The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - What Happens On Sex Week with Mykenna Dorn

Episode Date: March 22, 2023

Mykenna Dorn from Peter Weber's season is here with Ben and Ashley to help break down what's become known as "Sex Week"!  What REALLY goes down in the Fantasy Suites?? We get a behind the scenes look from Ben on what goes down.  Plus, a major debate on whether Zach should have told Gabi about his big decision... what do you think??See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I almost couldn't say it. Ben is never going to call it Sex Week. Jared wants to call it sex suite permanently. Why? Because it's funny. It's a little overdone now. It's not funny. Just with one week it's overdone.

Okay, sorry. It's not appropriate. It sets people up. McKenna, welcome to the almost soon as podcast for us. Hi. Thank you for having me. Okay, I understand what you're saying. Obviously, fantasy sweets are very important for not the sex part.

But it is funny that's the week that you have to decide whether or not to do something. McKenna, what do you think? Should it be called Sex Week or can we just stick with Fantasy Suites? What's your vote? There's no wrong answer here. I like Fantasy Suites. But I mean, it's like it can happen. But I just think it's just time for someone to have more quality time and like private time with someone.

It doesn't need to be all about sex. Yeah. But it can. It can if you want it to be. If you would like to enjoy that evening with a semi-stranger and just release all of the things that have been. in your body for the last three months as you've traveled around the world. Go for it. There's no shame in that game from this show. I just don't want to put added pressure to it. So the big question this week is who's right, who's wrong? That's my big question. Ben, I just want you to know

that, of course, I'm on your team in this. I know you are. I'm not saying you're not. It really started out as kind of a joke. It is a joke, Ashley. Of course, me, Virgin Ashley, are like, of course, I'm down for it there to be like no sex if that's the choice. Ashley, nobody is going to be mad at you for wanting and thinking it's funny that's called sex week. Okay, okay, okay. But it's really Jared. So this episode, we're going to break down right now. There's a lot to talk about, but mostly around one topic. So we're going to fly through, I think, the two of the three fantasy sweets dates. Talk a little bit about Katie. The big question overwhelmingly for me. And I, to get this thing started, I would love to hear the big question on your mind as we walk into

breaking this down is who's right and who's wrong. Like, where did things? go wrong is a question that exists in my mind because there's a lot of different opinions. You would think, you know, if you didn't dig in, everybody would be anti what Zach did. But some people are saying, hey, it was very honest. It was very nice of him. It was very respectful. Now you'll hear my opinion in a bit. McKinna and Ashley, what is your big questions after watching this week's fantasy suites dates? Well, let McKenna go first. Okay. I feel like I would have reacted the same way, like, Gabby reacted in the sense of him coming to her saying, I need to tell everyone we had sex last night for me to feel better.

And I think I felt the exact same way that Katie felt me and like, like, I know what's happening, but I don't need you to confirm it for me before, like hours before we're supposed to have our quality time together. Like, I just feel like, yeah, maybe he needed to get that, like, off his chest so he could, like, feel good. about his decision at the end of the day, but for those girls, like, I just, I felt for them and I don't know, I don't know how I would, like, recover, like, for Katie, like, props to her for, like, going for the rest of the night. Because I think I would just been like, like, she would said it right. She's like, do you want me to say good job? Like, cool.

Like, I don't need to, like, no. Like, yeah, high five. And then, like, Gabby, it's like, we just had this great night together. Like, we don't, you don't need to be telling everyone. about our night. So McKenna, that's kind of an intimate thing. Would you say the appropriate question

to start out this show for you would be, was Zach being selfish? Was that a fair question for you to, like, and did his selfishness hurt others? Would that be a fair question? Or how would you phrase

kind of where your mind's at in a phrase after watching last night? I think he was almost like thinking about him. Yeah, he was thinking about himself in that moment. and like I get that he needed to come clean, but sometimes it's in that situation, probably better just to keep that between you and Gabby.

Cannot wait to dive into more of this with you because I have some very strong opinions. Okay, all right. That we're going to share. Ashley, if there's a phrase or something on your mind after watching last night, what would that be? Okay, well, initially my thought was that it all depends on the person

who's receiving the message and Katie says, situation. Okay, because some people may have wanted to know, and I think that Zach is probably the person that would want to know, which is why he assumed that Katie would want to know, didn't realize Katie wouldn't want to know. So in that case, I think you could go back and forth on the appropriateness of it. I think it just depends on the person. Now, when Gabby's situation, yeah, he's, I think he is being selfish. He's trying to get guilt off his shoulders in telling other girls what happened between them. His big mistake, of course, is at the top of the show when he declared that this is what he was going to do. I can't believe he made such a mistake,

especially following Clayton's season, in which Clayton was like, I slept with all three of you girls. And I said, I love you, basically, to all three of your girls, that you'd think that he wouldn't want to blanket anything. Yeah. Well, let's kick it off. Even though it had good intention. Yeah. The question there then for me, after listening to you, Ashley, is, Did he have good intention? I think it's something to think about. Really? Yeah.

