The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Why Do I Run From Relationships?

Episode Date: September 12, 2026

After Jana Kramer’s eye-opening interview with Shanna Moakler, Kelly Bensimon and Joan Vassos are reflecting on what they took away from the conversation.  From how to introduce the man you’re dating to your kids, to their thoughts on co-parenting “nesting” - the women give their honest advice.  Plus, Kelly reflects on a recent relationship she broke off while going through a serious health scare.See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Today we're going to chat a little bit about the sit-down convo that Jaina had this week with Shana Mokler, and it was a good one. If you hasn't listened to that episode yet, pause right now, go listen to that episode and then come back right here. Well, let's get started. I'm so excited to see you. And I'm going to see you in New York City on October, I think it's the 6th for the Page Six reality awards.

Oh, great. I'm presenting the award to you guys. No. To the real, to the golden life. I love that. I'm excited. Yeah.

So we have to get together and you have to tell me what you're wearing because I have no idea what to wear to this thing. Oh my God. We will definitely have a debrief and you have to come over.

We have drinks and do all sorts of fun stuff. I would love to. I'm coming the day before. Oh my God. Okay. Okay. It's a date. It's a date.

Okay. Let's start talking. So the trailer just came out. today. Did you see it yet? I did. I'm obsessed. I watched it like four times. And I'm worried that that some of the girls may have been mean to you. I mean, I just think it's so funny. I'm like, excuse me? I'm going to have to come and beat them up. I'm kind of very polite, you know, but they don't, they don't like that. You are like the nicest. Okay, so you're the nicest person, but I also want to say you're like the nicest pretty person because a lot of times really beautiful

women aren't nice to other women. And you are always so incredibly kind. You're, you like break that mold and you give me faith in like women and that they can be nice to each other. And I worry about you when you're amongst other women that I don't think maybe are as nice as you are. Oh, Joe. You're so. Well, I mean, we're having a really good time. And I think you're going to be surprised by some of the things that happened and happens and happened. But you're, I mean, you're going to love it. Okay, just humor me for a second because I'm really obsessed with the show. Give me three words that you would use to describe the golden life. Spirited.

Okay. Adventurous. Yeah. Heartfelt. I'm intrigued. I was intrigued already. Okay. I was already going to watch it now.

I'm really going to watch. So adventurous. Adventurous is like probably the one that I like the most about that one. So I'm dying to see what kind of adventures they have. you guys on because I think maybe at this age in our lives. I know I'm a little older than you, but some of the people you're on the show with are my age, like we don't care as much about what people think about us. So maybe we're a little more adventurous than we were when we're younger. Which I love. Yeah. Perfect. Were you familiar with Shana Mochler or Travis Barker

before you heard this episode? So I remember them from like long ago. So I mean, she's been in the news a ton and so is he. She's had like a lot of really kind of. of big relationship. She's been with a lot of men that are well known. She's had babies with them. So I remember her, but she kind of faded from my radar a little bit. I don't think that there's been anything super recent. And now she's kind of back in the news a little bit. So it's fun. And you know what? I always loved her. Like she has quite a style and she's had quite a history. And she's been on TV and she's been, she's bottled. And she's kind of gotten around. So she's an interesting lady. I like to, I thought she's back in the news. How about you? Did you remember

her? So yeah, I remember her, but I also remember her from the show. And I was just reintroduced to her by Shana. And I just, we have so many questions. But my first thought out of the gate was just how knowledgeable she is about menopause. I know. I had no idea about this whole part of her life that she had this whole kind of interest in this medical background.

and supporting women and even supporting men in like a medical journey. And she seems so incredibly bright. And I love that when these beautiful women are also super smart and pour their heart into something like that can help us. I think so too. And just, you know, her sharing her stories and Jenna sharing the story, you know, that just the more information that we can get out there about, you know, the iterations of menopause.

I mean, my mother had a personal note. My mother had really, really bad menopause, and I was always so scared. And she, as a result from bad menopause, she had severe migraines. And so my upbringing. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. I had one yesterday. I'm sorry.

And I just remember a young girl, you know, in my, not young girl, but I was in my early teens. And my mother would be like really, really, really excited and really jacked up. And then nothing. You couldn't talk to her for days. or, yeah, well. She just couldn't go. And it was just terrible as a young girl because, you know, I'm like, mommy, like, what's wrong

with my mom? Yeah. And, you know, I had this perfect picture of her because she was, she was the perfect mom until her menopause and her migraines really took over and just were debilitating and just. I don't think people get, like, how these hormones surging. through our bodies and how much impact they have on us. So I had migraine starting when I went through puberty. I got my first migraine when I was 13 years old and I've had them ever since. And they certainly, whenever there is like a weird surge in hormones. So I have four kids when I was

pregnant with my second daughter or my second child, my first daughter, I had terrible migraines through that entire pregnancy and had to actually quit my work. I couldn't work. I got them every day. So like these hormones that that, you know, she, is really investigating and spending a lot of time, you know, finding remedies for, you know, we used to just have to power through them. Like your mom had to power through it. I remember coming down into the kitchen when I was maybe in middle school and my mom would have her head in the freezer. So, and I'm like, Mom, what are you doing? She's like, I'm having a hot flash and she'd have this. She'd be doing this with her bathrobe and she'd have her head in the

freezer or she'd be walking outside and bare feet in the middle of the winter trying to cool down. I don't think people understand how severe these hormone-related. Like all the things that, yeah, they're awful that cause migraines and the hot flashes are horrible. Sleeping is hard. I am so thrilled that there is a person that you can turn to and. Oh, hair loss. Like just that happened as well. Sorry, I don't have to do.

