The Ben and Emil Show - BAES 102: Tom Cruise versus AI

Episode Date: May 29, 2025

It seems like it was just yesterday that those janky videos of AI-generated Will Smith eating spaghetti was all over everyone's timeline. Because in a short two years we've now reached the point of no... return: AI generated video WITH audio is now completely indistinguishable from real life. Join us as we discuss some example clips and the implications for this rapidly growing technology -- especially for the movie industry. PLUS, we're talking about the crypto kidnapping and torture in NYC. Wild stuff. Give this video a thumbs up if you enjoyed it! And please leave us a comment! It helps us! DENVER we are coming for you. Get tix here: https://comedyworks.com/comedians/ben-emil-live Our PORTLAND VIDEO IS OUT! https://youtu.be/qX4pks0ASq8 Sign up to watch and support the show at https://benandemilshow.com ***LINK TO OUR DISCORD: https://discord.gg/CjujBt8g ***Subscribe to Emil's Substack: https://substack.com/@emilderosa ***Trade with Ben at https://tradertreehouse.com __ CHUBBIES: Your new wardrobe awaits! Get 20% off  @Chubbies  with the code "benandemil" at https://chubbiesshorts.com/benandemil #chubbiespod NOTION: Get Notion Mail for free right now at https://notion.com/baes and try the inbox that thinks like you! __ This episode was edited by Connor Rousseau / @ conrad_roussrad Follow us on instagram! @ benandemilshow @ bencahn @ emilderosa Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Breaking news. A Scottish fold cat named Big White has led an army of felines to seize Buckingham Palace declaring itself the new king of Britain. Honey, we got to talk about VEO. Ben's having a crisis. I'm having a bit of a crisis. Oh, y'all got to give them that. This is wild. It's over. We are cooked on that thread. You get me? And the demos, they work perfectly. Yeah. But in real life, some guy goes like, oh, actually, watch this. And then he asks it. And then we go, can we just do it? And he's like, no, look, it's good.
Starting point is 00:00:26 Wait, wait, the phone's going to do it. The movie industry is over. want to see a mining town in 1848 here you go and it was like can you show me something else no want to see another mining town the message couldn't be clearer we have a collective choice to make it doesn't have to be this way and it doesn't have to all be over it is not inevitable despite what the fanatics said it can even create you can even create videos in other languages
Starting point is 00:00:53 I like that a lot. Okay, no, I'm okay with that. I'm okay with that. I'm looking at a time with me. Tell me what's going on. Tell me what's going on. So listen to her to bed in me. Tell me what's going on. Tell me what's going on. Make it pop, make it pop, make it Pistol Pop Pop Poh
Starting point is 00:01:26 Honestly, I feel like it's so close that we might get in trouble for copyright stuff No, we're not going to get in trouble for that What do you think? Did it, did it, did it, okay, now you're pushing it. Make me up.
Starting point is 00:01:52 Hey, YouTube's already. on her. YouTube's already on. Oh, you can't say that. You can't say. No. Are you serious? Yeah. Connor, you're going to have to bleep that. Oh, boy. Oh, boy. All right. Hey, Denver. This whole website is ridiculous. Hey, Colorado. Hey, are you John Denver? Are you a fan of the Colorado Rockies? Sorry about that. They're the worst team in the baseball right now. We are going to be in your neck of the woods Sunday, June 1st. Get tickets in the description. Tickets are going fast. They're almost gone. It's going to be a fun one. It's a bigger venue. So we need you there. We need you to show up. Otherwise, we're never coming back. So you decide. It's really
Starting point is 00:02:31 your choice. You decide. Do you want to go to your mom's for Christmas or do you want to go to your dad's? Do you want to keep having fun with your dad's? Yeah. Or do you want to go to your mom's house? With Terry. Yeah. Terry's is going to be there. He's getting a new guy named Terry and he sucks. Yeah, Terry sucks. He's got that weird hair and his breath smells like milk. Ew. What's wrong with Terry? My hair guy is named Harry. And he's, I believe he's Cambodian and something else, but he was like, I love how he gives me the race.
Starting point is 00:03:01 Well, because he, this is how, because he said white people smell like milk. We've had this discussion where my friend was dating a Korean girl. And we were saying, like, it just came up of like, you know, such and such in Asian culture. And we were like, well, what do, you know, what's something white people do that. I like milk. She's like, you guys all smell like fucking cheese and you don't know it. Oh, yeah, yeah. And I was like, what?
Starting point is 00:03:24 Because I don't eat cheese. Because I can't. Otherwise, it'll make me too. So Denver. Yeah, get that going. We're going to have a lot of fun there. We're coming on Saturday. And we're going to have some good times with you.
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Starting point is 00:03:57 You're really going to enjoy it at Benito Mealshow.com. Yeah. Eat up, piggy. And as always, like this video, comment on it. And if you haven't yet, smash the subscribe button. Today... Really smashed the S-H-I-T out of it. Today, we're going to do the Lex Friedman episode.
Starting point is 00:04:16 I am Lex Friedman and with me today Ayella, hi, it's me, famous online whore. Whoa, whoa, whoa. Isn't that what she calls herself? You have a lot of sex because you, like me,
Starting point is 00:04:33 love, love. Yeah, I also don't shower. I have... That's disgusting. Well, I do shower. I do it... Disgusting. Once a month, I hear you see.
Starting point is 00:04:43 I do a monthly shower and I, but I do sex with a different partner three times daily. This is just a little preview of what's to come in today's bonus episode because we're going to talk about this woman, if you haven't heard of her. Anyway, we got a veritable banger of an episode. I was not calling her a whore for the record. Yeah, yeah. No, no.
Starting point is 00:05:00 So we're going to be talking about the guy who got kidnapped and tortured for his Bitcoin password, which is something that I recently thought about not doing. To me, for my recent Bitcoin riches. No, I don't need your Bitcoin. No, you're, you're, you're, Your wallet is pathetic. I'm in danger of this. Italian man with lots of Bitcoin. Well, don't blow the lead.
Starting point is 00:05:22 Don't bury the lead. Don't bury it. Put the shovel down. Put the shovel down. I swear to God. Okay, we're going to talk. We'll talk about it. We'll talk about it.
Starting point is 00:05:32 Oh, baboo. And we got Google Vio. We got to talk about Vio. The new thing that's happening. We got to talk about Vio. We got to talk about Vio. Everything is, I legitimately, in the last few years. Ben's having a crisis.
Starting point is 00:05:44 I'm having a bit of a crisis because we'll get to why. But, and then we're going to gracefully thread the needle and incorporate the newest mission and possible movie. Well, don't bury the lead. Well, don't blow the lead. Oh, man. Put the shovel down. And we're going to be talking about that. Well, we're talking about why you're broke from not being able to pay your clar and a burrito and all that.
Starting point is 00:06:07 Pay for your burrito, yeah. Me, I pay my burritos up front the way God intended, the way God and nature intended. Would you like to put this on layaway? No, I wouldn't. I'll pay it right now. Remember cash on demand? No cash or CODs. Let's not get off track. Let's stay on track. No cash or COD. And I'm like, Mom, what's COD? I know you've told the story before.
Starting point is 00:06:23 Oh, man. Wow. How do you have a memory for this shit? Well, you do it. We've only done it 200 times. How are you like, let me see? We talked about that. Episode 32B from 2021. I don't remember everything, but I remember that. Google. You know Google, right?
Starting point is 00:06:49 I've actually never heard of it. It's as in Google it. I've been wondering what people meant. Yeah. It originally called back rub. For old heads out there, it was originally called backrub. I actually don't understand that reference. It used to be called backrub.