You think that the beginning of the week, he may have had malintention? No, no, no, no. I think the good intention is when he started to openly express what happened in the fantasy suites with other people. Oh, then in that case, I don't know. And I also have to say that I think that I wonder what would have been the situation if Ariel went last

and it wasn't Katie going last. Like if he had to tell Ariel, would he tell Ariel? or did he have to tell Katie because in his head going up to this point he was going to pick Katie and then he was like I'm definitely not going to go into an engagement without telling this woman so I'm going to have to tell her at some point as might as well tell her at the beginning I have so many thoughts well I will say I think out of the three of us I'm the only one that has spent any time in a fantasy suite so I know what they look what they do two fantasy suites oh on paradise to call them like the most real they're not yeah I'm talking

most real during the main shows there yeah um i know what they look like i know how uh they go i uh i will say this to kick off then breaking down each one of these fantasy suites no matter what uh and again we'll share my opinion here in a bit i was engaged in this episode i felt like it was a in a sense a throwback bachelor episode that felt like hey i want to know what's going to happen around every turn i might not agree with what's happening i might not like what's happening, but I'm engaged in the content and I'm engaged in the emotions of everybody involved, which is not always the case, as we've been very clear as of recent. Okay, they're in Thailand this week. What a beautiful place to spend a week. I can't imagine, though, what travel

looked like for them. I mean, they were just in hometowns last week. Now, all of a sudden, they're in Thailand. That's not a short flight. That's not an easy flight. They've got to be exhausted exhausted time change and everything too yeah um Ariel's the first fantasy sweets date Ariel looked good like she was beautiful the whole

time she looked her best I was like so amazing I was like what are you I know the look and Zach mentioned it but that look that she gives like they were eating or something he's like she can just like stare into me and like I lose my mind I'm like I get it like she did it

with the TV. I was like, holy cow, I'm a married man, but you got to stop. She's sexy. Like, that's the thing. She has a sex appeal, a mystery, just like, there's, she just has that, and that is an ability, or that's like a radiation that I don't think you can just achieve. I think you're born with it. Yeah, you're born with it. She said the most attractive phrase that anybody could say to me. This is attractive for me, not for everybody, but she said something to Zach where she's like, you know what, I don't hate, I'm not going to get it exactly right, but she's like, I don't hate having fancy dates. I don't hate crazy experiences, but what I really like is the dates that we can kind of make memories on, that we can enjoy together.

And I was like, what an amazing thing for somebody to say as you're getting closer to the end, that they're not expecting the world all the time, that they just want to be with you, that they want to eat bugs and have fun. Also, a quick note, this is the first time I think in any bachelor season that they've eaten bugs and not reacted in an inappropriate, like, hurtful way towards the culture. I really love that. Like, this is something that people in Thailand obviously eat, and it's probably pretty good. You just got to get over the fact that it has legs. Yeah. But every other season, no matter what they've eaten, they've almost acted like it's the grossest thing they could possibly put in their mouth, which is offensive,

right? It's offensive towards people that eat that. I love that. they enjoyed it. That was awesome to me. Yeah, they were having fun with it. They were digging into everything. Looked like it. So ladies, throw it to you. This date is going on. Is there any moment where you thought Ariel would be there next week after their Fantasy Suite date? No, just because we knew it was to come. If we didn't have all the teases, then I would have been thinking otherwise. But because we knew he was going to sleep with somebody next and just based on rumors and again i'm not spoiled don't want to be spoiled but just like with brushing social media it seemed as if he was going to sleep with gabby or aerial because everybody thinks of katie as his frontrunner and what i was

kind of getting was that he wasn't going that he wasn't sleeping with the frontrunner mckenna what did you think um i didn't have a whole idea what's going to happen um so i just watched last night but um i liked ariel i thought they had like a great connection so like i wouldn't have been surprised if she was you know in the final two so actually based on what you said then how did you know that it wasn't aerial that he that he slept with yeah that he slept with because they said they said at the end of the day and they dragged that out we are waiting with bated breath is he gonna say and i couldn't keep to my plan and he was like and we didn't he literally said we didn't have sex and it made me start thinking about the ordering of the dates at first i was like oh could

katie have gone first you know all that no they this time they showed the three fantasy suites in chronological order yeah i was surprised though because i think this is like so this is a little you'll get it um i think everybody thinks of ariel as being like this sexy one right and people kept thinking like oh she's going to be the temptress he's not going to be able to say no to like her in the fantasy suite and it wasn't her and i think that was a surprise i was surprised that it was that it was gabby over ariel they're both beautiful women they're all beautiful wonderful women but i do think that most of the fandom was expecting it to be with Ariel

and going off of what you said Ben last week it seemed like Ariel to him was the one that was hard to get and he like kept being like oh I gotta get this girl she's the sexiest girl I've ever been around but I don't know if she likes me so much and I think like if given the opportunity

it's probably like you want to land a girl like that I think I think yeah so that you know would have been love or love And that's really a question for this whole show is what was his intention by saying to Jesse at the beginning of all these dates that he is not going to have sex? Now, he based it on Sean Lowe's advice, which I don't remember hearing from Sean during the show that, you know, he should not have sex during the fantasy suites. I'm sure that conversation did exist because I think that was Sean. Yeah, just an air. But it was Sean's big storyline kind of during his season was that he was a born again virgin. So he gives Zach this advice to not. have sex. Now, as we look back, was that good advice? Yeah, I think it's fine advice for Sean Lowe himself. Was it good advice for Zach to take? Just not good advice for Zach to declare. Yeah. I just think to put those expectations out, like, he's, I don't know,

like, think he just, he went with his head thinking like, that's what I'm going to do. And then I think maybe it just didn't work out for him right and then he kind of he's going to hurt someone in the end by saying that he's not going to and telling everyone every girl that right so there is one thing that i want to know because i've been through this what happens in the fantasy suite at least in my opinion was always very private no matter what you were choosing to do if you were choosing not to nobody need to know that you weren't going to it wasn't important for the audience to know um if you were going to. Nobody really needed to know. It wasn't important for the audience to know. And the producers were very supportive of that. Like, that was my stance is whatever happens is going to

happen between us because it's the fantasy suites. This is about us. This is the one moment we've had that doesn't have to air. Nothing has to be known about what happens behind the scenes. You can make little innuendos, you can make jokes, you can do all those things. But the show doesn't need you to make the declaration of what's going to happen in them. And the producers never asked me to because I think it would be weird if they sat down. They're like, yeah, but we really want to know what you're going to do in there. Like, we're really into the idea of thinking about you. No, that's not a thing.

