The Ben and Emil Show - BAES 128: The Global Crisis Nobody's Talking About

Episode Date: November 26, 2025

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We'd love to talk, business. Energy prices are really high right now. They've risen twice the rate of inflation. So if you wanted to switch to cleaner sources of energy than fossil fuels, that would come with a lot of cost. Now China is exporting so many solar panels. Batteries are much cheaper. All the things that allow you to transition to clean energy are cheaper now. It's like the cheapest source of energy is renewable energy. That offers a way to address the climate crisis and address a affordability at the same time where in the past, you couldn't do those things. But wind and solar is gay. It is gay. The birds don't like it. Like, what if we harness the power of the sun? And they were

like, what if we harness the power of corn? Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Hear me out. Wind is cool, but corn. But we've pulled out of the Paris Agreement. We've also, I think Cop 30 is currently happening right now. We are not. Yeah. So, yeah, we pulled out of it. It's the only country to pull out ever. Well, we're not trying to get another country pregnant, so might as well pull out. Great. That's another good line for the dating app. I think. Maybe that. I don't know.

I hate myself. No, don't say that. No, I'm kidding. It's because I called you a geek earlier, and now that's really stuck with you. I know what I am. I'm working out of town with me. Tell me what's going on. Tell me what's going on. So listen out up. Too many, me, tell me what's going on.

Tell me what's going on. I'll kick it off here. I'll kick it off. Beep. Beep. That's industry standard. That happens on everything. Welcome to a special Thanksgiving episode of the Ben and Emile show.

We hope you're blasting this on your TV or your... Yeah. Make your whole family shut up. So you can say, I'm trying to listen to the Ben and a Meal show. On the JBL, you've hijacked the JBL speaker. Your cousin's playing Fettywap, but you've hijacked it. Fettie Wop. Yeah, what did I say?

I said Fettie Wap. No, I'm just, I haven't heard that name. That's what you play. That's, if you have a JBL speaker, it comes pre-programmed with Fettie Wop. I don't think that's true. I'm in love with my baby. But we have a special guest today. And it's Fettie Wop.

In honor, in honor of the day, the people. Pilgrims first shook hands with the Native Americans and settled their differences. And got smallpox all over them. The ones who made peace with the Native Americans, they had a nice symbiotic, symbiotic relationship, didn't they? It was the other whites that didn't get along so well. Let's not get into the pilgrims right now. But we did bring in a veritable expert on Thanksgiving.

On all things, pilgrims. On all things, pilgrims. No, but we're talking about the very uplifting, very, it's a very good topic. that we aren't worried about it at all, and it's global heating, heating up. Everything's getting hotter. But with us is John Milstein. Is it Steen or Stein?

You're supposed to know. You're supposed to do some sort of research as far as that go. It's Milstein. It's John Milstein from Crooked Media. He's working with their climate initiative. That's right, yeah. And he's got all kinds of, I wouldn't say fun things to tell us, but some good things to tell us.

It's gravy. It's all gravy. It's all gravy. It's all gravy. It's all gravy. Oh, yeah. I was just going to point that out. Did you do that on purpose? And it turns out you did. That it's all gravy. Yep. I love this holiday. I know it inside and out. I know all the different toppings and different things that you eat on Thanksgiving. What else is there? I mean, you got to eat corn. Corn? That's not what I would have said first. Corn and I guess plate. Are you talking corn on or off cob? I actually, if to answer that sincerely, I think of corn off-cob as a Thanksgiving thing. Corn's not the first thing I think of for Thanksgiving. I think of gravy corn plate and family.

And cousin walk. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's what we should have talked about in the bonus is the cousin walk. Have you guys ever done that? Because this is the thing that everybody else seems to experience but me. I've never even come close to a cousin walk. When you go out and smoke a joint together?

I don't like that. When someone tells me that they're doing that, I'm like, what the hell? But I guess I'm just, the truth is, I need to cultivate stronger relationships with my cousin. That is not the kind of family I have. Yeah. We're not doing anything like that. The last cousin walk, I remember, my cousins and I, my troubled white trash cousins and I took a walk. We smoked a joint and we set off a firework that we not manipulated.

I forgot the word where we like... You manipulated it. We discussed it. We gaslit a firework. No, we like jury. rigged a bomb, basically. And the house that I used to live at, we were just down the block from the school. And it's like a shotgun blast. You bless the school? It's a close. It is an explosion. And when we came back to the house, my mom immediately, she had heard the sound

and knew that that was us. So we were high and she's like, what the fuck did you guys just do? I was like, I don't know what you're talking about. It was, but it was us. That's what you talk like on Thanksgiving. Turkey. It's all the corned gravy. I'm pissed I didn't discover cranberry sauce until I was like 25. Wait, I'm sorry to make you go back

but you built a bomb? Yeah. You basically take all the powder. There's this one type of firework called the Piccolo Pete and it burns very slowly through all the powder out of a very narrow opening thus making a whistle sound.

But if you hit it with a hammer and you bang out all of the powder and condense it, don't bang out the powder. Well, that's when I had it pop in my face because I was hitting it with the hammer and it went, and I thought I blinded myself. I didn't. You present kind of like a geek. Like, what is this side of you that? It's just like a major bomb making badass. A friend of mine taught me this, but you put it all into... She's going to skate right by them. Is that like a geek? I don't care. I get it. Yeah, thank you. You put it all in the corner of a plastic baggie

and then you insert that in an empty 2-liter bottle and you fold over the edges of that plastic bag and you screw on the top and you've already hammered a hole into the top and it makes a little bomb. You have to tell the listeners to only do this if it's for a righteous cause. Like Thanksgiving.

Yeah. I'm gonna go ahead and say do it whenever you want and blow it up wherever you want. Oh my gosh. I endorse it. I can't wait until the cops show up. But don't mail it to anybody. Don't send it through the mail.

I did do it post 9-11. this is not a joke, 2004, 2005, I set one off in a, in the, there's a couple tunnels that run underneath the Long Beach airport. What the fuck are you crazy? I didn't tell you this. You're anarchist. I wanted to do it because I wanted to get it as loud as possible. I was like, where could I do it where this thing will be as loud as fucking possible?

So me and three friends built one up and it was like 10 p.m. on a Thursday. We're going through the tunnel and there's nobody around. There's no one behind us. And I hit my brakes and the scariest moment of my life, truly, one of them. Because it's in my lap and I'm like, okay, I hope it doesn't blow up on me. And it's not catching. It's not fucking because I've got the window down so I have to roll up the window and I light it and the fuse is burning. And then roll down the window, toss it out, floor it.

