The Ben and Emil Show - BAES 137: ICE is Out of Control!

Episode Date: January 29, 2026

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Two people dead by ICE, Renee Good, and now Alex Pready, there are, I think that's the fifth since September. ICE? They have to be jobless losers. Not that you're a loser if you don't have a job. What other, what person would quit their job to go do this instead? Prior to this happening, seven Democrats broke with Democrats to vote with Republicans to pass through this bill, which had something like an additional $10 million to ICE. Tom Suazzi from New York is, is one who he like had to send out an email to all his uh he got so much pushback guys i'm sorry about that i thought it was the else entirely i didn't know i said i can live with one woman being executed but when they did that second guy that's when i said hey you know what

that one's on me did you see that thing with edward norton very funny i think he's sitting next to olivia wild and set rogan and olivia wild is nodding along the whole time and set rogan honestly looked a little uncomfortable can we get a nod at of set rogan on this Brogan sucks ass now. Does he? I don't... Their heydays behind them, now they're just... I don't know.

They're just not funny to me anymore. Don't tell them I said that. Hey, everybody. Welcome back. We've got a special edition of the show this week because Emil is sick and he's very ill. I'm not sick. He had to block him up in the hospital.

He's got a new strain of bat... The new mystery Indian illness. I was at a wet market. Yeah, you were at a wet market. I said, you got to stay going to those dry markets, man. The dry markets is where you won't get sick. And he ate a bat. And now here we are.

A Chinese Indian guy gave him a bat. It says, slur upon this. That's not true. I got Snowden. I got Snowden in New York City. You ever heard of it? You got Edward Snowden. And I got Edward Snowden in New York City.

we released government secrets. Zoran Mamdani put me to work. I was digging out sanitation trucks. Morning tonight. Did I get any poop? Is that what you asked? Did you get any poop on you? From the sanitation truck.

Yeah. First thought, poop? Sanitation truck. Oh, I was thinking of like a thing that takes out the slurps out the porta potty, not garden. I think you're always thinking poop. I think you're always thinking poop. That's not true.

Anyway, we've got a great show for everybody today, despite being on, despite being on, what's this program called? Riverside. We're on Riverside.com. Anyway, we're going to be talking about the ice shooting in Minneapolis, Minnesota. That's what I was going to say, is it going to be a great show? I feel sick. I feel sick in my stomach.

Yeah, it's not going to be the most uplifting. but we're just going to talk about it and our thoughts on it and our, what we're thinking happens next and hereafter and the effects that it had on the entire political climate. And literally what's going on right now with the Trump administration. And then if we've got time, we're going to probably get to this stuff about just the markets and... Maybe a little TikTok, maybe a little TikTok. And also, we have some really cool news for you guys. we have new merch coming.

Very soon. Oh, yeah, very soon. Not only that, but perhaps the even bigger piece of news is that the new acid video is ready. Which a lot of people were worried we were going to bury. And we thought about it because it was just footage of me having the worst time I've ever had in my life, maybe. But we figured you guys deserve to see me have the worst time I've ever had. Yeah, we both, um, I did not like that. day, but we have fun.

We did have fun regardless. And that will come out on Monday, I think. And we're going to have a special pretty much. Monday for you, Monday for us. Monday for everybody. And it's going to have a longer version that's twice as long, just for subscribers. So, oh, yeah. If you want to sign up, you can watch.

I think the full cut is 46 minutes or something like that. If you want the full, if you want the full freakout of me, in all my claustrophobic glory on an old train with no way out. That sucks shit. Oh, my God. Just every, all the, the world's ugliest people. Anyway. It's all in there, folks.

