The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast - Zach Attack with Gabi Elnicki

Episode Date: March 11, 2025

She's clearly got a thing for guys named Zach! Zach Shallcross' runner-up Gabi Elnicki, is here and she's sharing what made her feel unprotected and vindicated by that Zach! Then, she shares how she found love with her new Zach and why she credits him for her appearance on "The Bachelor."IG: @almost_famouspodcastSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hey, all, welcome to the Almost Famous Podcast. Today, we have somebody that we didn't get to have on the show when she was on the show. It is Gabby Elnicki. Am I saying that right? Yes, you nailed it. Great. The runner-up from Zach's season.

we had so much talk to you about, about Zach's season. Do you mind if we do a little like nostalgia trip before we get into your life today? Sure. I'm, yeah. No, I've like, it was a fever dream, but let's go back to it. Okay. One of my favorite questions to ask people is when you get out of the Bachelor bubble, when did you realize you're like, oh, that person and I were not actually supposed to keep me together?

oh goodness um i think it happened pretty quick i honestly think i realized i actually realized when i was there that he was not my person um but you know that i i digress but i realized there but when i got back i was like thank god no offense to him like him and katie are perfect together and i totally understand them as a couple and like being so close with katie i get it much more now like just me to be honest with you i'm like not probably nice enough um i don't think he could have like handled like me because i'm like sassy and like katie's like very sweet and she's just a nurse and like i know myself i'm like a little little feisty um and i don't think that we would have been compatible in the long run like i'm really kind and really sweet but

I can like I like pick at people like as a joke like I'm very sarcastic and I just don't know if that would have landed well I mean it makes sense now right like everything you're saying you went through the whole process you realize you're not the right person for him and that would be maybe a little confusing for some other seasons when the lead doesn't end up with somebody but you're like no I saw with my own eyes who he is meant for which means he's not for me, which makes it easier to move on. I mean, it makes it easier to just be like, this was a fun season of life, hopefully fun would be the way. Yeah, and like I'm so close with Katie and I'm so happy for her. We honestly see like Zach the Bachelor as like a totally different person than like her Zach that she has now. But we've gotten like I see Katie a lot and just hearing about their relationship, it's

totally different and I really think it's for the best like they've they're they're very happy and I think he's changed as a person since the show or at least from what like katy and I's conversations have been I think everyone has I mean you're in this bubble and you know he was having to be the bachelor so I'm sure that that comes with so much pressure so I just think it's everything has worked out the way that it has that it was supposed to during your season Zach kind of made fantasy week a thing and you were really the center of

that drama and I don't want to get too into it because this is the past however we're going into fantasy week I call it Fantasy Suite Fantasy Week with Grant what is your advice

to him and all other bachelors and bachelorets going forward about this week I think it should be called like disappointment week no matter what like just like you can't do this right week

yeah like nothing's gonna be up to expectations no matter what we're talking about here it's so true you're damned if you do you're damned if you don't no one can do it like unless like the thing is at the same time as it is a TV show

so like there is that level of entertainment right and we all know that when we go into the show but at the same time like i was going on to the show and leaving the show and same with katie knowing like i want a relationship from here i'm ready for that and it wasn't it wasn't just a tv show to us um and so like there's like a scene you see me and katie whispering to each other and it kind of you know some people took it one way some people took it another way but we like already had talked about this like multiple times like how it's going to play out and like how we feel about going into it.

And so, like, we were very close friends throughout the whole season. I think it's, that's a part that really made me realize he's not my person because he didn't protect me at all in that whole thing. Because you do have to remember this isn't just a TV show. So what you say actually impacts people in their real lives. And unfortunately, I was, you know, I got really attacked for that one. but it's okay like i've grown up and i'm like stronger for having gone through that but

i i knew in that moment somebody who's like a real partner to me wouldn't choose to not protect me because there were private times where like i think he could have had that conversation with katy or he didn't need to explain what his you know proclamation was for the week in my opinion whereas like Ariel left and she had heard the proclamation before and she didn't have any idea what had happened and so she was left being like what's going on and it just was very evident in that moment like my privacy was not a concern to him knowing that like people can take this and use it however they want on the internet whatever like people are going to come for me and I just think that really to me was