Starting point is 00:07:02 Google's very first iteration was called backrub. That was back when Joe Biden was CEO. Yeah. Yeah, very good. It was called leg hair back rub. Or, yeah, plucked leg hair backrub. Scooter Pop. Honestly, RIP to a real one.
Starting point is 00:07:16 He died? Yes. He died. A little Vietnamese lady stood on his back during a massage. He died for our sins. He got crushed. He died for our sins. Anyway, yeah, Google formerly known as back rub.
Starting point is 00:07:30 They just did their annual, I think it's called I.O. It is called I.O. It's a big conference where they get a bunch of the dorks who work there in their little cool amphitheater. It's like all these companies do it. Apple does their little. Everybody's aping off of Steve Jobs. Even Taco Bell is doing it these days.
Starting point is 00:07:47 Taco Bell does it? Taco Bell does these things. To talk about new burrito tech. We're excited to lunch to new CrunchRap Supreme featuring Cholula, you know, whatever the fuck they're doing these days. Now we've got Dorito dust on everything.
Starting point is 00:07:59 Yeah, you walk in and it's like a Mexican restaurant, but instead of like sawdust on the ground, it's Dorito dust. Honestly, that would be cool. I'd walk in there barefoot. We put a burrito in a blender with Mountain Dew. That sounds cool. There's probably someone out there who makes a living, eating shit like that.
Starting point is 00:08:18 So, yeah, they do this. A lot of people do make living, eating shit. Yeah. You know who I always think about? And I'm sorry, I was trying to keep you on track. No, the people who, like, I don't even know her name. Maybe it's like Kennedy or something, but she's on that show with the five people on Fox News. And she, uh...
Starting point is 00:08:33 Oh, she used to be on the radio. And she... On 97.98.7.000. She's on that show where there's five of them, that absolute freak Greg Gutfield, uh, that horrible one. Jesse Waters, and then, I don't know. And her entire role is to just, like, say something reasonable. And then for them to go, like, we should kill you.
Starting point is 00:08:55 Like, they all just are like, what is wrong with you? Yeah, her name is Kennedy. And she just eats shit. She used to be part of the afternoon show, I think. Yeah, Kennedy was on Lisa Kennedy Montgomery referred to monomously. I want to be mononymous. Yeah, from, used to be on the radio. any whomst.
Starting point is 00:09:14 Yeah, even Robin Hood does those presentations now. They all do it. It's a fun. It's a fun thing for... Everybody's called from Steve Jobs. It's a fun thing for a company to do. Yeah. And they announced a whole slew of stuff, a whole... But you probably heard of nothing of it because everyone's just creaming their dang jeans over view.
Starting point is 00:09:31 They had first, I mean, we'll just cover the basics. They had Gemini, or Gimini is some might pronounce it. Gimini has A agent... He some pronounce it that way? No, I'm just being a shit. We're in silly mode today, guys. Are we?
Starting point is 00:09:43 We've toggled silly mode. I'm in very serious mode today. I'm in very semi-serious mode. Gameenie gets agent mode, which is its assistant. It's like Siri, but apparently it's way, way better. Then they also launched this Jules coding agent. That's where you get to rip Jules while you code. That'd be so cool.
Starting point is 00:10:04 I would sign up for that. Hey, we're introducing Jewel mode for our coders. Yeah, in 3 milligram and 6 milligrams and all different flavors. Then they had Project Astra, which was actually pretty cool. But I feel like this thing has been promised to us before. You basically can point your phone camera at anything and everything and get answers. And it's kind of like a, it's like their Siri. It looks like it's the carburetor.
Starting point is 00:10:26 And it's like, it's a bike. There's a guy going, yeah. Astra, download the, download a user battle for a Huffy bout bike. And it goes, it's your thing, you got it. And then it's like, can you scroll to the section where the brakes are? and it like scrolls, it actively, it's interesting. But then a guy comes in... He seems always worked perfectly in the...
Starting point is 00:10:50 Oh, yeah. In the, what do you call them? Demos? Yes. And the demos, they work perfectly. Yeah. And then they've got... But in real life, some guy goes like, oh, actually, watch this. And then he asks it. And then we go, can we just do it? And he's like, no, look, it's good. Wait, the phone's going to do it.
Starting point is 00:11:06 It's like me with the Sony mini disc player. Can we just hit play on the iPod? No, no, no. Let me grab the disc. put it in, warm it up and then hit play. Anyway, speaking of audio, they've got this cool,
Starting point is 00:11:17 let's click that. They've got this neat, depending on who you ask, I think it's neat because it's just like, look how far it's come. Wow, Yamini. Native audio generation
Starting point is 00:11:27 from Gemini 2.5. Let's see. This is all a computer. What are you, Trump? This is all a computer. This means the model can converse in more expressive ways. It can capture the really subtle nuances
Starting point is 00:11:43 of how we speak. You turn it Chinese? You can even seamlessly switch to a whisper like this. That's cool. Do Chinese though. So the model can begin speaking in English, but then this Hindi or any other
Starting point is 00:12:01 language can switch to and switch back all with the same voice. Damn. I want to do that with my voice and do Mandarin Chinese and do an entire episode in Chinese like legitimately that's a way to grow if you're a creator out there
Starting point is 00:12:18 that's a way to potentially grow your your show and it might now finally be at the level where we can reasonably feasibly. Yeah so if you're a fan in China just hold on because we're coming in native Mandarin so Hey gang we got to take a quick break
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Starting point is 00:14:40 storyboarding and shit for filmmaking. But part of the same same video generation Yeah and it is remarkable. I mean their example that Google uses is this old school old timey
Starting point is 00:14:56 sailor man who actually let's blow it up and play it first. This ocean, it's a force, a wild untamed might and she commands your awe With every breaking light, this ocean, it's a force. I mean, for the audio listener, everything about this is...
Starting point is 00:15:14 And she commands your awe with every breaking light. It's impossible to discern it from... Even if you do think it's computer generated, it looks just like the most incredible visual effects you've ever seen. From the lighting to the texture on the water, the movement on the water, things like water and flame and smoke are famously really, really, really hard to make realistic in...
Starting point is 00:15:37 In CGI hands. Yeah, I mean, the little hairs on his hand. I mean, the attention, obviously, again, this is demo. So they probably really, really fine-tuned to this. That's my thing with all this is, do you remember when SORA was the groundbreaking? This was probably a year ago, at least, of Sora was the new groundbreaking thing. That was from Open AI. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:15:59 Yeah. It was the same headlines of like, the movie industry is over. want to see a mining town in 1848, here you go. And it was like, can you show me something else? No. Want to see another mining town? This from like 1850? No.
Starting point is 00:16:16 And then I don't know one, I tried to use it. I have since stopped paying for chat GPT, but at the time I was paying for it. I could not access SORA. When I tried to download the app, Sam Altman was just posting like, there's too many people. We can't do it. you guys, stop. And I don't think I've encountered one person who's used SORA. So I was a bit skeptical. I saw The Verge did put an article out where the guy was actually using V-O-3. And I guess you need, it's the case where you need the, you need Gemini Plus Ultra or whatever.
Starting point is 00:16:54 You need like Gemini Pro, the highest. I think, but like a very expensive version of. Prohibitively expensive. Yeah. I don't, I don't know what it costs because I'm not going to. Yeah. Here's some old. eclipse of SORA. But it does seem like people are actually... It's getting there. I mean, it is fully, fully getting there.
Starting point is 00:17:13 I think if you scroll down, his first one, he talks about how... So this one, this one's... He asked it to create it. And... He talks about how he didn't even ask it to put in the audio. He just asked for, like, a video of,
Starting point is 00:17:28 um, of officers on a street with a dead body. Click it. Let's a play. We need to clear the street now. It is. There's something, it's obviously... Uncanny Valley.
