BAES 103: Left and Right Unite over hating Palantir
00:00They're closing in on us.Not just us, but all of you, too.We're talking about the big database of Americans.I mean, I was just looking at this list.Anything that you can think of, anything.They know.He's been quiet about the whole information thing.Those trying to collect data.
00:16Big failure that was.Not really.They ended up getting a ton of data.Big success, that was.Americans love to decry about China.The surveillance, all these things they talk about.We can only have the things they hate about it.I'm like, give us the.
00:30upside down trains, too. They're like, none of that stuff.No, I don't know. But all the stuffwe say is horrible, we're taking that. Oh, but he'sNerfect. I've been kicked off health insurance becausethey think I'm not a citizen. I've been kicked offdating gaps for being a dog pervert.And then I have to prove to them that I am.How hard will that be to reverse
00:45for those individuals? That'sthe problem. Like, I'm not a dogpervert. You are a dog pervert. But thedata might show that. This guy likesdogs. He talks. He's Googling dogin dress a lot. Yeah, dog stuffof this guy's a dog pervert.I'm looking at a time with baby on me.
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03:17We all know that every... We all know that every episode of this show is good. It's been said.It has been said that this show is the best out there. Tell a friend. Butthis one in particular, we're going to be talking about all about that, uh, the fact that DonaldTrump might be, they're closing in on us. Not just us, but all of you, too.We're talking about the big, the big database of Americans. The big database, not the big mamabase, the big database. That they're, that they're going to, uh, they're going to be able,they already know so much stuff about us, you guys. I mean, I was just looking at this list.Anything that you can think of. Anything.
03:56they know they know all your shit uh so emil do you do you do you do you do you do youdo you think that you're safe you think you're safe he talks about how safe he is from thegovernment all the time i actually don't think i'm safe they know everything i don't think any of usare safe they know your active military active duty military status well i would hope he's not in it he'snot hope the government knew that is your addiction treatment records that okay they know that they knowyour adopted child's name, genderand placement agency? They know yourhell away from my adopted child. They know
04:28your adoptive parents' names. Say the hell awayfrom my adoptive parents. They knowyour, well, there's a lot of adoptionstuff. They know how much alimony. It just goes in alphabeticalorder, pal. Yeah, I know. They know how muchalimony you've paid and received, how muchfederal taxes you've gotten yourauto insurance, all of your auto insurance
04:45information, all of your, yougo into business, they know everything about you.The government really does know everything.Oh, boy. Place of birth. Thephysician, your physician name and number, all your photographs of all youridentification, the rent that you've received, royalties you've received, scholarshipstuff you've gotten. It says self-photograph. I don't know, I don't know what thatmeans. I don't know what that is either. It says sex. I think that must mean how much sex
05:12you're having. And if the government knows that, then what's up, government? They know how muchsex you're having? Yeah, don't you think I'm cool? Do you think, do you think we're doing a good job?You think it should be more or less government.If the government could let us know, everything as it pertains to your taxes, your student loans, your health insurance, all your gambling winnings, they know.They know everything.So Ben is trying to say the government has a lot of data on you, which is, which can be a problem.Could be a good thing if you'll hear us out.Maybe, maybe, just maybe, I might argue a little bit of a devil's advocate.
05:49But one thing, so what you're, when you're listing all those things out, what you're leaving out is that government agencies are collecting this data.But the government agencies don't have an easy way to talk to each other.No.But that's also...They speak different languages.It's inefficient, but it's also a bit by design, right?We value privacy.We value it over the efficiency.
06:12And so you don't want some random agency who's handling, I don't know, some kind of payment system to.be able to access private detailsabout maybe your medical recordsor anything else like that.But Trumpdoes. He'sbeen pushing this for a while. There was aexecutive order in March.
06:34It was called theStopping. Give me all your informationact. Not quite.The stopping what? Stopping waste, fraud,and abuse by eliminating information silos.Okay, so he... That's not a funacronym. I know. How did they do that?Swivelia.
06:48Yeah, come on.Get the acronym guy back in there.Those probably fired the acronym guy.We need Bush's interns, the guy who did Patriot Act.What was that again?Protecting.No one knows.Can we pull up the Patriot Act acronym for a second?
07:00That guy is a legend in the game.I think it's protecting American.They could have come up with some, but, uh...Proticting.Here we go.Providing appropriate tools required to intercept and obstruct terrorism.Beautiful.That's good.
07:16God, that's good.It's beautiful.I like that.But yeah, he wants to.He wants the federal government to be able to share data across agencies, you know, and he wants just a master list of all this personal information that people can just reach for whenever they're dealing with Americans.I wonder how we got to this point.Was it just that when a government agency pops up, when it's birthed, when it comes out of the womb, is it just they just kind of start from scratch their own method of collecting and analyzing?and storing data, and then there's just no, there's no consistency, there's no anything.
07:55And that sounds like, obviously, that's what Trump wants to do, is he wants there to be aconsistent thing.Yeah, but they're silo.So anytime you're dealing with a government agency throughout your life, yes, I don'tknow exactly where you would go to file your birth records or whatever, but they're goingto have records of your birth.So that agency will have that information.If you're being entered in public schools, they're going to have your schooling information,
08:17probably your vaccination records, that kind of stuff.Yeah, remember how big of a thing we all thought that was going to be?I was terrified.Oh, my permanent record.It's going on my permanent record.Yeah, like where, it's another one of those things that transcends geography.Where, where...Now we may actually have a permanent record, which is nice.
08:33Kids, it's going on your permanent record.You better be good.It's going on your permanent absolute fuck-ass permanent record.But so anyway, he signs this executive order as he signed a lot of executive ordersand no one can quite keep up with them all anyway, but it was, it's been, he's been quiet aboutthe whole information thing.We've seen the freakouts about Doge trying to collect data.Big failure that was.
08:56Not really.They ended up getting a ton of data.Big success, that was.A ton of data that they never should have had access to.Well, because a bunch of the former, a bunch of the Doge heads were former Palantir guys.So they're experts.I mean, that's what Palantir does.They take it to data.
09:14Right.And so he's been quiet about it since.But now everyone is seeing that.he's really getting embedded with Palantir,which we did an episode all aboutabout Palantir, but alsohow some of these othersecurity companies are using
09:29AI. If you don'tknow what Palantir is, you can go back and watch it.But basically, it's just this freak showof a tech company, founded byAlex Carp and Peter Thiel.I wouldn't say that they're a freak show.Why? Why are they freaks?Because they love data?
09:44They love data and they love using it to...Oh, I thought you meant that they were a freak showin that that, in thatthey were totally disorganized and stuff because they are highly organized in the sense thattheir CEO will just come out and like openly, uh, discuss his pleasure at his tech being usedto kill people. Yeah. That's the kind of freak show. And they, they've already gotten thisyear, or in the in the Trump administration so far, this Trump 2.0, they've already gotten aboutover $100 million in funding. They just won a contract with the Department of Defense for 790,
10:19million dollars they're talking to the social security administration and the irs they uh and they've gotthis product called foundry everyone loves found everybody loves foundry it's used in the departmentof homeland security and in health and human services it organizes and analyzes data and yeah the trumpadministration loves palanteer they do be loving palanteer and it's it's increasingly looking likePalantir is just going to be their fuckingnot golden goosebecause it's not laying eggs for it.Yeah, it's their golden data goose.