like telling of like this person isn't my partner because I felt like I wasn't protected by him in any capacity where I know he was trying to be respectful to Katie's feelings and I get that I just and there isn't like like we just said like there's no easy way to go about it but I do think he could have been a little more mindful of me I think one of the things that came out during Zach's season one of the biggest revelations that I've met Zach now, as you kind of mentioned, as not The Bachelor. He's a very nice man. But I am going to be critical of his season. But I also think it highlighted something that we hadn't seen in the past from the Leeds as much. He was very influenced by Sean Lowe, who was an amazing bachelor. He's a great

guy. Both these guys are good dudes. I have nothing but good things to say about both of them. But he was very influenced by Sean Lowe throughout the season. And I think what we saw was Zach was, and I don't think he meant to do this, he didn't purposely do this, but he was inauthentic in his decision making because I think he was trying to take an advice from the outside of people telling him how he should go about his experience. And as a result, it wasn't true to Zach. And so it got confusing to him because he was like, I'm going to say this because I want to do this because it feels like the right thing. Then he gets it in it. He makes other decisions because that wasn't really what he wanted or thought he could do or wanted to do. And then it ends up hurting all the

other people in the background. So we see in Zach's season, your season, is people get hurt due to inauthenticity. And I think that's one of the highlights is for a good lead now is you have to just be true to yourself. At least say what you're actually going to do and don't try to have somebody else's journey. I agree with that wholeheartedly. And I think knowing Zach, well, I don't really, I guess I shouldn't say I know him I don't hang out with him I hang out Katie so knowing Zach kind of um I do think he really he just wants a successful relationship and him and Katie really just want to have a life and a family together and I'm so happy for them for that and I think he saw what Sean had and he had kids it really worked out for him and he was like I am just blueprint like this

is the blueprint. And if I follow this, then it will work out for me as well. Well, it did work out for him. So everything works out as it should. But it does go to show that you really do have to be true to yourself in whatever it is. And, you know, it's okay. But yeah, you can't just follow somebody else just because you think it's the, you know, the right thing to do or that's what looks good or whatever it was. But you're right. He is on the trajectory of being the Sean Lowe and being the next guy after him to be married to the to his winner.

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like oh it's Katie I have to protect her and like kind of screw over Gabby maybe no I don't think That because I've talked to Katie about this and she was like, no, Zach's told me like, even like now, like he really says he didn't know until right before I knew. And I feel like I pulled back because I was like, I was like no one who really loves me, no one who really cares about me would take a chance on not protecting me.

And I understand you can be torn, but that doesn't mean you like don't protect someone that you really see a future with so maybe he couldn't see it in that moment but I could feel it I think there's like that like gut feeling you have and I was like this just isn't even if he that wasn't the case for me a partner in life that was a no for me like that was kind of the final straw but I will say I felt that way and I and I said to the producers I was like I need to talk to him before I meet his family because this isn't sitting right with me and I don't feel comfortable meeting his family until we like really hash this out and we had that conversation. And I felt better and then meeting his family, I think I was just craving like my family

so much and I just miss them so much. And his family, they really are like, I don't know, like a little Brady bunch. They're like, you can tell they're a family that really loves one another and it felt like home. And so I think that like, almost reignited my excitement of like, oh, well, you know, maybe I do really still care or like love him or I want to be with him. But then I remember like really doing some self-reflection to myself alone in my room in Thailand because I had a lot of time on my hands. And I just was like, this is not your person. You know this is not your person. So I really like, I remember I like had so much time to like mentally prepare myself for what was to come because I didn't want to leave Katie

because you're like in a you know you're like against other women and there's other people there and it's a weird environment and I knew that she had had doubts throughout the whole process as everyone does that's so normal like you're like is this real like am I in a like am I dreaming this like because it is it's extravagant. like you're on these crazy dates like no one's going to take you in a freaking helicopter like sorry we're not living in like 50 shades of gray like it's not happening most likely i mean some people sure i called it the disappointment suite if this was a real a week it's if it was a real 50 shades of gray thing going on then yeah of course call it the fantasy suite

yeah right the well for some people i suppose the red room yeah the red room of pain yeah Gabby, I have, I mean, I can tell right now, this is such a distant memory to you. Like, it wasn't that long ago, but like you're pulling out stuff that I can tell is not like fresh in your mind, that you've moved far past this. Yeah. And I think that's where I want to like lean into now is, you know, with your new relationship. And I believe your boyfriend right now is Zach, right? Yes.