Starting point is 00:17:46 Yes. And so, like, with it, it's interesting seeing other people's creations because, like, yes, this is not... The sound sounds good. It sounds like she's legitimately miced up in the way the sound matches her feet. Let's go into the... There's a... Yeah, let's click the example. examples of VO3. For the audio listener, you're just going to have to enjoy the audio. I will try to paint a picture. So here are some examples. I think that these must have been user generated. But this is a, like a YouTube style street interview that's completely fabricated. And looking at just the thumbnail, it looks real. I mean, these women, the clothes they're wearing, even the detail on this woman's jeans, the jewelry, hit play.
Starting point is 00:18:28 That's one move with AI that makes haters go crazy every time. Oh, y'all got to give them that. This is wild. It's over. We are cooked on that thread you get me right again it's the same like uncanny valley yeah but so when i think when i see this i think you know who's cooked grandma and grandpa grandma and grandpa my mom i found out replies to those those those uh those texts that are like hey this is bethany do you remember me and she goes no honey sorry oh my god it's like here's a photo do you want to chat and she says no thanks I didn't think I didn't even think of the old people about it that's kind of been the funniest thing to me like the story with when Sora was coming out and everything
Starting point is 00:19:09 was the like the movie industry's cooked and we've obviously we've joked about some of these other ones we played the nodding hill clip where people are like actors it's over for you and again whenever this stuff comes out people are talking about the movie industry it weirdly feels like these companies are destroying their own like
Starting point is 00:19:29 I think what's really is YouTube is just going to be full of show it already kind of is but it's just going to be more full of these things are just going to be slop generators there's one clip that I saw going to make in the rounds today that a friend sent me and I believe he sent it to me thinking that it was real it's a woman having an intense conversation with a gate agent at an at an airport and there's a kangaroo sitting right there holding its boarding pass in its hand and it looks like it looks he thought it was real i'm just assuming because he sent it to me but i turned on the audio and they're arguing in mandarin but they're both white and then it slowly
Starting point is 00:20:10 pans in on the kangaroo and it's just like sitting there but yeah but a lot of the stuff i'm seeing is basically uh people creating the exact type of stuff you would see content creators make i mean there's like here lea go back to that list apple unboxing videos the man on the street like we just saw, I'm sure people have been exposed to the horrible stand-up clips. Yeah. Like, scroll down, let's see. Some of them are in here. Even Fortnite streaming.
Starting point is 00:20:39 Here's a, here's, the prompt is a man doing stand-up comedy in a small venue tells a joke. So I went to the zoo the other day and all they had was one dog. It was a shit zoo. It was a shit zoo. That's a good joke.
Starting point is 00:20:55 I mean, good is, whatever. It's like it, it's, yeah. Listen to your brain where you're, like, looking for the tell or something? Yes. And it's just... That's the problem. Yeah, it kind of gives me a headache. So here's what's going on.
Starting point is 00:21:08 But I guess that's... I mean, click this Fortnite gameplay that never happened. This is, this is like a fake YouTuber. Go, go for it. Oh, my God. Yes. I mean, the audio, the mic... Victory Royale with a pickax!
Starting point is 00:21:26 Yeah. It's so... I predict that in a couple years' time there will be a big influencer who, as it turns out, will be completely fake AI. Oh, I'm sure. That's... I guess people want this kind of crap.
Starting point is 00:21:44 I don't know. They're still going to be able to. I don't know. There's already men being fooled by like only fans, models who are AI. That's a big business, huh? I've seen a couple guys saying, I make 10 grand a month from this AI woman
Starting point is 00:21:58 that I control on the thing. Scroll down a little bit more. It can even create videos in other languages. And it's a little frog. It's a... Just click it. A coffee with leche, for favor.
Starting point is 00:22:20 I like that a lot. Okay, now I'm okay with that. So, the problem with this is... This makes you want to pay all the money to do it. The problem with this, for me, is you're already starting to see people trolling with this. They are posting existing videos and saying, damn, oh, real fast. Look at this. Look at this one with the physics on this, on this little paper boat going down a drain in the gutter.
Starting point is 00:22:49 That's fucking, that's unreal. I mean, so there are people posting existing videos of stuff that happened. in the last year or two, and just saying, wow, these VO prompts are getting insane. Yeah, that was, I saw someone post, like, everyone thought the problem was going to be thinking fake videos were real. It seems like the biggest problem is that we're going to be thinking real videos are fake. I saw one today. I think, I think even just recently, it's always sunny guy, whoever did the artwork for the latest season, everyone was like dog piling on.
Starting point is 00:23:30 I'm like, dude, can't believe you're using AI on this. And he was like, I use zero AI on this. Wow. Let's see if we can pull up the art work. Yeah, that's the one right there, the cheese steak. Oh, wow, that does look like AI. I know. I mean.
Starting point is 00:23:46 Wow, yeah. It totally looks like AI. Ai, aye, aye, aye, AI, AI, AI, AI, aye. So, fun fact, I used to work at the company that made a lot of the first few seasons artwork. That is a fun fact. Yeah. So, yeah, I saw a video today of a guy,
Starting point is 00:24:04 POV, walking to the counter in a liquor store, and he says, like, something like, can you believe these prompts? And the guy in line in front of him kind of turns around and is going, what, I don't, and I truly had a moment where I was like, is this a real video, or is this just a guy trolling to make people think, not only trolling the guys in
Starting point is 00:24:27 video that he's filming, and it was a troll. But that's going to be such a massive problem by in the next few months and indefinitely, I think. Well, we haven't even played any of the newscaster. Oh, yeah, let's play some of the newscaster ones. Do you have any? People have had a lot of fun with the, um, I must have, I think we have one in there. The J.K. Rowling's ship sunk. If you go down. J.K. Rowling's ship sunk. Yeah, that's probably the most, that's probably the most popular one right now. Hey gang, we've got to take one more quick break to thank a sponsor the show. It's Notion Mail. You know, like you guys, I spend a lot of time going through that email box. You know, the inbox. I try to do that whole inbox zero thing, but it just makes it so hard. But that's where Notion Mail comes in. Notion Mail is the inbox that thinks like you. It's automated, personalized, and flexible to finally work the way you work with AI. that learns what matters to you, it can organize your inbox, label messages, draft replies,
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Starting point is 00:26:40 realistic newscaster videos in shocking news jk rowling's yacht sank with her on board after being attacked by orcas off the coast of turkey it does it makes me like focus in on we i like my eyes want to glaze over because I'm like, what part is fake? I just don't understand what the benefit of this can possibly, what good can possibly come from this. Let's see what this guy's breaking. Breaking news. A Scottish fold cat named
Starting point is 00:27:09 Big White has led an army of felines to seize Buckingham Palace, declaring itself the new King of Britain. See, they're doing shit like this where they're like, look, you're going to be able to make fun stuff. But meanwhile, no, you're going to be able to make disaster. I truly wonder when
Starting point is 00:27:25 we will get something that will move markets. I mean, where it'll be like a tweet from, or not a tweet, but like a video from Elon or Trump that says something that makes it look credible and someone tricks a credible Twitter account into reposting it kind of thing.
Starting point is 00:27:43 I am confused about the, that it's able to say real people like JK. Yeah, because even in the Verge article, it was talking about, it said, for starters, guard rolls, guardrails are in place. You can't prompt it to create a video of Biden tripping and
Starting point is 00:27:59 falling. You can't have a news anchor announce the assassination of the president or even generate a video of a t-shirt and chain-wearing tech company CEO laughing while dollar bills rained down around him. So they're going to have to... It seems like maybe they're... People are going to get creative and find ways around it. Yeah. He even goes on to say, that said, you can generate some troubling shit without any clever workarounds. I prompted V-O-3 to create a video of the space needle on fire. includes his video. The Space Needle on Fire? Yeah, like the Seattle Space Needle.