Fucking huge, super cool explosion. This is amazing. Super cool. And then we didn't get caught anyway. He's no geek. I'm no geek. So, John. He likes loud noises.

Yeah. Why don't you tell us a little, yeah, what is cracked and what is this environmental? It's actually not cracked. This guy is insane. God damn it. Shut up. Crooked media. Maybe we'll have you cover.

Oh, excuse me. Crooked and cracked are very similar sounding. We've actually concluded the Thanksgiving bomb portion of the episode. I know. We've run to satirical magazines from the 2000. Cracked, mad, you name it. Something awful. Yeah, something awful.

Yeah, so I work at a company called Cricket Ideas that is a nonprofit sort of associated with Cricket Media. Crooked Media makes Pod Save America. And basically, Cricket Ideas is largely focused on climate. I know you guys kind of from comedy and in the web. Yeah, John is also a very funny boy. He's not just a, he's not just a climate. He's not just a guy who presents like a dork.

Right, right, yeah, right. He's actually, he was actually just in the funniest Christmas commercial. Yeah, I was in an, yeah, it's true to say that I was in, I was, I did acting today. And I was so excited. But, but we're not here to talk about my acting. No, no, no. But, um, but I did want people to know you're a triple threat. Thank you.

I did acting today. And thank you. Um, so I started working at this company and, and it's, it's largely focused on climate communications. and I've just learned so many interesting things over the past year in a few months doing it. And I honestly, I asked to be on this podcast to talk about it. So the listeners can know that if you want to be on a podcast, you can just ask. You can just ask. Well, if you're our friend.

No, but I mean, I wanted you to come on and do it. Yeah. You know, we've talked a little bit about it. It is this thing that's completely... I feel like people have forgotten about it. I know. It's completely out of the discourse. It's a very strange thing.

You know, thinking about like the 2016 and 2020 elections, especially, it was like, you know, and 2018 with AOC getting elected, it was this like, green new deal. And like, I mean, I remember even talking about talking to people who they would vote for in 2020 and then be like, the most important thing is the climate crisis. Like, we just need someone who can tackle that. And now it's just like gone. Yeah, I remember a lot of like tweets about like, well, They finally mentioned climate like 40 minutes into the presidential debate. And I feel like if you do any debate now, probably it's not going to come up at all. But it's kind of interesting because there have been a lot of trends that make addressing the climate crisis more easy to do.

And part of that has led to some amount of it falling out of the discourse. It's kind of like strategic thing on some level. like there are a lot of moments now basically there were just elections you know in yeah the off-year elections for 2025 in new jersey virginia there's one in georgia all across the country we had we had one here in california for pro yeah and i didn't vote for that you didn't no no i'm just kidding i did i did um yeah so in and all these elections that have happened around the country the the topic of energy affordability has come up a lot that's like a big thing and and that's sort of um a way to back into climate like basically energy prices are really high right now they're like

twice they've risen twice the rate of inflation and people it's like now become where it was far down on the list of like economic concerns people had now it's much higher and uh it coincides with a huge um surge or a huge a build out of renewable energy that's sort of could provide the means to lower those prices. And so, like, people now talk about clean energy and cheap energy, where maybe in the past they would have said, this is for climate reasons. Now they're mainly talking about it in sort of affordability reasons. Like, at least that's what kind of Democrats are doing. Hey, guys. We've got to take a quick second to talk to you about superpower. I actually

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After you sign up, they'll ask how you heard about them, so please make sure to mention this podcast to support the show. when it was more present in some of these election years it was it was more about it wasn't about cost for people it was this kind of like existential

um existential crisis and I think sorry go on no no this existential crisis that is coming for us all but which it is I just think that's a bit more abstract to people if they are not being confronted with this

on a daily basis but they are being confronted on a daily basis with higher and higher energy costs. Are you saying that like energy prices being high and it being something that the administration is trying to get at is running counter to clean energy initiatives? No, it's kind of two things. I mean, in the past, the reason why people wouldn't talk about it in affordability terms is because it wasn't an affordability solution. The idea of like renewable energy, clean energy, it did come with like a green premium. And so if you wanted to switch to cleaner sources of energy than fossil fuels, that would come with a lot of cost.

Now China is exporting so many solar panels. Batteries are much cheaper. All the things that allow you to transition to clean energy are cheaper now. It's like the cheapest source of energy is renewable energy. That offers a way to address the climate crisis and address affordability at the same time. where in the past, you couldn't do those things. Right. So, like, everybody's talking about energy prices.

Trump is talking about them. Democrats are talking about them. Trump is, you know, a full fossil fuel pilled guy. And when he talks about energy prices, it's all in terms of we need to expand drilling. But that'll bring prices down. Right, which it won't.

And Democrats now have this much better avenue to advance climate stuff just through building out more energy. Right. So, like, from what? But I understand, because we've talked about it a little on the show, but I definitely, like, do not get super in the weeds on the climate stuff. But we were, I think we were already in the Biden, during the Biden administration, we were kind of getting our asses kicked. Yeah.

In terms of renewable energy production versus China. Yeah. China was still, I mean, I don't know how they measure it, megawatts or whatever they're doing. Bigawatts, megawatts, you name. China was, China was creating like every year just unbelievable. amounts. And we were getting better. Yeah, yeah. And then, uh, with the one big, beautiful bill, not only, I mean, there were so many things in there, people that, that shocked people, obviously kicking people off

healthcare. All of these things were, uh, people took issue with. But the one, at least from an economic standpoint, the climate thing and renewable energy thing just felt, uh, cruel to a point of stupidity. And maybe you can explain that a little bit more. Yeah, basically, I mean, I think they needed to find a place to cut, you know, incentives. And I think they, that was the, that was the only one where they could sort of get their elected to support it. Like, I don't think that they were going to support more, like larger Medicare cuts than the

ones that they did get through. So that kind of fell away. Yeah, basically, like, under Biden, they passed the Inflation Reduction Act, which was like a $400 billion investment, or included a $400 billion investment in clean energy. Like you say, it was like a means to sort of build up manufacturing in the U.S. because we know China is becoming this massive exporter of renewable energy. They're like ahead of us on EVs and solar panels and everything. And so that was a means to, yeah, both advance American manufacturing. manufacturing, create a lot of jobs. I think there was money for building out.

Maybe it was either that one or in Build Back better, whereas there was money for building out the electric charging network for vehicles to make it easier to be able to drive across the country. Yeah, yeah. So it had all of that. And then, yeah, like you say, the vast majority of at least the renewable energy incentives in that were cut under one big beautiful bill.

