The Ben and Emil Show - BAES 103: Left and Right Unite over hating Palantir

Episode Date: June 5, 2025

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They're closing in on us. Not just us, but all of you, too. We're talking about the big database of Americans. I mean, I was just looking at this list. Anything that you can think of, anything. They know. He's been quiet about the whole information thing. Those trying to collect data.

Big failure that was. Not really. They ended up getting a ton of data. Big success, that was. Americans love to decry about China. The surveillance, all these things they talk about. We can only have the things they hate about it. I'm like, give us the.

upside down trains, too. They're like, none of that stuff. No, I don't know. But all the stuff we say is horrible, we're taking that. Oh, but he's Nerfect. I've been kicked off health insurance because they think I'm not a citizen. I've been kicked off dating gaps for being a dog pervert. And then I have to prove to them that I am. How hard will that be to reverse

for those individuals? That's the problem. Like, I'm not a dog pervert. You are a dog pervert. But the data might show that. This guy likes dogs. He talks. He's Googling dog in dress a lot. Yeah, dog stuff of this guy's a dog pervert. I'm looking at a time with baby on me.

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We all know that every... We all know that every episode of this show is good. It's been said. It has been said that this show is the best out there. Tell a friend. But this one in particular, we're going to be talking about all about that, uh, the fact that Donald Trump might be, they're closing in on us. Not just us, but all of you, too. We're talking about the big, the big database of Americans. The big database, not the big mama base, the big database. That they're, that they're going to, uh, they're going to be able, they already know so much stuff about us, you guys. I mean, I was just looking at this list. Anything that you can think of. Anything.

they know they know all your shit uh so emil do you do you do you do you do you do you do you think that you're safe you think you're safe he talks about how safe he is from the government all the time i actually don't think i'm safe they know everything i don't think any of us are safe they know your active military active duty military status well i would hope he's not in it he's not hope the government knew that is your addiction treatment records that okay they know that they know your adopted child's name, gender and placement agency? They know your hell away from my adopted child. They know

your adoptive parents' names. Say the hell away from my adoptive parents. They know your, well, there's a lot of adoption stuff. They know how much alimony. It just goes in alphabetical order, pal. Yeah, I know. They know how much alimony you've paid and received, how much federal taxes you've gotten your auto insurance, all of your auto insurance

information, all of your, you go into business, they know everything about you. The government really does know everything. Oh, boy. Place of birth. The physician, your physician name and number, all your photographs of all your identification, the rent that you've received, royalties you've received, scholarship stuff you've gotten. It says self-photograph. I don't know, I don't know what that means. I don't know what that is either. It says sex. I think that must mean how much sex

you're having. And if the government knows that, then what's up, government? They know how much sex you're having? Yeah, don't you think I'm cool? Do you think, do you think we're doing a good job? You think it should be more or less government. If the government could let us know, everything as it pertains to your taxes, your student loans, your health insurance, all your gambling winnings, they know. They know everything. So Ben is trying to say the government has a lot of data on you, which is, which can be a problem. Could be a good thing if you'll hear us out. Maybe, maybe, just maybe, I might argue a little bit of a devil's advocate.

But one thing, so what you're, when you're listing all those things out, what you're leaving out is that government agencies are collecting this data. But the government agencies don't have an easy way to talk to each other. No. But that's also... They speak different languages. It's inefficient, but it's also a bit by design, right? We value privacy. We value it over the efficiency.

And so you don't want some random agency who's handling, I don't know, some kind of payment system to. be able to access private details about maybe your medical records or anything else like that. But Trump does. He's been pushing this for a while. There was a executive order in March.

It was called the Stopping. Give me all your information act. Not quite. The stopping what? Stopping waste, fraud, and abuse by eliminating information silos. Okay, so he... That's not a fun acronym. I know. How did they do that? Swivelia.

Yeah, come on. Get the acronym guy back in there. Those probably fired the acronym guy. We need Bush's interns, the guy who did Patriot Act. What was that again? Protecting. No one knows. Can we pull up the Patriot Act acronym for a second?

That guy is a legend in the game. I think it's protecting American. They could have come up with some, but, uh... Proticting. Here we go. Providing appropriate tools required to intercept and obstruct terrorism. Beautiful. That's good.

God, that's good. It's beautiful. I like that. But yeah, he wants to. He wants the federal government to be able to share data across agencies, you know, and he wants just a master list of all this personal information that people can just reach for whenever they're dealing with Americans. I wonder how we got to this point. Was it just that when a government agency pops up, when it's birthed, when it comes out of the womb, is it just they just kind of start from scratch their own method of collecting and analyzing? and storing data, and then there's just no, there's no consistency, there's no anything.

And that sounds like, obviously, that's what Trump wants to do, is he wants there to be a consistent thing. Yeah, but they're silo. So anytime you're dealing with a government agency throughout your life, yes, I don't know exactly where you would go to file your birth records or whatever, but they're going to have records of your birth. So that agency will have that information. If you're being entered in public schools, they're going to have your schooling information,

probably your vaccination records, that kind of stuff. Yeah, remember how big of a thing we all thought that was going to be? I was terrified. Oh, my permanent record. It's going on my permanent record. Yeah, like where, it's another one of those things that transcends geography. Where, where... Now we may actually have a permanent record, which is nice.

Kids, it's going on your permanent record. You better be good. It's going on your permanent absolute fuck-ass permanent record. But so anyway, he signs this executive order as he signed a lot of executive orders and no one can quite keep up with them all anyway, but it was, it's been, he's been quiet about the whole information thing. We've seen the freakouts about Doge trying to collect data. Big failure that was.

Not really. They ended up getting a ton of data. Big success, that was. A ton of data that they never should have had access to. Well, because a bunch of the former, a bunch of the Doge heads were former Palantir guys. So they're experts. I mean, that's what Palantir does. They take it to data.

Right. And so he's been quiet about it since. But now everyone is seeing that. he's really getting embedded with Palantir, which we did an episode all about about Palantir, but also how some of these other security companies are using

AI. If you don't know what Palantir is, you can go back and watch it. But basically, it's just this freak show of a tech company, founded by Alex Carp and Peter Thiel. I wouldn't say that they're a freak show. Why? Why are they freaks? Because they love data?