No, no, no, you were right. There are so many other things I wasn't even thinking about, but you're like the hair loss. Like, how hard is that for a woman? Your hair is part of your identity. Yeah. But, I mean, just the migraines. I'm so sorry that you go through that and that you went through that. remember as a young girl, like, just being like, what's wrong with my mom?

Yeah. And not understanding and not knowing. And, you know, even if she was like, oh, my period or whatever, that didn't resonate. I had no idea. I was like, oh, okay. We don't know. And terrible cramps and all that. Right.

Men have so much easier. They have no idea. The things that we have to deal with, like, once a month. I'm so happy. I'm done with the whole darn thing. So. I know. It's a lot easier.

I'll get them. But, you know, I just was like. I just was very, very, very impressed by her knowledge. Just to just to your point, that was crazy. I was like, whoa. I was like, okay, this is a podcast. Let's get started. Yeah, we dove right into that.

And I had no idea that she had this passion and, you know, was doing that. We should probably tell people the name of her website or the name of her organization. Oh, yeah. What's it called? Hello, Foxy. F-O-X-I, I believe. So it's with an eye at the end because I did look it up the wrong way. And it provides so many.

services and I mean really honestly really really good and like you know good for her she's branching out i love that i love that yeah that was interesting so what do you think about shana sharing that she and travis did a nesting situation after the divorce with their kids so so interesting i've heard of that have you heard of that arrangement before people doing that i have Midwest we don't have nesting you're divorce you leave and you can you move on you move on i've never known anybody who has done it but i have heard of it before and I thought, what a wonderful thing to do for your kids if you can do it? Because how hard would it be? First of all, kids are probably going through the worst thing in their lives. Their parents are separating. They never imagine this was going to happen. You

picture your life being perfect. You think you're always going to have both your parents and all of sudden they're not going to be together anymore. But they're allowing you to stay in your home with your kids, you know, your friends down the street, walking to your same bus stop, you know, in your same bad at night. I think that's such, you know, during that really hard year or two, if you can, you know, keep this going and allowing them, you know, the comforts of home, it's amazing. But can you imagine sharing a home with somebody that maybe you're not having an amical

divorce? I mean, this is a pod, but if you saw my eyes right now, you would be like, whoa. And I've had a lot of Botox, but I'm telling you, my eyes are popping. I can see expression, hardly any, but a little bit. I'm with you. You can't see it in mine either, but yeah, I'm appalled too. I was like, I mean, I agree with you. I think it's beautiful. I just don't understand. I mean, if you're going to get divorced, like there's so many other things that are associated, I just couldn't see the person. I mean, and I love my kids more than anything. And I would do it for them. I just wouldn't be able to like have someone that I needed to separate from like permanently. nesting in my house. I'd be like nest elsewhere. I do feel like it's a very unique situation, which is probably why we don't hear it very much. Shana clearly had a really amical divorce or

separation with her ex and was able to maintain like a, because I mean, you're not doing the kids any good if you're coming together and then fighting. So, but you got to imagine that maybe for some people has to do with money, that it's, too hard to maintain different residences, or maybe they have to separate and sell the main home so they can actually separate. So, you know, I think there's a lot of things that play into it. Money certainly is one of the things, but being, you know, having, you can't imagine you, you know, having that kind of situation with somebody that you are really actively still fighting with or arguing with or having, you know, problems with the separation or the divorce or the agreement

or, you know, how you're splitting the kids or the money or whatever. I could see any kind of turmoil will just be exasperated if you're coming into the house and they left the kitchen messy and didn't do the laundry. I mean, that's a trigger for me. Yeah, me too. So, Joan, so my husband, my ex-husband, um, is French and we just put up a wall between the two apartments because he traveled so much. The girls could see him when he came home, but, you know, he was not in the apartment. And it actually worked out really well for the kids because they didn't feel, you know, they were like, Daddy's home. They would go see him. have some blueberries and come home. That was, you had the perfect divorce situation. I think you may be

the only person in the entire world. No, I actually know one other person whose father bought the house next door to them. And so they used to go back and forth. But you have like the perfect divorce situation, but I can't imagine most people being able to afford that, have two houses next door to each other. Yeah, I just was, I, you know, he just traveled and I, I understood the assignment. I, you know, I knew that he needed to be in their lives. But I always, you know, I always, you know, also knew that I needed to have some privacy. Yeah. And control.

Yeah. I was going to say privacy, but. Yeah. Control. Even more. Yeah. All the above. And I got to imagine that you didn't have to like have a really strict agreement about custody because they kind of live with you,

it sounds like. And then visited him. Right. I just I just said to him, I said, just love the girls and everything's fine. That's it. Spend as much time as you can. Yes. And I, I, there was, there was no.

expectations so there was nothing to manage. Yeah, perfect. Does that make sense? Do you mean? I was like, I've got the girls, like my dad's like, okay, the girls are going on a ski trip? Let's go. Pack them up. So do they, are they still really close with their father? Yes, very. And does he still live in New York City or has he moved? He lives in New York and in Venice. But I think that reason that he is close to them and he's older is because there was, he didn't have any expectations. He didn't have, he just was like, you know, just go live your life and just you know, be a good, be a good parent when you can. Yeah, good. I mean, be a good father. Don't parent my kids. I'll parent my kids. Did I say that out loud? Nope, I didn't hear it. Oh, nope.

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You never seen Italy so quiet as Wonder Pope gets up to win. wink on Halloween. Listen to artists on artists on artists on artists on the IHard Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Okay, I have to ask you about, I loved the conversation that the two of them had about both Jana and Shana expressed regrets from their past relationships. And so Jana said, first of all, that even though she tried her hardest in her marriage, she wishes that she would have left sooner.

