The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Women Tell All with Kirpa, Jane, Heather, Bri, Tracy & Nick Viall

Episode Date: March 6, 2019

We’re live after Women Tell All, and we have Colton’s girls with us to spill all the tea. Kirpa has a MAJOR bomb to drop about one of the girls sliding into the DMs of a popular member of Bachelor Nation… while she was still on the show.   And we reveal who he is.Tracy stops by to give her side of the tweet controversy that went down before this season started filming and we find out if her feud with Demi will continue into Paradise.Plus, Ben gives Heather an honest critique of her first kiss on television, and we ask all the girls who they think the next Bachelorette should be. Then we get a true expert opinion from Nick Viall, after we hear about his “secret talent”.  Learn more about your ad-choices at https://www.iheartpodcastnetwork.comSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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will maybe be the same way. Welcome back with a special episode After Woman Tell All. We have an episode that we're bringing Bringing on some of this season's favorite contestants and our first guest is definitely one of this season's favorite contestants. We have Kirpah in studio or in the shop right now. Hi, guys. You guys, we may have a better tell all than the actual women tell all based on this gossip that Kirpah is about to give y'all.

holy moly go for it so you'll yeah you saw it on the women tell all I mentioned that Kaylin slid into a cast member's DMs before she was on the show so that was Dean she slid in the Dean's DMs

do you here's a question do we have a problem with that I don't have a problem honestly I think what turned me off was how far along we were in the process and that's when she was bringing it up She brought it up there.

Yeah. That's how we all knew. Wait, slow down. Okay. So remember, this is just people listening. Okay, they only have one way to pick up on this stuff. So you're telling me in the house or in the mansion or wherever a beautiful location. No, we were traveling.

Yes. It was far along in the process. Was all this said on a mode of transportation? No, this was, we were in a hotel eating or something. Oh, this was caught on camera? No, off eating. Always. She knows when to talk.

always when there's no mic on her. And she says, team, at one point, I slid into somebody's DM from the. How did this conversation get brought? Honestly, I don't even know how it started, but we were, yeah, I don't know. She just brought up that she had tried DMing him and I think they were supposed to meet and he never, like, well, no, he doesn't follow through with any plans. I'm planning something with him on Friday and it's like a big to do. it's actually

Jade and Tanner's gender reveal and like every day I'm like are you going to back out are you going to back out Dean I think this is wild news only for one reason I wonder how often this happens

right I mean Kirpa you're beautiful the show loves you like you're coming off of this on a higher you're going to get so many DMs you're never going to know you're never going to be able to keep up with it and so the fact that one

Dean saw the DM is impressive second that she sent the DM you know what she was interested Dean's a good looking guy women like him like not that big deal but the fact that she brings it up half we do this season she's still thinking about it yeah that's why

like it was such a big deal and Katie brought it up I brought it up like to Colton and that's what turned me off it's not the fact that she slid into the DMs and like I'm sure other people have done that too but it's like talking about it that far along when we're supposed to be like in this for Colton dating Colton

And it's like, why are we bringing that up? Yeah. Did she slide into his DMs during casting or before she was even in the casting process? I think that makes a difference. She's just a fan girl. I can't say that I wouldn't slide into DMs. That I don't know. But I think it was probably just a few months before.

Okay. I worry about this now, though. I guess I don't now. But when I was single. Yeah. And we were in Vegas when I was single. and I was like, I really want to meet a girl. How do I do it?

And I was like, I'm not against a girl from the franchise. But also, like, how, I didn't know how to approach anybody. And it was actually Nick, who's here tonight as well. And he goes, just slide in their DMs. Like, send him a message, shoot your shot. This is where shooting your shot backfires fast. You can't just throw this, you can't throw the messages around. Because what if I were to reach out to somebody when I was single?

Oh, he DM me too, not a big deal. I send you a DM, right? I'm single, I'm like, Kerpa, like, what do you? out to let's hang out and you say yeah we hang out a couple times and then what happens if paradise comes along you go on paradise and i'm freaked out and i go oh but kirp and i talked a couple times it's going to bring off this idea that you're just chasing after bachelor nation yeah that's true it doesn't work out well right no we got to be careful out there be careful the dms yeah this is a PSA announcement it's like putting me into a deep cycle of thought here yeah what is wrong and what is

not wrong when it comes to the bachelor well let's get back to the women's tell all because i thought this was one of the most unorganized, but also one of the most entertaining tell-alls that I've ever watched my own eyes. So just to kind of catch up a little bit, last week we watched Colton Jump a Fence, one of the wildest things in Bachelor history. Kirpah, I want to get your opinion on that in a second. But the women tell all then happens, and right away the women are after each other. And I was on a show yesterday with a few people. And this is a statement that's made and I want to hear if you both agree. Let's not take anything away from Colton in this statement, but they're saying that the women this season definitely made the season. And I wonder if after

this tell all, if that was proven true or not based on how it happened. You guys ran wild. Not it was a shit show, but it was crazy. Oh yeah. It was really crazy in the press room to listen to you, like to everybody. I was like, I can't hear a thing. And Chris stopped it a couple times saying like, you girls, you're not going to be heard if you just keep talking over each other. And it got to the point where even after he said that, it just kept going. Yeah, exactly. So there were some arguments that really never wrapped up watching it back. You're like, okay, well, I guess we're just going to drop it because they're never going to come to a conclusion.

Right. I think the big ones for the night was Onyika versus Nicole. Yep. And what was weird about Anyika versus Nicole, was that Nicole got a hot seat. And Nicole was only really a part of one episode. I agree. It is odd how the hot seats happened. this year.

Kirpah, what is your take? Why are the women so fiery with each other right now? Like, what's being held in? I really don't. I wasn't expecting it to get that heated. Was it like that when you had to know? No.

But, okay, my theory is back when I had a women tell off, it was going into the second season of Paradise. Paradise was something that, like, you wanted to be asked to do, but it wasn't like a game changer. It, like, not change your life. Because the first season was a hit enough for them to do it. again but like nobody became a star from it um so i think that now so many girls look at women

tell all as their audition for paradise so they want to get a word in so many random girls like who left night one like that one girl served with a j she was different here jane's here you can ask her she was defending kaelin i know i turned around and i was like excuse me No, no, Caitlin. What? Sorry. We'll ask Jane that same question on what was the passion behind it. Kirpah, what are your thoughts now after you've gone from the episodes,

watching this whole thing play out? What's going through your mind? And who are you feeling the most emotion for during the last few episodes? Well, after watching Colton jump the fence, I'm feeling for him because he's clearly going through a lot. And I tried to warn him. Jared went back and watched your episode today. Because he was like, I'm going to prove, like, I'm going to go back and watch the fact that like Kerpa and Tasia and totally warned him against what is happening to him in this moment.