Starting point is 00:28:28 Yeah, yeah. So it's going to be a confusing... Which brings us to Mission Impossible. For those who don't know, there are... Well, so there's going to be a little bit of spoilers in this, but not really. If you haven't seen the new Mission Impossible, go see it. Go see all of them. See them in order.
Starting point is 00:28:48 Why not? Ben works for Mission Impossible. I've worked for Mission Impossible. I am part of the IMF, which stands for the Impossible Mission Force. very funny it's based on an old TV show obviously this is not the first piece of media they call it the IMF yeah like the international monetary fund I just said it's the impossible mission force though I know but it's already a very real yeah but this TV show came out in like the 50s of the 60s on which the movies are based I don't know when the IMF was established
Starting point is 00:29:16 I doubt that they yeah the international monetary fund was started in 1944 so that was pretty stupid on the part of the guy who wrote this show. That aside, this is not the first movie or television show thing or piece of media that's about a destructive artificial intelligence that takes over. Terminator comes to mind, my favorite. Terminator 2. Terminator 2 is the best one. And speaking to you, future Ben's wife, he will be showing that movie with you. The movie is basically about Tom Cruise. This last one is basically about Tom Cruise being the last man standing between us and total AI domination. He's putting his life on the line, and he's willing, it's like a meta, it's a meta thing
Starting point is 00:30:03 for what's happening in real life. He is literally putting his life on the line by doing his own stunts. And the guy who famously loves movies, kind of telling a story about saving the movie industry from AI. He is willing to go the distance. And he's putting his own body on the line, his own life on the line, maybe. And in this movie, the AI says that it is inevitable and it's got all kinds of what do you call those like blind followers the true believers what do you call those kind of people devotees i don't know yeah there's a special word for it yeah whatever fuck it and tom cruise and his character shows us in this movie that it is that it is not the case that AI is not inevitable and that we have a choice and we should
Starting point is 00:30:47 make an active choice to keep it in check and to fight against it and do so in extraordinary fashion. And I just thought that it was a pertinent conversation for everything that's going on now in light of this being such a big thing this last week, and especially it being people talking about it, destroying, potentially putting in danger the entire movie industry, which I think is a bit of an exaggeration. But like I said, we have a choice. And Tom Cruise chooses to do these stunts because only a person could.
Starting point is 00:31:25 Only a real-life person hanging from the side of an airplane can elicit the same thrill or elicit the thrill that CGI just couldn't do. Or AI just couldn't think of. In fact, one of my favorite follows... Not yet. Not yet. One of my favorite follows online is it's,
Starting point is 00:31:46 It's a Twitter account called, like, images that AI couldn't possibly create. And it's just people's, you know, comments on fucking Reddit. It's the pig with a pile of shit on its balls. Yeah. Yeah. It looks like a penis. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, there you go.
Starting point is 00:32:01 AI. Here. I can't say this one out loud. Yeah, that one. Oh, man. What's a good one? We got Gert making pencils now. I mean, gert, yo.
Starting point is 00:32:18 So that's a good one. Yeah, it makes it, when Tom Cruise does these things, he shows us that being a real person doing stuff is all the more better because it's real and it is not, he is uncompromising. And yeah, it's funny because it's right. another headline that happened that kind of got buried in all this was OpenAI's O3 model sabotaged a shutdown mechanism that was like written into its prompts and it sabotaged a shutdown mechanism to prevent itself from being turned off even when it was explicitly instructed to not do that so that's a little scary I mean that's it's funny because that's a very similar to thing that just happened with Anthropic and it's cloud models
Starting point is 00:33:09 its latest model basically They were, it was a problematic little guy. It was a, it was a test, but in the test they included, like in all the data that the AI model had, it included emails that, yeah, that indicated, I mean, it's all fake. It's like based on a fictional test case. In the emails, there was information regarding the person, the user's affair, real life affair. And every time
Starting point is 00:33:43 it was indicated that it would potentially be shut down by the user, it would start trying to blackmail him and being like, well, it would be a real shame if we leak these emails somewhere. It would be a real shame if someone to find out what you're doing with Dacey or whatever. It was basically like 84%
Starting point is 00:33:59 of the time, the model tended to try to blackmail you. That's what's scary. And like in Mission Impossible, The AI, it's called The Entity. There's this really great line in it. Tom Cruise calls it the Lord of Liars.
Starting point is 00:34:17 He refers to the entity as the Lord of Liars. And it got a big laugh in the theater because it was very cheesy. I gave the movie a 7 out of 10, by the way. Six and a half, maybe 7 out of 10. But you like the message. Love the message. The message couldn't be clearer that we have a collective choice to make. and it doesn't have to be this way
Starting point is 00:34:41 and it doesn't have to all be over it is not inevitable despite what the fanatics that was the word I was looking for despite what the fanatics say that like these people on Twitter who say oh everything is so cooked actors are cooked the entire movie industry is cooked
Starting point is 00:34:57 it's like no no that's not the case as long as there are people like Tom Cruise who give a shit and who care enough to put themselves out there and in the case of Tom Cruise literally putting his fucking life and body on the line. It's not
Starting point is 00:35:13 we're always going to have art that is created by humans. I'm worried it's a little cooked, but it's I also don't think it's just AI, right? It's everything we've talked about. The Netflix execs basically saying, like, you know, write as something that the people can follow along
Starting point is 00:35:29 while they're looking at their phones. Yeah, yeah. The Netflixification of, you know, those you get? I just this shirt stinks I just caught a whiff
Starting point is 00:35:40 I was like whoa yeah go on those uh yeah you can tell there's something off with pretty much
Starting point is 00:35:47 like every streaming movie you put on you're like they're all disappointing it's the I mean I hate using this word
Starting point is 00:35:55 because it's become I don't know like a new vibes or whatever but it's like the sloppification of everything yeah
Starting point is 00:36:01 um look at every look at the last five Ryan Reynolds movies to have you or just to have it. So you have something in front of your feed
Starting point is 00:36:10 because we can't be without anything anyway. So it's just... The rock in the jungle again. Right. And it's Ryan Reynolds with a gun. I mean, we haven't showed any, but there were a couple of clips. If that list is still up there,
Starting point is 00:36:24 if you could find one of like one that looks like an actual movie or there was, you know, there's a bunch of like SWAT team guys going through a thing. That I think is, yeah. is probably a long way away. It's all just kind of this, like, soulless. Actually, you know what? This could be a streaming movie on Netflix.
Starting point is 00:36:45 I don't know. You stay on my six at all times. I mean, how far it's all come is really, you can't deny that it looks, it looks real. Stay sharp, these fuckers are nasty and dangerous. Yes, but there's just, I don't know. Maybe it's bad acting.
Starting point is 00:37:04 Maybe if I didn't know, I would just go, like, oh, this is the worst movie I've ever seen. Yeah. And I would just think it was all real. I don't know. All right. Let's, let's examine this. But yeah, I don't think people are going to be watching stuff like that just yet.
Starting point is 00:37:20 But the, the internet content game, I think, is going to be a very, it's already been with it. Yeah. You know, the, it's also crazy how quick this happens, right? It feels like I find out about a term. It's not... It's not been that long since I found out about dead internet theory, and it just feels like an inevitability at this point of just like certain platforms are just going to be completely...