And Shana kind of said the same thing, that she wishes she hadn't accepted this abusive treatment that she had in a previous relationship, not in her marriage, but in a previous relationship. Do you have any regrets from a past relationship that you let it go on for way too long? Or do you think like every relationship we have is like part of the learning curve? And of course. I mean, I, you know, my ex-husband, we got divorced and then I met a guy that was younger than me, you know, 10 years younger. And there was just, you know, he was not the ideal human and, you know, which just was not exactly, you know, how I wanted it to be. And so we would break up and then we'd get back together and we'd break up. And, you know, at the time, too,

in my defense, I was working. I was, you know, the editor of three magazines, like I was writing books. You know, I had two young girls. And I just had so much on my plate that, you know, I kind of just let something, I kind of like let it go on and, you know, I'd kind of like let it go on and didn't take control of it. And that was my, that was my fault. And I should have been the bigger person and said, this is not working out. We're, you know, we're never doing this again. But because I was so busy, I just kind of let things slide that shouldn't have. And so I empathize with her a lot. I mean, with Shana a lot, because things just happen, you know, just, you know, just life just happens. I know that sounds so cliche, but it just does. And, you know, it's so easy to, for us,

to say now, wow, you know, we should have done this. We should have done that. But when you're in the middle of it, you're not thinking like that. You're like, oh my God, my kids, my life. You know, I wasn't thinking about like relationship. I was just thinking about my kids and making money and just making sure that they had everything. Yeah. So it's just, you know, we're at a different time now. You know what I mean? I do. I feel like it's so much easier. I feel like for me, I would stay in relationships longer than I should have because I thought, is this as good as it gets? Like, like, even if I'm not 100% happy, maybe if I'm 75% happy, I may never find this much happy again. So I should just stay in this because it's good enough. It's not bad. I'm like, I was never in an abusive relationship,

but it was also a relationship that maybe wasn't like so love-filled or so, like, exciting or, like, I knew that there were red flags, maybe the way we resolved conflict or, you know, whatever it was. I stayed in to, long because I just thought maybe this is all there is and I'm not going to find anything better. I mean, that's just so honest and I just, I really, really respect you being open about that. And I think that's something that's natural. And I think that's something that happens all the time. Yeah. I think that women just kind of feel like there are so many single women that, you know,

are trying to find love and, you know, myself included. And, you know, when I meet someone, I just think to myself, oh, my God, is he the, you know, Is he going to be the person? I'm literally like, is this the person? Is this the person? I know. Instead of just allowing the relationship to, you know, unfold. Unfold.

I mean, who knows? Maybe I should go on the Golden Bachelorette. You should. Boy, would they love to have you? I don't think. Honestly, Kelly, there is not a guy good enough out there for you that we're going to have on the show. They have a hard time finding men to be on the show, to be honest with you. And I, the older men, younger men.

They have a whole slew of them that want to be on the show because they see fame. Older men don't see fame. They see, oh, why am I going to do this to my life? Why am I going to embarrass myself? Why am I going to do this? Like, I can just sit at home and watch football with my buddies. And I don't think they care as much about finding, like, their chapter two as we do. Right.

I missed being a couple. I missed having my person. I missed having couple friends. And I don't think guys care as much. they're just as happy having their guy friends going playing golf and watching football on the weekends where we're looking for like we like our couple relationships we like going with other couples and I don't think guys care as much right you know it's interesting because my last boyfriend like we just he had this amazing friend group and so we would spend so much time together and like his the

the wives and the girlfriends we all became so close and had so much fun and you know as much as I, you know, kind of mourn that relationship. I really, really mourn the friendships. I was like, I was loving. I was like, oh my God, we're in my girls. I've had that before or you love their kids or you love some other part of their life. And I loved his kids. And I was, we were having the best time. Like literally, I was having so much fun. Okay. So I did listen to your podcast with Susan and Kathy, but I feel like maybe not everybody that's listening to this podcast, listen to that. So will you just tell the listeners a little bit about what happened there? Because I heard and it broke my heart, but I feel like you did the right thing. But can you like just maybe

give us a quick synopsis? I mean, it's terrible because I had a breast cancer scare. And, you know, in his defense, he didn't really, I was, I didn't articulate. I didn't say I'm having a breast cancer scare. Something's really wrong with me. I need to take care of it. I said, oh, you know, just a little something. Because I, I had only known him for a couple of months. And, you know, I just didn't feel like I could put that kind of responsibility on him. And then I knew I was going on the show. So I was like, first of all, I had this breast cancer scare and I was having, I was literally like, when you have a scare like that, Joan, you, you, the, the idea that I would not be able to be,

I'm not going to cry, like literally. Yeah. The idea that I was not going to be there for my kids after I've done everything for my kids, put every single scent that I've earned into their brain so they're going to be the most, It can be the most amazing children in the world. Now that I wasn't going to be there. I just was like, oh my God, oh my God. No.

Like it really, really, really hit me. Terrifying. And it's not his responsibility. It isn't. I just really rubbed me the wrong way. And then when I knew I was going on the show, I just was like, I can't go on a television show with someone that is not going to be a forever person. Yeah.

And that sign. And actually, that was the most mature thing that I've done in a really, long time. And it would have really changed your interactions with the women on the show because I think everybody else on that show is single, right? Right, except for Luan. It would have been, right? Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. So I think it would have changed your interaction. So, like, in the long run, for like the health of the show or for the health of you and you maintaining, you know, your normal persona, like I feel like you probably did the right thing. But I love that you just said it wasn't his responsibility. And I think as women, we don't want to be dependent. Like, we don't want to seem like

dependence. We want to seem really independent. and like I'm going to, I can take care of my own and I don't need you to help me. And but you were really vulnerable and we don't feel comfortable being vulnerable. That's right. Right. You know, again, like I know I always say this, but I am from the Midwest. And we're just like, we just are take care of thing kind of personalities. You too.