They maintained a couple, like, Republican energy priorities, like nuclear and biofuels, which is like biofuels? Which is like biofuels are like a Republican. When you grind up people and you shove them in and you burn their bodies. Yeah. And then you eat them on the snow piercer train. Yeah, it's a, no, biofuels are, you know, it's like ethanol. Yeah.

Basically so it's something that farmers like. So it's kind of the Republican base backs biofuels, even though it's a really poor climate solution because the amount of space that's required to grow the corn that you, need to power whatever like way exceeds, you know, the space that you could use to make solar farms that would generate like way more energy. It's like one one hundredth of as efficient. It's one one hundredth as efficient as solar energy. They were like, they were like, what if we harness the power of the sun?

And they were like, what if we harness the power of corn? Yeah, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. It's like, hear me out. I know. but corn. I know, isn't that so funny?

It makes me sad because Neil Young was famously, you know, he's a big environmentalist. He was Mr. Corn Car for a long time. Oh, he had an ethanol car.

He was major corn. He had like some old classic car that he converted into a corn car and, you know, I guess at one time that was thought of

as a good solution. But basically you have to chop down all these trees. You know, you're using all this land that you don't need to be when you're making corn cars. So wait, just so I'm, just to back up a little bit here, when we talk about energy costs,

we're talking about basic like when you heat your house, when you turn on your stove, everything that powers your appliances, just your electricity in your home, and where that power comes from, be it like a coal power plant, somewhere, a steam power plant, whatever, the city that you're in. Right, yeah. Natural gas, I think, is the biggest in the U.S. It's about 10% wind, 10% solar. And yeah, those costs are going up for a number of reasons. One is the data center build out.

That's, like, that's, I think, just beginning. Another huge contributor is with the extreme weather that we have, that leads to the power lines being knocked over and stuff like that. I mean, you look at Texas when they get cold. Yeah. Like what happened a couple years ago. Yeah, they should never be cold down there. I wish those guys were warm all the time.

But, yeah, so then that requires a lot of investment in the grid, so that is reflected in your energy bill. Here in California, I mean, we've got Edison lines that are 100 years old. Yeah, exactly. Nobody maintains because they're now a public company, and they have to fucking chase profits, so they're not going to invest in it's, they figured out, I remember, like, it's cheaper to go through the hassle of lawsuits

then it would cost us to fix these, the poor infrastructure. I mean, I don't know, I don't know anything about that, but California actually is a good example of, I mean, I wish I had this. I remember looking into this when the Big Beautiful Bill passed. And I'm sure California will still try to continue to go down this road, but California is actually a great example of what it could look like if we continue to invest, you know, every year. California is like breaking their own crushing their own goal even more so Texas is like the biggest one just because it's renewables? Yeah yeah because they're so

little regulation there that you can just connect to the grid much more quickly so yeah it's like a really great example of the fact that renewables just are a better solution right now than building out more fossil fuel power because obviously Texas like you could expect a bunch of gas guys doing their thing down there. But yeah, their renewable energy, I think, is even,

I think it's an even greater percentage than California. Yeah. And just to, yeah, just to illustrate some of the things we're talking about where it just feels kind of ass backwards here. Like, I remember one of the big ones was them just, the Trump administration fully just shutting down, shutting down wind farms and other projects like that. One was like 80% completed.

Yeah, it's crazy. It was about to come online. They had invested all this money in getting all these things built out. And it was going to be powering something like 300,000 homes in Rhode Island or something like that. Yeah, I think some of those have been, have been unstopped. But yeah, there's definitely a bunch of wind projects that they've stopped. Yeah, I think, you know, there's kind of two trends happening here.

One is just an increase in energy demand with all the things we're talking about. And also an increase in energy prices from those infrastructure. things we're talking about. And then at a time when the obvious solution to that is to lean into the sources of power that are easy to build, which are basically, I mean, solar and batteries is basically the best thing to be building out. Trump has just gone on a full sort of ideological war path and done everything to stop clean energy. Some of it was the stuff in the big beautiful bill. Some of it was stuff that followed that, like what you're talking about, just stopping these wind projects and other renewable projects.

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They wanted to make sure that DEI initiatives were not, like, taking place on federal projects or something like that. Yeah, I mean, and... In case, like, there's just, like, a bunch, a whole diverse crew sort of hanging onto a wind turbine, like, spinning around and, you know, smiling year to year. Like, he had to stop that in its tracks. Right. But that's where I'm like, it's, it's, there's this cruelty to the point of stupidity. I mean, we're all locked in here together as a country, you know what I mean? And we're going to need more and more, uh, we're going to need more and more, uh, we're going to need more and more.

more energy in the wind and solar is gay. It is gay. The birds don't like it. It's gay. And yeah, to like put a firm point on it, like not only are they are they much cheaper like the if you wanted to build a new natural gas plant right now, which is which is kind of what that would be the best source of fossil fuel energy to build. The delays in just getting the turbines to get a natural gas plant up and running are like multi-year. You know, Trump and the Republicans really like nuclear like that's that's you know an interesting source of energy that is that also takes forever but it's like decades always really expensive um so yeah i mean i feel like it's

interesting to think about when this could really like bite him in the ass because people's energy price are just going to keep going up and um you know it's it seems like likely that people could connect that to well but have you considered that uh even if the energy prices go out, he'll be truiting that they actually have... He could truth... They haven't gone out. I'm worried that Trump is going to truth later, but I hope he doesn't truth anyway. But he might truth that the prices are actually coming down.

Yeah, he could truth that. And then people will be happy. You should draft a truth and then send it down. Well, the thing is that they, like, he's going to do, you know, the sort of angle that they're going to take is to say, you know, as energy prices continue to go up, they're going to say, see, like you notice that there's wind turbines. in your state where there weren't 10 years ago

that's why the energy prices are going up so I feel like it's kind of incumbent on Democrats, people on the left, whatever, people who kind of care about climate change to sort of let people know that like it's that's not the reality like that I mean it sounds like the messaging is honestly

less less about climate now and more about affordability which has just kind of with Trump. The name is taking over politics now. Like, everyone is just talking affordability. And you're on, you're kind of on apps, you said. Like, I feel like you slide into a girls' DMs

and they talk about affordability. They're like they light up. Hey, what's up, baby? How much is you filling up your gas tank for? Yeah, exactly. Let me holler at you about gas. Yeah, you can holler about anything like that. You know, you can put 85 in that thing.

