The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - You Can't Force The Drama

Episode Date: July 16, 2024

We're into the second week of Jenn Tran's season of The Bachelorette and things are getting dramatic! Ben explains the the franchise is back on the rise... if they don't fumble the ball. Ashley reveals that the season feels a bit "forced", but we're still early on. And, we hear their predictions for the Top 4!See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

This is an I-Heart podcast. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, luckily, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend's been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone.

Hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That seems inappropriate. Maybe find out how it ends by listening to the OK Storytime podcast and the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hi, my name is Enya Umanzor. And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom. If you're a crime junkie and you love crimes, we're not the podcast for you. But if you have unmedicated ADHD... Oh, my God, perfect.

And want to hear people with mental illness, psychobabble. Yes, yes. Then Emergency Intercom is the podcast for you. Open your free IHeartRadio app. Search Emergency Intercom and listen now. Every case that is a cold case that has DNA. Right now in a backlog will be identified in our lifetime. On the new podcast, America's Crime Lab,

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I'm even more honest, more vulnerable, and more real than ever. Am I ready to enter this new part of my life? Like, am I ready to be in a relationship? Am I ready to have kids and to really just devote myself and my time? Join me for conversations about healing and growth, all from one of my favorite spaces, The Kitchen. Listen to the new season of the Overcombered podcast on the IHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. This is the Ben and Ashley I, Almost Famous Podcast with IHartRadio. Hello, everyone. Welcome to the Almost Famous Podcast. It's Ashley and Ben here, breaking down episode two of Jen's season.

Hello, Benjamin. Welcome back, Ashley. I cannot believe. doing this together again. I can't either. Today is definitely the last day. I've been manifesting July 15th as the day. And I still think it's today. So. An absolute wild time. Well, Ashley, we are here to talk about the Bachelor. At. Bachelor et. There is a lot to talk about. This is kind of the episode that things pick up a bit, obviously. Also, congratulations to the show. Did really well week one did much better than um our expectations ratings wise so um just because like i didn't feel like it was talked about a lot like i think that jen's totally like well bachelorette

just didn't think that people were like ready for it well i think the show is in a really good place if they don't ruin it and and so like this season if they knock it out of the park if they don't try to manipulate too much if they don't make it super corn If they don't make it unbelievable, then I do think the show is in a really good place, and I do think people are excited about the Bachelor and Bachelorette again and the Gleman Bachelor and Bachelor. Ashley, I did think this show this episode specifically walked a fine line between me not believing it and believing it.

It did at the end become believable to me. It felt there was something missing from this episode. episode for these guys to be so riled up about yeah it felt like there was something missing i also really didn't like the intro with like them going to australia it felt like all these like 30 year old dudes were acting like 10 year old children like screaming running around jumping on the beds with each other like jumping on the couch it just was like it felt uh forced to me there's some drama queens though in this bunch that i feel like they would just act up for camera yeah oh the camera's on they're just cornered

And they're all trying really hard to be funny, but like not any of them. There's not one yet that I'm like, oh, they're like just like quick-witted. There's not one yet. Jen, quick-witted. Yeah. Those guys yet, none of them stand out to me as being like somebody would make you belly laugh. So I'm assuming that you didn't find anybody's stand-up performance during the group date. Good.

It was actually, we didn't see anything besides the Devon bashing. Yeah, it felt weird. start there. And so we're obviously finding ourselves in Australia. Jen and the men are starting out. They didn't even stay in the mansion, which there was no mansion this year. They're in Australia. A theory about that. Okay. I think that Marshall, who owns the mansion, was like, guys, love you, but I'm not going to leave for golden bachelorette, bachelorette and bachelor. So pick your two. I still just believe money speaks. Like I'm, I think he would leave for a price. Yeah, he has to have another house.

somewhere i mean the guy's been making millions on this show i think maybe i mean it's not a bad theory i'm just saying i would be shocked if he doesn't have a price and maybe the price was too high for one night of filming and well definitely one night he's not going to do it sure that's not going to do it that's too much work for one night to turn it over that's a good point too well they're not in the mansion they are in australia they're staying at a marriott uh we got to see that. A nice little ad. I love Marriott. It's a big Marriott. And the guys do their little intro, which I've already said did not make me like him any less or more. It just felt like I could fast forward through that and not see any of these dudes doing what they were doing.