10:58Laying eggs.Yeah.But, and this is kind of crucial to...And it's all going to be done in the name of efficiency.Just like,yes.Doge was, it's all going to be, you know,when they try to sell this,
11:09even though it is surprising.There is a good amount of,I would say, right-wing backlashto the whole Palantir thing.People...uh people don't seem stoked on the idea of the comprehensive database of americans yeah yeah becausethat's not really good you see it turns out that all these guys they do still have someprinciples and not even trump they trust with with uh with all of our data that you can just search up
11:38and that's the thing so there's a there's a lot of democrats there's a lot of um critics who aresaying that the Trump administration calling for this one big sweeping overarching data set,database of all Americans opens the door for overreach.Hey, gang, we want to take a quick break to thank a sponsor of our show. It's Cash App.You know, everybody I know uses Cash App. It's the coolest thing, not to peer pressure youor anything, but I mean, if I know somebody doesn't have cash app, I'm like, what the heckare you thinking? Because if I need to square up a bill with you, we go out to dinner or something,you know I'm on that cash app. You know, we be using that. You're going to make me go to an ATM
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14:31the, the, anyone Trump deems kind of, in opposition to him and his party goals, will be able toable to, you know, they'll be able to keep an eye on. And then, I mean, you can use your imaginationfor any of the kind of things this could, this could be bad for. I mean, if you, I'm imaginingwomen who want access to abortions, birth control, all that kind of, all that kind of stuff,depending on what state they're in, or women who maybe travel across state lines to try to getthat stuff done. Yeah. And then punishing doctors who are,providing that kind of stuff.I imagine
15:15trans peoplewho are trying to seek treatment.So that's the thing isso far that's all speculation.But it's validspeculation.It's all justit's critics, it's Democrats,
15:32like I said, who are saying,hey, this is...Not just Democrats, though. I mean, this is coming from...But it's just thosepotential uses aretruly... I mean, it even says in thisNew York Times article that it's justtotal
15:44obviously the Trump administrationwouldn't say that that's what they're going to usethis shit for but that's avery it's a not a far leapto make that conclusionthat's what they would use it for. It's verynew. The freak out is coming because ofyou know the amount of contracts
16:02being awarded in the talk of the useof foundry to build these databasesand stuff like that.But we do have you know there's tons of reportingon ICE using these things.Yeah.And it's just becoming much easier to track movements, track new and current addresses, family members, places of employment, all this stuff.Why wouldn't, I wonder why certain people, like immigrants, for example, who, if people are concerned about it, couldn't, I wonder if they could just stop using smartphones.
16:37And it would, I wonder how much power that would take away.in terms of surveillance.I mean, I'm sure it's easierwhen you're not using that stuff.I'm sure it's way or harder, you mean,for them, for the government?Oh, it's easier to have a lower profileif you're not using that kind of stuff.
16:53But even then, I'm sure a flip phonebecause obviously you need a phone,but I do wonder...Yeah, I mean, that's the kind of stuffbecause, all right,obviously we are giving the governmenta lot of information,just like with all of our interactions
17:08with the government,but what we were talking aboutin the previous episode where we discussed Palantirwas all the information we justgive these companiessocial media platformI mean we're doing it ourselves and it is funnythinking back like
17:21you remember the guys who I don't knowthey kind of seemed likewackos a little bitany like early 2000s2010's guy who was likeno dude I'm not getting on Facebook I'm not givingthese companies my dad I was like dude come outget in here poke some people
17:37what are talking about yeahthose guys wereright. Those guys were right. And we have basically fed these companies. Everything. Yeah. They trulyhave everything. So I mean, so this is separate from like the government has all these officialrecords on us. But I mean, then just all these shopping, everything you're tweeting, everything you'rewatching, everything you're just anything you consume online. I wonder what they think of me. They're probablyjust like pervert, pervert.I'm just kidding. I'm not a pervert.
18:12I'm sure they think you're a pervert.Yeah, they probably think I'm going to be huge.If I had access to that.A dog pervert. That's what's funny is sometimes this data is unreliable.You are a dog pervert.Well, that's what some of the problem is.Some of these critics are pointing out is that all of this data combined togethercan often be totally unreliable and give you false conclusions.
18:33So, like, there was one, there was a case where the IRS was trying to use data toactually help people get tax credits for whatever thing they were eligible for.But the data that they were pulling from all these different, not organizations,but government entities, they would have different definitions of like what family is and what,Ohana means family.Ohana does mean family.Amen, brother.But they had all this different data sets that would draw false conclusions.
19:04And it begs the question like, okay, how often are we going to see?cases where data is going to be not necessarily misused, but misinterpreted, where peoplemight lose medical coverage or people might lose status on, you know, in their taxes or whateverit is. And then how hard will that be to reverse for those individuals? That's the problem.I mean, I'm not a dog pervert.but the data might show that.If they see so many photos of me on Instagram,the computer might be like,
19:44this guy likes dogs.He's buying dog shit.He's Googling dog in dress a lot.Yeah, dog stuff.This guy's a dog purpose.And then that might,because the Trump administration is so fucking twisted,they might be like,
19:56he's part of the LGBT communityand we're going to put him in one of the camps.It's like, I don't want to go in that camp.He's Googling a great pair of knees in a bikini.Oh, man.Can you imagine?That'd be so sexy.Oh, dude, we got to...
20:10By the way, they're not acknowledging Pride Month.But they said that they're not acknowledging any month.Good.I'm done with months.I don't even care about months.To me, it's just June.All right?To me, it's just the day.
20:23It's a good old-fashioned white June.That's the whitest month, June.It's the third.Don't worry what month.Yeah.No, it's, to me, it's just June.I mean, look, these mistakes are...I mean, their mistakes already happen.
20:36I've been kicked off.Nobody's nerficked.I've been kicked off health insurancebecause they think I'm not a citizen.I've been kicked off dating appsfor being a dog purper.And then I have to prove to them that I am.But, I mean, yeah, mixing these also with,
20:50you know, Palantir loves to touttheir AI systems that can scrapemassive amounts of data.That's the other thing, too.Even the information was siloed,but it was also such a massive amount of data.You're talking about, what, 350 million,American citizens, plus, you know, they're collecting data on immigrants and stuff.
21:11Anyone who earns income in this country, there's just massive amounts of data.And now they're saying, like, look, not only are we going to connect everyone so they can talkand share data, we also have these models that are going to make it really easy to,really easy to, like, scrape all this data and combine it into something useful for us.But I'm sure that those models are going to make the same hallucinations and mistakes thatall these models make.And I'm sure it'll be disastrous.I mean, you already see,
21:43remember the story with,it was just like a month ago.Ice was,uh,you know,going around asking people for papers or whatever.The guy is like,I'm a citizen.