You don't need to be doing 91 and spending 20 cents extra per gallon. Your car can handle it unless it's like a German car. This is a too long of a DM. Yeah. But it is good. Wait, so I want to make the connection between this and climate change if I can. So the issue is that energy prices are high, and Trump has successfully hijacked the narrative and kind of steered everyone away from climate change by saying that it's bunk and it's bullshit

and renewable energy sources are not only gay, but they are way too expensive, actually. And the cheaper way, the fastest way to get energy prices down is to drill baby drill, get us some more oil, get us more coal, whatever it takes to bring prices down. Climate change, be damned because it's whey. Is that about right? That's, I think, what, yeah, I think that's sort of his line. Yeah, I mean, the denialism that's coming out of that administration is, I think, like, shocking. I think it's to an extent that it's way more extreme than it was. previously like um i don't know if you guys saw this one action that they took where they

um redefined carbon dioxide as a uh cool gas as a cool gas basically they're their dioxide's cool now carbon dioxide is is regulated under the clean air act and and through the EPA they which means that you know if you're a power plant you're emitting carbon dioxide as a greenhouse gas the government can say you know you have to admit less um and And through the EPA and the Department of Energy, they redefined it to say greenhouse gas is not harmful, which is just like completely counter to what we know about. To science that settled science. But yeah, I think I think you're right that that's that's like the approach that Trump is taking. And yeah, I feel like for Democrats, like the question is whether to just fully cede the climate change.

thing and just and just drop that out of the conversation totally and just only talk about affordability like you know because you have the ability to do that now that energy is cheaper or um recognize that like climate change is happening it's really bad you know it's it's not it's not being resolved in the speed that it needs to be resolved and and like keep sort of beating that drum in addition to talking about energy being uh cheaper so even though cleaner initiatives are now cheaper. Trump is still, is it because he's in the pocket

of the oil and gas lobby and because clean energy is gay? I think it's, yeah, like, I mean, there is like a famous, or there is a very notable story that came out. I think during the campaign about Trump having a fundraiser

where he had a bunch of oil executives there and he told them, if you help me raise a billion dollars, I'll give you whatever you want. Like kind of, that was the quote coming out of that. sounds about right yeah yeah um and they didn't give him a billion dollars but they gave you know they contributed about half a billion to to republicans in the last election cycle um and yeah i think um

i think it's that simple but but to be fair i i don't i mean not fair to trump it just seems like politically climate change has had you know politicians have basically just turned their back on this um yeah especially in this administration yes but my point is is outside of Trump and the Republicans, I don't think this is a thing that Democrats were really pushing to the forefront. No. I think that even in 2024, I think Kamala was trying to moderate her position. Like, am I for fracking now? I don't even know what I'm doing anymore. And I think even still, there's kind of this weird, obviously there's a lot of people trying to decide where are the Democrats going to go from here? We lost big in 2024. Like, we need to

put forth something that is going to recap. people in 2028 if we were going to win again. And there have been initiatives, especially from more centrist, moderate Democrats, like they put out a big, a big study project

called deciding to win. I don't know if you saw it. This is like a very aligned. Yeah, totally. And their whole thing is, it's very confusing. They're like, we got to be more popular. But the whole thing is a kind of mess.

But they talk about how they want to stay away from climate change. They're like, people don't like it. It bums people out. But I think they're really just capitulating. And it's, it's, it's politicians' jobs to, to, uh, drive the narrative on these things. And I, I think, I think it's just been a real failure to not take climate change in whatever direction and make it a popular winnable issue rather than just being like, I don't know, we're getting our asses kicked. Let's just, let's just frack. Yeah, it's tough. I mean, yeah, we've, like, in the past just few weeks, there have been a bunch of Democratic governors that have kind of reversed their positions on a lot of climate issues. In Pennsylvania, Josh Shapiro

pulled the state out of, I think it was like some greenhouse gas accounting program like a that was, you know, an example of a climate program that has cost. Because not, even though clean energy is cheaper, there are programs that, you know, they account for the damages that greenhouse gases do and they roll that into the price of the program. You know, if you're doing something where you're regulating a fossil fuel power plant like that does have a cost um and so shepiro pulled out of that in new york kathy hokel just okayed this this uh natural gas pipeline that had been rejected three times and now it's like that was maybe part of her i think it's been speculated that that was part of a deal that got one of those wind projects that was canceled

uncanneled by trump she like made some arrangement with him potentially to uh if she okay that pipeline. You uncancell that wind project. So I think you're right. Yeah, it's, it's really kind of messed up to see because it's not like the science is changing. Hey, everybody. We've got to take another quick break to thank another sponsor of the show. You know them, I know them. I love them. You love them. It's moo-moo. You know, we're always doing research to put these podcasts together. And one of the tools that we use and have used for the last two years, just so happens to be Mumu. For those unaware, if you've been living under a dang rock, say hi to those bugs for me. But Mumu is an all-in-one trading platform trusted by more than

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of my head, I mean, there's a way to talk about this in a winnable way. Like, your prices are going to come down and we're going to create jobs. All of these things we need to hire people and we're going to do massive investment and you're going to have a good paying job. Right. We're going to build out all the shit and your energy is going to get cheaper. And independence, I think, is a big one.

Yeah, if you're like a bare grills type. That is part of the drill baby drill is like, hey, we've got more reserves than we know what to do with and we should be accessing those, thus making ourselves less dependent on foreign oil. Right. So I guess. Which is funny because like if you're an oil company

and the price of gas is pretty low. Oops. If you're an oil company and, you know, Trump is just today, they announced a plant out open up drilling off the coast of California. If you're an oil company, you're not just psyched to lower your own profits by drilling if you have like a surplus of gas.

Like Trump just can't make people just extract a bunch more oil if they have, if like they're happy with the price that's set. Yeah. I think like to the point about making the case that people are excited about, there's a push to sort of make, It's called a make-polluter's pay campaign that would, in light of the fact that

while companies knew about climate change in the 50s, did everything they could to distort the narrative and spread doubt. And at times when we could have taken a different path and moved towards cleaner energy sources, they did everything they could to keep us on this sort of path that they knew would lead to catastrophe. But think about all the money they made. I know. Yeah, did you consider that?