Yeah, we tried. Based on what, though? I mean, that's the thing is during the episodes, we never got the, you just warned him, which is the right thing to do or the wrong thing. We don't know. But why did you feel like it was so clear that whoever. was still there, weren't there for the right reasons? It was just after Katie had told us that she had heard those things in Singapore about Cassie and Kaylin talking about Bachelorette and like the DM thing and endorsement deals

after and later, all that kind of stuff. So when Colton came to me, Or Tasia, and asked like, hey, what do you guys think about this? I had no problem like saying, you know what, if I were you, like, I know I, you know your relationships better than I do but if I were in your shoes maybe just inspect these relationships a little bit harder like ask some deeper questions of Cassie and Kaylin just in case so at that point you seem kind of like can I be honest I seem like you're like lukewarm about your relationship with Colton I I move really slowly and I it's hard for me to jump all in so I was really trying to like feel him out

because I mean at the end of this it's an engagement and I've been engaged and I don't want to have to like to do that again have it end horribly. So I was really trying to feel him out. So I know it came off like I didn't care, but I was just trying to like get more out of him and see if there was that connection. Well, I felt you in that moment. I was like, this girl is speaking the truth. And he's just deciding not to see it. This is one of my favorite episodes of the almost famous podcast because it is our own little tell-all. We don't have like an episode to break down. No, that's why it's so fun. It's just so fun because we get you in here and we go, Kurt, but what really happened? And you're telling So there's two questions.

We're going to ask every single person from your season that sits down here. Okay. One is do you wish it would have worked with you and Colton? I don't think we were right for each other. Okay. Yeah. I think he's a great guy. He has like things that I'm looking for in a partner, but I don't think we were the right

match. And question number two, can I guess what you're going to say? Can I guess what you're going to say? Yeah, you're going to say, who do you want to see him with, if anyone? No, but we'll add that. Oh. Yeah. Outside of yourself, who do you want to see him with?

with any if anyone i love tasha i i think she would be a good fit for colton tasha for colton is what curba says and my final question outside of yourself who should be the next bachelorette i love hannah gna g for next bachelor's oh yeah can we talk about hannah b for a second yes i have like a massive girl crush on her oh she's awesome in the way that i get giddy watching her like i get smiley watching her see this is where maybe you guys can help me with this yeah people get that way with her. I didn't feel that with her. But people get really excited about Hannah B. Oh my god. I love her so much like you guys. I'm not sure whether I want to be her or be friends with her. What is it about her that you

guys like so much? She's just no bullshit like she'll say whatever she wants. Yeah. And quirky, I love her. She just like reminds me of a better version of me. She's like more fun than me. Nobody can be a better version of me. She's like spunkier than me. No, Ashley, you're the best version of you can never be. I don't know. I just like, I love watching her because I relate to her, but I don't feel awkward watching her. Like I feel awkward watching myself. There's a reason for that. I hate listening my voicemail. So Curpa, um, you are definitely one of our favorites. Thanks. I hope to see you in paradise. We'll see. We'll see. We'll see. Oh, come on. Do it. Yeah, you've got to do. Look what happens for these two. They're writing books together now. And speaking of that, Lucy and Clark by

Ashley Ikenetti and Jared Havon is out in bookstores now. Make sure you go do Lucy and Clark. Book.com and order it today. It's a good book. I've read it. Kirpah, thanks for coming on. Thanks for having me, guys. This is going to be a great ride for you.

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And just to let you know, Tracy, my home has not been safe recently, but we are watching it now. If anybody wants to come back, I mean, we are set up like every secure home should with ADT, protection. Somebody is watching that thing, 24-7, if I'm there or not, it's going to be awesome. So, Tracy, we've got to dig into this. Yeah, let's dive right in. We knew about you before the season even started. We did. What do you mean? So there was tweets that came out and we have to talk about because we haven't got to hear your side of this story. Okay? And I'm just going to leave it up to you to explain all that because before this season even happens, this is one of the unfortunate things about the show is you're filming, you can't protect

yourself. You can't explain yourself. And so these things just keep spurling around in the media and we don't get to hear from you. So what was going on? And I think I want to ask you, did your mind change from those tweets at the time you went on the show? I came out already and publicly apologized for it. It was an extremely long time ago. It was embarrassing. I said some things that I definitely shouldn't have said. I wasn't thinking when I said them. It's unfortunate that I ever would have written that stuff and it came out and people saw it, but all I can do is kind of own it and apologize. I think it's the best thing to do because the funny part, not the funny part, because I know it was very personal to you, but a lot of people

from the show have had things they've said in the past that have came out why they're on the show or, you know, when they're younger and they've had different, you know, viewpoints. But the fact is five years ago, six years ago I wasn't a believer in the show I wouldn't have, if I was a fan of The Bachelor I would have gone, this is funny, I like watching it, but I'll never go on it. Then I go on it and I go oh no, this is this actually

is something that could work and this is actually affects real lives and so your worldview or your opinions change which I think is completely fair. Yes. I mean everyone I'm sure has said things that they didn't mean and

unfortunately I had to have it publicly come out and have people see that about me and that's not who I am. So again, all I could do is apologize and hope that people see me for the new, better person that I am today. I hope so

every day we can do that. When the Jonas Brothers reunited this week, my friend was reading me tweets from 2008. This is going to prove your point, Tracy. This is actually going to be amazing. Ashley has been a fan of the Jonas Brothers for you. and now they actually know who Ashley is.

Oh, they've known how I've went for a bit. Oh. What? Oh, please explain. They've known who I've been for a bit. Oh, okay. Oh, okay. Well, okay.

Sorry, Ashley. See, I'm like, I'm just like a nut. Anyway. She's not very defensive. No, the Jonas brothers have known who I am. A long time. Okay. This is something that I said.

It goes, I'm like a really good fan, pretty much a professional, loyal and supportive, also good qualities for a musician's girlfriend. Yes? And then I also said,

hey, hey, you, you, I don't like your girlfriend. I think you need a new one. The official song of the summer of 2008 and 2009 because Joe is dating Taylor Swift and Camila Bell. There we go.

We all say embarrassing. So what do we take away from this? Don't tweet. Don't tweet. And two, the Jonas brothers have known Ashley for a long time. Hey, Tracy, thanks for joining us. Thanks for answer those questions. I know it's not fun to talk about.

But here's the deal. We don't know you any differently than what we've known from the show and you sitting here today. And we're just thankful that you're here talking to us. Thank you for having me. There's so much I want to break down with you. And there's so much Ashley wants to break down with you. But we've got to start. You're involved in a little drama this season.

