The Ben and Emil Show - BAES 127: Trump is All Over the Epstein Files

Episode Date: November 20, 2025

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If you haven't gathered, we're talking about this 20,000 email dump that we've gotten from the House Oversight Committee. There are some where it's like, okay, so he can type. These emails span 10 years from 2009 to 2019. There are tens of thousands. Isn't it crazy? It basically goes right up to like the reason they stop is because it gets arrested. Yeah. What's become apparent is that like everyone throughout this elite class, this is not a Republican thing.

Every elite has weirdly come in contact with this fucking freak. I think the actual. academics are innocent. Remember when we stayed up all night, like work on that code or whatever? Yeah. It was where every other section of the book was like, I can't get off if I'm not troking a child. Isn't that right, Jeff? We like this kind of stuff, don't we? And then Jonathan Farkas writes back and goes, Jeffrey, please help me here. Is she a hooker? Liar, period. Alcoholic, period. And then Farkas is still confused. Jeffrey, please help me here. Is she a hooker? All of these just pathetic weirdos. Help, help.

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Uh, I'm excited for us to potentially find out once and for all who is in the Epstein files, but... We're finding out who's in the Epstein files. I don't, I don't think, uh, I go back and forth because it's like if there was nothing there, Trump wouldn't be so... gung-ho about until very recently he wouldn't have been so gung-ho about trying to stop it and get people to stop talking about it maybe it's just because he knew him being so much as mentioned was was bad a bad look but yeah i mean to be honest i think uh there's been a lot of people who

have said you know why haven't these just why haven't these come out earlier people were talking about you know the biden department of justice could have um subpoenaed a lot of these emails they had these at least galane maxwell's email jis lane uh is that How it's supposed to be saying? I just like saying that. Okay. Yeah, these are just regular Gmail accounts. These files could have came out a long time ago, and I think, honestly, it's not

something Democrats want to prioritize doing it, because it's not just, this is not a Republican problem. Here he goes. Right. Bless you. Bless you, pal. He's almost done. And he had one more.

It's okay. It's not just a Republican problem, and I think it's, uh, it's not just a Republican problem. and I think it's it's not just a demon crats but because yeah God Larry Summers

Oh boy that guy My brother Yeah I wouldn't say Former treasury secretary Former president of Harvard Yeah Beloved Disgraced

Liberal elite My guy could not Stop confiding In his pedophile pen I love to talk to Jeff Epstein I love him I love him And his wife had to go

And his wife had to go And get some too It's unbelievable and then I mean Steve Bannon it's all across the board Stevie B I if you haven't gathered

we're talking about this 20,000 email dump that we've gotten from the House Oversight Committee it's obviously it's difficult trying to make a narrative out of this thing I mean I've even seen I forget which article it was but the New York Times is trying to comb through it

and do it and like in one of them they were basically just like give us a second. We're working around the clock. There's 20,000 emails. And it's honestly, it's not easy to read, you know, because you're like... You're going through a chain. Yeah, you're going through a chain.

So you basically have to read backwards up. And then it's... And there were some I messages released. It's... How did they get all of these? Doesn't Google... Doesn't Gmail delete your emails in the trash after a certain point? Automatically or something?

That's a good question. I don't know how they're storing the data. Gmail is very confusing. also, which I've realized, which I think is probably better and I've started to do it, a lot of people, if you're done with an email in your inbox, do you just hit trash or do you archive it?

I hit trash, too, but I realize a lot of people just archive it, which I've started doing, because it is nice to be able to just pull back things. So these may not have been deleted emails. He may be someone who just archives it. Also, as you're seeing, if you've been reading any of these emails,

it's very boomer-coded. I mean, the typing... The man couldn't type for shit. Which I imagine is maybe because he's on an iPad. Probably. You ever try to type on an iPad? It's very hard. You just say, fuck it.

There's a lot of scent from my iPad. Oh, got it. And it's, you know, boomers using iPhones, do you send for my iPhone? Who knows? Because there are some where it's like, okay, so he can type. But a lot of them are just like, it's not even misspellings. It's completely removing, like, just getting rid of two. It's, you know, it's like, it's very weird.

Getting rid of two? Instead of saying, I'm going to the market. It's just like going market, need anything or something? It's just like, it's super short-handy. Yeah. Well, he was a man about town. He had no time. Right.

In the middle of foot M. Need come? Jesus. But yeah, so the, and the reason all these leaked is because at first, Democrats on the House Oversight Committee released these three emails with the victims redacted and some information redacted and then because they make Trump look bad. It makes Trump look really bad. I mean, I wonder if we should just pull those up to start. But then the House Republicans clapped back with like 20,000 unredacted emails. It's, I mean, if any, if, if,

This feels like the biggest, between this and like the JFK assassination, it feels like the biggest, like elites, for lack of a better word, versus everybody else kind of thing, where it's like we really have no idea what's really going on, what's really, I don't know if you saw that today, Mark Epstein, Jeff Epstein's brother, was on Cuomo's show, Chris. No, I did not. This is the one famously who was making the joke about Trump sucking off Bubba.

Yes. Yeah. Which someone on our Reddit was like, I'm so excited for them to talk about that. Mark Epstein himself said it was just a joke. We were joking around. Which I had assumed, but. I had assumed also. There's no way he's sucking off Bill Clinton.

For what? To what end? Unless he's bisexual. But I'm also not going to like publicly be like, okay, guys, let up on Trump. I'm sure he didn't actually suck. It's like, have had it. You know what I mean? I think they were just having a nice little, because as we'll see, Jeff Epstein fucking hated Trump.

They, after they're falling out especially, but, uh, I mean, well, wait, so, yeah, we'll get it. Mark Epstein said, by the way, it's got to suck to be Jeff Epstein's brother. What, where are you, sir? Why aren't you out there, uh, telling all? Tell all. Tell all. Tell us what your brother did, your sicko brother. Uh, he said that the reason why it's taking. so long is that they are literally in like our here scroll down i've got a link there

we can just play the clip uh epstein's brother says they're cleaning them here it is oh i thought we were going to get to see what he looked like i was very curious what i know what i do want to talk about is i've been recently told the reason they're going to be releasing these things and the reason for the flip is that they're sanitizing these files there's a facility in winchester virginia where they're scrubbing the files to take republican names out of it that's what i was told by a pretty good source. Oh, I mean, that's... So take that with a grain of salt.