Speaking around on a big, beautiful boat powered by stinky diesel. Yeah. So in light of that, you know, there's a push to say, okay, well, we need to adapt. No, climate change is here. There's prices of adaptation that we all pay for, you know, when our grid is harmed and we need to buy by extreme weather and we need to pay for that. That's the cost of climate change that we're paying when people are, you know, cases of asthma are going up and people's health care costs go up. That's a cost that we're

paying that is, um, that the fossil fuel companies should pay for. And I think like that's the case that people argue Democrats could make that's a little bit more like populace and, uh, and a little bit more resonant with people. It's like, look, corporate power has put us on this harmful path. Like, they should have, they should be held accountable. Which to me, I'm like, yeah, like, of course. Like, That is so obvious. You brought up the asthma thing. I didn't even think, I mean, from a messaging standpoint, the health, the health effects are another huge messaging thing that I don't often see.

I was just, did you ever read that, um, David Wallace Wells book? Yeah, that fucked me up. Oh, it's, yeah, yeah, yeah. What book? It's called, Uninhabitable Earth. Yeah, the uninhabitable Earth. Yeah, it's, uh, it's, I would say it's not a fun read. Yeah, um, I listened to it in the car.

I couldn't even, and my car was, just thinking out. But there are, he, he, I mean, I haven't read it in a while, but he talks about, I do remember one story where I think he has a whole chapter about health effects. And, um, there was studies done on just places that had switched from, uh, traditional toll booths where you stop or, or wheat in line to pay your toll and then continue on. And they switch to people, uh, or to the things where you just had a transponder. And so you just drive through and it just, asthma rates dropped like so much just because like in those areas you didn't have a bunch of cars just constantly sitting

and emitting emitting all this carbon dioxide I wonder if one of those was San Pedro here in LA County because the Vincent Thomas Bridge used to be a toll bridge and then now it's just free

used to have to stop and wait it's very possible what about nuclear and especially there's a lot of buzz about like small nuclear reactors and are not portable but you know modular yeah I'm not an expert in it sure but

you know the most recent nuclear project in the U.S. was in Georgia I think it's it maybe has just gone online and it was went many years over it's the deadline they had set billions and billions of dollars over so that's like a mega project I think the

idea is that the U.S. is not set up to do mega projects right now. It's not something we can do in a reliable way. It's just bureaucratic. That we're just not in the habit of doing them. You know, like there was a time when they were building nuclear plants and the cost curve was coming down. And now it's been so long since then, they kind of went out of fashion. And so now to sort of start up and do another big nuclear project. In the megaproject sense, very challenging. What you're talking about, the small modular reactors is, like, an exciting possibility, I think. And I think there's, like, one or two, maybe there's, like, one in Korea, one in China or something like that.

Like, it's not a right now technology. And so, when you talk about this, like, supply and demand question of energy demand that is, that's increasing with data centers and electrification generally. we need like a right now solution. And so nuclear doesn't really help that much for that. So like a lot of the tech companies which have all, they all have clean energy commitments, they all have like deals with small modular reactor companies to build them to power data centers.

And, you know, that's something that they may be able to do 10 years from now. But in the meantime, they are just, like, building their own natural gas generation on site, which is kind of, like, fucked up and sad. So, yeah, I think, I mean, the nuclear thing sounds cool to me. Like, I mean, it wouldn't be, I don't think it's something I would want, like, in my neighborhood. I think that's, like, an issue with it. Like, even these small ones, it's kind of like, uh-oh, like, that sounds a little spooky.

But, I mean, I think people oppose renewable energy projects. in their neighborhood, too. Like, there's a lot of, like, nimbism is a big factor here. Yeah, people generally just don't want large projects. Yeah, somehow these data centers seem to pop up everywhere, though. Yeah. They seem to be able to override that. They can just, like, do it wherever they should on.

But, yeah, no, it's true. Because from what I'd read and understood, especially with the big tech companies leaning toward the nuclear, was that, oh, maybe this will finally be the bipartisan kind of solution here. is, hey, it's very, very, very clean and very efficient and very cheap once it's up and running and at scale. Right. But like you said, the timelines on these are just so prohibitive. It's like we need something now, but it's increasingly looking like when you've got an adversarial administration at the helm.

Yeah. It's just so odd. Like to me, I don't even, I'm sure there's a reason why that's a bipartisan solution and solar panels aren't. but I just don't understand it it's like what is so I mean I guess it's like centralized power like not energy but just like literal power in a way that maybe appeals

to like really business minded Republicans where solar is like more decentralized maybe they like the danger maybe they think it's kind of sexy God that is sexy it is so perplexing because a lot of people like to point out how China is ahead of us and China's more advanced

and why can America have these nice EVs for example that they've got over there and oh, we've got all this bureaucracy over here that keeps us from having nice things and having an abundance of power and cheap power but then in the same breath they will poo-poo the very things and ideas that could put us on that path

like renewable energies. Yeah, it's so crazy. So where are we when it comes to actual climate change and like the Paris Accords and the whole if we reach you know

I don't know much about these tipping points I have to be honest like that stuff is really scary I have not done my like full research apart from reading uninhabitable earth

yeah but I mean even in those books and stuff it's like there's no way to and he says like these things aren't I can't say these things are going to happen or these things are going to happen

at this time or whatever it's just it's and it all depends on what step are taken now and in the future, obviously it'd be better if we started taking steps sooner. And we don't know how much we can mitigate. I mean, no one can tell you what's going to. Yeah, the thing I know about Paris Agreement stuff, we've like, you know,

Paris Agreement was 1.5 degrees Celsius or 2 degrees Celsius where like the two targets kind of hit 1.5 degrees Celsius last year. Nice. Early. And that's good, right? Yeah, yeah. And that was for 4, 2,100, where we're on. track to hit based on projections now is like three degrees Celsius between three and four. But I think like one sort of heartening fact is that 10 years ago prior to the parish agreement

we were on track to hit like over four for sure. Basically we've shaved off one degree Celsius which is pretty significant when you think about like I feel like there is a lot of talk of like we nobody's doing anything about climate change and I feel like that's not true like that the fact that you know one degrees when we're talking about four degrees and then you shave off one that's kind of that's kind of good it's not going to do a lot of good to people who are in like island countries that get swallowed up by the ocean like that's really fucked up and it shouldn't happen but but um you know that's significant that's like something but we've pulled out of the pairs agreements we've also i think

uh cop 30 is currently happening right now we are not yeah so yeah we pulled out of it. It's the only country to pull out ever. And... Well, we're not trying to get another country pregnant, so might as well pull out. Great. That's another good line for the dating app. I think. Maybe that. I don't know. I hate myself. No, don't say that. No, I'm kidding. It's because I called you a geek earlier, and now that's really stuck with you.