Like, they didn't care. That's another thing. Like, I felt bad about Gabby. I felt glad for Gabby because never do we have the situation where it's like confirmation that they had sex, right? They try to allude to it every time, whether they did or not. Sure. but then I couldn't help but think in my head I was imagining the two of them

specifically the two of them normally I don't think that happens but it's because it was like that happened and then when he was telling Katie that it happened I was seeing it happened in Katie's brain oh yeah she's then like thinking I think they're aren't they like really close friends too from what I've seen like yeah I don't like that's just like a weird that's what I said like she has to go into her fantasy suite a couple hours later and like that's what's on her mind like it's just yeah it's uh well it's gabby's date now it's a good transition now i mean ariel's fantasy suite i'm almost is forgotten at this point it is it was here and gone and after the show ended ariel's fantasy sweet date no matter how amazing she was and great

the date was it's not a story there's nothing to follow up with so we go in the gabby's date which is a very nice date. I'm going to remember what they do. I felt like the entire episode was strictly about whether they do or do not have sex. No, I mean, it's kind of true. I don't know if I remember what they do either, in fact. I think they went to their own island. And she was just like upset because she was in her head.

Oh, that's right. She was at the beach. Actually, this was probably the only other part of the episode that like really meant something. Yeah. Yeah, she talked about how she was just super insecure and felt like she was going to be second. Second, second, second, second, second, second, second, second, and I'm like, oh, God, we're foreshadowing something, aren't we? This is a Nick Viall situation. Well, and I think it's important to say, I mean, I was in the final three during Caitlin's season.

You get a pretty good sense at this point where you stand. There's very few seasons where it's a complete shocker to the second place person that they're not chosen. I think there's some heartbreak. I think there's some hopes. I think the producers are behind the scenes trying to lift them up and tell them how great they are and tell them that this is going to be a beautiful, you know, engagement. But you, in your head, in your gut, you know where you stand. I mean, I knew that Sean and Nick had more of a connection with Caitlin than I did.

I knew I was going home. I didn't want to believe it, but I knew it. Well, I think Ariel felt that way. But do you think that Gabby is in her head definitely being like, I know I'm second, I know I'm second? I think so. And I think it's important to note that in Gabby's past, she brought up that this, you know, she feels that second. Like she feels like second place and that this is an insecurity for her, right? My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly and now I'm seriously suspicious.

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My name is Ed. Everyone say, hello, Ed. Hello, Ed. I'm from a very rural background myself. My dad is a farmer, and my mom is a cousin. So, like, it's not, like... What do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? I know it sounds like the start of a bad joke, but that really was my reality nine years ago. I just normally do straight stand-up, but this is a bit different. On stage stood a comedian with a story that no one expected to hear.

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I tried to do that, and that didn't work out for me during my season. Yeah. So he follows a similar path to that. Yeah, he kind of does. Yeah, he's not, he's, he's, he's walking a very thin line. time. But I don't know how much he could have reassured her or should have reassured her that she's not going to be second. I think that's an insecurity. She had to communicate to him in that he takes in at this point. And he either fulfills it by, you know, proposing to her at the end or he confirms

it by now we know either getting second or first. But she really cares about Zach. And I think we're seeing that about Gabby of the last few weeks. She really cares about him. She really trust him. She misses him when they're gone. And so the island is a unique kind of situation where she is expressing these kind of final day insecurities and also reassuring Zach that I'm only feeling this way because I care about you so much. Zach at this point kind of talks about that he's not, he's made this commitment to not

have sex. Gabby, Gabby takes. Not happy. No, she's not happy because again, and I want to hear this from your perspective. Because at this point, you know, as we're watching the show, if this is a standard at which Zach is going to set, and if he's going to make this declaration on every day, and he's going to stick to that declaration, we don't know that he doesn't at this point. I'm saying it's fair for Zach to communicate to her. Now, again, could he have done it behind closed doors, that he had to do it so the public knew, he didn't. He could have done it in the fantasy suites. And when they got inside, I've been like, hey, this is just something that I think is right for tonight. yeah yeah but he does it she reacts and she's hurt or confused or feeling like it just reassures her already insecurities from your perspectives why is she feeling that way what's going on in her head what's happening mckenna you go first i think if i was like in her shoes i think i would just

i mean i get the whole feeling of feeling insecure and just you're in that in that situation you're you're constantly comparing yourself to these other girls right always like you're just thinking, well, he just had this date with this girl and like, like, you're just constantly thinking that. And I think she just thought, like, oh, so like, that's off the tables tonight, which is fine. But what if I want, like, what if I needed that extra little something with you, maybe possibly? Like, it could be, maybe that's big for me at the end of this. Like, if we get engaged, like, it's just, I think she just is going through her head. Like, there's like a hamster wheel in the back of her.

her head just constantly going like okay well now you just want to do that now am i going to be second if it doesn't i think that's just like her head is just constantly going yeah uh i think that i think she knows that it's something that he's doing all week yeah but i feel like in her head she's a little bit twisting it to be like oh he doesn't want to have sex with me to me yeah i think that's just a thing that we do it's one important note and i think it might have i don't think Zach had ill intention in making this declaration. I don't. I think maybe on the back end of the episode, he does have some intentions that he can't quite figure out what to do and if it's right or wrong. That's why the question at the beginning was who's right and who's wrong. But I think

through this whole season, and we've been critical of Zach McKenna. We've also been supportive of Zach. We've thought he's had really great moments and moments that just like any season and any lead, no matter if they're the bachelor or bachelor, we question. I think for me here, and it's been a criticism through the whole episode, I think Zach believes this is his season. Like, this is about him finding love. It's about him. Yeah, it's about him. He's a little selfish about it. I agree. It goes back to like all the moments where it's like girls bring up like how they're feeling. And now he's like, we're not on the right, on the same page. I have a girl around here. And she'll be on the same page as me always.

