The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - You Can’t Outrun the Past

Episode Date: September 25, 2024

Ben and Ashley have all the facts in two cases of Bachelor contestants with histories of restraining orders.  Find out everything that happened with one of Joan’s contestants on The Golden Bachelorette, and we have the latest on Devin’s public messages he posted on social media. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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highlight Gil Ramirez, who you might remember him from the first episode of the Golden Bachelorette. And here is the headline. The Golden Bachelorette contestant to have screen time reduced after restraining order revealed. Another contesting going into the The Bachelor franchise has a restraining order there has been one to obtain by people. Ashley Gilramir, as I remember him, obviously from his picture, handsome man, did have a little screen time in episode one, was not a main character, but this has all happened within the last week. Ashley, tell us more. So yes, he didn't have a lot of screen time in the first episode, nor will he be playing a big role in his episodes to come.

I don't, I think he gets eliminated early because the show has addressed this. They said that they are not only does he play a limited role in the series, but they will be cutting down his role even further. What happened was the time between the background check that they do during casting and him actually going to film the show is when this whole incident happened so he got the restraining order in between the background shack being done

and him going to leave for filming so it's truly slept it slipped through a crack his ex-girlfriend was granted a temporary restraining order against him on June 11th only a few days before the series began filming

a source close to the show told people magazine that upon learning about Ramirez's past the golden bachelorette has already edited his limited screen time. The source also said that the restraining order was granted, like I said, in the brief period between the completion of the background check and they still went through the exhaustive vetting process with him.

But the girlfriend said that despite telling him not to contact her anymore or come to her house, he still made repeated unwanted contact with her family members. and friends. There was 25 attempts to contact her in two weeks via phone, text, and video. Although he lives an hour away from her, he still showed up at places that she frequented to confront her on a daily basis. You know, this situation, I guess, makes more sense to me. Yeah, than the Devon situation.

The Devon situation we still have yet. to have clarity on at all because the show really hasn't came out and said anything towards it. And I think the reason is because the show realized, hey, we messed up and we tried to get away with one here and it didn't work. Now, for this to happen between the time of filming and when the restraining order or when the actual background check was done, it makes sense on how it could slip through the cracks. I understand this. He was still a psycho. Yeah. I mean, I still don't understand where and how they're vetting cast members at this point. And I am, I guess, for the show to come out and say their cutting screen time is fair.

The odd part of this, Ashley, to me, would be that the show only came out and said they're cutting screen time once this was brought to the public's attention, correct? Yeah, but I also think that they probably didn't even know about this legal issue before it came to the public's attention. Do you know what I mean? Like, I think they probably found out the same time since they had been already completed their background check. They probably didn't go back and check again.

What a wild week for them. I know. What a awful, awful week for them. Yeah. I mean, the fact that this Devon thing comes out, and I know they felt the heat, they felt the pressure, what they did with the pressure and the heat,

I still don't know, but they felt the heat, they felt the pressure from the Devin situation. They realized that they had to do something. I don't know what they've done at this point. And then probably two days later to come out and be like, yeah, and a guy that's currently on your television screens also has this, you know, a similar situation.

Probably made them go what in the world is happening. Because I do agree with you. They probably didn't know of the Gill situation because he isn't a main character. I don't think he lasts very long. They probably had him come and go and then kind of forgot, you know, his name even totally i also just like worth mentioning it's like stupid but it's also worth mentioning this guy was literally stalking this woman once he was already confirmed to be on the show that's weird that's weird the whole thing's weird but also like if you're stalking someone at the

age of 60 something i feel like you must have some sort of sketchy pass as well not that any of it's legal. I don't want to assume that he has, like, other legal issues that they didn't catch. I'm just saying that, like, probably not a guy that you would think would be an appealing option to cast, even if you didn't, I don't know, like, I guess people can keep their creepiness secret for a while. A foot washed up a shoe with some bones in it. They had no idea who it was. Most everything was burned up pretty good from the fire. that not a whole lot was salvageable.