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i know yeah there was a fire there the other day you never want a fire at the at the climate that's a fucking metaphor for some shit i know what you know that's got to be a metaphor well what concerns me is the fire when you think about we could do we could switch overnight to all renewables and from what i understand it still wouldn't uh can we'd be more than off-sense set by China and India alone. Well, I don't know about that because one I mean like you say like China is moving

really really fast towards cleaner energy faster than anyone yeah, they're building I think the statistic is like a nuclear power plant's worth of clean energy every of renewable energy every like 18 hours it's like a ton of like

you kind of picture it like this like Sim City and these guys are working at three fast forward speeds. I mean, you picture that in SimCity? It's alarming. It's the like many people, myself included, were wondering if when the Big Beautiful Bill passed, if we just committed national suicide here. I mean, I don't know how we compete on a national level with, I mean, we have, we're looking at three more, three more years of, I mean, a guy trying to basically dismantle this thing. And it's not like all that stuff is just going to get turned back on. If, if someone with some sense

gets an office in three years. Well, and then the utter disdain they have for all things higher education and almost discouraging and shaming people that go to college as being this mark of elitism instead of like, we should be prioritizing and making, it's another thing

where they're like, look at China and look at how well they're doing. It's like, yeah, they prioritize things like education. Interestingly, not to talk trash on China, but the things they're doing are things that we invent it. like we invented solar panels They're stealing from us

They're just like They're really good at You know And I'm sure they're great At inventing stuff also But these are technologies That came from the US American Chinese food

Yeah General Sos chicken Yeah Orange chicken etc Yeah But but Getting back to the idea That it's like

We're going to be out Our whatever we do would be outweighed by what other countries do I think Renewable Energy is

as good as a solution in the rest of the world as it is in the U.S., in parts of the country where they're in energy poverty, and they really, you know, parts of the world

where they're in energy poverty and really may not have energy, you know, you can build a small solar array and then have... And a lot of people are, and honestly, fearing much better than developing countries who got themselves on,

reliant on oil. Right. Countries often won't see the same severe shocks that like someone I wish I could remember there's a country who has been importing a lot of their energy with cheap solar panels

and stuff from China they are insulated from the shocks that nations that are reliant on oil whenever oil prices spike it's very difficult for them to combat those things and more to your point things like we're talking about

like the Paris Agreement and COP 30 yes they're not maybe accomplishing the things we want right now, but the point is that this is not a, it's not a, one country's not going to solve it. It is a global problem. And ideally, we'd be working together. And if, if the United States is leading the way on these things, that is a massive directional change. It's not just like, oh, well, China and India, so we might as well. Yeah. And one thing I feel like I've learned in the past years, like, I don't, you know, don't quote me on this, but I don't

think the U.S. has ever led the way on this, really. Like, they've pretty much always been an obstacle, you know, at all these, in all these attempts at multilateralism around climate, like, they've never been, we've never been doing it really, really well. I think, like, it's always been other countries that, particularly countries that are most vulnerable, that have been, like, the loudest voices calling for faster action. So as much as, as bad as it is, to have Trump in charge. It's not like we've ever had anyone in charge who's like, I mean, Biden did some good stuff with the Inflation Reduction Act,

but it's not like we've ever had a full climate warrior leading country. That was kind of a, that was like the one thing that I remember gave me some kind of optimism was. It was so long ago. I wish I could remember who it was. They asked some climate scientists to like give your at least, give some optimistic take here. How would you give people hope? And they basically said

that things are dire, but we've never tried. We've never tried to solve it. Right. We've never, like, actually tried to solve it. Right. So we don't know what we're capable of because we've, we've never even made any kind of real legitimate effort. Yeah. And I think you know, another thing to keep in mind, like a metaphor I heard, or rather like a

idea that I heard that I thought was really good is that every degree, every fraction of a degree counts. And if your garage is on fire, you don't say, okay, my whole house is on fire. You know, you, like, you deal with the problem that's in front of you. So I think it's definitely a bad idea to say, like, we're fuck. But at the same time, I mean, people need to, people need to get loud. Well, so what, I mean, you guys are kind of like in the business of getting loud, uh, so, you know, what is that? Yeah, sort of. I mean, yeah, I think you guys are kind of, you know, directly involved with the narrative of climate, right? Yeah, I feel like my, what I was, I was just thinking about this today, like, uh, I, if, if, I don't know what I would do

right now to personally make an impact other than, you know, um, if I owned a house, also I would get solar panels on. If I owned, I would get a heat pump rather than a boiler. But I know that like learning a lot about this has just made me feel that actions that I take in the future as my life goes forward will be as like climate conscious as possible because yeah, it's just like, you know, it's a really interesting issue. It's really tragic and, you know, it's going to take. collective action but you know

the more that you incorporate that thinking into your life just by becoming like sort of a spokesperson for the fucking yeah but I'm curious how like the crooked

climate initiative I'm just curious more about what their I guess what the goals yeah are exactly on driving narrative based yeah totally

change I think it's you know in the absence of political discourse or discourse coming from politicians about climate. I think there's a space for any sort of person making things talking on a microphone to kind of step into the void and just sort of remind people that this isn't going away. I was talking to our mutual friend, Zach Bornstein, our beloved friend. Shout out, Zach Bornstein. And he was like, climate is my number, at one time this was

my number one issue. And now it feels like the rise of fascism. And, you know, people, getting taken off the streets and deported has just taken on such such greater gravity than that that climate has kind of fallen out and that's totally good and fine that is yeah it's what a lot of people

but like we like I was saying before I feel like it fell out before that it just wasn't a big issue in the election and I don't quite know how to account for it it's like it's whatever Trump says goes and becomes reality I mean it tells everybody it's not a big deal

it's fucking nothing it's fake news We have no choice but to live in that world. No, but that's what I'm saying. I don't think that's true. And that's a failure. I think that's a failure of politicians who are just capitulating to that. I think they choose to live in his reality and go, we don't know what to do. So fracking, I guess, we're going to frack.

But yeah, I really, I don't, like, remember the sunrise movement? Right. I mean, yeah, it's true. And right now the sunrise movement has made, they were instrumental in the, activism that led to the Inflation Reduction Act, you know, the Green New Deal sort of evolved into the more like

moderated inflation reduction act. But yeah, even in 2020, it was like, it was like the sunrise movement has graded every Democratic candidate's climate plan and they gave Joe Biden an F. And everyone was like, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He's toast.

But yeah, even they have, they made like a public announcement about pivoting their messaging to, become more about authoritarianism and just taking on... Yeah, which makes sense in the moment. Yeah. Yeah, I think it's... You can't really begin to have climate action under authoritarianism or fascism, whatever.