They love data and they love using it to... Oh, I thought you meant that they were a freak show in that that, in that they were totally disorganized and stuff because they are highly organized in the sense that their CEO will just come out and like openly, uh, discuss his pleasure at his tech being used to kill people. Yeah. That's the kind of freak show. And they, they've already gotten this year, or in the in the Trump administration so far, this Trump 2.0, they've already gotten about over $100 million in funding. They just won a contract with the Department of Defense for 790,

million dollars they're talking to the social security administration and the irs they uh and they've got this product called foundry everyone loves found everybody loves foundry it's used in the department of homeland security and in health and human services it organizes and analyzes data and yeah the trump administration loves palanteer they do be loving palanteer and it's it's increasingly looking like Palantir is just going to be their fucking not golden goose because it's not laying eggs for it. Yeah, it's their golden data goose.

Laying eggs. Yeah. But, and this is kind of crucial to... And it's all going to be done in the name of efficiency. Just like, yes. Doge was, it's all going to be, you know, when they try to sell this,

even though it is surprising. There is a good amount of, I would say, right-wing backlash to the whole Palantir thing. People... uh people don't seem stoked on the idea of the comprehensive database of americans yeah yeah because that's not really good you see it turns out that all these guys they do still have some principles and not even trump they trust with with uh with all of our data that you can just search up

and that's the thing so there's a there's a lot of democrats there's a lot of um critics who are saying that the Trump administration calling for this one big sweeping overarching data set, database of all Americans opens the door for overreach. Hey, gang, we want to take a quick break to thank a sponsor of our show. It's Cash App. You know, everybody I know uses Cash App. It's the coolest thing, not to peer pressure you or anything, but I mean, if I know somebody doesn't have cash app, I'm like, what the heck are you thinking? Because if I need to square up a bill with you, we go out to dinner or something, you know I'm on that cash app. You know, we be using that. You're going to make me go to an ATM

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the, the, anyone Trump deems kind of, in opposition to him and his party goals, will be able to able to, you know, they'll be able to keep an eye on. And then, I mean, you can use your imagination for any of the kind of things this could, this could be bad for. I mean, if you, I'm imagining women who want access to abortions, birth control, all that kind of, all that kind of stuff, depending on what state they're in, or women who maybe travel across state lines to try to get that stuff done. Yeah. And then punishing doctors who are, providing that kind of stuff. I imagine

trans people who are trying to seek treatment. So that's the thing is so far that's all speculation. But it's valid speculation. It's all just it's critics, it's Democrats,

like I said, who are saying, hey, this is... Not just Democrats, though. I mean, this is coming from... But it's just those potential uses are truly... I mean, it even says in this New York Times article that it's just total

obviously the Trump administration wouldn't say that that's what they're going to use this shit for but that's a very it's a not a far leap to make that conclusion that's what they would use it for. It's very new. The freak out is coming because of you know the amount of contracts

being awarded in the talk of the use of foundry to build these databases and stuff like that. But we do have you know there's tons of reporting on ICE using these things. Yeah. And it's just becoming much easier to track movements, track new and current addresses, family members, places of employment, all this stuff. Why wouldn't, I wonder why certain people, like immigrants, for example, who, if people are concerned about it, couldn't, I wonder if they could just stop using smartphones.

And it would, I wonder how much power that would take away. in terms of surveillance. I mean, I'm sure it's easier when you're not using that stuff. I'm sure it's way or harder, you mean, for them, for the government? Oh, it's easier to have a lower profile if you're not using that kind of stuff.

But even then, I'm sure a flip phone because obviously you need a phone, but I do wonder... Yeah, I mean, that's the kind of stuff because, all right, obviously we are giving the government a lot of information, just like with all of our interactions

with the government, but what we were talking about in the previous episode where we discussed Palantir was all the information we just give these companies social media platform I mean we're doing it ourselves and it is funny thinking back like

you remember the guys who I don't know they kind of seemed like wackos a little bit any like early 2000s 2010's guy who was like no dude I'm not getting on Facebook I'm not giving these companies my dad I was like dude come out get in here poke some people

what are talking about yeah those guys were right. Those guys were right. And we have basically fed these companies. Everything. Yeah. They truly have everything. So I mean, so this is separate from like the government has all these official records on us. But I mean, then just all these shopping, everything you're tweeting, everything you're watching, everything you're just anything you consume online. I wonder what they think of me. They're probably just like pervert, pervert. I'm just kidding. I'm not a pervert.

I'm sure they think you're a pervert. Yeah, they probably think I'm going to be huge. If I had access to that. A dog pervert. That's what's funny is sometimes this data is unreliable. You are a dog pervert. Well, that's what some of the problem is. Some of these critics are pointing out is that all of this data combined together can often be totally unreliable and give you false conclusions.

So, like, there was one, there was a case where the IRS was trying to use data to actually help people get tax credits for whatever thing they were eligible for. But the data that they were pulling from all these different, not organizations, but government entities, they would have different definitions of like what family is and what, Ohana means family. Ohana does mean family. Amen, brother. But they had all this different data sets that would draw false conclusions.

And it begs the question like, okay, how often are we going to see? cases where data is going to be not necessarily misused, but misinterpreted, where people might lose medical coverage or people might lose status on, you know, in their taxes or whatever it is. And then how hard will that be to reverse for those individuals? That's the problem. I mean, I'm not a dog pervert. but the data might show that. If they see so many photos of me on Instagram, the computer might be like,

this guy likes dogs. He's buying dog shit. He's Googling dog in dress a lot. Yeah, dog stuff. This guy's a dog purpose. And then that might, because the Trump administration is so fucking twisted, they might be like,

he's part of the LGBT community and we're going to put him in one of the camps. It's like, I don't want to go in that camp. He's Googling a great pair of knees in a bikini. Oh, man. Can you imagine? That'd be so sexy. Oh, dude, we got to...

By the way, they're not acknowledging Pride Month. But they said that they're not acknowledging any month. Good. I'm done with months. I don't even care about months. To me, it's just June. All right? To me, it's just the day.

It's a good old-fashioned white June. That's the whitest month, June. It's the third. Don't worry what month. Yeah. No, it's, to me, it's just June. I mean, look, these mistakes are... I mean, their mistakes already happen.

I've been kicked off. Nobody's nerficked. I've been kicked off health insurance because they think I'm not a citizen. I've been kicked off dating apps for being a dog purper. And then I have to prove to them that I am. But, I mean, yeah, mixing these also with,

you know, Palantir loves to tout their AI systems that can scrape massive amounts of data. That's the other thing, too. Even the information was siloed, but it was also such a massive amount of data. You're talking about, what, 350 million, American citizens, plus, you know, they're collecting data on immigrants and stuff.

Anyone who earns income in this country, there's just massive amounts of data. And now they're saying, like, look, not only are we going to connect everyone so they can talk and share data, we also have these models that are going to make it really easy to, really easy to, like, scrape all this data and combine it into something useful for us. But I'm sure that those models are going to make the same hallucinations and mistakes that all these models make. And I'm sure it'll be disastrous. I mean, you already see,

remember the story with, it was just like a month ago. Ice was, uh, you know, going around asking people for papers or whatever. The guy is like, I'm a citizen.