That's exactly what I... When we were talking yesterday, you were like, why were, you know, but why is Trump pushing for them to be released now? I'm like, well, they're going to, it's going to be selective. They're going to, uh, they're going to do everything they can to make him look fine and Democrats look bad. It's just a fucking mess, man. Oh, but also, you were talking about the JFK thing.

I, a lot of people are referring to, you know, comparing it to Watergate. I feel like the big difference here is, if this was any other, person at any other time be retired he would step down oh yeah big time and it's stepped down in shame i mean that's what's fun we're going to get to all the larry summer stuff but he's retreating from public life it seems yeah let's scroll up the respectable thing to do when this happens to you so this the the these emails span 10 years from 2009 to 2019 there are tens of thousands isn't it crazy it basically goes right up to like the reason they stop is because it gets arrested yeah it's so Yeah. He was doing all kinds of things in these emails from giving advice, giving financial

advice, legal advice, dating advice, making introductions. The majority name mentioned was Trump over a thousand times, more than double the next highest mentioned name, which I don't know what that was. But all of these emails occurred after they're falling out. Like you said, he had some contact with Steve Bannon in 2018. He offered to set him up with country leaders. He loved setting people up. Oh, yeah. He was a big...

I do want to get... I just want to do these real quick before we get into these others. So these were the three that originally got released. This one's quick. Hey, everybody. We want to take a quick break

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So please support our show and tell them our show sent you. He's saying to Galane, which I love his email too, J-E-E Vacation at gmail.com. Yeah, Jeffrey something Epstein vacation. It's ridiculous. And he says, I want you to realize that the dog that hasn't barked is Trump. And in this one, it's redacted, but it's Virginia Joufrey. Who killed herself.

Virginia Joufrey spent hours at my house with him. He has never once been mentioned. police chief, etc. I'm 75% there. And she said, I've been thinking about that. And then the other ones were again redacted, Virginia Juffray, Mar-a-Lago. Trump said he asked me to resign. Never a member ever. Of course he knew

about the girls as he asked Galane to stop. Which I take to, which I understand to mean Trump knew about the girls and asked Elaine to stop, aka Trump knew that Epstein was stealing staff members from Mar-Lago and he had

asked Elaine, stop doing that. Not that it was like, he's aware that we're raping and manipulating young women and he asked Elaine, hey, stop doing that. Highly doubt that that's what it meant. But I think in totality here, what you're seeing, and with this last one

is they were talking a lot about Trump's connection to Epstein and how bad it looks for him. and what people are saying about that. So this last one is a exchange between him and Michael Wolf. And he says, I hear, or Michael Wolf says, I hear CNN planning to ask Trump tonight about his relationship with you either on air

or in scrum afterwards. And Epstein says, if we were able to craft an answer for him, what do you think it should be? And Wolf says, I think you should let him hang himself. If he says he hasn't been on the plane or to the house, then that gives you a valuable PR and political currency. You can hang him in a way that potentially generates a positive benefit for you,

or if it really looks like he could win, you could save him generating a debt. Of course, this is possible that when asked, he'll say, Jeffrey is a great guy and has gotten a raw deal and is a victim of political correctness, which is to be outlawed in a Trump regime.

So he's clearly saying here, like, Trump has some dirt on you, and he's in a weird, tough spot because he's associated with you and the things you did. But if he denies anything, then that gives you political...

Yes, then he's in your debt. Did you say that, that gives you valuable PR and political currency. Yeah. Yeah. Which is very interesting because that's kind of in itself a sort of smoking gun. Yeah, I mean, just the, I mean, the dog that hasn't, yeah. The dog that hasn't barked is a weird, I looked it up.

It's from a, it's from a Sherlock Holmes thing, which basically means that the dog didn't bark because the murderer is someone that the dog was familiar with. So it means that Trump, just for whatever reason, hadn't yet. I don't know exactly how they're using it in these ways but I think they're saying Trump is familiar with all of these proceedings Yeah and I mean you Jeff Epstein had said

that they were He was Trump was his best friend So that probably speaks to why he's so vindictive and so bitter After they're falling out But I mean that's the other thing too Like if this guy was best friends with someone You have to assume that for the duration of their relationship. They were absolutely

partying and doing all the shit. I mean, that's the thing. These emails, all of, we already knew it all, right? That's what's funny. This is more just confirmation in light of everything we knew. In 1992, we have Trump and Epstein filmed partying together.

And they're being horny. Yes, being disgusting. We have in 2002, Trump telling New York magazine, I've known Jeff for 15 years. Terrific guy. He's a lot of fun to be with. He's even said that he likes beautiful women as much as I do, and many of them are on the younger side. These guys were telling us this stuff the whole time in 2003 as part of an incredibly

revolting book celebrating Epstein's 50th birthday. Trump sends his weird birthday note that we've all gotten to see now. Enigma's never age. Have you noticed that? It's just like, and then so many weird things, the Alex Acosta thing that basically lets Epstein off on his weird sweetheart deal. Well, let's remind people what that is. So Alex Acosta, was the one who was the prosecutor who weirdly gave Jeff Epstein a lenient sentence when he was arrested and convicted in 2008? 2008. And what did Alex Acosta go on to become?

No, he didn't. Good answer, but no. Trump nominates him to run the Department of Labor. Whoa, strange. A position that he, like, had no relevant experience going into that. Well, it was probably very laborious. giving Epstein such a pass. These guys have a massive history together. I mean, in 2016, Epstein said in another email

that he's hanging out at Trump Tower week after the election. I think Epstein said at one point that Donald Trump was his best friend for 10 years. It's like we've had all of this information. I mean, and now just Trump just piling on weird behavior. I mean, the treatment of Galane Maxwell now getting sent to a kind of

low security. Which is like, why would you even need to do that? Don't you realize, even when you're Trump, the optics of that are so fucking bad? I mean... She must still have some kind of poison pill or something. I'm sure.

I'm sure, as Michael Wolf was saying, there is clearly a debt here, right? I'm sure he's scrambling. I mean, the way he's behaving does seem like a man who can sense the... You really think so? I honestly can't tell.