But I think, I mean, that doesn't address what you're saying about just Democrats talking about it. And I think, I don't know, maybe those centrist pollster deciding to win people have some, like, rationale and saying that it's not an issue that people, that hits people's ear well when they, like, have a bunch of other problems. I think what they're going off of is what Ben saying is almost like a capiturial. like, look, we're getting our asses kicked out there on that, like, just don't bring it up. They don't want to hear about it. Rather than being like, hey, let's, how can we, how can we actually talk about this? And I mean, this goes much deeper. I think the problem is that they

oftentimes can't because their jobs kind of depend on them not talking about climate change because they are also a corporate party. I think it's also tough because not only just Americans, but humans generally, we are a very skeptical species. Right, right. And it's really hard to tell people, you know, this, not that it's nebulous, but like, hey, we are projecting years into the future. People are bad enough with planning for good things. Right, right. You know, like their own fucking retirement. Yeah. And it's really hard to get everybody. I think it's just really hard to get everybody on board unfortunately until it's too late

and the problem staring them in the face and even then when you start to have catastrophic damage from hurricanes or flooding or whatever wildfires you just blame that on trans people you blame it on immigrant trans handicapped people

or just anything else Democrat negligence in in if it's a Democrat run city or state or something oh they didn't prepare enough so I don't know it just feels like a

very tough thing to get people on board for when you can't say here's this thing it's a problem now that you've got to yeah and I think denial coming out of the fossil fuel industry is very smart like they're not dumb about it

and they have a lot of smart people figuring out how to make these messages stick you know at this point you can't easily as a conservative politicians say climate change isn't real. I mean, they did that for a long time. Now they can't do it anymore. It's just so obvious with all the extreme weather. So now there's more evolved lines where they say they kind of deny the solution or they talk about how climate change is real, but in some ways it's good. That's like a, that's like

a big line coming out of Trump's Secretary of Energy. He's like, more carbon dioxide means more plants. He literally says there's more plant food in the air. So climate change. So burning fossil fuels is good. And so and you know like talking about my job like posting stuff on the crooked ideas Instagram and TikTok and stuff. We get a lot of comments that are, they're very informed denying some of the solutions we're talking about, but they're informed in this completely like disinformation based direction where it's like people have really evolved. ideas about why solar panels are not effective, or why climate change is not something that needs to be addressed. But yeah, they're so, they're so biased by like disinformation

of how of rich people. I always thought that perhaps a winning idea or a winning narrative rather would just be, hey, even if you wouldn't say this exactly, but like even if this is wrong or incorrect, wouldn't it be nice to have clean air and clean water? But what about a 4-F-150? And we can make the F-150 fucking hybrid. We've got hybrid. I want to hear it. I have to say, that is the lamest thing to me. I mean, look, some people

need a truck. But it's so funny to be like, look, I want an EV because I care about the planet, but it has to be a Hummer. Like, just like don't. I mean, that's a whole issue. And I find it it's the most American way to come at this problem. They are building the Hummer EV is a perfect example. we are building electric vehicles that are so heavy that it like it's not even um it's not even

efficient i think yeah i think i'll say i think these are still more efficient than if even if you're getting your energy for your hummer evi from the grid which is coming from a natural gas plant that's still more efficient than than burning gas in your car but it's true and uh and you know to use your word earlier the gay word i think a hummer evie is gay yeah they are they are do you guys remember F-U-H-2? F-U-H-2. Oh, yeah, yeah, totally. I was featured on that website.

Wait, I didn't do it. F-U-H-2.com. I just thought that was maybe a movement. I didn't realize that was a site. It was, it was a website where you, um, uh, but did they shut it down? People would just, take photos of Hummers. So that is very funny. We got to bring that back.

You submit it. When I was a kid, I was, uh, although a very Democrat coded. That's cool. There should also be a sticker on the Hummer that says, I got this before. Elon went nuts. Even though, like, I know he didn't make those. It's just kind of be a funny sticker to put it on that. I can get that for my truck.

I got this before he went nuts. And it's like, who? Timmy Toyota? You said I know some people need a truck. I don't want to call out my truck guys out there, but... Yeah, careful. You're sitting next to one. I'm going to call out my truck guys.

Mine's efficient. Yours is fine. Yours is like a tiny old truck. But there is nothing that gets me more than like your... Wait, you say more hard? No, no. gets me more like more pissed I think he said nothing more hard

go get got to go you're you're constantly sparkly clean massive pickup truck in a city like you're in New York and there's just a guy just halfway into the bike lane because his truck is so big it's like what do you doing with this thing when I see a car that has a snorkel on it

I'm like you guys know I'm talking about oh yeah what are you you're like doing like tours of the bay or you're like driving around what on earth is this thing yeah you see those in australia a lot that's cool i think that that's totally fine because they they are on efficient more efficient smaller trucks well they gotta be ready for the whole mad max thing well and you know flooding and stuff yeah and mad max snorkels vehicle snorkel i would see one in my neighborhood in los fullys all the time a snorkel a snorkel truck with like you know those

little um gas uh cans gas cans on the side of maybe he's froting a lot you don't know what he's doing on the weekends but you said it's what froding what's that offroading oh oh oh Boy, you guys didn't grow up in Southern California. Certainly not. If you said floating in New Jersey, you'd get killed. I thought that was a sex act for sure. Wait, so what? What were you going to say? I was going to ask what off-roading has to do with the snorkel.

But I guess it's off-roading in a deep source. You might end up crossing a river. You might up having to fjord a river? You guys ever been to driven past Akatio Wells by Hansa-Berego Desert? You just threw two words at me that I don't know. I've been to Brigo for the courts. Oh, really?

Oh, yeah, of course. Ocoteo Wells is like a skate park for cars that they have out there. Oh, that's fun. It's the, I think it's the birthplace of off-roading four by four. It's so cool. I bet there's a ton of Jeep owners out there.

There's a lot of Jeep owners and there's, I just, I drove by there and there's just a bunch of kids on dirt bikes. It's called OCO. Oh, there it is. It's so cool. Look at that. This is our problem, though. Americans...

No, but this is cool. It's called Truck Haven. I mean, that's Mad Max. We love too much... We love freedom. We love the guns and we love the cars. We really want to fuck our cars. And I don't know how you break people off that. I know. You make that seem gay. That is...