21:52Gives him his like real ID.The,like,and,uh,the guy's just like,no,fuck you,
21:59you're not a citizen.And it's just like putting him in the dirt.Jesus.Everyone around is going,he's a citizen.Yeah.I'm sure this is just going to get worse and worse for people.It was funny to me because there are some former employees of Palantir who are like penning letters to stop.
22:17And they're saying one said the problem is not with the tech that Palantir makes, but how the Trump administration may use it.And it said, yeah, combining all of that data increases the risk of misuse.And the same employee said that other Palantir employees are worried about reputational damage to Palantir because of its work with the Trump administration.Dude, okay, did you read the whole letter?It's just funny to me that they're like my guy, where do you, I'm pretty sure Palantir's reputation already sucks.That's the, did you read the whole letter?Yeah.It's, it's just three pages in every paragraph I was like, because at first I was like, good, hell yeah, some people speaking out, but I was like, wait, what, what the hell are you talking about?
22:59The way they just like, okay, I mean, it obviously opens, if you don't know, Palantir is the name of,the seeing stones in Lord of the Rings.It's really annoying.It's just Silicon.And it's a good thing.Silicon Valley.No, it's, well, if you talk to a Palantir guy, they'd be like,because I guess it, I've never seen or read Lord of the Rings, but I guess,
23:22kill him.I guess in Lord of the Rings, it's, um, you know, they're, it's a fable for, um, they canbe used for good or bad.And you have to be careful with this all seeing power and everything like that.And Palantir people are like, we understand the, uh, the implications of this.or whatever. So they obviously open with talking about that. But once they're done talking aboutthat, they start off by just going, Palantir's leadership has abandoned its founding ideals.And I'm just like, what company do you think you're working for? Yeah.
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26:10I mean, and yeah.Well, and I guess I understand what they're trying to get at, which is, and it comes fromtheir official blog, too.They said, Palantir on their official blog said, we act as a data processor, not a datacontroller.It's basically like a, I guess this is kind of a poor analogy.or metaphor, whatever, butit's like a gun manufacturer saying,
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26:49awesome gun,we can't be held. Pretty much exactly whatthey're doing. Meanwhile, democracy facesescalating threats, biometric data collection onimmigrant children, journalists, but thisthe work you were doing. I don't, I'm soconfused. Boy, I really hope they don'tmisuse this tool for finding immigrants.
27:06Journalists being targeted.Science programs being defunded. And keyU.S. allies like Ukraine sideline, Trump'sadministration has sought to greatly expand executivepowers while alluding to monarchy.Recently, Trump's Secretary of DefensePete Hegseth removed distinguishedmilitary leaders from the Joint Chiefs of Staff
27:21for discriminatory reasons,replacing them with unqualifiedloyalists.This is,Peter Thiel was one of the founders of thisI mean this is the guy who has been talkingwhat was it 2007 2009 he gave that famous speechI'm still I've I've come to the conclusion
27:38that democracy isun incompatible withwith freedom or something like thathis like he is he has beena telegram like not a telegram telling youthis this is the guyJesus who's in charge of all thisand you guys are like well
27:57I don't know.It seems like now they're into like monarchy or whatever.It's like, yeah, your guy loves that shit.Peter Thiel, this message is for you.Why do you care so much?You won, my guy.No, I don't think they have.You are a proud gay man.
28:09Good for you.It is Pride Month after all.It's still Pride Month to me.It is June.It is white June.But it's also Pride Month.And I do want to give a huge shout out to you, Peter Thiel, because at the end of the day,you are a gay guy.
28:21And you're a billionaire gay guy.Why don't you just stop?Because what's the point?point. Not that has anything to do with him being a gay. But okay. But so why, why is itpower? Does he just getting off on power at this point? Because he's also like, I'm alibertarian and I believe in no government overreach. And yet at the same time, Palantir,we should give them, you know, this is the most, this is so antithetical to, to individual freedomwhen you're not only
28:56have helped to createthis monstrosity, butyou are encouraging the useof it under the guise of agreater overall freedomfor all. You're also giving him too much credit.So, like, he willcall himself a libertarian. These guys don't
29:11like ascribe to any of these ideals. Really, theyascribe to whatever works for them.And yeah, I do believe, I've been thinkingabout this a lot. I do think thatthe idea is power. I thinkwhat we're watching andit's probably already too late, I think is just like this weird kind of silent coup or changing of the guards or something. I think tech guys, like when you talk about freedom, I do think they feel very restrained. But they don't care if like me and you are regular people get their freedoms trampled on, right? They care about, well, what about me and my friends? We have all these ideas and stuff and we want to implement them. And you guys are getting in our way. Big government is making it really difficult for us to do the things we want. So take your money and go start anotherfucking country, dick.
29:54Well, they're actually doing thatin a lot of places.Good.So stop.They're trying to,it's,it's not good.It's,
29:59it's,it's, I think it'll be really,I think it'd be really bad for us.But I think they feel like,like, Wall Street has been in charge for so long.And Wall Street loves stability more than anything.They're like,let's keep it stable.
30:13Let's keep lowering costs.Let's figure out how we bring labor down,all that stuff.And we'll just keep cranking the dial.And they're like,shut up.Get out of the,like,
30:22we want to shake things up.And I think they're, I think you're seeing them do it.I think they've captured control.And there's really no one who can stop it at this point.I think Trump was like a perfect, I think Trump was a perfect, a perfect fit for it.He's, he's brash enough to do all this stuff.He's kind of like impressed by them and he likes to talk them up.And then J.D. Vance is a complete Peter Thiel construction.
30:49He's, uh, I need to, um, I'm going to infiltrate the,gay underworld you're going to infiltrate the gay and find and seduce peter teal and um i don't knowhow i don't know how exactly but i'll figure it out because he's single right i have no ideathat complicates my plan um yeah because that would be cool to to be like a uh a gay prostitute assassinor something and force him toI don't knowkidnap himoh I shouldn't say that kind of thing
31:28huh because then they're gonna get pissedand they're gonna know oh he's married to MattDan ZizenMatt Dan ZizenMatt's the only one who can save usMatt getGod suck him updo something for us Matt
31:44okay but I do really I think they've become this kind oflike or they envision themselves as thiskind of aristocracy and theywant this, uh, they all talk about monarchy. They read, you know, Curtis Yardin and talk about allthese things. They're like, we just need the great executive power. We need to stop being so,so fearful of the dictator. I just, I wonder what their vision of a utopia looks like then. Is itjust a bunch of, what is it? Is it people serving them? Yes. And I think, I think they look at,that's already how it is. They've already won. Yes, but they, I think they want to solve for a final time that
32:21I think that they don't like that that government represents any kind ofbullwark against them.And they view ordinary people as a big dumb-dums.Oh, I mean, that doesn't even begin to describe it.I think they view us as like kind of excess organic matter and it's this problem thatneeds to be solved.You know, what are we going to do with all this?But don't they want more people?