His name is Zach. Good for you. You made a smart decision. Like, you must have been. have laughed so hard when you found him. I was like, can we like change your name? Perhaps. It's a little too soon. Now, for those that are listening, you know, who know your story from The Bachelor, which we just kind of walked through, but are unfamiliar now with this new relationship. Can you catch us all up on who he is and where your life stands today? Yeah, sure. So Zach actually

was one of my friends in Houston. I have known him for a few years. Which is actually very nice because I knew him when I had a boyfriend. And so we would go out together. And I got to watch him like in his like most true environment of like, you know, he's going out. He's talking to girls. And I got to see him like just how he acted as a man in his 20s. And he's always been just such a good friend to me when I went through my breakup that was really jarring to me and required a lot of therapy. to get through. He really encouraged me to go on the show. He was like, this is going to be really

good for you. You really can't lose anything. If you, you know, come back, you'll, you could possibly find someone. And if not, like, think about all of, like, the people that will see you and then you will find someone. And I was just crazy that he told you this. Like, he was really just, like, such a supportive friend through it. Him and my other friend, Macy. And, like, we, all three of us would hang out a lot and just like when I got back they were like two of the only people that I felt like I could like trust because they knew I was interviewing for The Bachelor and they didn't tell anyone. They just like were kind of like steel fortresses to me. And then like one night like we were we just went out to dinner together and I was like you're actually like really fun and like you're

pretty cute too. I like you. Is that way time out. Do you say those words to him or you're just thinking it no it was in my head it was in my head um no and yeah i guess just one thing led to another and here we are but i will say it was really hard what one thing led to another like i need to know the moment you kissed well how did you how do you take this step from best like friendships to oh well you just get drunk if we're being honest yeah we just had a little bit too much yeah we just had a little bit too much wine at dinner and then one thing won't do another that night that night okay well yeah but i've known like you know it was like yeah i've known him for you're you flirting with him beforehand

were you feeling something before this drunk night yeah we definitely used to flirt um and like he even it's so it's honestly horrible to say when like my ex would like not be if he was out of town and we'd go out together like he would pretend to me my boyfriend like you know fight the other men off and it was never anything but it's just so funny that he was always like my pretend boyfriend and then now he's like my real boyfriend um so maybe i was like manifesting something like years ago and i didn't even realize it but yeah i honestly never thought i was going to date him wow that's such a cute story i love it so now you guys have been together for two years not quite um i think it'll be i this is where it's like truly i'm

I'm in like a time warp. I don't really know what year it is. I think it'll be two years in June. We like really started dating in June of, all right. 20, 23. That makes sense. That adds up. Yes, it does.

Do you feel like this is your person? Definitely. I don't really see myself with anyone else. I mean, I feel like this is just a really good, healthy relationship. He's the first person I've really like genuinely, trusted and I feel like that's the difference with all my other relationships like if he goes out of town on a golf trip or he's out with his friends or I'm out with my friends like I feel like we really trust one another I never worry about oh he's not texting me back he's at the

club like oh he said his phone died like liar like it's none of that dialogue is going through my head and I feel like that's a sign of first of all maturity from my from me um so I'm growing up And second, I just think it's like a healthier relationship. He's very supportive of me. My family loves him. This is one of the first guys my family has loved, like genuinely loved. I was like after my last before Zach, the boyfriend before that, I was like never again, if one of you guys does not tell me that you hate my boyfriend, like we're done here.

You guys are out of the circle of trust. So they really love him. It's been really, really great. You have a quote out there that says that you, I mean, speaking to what you just were sharing, that was Zach, you never have to question, I think the quote was, like, where you're at. Like, there's a peace and a comfort there. Yeah. Which I would say for somebody who I just found out today, I've been dating my wife for a little over six and a half years.

It is one of the, like, looking back, biggest factors to knowing that it's your person, too. is that comfort, that peace that comes with a relationship. Yeah, I agree. I think it's something I hadn't felt before. Like, maybe I felt like safe or like comfortable in the sense of like, like you're just kind of, you're not doing anything else, but in you're comfortable, but not in a good way, not in a way where you're like, I know where we stand. I know what the future looks like.

I know my future like has you in it. and you don't want to be with anyone else. You know, like if somebody, I'm trying to think of who my, like, celebrity crush is. If, like, McDreamy walked in, I want to be like, bye, Zach. I'm not sure. It's not happening.