It's all in there. Oh, boy. Well, so in case you've been living under a rock, you know who to say hi to. you know who to say hi to the bugs because uh what day did that happen Saturday was Saturday I'm having a real bad time with uh it's basically it feels like every I've probably said it so many times I've been doing such a good job of trying to I brick my phone and I'm like look I just don't need to be I don't need to be on Instagram I don't need to be on Twitter I can log off and then it feels like something happens every weekend where Sarah's like do you want to know and I'm

like, should I know? That's how she leads with. That's what she leads with is, hey, do you want to know? This one, she just, she, I was leaving the house and she said she was deciding whether or not to tell me. And then when I came back, she was like, I just have to tell you. I shot another person. I was like, no.

And I was like, I didn't want to know. And she was like, yeah, but I just, I had to. And then obviously, I'm just. looking stuff up and it's horrific. And I mean, it's worse than you could even imagine. That's the thing when she's like, I got to tell you, you're like, all right, how bad could it be? And you're like, oh, wow, way worse than I thought, way worse than I actually could have imagined.

And I thought she was exaggerating when she said, like, they shot him 10 times. I was going, yeah, okay, come on. And then it's just, you think it can't get worse and it just, it can get way worse. Yeah. So his name was, was it Alex Pready? Yeah. Alex Pretty. And he, he, an important distinction that I've seen is that it wasn't a protest yet. It became a protest after he got shot. He was there from what I saw as what, a legal observer? Yeah, observing, observing eyes. Yeah. And I mean, you can clearly see beforehand. He's just, he's holding his phone, landscape mode. He's watching the ice guys.

He's chirping a little bit, as is his right. He's not interfering. He's not doing his whistle. He had a whistle. I didn't even think he was blown one. Oh, maybe he didn't have a whistle. Someone else did, because you can hear it going off. And then there's a woman who's also not really doing anything.

She's just kind of, she's sort of getting in the face of one of the guys. And that ice guy just shoves her to the ground. and Alex, our good Samaritan, goes to help her up. And in doing so, the ice agent starts fucking tussling with him and wraps him up. All the other guys swarm him. And he's, he's truly like, he's still just holding his phone and, like, going, like, hands up showing that he's not a threat. And, yeah, I mean. I mean, there's a very good, I think, I don't recognize, I don't necessarily

recommend anyone go and seek it out. It's pretty brutal. But before this, just to at least have a better understanding of it, because I watched a brief video and I was like, you know, obviously watching people get executed is not a thing I enjoy. But for the sake of this, just to be able to talk about the New York Times that are basically like a six minute breakdown of the, from different angles. And yeah, it's, it's horrific. Also, you know, you kind of alluded to the fact that he was putting himself in between the ICE officers and I think it's two different women. They're assaulting. Two dangerous criminal women, mind you.

Yeah. I think it is, it's, I don't know, this, it's impossible to not, it's impossible to not, at least note the irony of these kind of these right wing guys living out these. insane fantasies. They kind of fancy themselves, I don't know, medieval knights or, you know, all of this imagery that they put in things and they're protecting the homeland.

Yeah, and they're like protecting women. And this guy they executed is actually doing that. You know, he's actually stepping in between these brutal state-sponsored thugs who are just pushing women to the ground from point blank range laying into them with chemical. I don't even know.

It may seem like an understatement. I mean, these people are covered in this like orange goo. I'm sure, I'm sure people are going to have all kinds of problems. But, you know, this guy was actually doing what these people think they're doing. Yeah. I was worried when they started showing the other angles that you were going to see him reaching for his concealed carry gun. You do not because he did not.

It was taken from him, which was probably the only, the only smart move done by anyone in that, or done by any of the ICE agents at least, removing that from the, and then did we still not know if he accidentally fired it? And then it made them all think. That's what I saw.

But if you watched the New York Times thing, it looks like the guy who takes it, I think that happens after. I think that shot goes off after. But he's basically, the guy who shoots that first shot is still messing with another woman. He pulls out his mace to hit her. It malfunctioned.

He pulls back a little bit to try to adjust it. I guess he can't get it going. Draws his gun on Alex Pretty. shoot him. And yeah, I mean, it's absolutely shocking. Yeah, like a cartoon, they all just fucking lay into them. A lifeless body. A lifeless body.