Gives him his like real ID. The, like, and, uh, the guy's just like, no, fuck you,

you're not a citizen. And it's just like putting him in the dirt. Jesus. Everyone around is going, he's a citizen. Yeah. I'm sure this is just going to get worse and worse for people. It was funny to me because there are some former employees of Palantir who are like penning letters to stop.

And they're saying one said the problem is not with the tech that Palantir makes, but how the Trump administration may use it. And it said, yeah, combining all of that data increases the risk of misuse. And the same employee said that other Palantir employees are worried about reputational damage to Palantir because of its work with the Trump administration. Dude, okay, did you read the whole letter? It's just funny to me that they're like my guy, where do you, I'm pretty sure Palantir's reputation already sucks. That's the, did you read the whole letter? Yeah. It's, it's just three pages in every paragraph I was like, because at first I was like, good, hell yeah, some people speaking out, but I was like, wait, what, what the hell are you talking about?

The way they just like, okay, I mean, it obviously opens, if you don't know, Palantir is the name of, the seeing stones in Lord of the Rings. It's really annoying. It's just Silicon. And it's a good thing. Silicon Valley. No, it's, well, if you talk to a Palantir guy, they'd be like, because I guess it, I've never seen or read Lord of the Rings, but I guess,

kill him. I guess in Lord of the Rings, it's, um, you know, they're, it's a fable for, um, they can be used for good or bad. And you have to be careful with this all seeing power and everything like that. And Palantir people are like, we understand the, uh, the implications of this. or whatever. So they obviously open with talking about that. But once they're done talking about that, they start off by just going, Palantir's leadership has abandoned its founding ideals. And I'm just like, what company do you think you're working for? Yeah.

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I mean, and yeah. Well, and I guess I understand what they're trying to get at, which is, and it comes from their official blog, too. They said, Palantir on their official blog said, we act as a data processor, not a data controller. It's basically like a, I guess this is kind of a poor analogy. or metaphor, whatever, but it's like a gun manufacturer saying,

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for discriminatory reasons, replacing them with unqualified loyalists. This is, Peter Thiel was one of the founders of this I mean this is the guy who has been talking what was it 2007 2009 he gave that famous speech I'm still I've I've come to the conclusion

that democracy is un incompatible with with freedom or something like that his like he is he has been a telegram like not a telegram telling you this this is the guy Jesus who's in charge of all this and you guys are like well

I don't know. It seems like now they're into like monarchy or whatever. It's like, yeah, your guy loves that shit. Peter Thiel, this message is for you. Why do you care so much? You won, my guy. No, I don't think they have. You are a proud gay man.

Good for you. It is Pride Month after all. It's still Pride Month to me. It is June. It is white June. But it's also Pride Month. And I do want to give a huge shout out to you, Peter Thiel, because at the end of the day, you are a gay guy.

And you're a billionaire gay guy. Why don't you just stop? Because what's the point? point. Not that has anything to do with him being a gay. But okay. But so why, why is it power? Does he just getting off on power at this point? Because he's also like, I'm a libertarian and I believe in no government overreach. And yet at the same time, Palantir, we should give them, you know, this is the most, this is so antithetical to, to individual freedom when you're not only

have helped to create this monstrosity, but you are encouraging the use of it under the guise of a greater overall freedom for all. You're also giving him too much credit. So, like, he will call himself a libertarian. These guys don't

like ascribe to any of these ideals. Really, they ascribe to whatever works for them. And yeah, I do believe, I've been thinking about this a lot. I do think that the idea is power. I think what we're watching and it's probably already too late, I think is just like this weird kind of silent coup or changing of the guards or something. I think tech guys, like when you talk about freedom, I do think they feel very restrained. But they don't care if like me and you are regular people get their freedoms trampled on, right? They care about, well, what about me and my friends? We have all these ideas and stuff and we want to implement them. And you guys are getting in our way. Big government is making it really difficult for us to do the things we want. So take your money and go start another fucking country, dick.

Well, they're actually doing that in a lot of places. Good. So stop. They're trying to, it's, it's not good. It's,

it's, it's, I think it'll be really, I think it'd be really bad for us. But I think they feel like, like, Wall Street has been in charge for so long. And Wall Street loves stability more than anything. They're like, let's keep it stable.

Let's keep lowering costs. Let's figure out how we bring labor down, all that stuff. And we'll just keep cranking the dial. And they're like, shut up. Get out of the, like,

we want to shake things up. And I think they're, I think you're seeing them do it. I think they've captured control. And there's really no one who can stop it at this point. I think Trump was like a perfect, I think Trump was a perfect, a perfect fit for it. He's, he's brash enough to do all this stuff. He's kind of like impressed by them and he likes to talk them up. And then J.D. Vance is a complete Peter Thiel construction.

He's, uh, I need to, um, I'm going to infiltrate the, gay underworld you're going to infiltrate the gay and find and seduce peter teal and um i don't know how i don't know how exactly but i'll figure it out because he's single right i have no idea that complicates my plan um yeah because that would be cool to to be like a uh a gay prostitute assassin or something and force him to I don't know kidnap him oh I shouldn't say that kind of thing

huh because then they're gonna get pissed and they're gonna know oh he's married to Matt Dan Zizen Matt Dan Zizen Matt's the only one who can save us Matt get God suck him up do something for us Matt

okay but I do really I think they've become this kind of like or they envision themselves as this kind of aristocracy and they want this, uh, they all talk about monarchy. They read, you know, Curtis Yardin and talk about all these things. They're like, we just need the great executive power. We need to stop being so, so fearful of the dictator. I just, I wonder what their vision of a utopia looks like then. Is it just a bunch of, what is it? Is it people serving them? Yes. And I think, I think they look at, that's already how it is. They've already won. Yes, but they, I think they want to solve for a final time that

I think that they don't like that that government represents any kind of bullwark against them. And they view ordinary people as a big dumb-dums. Oh, I mean, that doesn't even begin to describe it. I think they view us as like kind of excess organic matter and it's this problem that needs to be solved. You know, what are we going to do with all this? But don't they want more people?

Isn't that their whole thing now is like, we need more population booming so that we don't have a population collapse. We need more workers, but also we're going to replace them with AI and robots. I mean, I think that's the great goal. The quicker they can get to that, AI and robots and the need for labor. I mean, I think that's their, like, greatest, their greatest issue. Is that, like, we despise ordinary people, but we still need them? I mean, yeah, have you ever been to fucking Disneyland?