Jen is looking beautiful as usual. So beautiful. Like look amazing this entire episode. Amazing. And we start with a group date where these guys are tasting, different things. I do think there was something at the very beginning of this group date that I wanted to speak with you about it. It is, I think his name is Sam in. He's the one that is the love virgin. He is lactose intolerant. Yeah, lactose intolerant, a little quiet and to himself. And I think they tried to make it a storyline. Like, it felt like it was going to become a thing. And I couldn't help thinking the whole time that he was admitting that he just feels a little uncomfortable, a little out of his element, that that's very normal. That's very okay. This is the

first week. You should feel a little out of your element. You are trying to figure out how to date this girl or for her to even try to get to know you in the midst of some chaos. But it almost felt like they were trying to make it where the other guys were going to get upset with him about it. I felt. Oh, really? I didn't vibe that, but I like him. I like him so far. Because you were like, okay, I kind of see what you're talking about because the guy was like, oh, you're not eating that because you're lactose intolerant. Almost like they wanted him to be like, oh, it's okay. I'm a big tough guy.

I'll just eat whatever. I'll just get a stomachache for you. Yeah. Let me get a stomachache for you. Not a massive deal, but that kind of came and went. And then we had the comedy show where all these guys kind of out of nowhere. Well, first Devin pulls her aside to get gelato on their own. Yeah.

Which gives them the material to hate him. And it was so crazy. Ashley, and maybe things are just different now. But this happens. It happens every season. It's not unexpected. And yes, you're not going to like everything that every other guy does. But my, I remember being on The Bachelorette and thinking to myself, I'm going to let these other guys sabotage each other.

Like, I am not the one that's going to step in the middle of this. If this dude wants to go spend time with her and she really is into it, then that's great for them. maybe they're going to end up together. Good. That's what we hope happens here. Maybe she realizes that this dude is a little annoying. And maybe the other guys dislike it too and they step it up. But it felt like all these guys kind of packed together and got mad together, which was very odd to me. You didn't just have one guy going at him. You had multiple. Devin is not the most likable guy. Like we get it. He's brash. Bet and I could even tell from his bio. He likes to eat things he's allergic to.

he's he's something okay but what he did here was not outrageous at all he pulled her aside for a few minutes to get ice cream and he didn't even kiss her in pulling someone aside on a group date to get a few minutes alone not weird not even rude okay why would you want to spend your entire time on the date with the other guys who have these guys never seen the show before they were all just very jealous that they didn't come up with an idea to pull her aside themselves they're using the word disrespectful they kind of kept called devon disrespectful multiple different times during this episode now devon i'm assuming is not everybody's cup of tea i don't think everybody likes him but i don't know anything he did that was disrespectful i don't think i saw anything that was

like out of the ordinary from any other season or any other person trying to get as much time as possible. Now, again, I go back to typically, if you're in a group setting, especially early on, the guy that is going to do those type of things, take her aside, pull her away, step into your conversations is not the guy that's going to be there at the end. Because there's usually like he is the one that is going to sabotage himself at some point with her. He's going to become too annoying or too brass or too just in her face and she's going to be like hey not for me man like take a chill pill like if we're if you're going to be my my partner you have to understand the environment that I'm in and that this is really hard and the more time you pull me away

means the less time I got to spend trying to figure this whole thing out like be my partner here and not an annoyance so I don't know why the guys get so upset but they do and they take it upon him at the comedy special and Aaron especially who's not Noah's brother has this weird issue with him. Do you not think that was weird the way that he felt toward him after this? Yeah. Well, it represented the Bennett-Noa argument. If you remember back in the day when the two of them sat down,

like especially when Aaron gave him the book. Bennett gave Noah a book. I think it was on self. Yeah, something like that. And so now it definitely was a little corny and cheesy from my perspective. you could tell of the show was definitely involved in repeating that storyline or they're trying to repeat that storyline. That is so bizarre.