I just can't tell with him anymore. Did you see the quiet piggy thing today? Yeah. He's clearly... Can we play that real quick? I probably have it. Yeah, well, he'll find it. Let him he'll find it.

Here, I've got it right here, actually. He's on Air Force One, and an intrepid reporter, a woman asked him about... The Epstein Files. Yeah. And this is how he responded. I think... What a... It's unbursed.

believable, man. Is there something incriminating in the five- Benz-A-Lis-Rey- Quiet, quiet, piggy. I think he's I think this is why you see people normally resign in these situations

because there's no way to navigate this in a normal way. You're going to be an absolute psycho. I also think he just realizes it's not going away. I think he I was trying to remember. I couldn't remember. Remember we did the birthday book?

We read through the birthday book, and we did that episode. It was very fun. But by the time it came out, something huge had happened right after, and it seemed like the birthday book thing got buried, and I couldn't remember what it was. What was it? I can't remember. Like, I mean, this is how...

Was it tariffs? No. China? Shut down? No. It's honest, this whole year, since he's taken office, has been like one thing after the other. But the thing that seems to remain is that people do not want to let go of the,

Epstein files. People are going to continue to press it. And I think he's, I think he's going to break. I don't know. I also like, don't even want to say that. You know, they're the embarrassing, you know, like that, that congressman,

Eric Swalwell, pretty much every time there's an event, he's a Democrat and he always tweets out like, this is it, folks, it's finally happening. Everyone's like, you're a moron. This dude wriggles out of everything. thing. So, you know, who knows? The guy is Teflon. Nothing sticks to him. He truly is. But this is not going away. Yeah. It's, and this is insane. Well, that's what, well, what's tough for me about these is knowing the context of Jeff Epstein being a known liar, bullshitter,

manipulator, opportunist, world-class pervert. And he also. And he also. hated Donald Trump at this point. It's tough. You really do have to kind of take that all into consideration when you look at some of these messages because it's like, okay, is this real? Is this the truth? Or is he trying to buy? Because you got to remember, Epstein's name has already been dragged through the mud at this

point. He's been convicted of wrongdoing. He's trying to get out of it. He's trying to kind of there's an air of him trying to almost switch positions with Trump, or at least that's what I would assume he hopes. But like, for example, he's talking to one of the main names that he was talking to is this former Obama administration prosecutor Catherine Rumler, Rumler, who now works for Goldman Sachs and is probably so embarrassed. I mean, all these people, it's like, they're still out there. They're still living their normal lives.

This lady's living, she's probably been just like, oh, God, for years when Z, When's it going to happen? It's finally happening. There are so many people that what's become apparent is that like everyone throughout this elite class, this is not a Republican thing. Every elite has weirdly come in contact with this fucking freak. I think the academics are innocent and we said that about the book because one of the people he had correspondence with was some of his former like colleagues. And those guys are just lovely dork nerds who were probably the most aside. From the victims, of course, probably were the most betrayed. Like, oh, Jeff, you are so, how could you do this?

But we, I think we made that, I mean, it was so long ago at this point, but I think we made the point that when we were going through the birthday book, there was a very real tone shift when it got to like the academic colleagues. And they were like, remember when we stayed up all night, like work on that code or whatever? And it was where every other section of the book was like, I can't get off if I'm not. choking a child isn't that right jeff we like this kind of stuff don't we and so i i think like you haven't seen the stuff come out where like mit professor is like can't wait to rape again i boy do i love it yeah every like all these other people i like to think that the professors i mean we'll see i mean but he had said to katherine rummel rumler uh here's a quote you see I know how dirty Donald is.

He's worse in real life and up close. They had a lot of correspondence. He invited her to a bunch of events. At one point, did you see her insult to New Jersey? No. Catherine, it's on site. She said, the following. Quote, think I'm going to drive.

I will then stop to pee and get gas at a rest stop on the New Jersey turnpike. We'll observe all of the people there who are at least 100 pounds overweight. We'll have a mild panic attack as a. a result of the observation, and will then decide that I am not eating another bite of food for the rest of my life out of fear that I will end up like one of these people. There was a lot of, there was like a lot of insane, there was a lot of insane digs. That just people were making? Yeah, I mean, the Larry's, there was one Larry Summers one where he basically made fun of

women's IQs. Oh, yeah. Just so many. In the admissions or like something about. So many mean, so many mean things in here. Yeah. Well, because Larry Summers is, like, famous for that. A lot of these emails is like just gossip. Yeah. A lot of these emails is like just people being catty gossip queens. Big time. Yeah, Larry Summers said something about how like liberals will, will forgive you if you've like beaten a child to death.

I think I have it. But God forbid if you've hit on a woman, something like that, he'll pull it up. Hey, everybody. You know, this year, the stock market is absolutely on fire. You got AI booming, of course. You've got the infrastructure build out for AI. You've got data centers, crypto. I mean, record highs are everywhere. Quantum stocks. It's all, it's too much, honestly. So do you want in, but you're a little worried about all the risk associated with all of that high flying cash? Here's your shot. Moumoo. and NASDAQ's second global paper trading competition. It is zero risk, high reward with a $200,000 prize pool to share. On top of that, the global top three winners can each grab up to $10,000, plus an exclusive NASDAQ trophy and a spot on the NASDAQ screen. This year's game is next level. They've got options, free and post-market sessions, and free NASDAQ total view with full market depth. Beginners or pros, everyone can compete. And don't miss the account perks. Trade US crypto options all in one app. Zero commissions, free pro tools, up to $1,000 in video stock,

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danced around. Let's just get to some of the Larry's summer stuff because it's fucking insane. So he's emailing Jeff. He says, SoftBank Debbie Guy, I liked and seemed to wear an honest re-sun. The emails are all, like they just... Yeah, I didn't understand that sentence. Yeah. Lots of slathering to Saudis. a yipped about inclusion.

I observed that half the IQ in world was possessed by women without mentioning they are more than 51% of the population. Mnuchin plums, new deaths, depths, war seems more likely than I used to think. DJT is the world's luckiest guy

in terms of opposition, economy, etc., still think his world... Economy, you said? Economy? Economy. Sorry, it is so hard to read when everything is like

staccato. Yeah. And then this is what Ben was talking about. I'm trying to figure out why American elite think if you murder your baby by beating and abandonment, it must be irrelevant to your admission to Harvard, but hit on a few women 10 years ago and can't work at a network or think take. Do not repeat this insight. Oh, yeah. He put that in all caps.