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Okay, so you guys just moved in together. Yeah. How has that transition been? It was like a not quite a year ago. A year ago in May. No, it's great. He let me decorate. That's a big thing.

That's a big thing. Yeah, no, he was literally like. Like, wow, I didn't realize how ugly things were until you got here. And I'll take that's correct, sir. Exactly. So, no, he loves it. I mean, yesterday we went to Barnes & Noble for like two hours while I like chose out cookbooks. And he was a very good companion in that.

He was like, honestly, I'm getting the food. So like, it's fine. I'll sit here while you choose these cookbooks. So we have like such a like fun little life here, which I really love. love. We honestly act like a really, like, old couple. We are like, I'm like a grandma. I like sew and cook and make bread and do like that kind of stuff. And he loves it. And he does the dishes. And that's, that's how our life works. And it's great. Sourdough is a thing these days, team. Anybody listening, I was just talking to my wife about it, she's been making the best

sourdough for the last like couple months. And I thought it was like this new wild thing that just decide to start doing. And then I'm realizing it's a thing now. Yeah. Making bread is out there, make it cool again in 2025. I think knitting comes in 2026. That's my prediction. I think we go bread this year, knitting clubs next year. We're back with wine and knitting. And goodness, my life is set forever. That's all I want. Gabby, we have a little bit of time left with you. And we're so happy for your relationship with Zach now, like the Zach that's in your life today. maybe the Zach before. And it feels like just from hearing you talk about it.

Like it does feel like this just like really exciting, peaceful relationship. And that's really fun for us to hear. I want to make a really weird pivot, though, back to The Bachelor a little bit and talk about your latest girls trip to Montana. Yeah. We followed it on social media here, almost famous.

It looked like a blast. I live in Denver, Montana, and we have a place up in Wyoming. And so this area of the country means a lot to me. And I love seeing you all kind of like enjoy it and take it over. We start with a question that so many are asking is, okay, we noticed all of the girls from Zach's season there, friends still, which is awesome. But Latia from this season was there as well. Obviously, she's not a part of Zach's season.

She's on this current season, grant season of The Bachelor. How did that happen? yeah um i think it's really cool grant season has some older girls um and latia's actually closer to like our age group um and just through general bachelor nation everyone kind of is connected whether it's just like showing general support or following each other that's just something that happens in bachelor nation so you know we started messaging her and she just seemed like really cool she clicked with a few of the girls and we're like let's invite her on a trip and i know this is a lot on her we've all been through it um just generally dealing with the filming and watching it all back um

we thought it'd be fun so she came on a trip she's amazing i love her she's super cool super down to earth just generally speaking a good time and she's might be coming to our rodeo weekend this weekend the other girls are coming to houston we're going to go to the rodeo and i think she might be coming goodness that's fun have you been keeping up with grand season i watched the highlights on TikTok. Okay. I was going to ask if she comes across in real life the way that she does on the show. I think her facial expressions are like really funny on the show and she doesn't have those kind of facial expressions in real life. Like her eyes and the scenes, I'm like, this is hilarious, but that doesn't actually happen. Did you get some tea about her time on the show? Obviously,

no spoilers here, but did she share her whole story? She shared snippets of it. And it sounds like Yeah, I mean, I was eavesdropping on a FaceTime call about one episode, somebody called her up about. And so, yeah, there's definitely some tea there, but I can't share it now. Yeah, that's okay. We respect the teas and the tea, but not the spoilers. This trip looked like a good time. Was it as good of a time as it looked on social media? one of those we're going to just share our highlights the rest of the time we were fighting yelling

and arguing with each other okay i will actually say this trip had a little more like drama than normal which was really weird we've never had drama on any of our trips but the really cool temperature really brings out a side of people um and i will say part part of that was because i was designated driver as was katy because we are the we're both from the north so we've endured snow but those people who are from like Ariel doesn't even have a license like she's from New York but she doesn't even have a license she's never like she's in a cab and I was like so you know if I'm driving in a snowstorm and I'm like I feel our car going off the road and you know the girls are in the back doing a TikTok with their lights on I'm like girls ladies let's stop it