I was involved in a little bit. How did you get into that? I believe it started with the fact that I'm this ancient old woman in the house. And you take one of the much younger girls. And she was just poking at me and poking at me. And I think I broke a lot quicker than I'd expected. One of your other cougar pals wasn't at women tell all. She was not.

Elise. Why not? Unfortunately, she was in a wedding in Mexico, and she could not be there. No way. I bet she was sad about that. That would be hurt. I was very sad. I'm a little sensitive right now.

Tracy, I feel you, right? Ashley, I want to know if we haven't talked about this yet ever in our friendship. I'm turning 30th into this month. Yeah. And I'm excited about it. I'm good. You should be. I was really excited to turn 30.

Yeah. I feel good about it. Like, you know, there's some craziness to it, like, where I don't feel like a kid anymore. I don't feel like I can just mess around anymore. I feel like there's some responsibilities that I need. to continue to consider. But it's a life step. And I feel like my 20s were good to me and I'm ready to move on.

But I also'm a little sensitive at the fact when I was single of what turning 30 meant being single. And so I felt that, you know, not that long ago. And I know a lot of us have. So the fact, I could see myself being in a house trying my hardest to find love on a crazy show because, hey, the world's not working for me. So let's try to do reality television. I get that perspective and there's somebody there who's beautiful, younger and has so many years

ahead of her and she doesn't feel or he doesn't feel the pressure of time on his shoulders like we do and they poke at you and poke at you at a very sense of I would break. I know I would. I would not handle that well. I would honestly probably become a shell of myself, which isn't fair to you. Is that how you felt or am I just speaking for you? No, I don't think it was fair actually. I wanted a fair shot at, you know, meeting Colton and talking to him and having my experience with him when everyone got the chance to sit down and every single time I sat down I was interrupted by some joking situation like the bathrobe or you don't see stuff happen in the pool one day just it was constant so yeah it was a little unfortunate that I didn't get what I thought

was a fair shot always to speak to him yeah did you hope it was Colton then I mean You know, he is, he is a little younger. I don't mind dating younger guys. Okay. So when you were signing up for the show, going to the casting, we often don't know who the bachelor is going to be, right, Ash, when you do the bachelor? I actually didn't think it was going to be Colton. I didn't sign my contract until I knew it was going to be Chris.

That's that way. That's when Ashley puts her foot. She goes, I know you want me. So I'm not going on this. It's this guy. They said, okay, Chris is the Bachelor. We've got to have Ashley. They called me.

And they were like, are you going to send in your contract? And I was like, I'm going to wait until the bachelor's announced. Oh, that's why we love this. I didn't want it to be Ari. Oh, really? We've never talked. You didn't want it to be Ari. Yeah, I didn't think that Ari and I would ever work out.

I don't think your thoughts on that has changed. Chris and I certainly wouldn't have worked out though either. So did you want it to be Colton? I was fine with it being Colton once I found out. I just didn't expect it to be him. So I hadn't considered it. Yeah. What do you think coming off now, the show? Yeah.

The show is done. It's ending up for everybody, right? I mean, so everybody in this room that's been on the show, Colton himself, is moving on to a new chapter of life completely. This was something you all tried. Yes. How are your emotions? How are you feeling? And after watching it back and knowing you're involved in drama along the way with Nicole and Demi, what are you thinking?

I mean, I like to think I'm a little old to be involved in this drama. So it sucks that I am constantly brought back into it. But, I mean, it is what it is. But, I mean, I want to keep dating and find someone and potentially go to paradise. Thank you for my lead in. So you know that they're going to put you and Demi against each other again in paradise. I mean, sure. I am absolutely sure that that will happen.

So you still don't like love Demi, huh? I don't really have that big of a problem with her at this point. I mean, once we're back in that environment again, God only knows it'll happen. Seriously, your feud with her seemed like nothing compared to her feud with Courtney. Yeah. And Courtney, that got rough. That was insane actually. Courtney did not handle herself. Well, she's not here, right?

No. No. I think she's far away in Atlanta. She did not handle herself very well in that. The pacifier, like literally getting up into somebody's grill like that, like to get in literally somebody's grill. I thought she was actually going to punch her. I was sitting directly behind Courtney and I saw her in like slow motion get up and I'm like,

oh my God, what is she doing? And she starts to approach her faster and faster. and I think we probably all thought she was going to punch her in the face. It was the craziest thing I've ever seen. I thought I was on a reunion for a very different show. It was not good. It was not good. She really did get in her face.

Shove a pass for her. I would not have taken that well. Shub a pacifier in her mouth. I thought that was one of the weirdest things that's happened. Also, shush little baby. She was like trying to make a point that like Demi was a baby when one, they're the same age, that she wanted to make clear that Demi was the more immature one in the situation

goes ahead, throws a pacifier in her mouth area, and she thinks that that's proving she's more mature. Interesting stuff, guys. Demi still has this way, though, to close that up. With saying all this stuff, really being that pest that we've talked about, being the lovable pest,

and still, like, walking away from these situations, like, pretty unscathed. Like, she just sit there, took it through her jabs, walked up on stage, and did her thing, and walked off, smiling, and everybody clas for Demi. She's like a scrappy boxer. Yes, everyone loves her.

But I love her now too because I met her, you know, when we did interviews after Women's Hell All, and I was like, you're a bundle of energy and joy. Like, she's so fun. I loved her. She's a great time. That's Demi for you. Tracy, we hope to see you in Paradise.

Me too. I think we will. I think we will. I hope you prepare yourself mentally for all the stuff that's going to be coming in Paradise for you. I think that I can prepare myself a little better this time around. and maybe like push back a little at Tommy. We have three questions we ask everybody tonight. Yeah.

First one is, do you wish it would have worked out with Colton? I wish it would have just worked out with someone that I had a connection with Colton or anyone. But Colton specifically, do you think it would have worked out? I think we had a lot in common and he's someone that would have been a really great friend for me. But no, we probably weren't great for each of. other two who do you see colton being most compatible with or is there anyone he really would be in this group um i think he is probably the most compatible with cassie that's the first that's the first vote for cassie and the second vote of the night

but why do you say that why we see this um because we saw it because of what we saw I mean, he's distraught and heartbroken over her, and you don't get that kind of emotion out of someone who only has lukewarm feelings for someone. He is, you can tell he's very much in love with her and really, really wants it to work. So it's Cassie or nobody. And finally, who should be the next bachelorette other than yourself? I think I'd make a great bachelorette personally. I think that Kaelin would make a beautiful bachelorette, actually. So we had the first vote for Kailen.