But Ben, did you remember that on your own? Um, I think I did actually. Because that's a fine note. Yeah. And it's been like four years. So good job. I'm a historian of the show, Ashley. Yeah.

At this point, we've done this long enough. Good job picking up on that. That is even cornyer now. It was almost hard to watch. because it was like, you, this is, this is no longer walking in, in, like, reality. Now, people ask you all the time, is the show real or not? I always say, yes, it is. It's very real.

It just matters how you go about it. That moment to me was a little too unrealistic, and it made me, like, kind of curl up and embarrassment being like, why am I watching this? Aaron does have a massive issue with Devin. He takes it upon himself to make sure that he is angry. He keeps saying that he's not deep enough. that he's not like a qual he's not qualified enough gentleman to be with Jen and to be honest he really doesn't know him enough and he does call him by a different name he calls him

Dylan I'm like dude multiple times it's not a good look I don't think anybody's going to watch him be like that's a good look now again I don't know if devon's for everybody believe me devon isn't for everyone but but Aaron's behavior towards him was even less for me, was far less for me. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Well, wait a minute, Sam, maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes, my boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot.

He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating. He insists there's nothing between them.

I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professor or not? To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hi, my name is Enya Yumanzo. And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom. If you're a crime junkie and you love crimes, we're not the podcast for you.

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It took drama and mayhem to an entirely new level. We are going to be reliving every hookup, every scandal, every backstab, blackmail, and explosion, and every single wig removal together. secrets are revealed as we rewatch every moment with you special guests from back in the day we'll be dropping by you know who they are sidney allison and joe are back together on still the place with a trip down memory lane and back to melrose place so listen to still the place on iHeart radio app apple podcasts or wherever you listen to podcasts mondays are still a bitch It's a weird thing, Ashley, a little side note here, as we're talking about a show where marriage or a proposal is inevitable or at least the desired hope from the outcome, you don't look at a partner and say, you know, if conflict arises or there's something going on in life where your partner is upset, you surely hope that they don't handle that situation like these guys are doing it right now in the show. You hope that somebody steps into the room be like, here's the deal. You're upset. You don't like him. You know what? That's okay. Like, I can't convince you to like him. But what we can do is understand that the more drama and the more argument that we have in this room right now and the more we spend time focusing on this, the less beneficial this is for Jen and for any of us in this room, including myself who doesn't like you. So let's put this aside. Let's understand that I'm not happy with the decisions that you made.

and just know that I'm going to stand by that. But I don't want it to interfere with this experience. That would be a response. Instead, these dudes right now are being childish, childish towards each other, and they're representing themselves as childish. And I think it's very unattractive. And it's very weird right now because we don't have that one person that's necessarily standing out.

I think Marcus stands out. I do. But he's not, and maybe it's just because he isn't getting into the drama. but there's nobody just stepping up in the midst of this argument and being like, can we stop? Like, what are we doing? Like, how long do we want this to go for? Well, chemistry-wise, I still feel her with Sam.

I'm going to, Sean Booth look like Sam. But he's getting into the drama as well. He is. He's stepping a toe in the water. I still just have this feeling that he's going to get more involved in the drama than we even know right now. Yeah, I think so, too, especially next week's episode. Okay. Nighttime portion of the date

She is clicking with Grant, the basketball player slash day investor. Trader. Okay. I mean I like him. He's cute. I mean, he's very cute. I get it. I get the appeal. She is

definitely into the guys from the start that definitely kind of have the Swave. Yeah. Yeah. Like just kind of, you know, know how to work a room and have a conversation. and be kind of like romantic and and like sensual like he just kind of that he she's into that with the sam and with grant you can tell that she likes that kind of look and vibe i mean the look it's good look yeah and then she likes to be asked like those questions i think where like we said

last week it's kind of like pick up artists like questions but at the same time yeah it feels like it could be either pickup artist or it can be I'm just trying to get to know you but it just feels a little pickup artist to me yeah a little forced maybe it's kind of what I felt like it felt really forced and it was you know but I get it it's good on this show to be intentional and to ask those questions as early as possible I do think there is a way to go about it that Grant just kind of dove in good for him not no criticism there but he did just dive in right away. He was like, hey, I have two minutes to talk to you.