Do not repeat this insight. Like, wow, what an insight, brother. He also asked about Trump. Larry Summers asked about, uh, asked about, uh, asked, Epstein if Trump does Coke. He does not. Yeah. Which wasn't surprising to me. Larry Summers was sad about a girl who had blown him off for another guy. Dude, this one is what's so weird. Okay, this is, this is 2019. Can you just Google how old

Larry Summers is real quick? Just, here, I got it. He's 75, so he was 64. Yeah. This man is 64 years old. and Epstein praised him for playing it cool he said you reacted well annoyed shows caring no whining showed strength then later when Larry Summers said he was going to ghost a woman

um he's uh Epstein said good she's already beginning to sound needy with a smiley face and then said nice so this is what's so weird 2019 so much stuff has come about come out about Epstein everyone knows he's a pedophile

And he's emailing him stuff like this. We talked on phone. Then I can't talk later. Didn't think I can talk tomorrow. I said, what are you up to? She said, I'm busy. I said, awfully cool you are. And then I said, did you really rearrange the weekend we were going to be together because

guy number three was coming? She said, no, his schedule changed after we changed our plans. I said, okay, I got to go. Call me when you feel like it. Tome was not of good feeling. I didn't want to be in a gift-giving competition while being the friend without benefits. And then Jeff says

she's smart, making you pay for past errors. Ignore the daddy. I'm going to go out with the motorcycle guy. He reacted well. annoyed. Shows caring. No whining. Showed strength. The whole thing is like, I cannot believe this guy talks like this. The whole world is just run by the biggest

fucking losers. Yeah. I know. It's unbelievable. And this guy's married. I mean, all of these guys. There's so many guys in here. who are just... Of course. I feel like their wives know.

They got to know. Well, this is the worst thing. I mean, I hate to do this to her, but his wife... She was emailing? Is all over the emails. Elisa Summers is emailing Jeffrey Epstein

asking about... Because she needs funding. That's the thing. Everyone needs money. Oh, yeah. Dude, these emails... Oh, she was asking for like 500 grand, right? Yeah, a lot of money.

Yeah. And, dude, dear Jeffrey, here's an invitation. You can afford. Fingers crossed. I'm going upstairs to hunt for my copy of Lolita. Oh, right. She wanted to give him Lolita.

Or we'll get on my Kindle and reread on our way to Australia. I may have lent it to one of my kids. I would recommend reading my Antonia by Cather Next. Next time you're on a long plane trip. The prose is gorgeous and the book has come to think of it. Similar themes to Lolita in that it's about a man whose whole life is stamped forever by his impression of a young girl. Yeah, that's one way to describe Lolita.

Thank you for this help with Serena. I'm so sorry about what. happened with W.A. I will keep the bootleg episode and hope to release someday. It's so good and you were so kind to read the poem with me and you were so kind to make it happen. And then it's just a huge thread of her just begging for money. Like, need to get your advice about the renewal of the Templeton campaign. Also, my needs coming in the year of poetry in America. It's insane. You can't deny that the man was well-traveled and loved the arts. This is so... And poetry. A lover of poetry.

Oh, yeah, here she goes. Larry has told me that you and a friend would like to contribute to my project. Hallelujah and thank you a million times, Jeffrey, and that I ought to write up a proposal asking for $500,000. This is wonderful. If this comes to pass, the best way for that money to come, I think, is as a gift to poetry in America, an initiative at Ed Labs at Harvard University. This will give me discretion over its disbursement to Harvard X.

Whatever, you get it. Just unbelievable. It's like money There's nothing You know There's no crime As long as you have the money People are going to come crawling to you

They don't care that you're a legendary pedophile Larry Summers also took a trip Or that you're helping your husband Yeah Fuck women Jesus Christ man Yeah they'll keep your secrets They will

I described Larry Sam as former Treasury Secretary, former... He's a current Harvard professor. Yeah, current Harvard professor. No longer the president of Harvard. But it's not just that, you know, he's like... He's still a very influential guy, and he holds positions at the Center for American Progress. A lot of people were kind of pumping him as the...

Or at least, like, one of the people who were going to bring forward... You've heard people talk about, like, Project 2029, Democrats need their own... I haven't heard that yet. They don't have one exactly, but they're like, well, we need to have our own project to put forward. So, like, if and when we do regain power, we're ready to go. We're bringing woke back. Sure. Bigger than ever. But, like, Larry Summers has been, because of his work at Center for America Progress, people like, you know, Democratic operatives like near Tandon are being like Larry Summers is our guy. We literally cannot do anything without

having a pedophile all over it. He said, he had to release. statement saying, I have great regrets in my life. No fucking kidding, dude. And he said, my association with Jeff Epstein was a major error of judgment. Yeah, I would say on a major, ongoing error of judgment. Something to that effect. I am curious, because so he is stepping back from a bunch of things, but he's in so many places. I don't know, you know, even in New York Times reporting, Um, they, they, they were reporting about him stepping back and they were like, he's also, uh, does op-eds here. We'll see what happens with that. Yeah, no fucking kidding. Uh, he works at Bloomberg TV, you know, so. He, I wonder how many of these people are going to kill themselves. I don't. Like, out of shame. Like, my life's over. My reputation is tarnished. Larry Summers is going to be fine. He'll retreat into, you know, obscurity. Nobody knows what he fucking looks like. I already saw him and I'm just like, oh, yeah, I forgot. Uh, you know, uh, you know, A lot of these people have money, whatever. They'll live out.

I don't know if they're going to feel that much shame among their elite class. I mean, look how people were still talking to him after his conviction. Who? Epstein. Oh, sure. I mean, dude, that's a perfect example. It's like these...

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thought Trump was a clown and dangerous on foreign policy. So what's really interesting is that it's not just a lot of mucky muck's state side that think poorly of Trump it's it goes this whole thing goes international that is perfect example like the reporting about

oh they think he's a clown whatever that was literally everybody until he took power and then all of a sudden they all fall in line to suck his dick literally no matter who it is every Republican who's falling over him

you can find you can find footage of them from 2015 JD Vance called him the next Hitler it's pathetic man Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, Lindsey Graham, Mitch McConnell. Every single one of them were like,

he's a dangerous, desperate, this demagoguery will not stand, and now they're like, please, sir, can I have another? It really is pathetic, because they act like we have no memory of it, and it's insulting. Let's see, what else do we have?