They're shooting. No longer any kind of threat, not that he ever was. And it also, I think what probably could have happened also is one of them probably when he's got a gun. And then they all. says, yeah, one says there's a, one alerts them all to the, to the fact that there's a weapon. Yeah. And so a lot of things happened after that. At first it was kind of, it was, because I'm sure once you, once you unbicked your phone, you were just glued to the timeline. Hey guys, we want to take a quick break to tell you a little bit about Blood Flow 7. Are you feeling tired?

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So I was like refreshing. I still have access to the Chrome app and I was just like refreshing New York Times. And it's just horrific. Also, important to point out, obviously they, everyone saying, you know, two people dead by Ice, Renee Good. And now Alex Preti, there are, there are more. Yeah, there's more than that. I think. I think that's the fifth since September.

Because, yeah, you had Renee Good. And a lot of people have been trying to point this out. There was Keith Porter in Los Angeles on New Year's Eve. What happened there? Ice agents are claiming that he raised a weapon at him. I don't think we've seen footage or anything. I think with everything I've seen after this has gone on, I wouldn't buy that.

They say, yeah. Not only that, I think we've seen the way they've behaved on camera. I can only imagine the things that go on off camera. You know, I mean, we have stories. There's horrific stories about, I'm sure you saw that thing being spread around. I think it was actually from the ACLU there reports about them sexually. I don't know what you would even call it. Assaulting or maiming a lot of the detainees.

There's reports of young men. The ice agents squeezing their testicles until they're... I don't even know. It's horrific. I didn't see it. I mean, I can probably find it. Well, if you're finding that. I have it right here.

At the largest immigration detention site in the country, officers beat up Samuel, a detained teenager who uses a pseudonym so badly he had to go to the hospital. His right front tooth broke and said, one officer grabbed my testicles and firmly crushed them, while another forced his fingers deep into my ears. He added to that weeks after the beating damage to his left ear was so severe that he now has trouble hearing. It's, you know, extreme and unlawful use of force is also prominent at four. list several detained individuals have described violent assaults by officers including sexual

abuse, Ignacio Samuel and others report officers crushing their testicles during beatings. Tactic used while people were already restrained or after they refused coerced removal to Mexico. And it just goes on. There's more people alleging that treatment. There's also that kid, I can't remember what city it's in. It might have been in L.A. who got shot in the face with a non-lethal round and now he's blind in that eye. Oh yeah. I mean the the the the true number of casualties from this from this brutal force that is supposed to be keeping American safe is is untold.

Yeah. The things I've seen this week, the videos of a woman, she had like parts of her hand blown off from probably some kind of like canister or non-lethal whatever. It's absolutely horrific. People, I'm sure those people are going to have. have severe damage to their eyes. Those people, you see those images with the point blank, just the orange goo on their face. Yeah. Yeah, it can't be good for your eyes and sinuses to have orange goo chemical irritant. No.

No. And I guess they're... Worth noting that these guys, I mean, it's a good reminder that these aren't, these aren't like career. some of them are, for sure, who have been in ice for however long. But a good amount of them, because they were so understaffed, and because of the scope and the magnitude of what the Trump administration is trying to do, a lot of these are just guys who just joined. And yeah, I mean, they didn't get complete training because part of the thing, as we've talked about, is they're trying to do it quickly and they're trying to flatter Trump's ego by doing.

the training in 47 days, which is just almost, I don't even know whether to believe that at this point because it's so fucking ridiculous. But these are guys who, they have to be fucking jobless losers. Not that you're a loser if you don't have a job, but what other, what person would quit their job to go do this instead? Unless you have anything going. And also on top of that, they're clearly trying to appeal to proud boys types who are like it's the perfect it's the perfect marriage of the two it's guys like that who fucking hate

brown people and and feel like they they need to do something and not only are they able to do it but they're getting paid to do it yeah but those uh so yes we I think we went live after the Renee good one and we were talking about a lot of this. And a lot of people were pointing out that $50,000 bonus.