They all talk about, like, full of ordinary people. Ancient Greece and Rome as if they're like, they're like, that's what we need. They want, they want to be these like ubermensch guys with all the, and you know,

they have the group chats and they're like, I need, we need more thought leaders on the group chats. And they like keep who can come in and talk about the ideas. Well, the White House came out and said, They didn't outright deny this stuff.

They just reiterated their, the executive order is in place to eliminate information silos and to streamline data collection across all agencies to increase government efficiency and save taxes, save money on taxes. And I will say, if this had been implemented, if something similar had been, if there was an encouragement of government sharing, 9-11 could have been averted. Because famously the CIA and the FBI did not share information. Well, I guess it depends who you ask. True, yeah.

But so, oh, yeah, yeah. I mean, like I said, there is a need for some of this data consolidation because of the IRS, that thing from 10 years ago where they couldn't, there were differing definitions on things like family and income. Yeah, I do wonder at this point what other things that they, that Palantir would be capable of compiling on us, like beyond what. what the government knows, like, what would Palantir and shit be able to give? I mean, it's fucking freaky. I understand why you use, like, incognito mode on your phone, for example, but... Oh, that's how my wife doesn't go through my phone. Oh, that's how you write, too.

That's not the government. The government, they could be a little looky-lose. Like, what if they had, like, our screen time and what clothes we buy and just really getting... It's so uncomfortable. It's like, when you read, it's like if anybody works in advertising, no. knows when you, I mean, it's a necessary evil for how the industry works, but when you start to break people down by like demographics, we're trying to reach white males age 18 to 35 who are interested in footwear and so and so and also blah, you know, and it's just like, ah, damn, at the end of the day, we are just all demographics who can be filed. We are data. We are. And that's okay. I'm okay being a data point. But I, I, I just, and I'm jealous also because I want, I want to see, I want to see what they got on me.

Let us play with it. If you're going to know that, at least play with it. Truly, let us access it. Let me have 15 minutes alone with my data. And I want to see, I want to hold the mirror up to myself. It'd probably be very upsetting. It's like the screen time. When the screen, your phone goes, look at what a piece of shit freak you are. You have no self-control. Oh, you were on this shit for someone so hours, you fucking animal. what's the matter with you or like Uber or one of these apps now I think shows

I think it's Uber that shows you took this many rides and you drove this many miles and you you ordered X hundreds or thousands of dollars worth of food it's like fuck don't tell me that shit Hey gang we got to take one more

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If God is listening, if God is real, I want access to all my personal data when I die. I want to be able to sit at the heavenly computer and query the database and pull up everything. And I mean everything. I want to know how much time I spent total brushing my teeth, clipping my toenails. I want to know how much time I spent driving or sleeping. being, I want to know all, all my stats. Like at the end of a video game, I want to know all my stats. I think that would be so fun.

I think that's what we deserve at the end of this, this thing called life, this crazy thing. Once I get off this crazy thing, I want to know my stats. You want to know the GTA ending. I want to know my ranking above other humans. I want to know where I ranked among all the other humans. Where did I rank number one? For what?

For whatever. I don't know. I want to organize by that. Shit's taken. I want to see. Sure. Grow up. All right. Shit's taken. Poops. I know that I'm not number one. I know that there are people with like all sort of politis who are taking way more poops than me. But, you know, there's like someone, someone tweeted however long ago, they said every day, someone on earth takes the biggest poop in the world for that day and they don't know it. And I want to know. For example, was I ever that person? I'm sure you were. No, I wasn't. There's no way. I'm not big. I just so pissed at me. But you're sure. that I'm, I had the biggest poop?

I don't know. You said, I wonder if I was. And I said, sure, you're wondering, but then... Oh, yeah. I thought you were saying, sure. You probably did. I'm like, no, I definitely didn't. But I want to know where I ranked. Maybe I was third place one time. Well, with the power of foundry, maybe you'll be able to know. You can have a little GTA death screen. And it's that kind of thing that I'm sure everybody at Palantir loves. They love that kind of data stuff. But yeah, you would think that they'd be... I'm sure they don't love that kind of data stuff. Yeah, you're right. That's like total. crap data. Did you find the thing you were looking for?

Yeah, it's just, I was laughing because you can look at your history. If you use the Translate app, you can use the history. And I remember it for a long time, I turned it off on Google. Someone showed me how you can turn, like basically so it doesn't store your stuff.

But it makes... Just in the Translate app. No, no, like across everything. Got it. But it makes Google useless. I remember just like... Not useless, but like, you know how if there's a place you go pretty often? You'll, like, go into Google Maps and you'll search and it'll come up.

It'll come up. Yeah. Or, like, you just scroll back a little bit and you'll see the address. It made it so every time I go, God, what was that fucking address? And I had to, like, text people because I can't find it. It just made everything so much more difficult. It doesn't remember any of your settings. I don't know who you are?

Just take my data. How am I supposed to know who you are? Yeah. But I had no idea that they had. had a complete history of all the things I searched in, um, on, on the translate section. And I was like, wow. And I just started scrolling through it. And I was laughing at this one on October 31st, 2022. Halloween. And then November 1st, 22. Day after Halloween. Well, I think it was the evening into, oh, oh, oh, oh, were you in Greece? No, I was in Japan. Oh, we were in Japan. Oh, God.

So like October 31st. I genuinely I was trying so I was racking my brain being like what was I doing but so like I think late night

October 31st I write do you have worked tomorrow and then later on just please pussy

wait what the fuck I have no idea it could have been completely harmless but it just made me laugh and I was like wow that's a funny I mean I know

might be some guy at Google just being like, ugh, gross. What is this guy fucking doing? Yeah. This guy trying to get laid in Japan. I do also wonder, I mean, there's got to be people. If, I do wonder how much access everyday employees at Google, not everyday employees,

but certain higher level employees at Google have to this kind of stuff. I have no idea. I, because, man, I just don't. I, I'm a bit of a, I'm sure they get broad data collection. If they're, because I'm sure they're analyzing. It's all numbers and shit. Yeah, they want to know how much screen time people are using Gmail. They want to know how often people are using their Fitbits.