It's all about being on the same page as me. I think no matter what, you know, obviously, and if we can only base it on our personal experiences, you know, my wife and I went nowadays a fairly untraditional path, right, where we didn't have sex before we got married. And it's worked out really well for us. We're very healthy and happy and doing great. It doesn't, it's not everybody's cup of tea.

I get that. And so there's no right or wrong on how, you know, every couple has their own dance, as my mother-in-law says. but I think when it comes to sex, especially sex and insecurities and every element of a relationship, it's a two-sided street. Like you have to communicate and you have to hear it out and you have to hear what Gabby's going to feel when you say, hey, I'm thinking that this would be the wisest thing. And here's why I'm thinking it. What do you think about that? Instead, it was like, I'm making this decision for both of us. And if it hurts, sorry. And I don't. And I don't.

don't know if that's right. I don't know, especially when it's down to the final three, this is everybody's season. Everybody's in this equal weight trying to figure out if this is going to be the right person for each other. Well put. Yeah, because I mean, they have to pick him too, right? So it's not just about him. Can't be. And she was saying that like she really felt like it was an important thing to experience before getting engaged. Yeah. And it is kind of like weird. Was she the one that made the little joke saying, I didn't think I'd get engaged to someone without sleeping with them. Yeah. It seemed like it was a big deal and maybe a deal breaker for her to get engaged to someone. So it's definitely probably annoying for her to be like, oh, okay, so I guess I know

who the decision maker in our relationship is. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Well, they have a dinner portion. Everything's going fine. They go back to the fantasy suites. And this is where the show really takes a turn, right? They wake up the next morning. They're very happy. Like, I didn't think they did because it, like... To me neither. It seemed too light. I don't know about you guys, but like, if I was to stick, like, make a declaration to be so confident in like what I want to do and then like I go against that, especially like a thing like sex, there's like this, your mind plays games with you, right? No matter what you want to believe, it's a powerful thing. And so, unless you both like have walked into it being like this is going to be a blast we're going to

roll around the sheets all night we're going to have so much fun and then you wake up you're like that was great but if you walk into it saying this is not what i'm going to do tonight no matter what it is in your life you set some standard or boundary and you've crossed that standard or boundary when you wake up in the morning it at least for me and tell me if i'm weird here i feel a sense of guilt and shame which i don't think's healthy but it happens and so i'm on i'm in my own head for until I can get out of my own head for a long time. I know. So then when I was watching this before they were

like, something changed and we did we did it where we were intimate. Yeah. I was like, oh gosh, so he sleeps with Katie. Okay. And then, yeah, they dropped the bomb on us. But wait a second. Can we just have a little bit of laughter right now in the fact

that he is not an F boy at all? I know he's not. No. But he sounded so much like one when he was like, Jesse. I know I made this, this plan, but guess what? We had sex. Plans change. Plans change.

Plans change. Good old sex. McKinna, what do you think? Do you feel like that morning was oddly peaceful and, like, kind of pointed if they had sex or not, to something really special? I think watching it, I knew right away, they, like, just like their energy. I think, I think looking at her, I feel like her whole, like, energy was just, you're right. She was just like, we did it. Like, she was just like, she was beaming with excitement.

And I think, I don't know, like her waving goodbye. Like, it just gave off that like they did have a very special night. And like, I think. McKenna? Yeah. Don't you think that it wasn't just like a, like the post-sex glow stitch? And it was also like a, I made him change his plans. I won.

glow that's a thing yeah oh yeah yeah yeah yeah I definitely think she had that overall yeah being like he said this but yeah but look at me yeah yeah like I'm so hot and seductive that I change the course of Bachelor history but I mean go her go her yeah but do you did it she got what she wanted because I'm unfamiliar with this mindset um do you think that happens when he says hey we're not going to do you think she said i'm going to take the power back like is that part of it am i no i think maybe something just happened between them during that night i don't think it i mean you never know and i wasn't obviously in there but um but like i think i think that

they were just i mean were they did they have the room with like the bathtub with like the like yeah like i don't know i think you walk in there being like this is pretty romantic and well that's what i was thinking too. Are they going to just go in the bath and then show each other naked and then just sit there. We can't though. We can't. Sorry. Yeah. Like I just think, I don't know. Like, yeah. I mean, and like, let's like frame this a little bit for all parties involved. I wasn't necessarily kidding when I said that you've been dating and kissing and rubbing up against and traveling the world in the most romantic dates and looking really good yourself and

seeing other people look really good for, you know, close to three months now. Like, that's a, there's a lot going on inside of a human. No matter what kind of like boundaries you set physically, you're an adult male and female and you're feeling a lot. Like your hormones are raging. You're like a teenager again. And you haven't had a lot of alone time. And so there's just a lot.

So you get in a room with somebody. who's beautiful. Zach's a beautiful man. Gabby's a beautiful girl. And like, I'm not surprised. None of this is shocking to this point, right? The only shocking part is Zach thought he was not going to or he'd set some boundary

not to. But none of this is shocking and none of this is unfamiliar territory to the Bachelor world. It happens every season at some level, right? If you and you're staying in a bed with somebody. So either you're just like making out and you're setting that like everybody's made out. I'm sure Sean Lowe, like, made out real hard with, like, all of his people. Even, you know, he might have been able to stop himself. But everybody's making out. You've done it all season. So, uh, the conversation with Jesse is somewhat worthy to be skipped over. He tells Jesse,

except for the fact it was hilarious. It was hilarious. And Jesse, I think, I couldn't tell if he knew what was going to be said going into it because he's kind of like drinking as like Zach's talking and he stopped. He's like he was like oh oh uh and i know from like chris's experience he they don't all the host doesn't always know what's happening right because there's that shock factor and they want that and it felt like if you watched it closely like jesse had sprinted across the resort to get to the room on time he was like jesse's a fit male he works out and he was like out of breath you he's Zach what's going on man and they sit down jesse has a glass of water like i'm sweating and uh He's a little shocked.