Hey, Tracy, thank you so much. Carry yourself with poise. Go on Paradise. Do something cool that we can talk about. I will try. Find yourself some love, all right? Thank you. Thanks, Tracy.

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and going on Paradise and finding love. We have a Night One Exeter on the podcast right now. Jane, welcome to the Almost Famous podcast. I am totally Team Joe, by the way. He's like an angel in human form. Oh, how do you know? Well, I mean, I've watched, and I feel like I have a pretty good, like,

perspective as, like, the audience does. So, like, I mean, who doesn't love Joe, right? He's, like, he's the most, one of the most lovable guys on TV, in my opinion, at least. And he's kind of like your, I mean, I'd imagine, is he your role model right now? Kind of, because I look at him and I'm like, okay, he didn't make it far.

He should have, right? But, like, now look at him. He was, like, on dancing with the stars. Like, people still got to see. see his personality like he's sweet he's funny so like i look at him and i'm like okay whatever you don't have to make it far if you have a presence you know the audience will recognize it anyways let's be really honest here there's like one person for every every season of paradise that was eliminated night one one lucky person gets that chance again and right and i think it's between

you may be now after this woman tell all and sloth girl is this going to be a battle i mean gosh i love her so much like me and her super similar because they're both outgoing and like funny i mean if you look at the women tell all i do feel like i had a little bit more of like and more of opinions to say um but if it does come down to me and her may the best women win okay awesome awesome Maybe they'll throw two of you in there, who knows. Or maybe it'll be both of us, right? High five the sloth. Yes.

What is it like, I mean, we haven't talked to a night one exeter since Joe, but Joe's was a little different because all of a sudden he blew up on the Twittosphere. What is it like to prepare for the show, go on the show, and then leave night one. Like, what is that, honestly, what are those feelings like? I mean, you know, getting ready for it, like, at least in my experience, like I walked in there And I was like, I felt confident. I, like, I'm pretty, like, open and I'm not really shy. So for me, like, I didn't really have, like, too many barriers.

So when you go home night one after feeling confident, it's kind of like a pretty big downer. Like, I was almost like, I kind of self-doubted myself for a little while. But I'm back. I'm alive. I'm here. I'm ready for paradise. No, I'm just kidding. How did that conversation with Colton go?

You know, our conversation went so well. didn't even air like people didn't even get to like see it on TV but like our convo went so good we were laughing like there were no awkward pauses there was no like twirling of the hair like oh what do I say next like the conversation was really flowing so I think that was like a really big surprise like when I got sent home because our one-on-one went pretty good what's it then like watching the whole season back knowing you were at the mansion on night one yeah and now you see these women who you probably didn't know well, but you ran into on that night, you know, pursuing this Colton guy and now falling in love. And you watch this whole thing now as a fan.

Yeah, I feel like my perspective, as well as, like, I think there was one other girl on the women tell all who went home night one. So I feel like our perspective really resides with the audience because we watched it all on TV. And I don't know, some of the girls, I was just like, oh, they're just sitting there to not really taking much action. Like, I don't really see their personality. So for some of them, I was a little surprised. But definitely looking back at night one, maybe I should have taken more action, you know? Oh, wait a second.

Jane, you acted as if you are friends with Kaylon. You don't know, Kaylin. Well, see, again, my perspective comes from watching the whole season, like, just like the audience. And I don't know, she held herself with class and dignity. You know, I didn't see her going to Colton talking, like, beep, behind her. other girls as backs, but they were all attacking her. Yeah, but you were refuting stuff that you don't actually know happened or did not happen. Well, I stated in women to all. I'm like watching it from television.

I think she held herself with dignity. And I think a lot of girls are jealous and I think a lot of girls are insecure. And yeah, I think they were all just hanging up on her. And like, I honestly felt bad. Like, I have her back. Like, just from my perspective. It is an interesting moment when somebody to go home sits there at the tell-all, right? Because you do sit there as a fan like everybody else. Exactly. You had a unique fan's perspective. Yeah.

And then you choose to speak up, which I think for everybody watching goes, wow, that doesn't happen very often. What was going through your mind in that second or in that moment to go, I need to say something now? And this is my time to say it. Was this before or after the tequila shot? No, I'm just kidding. Well, I'm not kidding, actually. That was like my little prep. I was like whatever. I have an opinion. I'm not scared to state it. I never bash anyone. But like, I'm going to be honest. And I am team Kaelin. I think she's classy. I think she has dignity. And like when all of them attack her, like I'm going to step forward.

I don't blame you for that. I mean, hey, this is your moment. Take it or leave it. And I hope you have another moment in paradise. We're asking every single person that sits down the night these three questions. Uh-oh. Jane, do you wish it would have worked out with Colton? No. Why? I'm so sorry. That was like such a quick answer. Why?

You know, he's just not my cup of tea. Like, I prefer strong coffee. Actually, no. No, no, let me rephrase that. I prefer, like, I know the man that I marry is going to be the kind of man where when a girl walks up to him for the fourth time asking if she can interrupt. my man is going to be like this beep is crazy no you cannot interrupt for the fourth time that's the kind of backbone i want in a man so we don't want cream and sugar in your coffee that's what i'm saying you know f*** that let's make it an espresso side you know like an espresso double you should have

been around a little bit more hey second question second question who remaining do you want to see colton with if any i mean gosh i keep saying team caylin i do like cayland i do like helen i do do like Tasha. I feel like they were the most like easy going with him. Um, it just seemed the most natural to me. And finally, outside of yourself, who should be the next bachelorette? Dun dun dun. I mean, obviously me. No, I'm just kidding. I'm so kidding. I definitely don't think it should be me. I do think it would come down to shocker. Kaylan! Are you guys all surprised? I'm sure you are a fan and you. That's right. Thank you, Jane. Thank you so much for joining.

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Three. Three. We have Bree on the podcast in person this time. Welcome back, Bree. So nice to finally meet you guys. Thank you. Brie, you talked to us a couple, like a month ago, I want to say, and you were like, I wish I had more air time.

I feel like people needed to get to know me better. But then you still didn't say anything during women tell-all. I'm so mad at you for that. I texted in the day. I said, what is going on with Bree? I'm polling for her. She's one of my favorites, and I watch tell-all, and you're not there. You're literally strikingly beautiful.

Like, you're like, thank you. Gigi-Hadine, goodbye. That was the vibe. You're like Gigi on crack, like above. I wanted to say more honestly. I just, I don't know. I wasn't there for the drama I left so early. So honestly, I didn't know about what was going on in the house.