What's your biggest fear? What's your biggest mistake? Tell me everything. That makes me feel awkward. Like, I don't think I would respond in that way. Like, I want more of a playful back and forth conversation. But I also understand if that's the kind of questioning that she feels, like, appreciated by being asked. I think she does.

I mean, it always is nice to have somebody ask about you. And in this experience, at least when I was The Bachelor, I don't, I remember. remember people being curious about me, but it was a lot of me being curious about them. You know, you're kind of the lead here in a lot of ways and you're guiding conversations and you're the one that feels like you're in charge of the conversation. I'm sure Jen feels that way very often. And so it is nice to kind of be set back and be like, no, tell me about you. Who are you? Yeah. Just takes a pressure off for a minute. It does. Of having to be the one that's carrying the conversation. Anyway, and then Jonathan, she also likes Jonathan. And like I said, I thought

Jonathan is pretty darn cute. No, it's quite the surprise after coming in in a hospital gown and his face wrapped last week. He's, he doesn't scream like final three to me, but top six-ish. He's ranking up there. So far, I mean, I think he has a legit shot at it. He and Marcus feel very similar to me in terms of how she feels about them. I do think there's some longevity. Yeah. They're like the second tier of feelings. Yeah, but there's longevity in it, right? So they're not the initial shock and awe. The hot and heavy. Yeah, but it does feel like it could be two that last because they're right there. We're not getting a lot of, I mean, obviously Marcus had a one-on-one, but we're not getting a ton from them yet. Even though Marcus had a one-on-one and he shared his

incredible story and what he's done for this country. I don't feel like he has the camera time as others, because outside of the one-on-one, we don't see a lot from him. We see a lot of the arguments. We don't see a lot from Marcus. I do think that's a sign that long term. He'll be around.

Oh, okay. So I was going to say, you can flip it and say that Marcus is the guy that she would love to love, but it may not be there. romantically we'll have to wait and see they're definitely you know he'd be in my top four right now if we did a top four and we'll start here at the end of the episode but let's dive into the market story right away then he does have a one-on-one uh they have a really cool date where they

get to jump out of a plane so glad did not happen on my season have you ever done that no okay no yeah not not not something that i'm asking to do i thought the show had gotten away from it because of the legality. The safety protocol, yeah. Yeah, but they're obviously, you know, if they go to Australia, maybe rules don't apply. But they do jump out of a plane.

And then at dinner, they do connect at a deeper level. And Marcus does get to share his story. I think no matter what, it is a life story that when he shares it with you, there's a respect, there's an admiration, there's appreciation. There's also kind of an understanding of who this guy is. after he shares it.

Like, you know, you know a little bit more of what you're getting. You don't know the whole picture, but you know he's loyal, he cares, he serves, and that he's tough as nails. Mm-hmm, yeah. He's just, like, kind of the quintessential guy that you're like, that's a stand-up man that you want to find, and hopefully you have chemistry with him. Yeah. He just seems, like what you just said.

Like, he's got a lot of heart and soul. He's going to be a hard egg to crack. He did a great job, though. He keeps talking about how he's not, like, super vocal when it comes to emotions. But he really opened up, and you can tell that there's going to be so much more to him, even when he opens up further. And, yeah, once you tell that story about how, you know, he was sent over to Afghanistan and a number of times on his last trip over there,

he got sent back, was in the hospital for like two months. You know that like once he opens up about that, he's going to be more comfortable opening up about pretty much everything else. Yeah, he's one to watch for sure. It's a great one-on-one date. And that moves us into the group date. The group date is a photo shoot with animals from Australia. I think this is awesome.

I love this group date. This is great. It's super fun. It's easy. It's also... It's a great watch for us. Like, it's just fun for us to watch. I agree.

And Hakeem is just, I want him to be in my top four now because he is hilarious. He has those crazy eyes and makes very expressive eyes. And the dude with the spider, like, I knew that the spider was going to come. And the fact that, of course, he's like, just don't want to be a spider. Just don't want to be a spider. Of course, the producer's going to hand him over a spider. His reaction to it was just so freaking funny. And I love him for this.

because the spider would have been the one that I dread the most. Put that big snake around my neck far before have the spider crawl up my shoulder. Yeah, there were so many animals there. They were like, of course, you can have a little, like, furry thing on your hands. And then he gets a spider. It was great television. I like that nobody took it negatively, that everybody's like, I get it, man. That thing's creepy.