right now is that where the drama came from um no but it just like generally like things there wasn't necessarily, I shouldn't say drama, it just was like there was tension of like things like that where I'd be like, okay, like we're not driving two hours away because there's a snowstorm. So like let's, I know it sounds so fun, but like we're not going to do that. Also, we went to the hot tub one day and it was so cold. I mean, it was so cold. We're like, it's going to be so fun because we were going to do the hot springs. But apparently because of how cold it was, the hot springs near us were like actually only lukewarm. So we're like, we can't do. that. Um, so we were going to the hot tub and Katie literally drove off the side of the road. So then the girls got stuck at the hot tub. So it was just honestly, I wish that people could have had a camera on us watching us because it was so funny because people were like, no, we got to get out of here. Like, I'm freezing. And it was like dramatic in that sense. But it was hilarious. So anyways, just like find a driver. That was what I was like, I was like, I don't. left. I was like, you know what, we're either coming back in the summer or we're hiring a driver because

I'm done here. We'll just do warm trips for everybody. Stop these cold things. I get it. Yes. As I always say, it's a shame that we don't have a spinoff show of our real lives after the show. There's so many relationships to document, including your relationship with Katie. Before we let you go, I just have to know, like, if you are ever in a room with Katie and Zach, like, Katie insists she's told us on the podcast. It's not awkward. It's not. It's not because seriously, like, Zach the Bachelor is so far removed from my life and like he is a different. We actually view him as a different person than like her Zach. And like it's just like I'm happy for her and I'm happy for him. And I think partially it's because I've moved on and I'm happy. Like if I had not moved on

and I was, you know, salty and angry, I'm not. I wanted the best. for Katie and she was one of my closest friends she still is and I want the best for Zach as well because like why would I wish ill will on him that would just be really weird um but no I like was in Austin uh last year and like Louis was with me my dog who he met like at my hometowns and you know it's funny I was like Louis do you remember Zach like it wasn't it's not awkward it's just like that was one stage of life and now we're in a different one and like Who's going to, like, I would never date someone and be like, oh, like, you used to date that person.

Like, ew, I'm actually done with you. Like, I'm not going to talk to you anymore. Like, it's just like, I don't know. We, we're, me and Katie are past it. And it was never a thing, really. For me, I would imagine, I think I asked Zach this question in a roundabout way. I don't know if he had the answer I was thinking he would have. I think it's probably really nice for him, too, because you want to get off the

show and you don't want to be like everybody hates me uh i have 30 enemies out there in this world nobody wants to talk to me again and for you all to want to still hang out with the person he chose which is very rare by the way like a very rare thing usually the person that gets chosen is kind of on their own little island and then also to not be like upset to see him uh is probably a really good compliment to him as a person but also a really good like thing for him to feel i at least i would expect so. You know what's so funny is you talked about the island well everyone thought I won and so for months while it was airing everyone still thought that I won from my season like all the girls so like I wasn't in the group chat because I was on the island and no one added me

and I was like first of all y'all suck my friend was Katie in the group chat just lying in the group chat and they were like talking shit about Zach and like literally like trolling Zach in the group chat and she's like ha ha ha like so funny like and I'm meanwhile I'm on my island I'm like hey guys like just so you know I got dumped in Thailand but does anyone want to be my friend yeah please like I like some friends from this oh goodness that just shows though what a great human Katie is to like she has she's taking it all she's and so of you I mean you guys have battled through this Gabby we're so happy for you that you are in this relationship now that Life is moving in this direction, it feels like, of excitement, of peace, of a whole new season.

Thank you for sharing all this today with us. Thank you for giving us the update on your life. And now that, you know, you can come here, we'd like to see again sometime and to catch up on, you know, maybe some big announcements that are coming your way in the next, like, 10 years or so. Like an engagement or something. Yeah, you just never know. I told Zach, give me, like, six more months. I need to, like, prepare myself.

but no thank you guys so much for having me it was great to talk to you guys and congrats to you both on your kids and all the excitement in your lives thank you it's a wild ride over here uh with that this has been the almost famous podcast today we've had gabby from zack season of the bachelor on until next time i've been ben i've been ashley see you guys bye or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts. Hi, my name is Enya Eumanzor. And I'm Drew Phillips. And we run a podcast called Emergency Intercom. If you're a crime junkie and you love crimes, we're not the podcast for you. But if you have unmedicated ADHD... Oh my God, perfect.

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