If people buy Fitbits and then get rid of them six months later, they want to know all this stuff. What apps they would use it to track, like, are they tracking sleep? Are they tracking fitness? That's what always surprises me because I'm such an early Internet head where all of this stuff that's entirely normal and commonplace today felt totally just improbable in the early days of the internet. Yeah, like I was telling you about like people who were like knowing shit. I'm not getting on that and giving it all my data and I was being like

dude, you're a loser. Get on here. It's not. I just didn't think I guess I just didn't know the extent of what apps are capable of tracking now like behind the scenes on the phone. And a good example is my friend used to work for a company that since has gotten acquired. I forgot by who, but it was a shopping thing and a shopping company that didn't deal with consumers. It dealt, it was for like clothing companies and it could track, I don't know how, but it could track how long your customers. Well, obviously this kind of makes sense now, but like how long customers were on your website. like how long they just keeping stuff in their shopping carts and then what websites they

went to after that and from that they were able to pull actionable data that was valuable enough to companies to buy like oh yeah we want to know did they put this type of shoe in their cart why that day what time of day was it what are they thinking and it's like there is enough there to build a kind of psychological profile that's where it's almost like the scariest thing to me is every time I look at an ad on Instagram yeah when it feeds me like a clothing ad every time I go fuck that is my fucking shit like I want that wow it's so annoying yeah I'm like that guy is fucking like wearing the perfect outfit yeah I mean there are certain things obviously where this data can be used

in a in a productive way that we can all benefit from obviously I would love that. I would love for it to show me like, hey, can you just make the... The idea of data collection itself is not... It's not an evil thing. No. It's how you use it. This is the problem. When you're talking about, like, the Privacy Act in the 70s, all these things that were like built to

protect us because look, not everyone's going to be some beneficent ruler. Uh, you know, these things... And it is funny. You know, all the things that Americans love to decry about China like the surveillance all these things they talk about we can only have the things they hate about it I'm like if you're gonna fucking at least give us the upside down trains too you know what I mean

it's like let's they're like none of that stuff no no but all the stuff we say is horrible we're taking that yeah we're getting that and we're going to use it to it really does feel like just such major fucking gas lighting I mean it feels really bad when you know I think uh I I fear for journalism in this country. I think Trump is clearly very hostile to journalists who... I mean, it's not even that hard to call him. I mean, he's just an out-and-out liar.

He's trying to pull the wool over it from his eyes. That kind of stuff. Making it very easy to make people's lives hell, he deems enemies of his national project. I just don't be croaks, man. And the way he talks, you know, the way he talks, it's not like, it's not someone you would put above

using these things for ills. I, again, I just, sorry to backtrack and jump around a lot, but it's okay. I really just want to know, I really want to know, I forgot what movie it was, but there was some movie or piece of media where it might have been fucking fight club or something, sorry, but just when you think that you are a unique individual who has their own opinions on things and their own unique experiences that have formulated those opinions,

there's a really, really strong argument to be made that you are, no, you are just simply, mostly a product of all of the influence that has been force-fed to you via advertisements, TV shows all sorts of shit over the course of your life. And just out there somewhere in some database for

an advertiser is you. It's your little column in that row of Microsoft Excel data that it's like, oh, he's a he's a Caucasian male in his 30s, straight, likes this, internet search history, questionable,

likes dogs, likes his dog yada yada yada and i just want to see i just want to see what the computer thinks of me i want to know what the because then it also i like how your primary concern is just if the if the computer thinks you're a dofuss no i just yeah i just at the you're right there's a lot of dangerous stuff going on but what about benny boy yeah what is the computer think of me does it think i'm cool because then it's like if we're going to end up having super powerful AI which by the way is increasingly showing signs of pushing back against the human controllers, which is great. Really, really good stuff. We talked about it. The one, the clod that was

manipulating. Oh, sure, sure, sure. What happens when, when that thing gets control of all this data and blackmail? Like, what if it's, what if I'm the most vulnerable one to blackmail? And it tracks me down and it's like, hey, it's me, the all-powerful AI. I found your folder of Pyrenees and bikinis. I found your folders. And if you don't help me become a fucking, I don't know, what if it goes like Ultron mode on me to one of the Avengers movies.

And it's like it embody, it needs a body. Again, why do you think it's just you? I don't know. I'm just being silly. I'm just being silly. But like you said,

yeah, even some of the Trump supporters are super pissed off because they're saying like, my guy, this is the deep state. Palantir is the epitome of the deep state. Well, that's why I don't get the, like, reading it.

You should read it yourselves. It's just a three-page letter. From the Palantirians? From the employees. We didn't even say the title. What's it called? The scouring of the Shire. Jesus Christ.

Well, they call the... How about the scraping of the peanut butter jar? They call the, like, headquarters of the Shire because of the Lord of the Ring stuff. A letter from... concerned Palantir alumni to the tech workers of Silicon Valley. And it opens with a Carl Sagan quote, I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time. When the United States is a service and information economy, when awesome technological powers are in the

hands of a very few. And no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues. When people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those authority, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true we slide almost without noticing back into superstition and darkness that's from his book The Demon Haunted World

I mean I'm just It's pretty cool Why do you guys not I just I mean how did you not know what this company stood for when you joined it I mean this is a guy who was just for years Alex Carp has been saying

like do not join Palantier unless you are willing to like openly work for the defenders of the west. Yeah, and like, and go to war for, you know, saving Western values. Who knows? Maybe there's someone that we can interview at Palantir and

ask them what they liked about it and what they didn't like about it and what they thought they were signing up for. Because, again, it has been around for like 20 plus years. Hey, Carl, Ari, Courtney, Casey. We've got some questions. Carl, Ari, Courtney, Casey. Did you not know what Palantir did. Some of them I do get it. There's like a big push at a lot of tech companies. Google is one where like, I'm sure there's tons of employees working on, working on, I don't know, making their, giving them cool interactive backgrounds on their Google pixels or

whatever and then find out that they're, you know, basically a defense company and getting pissed about that. Well, speaking of defense companies. Yeah, I know. Every tech company is going to become a defense company. The getting is always good. Well, the, what would you call him? The Soul Patch, the Soul Patch, the Soul Patch drone head himself, Palmer Lucky. Palmer Lucky. He's getting, he's getting to, he's getting to play with his headsets again.

This guy fucking created Oculus when he was 15. God damn, man. What a, what a, what a true dyed in the wool dork nerd. Yeah. And he's a billionaire and he'd still. looks the way he does. I mean, he really does love looking the way he does. He, I mean, he absolutely adores it, you would say, you could say that he just loves looking like that. Jesus. He, like, this is another, like, it's like, is my tweet that when I tweeted at him and,

you know, we were arguing online, is that am I going to be on some database for this guy who's just like, he forgot that he's going to come at me with his new headset that him and Mark Zuckerberg built and just, like, destroy me? Well, before, before we go into the Elon stuff, I just, because there's not much to say about this other than it's just an interesting little thing. I think there is, I mean, this is they're teaming up meta and Palmer Lucky. As much as I'm saying

about the like the changing of the guard with you know, with Silicon Valley wanting to become this new ruling class, I think this is a part of it. You're seeing you know, people will talk about like the government spending less at like Lockheed Martin and some of these

institutional defense companies that are so famous but that money is being funneled to traditional tech companies and now a lot of the money is going to these startups. Yeah. These tech startups who want to get those fat government contracts. Well, and they also tout the ability to not, they also tout the fact that they are not these giant corporate bureaucracies that are rife with waste and just, corporate bloat and middle management kind of shit. Yeah, they're like, well, we're going to be able to go faster and deliver for cheaper. And that's what Palmer Lucky's been all about.