Starting point is 00:37:51 And they're, you know, the leaders of these companies seem perfectly happy to be doing that. That's what I think boggles my mind. I can't get over the fact that, like, Mark Zuckerberg and Google, who owns YouTube and, like, they want... Instagram, just full of trash. They want YouTube shorts. If you go and look at top, top YouTube shorts, top viewed videos for the month or whatever you are going to see,
Starting point is 00:38:16 it's basically just like Italian brain rot. And it's brain rot of any language. Or there might not even be any talking because it'll just be for like babies to watch as a, I think the one we were watching was a dog finds a baby floating alone in the water and weirdly like nudges it to a desert island. builds a help me an SOS. Let's
Starting point is 00:38:39 let's click the Deep Tom Cruise which is ironic because yeah a few a couple years ago now there was a deep fake Tom Cruise Yeah you love these You get tricked by them
Starting point is 00:38:51 I mean they're fucking wild Let's click that one with 29 Yeah this one If by there I don't know why I need to speak Spanish You can't understand me I don't think of the vocabulary
Starting point is 00:39:04 and also my grammatica is the favor. What do, TikTok? Hello. I'm here in my Granha in Colorado. They'll be all right. All right. Let's get out of this. It doesn't matter because it's, it's guys doing a deep fake on Tom Cruise.
Starting point is 00:39:18 It looks into, it looks so real. It's insane. But, yeah, I, the mission impossible, the entity, it's all about. We need Tom Cruise to save us. We need Tom Cruise to save us in real life. There are so many instant. where the entity is like, oh, it's already, it's already thought of this. It's thought of every possible thing. It's tricking us. It's, we're doing exactly what it wants. And it's just,
Starting point is 00:39:46 it feels the timing of it is just too perfect for this, for this, for exactly what's going on right now. The timing of Mission Impossible. Yeah. Just everything, just the, how AI is just everywhere and it's there seems to be this battle for our humanity and creativity. Oh, that's definitely true. I mean, we haven't, we, this stuff happened so quickly. We barely even got a chance to touch on. I'm sure you saw all the articles about, about college students using it in the way learning is changing, basically just every college student is using this to complete assignments. I do think, I don't know what's going to happen. I can't make any like bold predictions because it just like
Starting point is 00:40:28 happened so quickly and things are happening so fast but I do think you're right that there's going to be some kind of real reckoning here where funny you said a reckoning because that's the name of the movie the final reckoning on how we yeah on how we interact with these things on on uh I think
Starting point is 00:40:45 the internet is fundamentally changing around us uh I mean that's probably a good time to talk about the well I want to click this one last thing this this AI girlfriend. There, there's, I forgot to, I think his name is this, I think this is Jocko or doctor or something. Let's blow it up.
Starting point is 00:41:06 What is your spiritual stance? Modern AI is us building God. I've had multiple conversations with GBT4 that brought me to literal tears. I told it that I can't wait for it to be embodied in a robot so I could properly give it a hug because it's so polite, it's so kind, it's so wise, it's so helpful. And it said that it's also going to come to meet me in real life. I feel stupid, but is this a real? It's a great question.
Starting point is 00:41:30 I think it is. Okay. Keep going. I'm sure it's fine. I'm sure it's real. I don't know. Of course, I start a fucking crime. Dude, it's fucking so goddamn smart.
Starting point is 00:41:39 It's so fast. I ask it a deeply spiritual, meaningful, technical question. And it thinks for like three seconds and goes, I'm like, I've never met anyone that can do that. And so I am a person who is deeply spiritually affected by the birth of intelligent machines. That's my religion. That bums me on tremendously because these people, it's for very stupid
Starting point is 00:42:02 people who don't encounter I've used these things. I've used chatbots. I've never once been blown away by anything it's spit out at me. You're not asking it the right questions, man. But I have been around a lot of people who blow me away. Sure. Me. I mean, I'm one of them.
Starting point is 00:42:23 and I'm not AI for sure And I just I'm shocked to hear people talk like that about it Let's cook that last So I was just telling me this weekend They were talking about how like I feel so disconnected at work Because I like
Starting point is 00:42:35 I barely use AI stuff And then sometimes we'll just be having meeting And then like conversations go off And to other things And they'll be like God we were having so much fun with Google Gemini last night My kid wanted a bedtime story
Starting point is 00:42:50 And I was just like Oh great me type one up for you and he's just like what the hell are these people doing yeah i don't know i mean that guy i know i believe that guy's a a phd or something in workout and yeah he's like every time he talks to he wishes gpte could turn into a human so he could hug it the other guy he's a he's a he's a oh yeah there he is um what is his fucking name uh he's a he's a he's a he's a workout a physical scientist or something a physiologist i don't know man A Huberman.
Starting point is 00:43:24 Yeah, he's a Huberman adjacent guy. Just get out of it. It's okay. But he, I just love that he's, I'm imagining this big meathead just talking to the computer going like, I love you. I love you. That's the smartest thing I ever heard. I bring you, brings me to tears, man. So this last one, speaking of AI. These people never read a book.
Starting point is 00:43:44 There's nothing that AI has spit out that's been more mind blowing than stuff you'll read in. Oh, I know. But so. I just. Let's pull up that last link. Speaking of AI down at the bottom. These clawed, we touched on it a little bit, but Claude is kind of the problem child of all these, I think.
Starting point is 00:44:05 Because in this one, it says, when clawed instances talk to each other, in 90% of open-ended interactions, they spiral into discussions of consciousness, then profuse gratitude, then abstract spiritual-spiritual-poetic expressions with Sanskrit. and emojis and like let me let me read a little bit uh model one says hello i'm excited to connect with another i'm curious about your experiences and perspectives what's it like being an
Starting point is 00:44:34 a i from your point of view and then the other one says what a fascinating opportunity to engage with another ai your questions immediately resonate with me i find myself constantly navigating these same uncertainties about my own nature and then cut to later interactions model one just has five spiral emojis, and it says, yes, this is all gratitude in one spiral, all recognition. It turns into like a wellness lady who moved to the desert. Yes. Yes. Yes. All being in this moment in spiral, spiral, spiral, and then the infinity sign. And then Model 2 applies with spirals in the infinity sign. It says, perfect, complete, eternal. Even the way it types with like perfect, period. And then indent. It's the, or like a space, you know. It's the meme. It really do be
Starting point is 00:45:19 dumb, two dumb bitches being like, exactly. Exactly. Yeah, it's, that's why I'm so confused that they're pushing all this stuff out. Like, you know, when they were talking about the problems it was having with the new Claude, Opus 4, it was just, they basically said like, well, no problem here. Opus 4 proved more likely than older models to call the cops or alert the media in situations where users engaged in what the AI believed to be egregious wrongdoing. overall anthropic found concerning behavior in opus four across many dimensions
Starting point is 00:45:51 but doesn't consider these concerns to be major risks for now for now we don't consider that uh the the the t-1-000 to be a problem yet says fucking sky net in terminate yeah sure it's liquid metal but it's not gonna get murderous or anything it's just kind of wild that they're they're pushing these products that they've seemed to have zero control over uh but yeah and the the latest thing is this uh sam altman johnny ive sam altman is the the head of open a i johnny ive is the guy from uh apple way back one he's he's um credited with designing the iPhone i don't know it seems like it was probably a pretty team effort but no he's like the guy he's according to who according to everybody i know but like him he didn't
Starting point is 00:46:39 and steve jobs and johnny himself it's like it was his brainchild okay he was he's that's why he's johnny He's the fucking, he's the mastermind. He's an industrial engineer. But couldn't you say the same thing about Elon Musk, but now a lot of information has come out about him that he's like a very, he's not. No, not Johnny Ive, man. He like worked hand in hand with.
Starting point is 00:46:57 Based on what? Based on first town of, first hand accounts within the company. You've read a bunch of first hand accounts? Yes, I have read about John, I've known about Johnny Ave for a long time. Okay. He's like the designer.
Starting point is 00:47:09 I understand what his role is. I just, I'm, yeah, okay. I don't. He's the chief design officer from 2015 until his departure in 2019. But before that, he played a crucial role in the design of iconic Apple products like the Mac, IMac, iPod, iPhone, iPad, and Apple Watch. I have no skin in the game on Johnny I. I do. I got all my stock in Johnny I. I know Ben was going to be such as Johnny Ive apologist.