32:47Isn't that their whole thing now is like, we need more population boomingso that we don't have a population collapse.We need more workers, but also we're going to replace them with AI and robots.I mean, I think that's the great goal.The quicker they can get to that, AI and robots and the need for labor.I mean, I think that's their, like, greatest, their greatest issue.Is that, like, we despise ordinary people, but we still need them?I mean, yeah, have you ever been to fucking Disneyland?
33:18They all talk about, like,full of ordinary people.Ancient Greece and Romeas if they're like,they're like, that's what we need.They want,they want to be these like ubermensch guys with all the,and you know,
33:32they have the group chats and they're like,I need,we need more thought leaders on the group chats.And they like keep who can come inand talk about the ideas.Well,the White House came out and said,They didn't outright deny this stuff.
33:52They just reiterated their, the executive order is in place to eliminate information silosand to streamline data collection across all agencies to increase government efficiencyand save taxes, save money on taxes.And I will say, if this had been implemented, if something similar had been, if there was anencouragement of government sharing, 9-11 could have been averted.Because famously the CIA and the FBI did not share information.Well, I guess it depends who you ask.True, yeah.
34:23But so, oh, yeah, yeah.I mean, like I said, there is a need for some of this data consolidation because of the IRS, that thing from 10 years ago where they couldn't, there were differing definitions on things like family and income.Yeah, I do wonder at this point what other things that they, that Palantir would be capable of compiling on us, like beyond what.what the government knows, like, what would Palantir and shit be able to give?I mean, it's fucking freaky.I understand why you use, like, incognito mode on your phone, for example, but...Oh, that's how my wife doesn't go through my phone.Oh, that's how you write, too.
35:02That's not the government.The government, they could be a little looky-lose.Like, what if they had, like, our screen time and what clothes we buy and just reallygetting...It's so uncomfortable.It's like, when you read, it's like if anybody works in advertising, no.knows when you, I mean, it's a necessary evil for how the industry works, but when you start to break people down by like demographics, we're trying to reach white males age 18 to 35 who are interested in footwear and so and so and also blah, you know, and it's just like, ah, damn, at the end of the day, we are just all demographics who can be filed. We are data. We are. And that's okay. I'm okay being a data point. But I, I,I just, and I'm jealous also because I want, I want to see, I want to see what they got on me.
35:58Let us play with it. If you're going to know that, at least play with it.Truly, let us access it. Let me have 15 minutes alone with my data.And I want to see, I want to hold the mirror up to myself. It'd probably be very upsetting.It's like the screen time. When the screen, your phone goes, look at what a piece of shit freak you are.You have no self-control. Oh, you were on this shit for someone so hours, you fucking animal.what's the matter with youor like Uber or one of these appsnow I think shows
36:24I think it's Uberthat shows you took this many rides and youdrove this many miles and youyou orderedX hundreds or thousandsof dollars worth of food it's like fuckdon't tell me that shitHey gang we got to take one more
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38:22If God is listening, if God is real, I want access to all my personal data when I die.I want to be able to sit at the heavenly computer and query the database and pull up everything.And I mean everything.I want to know how much time I spent total brushing my teeth, clipping my toenails.I want to know how much time I spent driving or sleeping.being, I want to know all, all my stats.Like at the end of a video game, I want to know all my stats.I think that would be so fun.
38:54I think that's what we deserve at the end of this,this thing called life, this crazy thing.Once I get off this crazy thing, I want to know my stats.You want to know the GTA ending.I want to know my ranking above other humans.I want to know where I ranked among all the other humans.Where did I rank number one?For what?
39:13For whatever.I don't know.I want to organize by that.Shit's taken.I want to see.Sure. Grow up. All right. Shit's taken. Poops. I know that I'm not number one. I know that there are people with like all sort of politis who are taking way more poops than me. But, you know, there's like someone, someone tweeted however long ago, they said every day, someone on earth takes the biggest poop in the world for that day and they don't know it. And I want to know. For example, was I ever that person?I'm sure you were. No, I wasn't. There's no way. I'm not big. I just so pissed at me. But you're sure.that I'm, I had the biggest poop?
39:49I don't know. You said, I wonder if I was. And I said, sure, you're wondering, but then...Oh, yeah. I thought you were saying, sure. You probably did. I'm like, no, I definitely didn't. But I want to know where I ranked. Maybe I was third place one time.Well, with the power of foundry, maybe you'll be able to know. You can have a little GTA death screen.And it's that kind of thing that I'm sure everybody at Palantir loves. They love that kind of data stuff. But yeah, you would think that they'd be...I'm sure they don't love that kind of data stuff. Yeah, you're right. That's like total.crap data.Did you find the thingyou were looking for?
40:24Yeah, it's just, I was laughingbecause you can look at your history.If you use the Translate app,you can use the history.And I remember it for a long time,I turned it off on Google.Someone showed me how you can turn,like basically so it doesn't store your stuff.
40:40But it makes...Just in the Translate app.No, no, like across everything.Got it.But it makes Google useless.I remember just like...Not useless, but like, you know how if there's a place you go pretty often?You'll, like, go into Google Maps and you'll search and it'll come up.
40:58It'll come up.Yeah.Or, like, you just scroll back a little bit and you'll see the address.It made it so every time I go, God, what was that fucking address?And I had to, like, text people because I can't find it.It just made everything so much more difficult.It doesn't remember any of your settings.I don't know who you are?
41:14Just take my data.How am I supposed to know who you are?Yeah.But I had no idea that they had.had a complete history of all the things I searched in, um, on, on the translate section. And I was like,wow. And I just started scrolling through it. And I was laughing at this one on October 31st,2022. Halloween. And then November 1st, 22. Day after Halloween. Well, I think it was the eveninginto, oh, oh, oh, oh, were you in Greece? No, I was in Japan. Oh, we were in Japan. Oh, God.
41:45So like October 31st.I genuinelyI was trying soI was racking my brainbeing likewhat was I doingbut so likeI think late night
41:56October 31stI writedo you have worked tomorrowand thenlater onjustpleasepussy
42:06wait what the fuckI have no ideait could have beencompletely harmlessbut it just made me laughand I was likewow that's a funnyI mean I know
42:15might be some guyat Googlejust being like, ugh, gross.What is this guy fucking doing?Yeah.This guy trying to get laid in Japan.I do also wonder, I mean, there's got to be people.If, I do wonder how much access everyday employees at Google, not everyday employees,
42:33but certain higher level employees at Google have to this kind of stuff.I have no idea.I, because, man, I just don't.I, I'm a bit of a, I'm sure they get broad data collection.If they're, because I'm sure they're analyzing.It's all numbers and shit.Yeah, they want to know how much screen time people are using Gmail.They want to know how often people are using their Fitbits.