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where we dive into managing flight anxiety. Listen to therapy for black girls on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Speaking of keeping your creepiness secret for a while, Devin's apology about releasing Jen's private text and statement on ex-girlfriend's restraining order. Now, we did cover this in length on a separate episode. However, there has been new things come out. This is provided by Red Banyan, the crisis communication firm that Devin has hired. So he recognized he was in crisis. He

recognized he was not doing any of this well on his own. However, he hires this firm. New stuff comes out. This stuff is not good. It is in relation to a former friend of his and texts that Devin sent this friend. I'm excited to not be talking about Devin any longer. And I'm hoping we can stop because it feels like every day is a new Devin thing. And it just feels like every day he continues to pretty much, I mean, his hole is as deep as it can get at this point. Like he's dug a really deep hole and he just continues to want to like wallow in it, it feels like. But anyways, Ashley, these texts have been released again by Red Banyan, the communications firm, his kind of helping Devin try to clear his name, walk us through what these texts are and kind of just how, I mean,

read i'm reading them right now they're just awful okay so let's just talk about his so he released the video in which he showed a whole bunch of screenshotsed texts some of which the first edition of the video had some sexual stuff in there between him and jem he went to instagram to issue the apology with the help supposedly of the crisis management PR firm and in a which he said that the girlfriend who had the restraining order against him actually ended up dropping it, which we knew that that it was dropped. But he says it was because they reconciled the relationship afterward.

Like, they started dating again. That's in the apology. Now, what happened is that reality Steve got a hold of a friend of this girl, the one that he had, that sent out the restraining order. And this is what the friend said. In the spring of 2017, Devin was issued a temporary restraining order following multiple instances of abuse against my friend.

This year, he made the bizarre decision to appear on The Bachelorette despite his well-documented history of violence. After his troubling on-screen behavior, the public uncovered his arrest record, including the restraining order. Yesterday, Devin attempted to discredit in the said apology. his ex-girlfriend and denied the existence of the restraining order despite clear public records to the contrary. I refuse to stand by as he continues to malign someone I care about, especially after the pain he caused seven years ago. In 2017, April, while repeatedly violating the restraining order, Devin made threats against his ex-girlfriend's friends and family.

I received disturbing messages from him filled with homophobic slurs and threats of violence. His attempt to manipulate the narrative is exactly what he did in 2017, while stalking his ex-girlfriend, burglarizing her home, burning the restraining order in front of her in her yard, and slashing her tire, and intimidating her friends and family. Devin's decision to go on national television has forced his victim to revisit a traumatic chapter in her life in a public forum and I will not allow his arrogance and refusal to take responsibility

inflict harm on someone I care about. Devin is a dangerous individual and a pathological liar. So then Reality Steve got a hold of the actual, I'm assuming that this guy or girl

who is sending who has posted what I just read sent Reality Steve the actual receipt. of what Devin said and it says this should I read it as I say and we as it's said and we should

bleep things out? Sure. Hey guess who's getting their fucking licked? L-I-C-K E-S next time I see you. Kicked. Sorry.

Don't want you getting confused. See you sooner than you think what you? Surprise someone puts their in that foul mouth of yours keep my and out of that

bull especially when dealing with me I think he meant name keep my name out of that asshole especially when dealing with me educate yourself this is in 2017 Ben is covering his mouth it's like

it's just it's brutal it's like hard for me to even hear because like I the only people that I've ever assumed talk this way are the robots on social media that are just like built to be mean like does that make sense like I've never heard a human like I don't know any humans in my life that would talk that way or if you have heard it you're like wow that's the most disgusting person I've ever I can't believe people like that exist and like you hear it like on a drunken college campus or something like that not that I have any personal I don't I can't remember an instance where I heard stuff like that, but like, it's just so hard to even, like, as you're reading it, I just don't, I can't, it's so hard to even, like, understand and compute. Okay, so it's out there now, right? This is there.

Devin has had now three weeks straight of controversy coming, and then him trying to cover up the controversy, controversy and it being a really failed attempt and where like Ashley like what do we go from here like what do what happens now are we just is it just like a write off like this is terrible and like I'm so glad Jin's out of this relationship and like let's move on or like what happens now I don't know I think we just hope that he never gets attention again what else would you think what had happened well I'm I guess there's two sides to it one would be this was a really bad thing for him to

go on and for the show to let him on that is clear like let's be clear about that he should have never been on this show the show should never let him on the show and what a dumb ass for signing up for the show and the other hope is that like he takes personal responsibility and learns from these things that are coming out and the reaction of the public being like what are you doing man

like this is like awful behavior like awful awful awful behavior so that he actually accepts it and tries to grow and learn from it and he does that behind the scene somewhere and we probably never hear about it or see it but he does it personally sure of course that's what we hope and but there's no other like victims and people that he hurts in this process uh along the way um you know this crisis management firm has been hired that typically is hired to get you removed from it like moved on from it like clears your name from it it. I don't think he needs his name cleared. Like, I don't think that's the helpful thing for him.