Clinton apparently never, ever went to the island. He emailed with Peter Thiel in 2014, but it wasn't, it was kind of, inconsequential um i like this guy jonathan farcass another rich guy who's cheating on his wife he had asked about a woman is this the one who his wife is like the ambassador to something yeah or no he he's a he's like a shopping mall magnate or something i think you're thinking of was it michael wolf whose wife no no no it might be farcass then uh well anyway he was cheating on his wife and was asking jeff epstein about some woman and epstein said she's not

trustworthy at all. Oh, yes, it is this one. And then Jonathan Farkas writes back and goes, Jeffrey, please help me here. Is she a hooker? And Epstein wrote, no, she's just an alcoholic and, you know. No, you got to read the, do you have the whole one because it's, the way he wrote it is so insane.

He goes like, liar, period, alcoholic, period. Like, just. Oh, yeah, yeah. And then Farkas is still confused. Jeffrey, please help me here. Is she a hooker? He goes, no, but yeah. All of these just pathetic weirdos.

Help. Help. I need help. Married and just like being led around like dogs by these, by these women who don't want to give them the time of the day. Yeah. There was more Michael Wolfe. He asked him, he asked about his colonoscopy doctor. Hey, how was that butthole doctor you went to, Jeff? But let's see, a dog that didn't bark. He's met some very bad.

Yeah, Epstein said in 2017, he's met some very bad people, but none as bad as Trump. Not one decent cell in his body. He also called Trump a maniac showing early signs of dementia, said he was evil beyond belief and mad. Which is really heavy coming from one of the most evil beyond belief, comma, mad men that's ever lived. people wrote a like 200 page book for his birthday being like aren't you the most devilish man I've ever seen in my life and he's like this guy is pure evil I've looked into the heart of the devil I like what he says he's even worse up close it's like oh yeah I imagine dude

those full you've seen those up close macro pictures of his fucking face and they take the one and put it next to the pig eye sometimes of his eye oh and it's just it's in yeah oh god he's just fucking disgusting man. When is the last time you think he had sex with his wife, Trump? Like actually? I would say maybe recently you know, you've seen this whole push

they're really trying to sell it. Their relationship? Yeah. Have you seen all the White House tweets? Hmm. Yeah, where it's like her kissing him on the cheek and they're like, wow, epic. Wow. A couple of the year much. Like, it's so weird.

And everyone's like, what are you doing? I don't feel bad for her But God, having to suck that thing off Also, you know, speaking of the Speaking of all the people who fall in line to the power Whenever this stuff happens The people who cannot help themselves But do the

Epiphobilia thing Oh, I've been seeing this word now, yeah It's also I know what it is now if you know what that word is red flag what is a fibophilia it's the people who because they go hang on it's not fair to call them a pedophile because that implies they like fucking children these people really like what's uh they really like like 13 to 16 year olds which is a fibophilia it's like what is wrong why are you doing this but so let's watch they're probably laying the foundation for epstein i've said this before which is a reminder i do know somebody very very

very close to this case, who is in a position to know virtually everything. Not everything, but virtually everything. And this person has told me from the start years and years ago that Jeffrey Epstein, in this person's view, was not a pedophile. This is this person's view, who was there for a lot of this, but that he was into the barely legal type. Like he liked 15-year-old girls. And I realize this is disgusting. I'm definitely not trying to make an excuse for this. I'm just giving you facts. That he wasn't into, like eight-year-olds, but he liked the very young teen types that could pass for even younger than they were, but would look legal to a passer-by. And that is what I believed, and that was

what I reliably was told for many years. And it wasn't until we heard from Pam Bondi that they had tens of thousands of videos of alleged, forgive me, they used to call it kiddie porn. Now they call child sexual abuse material on his computer that for the first time I thought, oh, no, he was an actual pedophile. I mean, only a pedophile gets off on young children abuse videos. She's never clarified it. I don't know whether it's true. I have to be honest.

I don't really trust. What is your point here? She's saying for years? She's saying that Trump being associated with this man doesn't necessarily translate to actual pedophilia, which is different from just being attracted to barely legal girls. Which is really smart because that's exactly what she needs to be doing. But she said 15. That is not barely legal. That's fully illegal. And disgusting. You're talking about men in their like 50s and 60s. You're also talking about sex trafficking. So she was kind of

being like, and look, I was under the impression that these girls were like 14, 15. And I was like, Hey, hey, have at it. Okay. traffic away. If they were eight, then that would be a problem. Because they don't have breasts then. But what the fuck? Yeah. What is your point, Megan? And it's like, these people

cannot help themselves. There's the, do you know who that guy Richard Hanania is? Yes. Is he the guy who's formerly alt-right? Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Not only alt-right, but like, was writing under a pseudonym and was exposed and was talking about all kinds of like white supremacist bullshit. And I don't

know how this guy is like, become rehabilitated, and people are like, he's just a good liberal now. Let Richard do his thing. But he linked to his own substack and tweeted, to call being attracted to 17-year-old's pedophilia is basically calling all men pedophiles. It's like saying all white people are racist on account of the society they were born into. Reject all forms of bigotry. And then linked to his... protect all forms of bigotry. And then linked to his substack, Hitler, Demi Moore, and other pedophiles.

Why Demi Moore? Dude, I clicked it. I couldn't make it through more than like a couple paragraphs. Apparently Demi Moore got in trouble because recently she was on camera kissing a 15-year-old boy. And he was like, are we supposed to believe that's such a big deal? It's like, yeah, that's gross, dude. What's wrong with you? Was it for a movie?

No, it was like. I had never heard of this. Well. Imagine being like, hang on. We've got to reject all forms of bigotry. How dare you come for men who are attracted to 17 year olds? Please click my substack where I'm defending Hitler. Yeah.

Yeah. It's like you said. It's not just the, sure. If you want to say the like 60 year old men being attracted to 15 year olds, even if we give you that. It's completely diminishing the The big thing Which is the sex trafficking And the manipulation and the years and years of

Abuse therein Yeah And it's still illegal Yeah It's not barely illegal What is she coming from a place where it's like Is 16 is the legal age? What is she thinking?