So Zach admits that that Gabby and Zach slept together. Oh, wait. I have something to say here. Why do you think that Zach would tell production this? This is where it's like, what was he thinking? Like, why? Okay, so he sleeps with Gabby.

Why do you think that he like went to his producer and was like, you know what? We did it. Yeah. How much grinding do you think that they needed to do? Well, Zach keeps phrasing this. And this is where we're going to get into now the meat of the episode. There's some phrases that Zach uses that I think are a little confusing to Katie and to Gabby.

Zach says, I can't lie. It's kind of his excuse here. I just can't lie. But there's no lying involved here, in my opinion. He told Ariel that he wasn't going to have sex this week. That was something, you know, so maybe he had to tell Ariel that, hey, I messed up. Maybe. I don't even think it's appropriate.

Yeah. but there's no lying involved it's a it's not it's not even a secret it is a moment with somebody you care about that you feel like needs to be kept between the two of you yeah so i don't know you know why he told production like is he is he kind of does my whole uh self-describing thing where he's like i'm just too honest of a human i have a huge heart and i just i got to be honest and i'm like no like you don't in this situation No, give it to yourself. Okay, well, then hypothetical here.

He goes, he keeps things to himself. He ends up, we have to assume in this case that he doesn't pick Gabby. Because if he picks Gabby, no problem, you know, between the two of them forever. Yeah. Say he goes and he picks Katie. Then he's supposed to tell Katie in private after the engagement. Yes. And then how is that going to go across?

You think it'll go across better? Yeah, you know why? Because she never knew it was his plan. Yeah, she never knew was his plan. And I've been in this environment before, right? So, you know, after the engagement, you typically have a week, just the couple in the same place that you got engaged with them. And most couples that I know from the show spend that week breaking down all that's happened in the last three months. Because there's a lot of trauma and emotion that exists especially for the person, you know, chosen, who is a contestant.

And you kind of open up the door to say, ask anything you want. Anything you don't want to know, don't ask me, you know? But if you want to know something, ask me and I'll try to make sense of it. I don't know if I'll be able to. This thing was weird. I'm just happy we're here now. I'm happy we're in this environment where we exist together. But if you want to know something, you're now my partner for life, in a sense you would expect to, at least at that point. And so ask me. And I'll have to tell you. But if you don't want to know it, don't ask it so you know what happened i think is that he was looking out for his own image because if no he wasn't nobody would have known that they were on the that they had sex

nobody had to know nobody had to know and i think that's a good a good point here is nobody had to know and there wouldn't have necessarily been anything wrong with nobody knowing especially when it comes to something private and intimate which is the fantasy suites I think that is a private, intimate moment. And I also think at that point in time, if anybody did need to know, that was definitely Gabby's decision for people to know. It wasn't just Zach's. That's not just Zach's choice.

Yeah. And so Zach tells Katie, Katie's reaction is like just amazingly real. You don't always know if you're going to get real moments on the show, but her reaction is like how anybody would react in the real world, especially at first where she's confused. She's thrown off. She says her heart's beating so fast. Yeah, she was kind of like, I can't look at you.

I need to look down. There's distance. Like, I know that feeling where all of a sudden there's distance between you. Like, you almost like, I can't even look at this person because it hurts so much. You felt it for her. Yeah. And she makes comments like we laughed about where she's like, what did you want me to give you a high five? Like say, yeah, you did it.

Like, Zach, I didn't need to know this is what she's saying the whole time. She said she assumed it. Like, I knew it could happen. I don't make you to confirm it. Like, yeah. And she said, now I have the image in my head. Yeah. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly.

And now I'm seriously suspicious. Oh, wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast. So we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think. is a problem, but I don't trust her. Now he's

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And off to the side here where we're not really at this moment thinking too much about is Gabby, who all of a sudden we start thinking a lot about because we have a scene where Gabby says something that really, like, broke my heart. And it did. Scarlet Letter. Yeah. She says, I feel like I have the scarlet A on my chest. She's so right. And she is. Yeah. And I think people will support her because they can relate and feel where she's at. I think people are not going to be mean to Gabby, I hope, based on this. But Gabby just all of a sudden, I think, is feeling a lot of emotions. And shame is now one of them because she tells us that she has the scarlet letter on her chest, which is a powerful book. if you haven't read it. But it is a moment where my heart breaks

because this is a personal moment for Gabby. She thought it was personal. She thought this person cared about her so much that this was a moment that they could keep between the two of them. And now I think his choice to tell Katie is reassuring Gabby once again that maybe she is second

because he didn't care enough about her to keep it private. Yeah. And he had to tell Katie. Katie. He never goes and tells Ariel. I mean, I know he knows he's going to eliminate Ariel, but. Yeah, I felt, I just felt for Gabby in that whole situation, because I just think all the insecurities that she had before their fantasy suite, it's just coming back up again. I think she felt reassured after their night together and felt confident and felt good about what they shared

and just like through conversations or through being intimate and then for it to be like announced to the world announced to Katie and yeah she's like like why did he I think she's going to go in her head being like why did he have to tell her like is she it yeah 100% so why did you have to why did we have then why did now what like I think she's just like now I'm second I'm obviously second he had to tell her because he wouldn't be telling her if it was me at the end I think that she's just going to, and she's just going to break down now, and I just, I just feel for her because it's just unfair and just. I hope she goes out in a blaze of glory. Like, I hope she goes down, like, this is ridiculous. Like, you made this declaration, you know, this is what