Like, I feel you. I don't know if I hate spiders that much, but I know that there are things. that you could put on me like a big snake around my neck? I'd be like, no, not my deal. Don't want this to happen. Oh, but Dylan did. He's stud. Just actually rocked it.

Great for him. He really showed off, showed up there in that moment. But I'm glad nobody took it negatively from Khakeem. I'm glad they all laughed about it. Jen almost looked like she was judging him a little bit based on his reaction. But once the snake came out, I think she was like, I get it now. No, I'm good. Like, we're on the same page here.

You thought that Jen was kind of, judging hakeem's reaction right yeah yeah it almost looked like she was looking at him like come on dude step up exactly and i was thinking oh my gosh this girl must really not have a fear of spiders because to me i would have been one cracking up and being like please don't do this for me do not do this for me this is i don't want you know yeah we'll laugh about this later you don't have to touch it it's fine but then the snake came out and she had the same reaction and so then i think there was a, it leveled the playing field. She said, I get it now. We're all good.

You're either afraid of spiders or afraid of snakes. Unless you're that guy that was passing him out. He seemed afraid of nothing. My boyfriend's professor is way too friendly, and now I'm seriously suspicious. Well, wait a minute, Sam. Maybe her boyfriend's just looking for extra credit. Well, Dakota, it's back to school week on the OK Storytime podcast, so we'll find out soon. This person writes,

My boyfriend has been hanging out with his young professor a lot. He doesn't think it's a problem, but I don't trust her. Now, he's insisting we get to know each other, but I just want her gone. Now, hold up. Isn't that against school policy? That sounds totally inappropriate. Well, according to this person, this is her boyfriend's former professor, and they're the same age. And it's even more likely that they're cheating.

He insists there's nothing between them. I mean, do you believe him? Well, he's certainly trying to get this person to believe him because he now wants them both to meet. So, do we find out if this person's boyfriend really cheated with his professional? professor or not. To hear the explosive finale, listen to the OK Storytime podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hi, my name is Enya Umanzor. And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom. If you're a crime junkie and you love crimes, we're not the podcast for you.

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And I just looked at my computer screen. I was just like, ah, gotcha. On America's crime lab, we'll learn about victims and survivors. And you'll meet the team behind the scenes at Othrum, the Houston lab that takes on the most hopeless cases, to finally solve the unsolvable. Listen to America's Crime Lab on the IHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Hola, it's Honey German, and my podcast, Grasasas Come Again, is back. This season, we're going even deeper into the world of music and entertainment, with raw and honest conversations with some of your favorite Latin artists and celebrities.

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The group date was great. It was a good watch. And the cocktail party got a little discombobulated. It got a little bit funky, right? Well, there was no cocktail party. because Dylan went straight to the date. It was the, what I'm thinking of is when they all went back to the house. They went back to the hotel.

The hotel was where things got a little bit messy. It started to fire up a little bit. The 101 time was good. But the house was, we were starting to get a sense of what the next few weeks of this season probably is going to look like. And this is where I really thought somebody could step up who wasn't involved in the drama and could just say, hey, guys, can we stop this? Like, what are we doing here? This was all stupid. I didn't like it.

Okay. So the guys apparently convene in the car. And they say that, like, you know, I'm assuming they had this conversation. We're going to ask these guys, because we didn't have a group nighttime portion, we would like to make clear that we would like to be the priority at the cocktail party at the end of the week. And that is the corneous thing ever. that makes me not like these guys.

This is, again, protocol on the show that you go and, you know, like sometimes group dates end up one-on-one days at the end of it. And then you go to the cocktail party and you fight for yourself. You don't have a group meeting about who's going to have more time or the first time at the cocktail party than the next day. But anyway, that's what they decide to do. go upstairs, present this idea to the other guys that are just sitting there waiting. And I guess, like, some guys nod in the grants. And Devin is like, Devin's like, yeah, I understand. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

We'll make sure that you guys have priority. But he goes, but he does say, but it doesn't mean first of line. It doesn't mean that I'm going to, like, sit out. And then the next day, we get to that cocktail party. And it is drama because he takes her away first. Two things here. One, if these guys come back thinking they're owed this time. That's what I mean.