What I have seen pointed out since then is that there's like a five-year holding period there. You have to be employed by ICE for five years. None of these people are getting that. There's no way by 2031 you're getting that $50,000 bonus. So if there are any ICE members watching, just quit now. You're not getting that bonus. And it's only going to get worse. Also, you know, we said a similar thing about,

the training thing. And I didn't realize at the time of that Renee Good shooting, I guess that guy, Jonathan Ross, was an ice agent for a long time, which a lot of people have been pointing out, this is, yes, the training thing is ridiculous. We've flooded a city with untrained, you know, the most, yeah, unemployed, unemployable, right-wing, angry guys. Fantacists. And, and, and, And that is problematic, but this whole organization is problematic. That guy, Jonathan Ross had been on the job for a long time and at ample training. I don't think we'll ever find out, or I don't know. I don't know if we'll ever find out who these people who shot Alex Pready were.

I think Greg Bovino was talking about how they've removed them very quickly from Minneapolis and even Minnesota. it, and I think they are not releasing information about them for the safety of the ICE agents. That's what he's saying. What did the other agent, what was his history, and are they both working right now, or are they on administrative lead? All agents that were involved in that scene are working, not in Minneapolis, but in other locations. That's for their safety.

There's this thing called doxing, and the safety of our employees is very important. We're going to keep those employees safe as far as the number of shots, the number of agents involved. That, again, is going to come out in the investigation. So I don't think we quite know the, I don't think we know the status of their training. But clearly, but that's the point. I mean, when, you know, obviously everyone's saying this is not, we need to end this. And there's obviously a contingency that's getting smaller and smaller now of saying like, well, we're going to to reform it. It's like, no, that is what this is. You need to get rid of this. Well, I guess that would be a

good way to talk about what's happening now, which is that Trump spoke to Tim Walts and they apparently agreed that the focus, which just speaks to how the focus wasn't on this, how they need to really focus on getting the criminals. getting all the criminal undocumented people out. And he's meeting with, is it Jacob Fry? Is that his name? Oh, the mayor, yeah. Mayor, meeting with Fry today.

Or Frey, who knows? I'm not going to, I don't stand by Fry. I don't stand by Frey. I don't know. But Greg Bovino didn't get fired. He just got relocated to El Centro, I think, California. Yeah, but according to some, They're saying, like, it's a little bit of a process of like, let's quietly, you know, let's make him go away. But we'll see. We will see it.

And they're instead sending in the border czar, Tom Homan, who's really, God, man, this guy's so, have you heard him talk? I have heard him talk. He's just a big blustery. He's just a big blustery old guy. You don't understand. Just a. And he, at least. I mean, comparatively to Greg Bovino seems a lot more, like, level-headed about it, which is some kind of saving grace that, okay, at least this guy is not going to be as psychopathic and as much of a liar if there's any good to come out of this swap. I'd be surprised. I mean, yeah, I think he's a bit more like institutional. I think he a bit knows how to, you know, Greg Bovino is like, he was not afraid to play up this.

Just how just the same way, you know, if you go on Department of Homeland Security's Twitter page, it's just full of like right wing, not even right wing, like fully white supremacists, like Nazi shit. Greg Bovino is like not afraid to evoke that, you know, he knows what he's doing when he's putting on the trench coat and the, I mean, I don't know if it was. I don't know who profiled him, but they took those kind of stark black and white images of him in the trench coat with the hair all done.

And, you know, he's not afraid to be like, I like looking like an SS officer. This guy, yeah, Jesus Christ. You know, and I think Tom Homan's like, I'm going to put a fucking suit on. I'm still going to lie to your face, but I'm going to do it in a way that plays on CNN. And we're going to go from here.