happened between us. You said you had to tell Katie. I think it's very obvious why he had to tell Katie. I think it's very obvious at this point to Gabby, because I think the question that she asks is, why do you have to tell Katie, you know? Yeah. Yeah. And Zach is continuing to reassure. reinforce this well if we're going to end up engaged at the end of this um this person needs to know what happened it's like well if we end up engaged at the end of this i'm the only one that needs to know what happened yeah if i'm gabby i'm out like i'm leaving right there on that on that rose ceremony i'm saying i'm not accepting this um i know what's coming ahead and i'm gone but wait she says that she says i don't even know if i want to accept this rose and now if we're thinking of

blaze of glory moments, it would have been great if she did that in that moment and just been like, I don't know if I can accept this rose or just not. Yeah. Because I think she didn't have enough time to know how she was going to feel in that moment up there with Katie. I think if she knew how she was going to feel in that line, you know, in that scarlet letter moment, I think she may have done it. I think she may have denied the rose.

But now I think she'll let it simmer a little bit longer and realize it's the only way doing it. We also, yeah, I'm thinking about like previews. Do we ever see her, like walking up to the podium? Probably not. Like, I really hope that she, now I really hope she breaks up with him before he could break up with her.

I mean, I think, and so to kind of summarize this whole episode, I think we all agree here. And tell me if we don't. Zach didn't need to tell Katie. The only reason that he felt like he needed to is because Katie was the one at the end. and he felt like she was his future fiancé and that he feels like the future fiancé needs to know what happened in these fantasy suites. Katie is pretty clear that no, she doesn't. And if you did give

her that week after the show's done and you open up the door and said, ask anything, I don't think she asks this. I don't think she has any interest. I think she again says, I assumed. And the assumption was enough. And the assumption was hard enough. But I don't need to know that this happened. I have one more thing to add. They don't show the morning after with Katie. Wasn't that weird? It is weird. Yeah.

They were like, I'm going to cut this out. We're going to cut that out so that we don't have any like comparison moment. And yeah, that's a good point, Ashley. I wonder what the conversation look like between Katie and Zach in the fantasy suites. Like once the door is closed because what happens is you're filmed all day.

You close that door and nobody's there. it's gone. It's the first time in over, you know, two and a half months that you haven't had a camera around you or anybody else standing within five feet of you. The fantasy suites are a very private, quiet moment. And there's no glitz and glamour to it other than the fact that the two of you are there. It's a little bit weird at first. It's a little weird because there's also still like no music, no TV. So it's like pure silence unless you guys are talking to each other. So I wonder once that got closed, if Katie, I'm hoping Katie was like, so what are we going to do? Like, let's talk through now where your decision lies, Zach.

Like you made this declaration, I guess just to Ariel, because you've never really made it to me. And then you messed it up with Gabby. Like, Zach, like, where are you at in all of this? I think that conversation probably was very awkward. And I hope she leaned in a bit to Zach, the cameras are gone. like wake up a little bit like stop doing whatever your cycle of like telling what you're saying telling the truth like stop this cycle of telling the truth right now and just be real to each individual relationship I don't know it'd be a very awkward moment I feel like once that door

closed especially for Zach I bet Zach stuck his tail between his legs like I'm sorry I messed up yeah which is why I was excited to see what the vibe was the morning after because we all know that those vibes are very crucial. Think about like Colton and Tasia. Everybody knew something was off, right? Yeah. Yeah, pretty obvious. Now we know.

Yeah, we know. Well, to flashback then to all of this, Katie turns and says, no, I want to continue this thing after some time away from Zach. She's obviously very interested in Zach. I wonder what that process was like for her. We didn't get to see a lot of the kind of moments away. I really thought that she wasn't going to return.

And I don't think Zach ever believed she wasn't going to return. Because when she walks up and they have their overnight date or their dinner portion, he acts very calm and collected like, let's go walk inside. Let's have a great night. I don't think you ever imagine that she wouldn't come back And I wonder why Because I really didn't think she was going to come back Maybe because she just

Despite being really honest And raw and we loved it When he told her She didn't like freak out She didn't like run away She did seem like she wanted to have Like the maturity and collectiveness To kind of think through it

I got to give Kate a lot of credit here in this as well because even standing with gabby at the end um after the rose ceremony when zack walks uh aerial out there's there's no like we've seen hard words or like people have confrontation in those moments and she did it um you know i know she probably imagined it was hard for gabby as well uh katy did keep a calm about her she spoke a lot of like really wise things to Zach even saying, you know, I assumed it. I didn't need to know this. What do you want me to do? Give you a high five. Like, go get him, buddy. Katie handed herself really well. We've always been a Katie fan here. So the last telling point, Ariel does go home. Gabby and Katie are

standing with Zach at the podium at the end. And Gabby's right. Zach is not making eye contact with her. In fact, it was awkward to watch. Whoa. It was so crazy. again leave there drop the rose have a drop the mic moment but a drop the rose moment and leave it was so awkward because we know we know that this is one of his telltale signs when he's not making eye contact with you he's done with you but ken i know you haven't watched the whole season this is what he does i've seen like some like memes a little bit here like his face like when he you know he's not interested he's like like pulls away kind of and then yeah he's like like lighting up a bit but i think well gabby like she could obviously sense that like he was

like looking at katy but i also didn't katy just say to her like i knew it was you right so i think she's also just like like katy said okay so i couldn't quite make that out she was i knew it was you yeah i think she was like closing her mouth like kind of just like whispering it to her like and what sense like a mean sense or just like i knew it was you that would be here no i think that like she said like I felt it as like I knew you guys had sex or something

yeah oh like something I I in that moment even though I didn't quite get what she said I was interpreting it as like I knew it was like I knew that you were the one that he would have slept with like yeah that's what I thought yeah yeah because they're friends I mean I don't think

I didn't get like Katie was like quietly digging at Gabby there being like no I don't no I think it was like I think it was just like in that moment they I might have just forgotten for a hot second that they were dating the same guy. I think she was like, I knew you guys like, I think it was like a like a jokingly friendly like best friend thing being like, I knew it was you. And then I think, you know, Gabby's like, I mean, he did tell me. He was going to go tell someone, but I didn't think like this confirms that he did tell ever, like tell someone that we had sex.