I also cannot believe this tweet is still up I think it's so weird and presumptive To just be like every guy is attracted to 17 year olds and everyone's going to go along with me on this. This is not weird to say. And it's, I'm putting my foot down. I'm standing up for the men who are afraid to say that they are attracted to 17 year olds. What was the Hitler thing in that? Dude, I didn't get to the Hitler thing. I was like, it's a, dude, it's a pretty long, if you want to see. You don't say. This is a pretty long post about how being a pedophile rocks and

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There was one last thing I wanted to talk about before we get on the Marjorie Taylor Green, which is that one of the texts that was leaked, someone texted Epstein to calm him down. because apparently the walls were starting to close in and they were telling him oh, don't worry, it's just, this is all just part of a bigger Trump takedown and you're getting roped in, it's okay. And Epstein wrote back saying, yes, thanks, it's wild

because I am the one able to take him down. Really, things that make you go, hmm. I mean, definitely, I would say we have a smoking gun. I mean, it's just, yeah. Yeah, I don't even know. I don't know what else you need. at this point, short of

a Trump video of him fucking and sucking and... They'd still find a way, right? Yeah, they'd be like, he's a phiphylofeebee? What's it called? A fibophile, I think. A fibophile, I think. A fibophile, I'm in a fibophile,

well, I gotta give a shout out to Marjorie Taylor Green. Oh, wait, also before you even do that, it is, the Epstein stuff is very funny reading. It almost felt with some of them like he was just, I don't know, With some of these emails, they felt like just classic 2016, or like 2016 liberals. Like, they were believing everything, you know, oh, wow, Trump's really hung himself this time.

Like, he sounded like Eric Swalwell. There were a bunch of emails where like, this is what's going to take Trump down. Well, at the time, it really did feel that way. Remember? It was just like thing after thing after thing. I know, but it's so funny to see like the elite, the elite cabal be like, oh, he's done it this time. Yeah. I remember, I mean, I will always remember my mom watching Rachel Maddow and it was when the tax things came out. And Rachel Maddow's like, we've got them. We've got them. And my mom's excited and I was like, mom, nothing's going to happen. And it's not what you think it is. And Rachel Maddow sucks. I'm sure you've seen the meme of it's like the, it's like the stupid looking skeleton guy with the MAGA head on being like, get over at Lib. We're pro pedophilia now. Lib tarred. Yeah, yeah. It's basically where we're at.

So Marjorie Taylor Green, folks, you might remember her as the... Is she a congressperson? She's a congresswoman, right? Yeah, from Georgia. And she has been perhaps the biggest, most ardent supporter of Donald Trump since 2015. And... You, like, very QAnon-coated. Yes.

went full on... She's a Facebook moron mom, Q and on Facebook mom who somehow got into Congress and is dumber than a sack of potatoes. You know what I think it is? What?

I think it's more that she is obsessed with the attention she garners and everything. Probably. There's an element of that. Well, I think people just keep trying to make sense of like, why is she talking like this now?

Like da-da-da-da-da. Because it's not just the Epstein Fowse, she's like all of a sudden talking I'm like, why can't my kids afford health care? Why can't my kids afford to rent a place? She's talking... She's still insane. Don't get me wrong. I mean, she can say as many things as she wants

that won't erase her psychotic. No. But a win is a win. And in this case, the win is her... Like, basically, it's a big deal because... And I sent you this... I send a mail this tweet over the weekend because it was such a big deal

to have such a staunch Trump supporter singing a different tune is a really, really big deal. I was moving this weekend, so I just did not see anything online, and Ben sends me this tweet, and I was like, what the fuck am I looking at it? It started with Trump calling her out on Truth Social, saying, I am withdrawing my support and endorsement of Congresswoman, in quotes, Marjorie Taylor Green of the Great State of Georgia

over the past few weeks, despite my creating record achievements for our country, including blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, he's stopping eight wars. trillions of dollars invested in the U.S. Jesus Christ. All I see is wacky Marjorie. All I see wacky Marjorie do is complain, complain, complain. It seemed to all begin when I sent her a poll stating that she should not run for senator or governor. She was at 12% and didn't have a chance. So, of course, Trump is saying the only reason she's doing this is because she's upset with him personally, which is fucking asinine. He could spit in her face and she would say thank you.

She has told many people that she's upset that I don't return her phone calls anymore Oh my God I can't take a ranting lunatics call every day I understand that wonderful conservative people are thinking about primarying Marjorie in her district of Georgia You're also missing the funniest part of all this

Oh shit, what? So she's told many people she's upset That I don't return her phone calls anymore But with 219 congressmen slash women 53 U.S. senators, 24 cabinet members Almost 200 countries and an otherwise normal life to lead brother that is so funny

what about your life is normal yeah this is it's just like an otherwise normal life delete yeah I can't take it that's so fucking funny she and then he goes on to say she has gone far left

which should tell you a lot about what far left means to this guy and to the Republican party when when you so much is just go in the other direction you're as good as far left. Wait, what did the rest of it say? You still have it. There it is.

She has gone far left, even doing the view with their low IQ Republican-hating anchors and then thank you for attention to this matter. But she was not on just Epstein. She was criticizing Trump for meeting with foreign leaders repeatedly and not focusing

on America first, which is what he campaigned on. She called him out on gaslighting Americans who voted for him regarding things like grocery prices and affordability, which I thought is, it's very, very brave and bold, knowing what you're going to, I got to give her that, knowing what you're going to get back in return, which is what she's getting. She's getting death threats and things like that to the point where she tweeted out that she's got to get private security. I am now being contacted by private security firms with warnings for my safety. The man I supported and helped get elected, because it's,

being, yeah, the threats against me are being fueled and egged on by the most powerful men in the world. Aggressive rhetoric attacking me has historically led to death threats and multiple convictions of men who are radicalized by the same type of rhetoric being directed at me right now, this time by the president of the United States. I now have a small understanding of the fear and pressure the women who are victims of Jeffrey Epstein and his cabal must feel. Wow. As a Republican who overwhelmingly votes for President Trump's bills and agenda, his aggression against me, which also feels the venomous nature of his radical internet trolls, many of whom are paid. This is completely shocking to everyone.