And in New York, it's like talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, talk, and me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, me, and it's just like, I'm just not raised like that. And so, and he's, and I'm not talking to saying that he is. But most of my friends were like, oh my God, you didn't go. And I was like, first of all, like, I don't even understand what you're saying. You're speaking so quickly. And I am like freaking out inside. So can you just turn down the volume on your concern?

And please, just let me try to get through this. There be a text, please. It's just a different way of, you know, honestly, it's just a different upbringing. And so, I mean, you know, I really, he's such a great guy. And he is, I mean, whoever gets to go out with him is like so lucky because he's such a stellar human. I really, really, really believe that. Do you think there's ever going to be a chapter two for you guys? You know, I don't, I don't know.

I mean, I really don't know. I need to get through the show and kind of just see where I am and when the show, after the show finishes. And, you know, I just, it's funny that you said that because like today I was on my run, I was like, you know, I just want to give myself some grace, Joan. You know, I've just been through so much. The show is really exciting, but it's also very, very difficult. And I just want to give myself a little grace. And I think when I'm in that mode, the person will be around for me at that time. Do you know what I mean?

I don't want to meet someone right now. Like, I'm like, I'm filming. The volume doesn't work, you know. I have to fight with some real housewives. I've got to write with some real. I have an argument to have on camera. So I've got to go. argument right now.

Dorinda hates me right now. And so, you know, I just want to just give myself some grace and we'll, you know, see what happens after the, after the show. So much about relationships or about finding the right person at the right time. I mean, I think we've all found the right person at the wrong time. And we've all found the wrong person at the right time. Like getting the timing perfectly with the right person is really, really hard. He was just like the right person at the wrong time.

Wrong time. Yeah, he just was the wrong time. So you never, you never, you never, you never, you never, you know, yeah, no, I'm just, I'm just trying to, like, stay, like, in my own, my personal, like, personal, personal, personal self bubble. I'm just trying to stay, like, true to myself and you never know. For sanity. Yeah. You know, you have to be seeing, well, I'm so glad that your breast cancer scare is over. Thank you. I, I wish you'd let me know. I would have flown there and, like, snuggle down with pink fuzzy slippers with you and gotten you through that. Well, I was in L.A. with you. I had to go on steroids because I was like such a mess to come to LA. And I wanted to go to L.A. I was like, I'm not going to, I'm not going to not live. Yeah. Wow. I would have you. I'm sorry, sweetie. No, no, no. I mean, it's one of those things too. You can't,

you know, what are you going to do? Be like, hey, Joan. I got, I'd have something like, well, I just, I had a thyroid cancer scared. So I was coming off. So I was going on to gold. I was going on to gold. I was going to be a golden and a bachelorette. And I had, um, like a physical. They make you to have a physical, which they should. So I had a physical and, um, had blood drawn and my thyroid hormone was really off, like really off. So my doctor said, well, we don't have time to like do scans and do all the tests that we need to do. You know, it'll be fine. Take care of it when you get back. So now I am worried the entire. So of course, I Google it immediately and it says if you're the, you know, numbers above like eight and mine was like 12.5.

and you likely have thyroid cancer. And I was like, oh, my God. So I was just like brewing in my head the entire time I'm filming Golden Bachelorette. I have this in my mind that I have thyroid cancer. And so I get home and I have to do press really soon after that. So there's only like a month turnaround between you finish filming and the show comes out. So and when the show comes out, the week the show comes out, you do all of your press in New York City. So I am, I go and get a sonogram of my thyroid.

and they do another blood test. And I'm waiting for the results. And I'm thinking, okay, well, so I got to figure out how I'm going to do this. I'm going to probably have to have surgery. And they have to remove my thyroid. And I've read all about it. And it's, you know, somewhat curable. And like, I could be okay.

But I'm just like going through this whole thing. And but I'm like, I don't want this to be my story. I don't want cancer to be my story coming off of the Golden Bachelor. That's all they'll talk about if that's what happened. So I'm going to keep it a secret. And I'm going to wear all high dresses. So I have this whole idea of how I'm going to get through like the next four months without Anybody knowing that I have thyroid cancer?

Well, it comes out that I just have nodules on my thyroid, and I just have to have them checked every year, and they're fine. And they could turn into something, but very likely won't. But it was like, I was scared for like three months. I was just, I was sick to my stomach. Every time I thought about it, I had like a panic attack. I mean, of course. But I love that you're so like organized, trying to figure out with the turtleneck.

I'm like, I want to wear high neck dresses, like sleeveless. They're going to be really pretty, but I'm going to have this big scar here. I'm at the hide. Right. Yeah. It was all about the dresses. I know. Oh, my God.

I mean, that's so stressful, too, when you're filming and you're, like, looking for love and trying to be vulnerable and be open. And just trying to keep pushing that back, pushing that back. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. I didn't tell a soul. I told no one. Oh, my God. So I have a really interesting question.

How have you gone about introducing men to your children while you were dating? Behind every night spent making the kids lunches, there's a lot of suspense. Will they finally eat the veggies? Will the pesto survive the first bite? Will the lunchbox come home empty, half full, or come home at all? And will you finish episode 8 before you're done slicing the cucumbers? Get Bell Pure Fiber Internet with craved Netflix and Disney Plus from $94 a month. Price guaranteed for two years on internet with a two-year term and auto pay credit.