We're going to lower the temperature. Yeah, Tim Walts. I think that's the difference, yeah. Yeah. Walt said it's a collaborative tone was struck between him and the president. And it's interesting because, yeah, we're seeing when it was going on all weekend, it was fascinating to see and extremely frustrating to see some of the right-wing Twitter influencers and accounts and whoever just lockstep defending it. and saying this guy was an idiot and what was he doing, going to a protest with a gun.

And some even saying he pulled a gun. He clearly pulled a gun on him. And they're using just like a deceptive, just a single screenshot of the entire sequence where for a moment his hand is behind his back. But when it comes back out, he's still holding his phone. Just trying to do their, what? Well, I was going to say the Second Amendment crowd is awfully, is. awfully doing a real heel turn. Hey guys, we've got to take another quick break to talk about looking good and feeling good.

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They won't abandon to get on their knees for daddy. It shouldn't be surprising, but it's just unbelievable. It would be funny if it wasn't so scary and sad. Yeah. They were all just like, it's the same deal of, uh, as what they were doing with, um, the, the woman who got shot of shouldn't be there, shouldn't be impeding law enforcement, just kind of fuck around, find out, which is so, it's just not, um, I mean, we've talked about it. It doesn't, even if he was impeding,

that's not a death sentence and shouldn't be. Oh, I know. It's an acceptable line of talking to be like, well, that's what happens. It's like, no, that's, that's what happens. That's, that's what happens if you go, try to take a drink out of a, out of a, uh, a still lake in the Serengeti, you're going to get bitten by a, you're going to get taken by a damn alligator, crocodile. With this, it's like, the worst that should happen is you get, you get pummeled maybe and arrested, not fucking shot at where it's like, well, you shouldn't have been doing that because these, these, uh, these officers are real frightful and they're real trigger happy when they get scaled. There's a, there's a, there's a,

by all accounts it seems like this man Alex Pready was a very nice man. He seems, we're talking about a nurse who worked in, who worked with veterans. And there's neighbors who want to come forward and give their story about how he had this old dog. And he would carry it outside just so the dog would be able to have some fresh air every day and how he's just such a sweet man. And that is very nice. And it's just a shame that such a kind person was gone down. But it's like, even if there were stories where this guy

who had an old dog, he would just kick, you know, nothing, you know, that's just not how it works. And it's, yeah, even if they are going after criminals and stuff like that, there are rules. We have we have rules in place that need to be followed. And yeah, I don't care. I don't care who they're going after. This is just, yeah. It's unbelievable. It was wild.

They first, they first were running cover and supporting it and trying to gaslight everybody into thinking that the ICE agents were justified in their actions. And I even saw some videos where it's like slowed down and then they circle something meant to show that, oh, yeah. he fired a shot and I watched several of them and I'm like I don't see what is being circled. What is being circled here? And then now as of yesterday, those same accounts are now saying, first they went from supporting it to now saying nobody actually cares.

Nobody's, I one guy was like, I was at the airport and I was looking over the shoulder of a few people on their phones. Nobody was Googling it. Nobody's looking it up. Everybody cares about football. leftists are losing their minds because nobody actually cares about this outside of Twitter. And it's like, what? Just what fucking I just, these people are, they're fucking evil.

Like, we have, we have direct evidence that that is not the case. And I, you know, I have a pretty bleak outlook right now. But the one thing that, you know, when I do vacillate between, the one thing that is giving me hope is the, there are so many videos of just the most normal people who have been the amount of interviews you've seen with just a regular guy they're like you know have you been to a lot of protests before and he's like no never i just i i'm so fucking pissed or just um you know that woman from i believe it's i i used to think it was adena but she said that she said adina which is i think a suburb in minnesota People can chew me out in the comments if I get that wrong.

But she seems like just a normal mom. And she's just so frustrated. And she's like, we have to, me and my husband had to go out. We got in our car and came down here because, like, this is not who we are. This is unbelievable. Our posh home in Edina. And we were watching the news and learned that there was another shooting here. And like, we were just like, I can't stand this anymore.