I mean, she's really kind of going scorched earth here, it seems. And she even had a moment of self-reflection. She was being interviewed on CNN's State of the Union and anchor Dana Bash noted on Sunday when she was being interviewed that Trump has attacked or criticized others, but Marjorie Taylor Green didn't speak out then until the attacks were directed at her. And she said, Dana, I think that's fair criticism. And I would like to say humbly, I'm very sorry for taking part in the toxic politics. It's very bad for our country. And it's been something I've thought about a lot, especially since Charlie Kirk was assassinated. It's insane seeing her talk like this. It is. I'm like, good for you. I still disagree with

you on a lot of things. But this is a nice step in the right direction. It was, I think it was maybe a different show on CNN when she, it was right after Pelosi retired. And she just kind of had all these warm words for her. And I was like, what am I watching? I mean, this was, was it based on like woman stuff? Like, hey, you're a woman too. Basically just like she respects, you know, she respects everything she did and, and her going out on her own terms and stuff. You know, this was a, I think if this was any time before all of this, if this was any time in 2024, she would have been like, I'm glad she's stepping down she's a disgusting woman she's a disgusting lib she's turning our country trans and she's she wants to make they're gonna they're gonna cut off florida and turn it into a vagina

yeah i mean it would have been something like that yeah and no i totally agree she's a completely different person we'll see how long it lasts i think as i was saying before i do think there is i mean who knows it's probably also a lot of hopeful thinking but i do think something is happening with Trump and... That's big if you think that. He's also old as hell. And I think that a lot of people are realizing

that the glue that holds this entire thing together is Trump. I also think the... I think the election that the election a couple of weeks ago shocked a lot of people. And people have pointed out this thing. There's this pattern. When Trump's on the ballot,

Republicans win. When Trump's in office, they lose. They go, because Trump's very good at riling everyone up and going, like, yes, everything is really bad. Like, he's right. We got to get him in there. And then he gets in and everyone's going to go, holy shit. I didn't know. It's going to be like this.

Jesus Christ, they're going to be rounding people up and snatching school teachers. Prices are going to be high. Yeah. And they go, Jesus Christ, we got to get him out of there. And so it's this like, people see, you know, without him, there's no real, there's no juice left. there's no glue holding this thing together. Yeah. And I think you're going to start to see people try to pave their own way here.

I think that's what you're seeing a little bit. I wonder what's going on behind the scenes. And did you see that like people being like, we're taking off our MAGA hats? I don't know if I believe that those are real. I mean, we'll see. Everything is fake. They're like the MAGA movement is over and it's now the America First movement. Which is great.

It's nice to see some populism that seems to be somewhat. party agnostic. I'm sure the America first movement will be just as racist, xenophobic, nativist as, as madame. I mean, all you got to do is look at fucking Matt Walsh's tweet. God, I fucking hate that guy. But I do think, I do think

that, like, without Trump at the helm, these things become much more fringe. And, I mean, this whole thing, it feels like, at the very least, something is broken in the sense that Trump won in November, last

November. And then people were talking about like the culture shift. They've won the culture war and it's like... Woke is over. Woke is over. And not only that, it was like cool to be this weird, young, fascist

freak. And New York Magazine was running all these spreads about like inside the Trump election parties where like DC tastemakers and whatever was like, what is this? Dasha Nisgrova. It feels like everything is snapped back

where everyone was like, wait, it's fucking not cool to be a fascist. These people are Nazis, like, what the fuck? It's interesting because a lot of them are gay men. Are they? Yeah. I was just looking at the Instagram account. I can't remember his name,

but he's really, really good looking guys. He's got glasses, and he was big during the Milo era. But he's one of those New York fashy, Republican guys who's clearly just, no, it wasn't Michael Cohen. That poor schmuck, Jesus.

Oh, shit, I wish I could remember his name. But it's all just him hanging out at like super posh looking parties and events with art people and stuff. And it's like, wait, I, these people are like Democrat code, it kind of breaks your brain a little bit. But God damn, I wish I could remember. name. But there were a lot of gay gentlemen

who were there, not that gay people can't be Republicans, they sure can. Peter Thiel. I mean, sure. Anyway. They were pushing to get the Supreme Court to take another crack at gay marriage. But, you know, how about it? Well, we'll see.

I am glad that you I believe in people's ability to sense these things. And I'm with you. There is a little less so than you, but I have a bit a sense that something has shifted and something is changing and perhaps there's posturing going on behind the scenes that we are not privy to about what comes next and what happens after Trump? Because they've got to be thinking ahead. They're no longer, nobody's talking about

Trump 2028 anymore because they know he's going to be old as shit, if not dead. I feel like he's the only one that's kind of either universally beloved or like, I don't know, not beloved, but they at least respect him enough to be like, okay, that's the guy. And everyone else is like, dude, they're not going to go for J.D. Vance. Some people will. Some people like J.D. Vance. But, I mean, the amount of people who are just going to, who have already said the gnarliest things because he's married to a brown woman. Oh, I know.

It's just like, I don't. I mean, but who knows? Maybe he'll do the, you know, the ultimate, the ultimate Chad move and move in on Erica Kirk. And then we'll know he's truly America first. Oh, my God. Yeah. I don't know it's it's tough out there I really hope that this turns into something

something bigger but it is it it's interesting seeing the people out there who are going after Marjorie Taylor Green and then looking at all the replies they're like fuck you you know get off Trump's dick so it is interesting there's a lot of feels like something is shifted and again I do want to temper this, I'm not like hopeful. I just, it feels like something has broken a little bit. Yeah. And the one thing I do know is that politicians and ordinary people seem to not want to let

the Epstein thing die. Yeah. As much as, and look, we just want to know at this point. But that's the other thing. Trump is going to do everything he can to try to make people forget. Yeah. I think he was probably already planning for a Venezuela invasion. but that might have gotten bumped up a week or so. Who knows? I obviously would really like that to not happen. But I mean, all the ghouls are coming out. Brett Stevens just came out and did his...