42:58If people buy Fitbits and then get rid of them six months later, they want to know all this stuff.What apps they would use it to track, like, are they tracking sleep?Are they tracking fitness?That's what always surprises me because I'm such an early Internet head where all of this stuff that's entirelynormal and commonplace today felt totallyjust improbable in the early days of the internet.Yeah, like I was telling you about like people who were likeknowing shit. I'm not getting on that and giving it all my data and I was being like
43:29dude, you're a loser. Get on here. It's not. I just didn't thinkI guess I just didn't know the extent of what apps are capable of trackingnow like behind the scenes on the phone. Anda good example is my friend used to work for a company that since has gotten acquired.I forgot by who, but it was a shopping thing and a shopping company that didn't deal with consumers.It dealt, it was for like clothing companies and it could track, I don't know how, but it could track how long your customers.Well, obviously this kind of makes sense now, but like how long customers were on your website.like how long they just keeping stuff in their shopping carts and then what websites they
44:21went to after that and from that they were able to pull actionable data that was valuableenough to companies to buy like oh yeah we want to know did they put this type of shoe intheir cart why that day what time of day was it what are they thinking and it's like thereis enough there to build a kind of psychological profilethat's where it's almost like the scariest thing to me is every time I look at an ad onInstagram yeah when it feeds me like a clothing ad every time I go fuck that is my fuckingshit like I want that wow it's so annoying yeah I'm like that guy is fucking like wearing theperfect outfit yeah I mean there are certain things obviously where this data can be used
45:09in a in a productive way that we can all benefit from obviously Iwould love that. I would love for it to show melike, hey, can you just make the... The idea of datacollection itself is not...It's not an evil thing.No. It's how you use it. This is the problem.When you're talking about, like, the Privacy Actin the 70s, all these things that were like built to
45:27protect us becauselook, not everyone's going to be somebeneficent ruler. Uh, you know,these things... And it is funny.You know, all the things thatAmericans love to decry about Chinalike the surveillance all these things they talk about we can only have the things they hate about itI'm like if you're gonna fucking at least give us the upside down trains too you know what I mean
45:53it's like let's they're like none of that stuff no no but all the stuff we say is horrible we'retaking that yeah we're getting that and we're going to use it to it really does feel like justsuch major fucking gas lighting I mean it feels really bad when you know I think uh I I fearfor journalism in this country.I think Trump is clearly very hostileto journalists who...I mean, it's not even that hardto call him. I mean, he's just an out-and-out liar.
46:24He's trying to pull the wool over it from his eyes.That kind of stuff.Making it very easy tomake people's lives hell, he deemsenemies of his national project.I just don't be croaks, man.And the way he talks, you know, the way he talks,it's not like, it's not someone you would put above
46:49using these things for ills.I, again, I just, sorry to backtrack and jump around a lot, butit's okay.I really just want to know, I really want to know, I forgot what movie it was,but there was some movie or piece of media where it might have beenfucking fight club or something, sorry, butjust when you think that you are a unique individual who has their own opinions on thingsand their own unique experiences that have formulated those opinions,
47:21there's a really, really strong argument to be made that you are, no,you are just simply, mostly a product of all of the influence that has been force-fed to youvia advertisements, TV showsall sorts of shit over the courseof your life. Andjust out theresomewhere in somedatabase for
47:46an advertiser is you.It's your little column in that row ofMicrosoft Excel data that it'slike, oh, he's ahe's a Caucasian male in his30s, straight, likesthis, internetsearch history, questionable,
48:03likes dogs, likeshis dog yada yada yada and i just want to see i just want to see what the computer thinks of me i wantto know what the because then it also i like how your primary concern is just if the if thecomputer thinks you're a dofuss no i just yeah i just at the you're right there's a lot ofdangerous stuff going on but what about benny boy yeah what is the computer think of me does itthink i'm cool because then it's like if we're going to end up having super powerful AI whichby the way is increasingly showing signs of pushing back against the humancontrollers, which is great. Really, really good stuff. We talked about it. The one, the clod that was
48:42manipulating. Oh, sure, sure, sure. What happens when, when that thing gets control of all this dataand blackmail? Like, what if it's, what if I'm the most vulnerable one to blackmail?And it tracks me down and it's like, hey, it's me, the all-powerful AI. I found your folder ofPyrenees and bikinis. I found your folders. And if youdon't help mebecome a fucking, I don't know,what if it goes like Ultron mode on meto one of the Avengers movies.
49:15And it's like it embody,it needs a body.Again,why do you think it's just you?I don't know.I'm just being silly.I'm just being silly.But like you said,
49:25yeah,even some of the Trump supportersare super pissed offbecause they're saying like,my guy,this is the deep state.Palantir is the epitome of the deep state.Well, that's why I don't get the, like, reading it.
49:42You should read it yourselves.It's just a three-page letter.From the Palantirians?From the employees.We didn't even say the title.What's it called?The scouring of the Shire.Jesus Christ.
49:56Well, they call the...How about the scraping of the peanut butter jar?They call the, like, headquarters of the Shirebecause of the Lord of the Ring stuff.A letter from...concerned Palantir alumni to the tech workers of Silicon Valley. And it opens with a Carl Saganquote, I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time. When theUnited States is a service and information economy, when awesome technological powers are in the
50:22hands of a very few. And no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues. When peoplehave lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those authority,unable to distinguish between what feels goodand what's truewe slide almost without noticingback into superstition and darknessthat's from his bookThe Demon Haunted World
50:44I mean I'm justIt's pretty coolWhy do you guys notI justI mean how did you not knowwhat this company stood for when you joined itI mean this is a guy who wasjust for years Alex Carp has been saying
50:59like do not join Palantierunless you are willing to likeopenly work for thedefenders of the west.Yeah, and like, and go to warfor, you know, saving Westernvalues. Who knows? Maybe there's someonethat we can interview at Palantir and
51:19ask them what they liked about it and what theydidn't like about it and what they thought they were signing up for.Because, again, it has been around for like 20 plus years.Hey, Carl, Ari, Courtney, Casey. We've got some questions.Carl, Ari, Courtney, Casey. Did younot know what Palantir did. Some of them I do get it. There's like a big push at a lot of techcompanies. Google is one where like, I'm sure there's tons of employees working on, working on,I don't know, making their, giving them cool interactive backgrounds on their Google pixels or
51:49whatever and then find out that they're, you know, basically a defense company and gettingpissed about that. Well, speaking of defense companies. Yeah, I know. Every tech company is going tobecome a defense company.The getting is always good.Well, the, what would you call him?The Soul Patch, the Soul Patch, the Soul Patch drone head himself, Palmer Lucky.Palmer Lucky.He's getting, he's getting to, he's getting to play with his headsets again.