And I just, I didn't feel like I needed to, like, add to anything that was going on with Nicole or with Demi or whatever. I didn't have anything to say. I'm more of, like, you know, sweet and soft with my words. I don't want to hurt anyone's feeling. So I kind of just sat there and waited until I was called on and asked to do my accent. It's interesting because our last guest, Jane, who went home at night one, was like, She, yeah. I just had to say something.

She had such a voice. I was really surprised. Very surprised. But I, I don't know. Who's, yeah, go ahead and say it, Ash. Yeah, Bree, I'm more team your thought process on this. Thank you. Because I don't, I think, like, if you weren't there, you can't, like, act as if you

really know facts. Like, you have an opinion based on what we all saw, but you don't know. I'm basically just a viewer like anybody else just commenting on what's happened on the show because I'm seeing it all just from TV. I didn't have anything to say. I didn't need to add anything and make less of anybody there. So I didn't need to add to that. What do you think, Ben?

I mean, I'm with Bree in this. I mean, I just think, you know, there's a unique situation. Yes, it's your moment. And yes, you've been on the show. And yes, you're sitting up there and it's exciting. And you have, you can just talk whenever you want. So I get that, you know, if you went home at night one, it's probably exciting for you. But I remember during Caitlin season of The Bachelorette.

There was a guy that had went home early on and was kind of criticizing Caitlin. and I was very angry. I took it very personally because I was like, you just haven't been there to get to know her. You have no right to speak. And so I don't think,

I don't know if it's harsh or not, I don't think if you weren't around during the tell-all, you don't have a right to talk. You don't know the insides of the story. I know. It's like, you don't go here. You can't talk about Colton

like six weeks down when you weren't there for the six weeks and seeing him cry and cry with him. Bree, yes. I still don't get it. So, I mean, because here's what I'm saying.

He's looking at your face, but he has a girlfriend, so. Yeah, but do you disagree? But I'm looking at you and I have a girl crush on you. So same boat here. This is what's surprising to me, honestly, is you throw off more Bachelorette vibes than anybody else that I can think of on the season right now. She's so pretty. Don't you think?

I mean, the soft-spoken, I want to be kind, I want to be considerate. I don't want to speak outside my turn. I want to make sure that I'm listening to everybody. That's Bachelorette. Tyro, why is the conversation happening? Well, I mean, there wasn't enough to go off of. God, no. Frustrating.

No one knows about me. I mean, there wouldn't be much interest, I don't think, compared to other girls that you would know that make it farther into the season. I mean, I think there's going to be some interest after Paradise. Well, you were interested in Dean. You said Ben and Dean, but Ben is a taken man now. So we heard that Kaylin sleep in, sleep in, slipped in to. slipped in to Dean's DMs before the season.

I didn't know that. Going back, who's going to get Dean? I didn't know that, actually. But Kaylin and I were friends outside of the show. We talk, we're hanging out tomorrow night. Oh, okay. Yeah, so I mean, it's up for grabs, you know? He's single.

Will you ask Kaylin tomorrow night for us, who's going to get Dean, you or her? Oh, my gosh. The girl wants Dean, you guys. It's all over the place here. Can we do an, I've done this. a zillion times we propose this idea a zillion times but let's make dean the almost famous bachelor and we'll have you guys all in in the running i actually just texted dean while we're here and i said all these girls want you it's so nuts why isn't he here tonight he is just getting back he just got back

yesterday from japan yeah dean dean has that way about with with the ladies good for dean um i don't know if he's interested in anybody right now i think he's traveling the world and having a blast doing it um so So Caitlin slides in the DMs. We talked about a little bit ago. She's your friend. So you're going to have her back here. We can't get, we can't figure out.

Is it okay to slide into a bachelor or bachelor at contestants' DMs and then go on the show? So you slide in before the show and then you go on to the show. Is that, is that an issue? I don't know. Is this public knowledge? Like, how do you guys know this?

It was brought up at tell all. Kirpah. You were there. You weren't listening. No, Kerpa didn't name names in the, in the towel. Well, we talked about a little bit.

Okay. Yeah, I didn't know. But to be honest, I mean, about a year or two ago, I was in, was his name Chase? Yeah. I reached in, you know, said hello. That's what I said. I would have done it as a fan girl before casting. Yeah, I've been watching the show.

I thought he was cute. I actually saw him at horror nights a couple of years ago and was like, yeah, I'm just going to say what's up. And it didn't go anywhere. I don't think it's wrong, is it? Yeah. Did he respond? Yeah. I was going to say.

It didn't go anywhere. Okay. Yeah. Well, that'd have been juicy. I don't like that. Anyways, I don't think it's wrong. I really don't. I mean, I think before you know you're going on the show,

you see somebody you're attracted to, you're interested in, and you say hi, what's up, and you see where it takes you. I mean, I slid in the DMs. I got better at it.

Look where it brought me. You can't hold yourself back. It's just the way of the road these days. You know, it's how we meet people. Yeah. You know. Bree, where's life going to take you? I mean, I follow you on Instagram now.

You're modeling. You're traveling now. this was happening way before the show started. Yeah. What is life going to look like for you, and is Paradise a part of it? I hope so. I would love a chance to be on Paradise. Kind of just doing the same thing I was doing before the show.

It hasn't changed too much. So, yeah, I'm hoping for a second chance in Paradise. We'll see where that goes. As a model, does it hurt your career or help it to be on the show? Because I know that Courtney Robertson, who, of course, got a villain edit and made it to the final rose, she said it hurt her career but with you you went out a little bit more discreetly does it affect yes so I think because I didn't make it as far on the show it didn't affect me in a negative way I think it could I know that that happens to a lot of girls that go on

America's next top model and things I have friends that have done that and it only hurt their career so I mean that was definitely a risk that I was taking by going on the show and luckily it didn't do that kind of just it's been the same Now, before we close up, we've been asking everybody three questions that I think are fun to ask. But I want to ask you, were you excited about it being Colton? I was excited to get to know him. I didn't really know who it was going to be. I was just really interested in whoever would show up because I felt like The Bachelor always cast a well-rounded guy.

And that's hard to meet in L.A. And so I figured whoever it would be, he would be a great guy. And he was. I hear that a lot, that it's hard to date in L.A. Do you guys agree? It is. Yeah. It's hard to date in L.A.

Yeah. Very hard. I've been single for three years, so. Nope. That's ridiculous. That is absolutely good. I think that's, that is a travesty.

I'm texting Dean after this. I'm saying, Dean. I don't know what you're thinking, buddy, but you're an idiot if you don't try this. You're not going to be a better one. Ashley and not going after that. We're going to set up, now we have our Dean is the almost famous bachelor and Brie is the almost famous bachelorette. Yes, that's cool.