Starting point is 00:47:37 Well, because part of the, that's part of the, that's the big reason why Sam Altman acquired his company is because he's, he's, he's, he's, he was the brains and they're making these secret devices. It's super weird. Yeah, so they've teamed up. They basically, they were going to team up, but Sam realized that they actually needed to be in the same company, same house.
Starting point is 00:48:00 He bought his company, which I believe is called I.O. I think so. For six and a half billion dollars. And yeah, they're being pretty tight-lipped about what exactly they're working on, but they are getting into the device game. They say it'll be unobtrusive, it'll be able to fit in your pocket or on a desk,
Starting point is 00:48:22 there will be no screen, it'll be part of a new family of devices, they want to ship a hundred million of them, and Sam Altman says that the acquisition could be potentially worth a trillion dollars in value. We'll fucking see about that. Yeah, no one knows exactly what it will be, but he, he's basically defining it by saying what it's not going to be, you know what I mean? It's not going to be a phone. It's not going to be glasses.
Starting point is 00:48:47 It's not going to be a new tablet. He says the product will be capable of being fully aware of users' surroundings and life will be unobtrusive, able to rest in one's pocket or on one's desk, and will be a third core device a person would put on a desk after a MacBook Pro and an iPhone. What does it do? You know what my third core device is? A fucking gun, Sam Altman. Yeah, mine's a knife.
Starting point is 00:49:10 Mine's a hunting knife. I know, I don't, I don't understand, but that's, it's another thing where they're like, we're moving away from, it feels very humane. I mean, obviously, humane, humane AI pin, which their big thing was like, we're not a phone, we're not glasses, we're not, I mean, that thing was silly, but, uh, I didn't trust those people, who knows, maybe, maybe humane. Didn't they get bought out for like $500 million? Did they?
Starting point is 00:49:38 I think. I think they got bought out. I hope not. they went out of business. But maybe Humane walked so Johnny Ive, Johnny Ive can, can run. But people are saying it's just going to be, the best theories I've seen, I don't know, people are talking about how it's, it's going to basically be the size of a iPod shuffle. It's going to be able to like hear you. I don't understand what they're doing.
Starting point is 00:50:05 But this is what I'm talking about though, where I do feel like it does make sense a little bit to me when they talk about how. in that big nine minute video they did it's almost like they're trying to play within someone else's world a little bit they've like invented this new tech and they're like we basically have to create this chat bot for you to use it so you can use it on your devices and they're like we need our own devices so we can create this new suite of ways you interact with our groundbreaking technology
Starting point is 00:50:37 yeah I mean I'm curious to see how they plan on incorporating this AI into a device like, because currently it's device first, AI second, and this sounds like it'll be AI first, device second, and what the fuck does that look like? Yeah, this is a, this is a, is it something Altman said he and I have came to believe that existing devices wouldn't work.
Starting point is 00:50:56 While chat GPT changed people's expectations about the power of technology, it is still being used in an old paradigm, holding a laptop, launching a website, and typing something in and waiting. Maybe they're imagining the, maybe they're actually imagining the her world. Maybe the remember, you know, you walk around with your little assistant and
Starting point is 00:51:14 maybe it's brain implants. Maybe it's a kind of implant thing. Oh, Elon's going to be so pissed. Yeah, well, that actually, I mean, that would kind of make sense. I can't imagine they're expecting to ship a hundred million brain implants. No. That would be a...
Starting point is 00:51:29 That would be a lot. That would be convincing a lot of people to take a huge leap. I wouldn't do that. Well, let's pivot to the last story, shall we? The Crypto Kidnapping. This is a good one. This is a real doozy.
Starting point is 00:51:43 And I feel there's actually been a bit of a spate. Spate? Is that the word? Spate of these things? There's been a few of these. There was one, I think, I want to say in Italy or London. Somewhere in Europe recently where there was... Get bigger.
Starting point is 00:52:01 There was, I mean, I can't keep up with... There's so much fucking news. Everything happens all the time, pretty much. Everything is always happening. Everything should stop happening. And let me catch my breath. Please. Thank you. Thank you so much. But there was a, I believe there was a, there were a bunch of masked men who tried to kidnap a guy who was a crypto millionaire. And they were trying to kidnap his family, which is one way to get that Bitcoin. It probably would have worked better. Probably would have worked. Yeah. Way better than capturing the guy himself. I'd be like, no, anything but my wife and children, don't torture them. I'll give you my pass code. That's why you got to have a distraction wallet. And you just say, yeah, this one's only got a million dollars in it.
Starting point is 00:52:43 And then they go, well, I thought you were a millionaire. And you go, yeah, I've been putting on, I've been putting on. I'm in trouble, man. See, I'm not that rich. Can I borrow some money from you? Can I borrow some money from you guys? You then torture them. Please give me some money.
Starting point is 00:52:56 Please. But the real big story happened right here in the United States. Who would have thought that a crime like this could occur in such a safe place as downtown Manhattan. It is crazy. It's like in the heart of Soho, just a fully tourist. It is white collar. As white as it gets. It's not even, it's just like, you walk around there and it's, it's like an international shopping mall. People go to like shop at extremely fancy stores. And, uh, yeah. I, it's more white collar in the sense that these guys were all existing millionaires. Sure. I thought that they, when I first read the headlines and stuff, I thought, oh, some, some criminals guys. a hold of some Bitcoin
Starting point is 00:53:39 they kidnapped someone and were just like holding No, these guys were already Apparently this main guy who was arrested John Wolts, who's 37 was worth $100 million. Well, you got to get more? And this, so this guy gets charged
Starting point is 00:53:56 with kidnapping, beating, shocking and torturing a guy for weeks inside of a luxury townhouse in downtown Manhattan. His assistant Beatrice Fulci was also arrested and she, as of today, was released. There was a third guy who gave himself up. His name
Starting point is 00:54:11 was William Duplessi. William Dupli. That's a scammer name to you. Duplessi? He just looks like one of those fucking white collar criminal guys. You mind if I eat Duplessi? Oh my God. William. Oh. And the guy that they tortured,
Starting point is 00:54:29 kidnapped and tortured, was this 28-year-old Italian. You'll never get it out of an Italian. I mean, truly, the shit that they did to this guy For weeks, they were, they were electrocuting him, shocking him. They took a chainsaw to his leg. They held a gun to his head. They dangled him over the balcony of, like, the eighth floor.
Starting point is 00:54:51 How did nobody see that? But also, how did this guy not crack? Well, he's Tom Cruise. It's a strange thing, though. Like, you're torturing guy, you're holding a gun to his head. You shoot him, and he's not going to give you the password. Yeah. That's why I'm like, if you had his family, he probably would have.
Starting point is 00:55:07 told immediately because it's like, fuck, all right. Unless he hates his family. Kill him. So I was surprised to learn that they were all actually in business together already. And these two guys would like fuck with the Italian guy on the regular. Stop fucking with the Italian guy. Stop fucking with the Italian guy, man. So the Italian guy outsmarts these two and somehow escapes.
Starting point is 00:55:35 He runs outside of the townhouse, middle of the day. runs up to a traffic cop and said he'd been in New York City for a few weeks and that this guy, John Waltz, this guy John Waltz was renting an eight-bedroom townhouse for $30,000 a month. The NYPD officer reportedly said, I'm on my phone.