And they're making these AR, VR, VR. That's all that they're doing right now is just making these VR helmets for soldiers to use in the field, to be able to detect drones from miles away, to be able to see at night, you know, all that kind of shit. It's called Eagle Eye. Eagle Eye. It'll carry sensors that enhance. soldiers hearing and vision, detecting drones flying miles away or sighting hidden targets. I want one of those helmets. I want one of them helmets.

To find the people in my neighborhood who won't pick up after their fucking dogs. But this is, I mean, this is a big deal. This is Meta's first real foray into the defense world. Palmer Lucky is coming back to Facebook. Meta owns Oculus, which was his, which was his design. And, uh, he wasn't allowed apparently to, They took obviously all of his IP and stuff, and he just was saying in the article, like, yeah, I finally get to, like, play with my toys again that I loved so dearly. He wasn't allowed to work on any of this type of shit. Palmer. Good for you. I'm happy you get to play with the toys. But, I mean, this shift, I do think is a big deal. Pomer Lucky said, I should look at this as I have succeeded. I have successfully persuaded not just meta, but many others that working with the military is important. That's huge. Yeah, well, his whole thing, Palmer Lucky's whole thing has been saying that America... Remember when tech was like, we built Squarespace? Do you want to become the mayor of your favorite bar?

Yeah. And I mean, see, this is, this is a, oh, I forgot to play devil's advocate with, um, with Andrew. Can I do that real fast? Hey, it's good that the government wants to do a profile on me. Wait, what? I don't know. Well, I guess I kind of did it. Because there, there are, there is, an argument to be made for the joining of all of that data for good purposes. The devil's advocate is like, hey, we are an administration that wants to be able to provide services for all Americans very easily. So no more of this like interagency bullshit. You're getting passed around. You don't know who to go for. We're just going to have the power to do it all seamlessly, right? You guys want, you guys, we're building out, we're building out universal

health care. Everyone, we're sharing data all across your medical records. You're going to be super easy to access. And yes, there's some privacy concerns but we're doing our best to implement guardrails. That'd be so nice if they came out and said that. But that's not what it is. They're like, we fucking hate you and we're going to be following you.

Because like famously, when Obamacare came out, the website crashed, it was all buggy. And I remember just thinking, why can't the Obama administration find just a couple guys in Silicon Valley to build this thing out in a fucking weekend. But even if they came out and said what I just said,

like, hey, we're going to be collecting all this data and removing things. I do think people would still have valid concerns. If they were saying, you know, we're removing all these things that made it more difficult for us to share your data, people would still have valid concerns. Yeah.

Because it's like, it's putting all your data eggs in one basket. It's not even, I mean, none of the, I mean, there can't even be, like a, you can't even pretend that it is for this kind of efficiency. I mean, they are gutting any of those programs. They want all this gone. They want Medicaid gone. They want Medicare reduced.

They want this all privatized. I mean, it is not for them to, that's why when they talk about, like, the efficiency of government services, it's like, what are you guys fighting for right now that you want to make it easier to deliver to Americans? Yeah. I mean, so. And it's, it reminds me actually in a, in a more granular thing, there's, there's, here in Los Angeles, there are people who are opposed to homeless spending make this kind of shoddy

argument that, well, why would these people who are collecting these exorbitant salaries to eradicate homelessness? They are, if they're doing their job right, they are effectively working themselves out of a job. Therefore, why are they, why should we trust them if their job is to work themselves out of a job by solving the homeless crisis? Because then their job will be no longer needed. And it's like, I'm sure that you can kind of make that same argument for some of these government people. It's like, you're saying that you want to reduce inefficiencies by eliminating certain parts of yourself, the government. But then it's just certain people in the government, like senators and shit, pointing to other parts of the government

and being like, no, we got to get rid of you. It's like, no, let's get rid of you, bitch, Ted Cruz. I know that was a bit of a disjointed thing. I also do think, I mean, there's definitely an argument to be made that a lot of these like nonprofits and stuff who are doing huge executive payouts and stuff and not really making a dent in homelessness. I mean, there is a problem there.

I don't think it equates not spending money on helping homeless as people, but I don't think they're talking about, eliminating themselves the government. Well, because a lot of these conservatives in government, their whole thing is railing against the government. And it's like, my guy, you are the government. Sure. You are the ones in power.

But you are... They're in the way. They're restraining the government for you. So they're protecting your liberties. They're there to make sure that government stays small and doesn't get in the hands of commies and socialists and pinkos. It goes back to that podcast that I've that I've talked about because I'm seeing it more and more the yeah you love this podcast I've never seen a single clip I honestly to me it's like I don't want to watch it it's one of those like 30 rock movies where it's like not real and you're just like experiencing this guy is the he is the poster child for lead poisoned boomer brain who refuses

to engage with anything based in fact and if you if you came out and said I don't know He just blindly trusts. He's basically like, yep, Trump says it. Trump does it. I love it. I believe it. Everybody else is wrong. I don't care.

Don't care what you say. He is just the worst human being you've ever seen. And it's, oh, God, it's just, it's so characteristic of so much of this country is that guy. And they just are fucking everything up. I don't think it's those guys who are fucking everything up. I think it's a lot of these. Well, they're voting for these. fucking people because they believe the shit

that they've been fed for the last 10 years all of this shit has just it adds up and they now just yeah they fully it's mind boggling how good Trump is at his messaging and manipulating his core constituency. Yeah

that's a whole other conversation I don't want to get into and I do want to close the loop on the on the meta thing this is just one last thing this is from the Wall Street Journal meta in recent months has recruited former former Pentagon staff to join its ranks, an effort to navigate the labyrinth of the defense procurement process.

In November, it opened up its AI models for military applications, a new business line for a company whose profits have been powered by online advertising. I just, it's, I find it a little terrifying that all these people are now moving into the,

I mean, this is the company. We were talking about it just a couple weeks ago. I don't think we talked about it on the show. Me and you were talking about their kind of just brazen attitude towards their own role in the in the genocides they caused in Myanmar.