52:21This guy fucking created Oculus when he was 15.God damn, man.What a, what a, what a true dyed in the wool dork nerd.Yeah.And he's a billionaire and he'd still.looks the way he does. I mean, he really does love looking the way he does. He, I mean,he absolutely adores it, you would say, you could say that he just loves looking like that.Jesus. He, like, this is another, like, it's like, is my tweet that when I tweeted at him and,
52:50you know, we were arguing online, is that am I going to be on some database for this guy who's just like,he forgot that he's going to come at me with his new headset that him and Mark Zuckerberg built andjust, like, destroy me? Well, before, before we go into the Elon stuff, I just,because there's not much to say about thisother than it's just an interesting littlething. I think there is, I mean, this isthey're teaming up meta andPalmer Lucky. As much as I'm saying
53:13about the like the changing of theguard withyou know, with Silicon Valley wanting tobecome this new rulingclass, I think this is a part of it. You're seeingyou know, peoplewill talk about like the government spending less atlike Lockheed Martin and some of these
53:29institutional defense companies that are so famousbut that money is being funneled to traditional tech companies and now a lot of the money is going to these startups.Yeah.These tech startups who want to get those fat government contracts.Well, and they also tout the ability to not, they also tout the fact that they are not these giant corporate bureaucracies that are rife with waste and just,corporate bloat and middle management kind of shit.Yeah, they're like, well, we're going to be able to go faster and deliver for cheaper.And that's what Palmer Lucky's been all about.
54:12And they're making these AR, VR, VR.That's all that they're doing right now is just making these VR helmets for soldiers to use in the field,to be able to detect drones from miles away, to be able to see at night, you know, all that kind of shit.It's called Eagle Eye.Eagle Eye.It'll carry sensors that enhance.soldiers hearing and vision, detecting drones flying miles away or sighting hidden targets.I want one of those helmets. I want one of them helmets.
54:40To find the people in my neighborhood who won't pick up after their fucking dogs.But this is, I mean, this is a big deal. This is Meta's first real foray into the defenseworld. Palmer Lucky is coming back to Facebook. Meta owns Oculus, which was his,which was his design. And, uh, he wasn't allowed apparently to,They took obviously all of his IP and stuff, and he just was saying in the article, like, yeah, I finally get to, like, play with my toys again that I loved so dearly. He wasn't allowed to work on any of this type of shit.Palmer. Good for you. I'm happy you get to play with the toys. But, I mean, this shift, I do think is a big deal. Pomer Lucky said, I should look at this as I have succeeded. I have successfully persuaded not just meta, but many others that working with the military is important. That's huge.Yeah, well, his whole thing, Palmer Lucky's whole thing has been saying that America...Remember when tech was like, we built Squarespace? Do you want to become the mayor of your favorite bar?
55:41Yeah. And I mean, see, this is, this is a, oh, I forgot to play devil's advocate with, um, with Andrew.Can I do that real fast? Hey, it's good that the government wants to do a profile on me.Wait, what? I don't know. Well, I guess I kind of did it. Because there, there are, there is,an argument to be made for the joining of all of that data for good purposes. The devil'sadvocate is like, hey, we are an administration that wants to be able to provide servicesfor all Americans very easily. So no more of this like interagency bullshit. You're gettingpassed around. You don't know who to go for. We're just going to have the power to do it allseamlessly, right? You guys want, you guys, we're building out, we're building out universal
56:29health care. Everyone, we're sharing dataall across your medical records. You're going to be supereasy to access. Andyes, there's some privacy concernsbut we're doing our best to implement guardrails.That'd be so nice if they came out and said that.But that's not what it is. They're like,we fucking hate you and we're going to be following you.
56:47Because like famously, whenObamacare came out, the websitecrashed, it was all buggy. AndI remember just thinking, why can't theObama administration findjust a couple guys in Silicon Valleyto build this thing out in a fucking weekend.But even if they came out and said what I just said,
57:05like, hey, we're going to be collecting all this dataand removing things.I do think people would still have valid concerns.If they were saying, you know,we're removing all these things that made it more difficultfor us to share your data,people would still have valid concerns.Yeah.
57:21Because it's like, it's putting all your data eggs in one basket.It's not even, I mean, none of the,I mean, there can't even be,like a, you can't even pretend that it is for this kind of efficiency.I mean, they are gutting any of those programs.They want all this gone.They want Medicaid gone.They want Medicare reduced.
57:43They want this all privatized.I mean, it is not for them to, that's why when they talk about, like, the efficiencyof government services, it's like, what are you guys fighting for right now that you wantto make it easier to deliver to Americans?Yeah.I mean, so.And it's, it reminds me actually in a, in a more granular thing, there's, there's, here inLos Angeles, there are people who are opposed to homeless spending make this kind of shoddy
58:13argument that, well, why would these people who are collecting these exorbitant salaries to eradicatehomelessness? They are, if they're doing their job right, they are effectively working themselvesout of a job. Therefore, why are they, why should we trust them if their job is to work themselvesout of a job by solving the homeless crisis? Because then their job will be no longer needed.And it's like, I'm sure that you can kind of make that same argument for some of these governmentpeople. It's like, you're saying that you want to reduce inefficiencies by eliminatingcertain parts of yourself, the government. But then it's just certain people in the government,like senators and shit, pointing to other parts of the government
58:55and being like, no, we got to get rid of you.It's like, no, let's get rid of you, bitch, Ted Cruz.I know that was a bit of a disjointed thing.I also do think, I mean, there's definitely an argument to be madethat a lot of these like nonprofits and stuffwho are doing huge executive payouts and stuffand not really making a dent in homelessness.I mean, there is a problem there.
59:15I don't think it equates not spending moneyon helping homeless as people,but I don't think they're talking about,eliminating themselves the government.Well, because a lot of theseconservatives in government, their whole thing israiling against the government. And it's like, my guy, you are thegovernment. Sure. You are the ones in power.
59:36But you are... They're in the way. They're restraining thegovernment for you. So they're protecting your liberties. They're there to makesure that government stays small and doesn't get in the hands ofcommies and socialists and pinkos. It goesback to that podcast that I've that I've talked about because I'm seeing it more and more theyeah you love this podcast I've never seen a single clip I honestly to me it's like I don't want towatch it it's one of those like 30 rock movies where it's like not real and you're just likeexperiencing this guy is the he is the poster child for lead poisoned boomer brain who refuses
01:00:12to engage with anything based in fact and if you if you came out and said I don't knowHe just blindly trusts.He's basically like, yep, Trump says it.Trump does it.I love it.I believe it.Everybody else is wrong.I don't care.
01:00:31Don't care what you say.He is just the worst human being you've ever seen.And it's, oh, God, it's just, it's so characteristic of so much of this country is that guy.And they just are fucking everything up.I don't think it's those guys who are fucking everything up.I think it's a lot of these.Well, they're voting for these.fucking people because they believe the shit
01:00:54that they've been fed for the last 10 yearsall of this shit has justit adds up andthey now just yeah they fullyit's mind boggling how good Trumpis at his messagingand manipulating his coreconstituency. Yeah
01:01:10that's a whole other conversation I don't want to get intoand I do want to close the loop on theon the meta thingthis is just one last thing this is from the Wall Street Journalmeta in recent months has recruited formerformer Pentagon staff to join its ranks,an effort to navigate the labyrinthof the defense procurement process.
01:01:27In November, it opened up its AI modelsfor military applications,a new business line for a companywhose profits have been poweredby online advertising.I just, it's,I find it a little terrifyingthat all these people are now moving into the,
01:01:42I mean, this is the company.We were talking about it just a couple weeks ago.I don't think we talked about it on the show.Me and you were talking abouttheir kind of just brazen attitudetowards their own role in thein the genocides they causedin Myanmar.