I can't stand what's happening here. So we came out immediately. And, you know, we were here after a lot of the folks were getting pulled out and, like, you know, tear gas and can't see out of their own eyes because they're literally blinded by the chemicals. And so I was helping people back there. And I happened to cross this woman. I don't know where she is now, but she was having a panic attack. She was in the moment of having a panic attack. And I walked up and I gave her a huge hug and I just said to her, I said, we got this.

This is when we show our resolve as a city because we're better than this. We are under attack by this administration right now and this is not okay. It's just not. I'm a 55-year-old woman who lives in Edina and I have to come in here and tell the world. Like, we have to change this. You know, I think normal people have had enough. And that is the one thing. You know, did you see that thing with Edward Norton?

No. He's getting interviewed by the L.A. Times. For what? Like, we have, you know, extrajudicial, like, assaults on Americans and humans going on on a daily basis now. And it's not okay. And even though all people kind of have to put one in front of the other and deal with the demands of the day, we cannot actually. we cannot act like this is not happening. And I think, and I think, you know, I, like, I, I, I think what they're doing in Minnesota

with the strike needs to expand. I think we should be talking about a national, national general economic strike until this is over and stopped. For some movie, he's actually, it's very funny. I think he's sitting next to Olivia Wilde and Seth Rogen, and Olivia Wilde is nodding along the whole time. And Seth Rogen honestly looked a little uncomfortable. I'm not going to, I'm not going to read into it too much, but I was like,

Why isn't, can we get a nod out of Seth Rogen on this? That's Rogan sucks ass now. Does he? I don't. Become a caricature of himself and he just, he's like Judd Apatow where they're both just like, their heydays behind them. Now they're just, I don't know, they're just not funny to me anymore. Don't tell them I said that.

Well, you know, there wasn't a lot of coverage about it, but there was an incredible, you know, I guess it would be almost a localized general strike where businesses were shutting down. The unions have been going very hard in Minnesota and it looked like there was reporting of something like 100,000 people came out last week

to protest. And Edward Norton in the middle of the interview was kind of like, you know, this all feels it must have been post Alex Pruddy. He's saying it feels

very silly right now to be talking about a movie. Well, there's this extrajudicial armed force in the country that's just assassinating Americans. Yeah, assassinating Americans. And he calls, he's like, I think we need to expand what's happening in Minneapolis and we need a national general strike. And I was like, God damn, Edward Norton is, so that's where I'm like, these guys are dead wrong. I mean, people are fucking furious. I think they don't know where to channel it necessarily. And a lot of,

they are definitely an outlier. And it's, it's, it's been nice looking at their reach, which is, I think, significantly diminished in seeing the, the amount of replies to them and stuff

are mainly people hating on them and telling them they're fucking morons. And reminding myself that they're probably a lot of bots and stuff. and yeah that piece of shit Jack Posobic just today retweeted quote retweeted some some fucking shitheads account that was making fun of Preddy and the tweet has like 4.2 million views and all Posobic said was 4.2 million views as if to say 4.2 million people agree with this dog shit take he's just the most I want to.

want that guy's head to explode. Like, he's an agitator and a troll and has played a significant role in Trump ascending to power twice. And most people don't even know who he is. Like, you know who he is, right? Yeah. Yeah, he's the guy who famously held up a, his big claim to fame years ago was during like 2015 or 2016.

He infiltrated a liberal, a rally at, you know, for Hillary or something and held a sign that said rape Melania. And then used that photo and they spread it all over. And it was all over Breitbart and Fox News. And it's that kind of shit. That was just one instance. They do it all the fucking time.

And they're just, they're evil, dirty, dirty little rat fucker people who are subhuman to me. And you can see it in his eyes. He's got dead psychopath eyes. He has no soul. Hey guys.

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weird era where I'm like, I don't even know what you guys are doing anymore. So have you seen the, I believe it was either the White House or it was like one of those DHS accounts. They post the penguin from the documentary with Warner Herzog. You know what I'm talking about? And he turns and the penguin turns away. What are they trying to say? So maybe we can put it, maybe we'll edit it in and post so people can, if they haven't seen this. I haven't, I didn't stop to watch it because I was just like, oh, it's another fucking piece of. Oh. I have. I don't understand what they're trying to say. Yeah, the penguin, the penguin knows to go home.