Oh, and we didn't talk about the come. Yeah, the conversation that he went back to Gabby and was like, hey, just letting you know. um i'm gonna tell and then she was like uh she had like the biggest i felt like she was so gross out he was like yeah okay like why like so did i seen you again but now you're gonna go like and he kept saying like it was really nice like it was really good like i felt like he kept saying like the night it was great night like it says nothing to do with you i just need to tell everyone like yeah that that was the moment where it was the selfish moment yeah so yeah i have to rid myself of guilt moment obviously the three of us are agreeing that he didn't need

to tell that it was a very weird decision. McKenna something we try to do here is at least explain the other side and I don't know if there'll be people in support of what Zach did here and at least in support of

what his intentions were here can any of us maybe explain like from Zach's perspective that he was right in telling you? Okay. At the beginning the episode, I did say that, like, I understand him, like, some people on Katie's side would want to know that it happened and some wouldn't. And that's from the Katie perspective. As far as

the correctness of him doing so, that is not correct. At least in that moment, you know, like, if they wanted, if she wanted to know once they were alone or whatever, then okay. But that's, like, for her to inquire about. Yeah. I think even though that also, yeah, yeah, such a weird situation. I think like kind of what you said, Ben, like, at the end when he chooses who he wants to be with, I think that could have been a moment where he was open and told her, like, you weren't the only person I've been intimate with here or, like, if she didn't want to know, she didn't

want to know. And I just think, I just, in the whole, I just, I can't stop feeling for Gabby. I just think I think he's just forgetting that like two people shared a very intimate night and that like I don't know like I just like I can feel that he just wanted to get it off his chest but I think he just forgot that there are two people that also like you know there's another person that went through that and like maybe maybe ask her like did thank you on everyone that goes back to our conversation before it's just like it's all about like his decision vision making. Yeah. He had to get it off his chest, a private thing. You know, we've, on this show,

we've had seasons that are very sex positive. We've had seasons, I can't remember a season that, you know, we have characters that are not very sex positive, you know, to their own, you know, default probably, because they don't exactly know what that means. It doesn't mean you have to go out and have a bunch of sex. It just means that, like, it's a topic, you know, that's powerful, worth discussing, and it's an individual dance between, you know, couples or people. in general. And so we've had these conversations kind of come in and out for years. And I can't necessarily describe this as being sex positive or not. But what I do know is that sex is a very powerful thing that is between two people and it is very intimate. And I do think, I do think there's

two points that I, one is more of like I'm confused by the second is I do think Zach messed up and did not allow Gabby to have a voice and how this was explained and how this was communicated and how this was done in front of national television and her friends and other people.

I think that was unfair to Gabby. And I would stand on that. To anybody that says, no, Zach was trying to do the right thing. Sure. I don't think he was like trying to do the wrong thing. I just think that he wasn't considering somebody else's feelings and emotions

in this. The second is, from Zach's perspective for a guy that didn't want to have sex at the beginning of this episode like don't talk about it like now we all know like just keep it quiet like

when I was on this show like I felt weird at times making out with somebody it's weird right these are these are typically very intimate quiet moments that are isolated from the public guess what my hands in the air

because I have something crucial to say go Sean Lowe never said that he was a born again virgin on the show and I know that I can't speak because I definitely was like hey guess what I'm a virgin version right

but like he was a board again virgin his plan in his head was to not have sex with any of those fantasy suite contestants and guess what it was never mentioned because he kept it private and that's what yeah

maybe Sean did Sean tell him that Sean where are you you got to give him every detail and look at how it worked out for Sean right he had a flawless experience all the way through.

And it wasn't until like after the fact, like six months later, you saw magazine cover as being lunch, Sean Lowe, Virgin, yeah, like waiting until their wedding night, you'd never heard of it until way after fact. I'm just shocked that at some point, Zach, maybe Zach's gotten so comfortable in front the cameras where he's like, yeah, I'm just going to talk about these things and I don't really care who watches or who has an opinion on it. It's weird to me. I mean, it's just different because I was like, I always.

felt very like more protective or like not ashamed I don't want like embarrassed to talk about it to have to like explain it or to even like be like physical with somebody in front of a camera knowing that my grandma was going to be watching beside me one day like that always felt weird to me i was thinking about gabby's family last night a lot just like her dad your sweet dad is literally having to hear we had sex which immediately puts in your head the image of your child having sex yeah it's like it's so much different you know it you know it could happen yeah you know you assume like they get married like cool yes yeah um but you don't want to picture it no and when you say it as a fact you picture it but if it's assumed you don't necessarily yeah it's kind of

like saying hey don't think about elephants all of a sudden we're all thinking about elephants so I do I think I would stand firm on this episode again it was an intriguing episode I felt like I was watching and wanting to know what happened around every turn and every people's emotions. And that's part of the show. But I feel for Gabby. I hope Gabby is getting the support that she deserves and needs right now. I think Zach messed up big time and did not at all take into account that there's two people involved here and that Gabby's, Gabby would ultimately be affected by this because Zach and whoever he ends up with at the end, which we're going to assume as Katie.

are going to run off into the sunset. He's going to get weird interviews. I know that where people are going to ask about this now, and that's very awkward. And she's going to be sitting beside him while it's happening. But Gabby's also going to be asked about it, and she's going to have to relive this, and she's going to have to live through this.