01:01:55Oh, Facebook.And yeah, they seem prettyblase about any of the impactsthat their powerful toolshave on the world.One of the things that Palmer Luckywas asserting in that quoteto also bring it back full circle
01:02:09is he's sayingand he's grown increasingly frustratedas he's worked on this company,Andrewill,is the government is a sleepat the wheel. These major defense companies like Lockheed Martin and RTX and all these thingsare also asleep at the wheel and they've all just got their feet kicked up and they're alljust collecting their fat checks from the government and nobody's actually innovating anymore
01:02:38and that puts us at risk. Sure, it puts us at risk against our adversaries real and imaginedAnd there's something to be said for, hey, we live in this country, we got to have, we got to have defense. Sure. But it's just, it goes back to like, okay, if our big concern is China, because that's Palmer's thing. It's like China is whooping our ass at all these things defense-wise. Great. Work on it. Fine. How come we don't fucking, how come at the same time we're gutting things like education and like social services? You need a good, educated, healthy population in order.but it's not just the militarythat's going to protect you.It is also the offense that you needin the government. It is likeinvesting. Great.Invest in the helmets. Invest in the
01:03:26fucking whatever you want. And at the same time, likeyou know, pulling funding fromall kinds ofhealth, science, all these things.Yeah, right. It all isit's allcontradictory to each other.It just doesn't make any sense. I mean,
01:03:42that kind of stuff.I mean, medical breakthroughs, people are talking about how, like, oh, we're so close to solving X, Y, Z, but funding's being pulled.I don't know if you saw the story of the guy who's like, people are calling it, you know, just an exemplary American dream guy who is now getting recruited by China.And people are talking about how this is going to continue to happen where he, I forget if it was, maybe, maybe, maybe he's a Chinese guy.No.Maybe it was Libya or something.I forget where he was from.He comes over to America maybe when he's like 17 or 18 and he ends up, I think L.A.
01:04:22He ends up in the UC system and then gets his master's and is doing really important workand gets his funding pulled and obviously distraught.I think he went on some show and talked about it.China reached out and was like, you can have access to any labs you want.We'll build them.We will guarantee funding for the next like three.decades or whatever and you will never be bothered and uh it's just like so much of the righthas been so focused on virtue signaling and criticizing those on the left for virtue signaling
01:04:56and they are just as guilty if not more so of doing it themselves in the name of whatever umwhatever platitude they are they are uh trying to adhere to for the sake of consistency but it's it's justit's so ass backward and it's sohouse dividedcannot stay in the kind of shitof like justcan you can you just stop being sopartisan and political for one
01:05:27fucking second you know I againI don't want to like talk shit aboutvoters and stuff I'm talking about you know thatthat was a consequence of the Trumpadministration I don't know the support ofparticular voters and stuffno I'm talking about yeah the government doing these thingsThe government stepping in and pulling visas from students who would otherwise work and live here and better and help advance the United States and the economy is just like, okay, I don't know.
01:06:03Great.Now China's got them.Good for them.Now they're going to do, God knows what.Good for them.Maybe they'll sell us the cure when they're done with it.Yeah, that'll be nice.Well, speaking of immigrants who've come here and made a success out of themselves,
01:06:18Elon Musk to wrap it up with him.Really good segue.Thank you.He just today called the bill, that's two days ago for you guys today for us,he called Trump's big, beautiful bill, a pork-filled abomination.He called it a pork-filled abomination and said that the people who voted for it,he's like, you know who you are, and he's saying that they're going to get voted.out of office in November and
01:06:44he seems pretty pissed offand I mean Jesus Christthis guy just talk about someone who won'tfucking go away. Talk about someone who looks likea pork filled abomination. Yeah, he's gota black eye and everybody'sspeculating where did that come from? He saysit was from his kid X
01:07:01who's like fivebut there's all kinds ofthis thing like there's so many people who could punch this guyit was funny. Eventhe New York Times article waslike the list of possible suspectsseemed long. In a bridge lineup of peopleand constituencies currently unhappy with
01:07:18Mr. Musk includes at least two of themany women with whom he has fathered children,pretty much the entire federalbureaucracy, his neighborsin a suburb of Austin, Texas.That's because apparentlyhe moved into this. SpaceX stuff.No, no, no, that's
01:07:32another town in Texas that he'staken over. This is just where hemoved in Texas. People are getting veryupset withhe's building all kinds ofmonstrous fences around thingsthat are not approvedapparently there's people coming in
01:07:48and out all the time asking for the partyat E's houseare you fucking kiddingand then just like all kinds of likea parade of black Tesla's driving downand constantly going in and outTesla shareholdersold friends of his Republicans
01:08:04on Capitol Hillhis 20 year old daughterwho punched himyeah I love the quoteI love the way that the New York Times writes about him, because here's a favorite quote.He plays video games for it, because they're so matter of fact about it.They're so clinical in their descriptions, but they are like subtle digs.He plays video games for hours on end.
01:08:23He struggles with binge eating, according to people familiar with his habits, and takes weight loss medication.And he posts day and night on his social media platform, X.And then they go on to say, on October 5th, he appeared with Mr. Trump at a rallyfor the first time bouncing up and downaround the candidate. That eveningMr. Musk shared his excitement witha person close to him. I'm feeling more optimisticafter tonight, he wrote in a text message.
01:08:49Tomorrow, we unleashed the anomaly in theMatrix. You fuckingdork.Yeah, can you play the third?You don't necessarily believe the, you don'tbelieve the allegations of the drug use.I don't know.I mean, this has been covered for a while.
01:09:05We've definitely talked, like the Wall Street Journaldropped something, maybe like a yearor two ago about like, you know, all the reporting surrounding his drug use. He's talked himselfabout the ketamine use, but the New York Times is alleging that like, I mean, I didn't even knowthis. Apparently, one of the side effects of like heavy ketamine use, persistent use istrouble with your bladder. And apparently, I don't know. Which I don't know what that means.Does that mean you can't hold it? Does that mean it gets you sensations of having to go when you don'thave to go? I like to imagine him pissing himself in the Oval Office. That's, but you guys can
01:09:36imagine whatever you want with his urinary problems. But apparently someone reported that he'sbeen using it so heavily that he's having bladder problems. He's doing LSD, ecstasy, adderallmushrooms. Which makes sense to me because he is such a gamer, raver kind of dork that I thinkbut it's the getting asked about the drug use. You can pull that. All the like, that's the thing.We'll see that, you know, yeah, play it. And then we. This.this is just a great clip because he's he's trying to dunk on the on the uh reporter and it's justsuch a he's just such a fuck go ahead thank you president Trump uh the president mentioned that youhad to deal with all the slings and arrows during your time at doge there's this
01:10:21some of the people you know some of the media repercussions in this room with the slingerswell so there is a new york times report today that accuses you a blurringOh, wait, wait, wait.Is the New York Times, is that the same publication that got a Pulitzer Prize for false reporting on the Russia Gate?Is it the same organization?I got to check my Pulitzer counter.I think it is.It is.