Let's do it. If I could buy, and I'm going to say this, if I could buy stock in Brie right now, I think these next couple months, she's going to become a fan favorite, and she is going to rock paradise. Do you agree? Yeah, I think that you're a low, you don't cost very much to buy in right now, but before you know it, who, the people are going to be millionaires. Fingers crossed.

We're going to, um, predicting it now. Hey, uh, Brie, three questions. Okay, so the second question, you got that one. Now, second question is, who remaining do you see Colton ending up with? And none of them is an answer. None of them is an answer? Yeah, if you'd like it to me. I'm really curious to see what happens.

I don't know where, like, this goes after Cassie. He obviously seemed very into her, and she left. So I don't know what will happen next. Maybe no one. So we have Jade and Tanner's little baby crying. Emmys flipping in the background. It's late. I get it.

All right, Brie, outside of yourself, who should be the next bachelorette? I don't know if I could handle the bachelorette, to be honest. I don't know if I want that for myself. I think Tasha would be a great bachelorette. She was previously married and in the house. She was an amazing woman and friend to everyone. So I think that she would really hold herself well. And, yeah, I think she's in for the right reasons.

That's nice to hear. That is really nice to hear. I like Tasha. I think Tasha just seemed to get, the raw end of the deal here at the end. I've been so too. The perfect storm happened and Tasia got pushed out why Colton was trying to push in. That's what she said, everyone.

Hey, Brie, again, I know we'll talk to you after Paradise during Paradise. I'm excited to watch your whole experience here for next couple months. Thanks for coming to all, most famous podcast. Thank you so much. Thanks for having me. Good to see you guys. Good to see you. All right, guys.

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Wow. Heather, you're back and ready to go. I just got to start. I know that you guys have sat together a couple of times, right? No, we haven't. We've never sat together. I never met. I thought you guys had met. Well, then I'm just going to dive in. I'm not saving any questions for Ashley. How does this work? I have good friends who are 24 and they haven't had their first kiss yet. Really? Yeah. Good friends. Three that I can name of because it all came up from watching the show. Yeah. Beautiful people. Beautiful women just hasn't happened. I know this is something that you can talk about all the time. How does this happen for you? Like, is this really you've never been kissed? It is real. I have never,

I had never been kissed. No, it was real. Have you kissed anyone since Colton? No. You have it? Don't say like that. No,

I haven't. I mean, now it's been let loose. Like, just give it a shot. Just every single person I see. Every guy on the street. Yeah.

Restaurants. Everywhere I go. I've had that stage of my life. Yeah. After my first kiss. I was dreading my second. I was like, I'm still not ready to jump back into that. I was scared with Colton.

I was like, I did the first. I was like, I can't, I can't do it anymore. It's too scary. Ash, how old were you when you had your first kid? I was 19. Okay. You're 19? Yeah.

Okay. Yeah. Makes it feel a little bit better. So, leading up to the Bachelor, though. Mm-hmm. Was your expectation to have your first kiss on the show? Like in life, like before the bat, or like once I knew it was on the bachelor. Oh, okay.

Um, I mean, I wasn't positive. I could have gone. Like maybe I'll go home night one, the second week. So I didn't know. But I thought, I mean, if I got far enough, then obviously that was kind of going to happen. I can't think of a better way to have your first kiss than on the show. I would, oh, if I hadn't been kissed, I would have been waiting. I would have saved myself for that moment because you sure knew it that there was going to be fireworks blasts in the background.

A lot of like just intense groping. But here's what I got to tell you. Heather, you did great. I watched that back, slow replay. Like, you had, you had great friction. I thought your mouths aligned just perfectly. You moved at the perfect rate and there's a rhythm to it. I thought for your first kiss, how did you learn or how did you prepare for that moment?

I didn't prepare. I mean, I was terrified. You kissed the pillow. You kissed the pillow. The shower wall? No. I did the shower wall and I did my arm. I mean, not too much.

Enough. Enough. Like enough to at least feel how it feels. Yeah. No. I didn't prepare at all. When I got the date card, I literally, Hannah B, she was really one of my really close friends. I look at her and I'm like, help me. I was like, I was terrified because I was like on the one-on-one, either I'm going to go home or I'm going to kiss him. Like it was one of the two. It wasn't really, you know, it was going to happen. So I was just like, like, I was panicked. So the entire day, I was just like, oh my gosh. How did she help you? Did she give you some good advice? What did she say? She just gave me some advice. I was just gave me some advice. I. I can't even remember now. I kind of blocked it all out. But yeah, she was just like, hey, she just kind of pepped me up a little bit. But I thought that was one of the most underrated moments that we didn't talk about in the season is the fact that Heather in the clutch

with pressure on her, fireworks in the background, pulls through and just has an amazing makeout session with Colt. You are so good. It looked so natural. I would have never thought your hand placement was great. Oh, I thought it was fantastic. Thank you so much.

The only hard part, which we talked about, was the lead up to it. Colton did a terrible job, but not making that moment. really awkward. Like, there was a lot of, like... You wanted it to be awkward? No. I don't think he did. I don't think he knew how to move. Maybe he just didn't realize how awkward it was, but for the viewer, I had to cover up my eyes during it because he had like one arm around you. There was like talking and then like looking

off in the distance and then talking, you're like, just kiss her. Just kiss her. Make it happen. And he did it. And then finally it happened and it was like this relief. But for a long time, it was like one of those awkward moments on the show. That's really hard to watch. Yeah. Horrible. I know. I was terrified. I honestly, I don't know why. I didn't think like 100% there was going to be fireworks. I just didn't know for sure. And I was like that whole like that whole entire like last 10 minutes I kind of like blacked out. I really wasn't sure it was going on. But I was like what's going to happen? We're standing here. And it was like a long time. I was like something's about to happen. So I was just like, I don't know.

I do not know. How sad would have been if it didn't happen? Oh my goodness. What if I was like, oh, this is too special to like waste it for her because I know she's not. the one yeah he could have I mean that's what at I wasn't like at the dinner he could have said like sorry like I don't I don't think you're my wife and I don't want to waste that so I wasn't sure you said that there was some weird eight month relationship that you were in and you didn't kiss the guy I said I think on the podcast that this must have been just like the producer saying to you like there must have been some guy so tell him a story about some close to be relationship and you're like okay so I went on a couple days with this guy it went over this

span of eight months. I've like had those weird. Yeah. I like been on dates with guys and I didn't kiss them until like date five because it was so dragged out and separated. Was that what it was like? So I dated a guy after college and he was super intentional with dating and he had gotten out of a really intense relationship and where he was yeah, it was super intense relationship. So I he was really interested and pursued me and asked me on dates and I just really wasn't sure. Like I just wasn't You just didn't like him. You were not sure. You just didn't like him.