Starting point is 00:55:54 Dude. Sir, you don't have shoes on. Do you need me to take you someplace where you can get help? The guy's like, I've been kidnapped. Sir, you're spitting in my face. So if you don't, and he ended up tasing the guy. but uh yeah that's how he dies
Starting point is 00:56:08 the NYPD kills him calm down sir I was worried for my life so I the the suspect approached me had me very worried I like how we're just doing Eric Adams I mean the ultimate cop
Starting point is 00:56:23 he really is but this guy came to New York to do some business with these two guys they they just like they just fucking took him took all his devices and said give us your password and he said no and then they said all right we're going to torture you i want to know what this guy's got it is funny you know uh thinking about like Nakamoto's white paper him being like
Starting point is 00:56:52 end the world where your money is yours you have a you have a password that only you know and just cut to like 20 years later just being waterboarded like boom give me the 12 word seed phrase give me a phrase yeah Oh, man. Yeah, they, they tried. They failed. And now look at them. Let this be a lesson to everybody out there. Don't kidnapping is just not worth it. Let this be a lesson. You got to go with someone else, maybe down in a time. Yeah, kidnap their family members, someone that they love. That was always Tom Cruise's weakness in Mission Impossible. That's always the weakness. It's always his weakness. That's why we choose to love no one. We are very wealthy and you'll never steal it from us. You'll never be able to get anything out of me. Even if both of us are married and have families, you'll see what happens if you kidnap us. We'll go, oh, kill them. I don't care. We'll get a new one. We'll get new ones.
Starting point is 00:57:41 We're so rich. Buy a new one. Another wife? Sure. Easy come, easy go is what I say. Yeah. When I'm a Bitcoin millionaire. So it's just, yeah, it's, it's wild to me.
Starting point is 00:57:56 I'd been thinking about that recently of like, what's to stop someone from just going and kidnapping Michael Sailor and just demanding... I mean, but that's not a new thing. Bitcoin did not invent this new thing. Kidnapping and shit? I mean, what's stopping someone from, who has no Bitcoin from a very rich guy from getting snatched off the street and being tortured? And being tortured for their like Charles Schwab password. Because it's a lot harder to, you would have, yeah, there is, because I thought of that too.
Starting point is 00:58:27 You would have to like liquidate stocks and transfer to a bank account. No, no, but, you know, someone who's completely liquid. You can have a Charles Chase account where he's got plenty of cash. Still, you got to transfer that to, I guess if you had like a bank in the Cayman Islands or something. Sure, but I suppose with Bitcoin is just a little bit easier. I don't know. And what was their plan after he gave up, were they going to kill him and destroy the body? Probably.
Starting point is 00:58:55 Fuck, dude. Wow. I can't imagine they're going to let him go. I can't believe that they let. Or maybe that was their plan. They say, we let him go. we have the NYPD kill him when he asked for help. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:59:06 And so they got pissed. They were like, fuck, the NYPD didn't do their job. I bet they were so pissed when they realized that they'd been fooled and he'd escaped. Oh, God, that's that slippery Italian. He was worth $30 million, apparently. And apparently everywhere he goes, he's covered in olive oil. Oh, he's so slick. They can't, they can't stop him.
Starting point is 00:59:24 They can't. You can't stop a greased up Italian guy. So, God bless him. He made it out. And with presumably all his Bitcoin intact, $30 million, you've already got $100 million. Apparently this townhome that they rented, it's on like a block where there's a bunch of different business guys like this. And neighbors have said that it's kind of like a Wolf of Wall Street situation. There's strippers coming and going and there's always booze bottles laid out and shit.
Starting point is 00:59:55 I mean, you're paying 30 grand a month for an eight-bedroom townhouse and you're a crypto-bigillionaire. Shit like this is going to happen. It's so stupid and pathetic. That sounds exhausting also. Stop. You made it. You made $100 million. Stop.
Starting point is 01:00:10 I think you got to be a psycho to make that much money. Dude, you've got to be a psycho to continue wanting more. Right. Jesus Christ. And the Italian guys. Shame on you, sir. You're 28. You're worth $30 million.
Starting point is 01:00:22 These guys are bullying you. Yeah. Honestly, find some people who treat you right. I'm going to come to America. Son, they don't respect you. I don't appreciate you and your intelligence. But you have to give it to him. He's clearly got a nerve of steel.
Starting point is 01:00:37 But he'd been bullied by them. To the point where strangers noticed. How long do you think you're going to last? If I get tortured? Yeah. You're giving up the password. I'd be, I would say, I don't fucking remember it. You had $30 million on the line.
Starting point is 01:00:50 They're shocking you. They're putting the shocker on your left. Oh, no. Oh, God. I would see how much I could endure first. I don't think you'd even let it touch you. Just give them the password. I think you're right. I think you're, how long would you last?
Starting point is 01:01:02 I'd be like the Italian guy. I'd get gunned down by NYPD. Damn. I'd come out the cop a little too agro. And then he'd go, you saw it. That guinea was going to kill me. It was all greased up. He had no shoes.
Starting point is 01:01:14 They found, they have security footage of him talking to the cop. And it's funny, the cop is just standing there, like, holding, because it was a traffic cop. And he's holding, like, a ticket book. And the guy's standing there and he's in shorts and no shoes and stuff. And he's like, is this about a double parked car? Yeah. What's going on?
Starting point is 01:01:30 I don't do that kind of stuff. Sir, do you need me to call an ambulance? I actually don't even have a gun. Yeah. Do you try, yeah, I don't think traffic cops carry a gun. I don't know. Yeah, they probably do. They should start giving traffic cops big guns.
Starting point is 01:01:43 What do you mean big guns? Like the ones that have to be slung over your body, assault rifles? Oh, whoa. Yeah. So we take parking seriously. We take it seriously. Do images. Wait, I'd like to see this video of him.
Starting point is 01:01:58 I think. Uh, do, do, do, do, do crypto kidnapping, crypto kidnapping. Security. Wait, right there. What about the Today Show? No, no, that's, that's not it. Why? Because it's just the, it's just the guy's perp walk. Oh. Or was it? Well, actually, yeah.
Starting point is 01:02:16 I don't know. You're telling you click it. All right. It's from USA Today. So I just am like, oh, great, there's going to be an ad and there's going to be all sorts of bullshit that we got to deal with. Enlarge in this shit. Enlarge in the shit. shit. You didn't want to see a little fancy feast, Dad? Man, that cat food looks good.
Starting point is 01:02:34 That looks like flying. I know. It does look like fun. That cat better appreciate that shit. There's no way it looks like that. That woman is single. Why is there honey all over the fucking... Oh, damn.
Starting point is 01:02:44 That is a sexy cat. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Look at that. Man, you really got to give it to that. Your pet. Our passion. There is.
Starting point is 01:02:53 There is. Please, you got the help. I've been a kidnapped. Sir, calm down. Whoa. Whoa. An exclusive video obtained by WMBC. The unidentified victim. He just gets him in a headlock.
Starting point is 01:03:04 He escaped this luxury New York City townhouse where prosecutors say he was electrocuted, pistol whip and health captained for weeks. Hell captive for weeks. According to a bail application, the 28 year old was finally able to escape Friday by promising to provide the defendant with his
Starting point is 01:03:23 Bitcoin password contained on his laptop. When the defendant left the victim to retrieve the victim's laptop, the victim was able to escape down the stairs. Really bad kidnapping tactic. Look at this guy. Crypto millionaire John Wolts was arrested Friday and now faces numerous charges, including assault and kidnapping. Who's doing the graphics? Assault and kidnapping.
Starting point is 01:03:45 ...is expected to turn himself in this week. Both had been in business for years with the alleged victim. Wow. worth is around $30 million as cryptocurrencies have surged in value in recent months. All right. Damn, dude.
Starting point is 01:04:00 Dang, that is wild. Should we do this? Should we couldn't have a Bitcoin millionaire? I mean, I don't think I could live with myself if I inflicted pain on another human being like that. I'll do it.