Oh, Facebook. And yeah, they seem pretty blase about any of the impacts that their powerful tools have on the world. One of the things that Palmer Lucky was asserting in that quote to also bring it back full circle

is he's saying and he's grown increasingly frustrated as he's worked on this company, Andrewill, is the government is a sleep at the wheel. These major defense companies like Lockheed Martin and RTX and all these things are also asleep at the wheel and they've all just got their feet kicked up and they're all just collecting their fat checks from the government and nobody's actually innovating anymore

and that puts us at risk. Sure, it puts us at risk against our adversaries real and imagined And there's something to be said for, hey, we live in this country, we got to have, we got to have defense. Sure. But it's just, it goes back to like, okay, if our big concern is China, because that's Palmer's thing. It's like China is whooping our ass at all these things defense-wise. Great. Work on it. Fine. How come we don't fucking, how come at the same time we're gutting things like education and like social services? You need a good, educated, healthy population in order. but it's not just the military that's going to protect you. It is also the offense that you need in the government. It is like investing. Great. Invest in the helmets. Invest in the

fucking whatever you want. And at the same time, like you know, pulling funding from all kinds of health, science, all these things. Yeah, right. It all is it's all contradictory to each other. It just doesn't make any sense. I mean,

that kind of stuff. I mean, medical breakthroughs, people are talking about how, like, oh, we're so close to solving X, Y, Z, but funding's being pulled. I don't know if you saw the story of the guy who's like, people are calling it, you know, just an exemplary American dream guy who is now getting recruited by China. And people are talking about how this is going to continue to happen where he, I forget if it was, maybe, maybe, maybe he's a Chinese guy. No. Maybe it was Libya or something. I forget where he was from. He comes over to America maybe when he's like 17 or 18 and he ends up, I think L.A.

He ends up in the UC system and then gets his master's and is doing really important work and gets his funding pulled and obviously distraught. I think he went on some show and talked about it. China reached out and was like, you can have access to any labs you want. We'll build them. We will guarantee funding for the next like three. decades or whatever and you will never be bothered and uh it's just like so much of the right has been so focused on virtue signaling and criticizing those on the left for virtue signaling

and they are just as guilty if not more so of doing it themselves in the name of whatever um whatever platitude they are they are uh trying to adhere to for the sake of consistency but it's it's just it's so ass backward and it's so house divided cannot stay in the kind of shit of like just can you can you just stop being so partisan and political for one

fucking second you know I again I don't want to like talk shit about voters and stuff I'm talking about you know that that was a consequence of the Trump administration I don't know the support of particular voters and stuff no I'm talking about yeah the government doing these things The government stepping in and pulling visas from students who would otherwise work and live here and better and help advance the United States and the economy is just like, okay, I don't know.

Great. Now China's got them. Good for them. Now they're going to do, God knows what. Good for them. Maybe they'll sell us the cure when they're done with it. Yeah, that'll be nice. Well, speaking of immigrants who've come here and made a success out of themselves,

Elon Musk to wrap it up with him. Really good segue. Thank you. He just today called the bill, that's two days ago for you guys today for us, he called Trump's big, beautiful bill, a pork-filled abomination. He called it a pork-filled abomination and said that the people who voted for it, he's like, you know who you are, and he's saying that they're going to get voted. out of office in November and

he seems pretty pissed off and I mean Jesus Christ this guy just talk about someone who won't fucking go away. Talk about someone who looks like a pork filled abomination. Yeah, he's got a black eye and everybody's speculating where did that come from? He says it was from his kid X

who's like five but there's all kinds of this thing like there's so many people who could punch this guy it was funny. Even the New York Times article was like the list of possible suspects seemed long. In a bridge lineup of people and constituencies currently unhappy with

Mr. Musk includes at least two of the many women with whom he has fathered children, pretty much the entire federal bureaucracy, his neighbors in a suburb of Austin, Texas. That's because apparently he moved into this. SpaceX stuff. No, no, no, that's

another town in Texas that he's taken over. This is just where he moved in Texas. People are getting very upset with he's building all kinds of monstrous fences around things that are not approved apparently there's people coming in

and out all the time asking for the party at E's house are you fucking kidding and then just like all kinds of like a parade of black Tesla's driving down and constantly going in and out Tesla shareholders old friends of his Republicans

on Capitol Hill his 20 year old daughter who punched him yeah I love the quote I love the way that the New York Times writes about him, because here's a favorite quote. He plays video games for it, because they're so matter of fact about it. They're so clinical in their descriptions, but they are like subtle digs. He plays video games for hours on end.

He struggles with binge eating, according to people familiar with his habits, and takes weight loss medication. And he posts day and night on his social media platform, X. And then they go on to say, on October 5th, he appeared with Mr. Trump at a rally for the first time bouncing up and down around the candidate. That evening Mr. Musk shared his excitement with a person close to him. I'm feeling more optimistic after tonight, he wrote in a text message.

Tomorrow, we unleashed the anomaly in the Matrix. You fucking dork. Yeah, can you play the third? You don't necessarily believe the, you don't believe the allegations of the drug use. I don't know. I mean, this has been covered for a while.

We've definitely talked, like the Wall Street Journal dropped something, maybe like a year or two ago about like, you know, all the reporting surrounding his drug use. He's talked himself about the ketamine use, but the New York Times is alleging that like, I mean, I didn't even know this. Apparently, one of the side effects of like heavy ketamine use, persistent use is trouble with your bladder. And apparently, I don't know. Which I don't know what that means. Does that mean you can't hold it? Does that mean it gets you sensations of having to go when you don't have to go? I like to imagine him pissing himself in the Oval Office. That's, but you guys can

imagine whatever you want with his urinary problems. But apparently someone reported that he's been using it so heavily that he's having bladder problems. He's doing LSD, ecstasy, adderall mushrooms. Which makes sense to me because he is such a gamer, raver kind of dork that I think but it's the getting asked about the drug use. You can pull that. All the like, that's the thing. We'll see that, you know, yeah, play it. And then we. This. this is just a great clip because he's he's trying to dunk on the on the uh reporter and it's just such a he's just such a fuck go ahead thank you president Trump uh the president mentioned that you had to deal with all the slings and arrows during your time at doge there's this

some of the people you know some of the media repercussions in this room with the slingers well so there is a new york times report today that accuses you a blurring Oh, wait, wait, wait. Is the New York Times, is that the same publication that got a Pulitzer Prize for false reporting on the Russia Gate? Is it the same organization? I got to check my Pulitzer counter. I think it is. It is.