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The Improvised Character Comedy Podcast, where each week a new panel of artists discuss their craft. Join us for a panel of wellness influencers. What I try to do is faux journal. I don't know. Have you guys heard of faux journaling? Yeah, it's reading. It's called reading. So we don't like to use that word anymore.

Okay. A panel of New Yorker cartoonists. Have you guys done Terry Gross's Peloton class? No! I've been dying. I'm so sorry. I'm seeing a reading of Sadako in the Thousand Paper Cranes by

Audra McDonald's at the Wonderland Bookstore on 14th. That's crazy. I went to the Wonderland bookstore yesterday and I heard Norah Jones do a reading of Zero Dark 30. No way. We'll have to come to the last bookstore though. Kim Cottrell is reading the guitar tabs of yesterday. A panel of Eurovision participants. And we do a little

Halloween sometimes. Does the Pope dress up? He winks on Halloween. It's right up next to the microphone. I hear you can almost hear the eyelashes hit each other. You never seen Italy so quiet as when the Pope gets up to wink on Halloween. Listen to artists on artists on artists on artists on the IHeard radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. So I think it's a little easier. I was married for 32 years.

I was at the John for 36 and my kids were grown. Right. John passed away. So my youngest was 25. My oldest was 31. So I have four kids. So between 25 and 31. So like introducing them, it wasn't like I was saying, like, here is potentially a new person in your life that you're going to live with or that's going to act like a father to you or going to be like some, like in some capacity, like affecting their lives that much they would all moved out of my home.

And they all had lives of their own. Some of one of my, two of my kids had kids of their own already. So really after John died, my kids were all, you know, kind of grown. And by the time Chalk came into their life, they were even out of my house. So I don't think it was super hard for me. And they wanted me to find somebody. They were really open to me find somebody. I would, I introduced them only to like two men.

And I'd be like, oh, like, Frank's going to come over and watch a game, like the football game with us. And, you know, so that was okay. It was more uncomfortable for me to introduce men to my mother. in-law. I'm still very, very close to my mother-in-law. I see her several times a week. She lives very close to me. She babysits one of my grandkids twice a week. I'm very, very, very close to my mother-in-law. And that was actually more uncomfortable for me to introduce her to somebody. And she was always, couldn't have been any nicer. Very welcoming, but that was hard for me. How about you? You know, so when I, when my kids were very, very young when I got divorced, they were five and seven.

And so, again, like my ex-husband lived next door with the wall between us. The Great Wall of China. The Great Wall of New York. And because, you know, I was working in magazines, and I didn't have to always be in the office. I just went to the office for certain things. But most of the things I was doing was writing and people would come and meet me. The photographers would come meet me. The styles would come meet me because I had young kids.

And so there was always people around. always and if I you know if there was someone that I was going on a date with then they would see them they'd be like hi you know whatever they wouldn't even flinch they never even they never were even like who are you dating who's that person like it could have been a work colleague they didn't know they didn't differentiate between the people coming in and right so that was easy okay with it was it was a lot easier for me and you know yeah I mean there was you know there weren't that many guys that I would bring into my family home clearly how about when they were teenagers I'm guessing at that point they may have noticed things a little different, like the way you acted to people in your home.

But still, they didn't. I never said anything. And there was just so many people all the time. I mean, I'm talking like a lot of people and a lot of gay men that were always around me. And so they just never, they just didn't, you know, unless there was like a special friend. I would say like, this is a special friend. That's my therapist told me to do. So, you know, that's what I would say?

And they'd be like, what is the special friend? And I was like, okay, whatever. We're not going to go to details. I'm like, whatever. Yeah. This means. Right. So, but I think it's, I think it's all, it's very subjective. You know, it's like, like you were saying, like, your kids were okay, but your mother-in-law, which I love so much that you guys are so close, that's so beautiful. But I think that, you know, if you're like, you know, if you're living in a house and you're living in, like, Illinois where I'm from and, you know, a guy comes over, it's obvious. When you're living in New York City and you work from home and all these people are coming into your house, it's not as obvious. So you and I got ahead it easy, really. we didn't have that that awkward this is you know a man that is special to me in my life now and right like you're going to have to like him or I hope you're going to like him and by the way I mean

this is an awful thing to say but even the guys that I did date like even if they were the best guys in the world I was so laser focused on making money for my kids that even if they were like unbelievably fantastic my focus was my making money for my children and they were second and they knew it well you know what I I'm not sure if that ever changes. It's hard for a man. It's hard. It's hard for a man to be.

I have to be completely honest about that. I'm not sure my focus. A man will ever come before my kids, no matter what. And my kids are grown. Like my oldest is 36 and my youngest is 30. And my kids will always be number one. Because you know what? You only get one mom.

I could probably have a million men or maybe not. Maybe I'll never have another man again, whatever. But my kids only ever have me. me as their mother and I will they that will always be my number one position in life is their mother. And I love that. And I think that's like a beautiful, beautiful, beautiful sentiment and I feel the same way. You think we will find men that will think that's okay, like accept that position. I think it has to be a very, very healthy man. Yep. Who has a lot of respect for, I mean, that's, that's why, you know, it's like, I have all these, you know, I have all these like parameters for these guys.

they have to be like a very healthy human, not like physically. I'm talking mentally healthy human. Yeah, right. Because I could not be with a man who doesn't have respect for his ex-wife. If you talk badly by your ex-wife or are disrespectful to them in any way possible, like that's just not my vibe. Like I know if people think it's fun, it's not my thing. It's like you have to figure it out. And if you can't figure it out, you know, then that's something that you need to, you know.