And that's not fair to her, and it didn't need to happen, at least in my opinion. And some people might disagree. I would love to hear your thoughts. I'd love to hear why you disagree. But it just didn't need to happen. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Oh, wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit.

Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor, and they're the same age. It's even more likely that they're cheating.

He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hi, my name is Enya Umanzor. And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom.

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We're going to start with Ashley. Bachelor in Paradise Canada revealed its season two cast. And so many of them are from Ontario. Actually, McKenna, this is one for you. This is McKenna's headline for sure. Go for it, McKenna. Yeah, I was watching, because I watched The Bachelor on City TV. So I got to see all them introducing it through the commercial breaks of every person that's on it.

Um, yeah, looks, it looks really, it looks good and exciting. Who's like a couple. Who's going to be there? Um, I know Chelsea's on it from Matt. Wait, Chelsea as in like the Chelsea from America? Yeah, she's on it. Okay. From Matt season.

Connor's on it. Connor Salie? No, Connor. The other Connor. Is his name Connor? Yeah, I think it's Connor. Um, who was the one on Katie season? That was with the cat?

Connor. Oh, Connor, the cat, Connor. He's on it. Yeah, from Nashville. There were some other people on it from, I think, just didn't, like, they kind of went home pretty early, so I don't really know exactly who they are, but there are a couple from, like, I think Katie's season, and I feel like I should, like, pull it up. Yeah, any throwbacks do we know? There wasn't a lot of, like, big names, like, from, like, older, like, it was more so, like, recent

okay um i swear i saw a preview with demi for some reason that was like i'm back well wait question do they have like a full-blown bachelor and bachelorette in canada right now because i know it's like on and off sometimes so like years ago they did um yeah i don't only do that well um but they're good um but they had a season last year and so what they do is they have some like bachelor nation fans they put in the mix And then they have some people from season one that was last year that were, I think, fans and then are now back. They were on the first season and they throw in some like alum that were on the American one. Okay.

So it's a hodgepodge. Yeah. It's kind of like a little mixture up in there. But yeah. It's a beautiful cast. I'm looking through it now. Yeah. This is, there's just a lot of jackdudes and a lot of beautiful women.

So I'm sure the beach is going to be incredible. And it's hosted by Charlene. Yeah, it's hosted by Charlene. And Kevin's the bartender, I believe. Yeah, that's really cool. I can't believe. Charlene, what a gig, man. I know.

She's looking great up there, too. She's doing awesome. Next headline isn't one that we necessarily need to break down, but it's something cool that was posted on Instagram. Claire Crawley shares matching tattoos with husband, Ryan Dawkins, mom plus dad. some and you two would know this especially you ashley some were going oh this is crazy let's celebrate that clear is pregnant but i don't think that's what this means no does she even say what she thinks it

means well i believe from my research that she is now a stepmom that Ryan had had a kid walking yeah is that what is referring to i know she's a stepmom i believe that's what she's referring what do what do the tattoo say mom plus dad mom and dad and then Ryan commented under Claire's post and said Claire is the best bonus mom ever so stepmom huh I think there's more to this there's more there's got to be more to this right yeah I don't think so I think I mean there's not more to the story right now but I feel like we will find out more soon yeah yeah within the next five years, I bet. I bet these tattoos continue. Becca Tilley reveals meaningful surprise from girlfriend Haley, grateful to experience a love like this.

Ashley, this is yours to break down. It was adorable. Okay, so Becca has, you know, been raised, very Christian. She went to church all the time. She went to a Christian school, Sunday school, all this stuff growing up. And then she said that ever since moving to L.A., she hasn't really found a church to like really call her own to feel very comfortable and and to go regularly and just feel part of the community. And she did mention to Haley this, you know, this issue that she wanted to find a place. And there was one church in particular that I think she was interested in trying out. And one Sunday morning, Haley said, I want to take you somewhere. Make sure you're free Sunday morning. So it's a surprise. She gets her in the car that you're driving and they pull

up to the parking lot of this church and they go in holding hands and she just said it was the sweetest thing she goes i thought that we were going somewhere special for breakfast and then we ended up at a church uh and haley isn't like particularly religious but she knew it meant a lot to becca and she just said it's one of the most special moments of her life and one in which she says that she's never felt so loved it's uh Becca is one of the if not the most incredible people I've ever met. I love Becca a lot. And you said it's not the most, which means that you're, you're putting her above your wife. No, she's not above my wife, but she's been incredible to my wife. You know, Jessica walked into the bachelor world and didn't, you know, Jessica's a very quiet,

like, introverted person. And Becca Tilley kind of like wrapped her around like Becca's arms and said, hey, like, I got you. And has been incredible from then on now. And so anytime I hear a story of Becca being loved on and happy makes me happy. Yeah, it's so, so sweet. Well, McKenna, thanks for joining us today. That's all we have. For having me. We have a finale episode next week.

Now, I'm actually going to be out. I'm going to be on the Venezuelan-Colombian border, which is reviewing some, like, health care systems that are happening for the refugee crisis. So I'm out. I'm gone. Ashley's going to take it over. Of all weeks. Yeah, I know. Of all weeks for you doing important global things, you know?

Yeah. Well, Ashley is going to have an amazing co-host. They're going to break down the finale episode. So my vote, if Katie is not the one chosen at the end, I will call in from Columbia and freak out because I don't know what's happening anymore. But McKenna, thanks for joining us. We will have a special episode with you catching up on your life, everything going on in your life.

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