I wanted to like him so badly. Good on paper. He had everything I wanted and I wanted to like him so badly. So I kept going on dates with him for eight months for a long time. But he knew my situation. Oh, he knew you had never been kissed? Yeah. We were friends before and then, but he was in such a serious relationship before

that I didn't want to like give him any further affirmation if I wasn't fully feeling it. Okay. It was just bad. don't know this hits deep actually and i've talked about it many times like just talking about relationships and how that works in the pressure when you you know say you're a virgin with colton or you haven't been kissed like that people don't want to take that from you so here's the big question now and then it's happened and man we're really expounding on this kiss so i'm sorry about that but it's so interesting to me good do you regret having it happen oh absolutely not there we go hey

no it was a magical first kiss you could ever have when people were like oh no i wouldn't want to on TV. I was like, that is the greatest way to do it. What else would you want? It could have been more perfect. It could not have been more perfect. You're never going to regret having your first kiss with a hot guy like Colton, a nice guy on TV with fireworks. Yeah, absolutely not. In Thailand. It could have been better. It could not have been better. Man, I wish I was you sometimes. Okay. My last question for you is you left on your own. And I have this inkling that you left on your own because you're like, rather say goodbye on my own than have to have him say goodbye to me at a rose ceremony that's what

well that's was my fear doing that because i was like i don't want people to think that i'm like that's that was my biggest fear when i oh that was a fear because i was like i don't want people to think like oh i think i'm going to get broken up with and so i need to dump him first that's so stupid i could care less oh you really didn't you really didn't feel it no so he expressed that week in Denver that he was so serious about wanting to get engaged at the end of this and that that was something he absolutely wanted and I felt like at the point in our relationship that I just didn't have enough time with him at that point changed things up for Cassie he said never mind don't need to get engaged unbelievable this season just rock in my world I'm stressed

out for everybody right now Heather we've asked every guest that came on three questions okay you ready for him ready do you wish it would have worked out with Kate or Colton no obviously You left yourself go. You got them with him. Why did you break it? You just went into it? I didn't have enough time. He wanted to get engaged.

That's what he said. And so I just didn't think I had enough time with him to know. And I wasn't fully confident. And I knew that a lot of the other girls, the four girls left were. Got it. Okay. Number two, which are the remaining girls, if any,

do you think will be good with Colton? I think Hannah G or Cassie. I think both of them. Okay. Wow. Interesting votes. Still Cassie? Still Cassie.

Still Cassie? I think that they would be a good. I think Cassie and Colton are a good match. Like I really do. Yeah. Like their lifestyles. Like everything about them, I really, like, even during the show, like, I was like, yeah, they'd be a really good match. But, I mean, I don't know.

Okay. Final question. Outside of yourself, what we didn't even ask you yet. Are you going to go in Paradise? I don't know. Of course. Okay. Yeah, you're going to be there.

Okay. Okay. Outside of yourself, who should be the next Bachelorette? one of the Hannah Hannah G. Oh no no Hannah B. Hannah Bess.

She's mine but like Hannah G that's totally fine too. Both of them. I'm fine with the Hannah. I'm fine with the Hannah. One of the Hannah is perfect. Okay wait.

Are you going to have your second kiss ever on Bachelor of Paradise? Save the second kiss for paradise. Wait. Can I wait? And then will you look at the camera and give us this thumbs up like this is for you Ashley and Ben?

Hannah Ashley. I did it. I did it. Heather, thank you so much. one of the podcast. Thank you so much. This is fun. That's so fun. All righty. This episode is going to be closed up. Our tell all I thought was fantastic. I loved this episode. What of our greatest works?

We are next guest. Has his own podcast now called The Vile Files. He's been on the podcast many times. He's one of Bachelor Nation's most infamous, iconic, and legendary people. We love him. His name is Nick. Nick, welcome back to the almost famous podcast. He's the only one that approach. approaches us with his eyes on his phone and not a smile on his face. I'm just happy to see his face. That's a beautiful jacket you got.

It's a gorgeous man's jacket. He just always dresses nice. How do you, okay. How do you dress nice all the time? I threw this on, to be quite honest with you, right after I painted. You painted shirtless today? I did. Was it a live stream?

No. No, I have to re-requerect. I'm going to do another one here. I'll show you. Wait, Nick, this is one of the first things I want to talk to you about. Is this real? Like, you actually are that good at painting? Here, I just painted this, man.

No, you did not. I don't get how you do this. Nick, no. Do you edit this to make it look like you're an artist? So we're bringing Kirpah and Heather back. They're walking past. Do you believe that Nick is this good of a painter? Let's see.

What are you talking about? I have to do another one. I mean, if you need to go on Nick's Instagram at some point and follow this, it is one of the most unbelievable things I've ever seen. I watched it the first time back three. times because, like, I, how have I never seen this? When is this? When is this? Oh, that was my first try at this painting. If you don't know what we're talking about, it's going to be up on Nick's story soon. Just keep checking it. I'm calling, I think I'm going to call it, it's going to be on IGTV

and I'm going to call it paint therapy. Okay. Wait, you say it's paint by the numbers or what is it called paint? What is it? I'm going to do like a show. No, I know, but what is this paint? I'm just going to talk and paint. How long have you had this skill? He's eating a Starburst. But how long have you I mean, I've always, I wanted to be at cartoons for Disney when I was a kid. Aw, that's so cute. How has this never came up on the show and how they've never known this about you? No, the way it has. How?

Hold on, sorry, I shouldn't have chosen a story. So, again, this is going to, this is going to be all the pictures. I wrote, I wrote, on my first season, on Andy's season, I, I wrote that book, and I drew those pictures. Oh, that's right. That's so cute. So there was a bit of a, an artiste in you. I've always wanted to be an artist when I was a kid And then I just didn't do it for 20 years

This just shows where I'm at in life And when I can watch an Instagram story and get so down to myself And so I'm just looking for hobbies and, you know, things to do when I'm alone at night And I picked up painting I like it. Are you going to display them in your home? I think we're going to give them away It actually costs a lot of like every time I do a painting I think it's like 100 bucks like supplies in the frame

I think we're just going to give them away I don't know, yeah. Like to friends? Or like Oxen and Woff for charity or something. Yeah, or something like the fans or something. Maybe a way to like sell natural habits, essential oils, NHoils.com. I mean, yeah. Please promote everything you got.