You may need a therapist before you. we get to get back together. I feel like it's a whole, well, I feel like it's a whole element about being a gentleman. Like my, I was raised,

my father was the ultimate gentleman. He never, he never cussed, he never spoke poorly about really anybody. He just was a kind human. He immigrated here from Holland. He was just a gentleman.

And I, like my, so my bar is very high for men. When it comes, we're talking ill about people, like talking about, wives or talking about previous relationships. I just don't feel like a gentleman does that. And so, like, that's a, that's a problem for me. It's a red flag for me. Right. Just not talk about his wife poorly.

I know instances. I know why they're divorced, but I know very few stories. I know very little. He says, you know, she's the mother of my kids and they have a healthy relationship. And, you know, he's really good about not talking about his ex-wife. I love that. Yeah. I love that. Because that makes you, you know, I think that I think the bottom line to that is that like what makes a woman feel safe. And when you're constantly talking ill about your ex, it doesn't make you feel safe. It really doesn't because if he talks poorly about an ex, then he'll talk poorly about you to the next woman. If there's an ex-woman. Yeah.

Exactly. Are there instances you wish you could have done different when it came to dating as a single parent? do you wish you'd spend more time you'd give him more to a guy or given less to a guy and or skip the whole thing you know and like i just you know i just kind of said i nodded to that about you know i just was working so much and you know i you can't i mean i i was working my impetus was pure yeah like i was working because i was educating brains i was not working because i wanted a new chanel bag no now i not I want not now I want you shonella. I'm just kidding. No, but I'm just being facetious. But I mean, but back then, like I wasn't working because I was feeling gorgeous and I was like, wow,

I'm going to work. I'm going to be this worker. Like I was working because I was making money and I had a motive and I knew what the end game was and I knew how much money I needed to make every single semester and I made it happen. Do you think that you maybe wasted some of your really good, years. So like this age, it's very hard to find a single man that we want. Do you, but back then, like when we were younger and I was still married. So when you were younger, do you think that you wasted some years where there were maybe way more eligible men? Yes. I mean, I really wanted to have more kids. Like, I mean, I thought I would have had like four or five kids. Like I always wanted kids. See, my ex-husband was older. And I, you know, he just, you know, he just, you know, he

loves my girls, but he didn't want to have all these, he didn't want to have a lot of kids. Yeah. And I really, really wanted that. I think that when I was single, I, you know, was a big model. I was an editor. So I was like the bright and shiny toy for the single guys in New York. And instead of seeing me as a someone that they wanted to make sure that I was safe, they wanted to take me out to dinner.

And they were like, oh my God, look what I'm going out with. I was like, cool. He's like you. I'm like, wow. great for you. I bet they did love being with you. And, you know, that was nice for them, but I always, I honestly would leave dates and I just felt like very, like, disappointed is not the right word. I just was just like, why did I waste my time? I could have been at home, like, you know, drinking tea, reading books, hanging out with my kids, watching stupid movies. Yeah.

You know, screaming at them about homework. I could have been doing the things that I love to do. Yeah, because you were working all day. So you were, you were probably tired by the end of the day. and then to make an effort to go with a guy and it not be great was probably like, why did I waste my time? Right. Yeah, I could have used to think to myself,

why did I just waste my time? Yeah. So I love Sheena's story when she talked about reconnecting with the guy. I'm trying to remember his name that she had been in love with before and the kind of reconnect with him

throughout her dating career. Greg. Yes, Greg. Thank you, thank you. And they finally, it sounds like maybe reconnected at the right person at the right time. Would you ever go back and visit maybe an old, old love? I know we talked about your most recent old love and maybe there's potential, but is there somebody lurking in the back of your brain that you dated or you would have

liked to have dated that is still lurking there and you'd like to maybe reconnect with? I mean, there was one guy that I really, really liked that my kids really liked, but he had just gotten out of a marriage and he wasn't ready. And he was, he had a, you know, didn't, his marriage didn't fare well for him, but he was a great, great guy. And I really, really liked him. But again, I'm also kind of, you know, it's like, I know if they're not, if they're just having a good time. And I'm just like, no, no, no, no, this is not the vibe. No, no, no. Have you ever thought about, like, trying to find him? Or do you still know where he's? I mean, I know where he is. Like, he'll DM me all the time. He's like, Kik's. My nickname is Kiki.

So he's like, oh, my God, stop. Okay. So do you think he's a playboy? I mean, I don't have he's a playboy. I just think that he went through a lot. And I think that it's a testament to him to like where he is in his life because he's still not married. And he still never had kids. And he loved kids. And he's a very bright guy, very successful guy.

And never had kids. It sounds like that, well, for a guy, that ship hasn't sailed. They can have them when they're much older. But I wanted more kids. Yeah. And so you guys would have been perfect together. Right. Exactly.

Yeah. Okay. And I mean, the story with the, when she, when Shana talks about meeting Greg and just is like, I mean, she's her voice, the tone in her voice, I was like, oh my. He's done. She found him. She's like, there you are. Done. Yeah. You're like, you're the, she said, she literally pointed and said, you're the one I want to spend the rest of my life with. But, you know, she kept, he kept playing in her story. He never left her book. He had chapters throughout her whole story. And she, it just finally. hit the right person at the right time. And that's, like, that is key. Behind every night spent making the kids' lunches, there's a lot of suspense. Will they finally eat the veggies? Will the Pesto survive the first bite? Will the lunchbox come home empty, half full, or come home at all? And will you finish episode eight before you're done slicing the cucumbers? Get Bell Pure Fiber Internet with Craved Netflix and Disney Plus from $94 a month. Price guaranteed for two years on internet with a two-year term and auto pay credit. Visit bell.com.com.com. And to check availability, Bell, connection is everything.