It feels like he needs to sit in this and be like, hey, I need a adjustment. Like, I need to do better. And I guess the hope is that he takes that personally. I don't know. Like, what do we do? I don't know. All I would say is that, like, he's going to be going back to his normal job. His normal job, he supposedly owns the company. So I was going to say that the only crisis management, I can imagine him having, to really get is

the fact that he was never going to be able to get a job again after this is out all over the internet but if he owns his own company then like it's like go back to your private life and get better in private, learn in private and you know it just feels like one of those situations where if we don't

like you don't want to not talk about it because it is headlines and Bachelor Nation it is something that is obviously very traumatizing for many and it's something that many people are saying, hey, yeah, but like let me get my voice out there because he's covering this up and this dude has definitely burnt some bridges along the way.

It just feels like with a Devin, we could go on for the next two months and talk about stuff that's going to probably be released that he's done or said to people. And that just feels unhealthy to me. Like, I don't want to talk about it. So do we not talk about it? I don't know.

That was my question. I don't know. It's just, it's getting hard. hard to yeah because we've already established that he's like a gross human or like yeah yeah yeah so like why do we harp on it and like give it more attention yeah i don't i don't know if it's necessary and if you're interested in it then like it's out there to consume but yeah but we don't need to give it any more of our breath it's been the topic that's been most covered from gin season since gen season some of that is warranted and i think some of that is healthy it feels like it's

no longer healthy. Like, we just need to be like, dude, this is messed up. But, like, Jen's season doesn't deserve to be marked because she was an incredible bachelorette. Like, we should be talking about her as an incredible bachelorette. And so she, I'm sure she feels it, but I want her to know it. And this just feels like it's a weird mark on this season. I don't know what to do with this information any longer.

I guess is my point. I sit here and I go, this is just, I'm tired of every week there being something new. and maybe we should be talking about it. And that's where we bring in you listeners. Should we continue to talk about it? Should this be something that week after week, when stuff comes out, do you want to hear about it? Or is it just time for all of us to be like, hey, yeah, this, we've established this is bad and we move on? I don't know.

That's my question. Yeah. And, you know, it's interesting is like looking back on his finale, I just called him a gross human. And it's like, that takes a bit. And I wouldn't ever call it. I don't know. I felt Icky. I felt gross watching him on after the final

rows, but I wouldn't say like he's a gross human except for now we have found out that he had a restraining order that he violated and then he slashed retires and then he burnt the restraining order in front of her and then he called this person all these names and yeah, so

now it's a whole other bulky. Lots of headlines we have for this week. Hopefully we get some up lifting headlines next week. That'd be good. Come on, Bachelor Nation.

Let's do something good. Let's do something cool. Until next time, I've been Ben. I've been Ashley. See ya. Follow the Ben and Ashley I, almost famous podcasts on IHartRadio or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.

I just normally do straight stand-up, but this is a bit different. What do you get when a true crime producer walks into a comedy club? Answer, a new podcast called Wisecrack, where a comedian finds some at the center of a chilling true crime story. Does anyone know what show they've come to see?

It's a story. It's about the scariest night of my life. This is Wisecrack, available now. Listen to Wisecrack on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Let's start with a quick puzzle. The answer is Ken Jennings' appearance on The Puzzler with A.J. Jacobs. The question is, what is the most entertaining list? listening experience in podcast land.

Jeopardy Truthers believe in... I guess they would be conspiracy theorists. That's right. To give you the answers and you still blew it. The puzzler. Listen on the I-Heart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Have you ever wished for a change but weren't sure how to make it? Maybe you felt stuck in a job, a place, or even a relationship.

I'm Emily Tish Sussman, and on she pivots, I dive into. the inspiring pivots of women who have taken big leaps in their lives and careers. I'm Gretchen Wittmer, Jody Sweetie. Monica Patton. Elaine Welteroff. Learn how to get comfortable pivoting because your life is going to be full of them. Listen to these women and more on She Pivots. Now on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. In sitcoms, when someone has a problem, they just blurt it out and move on.

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