It's gross. It's always a weird thing on the show. Honestly, if they have an issue with how this evening went for them and that they didn't get time, you got to take that up with Jen. Because Jen's the one that decided to send you all home. she's the one that stayed back with Dylan she's the one that said the rest of you goodbye good riddins

go home go you do your thing this is not the other guy's problem don't make your problems my problems we say it very often here on the show and it feels like these guys are going to try to make their problem with not getting time the other guy's problem and they're all going to get together and have this really nice

moment be like yeah you know what I'll support you because why we're not friends yet like we don't know each other really yet I don't owe you anything thing here. And at the same time, if you don't get your own time, like if you haven't found out how to do that, you're mad at Devin for pulling him away during a group date. You could have done the same thing during this photo shoot. I know. These guys from the first group date to the second

group date, they like want everything to be like fair and balanced here. It's like, well, this is not, this is the bachelorette. I don't know what kind of show you think you're on. It's just very weird because here's the truth. These guys are legitimately upset. They're not actors. Nobody's paying them to get upset. These guys are somehow finding a way to get mad at Devon. And like I always say, the producers could be in their heads being like, aren't you so upset with Devin? How stupid is it that Devin's doing this? And these guys are like, yeah, yeah, I'm going to go at him. But they're not forcing them to say a word. You have a choice here to say something or not say something. These guys are all choosing to say something, to choosing to let

this rile them up and ruin this experience. That could be really great for them. At this point in time, on the show they have no reason to need to really stand out they just got to make it another week there's like 20 dudes there let those dudes sabotage themselves let them blow the whole thing up and then you can come in at the end and be like hey by the way jinn i'm still here they really thought that they're going to walk into the cocktail party and be like okay your turn your turn your turn your turn eight minutes with you so weird so dylan takes her or sorry devon takes her and yeah was he going to look, was, were they going to hate him for this? Yes, but he did say, not necessarily giving you guys first dibs. And then he goes up there, talks to her, and then Thomas goes marching upstairs

in one of the most embarrassing moments I've seen so early on in the show. And he's like, you pulls him aside and says, we talked about this. You're being disrespectful. The fact that he didn't think that one, pulling him aside in spending, wasting time on talking to Devin was, one, going to look bad. And two, just having this confrontation in front of Jen wasn't going to look bad. Like, what was going through his head that thought this was the right move? There's nothing that could have been going through his head that thought this was the right moves because it wasn't he wasn't thinking clearly he was hyped on the drama just like drinking it up he got very obsessed with it and then just ran up to it and then i you know if you do this behind

the scenes sometimes jen doesn't even find out lee never even knows you did this right in front of her like she's very much now jen's very smart she knows i she goes i know exactly who this guy is he is he is the disruptor he is the guy that's going to tell me at some point that somebody's not here for the right reasons and it's because he doesn't get along with every everybody and he doesn't like somebody so he's just pretty much telling me he doesn't like this person and then i'm going to send him home at some point i'm going to go to two and one with this guy send him home at some point because that's going to be the ass but it doesn't look good for him from this point forward it looks really awkward really hard to recover from this yeah it's really hard to

recover from this okay um any any non devon drama to talk about during the cocktail party There really isn't. It kind of takes up the whole thing right until the very end where obviously Devin still gets a rose. They're here another week. Now, I don't want anybody to listen to this and think I'm in team Devin. Exactly. Like, I'm not saying I like the dude. Yeah, I'm just saying I don't get it yet.

Like, I don't know why this guy, out of anybody there, is the one that's upsetting some people so much. I also want to know more about Aaron. I think Aaron's story is not even close to being finished. I had high expectations for Aaron because he has Noah's brother and he did come in probably with some insight into the show, yet he chooses to come on to the show fired up from the beginning. I'm hoping that cools down a bit because I want to like him. I want to root for him. I want to get to know him.