When I was 14 years old, I was kidnapped and held captive for nine months. I survived, and I've spent my life exploring how other people survive what should have destroyed them. I'm Elizabeth Smart, and these are the Survivor Files. I just remember this low, taunting voice next to my ear saying, shut up, don't say anything. Every week, I'm with survivors who live. live through the unthinkable. I knew if he woke up, without a doubt, he was going to hurt me. I started feeling that there was someone at the end of my bed, and I just started screaming.

They are abducted, stalked, controlled, and nearly silenced. But these aren't stories about what's taken from them. There's stories about what it takes to make it out alive. Listen to the Survivor Files with Elizabeth Smart on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. If your bookshelf and your for you page are equally important to your personality, welcome home. This is Prose Society, the weekly podcast that's part book club, part group chat for thought daughters,

pop culture obsessives, and anyone who thinks Pride and Prejudice and Love Island deserve the same level of discourse. I'm Eli Rallo and every week we're connecting the dots between books, the internet, and the conversations everyone can't stop having. I'm going to have to look up this story. I'm obsessed. From bestselling authors and your favorite book talk creators to the latest pop culture moments,

nothing is off the table. It's like if you can hide some real messages inside compelling characters, then that is a Trojan horse. Whether you're looking for literary deep dives, smart pop culture conversations, or a community of readers who love to think a little too much, you're in the right place.

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The Improvised Character Comedy Podcasts where each week a new panel of artists discuss their craft. Join us for a panel of wellness influencers. What I try to do is faux journal. I don't know. Have you guys heard of faux journaling? Yeah, it's reading. It's called reading.

So you're, so we don't. like to use that word anymore. Okay. A panel of New Yorker cartoonists. Have you guys done Terry Gross's Peloton class? No! I've been dying too. I'm so sorry. I'm seeing a reading of Sadako and the thousand paper cranes by Audra McDonald's at the Wonderland Bookstore on 14. That's crazy. I went to the Wonderland bookstore yesterday and I heard Nora Jones do a reading of Zero Dark 30. No way. You have to come to the last bookstore though. Kim Cottrell is reading the guitar tabs of yesterday. a panel of Eurovision participants. And we do a little Halloween sometimes.

Does the Pope dress up? He winks on Halloween. He gets right up next to the microphone. I hear you can almost hear the eyelashes hit each other. You never seen Italy so quiet as when the Pope gets up to wink on Halloween. Listen to artists on artists on artists on artists on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. And then when she said, oh my God, I would marry him. I'm dying to marry him.

I know. She said I'm dying to marry him. I love that. I love that. I'm like, well, do it, what are you waiting for? I don't know how much I like him. And she's like, I just want to marry him. I just thought it was just.

I feel like we're going to hear an engagement rumor soon. I just thought that was so honest. I really liked her honesty. I really liked her. I was just like, oh my God. And I didn't expect to at all. Me neither. I loved her.

I know. I know. I know. I was very surprised. I was like, in a first I was like, well, because Jane is so sweet and soft and just very thoughtful. So I was like, maybe it's just because Jana, you know, Jana is so sweet like that

that she's bringing this out in her. And I was like, no, no, no. This woman is like, she knows what's going on. She's very clued into her life and how she's navigated her world. I have said some stuff in the past. I have to admit that I would, that, of how like, you know,

she is with Travis's new wife and their kids. So I have said something. Okay. But I take it all. because I just was so moved by her today. I just, I did. I just thought she was,

she's a really, really beautiful human. I loved how she owned all of her mistakes in, in the past and, and like kind of shown how she's grown. And I think she's like, like, and it sounds like she's super close to her kids.

And like now she found another love. I just feel like maybe she finally found the right one. And sometimes it takes people five tries or however many tries. And then they find it. She might be on. When she was talking. about her daughter and how she has to go back and forth from L.A. to Texas because of the emergency, because she goes to the emergency room. That's concerned. I mean, that literally broke my heart.

Yeah, I listened to that. She spoke about it very matter-of-factly, and I'm sure it's way more emotional than she let on because when your child is suffering, particularly mentally, honestly, I almost feel like that's even harder. I've had kids that have suffered, and, you know, especially after my husband died, like, we all suffered. It was all really, really, really hard. hard and, you know, like, it's hard to, like, so if they have a broken arm or if they have a concussion or if they have something wrong with their eyes, you go and you seek medical attention and they fix it. Mental illness is so much harder and it sounds like, yeah, her daughter is really, really, like she's 21 years old. Sounds like it's just super hard to deal with that. And it

sounds like she's probably in college. Like, all of that is hard. I don't know. Yeah. Yeah, that would scare me. Yeah, I totally agree. And I, that's exactly what I thought. I was just like, that's something that you can't, like, you can't put a Band-Aid on. No. Do you know what I mean? Like, you can't come and say, like, we're going to go to the doctor. We're going to get that taken care of. Yeah.

This is long term. Mm-hmm. It takes a while to heal, like, from mental illness, from things like that. Yeah. And 21 is a really vulnerable age and hard just to be a 21-year-old girl anyway with all the social, you know, pressures that we have. I mean, I remember being 21. I mean, it was like maybe some of the best times in my life. and probably some of the hardest.

But also she has on top of all of that, she has famous parents. Yeah. Very famous parents. Yeah. And you wonder how that all plays out that are in the news and have had some, you know, have had a past.

And so that, you know, their past follows you also. People know about you. And you know, they even had to talk about. She mentioned that she connected with Travis and said, do our kids have security in New York?

Like, oh, kids are in New York. Do they have security? I'm like, wow, your kids have to have security? That's kind of scary. I thought so too. I was like security? Huh?