Why I support regime change in Venezuela. It's like, dude, what are you doing? Did you see Maduro's video? No. It's... I shouldn't say funny, but he's got his accent. And he's like, to the people of America

No war Peace I don't want war Yeah we don't want it either pal You're talking about Same brother You're talking to the wrong guy Man

And yeah the shit going down in Mexico Is gnarly I wonder what's going to happen there I don't even understand What's going on there But What was I going to say about Trump shit? I like him and you think he's cool

I like him and I think he's cool wait, what? You were actually a big Epstein guy until these... Yeah, until all this stuff happened? You said this change your mind a little bit?

Yeah, I mean, I followed him for his financial stuff, of course. Yeah. Which is like, that's another thing. There's like no record of him doing any big deals or... It's just such a... It's JFK all over again, man.

It's just one of those things that we'll have to ask God when we die. Hey, what was really going on there? I don't know. We actually might... Well, because now, according to the Epstein brother... How are we going to know... They're going to scrub everything. How are we going to know what's really...

Like, what's... I mean, we're already kind of there, though. I mean, like we were saying... I don't understand why... When people are, like, release the Epstein files, it's like, they just released 20,000 of his emails. I'm like, are those... Is that not the Epstein files?

If that's not the Epstein files, I feel like the Epstein files are going to make us go crazy. Yeah. They're going to expect. And also, I don't understand... This is no shade against the victims, but when the victims are coming out,

why don't they just start shouting out the names of the people that they serviced? I do think they've... I think a lot of them made a bunch of deals and there's a lot of... A lot of NDAs and a lot of confidentiality agreements. Yeah, exactly. Because there's probably...

I mean, I'm sure if they said, you know, whatever name, they could get sued into oblivion. Yeah, I mean, you're talking about people with... Yeah. Massive amounts of wealthier. Yeah, that's true. So that is frustrating. when I see people

What? They're on Twitter and they're like, why don't they just call out by name? Huh? Yeah. Makes you wonder. Yeah, fuck you. Easy to.

Yeah, because people don't want to die to death. Well, should we do, should we round it out with Bill Ackman making, God, this guy's addicted to making a dickhead out of himself. Isn't he? He really is. I mean. Well, his name is Bill Ackman.

Bill like Dollar and act like activist man? Because that's, I mean, that's the science of naming. That's what he was meant to do. He, yeah, what is it? He really subscribes to the theory of nominative, nominative. Nameology. Nominative determinism, I think it's called. Oh, wow. He thinks, he thinks that whatever, like, if your name is.

John Hamburger, you're going to work at McDonald's. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. He thinks that, like, Ben is basically a con man. Yeah, because my last name is con. That's his, that's what his. So, see, I wouldn't do business. business with you because you're a con man yeah and he and so he explained this to someone in an

interview and then they said okay so what what's yours bill acman he's like well bill like a dollar and i'm an activist investor and acman is my last name so it just kind of makes sense activist man activist man they really i i don't this guy is i wish my name was like sammy spider man or something but you'd have to be spider man i would love to be spider man wouldn't you what does he think I'm supposed to do... De Rosa? You're probably a florist. You'd be a great florist. It's the 12-year-old theory, man. He's just a 12-year-old going,

maybe everybody should do what their name says. Maybe everybody should do what their name tells them. That's what I think. Anyway, he tweeted, I hear from many young men that they find it difficult to meet young women in a public setting. In other words, the online culture has destroyed the ability to spontaneously meet strangers. As some, I thought I would share a few words that I used in my youth to meet someone that I found compelling. I would ask, may I meet you? Before engaging further in a conversation, I almost

never got to know. It inevitably enabled the opportunity for a further conversation. I met a lot of really interesting people this way. I think the combination of proper grammar and politeness was the key to its effectiveness. You might give it a try. And yes, I think it should also work for women seeking men as well as same-sex interactions. Just two cents from an older, happily married guy, concerned about our next generation's happiness and population replacement rates. Can you imagine going up to someone and saying, may I meet you? May I meet you?

Just getting fucking peppers paid. No, okay. I get, okay. Wow, apparently you're not a fan of good grammar and politeness. What a bitch. fuck you know what actually fuck you bitch it's so so many women have been sharing screenshots of their DMs

which is amazing yeah which is pretty funny I mean if you're gonna do it to someone you gotta do it in person though like he said yeah which is extra it works for it doesn't work but you've been doing it it would be it's more conducive to DMs don't you think yeah it makes way more sense yes but he's saying to go up to someone and say

It's a deranged thing to do. It's so, it's like something an alien would say. May I meet you? May I meet you? You are right now. If a man uninterested romantically came up and said, may I meet you, I'd feel nervous. I'd say, what are you talking about? Yeah.

Are you from here? Are you, is English your first language? Are you Nordic? I mean, I appreciate anyone. Oh, may I meet you? I appreciate anyone encouraging people to meet in person, but this is. He also just could have been like replaced that with anything. He's basically just saying...

Do what I did. It worked. What I did was just walk up to women and ask him if I could talk to him. I was a really rich, handsome guy in the 80s in New York. And what worked for me? Going up to women and asking a fucking... Yeah. Charmingly stupid, disarming question, such as, may I meet you?

The real thing, there's no, like, there's no real... Secret to meeting women? Yes. I think, I mean, because this whole thing, this is probably one of the more innocent examples of this, but like there is just an army of online creators. I mean, I think Andrew Tate is probably the most famous one where he's like, Oh, you got to do.

He's got up to a woman honk of boobs and say, fuck you, bitch. Right. Go out to dinner with me. And then they, you know, they pay for his course or whatever, and they go talk to a woman and creep her out. And then it just like drives them further into the arms of these freaks. There's no, like, there's no cut and jive secret.

I think, you know, it's funny. Someone pointed out, okay, so there's a Reddit. I think it's, whoa. R slash seduction. And it's funny, I went on after someone pointed out because so many of them are, they're basically just in-selling themselves and coming so far around

that they're convincing themselves that the secret is just becoming a more, rounded person, which is the secret. But, like, they've become so in-cell-coded that they're like, okay, guys, figured out this crazy hack. What you have to do is get a hobby and get, like, really into it. And then you go to the gym. You go to the hobby, and there's women there.

And, like, if you know stuff about it, you can talk to them and stuff. And it's like, my guy, you're right there. Get off the subreddit and just be a person. It's like Here wait I had this one These poor guys This one's a big one

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