culture, like Sway Lee.
Do you realize how legendary you are?
I appreciate that.
I'd be seeing it, but I'm like, man, I still got, like, so much more to do.
Like, Prince, he dropped, like, 30 albums.
We dropped, like, five right now.
That's the rate we got to be going.
Yeah, that's a good attitude.
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