But right now we're seeing none of that outside of his arguments with Devin. And even the kind of the awkwardness with Jen by kind of reintroducing himself. And she's like, I just saw you today. Like, what do you think we do here? Like, you get five minutes with me at these first couple weeks. Like, I know you don't make me feel bad or make me question if you're upset that you don't know me well. enough for that. I haven't spent enough time with you yet. I haven't spent enough time with anybody yet. He makes me feel super uncomfortable. Watching him, it makes me feel weird. Well, 100% and the

expectation is way too much right now. Like, if you're, again, if you're going to be a partner to gin, one of the things you look at it as a lead at the beginning is who's actually being a partner to me? Like, who is letting me time to take a break? Who is keeping it chill? Who's maybe asking me some questions? So I'm not like the only one conversing here to myself and just wonder, you know, like give her some space and show her that you can be a good partner. and part of being a partner is understanding where they're at in life. Right now, Jen is in some chaos. She's trying to figure out what all your names are, for goodness sake.

Give her a break on if she spent enough time with you or who she spent more time with. She doesn't know anybody yet. Like, just let her chill. And then as this continues, we'll see the deeper relationships for them. Yeah. Also, I'll give the guys a second of benefit of the doubt just because, you know, how last season I had, I didn't have to. I wanted to and knew parts of the story

in which we're missing with Sydney's storyline and I had a lot of sympathy for her because some things aren't, of course, shown on TV. So I'm just thinking watching this episode was there something missing that Devin said, Devin did, that riled these guys up so hot? We're not seeing any of that yet. Again, as I said last season to you, Ashley,

we only know what we know and what we see. I know I know. So you, you know, we'll play those games of what about this and what about that, but then that doesn't do anybody any good because we don't know. We can make assumptions. We can guess, but we don't know. We know what we see. And that's who we're here to talk to is the audience that also is watching this

alongside of us. Yeah. Okay, the guys that were eliminated and there was absolutely no shockers in that group. I just don't know anybody's name at this point. They were all guys that we didn't know the names of. Yeah, so like it does even work, you know, for me, it's like, okay, good. In two weeks, I'll start knowing these guys' names. I don't know all these guys' names yet.

I know, like, four of them. That's why the top four is kind of difficult, but we are going to do our top fours. Ashley, I'll start with my top four. I think Hakeem and Marcus are in the top four. Heck yeah. Who else would I put at four? I mean, he's in my top four. Yeah, and then I'm going to do Grant and Sam.

I do think Sam is probably going to be in the top four the least amount of time for me. I just get this feeling that something's going to backfire. Grant Sam, as in Shambuth, Sam. Sean Booth meets Chase McNary. Sure, great. And then Hakeem and Marcus. Okay, okay. So I will change a little bit.

I think top four is definitely Sam. definitely Grant and Dylan and then probably Marcus and then probably Marcus. Yeah, okay. But I think that Marcus is the fourth. Fair, that's okay right now. Oh, and then, yeah, okay. So Dylan, Marcus, Sam, and who else I say? There's Grant, there's Jonathan.

Grant. I put Jared Grant in there. And then Jonathan is my top five. He's my, like, alternate. He's on the bench right now. Yeah. But another good episode from Jen. I absolutely love her as the Bachelorette. I think she's fantastic. I think she's a catch. I hope some of these dudes step up. I think there's a few that definitely are. But she deserves a really great guy. And I'm hoping she finds it from this mix. I'm not confident she will yet. I just, I, our kind of theory last week is, maybe playing out of my head more than never that she might not end up with anybody because i don't know if there's a guy here yet that she likes enough that she likes enough we'll have to see sam she likes enough but it's physical yeah and that comes and goes we all get old at some point uh actually i really am excited for the week ahead for you uh i hope you're not here the next time we record but you may be uh and i'm only hoping you're not here because i'm hoping that you're a mother of two at that point and that You're wild. Yeah, wild. You kind of take a break. I can't believe some of the last freedom time in your life is being spent with me on this show. But that's just how much you love the listeners. And we do love you listeners. So go out and review our podcast. Share a positive comment. If you have a negative one, don't share it. And rate us five stars. But until next time, I've been Ben.

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