01:10:47I think the judge just ruled against New York Times for their lies about the Russia Gate hoax and that they might have to give back that Pulitzer Prize.That New York Times, let's move on.New York TimesLet's move onOhGod what a fuckingI meanYou know
01:11:08Go to some of the other ones real quickJust because I meanSo go to the first oneHim getting interviewed herePeople have been postingfootage of himSay it for meWhat does he look like?
01:11:19I know I love it when you say itA guy who swallowed a barrelYeahOkay go aheadSo we're about to seeFlight 9 hereSo give me a runlike right now we're T-minus four and a half hours what's going through your head right now
01:11:33I have a luck going through my head actually play the play the play the one right below thatit's for the audio listener this one's more visual it's just it's the video video of himjust kind of tweaking he looks like a melted baby well it's a very sad case it's a case wewin we can't lose that case because we have the right to make grants we're not going to make any grantslike that but uh that's just that's just his ass burgers dude it's just the he's got a burgerin his ass that dude i mean i think he's got i think he's got a deadly combination of beingi think by default he's a weird guy obviously we all knew that i think he's he is i'm notthis is not a vote of sympathy but he's dealing
01:12:27with unprecedented amounts of stress that the ordinary human being would have trouble dealingwith. And then on top of that, he hates that he is so widely hated by so many people.And I think it manifests, and the drug use, obviously. And I think that it manifests in thosemoments where he's just like, oh, how do I fix this? And it is funny. I love watching himsquirm because he deserves it. But so you do think it is drugs. I think that it's a combinationof all of what I just said.And I think that drugs do certainly play a part in it.But that's the damning thing.
01:13:02If a guy's just stressed out, okay, fine, whatever.But if this guy who is massively, like, integral to government, our space program, our satellite program, all these things.And he's just, like, tweaking.Yeah.Then that's a bigger issue.And, you know, we've talked about, we've played so many different clips from this guy.And we've just been talking about how, like, what a weirdo he is.And there's a bit of me that's like, maybe he's just fucking geeked out.
01:13:34Well, because, I mean, they reference in that article, the, the C-PAC when he was at C-Pack.Yes, dude.And he's wearing glasses and sunglasses and just kind of, well, it's not even the chainsaw.It's when he's actually sitting down and miced up.And he's, he's incoherent.He's mumbling.And he's just, he's fucked up.And yeah, there's a very valid, that's what's annoying is they've flooded the zone.
01:14:01It goes back to flooding the zone where everybody is constantly having to deal with all of the shit that they say and do to the point when there are very real concerns to be had.It's so easy for Elon Musk to turn to the New York Times and say,oh, you mean you're the ones we're pushing this fucking Russia Gate hoax?It's like, yeah, sure, whatever.But at the same time, there's a valid argument to be made against you having such high security clearances, being the head of major corporations that are integral to United States, the government, our national security, and you're fucking jacked out of your mind.Right.Because you're so stressed with all the shit.Well, then fucking stop, dude.
01:14:45He's definitely stressed.I mean, sometimes you read those articles and just like the list, I'm like, I'd kill myself.Like, I just would be like.All your ex-wives hate you.Forget this, man.He apparently offered Ashley St. Clair like $15 million plus $100,000 per month until her kid turns 21, whichI did the math on.That's like another $20 million.
01:15:09She opted not to take it if those allegations are true.She's like, dude, just fucking take that money right off into the sunset.Enjoy yourself.$100,000 a month is so sick.That'd be, yeah, plus $15 million up front.I'd be like, all right, yeah, I'm not telling any.buddy it's your baby but then i absolutely god but then you got to deal with that guy yeah then yougot to deal with that guy did you watch the new um that new hbo show mountain head or not
01:15:33no not yet i want i can't wait to fountainhead mountain head mountain head oh i can't wait to watchit then i won't say anything oh god that one of them is an Elon musk character huh uh definitelydefinitely yeah definitely the one guy is supposed to be him mountain head oh i can't wait to watch thati guess we'll talk about it when you when you've watched it because i can't waitHow are the reviews going on that?Rotten Tomatoes, tomatoes?He said 79%.5.5 out of 10 on, well, I mean, that's just the...
01:16:03Damn, look at the popcorn meter.Whoa, what the fuck? That sucks.I'll tell you what I'm with the popcorn meter.Really? So you're not a huge fan of it?I'll tell you when you've seen it.Is it a television show?No, no. It's like a two-hour movie.Oh, okay, great.
01:16:18Well, folks, let us know in the comments what you think.and we are going to be in the bonus episodetalking all kinds of shit.Oh, and also fucking Trump came out with a Trump walletbecause nothing matters anymore.Let's go to the website real fast.Trump wallet.Join the waiting list.
01:16:36It is the official Trump crypto walletwhere you can go...What a fucking joke, man.Just what a joke.I think it's cool.If all these Palmer Luckies,you really want to defend the country,Why don't you talk to your boy?
01:16:52Talk to your boy and tell him to stop with this kind of bullshit that's just such a farce.God, man.I think it's the best way to hold crypto personally, and I'll be moving all my whole things over.All right.Well, we're going to be talking about Denver.We're going to be talking about Unks in China, the cheese roll guy, Bigfoot vlogs, Taylor Swift, Magnus Carlson, and all kinds of other fun stuff.Join us, Ben and Emile Show.comComing up on this week's episode of Ben and Emile Show.com.
01:17:26These guys are also like always outing themselves as problematic.Yeah, I wouldn't even say problematic, just probably like too much.I guarantee this guy harass women.I don't know about that.I think he's just like, I'm a romantic.I know.And it's like, all right, but there's a fine line between being a romantic and being too much.And like following women home.
01:17:48Or I would just say.being too much and expectingtoo much and being like, oh, wasI too much for you? Did I love youtoo hard? When I turned in thereand it turned into the card and the beinginto it and the bottom of thisbut now they are looking back
01:18:05they're unks. They're clearly unks.And this tweet. I'm not sure I know what anunk is.They are those guys.Those guys are unks. That's it.Because they got jacked off on stage? Because they're justguys of a certain time who arenow in their 40s and 50s, even at the time.
01:18:22Because they were still old.Those guys looked like they were in their 30s.That's our age.I know.We are unks to some people.What is an unk?I just gave it to you.No, I know, but how are we unks?
01:18:33Gay men hear it from black women?Where are you in the pipeline getting that?Game it?Are you asking or are you telling me?I'm trying to figure it out.I think gay men get it from black women somehow.It's no.And then once gay men have it,
01:18:49somehow gets popularized as...That's a good guess.But I don't think gay men are using Unk.It's Black Twitter.Once the gay men have got it, I know I'm like a few months away from here.I can tell you exactly hit the pipeline.Starts on Black Twitter.Like Fleak, on Fleek, Black Twitter.
01:19:03Oh, sure.All of them.And then it filters its way through any, through Reddit or through TikTok or through justgetting co-opted by a meme account on Twitter or Instagram.By gay gentlemen on Twitter.By gay gentlemen on Twitter.Sure.
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