Okay, Nick, we have a big night ahead of us still. And so let's get to the point. Who do you think should be the next Bachelorette? Hanna B. Wow. She really warmed up to me. Here's the thing. A couple of reasons why I think Hannah B will be is the

best pick amongst the women. She had a mildly unfavorable edit early on, and then really warmed up, and I think everyone liked her more. I think it's a really compelling storyline, especially, and I think Kaylin's great. I like Kaylin, but certainly Kalin is gunning for the Bat Sharat, and I'm assuming she wants it too. So for Hannah B to get it over, Kaylin, she finally beat, finally beat Kaylin. Can we talk about the sweet revenge?

She's like, I think she was just jealous of me because I placed and she didn't. I like Kailen just fine. I also think Hannah B. is the most, she emotes the most and the most interesting. And she will probably, it will, she's the most entertaining to watch. She's not safe. She makes me giddy to watch. She will, she will do things that she regrets and I will enjoy watching it. Okay.

So as far as, I think she'll be a great choice. So this episode with Colton and The Fence Jump, would you call that the most dramatic? Is it people? I haven't been able to look to see how the reactions are in. Chris Harrison said they broke the world. They did break the world. It's a bit hyperbolic, but it has to be one of the most psychics. It was a great episode.

It's going to be like bird box where everybody's like jumping over fences tonight. I'll be honest. I'm a little envious of Colton. Why? Because he did have the most dramatic episode of her. No. Well, I don't know how this is all going to play out. But it sounds like he quit.

It looks like he's going to chase the girl he likes. And, you know, he's, it's going to, it's romantic looking. And, you know, Cassie has been clear that she's not ready to get engaged. So, can't, Colton, like, there's no pressure to get engaged anymore for Colton. Oh, so you're jealous because you wish you could have just dated instead of getting engaged? Well, I mean, like, it's just, it's a lot less pressure. Yeah. to just to keep it real

and I think there's stresses that the engagement can bring I don't know it's an interesting it's an interesting episode so there's a tweet that I want to ask you about Nick that Colton has tweeted it says the realest moment ever hashtag the Bachelor

do you believe this was the realest moment ever in Bachelor history I don't love that Colton tweeted that himself yeah it's a little self-promoting Do I think it's the most realist? No. I mean, it was a great episode. I think there's been a lot of real moments. I mean, I don't know you could pick the,

do you think you could pick the most realist? No. I felt like there are some episodes, there's some moments that we had that were real. I'll tell you what. I mean, had Vanessa left in that moment, I probably would have done the same damn thing. Yeah.

I don't know how you would have felt if Lauren went left in that moment, probably similar. I think what's interesting about this episode is that it, and I'm proud of the show for airing it, is that they kind of showed what would ultimately probably happen every season at this point. I think it's pretty common for the lead

to have a favorite or a front runner at this point. And if your front runner or your favorite at this late in the game decides to leave, even if you weren't sure about your decision, it's going to make you go into panic mode and make you want to, you know, the whole want way you can't have element play plays. And so I think Colton's reacting authentically to it.

Is it more real than, you know, everyone else who's in those you know you're only a product of whatever environment you're in you know um it was real for you to tell jojo and lauren that you know like you know it's just it's whatever happens happens um i mean you could i mean bad decision but it was probably a real moment when i when i you know afr with andy you know regrettable but real um so yeah i don't i don't it's it's been self-promoting at that point it's a little weird yeah all right Colton feel himself right now? I don't know.

It's odd to tweet during this episode, I think, at all. Say what you feel, Ben. Come on. Well, that's exactly. I said it's odd to tweet at all during this episode. So I don't, I think this episode is so emotional and so hard to watch that I think at any left. Do you think it takes away from the realness of it? A little bit.

Yeah, I think it does. Almost like if this was this hard. Bravo me? Yeah, you couldn't, you couldn't talk about this openly if it was, if it hurt that much. And so this is what, this is where I'm reading into. this then now i wonder what happens in the weeks to follow because if if he's at a place where he can emotionally tweet about this and watch it back with confidence and and at least enough clarity well he's either a he was either a full of shit or b with cassie yeah yeah so that's what i'm saying

it's pointing to what's happening next to him being with her yeah that's what i'm saying that's my so if that's the case let's make let's lead under that assumption are you jealous too because he gets to be with the girl and not have to get engaged um um No, I wanted to get engaged. I was confident. I didn't not want to get engaged, but were you ready to get engaged? Yeah, I was. I was, but I can see.

I don't mean like ready in life. I'll get engaged tomorrow. I think Ben was ready to get engaged. I was. I was. I do think, though, what it does say, and I get what you're saying is it takes the pressure off and that he kind of gets to have his cake and eat it too, which. A little bit.

Which is not ideal for anybody in this whole thing. Well, also, also like, Colton's probably too young to get engaged. That was kind of the big I was the same age You were at a different place in your life You're not you weren't a virgin You dated more than three people You had experience

Colton by his own admission Hasn't had no experience with dating And that was the one criticism Going in that he's how could he be ready to get engaged And now he's like It's getting a loophole It really worked out I mean it really

Self-fulfilling prophecy Yeah Uh-huh Okay Nick you have the new Viol files or vile files, you know, we wanted to talk about... We don't really compete, though. I compete more of probably

with Jared and Dean and Vanessa. Probably. How is yours different from everybody's? How does that, daddy? How does your podcast? I've really mastered it. Is it pretty good, right? That's very good.

How, what are they going to get from your podcast that they won't from other Bachelor podcasts? Oh, well, I mean, we don't talk, we talk a little Bachelor, but it's not the focus. You know, it's kind of give the people what they want. We try to, it's a lot. A lot of dating stuff, a lot of life stuff. I really just kind of talk about what's on my mind.

We take questions from fans, and they come in with their interesting dating stories, and we just try to get in the nitty gritty. Different ideas that come in my mind. Last week, we had a psychologist, and we talked about anxiety and depression, and I kind of just talked about the things that I get depressed and get anxiety about. And hopefully it might be helpful, and try to break down the kind of preconceived notions of what therapy is. on this coming tomorrow, we'll be dropping an episode talking about body issues.

And I have two of my friends. They're both models. One is a curve model or a plus-sized model, if you will. The other one is just a regular model. But obviously, they are objectified every day for their bodies. And I've had some stories about mistakes I've made in dating and just how people in their bodies and datings play a role. And it's just another topic we talk about.

So, yeah, we're just kind of having fun. I think I'm going to have Demi on the following week Fun I love that girl I wasn't sure if I was going to have her on I was like you know what So Demi is going to help me Recap the Bachelor finale

And we'll get into some Maybe we'll talk about internet bowling Or bowling with Demi I love that I don't know so we just talk I just talk I like to hear myself talk You're the absolute man Hey let's head out of here

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