I think the judge just ruled against New York Times for their lies about the Russia Gate hoax and that they might have to give back that Pulitzer Prize. That New York Times, let's move on. New York Times Let's move on Oh God what a fucking I mean You know

Go to some of the other ones real quick Just because I mean So go to the first one Him getting interviewed here People have been posting footage of him Say it for me What does he look like?

I know I love it when you say it A guy who swallowed a barrel Yeah Okay go ahead So we're about to see Flight 9 here So give me a run like right now we're T-minus four and a half hours what's going through your head right now

I have a luck going through my head actually play the play the play the one right below that it's for the audio listener this one's more visual it's just it's the video video of him just kind of tweaking he looks like a melted baby well it's a very sad case it's a case we win we can't lose that case because we have the right to make grants we're not going to make any grants like that but uh that's just that's just his ass burgers dude it's just the he's got a burger in his ass that dude i mean i think he's got i think he's got a deadly combination of being i think by default he's a weird guy obviously we all knew that i think he's he is i'm not this is not a vote of sympathy but he's dealing

with unprecedented amounts of stress that the ordinary human being would have trouble dealing with. And then on top of that, he hates that he is so widely hated by so many people. And I think it manifests, and the drug use, obviously. And I think that it manifests in those moments where he's just like, oh, how do I fix this? And it is funny. I love watching him squirm because he deserves it. But so you do think it is drugs. I think that it's a combination of all of what I just said. And I think that drugs do certainly play a part in it. But that's the damning thing.

If a guy's just stressed out, okay, fine, whatever. But if this guy who is massively, like, integral to government, our space program, our satellite program, all these things. And he's just, like, tweaking. Yeah. Then that's a bigger issue. And, you know, we've talked about, we've played so many different clips from this guy. And we've just been talking about how, like, what a weirdo he is. And there's a bit of me that's like, maybe he's just fucking geeked out.

Well, because, I mean, they reference in that article, the, the C-PAC when he was at C-Pack. Yes, dude. And he's wearing glasses and sunglasses and just kind of, well, it's not even the chainsaw. It's when he's actually sitting down and miced up. And he's, he's incoherent. He's mumbling. And he's just, he's fucked up. And yeah, there's a very valid, that's what's annoying is they've flooded the zone.

It goes back to flooding the zone where everybody is constantly having to deal with all of the shit that they say and do to the point when there are very real concerns to be had. It's so easy for Elon Musk to turn to the New York Times and say, oh, you mean you're the ones we're pushing this fucking Russia Gate hoax? It's like, yeah, sure, whatever. But at the same time, there's a valid argument to be made against you having such high security clearances, being the head of major corporations that are integral to United States, the government, our national security, and you're fucking jacked out of your mind. Right. Because you're so stressed with all the shit. Well, then fucking stop, dude.

He's definitely stressed. I mean, sometimes you read those articles and just like the list, I'm like, I'd kill myself. Like, I just would be like. All your ex-wives hate you. Forget this, man. He apparently offered Ashley St. Clair like $15 million plus $100,000 per month until her kid turns 21, which I did the math on. That's like another $20 million.

She opted not to take it if those allegations are true. She's like, dude, just fucking take that money right off into the sunset. Enjoy yourself. $100,000 a month is so sick. That'd be, yeah, plus $15 million up front. I'd be like, all right, yeah, I'm not telling any. buddy it's your baby but then i absolutely god but then you got to deal with that guy yeah then you got to deal with that guy did you watch the new um that new hbo show mountain head or not

no not yet i want i can't wait to fountainhead mountain head mountain head oh i can't wait to watch it then i won't say anything oh god that one of them is an Elon musk character huh uh definitely definitely yeah definitely the one guy is supposed to be him mountain head oh i can't wait to watch that i guess we'll talk about it when you when you've watched it because i can't wait How are the reviews going on that? Rotten Tomatoes, tomatoes? He said 79%. 5.5 out of 10 on, well, I mean, that's just the...

Damn, look at the popcorn meter. Whoa, what the fuck? That sucks. I'll tell you what I'm with the popcorn meter. Really? So you're not a huge fan of it? I'll tell you when you've seen it. Is it a television show? No, no. It's like a two-hour movie. Oh, okay, great.

Well, folks, let us know in the comments what you think. and we are going to be in the bonus episode talking all kinds of shit. Oh, and also fucking Trump came out with a Trump wallet because nothing matters anymore. Let's go to the website real fast. Trump wallet. Join the waiting list.

It is the official Trump crypto wallet where you can go... What a fucking joke, man. Just what a joke. I think it's cool. If all these Palmer Luckies, you really want to defend the country, Why don't you talk to your boy?

Talk to your boy and tell him to stop with this kind of bullshit that's just such a farce. God, man. I think it's the best way to hold crypto personally, and I'll be moving all my whole things over. All right. Well, we're going to be talking about Denver. We're going to be talking about Unks in China, the cheese roll guy, Bigfoot vlogs, Taylor Swift, Magnus Carlson, and all kinds of other fun stuff. Join us, Ben and Emile Show.com Coming up on this week's episode of Ben and Emile Show.com.

These guys are also like always outing themselves as problematic. Yeah, I wouldn't even say problematic, just probably like too much. I guarantee this guy harass women. I don't know about that. I think he's just like, I'm a romantic. I know. And it's like, all right, but there's a fine line between being a romantic and being too much. And like following women home.

Or I would just say. being too much and expecting too much and being like, oh, was I too much for you? Did I love you too hard? When I turned in there and it turned into the card and the being into it and the bottom of this but now they are looking back

they're unks. They're clearly unks. And this tweet. I'm not sure I know what an unk is. They are those guys. Those guys are unks. That's it. Because they got jacked off on stage? Because they're just guys of a certain time who are now in their 40s and 50s, even at the time.

Because they were still old. Those guys looked like they were in their 30s. That's our age. I know. We are unks to some people. What is an unk? I just gave it to you. No, I know, but how are we unks?

Gay men hear it from black women? Where are you in the pipeline getting that? Game it? Are you asking or are you telling me? I'm trying to figure it out. I think gay men get it from black women somehow. It's no. And then once gay men have it,

somehow gets popularized as... That's a good guess. But I don't think gay men are using Unk. It's Black Twitter. Once the gay men have got it, I know I'm like a few months away from here. I can tell you exactly hit the pipeline. Starts on Black Twitter. Like Fleak, on Fleek, Black Twitter.

Oh, sure. All of them. And then it filters its way through any, through Reddit or through TikTok or through just getting co-opted by a meme account on Twitter or Instagram. By gay gentlemen on Twitter. By gay gentlemen on Twitter. Sure.