I was, I honestly, I was like, wait a minute, security. I was like security. Oh, they're Kardashians. Right. But her kids with Travis are not Kardashians. And she was talking about her kids having security. Oh, but her kids, they travel with them. Travel with them also.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay, that makes sense. So when they're together in New York or wherever around. Courtney. Cardassians. Yeah. And they have that with that.

Okay. That makes more sense. I was like, wow. I mean, he was famous. I mean, obviously, but like... Really famous. But like, I mean, yeah. But I mean, I wouldn't think that he would need security.

I wouldn't either. I wouldn't think most people that pass him on the street aren't going to know who he is. I agree. I was like, wait, what? Yeah. I was like, what is you talking about? I didn't understand that. Yeah.

So our kids do deal with that too. So, like, they are really in the limelight with the Kardashians. Yes. I mean, that is a terrible. terrible, terrible life. They didn't ask for that. 10%. Yeah, especially since they got thrust

into this as kind of like adults. But remember, like, you know, Kim, she was held at gunpoint. I know. When she was in Paris, when she was robbed. Remember? Yes. Scary. You know, I totally get how the Kardashians need security.

I didn't realize, now I get the whole security comment. Musicians, children. Totally get that. Yeah, I would be scared for my kids. And that must be like hard on her knowing that her kids are in that kind of situation. Like she had to ask, do they have security in New York? Like, do you have to worry about your kids at that level?

Right. Security. Yeah. That's scary. It's really scary. Yeah, that they were dragged into that now life also. It's like almost being a royal. Right.

It is. It's exactly. Yes. Like, you have to worry about kidnapping and crap like that. That's a whole, that's a whole other story. That's a whole other story that we should probably do a podcast on. Oh, this is good. I think you have comments about this. It sounded like Shana and Travis's wife, Courtney,

Kardashian, are not very close. Kelly, how have you handled that dynamic when your ex-husband has had a new woman in his life? Was it difficult for you? Okay. You're never going to believe it. Sorry. Before we got divorced or separated, I introduced Jill to one of my friends, who's a beautiful, beautiful human. And I was just like, here you go. I was like, I knew that was to you. So I introduced them and she is unbelievable and they were together for a very long time. I love that. Did you ever ask him to return the favor? No. No. You didn't think you could do it. I just, I couldn't, you know, he's been, you know, he's dated a million and married, a million, a million models and I just couldn't have that around my kids.

So you did it for your kids. You wanted him to have the right person. I did. And you did a great job. I can't tell you her name, but she is a fantastic, fantastic human. I love that. So they're not together anymore, but they did spend a lot of time together. Yeah, like, I mean, they were together for over seven years. I mean, a long time. So it was a really nice relationship. I'm very proud of that, actually, Joe.

You did a good job, and I'm proud that you did that. Like, that took a lot of kind of self-confidence because, like, handing off the person that, like, you once loved is even probably hard, even if you don't love them. anymore. Like, they're still part of you and part of your story and to give them another story, like start the next chapter, help them start. It was really great of you. I just was like, my father was just like, we need to tie bow on this. We're done. Yeah. So let me ask you, is he married now or does he have a new relationship? He does. He has a great relationship and she's really, really smart and been very, very, very, very kind to my ex and he's very happy.

and she's very, very gracious to my kids, and that means so much. Have your kids liked all of his relationships since your divorce? You know, I have to say, like, you know, he went back to a couple of younger models, which is, you know, it's fine. That's like, you know, that's his vibe, which is fine. But then he also dated one of, and one of his girlfriends is my client, and I love her. And she's a fantastic Venezuelan, brilliant, brilliant woman. and then his current girlfriend is just a very, very smart English woman and she's lovely.

So, you know what I mean? Like, I just feel like, okay. Yeah. And the girls are great. I mean, by the way, even if they weren't, my girls would be like, nice to see you. Because you raise nice girls. Because I'm like, you don't say anything bad about anyone. Like, even in Jess.

Like, it's like, it's just a disservice to you. Well, you've sent a great example that you don't need to put other people down to make yourself feel good. That's not right. No. And you do a good example for your daughters. Can you tell my co-stars that? I really feel like I need to come on and have a talk with them. I don't think they know how nice you are.

I don't know how they could have missed that. I'll do guest of show, and I'm just here to tell you all people. I like to make an announcement. Public announcement. You obviously don't know the Kelly I know. Give her a chance. Yeah. Well, I mean, they're going to make TV.

I 100%. No, it's all good. That's where you guys are getting that award. Getting the award! It's be so fun. But you know, it's like, I mean, I, you know, I appreciate you complimenting me on that. And that, you know, it took a lot. It took a lot out of me.

Do you know what I mean? And like I just was, but I knew what I had to do. I knew that I had to not be with him anymore. I knew I had to start my own life. I knew I had to really, really be laser-focused. was on work and I knew I had to go for it because I was 36 years old and it was like the window was if I was going to meet someone it was then and because I had to work so much you just put that on the back burner I didn't see people don't I didn't even like I didn't I would be like and I mean

you can ask any guy that if I gave you their number and you're like so what did you think of Kelly they'd be like oh she was so great she just was having a good time like yeah they would never say she was serious. They would never say, oh, she wanted to get married or they would never say, like, you know, she wanted to have more kids. I just, I just didn't give off that energy. And, you know, guys really pick up on that. I mean, and I don't think that you could have, I don't think there's enough room in your life. When you talk about how much you were working and how much time you wanted to spend with your kids, there just wasn't enough time for a man. I mean, like, where would he fit into that? Right. You wouldn't have. Right. And you did it your way. And I think a lot of women do

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