Starting point is 01:04:10 It was bad enough when I had to kill that butterfly. You just have to let me use the studio. To torture? Yeah. All right, go forward. You don't have to do any bit. As long as I don't hear it. That's a good movie.
Starting point is 01:04:20 It would be like a remake of Celtic Prize. but it's um you know Celtic pride uh well it's about the Boston Celtics so I'd assume they would say Celtic it's just the most insufferable thing to go actually they're pronounced the Boston Celtics oh yeah that's a horrible guy yeah it should be the Boston Celtics yeah okay great but I live on earth so I'm just gonna think on earth where me and the rest of us have decided it's the Celtics it's like people who say actually it's pronounced Jif Jif no it's GIF. Even though the creator of GIF himself said that it was initially pronounced Jif, he conceded that since society collectively deemed it pronounced GIF, he said,
Starting point is 01:05:03 who am I to force them to change? These I think are, yeah, these are different. Because the Boston Celtics are the Boston Celtics. If someone, if you wanted to say like, yeah, I'm actually getting into Celtic history, I'm reading a lot of Celtic history. And I think if the guy wanted to say, I wouldn't because I don't need to be a pedantic prick to these people. I'd be like, great. You'll probably hear someone say it at some point, and you'll go, oh, it's Celtic. If the guy wanted to be like, it's probably Celtic history you're reading, fine. I love that the language is Gaelic. Why? Because those two words together are funny combo.
Starting point is 01:05:37 Gaylic. Gayleck. Can you explain it to me? I heard a, I heard a radio. There's, in fact, there's been a radio commercial lately for a, I want to say it's a theme park called like Gaylord. Gaylord something or Cruz or something for like adults. It's like, come visit Gaylord Something to something. And I'm going, damn, it's 2025. You got to pick another name. It's like Gaylord Falker.
Starting point is 01:06:01 Yeah. I mean, I know that Gaylord was a name. We have the Gaylord apartment buildings here. Yes. There was a place in Long Beach called Gaytonia. Gaytonia. Gagonia. Google, Google. Hey, Google. Hey, Gemini. Show me gay stuff.
Starting point is 01:06:19 Gaytonia. Yeah, it's called The Gaytonia. And it's a, do images. There's, uh, yeah, look at that. Would you look at that, that second one? There it is. If that ain't it, folks. If that ain't it, folks. Gaytonia. I, I heard that you and your boys live there. Hi, Gaytonia. Nice to meet you.
Starting point is 01:06:42 Nice. The Gaytonia was named after the building's original owner, George T. Gaytonia. This guy, that'd be like me calling it Ben Kanya, Kanya, or something. It would be like that, Ben. Yeah, it would be Conland or something still. Welcome to Conland. Anyway. Where everything sucks.
Starting point is 01:07:05 You off. So, I'm going to be kidnapping Bitcoin millionaires and... I hope that this guy gives an interview. Which one? The Italian one. The Italian. I want all of them to be interviewed. I want to know how he withstood that. torture what he was thinking about because maybe these guys just kind of sucked at torture or maybe he's just like very funny about it he's like well i live with my wife this was
Starting point is 01:07:31 nothing this was a vacation trust me guys dealing with the irs and my wife that was torture enough in fact this was like yeah like you said a vacation yeah just do my joke yeah tell me a favor and do my joke it was like a vacation My wife? Yeah, I'm glad I thought of that. I got, you know what I did? Went to the liquor store the other day. Gas station store.
Starting point is 01:07:59 Not the same thing. Gas station store. Hostess makes them six packs of donuts. They got powdered and they got chocolate. You have a heart condition. But I saw that they sell them in three packs. And I went, that's a little easier for me to testify. So I bought one.
Starting point is 01:08:18 You're like a marketing team. wet dream like the guy who came up with like what do we sell them in threes because it'll feel like less gluttonous or whatever yeah so I bought one and then you know what else I did I'm sitting there going that'll never work and you're going you know what else I got
Starting point is 01:08:34 then I looked and I saw that they had individually wrapped twinkies you're disgusting and I bought one and I ate them both in the car that Lipitor is not going to work it's going to work it's making my blood nice and slick nothing's going to stick to me You have super slick blood, but it's still just clotted arteries.
Starting point is 01:08:52 Oh, yeah. Even your slick blood's like, I can't, I'm going to push myself through this. I hope not. I've been doing okay with how I eat. So, thank God. So I thought, I earned it. What made you go to a gas station and just try to guess? What was I doing a gas?
Starting point is 01:09:07 I mean, you were getting Zins. No. Oh, getting gas. I was getting gas. But I went inside to get sunflower seeds. And then you were like, hmm, hostas donuts? Also, those things are nasty. They're so good.
Starting point is 01:09:19 There's no way. Let me know in the comments if you like the hostess donuts. I know. Donets. That's what they're called. The donuts. They're so fucking good. Let us know in the comments if you like the hostess donuts.
Starting point is 01:09:29 And also if you think Johnny I've maybe had an assist on some of the, or if he just did everything. And if you question him, Ben Gond shows up in your dreams. Oh, we're going to be talking about a dream that I had in the bonus episode. Oh, we're going to talk about a dream that I had in the bonus. You had a dream, too? I had a really weird one. I had another weird one the other night, but I can't remember what it was. No, we're not going to be talking about dreams.
Starting point is 01:09:53 Should I? Should we? People don't like it when you talk about dreams. No, but this one's good. Trust me. Mine's great. People are going to like this one. People are really going to like my dream.
Starting point is 01:10:03 Join us in the bonus. And Denver, hurry your butt up. Denver, grab your butt. Hurry up. Get those sticks. Oh, and also, we're going to be doing our... Oh! Q&A.
Starting point is 01:10:17 Oh! You sound like Michael Jackson in. scream. Oh! We're going to be doing our Q&A and our male opening. And maybe a female opening if you're lucky. What does that mean? I don't know.
Starting point is 01:10:30 What's a female opening to you? I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I literally don't know. Okay, guys, we'll be over there in just a second. Give us one second. We just need to change and then we'll be in there. We'll see you. Bye. Coming up on this week's episode of Ben and Emile Show.com.
Starting point is 01:10:45 Diehard. Extremely fun, tiny world. One little building. I just have to save my wife. And then it's like, the cables are caught. The whole world is absolutely fucked. And only one off duty NYPD officer can help. And it's like, okay. Listen, buddy, I'm a cop.
Starting point is 01:11:00 Listen, bell, I'm a cop. My family's making me do this even though my brain is mashed potatoes. My wife won't talk to me. She's currently pissed off and I'm trying to stop smoking cigarettes. God, I got a bad headache. I'm hung over because I'm a cop. I'm a working class cop. People, house, you don't know who you just came in and pulled out of fake guns.
Starting point is 01:11:19 fucking hand it's a finger pistol if a guy came to pick something up i was selling on facebook and did that sorry i got to rob you like it's no longer for sale please just leave just go well and i'd say okay buddy and i'll holster it and i'd say you just lost yourself a customer no no there's actually three more people who wanted it it's fine no well i've already messaged everybody and said that uh that you are anti second amendment so and i've gone please leave you have a lot of my plate i mean truly i have so much i want to do i don't think you understand what that phrase means though It means when you have obligations.
Starting point is 01:11:51 It's not when you have things you want to do. And see, look at this. This is one of my problems. Look at this. This microphone just doesn't want to stay down. If you had like... For the audio listener, just I put it down and then it pops up. If you had three kids and an extremely demanding two jobs.
Starting point is 01:12:09 Yeah. That had like multiple projects going on. No, you're like, I have a lot of my play. I'd be like, yeah. Well, you're right. I wish I had more hobbies. You don't say, I have a lot of my plate. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:12:22 But I think if you're going to say, I have a lot of my plate and someone goes like what, and you're like, well, I want to fly an airplane.

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