That's the Democrats next turtles. We need our sharpest minds talking about how to change the narrative on this. Yeah. How it... Man, our sharpest mind. there, get on the, we need to get Joe Biden, wheel him out, and he gets on the mic and says I love your cars are gay. No, no,

it says that they're cool. Oh, oh, sorry. You got to make it lame. Oh, and then, but then him saying it makes people not like it. Is that what you're saying? Yeah, yeah. Okay, Joe Biden's saying, I love my Ford F-350 and I love taking it to Ocoteo Wells and doing that. I'll take anybody on who wants to, they would, they'd be like,

ah, well, this is lame, I don't want to do this anymore. Yeah, that's true. We got to get, Joe Biden likes this. We got to get Red Bull to sponsor. Joe Biden is driving like a Ford F-150 over a bunch of electric vehicles or whatever he's like, I'm gonna own... I'm gonna crush these stupid

he did do, gay EVs. Yeah, he did do a Hummer, uh, Hummer EV. That was a funny like Joe Biden thing. I think maybe it was related to the inflation reduction act. He was like, guys, EVs are cool. Like, here I am behind the wheel of a Hummer AV. Hummer AV sales plummet at the next thing.

No way. Maybe. We also, I'm just sort of theory. We also need bikini babes doing washing, uh, washing like a Nissan leaf. Oh, that could be good. Or, yeah, Nissan Leafs. Some of them are sexy, man, the Hyundai Ionic?

The Hyundai is there, yeah, that's cool. I mean, the solar, some of it is funny. I mean, if you have any kind of beef with solar panels, I've lived in multiple houses now with solar panels, and seeing your electric bill come down, fucking whips ass. California has screwed up real bad with those, the rooftop one. No kidding.

California screwed something up? Yeah, they changed the rules. Also, it used to be that you would, when you sold excess energy from your solar panel back to the utility, it was like one to one of what you paid for energy, but they cut it to 25%. Oh, that is bullshit. I made that with my own roof. I know, that's amazing.

I harness the power of the summer. I gave it back to you. You have that? Yeah. That's so cool. It is. They did stop working, though, and we had to fix it, which was annoying. How did you fix it?

We had to hire someone. Okay. It was not an unplug-and-plug situation. That, believe me, now, that would have been a... He's got a count to three, maybe. Yeah, I went up on the roof and just was like, and just got down. I was like, what am I doing up here? You bought knee pads.

That is not in a meal fixing it situation. Well, folks, let us know what you think. Is climate change a hoax? Are EVs and solar panels gay? And also, you know what I mean. Come on. Well, John, before you go, do you have any parting words for us? We also want to let you plug anything you want to play.

Thank you for coming on. Yeah, plug in a fucking... Battery. Plug in a battery or a solar panel, for Christ's sakes. You know, go follow the ideas account, the Crooked Ideas account at Cricket Ideas. Everywhere social media is found. Everywhere they find social. And then if you were listening to this

and you sort of like the more comedic aspects of my humor I follow John Yeah follow me and I'm making a I made a short film that we're going to post in January I think and that's really fun I made him a crooked idea car No this is just

This is just something I did with my pal John Mackey But I'm excited about it Two Johns one movie I know we may Yeah and it's it's like that It's like the thing he referenced The two Johns one movie And where can they follow you

Yeah what's your Oh um I think on Instagram I'm J. Milstein 1. He thinks. Yeah, I believe. And then, I don't know, spell that. Spell that. J. M-I-L-L-S-T-E-I-N, number one. And then, yeah, there's X. My name's also J-Milstein, J. So you can go over there and then I have all sorts of posts. Yeah, I have posts galore.

Wow, you're one of the early ones on threads. Look at that. You're in the six digits. That's pathetic. What do you mean the six digits? Do you like it? Can you go back up? It has, you're basically ranked. Can you erase this?

Do you go out there that early? No, it's stuck on there. This is live. Did you ever get on threads? Yeah, I have. I threaded. Can we see what Ben's is? I don't take mine shows on there.

Trids can really be awesome. But John is a very fun follow. He's a very funny boy. He's also very smart. And he's doing God's work over it. This was so fun. I cook good ideas. So go follow him.

And we're all looking forward to the Two Johns movie. I'm not on there. The Untitled Two Johns Project. Yes. Can you see mine? Can you see what? my threads thing is? I don't know if I even have one. Just go to Instagram.

Reds can really deliver. You guys remember in week one of threads? I guess not because there only I was. I was there. I know I joined it at some point. Why am I being shadow banned on here? There we go. Every beautiful person. There were so many beautiful people on threads whose first thread was like

what sort of content do you want for me on threads? Like you have like a million Instagram followers but no thoughts. My favorite thing was it was just like for a week it was just like brands being like, what's up? That's crazy. Mine's all like porn.

When I go on there, that's my, because I never go on there. Says a lot about him. Well, no, my explore page, since I'm not on there, it's default is just like, but you don't mean women. It's like, it's like, it's like only fans. He does watch a lot of weird videos, though. It's like only fans girls being like,

what outfit, would I get banned if I wore this? The internet is, I really feel like we have a response we need to turn it off. It's so bad. I am fully in favor. Someone needs to go to the bottom of the ocean and cut the cables. It's the only solution. We got to train a shark to go down there and bite the cable.

I feel like that. Oh, sorry. No, no. Sorry, you go. One bipartisan thing that we should. I think that the Republicans really got on board with, we hate porn. I think Democrats should embrace that, too. I agree.

I think porn, I kind of do think it's kind of evil. Yeah. No, it is bad. It definitely is not good for people's souls and it's doing something to it. But if you're doing it, you're making good living and you're happy, that's good. I don't think it's evil in the sense of like it's against God. No, I don't think I think

I think everything right now is bad for us because of the way it's delivered to us I think we were never supposed to have just like constant information being like just chucked at us and that includes like

breasts. Sure, I think you know, you rent a porno fucking have at it. It's like gambling. You should have to go to a store. Yeah,

but just the fact that it's inescapable, the fact that like I'm just like, let me scroll a little bit on Twitter. It's like, cool, there's an asshole, there's some tits. What the fuck? What fuck is going on?

Damn, what's your timeline look like? Jesus Christ. Anyway, all right, folks. Thanks for tuning in. Happy Thanksgiving. Follow John. And DMM. Shut up, dude.

Stop. All right, over. Coming up on this week's episode of Ben and Emile show.com. Yeah, it fits anywhere. Maybe it's not the coolest thing, but I like that people. Look at that. Look at how dumb this lady looks. why though you're a it's extremely affordable sure be it fits wow look at all those colors

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some old Asian lady came in. It was like clearly holding her piss. Like in her hand? Or like, I got to go. No, no. I look up. And was like,

I forgot to put it in the basket. And I was like, get out of it. here. Piss lady. I don't want to see you holding your piss. Yeah.