Yeah, the penguin leaves his pack and is choosing to go his own way. I don't know. I am so confused what the White House is trying to signal with this fucking thing. I'm like. And what I read on someone, someone replied to it and was like, what actually ends up happening in this documentary is that the penguin went crazy and goes to kill himself. Yes. Yeah. That's what.

that's what it is. Yeah. I think the rest are all going to like, whatever, some breeding ground or something they all go to. And the penguin goes crazy and just like turns around him. Yeah, I mean, maybe it's. It goes to join Penguin Ice to deport all the walruses. Maybe it's a good metaphor for what's going on in this kind.

Maybe they're just admitting it. We are, we've been taken over by unfuckable, unemployable, losers who have have captured all the power and we're now just going to pay while they're on their suicide death drive. And you can you can see it in their body language and the way that they dress and their love handles and stuff and their shoes and shit. It's just like, oh, these are guys cosplay. These aren't these aren't real.

These aren't they're fucking pathetic weeners, man. You see them and they're just like. I don't know. Do you know what I mean? I do, but I think the, and the most frustrating thing for me is that, like, like, I do think the numbers are on our side when it comes to, like, people who are normal and who are like, this is psychotic. This is not what we're about. And I think that's a broad spectrum I'm describing. I think that's people, you know, that's people who are like, I'm open borders, just let people stay all the way to like, I do think we like need immigrants. crack down, but I don't like the way that it looks. I think that this looks.

I think that entire spectrum is a massive amount of people who are like, this is sick oh shit. I don't know what the hell you guys are doing. Enough is enough, yeah. And I think that far out numbers those people. The unfortunate thing is those people are in power. And like that might be, I don't know, 20 to 25% of the country that feels like that, which is still a lot of people. The unfortunate thing also is that those people are the ones who really do.

show up and vote. And also, people have a very short memory. And unfortunately, by the time the midterms happened later this year, I feel like most, it's going to be absolutely a distant memory that when Democrats try to bring it up, it's going to get memory hold the way January 6th did, where they're going to be like, that didn't happen the way you say it did. And if it did, you're overreacting and Trump actually fixed it if you remember he went in and said this is bad and they're going to

reframe it in such a way that people who voted for Trump are still going to vote they're still going to vote Republican. I hope that I don't know. I don't I hope that people are I have to think that people

are like I'm fucking done. I'm sick of this shit. Enough is enough. Losing our alienating ourselves on the world stage, all this shit, it's a nonstop flurry of bullshit. And I hope people are sick of it, the ones who voted Republican. I think that, yeah, I don't know. I do agree that people have short memories, but I just don't, I think this is all going to, I think this is going to continue to escalate, unfortunately, until November.

I think my big fear is, in which I don't quite understand, I've been trying to look into what it exactly means. But if people haven't seen, there was that, is it Chris Murphy? Is that the senator from Connecticut? I think it was. Chris Murphy was talking about that letter, which I'm sure a lot of people have seen where Pam Bondi sent Tim Walls a letter saying, hey, we'll leave Minnesota, just hand over all your voter rolls and everything. And maybe you know, And he, Chris Murphy's fear is that this is their plan for, um, many of these swing states, which Minnesota is, goes pretty blue. I think you have to year.

Um, but, you know, he's like, it's going to be, it'll be Arizona in Phoenix. They'll try to do it. My thing is, I'm just not exactly sure how the, um, how the voter roles play into them trying to do some kind of election problems. Uh, but that is my, that's been my fear. from the jump in the Trump 2.0 era is a is is is messing with elections. I think if we have fair elections in 2026, I have a hard time. Actually, that's not even with the way Democrats have fucked this up so bad, you know, the and that's the problem. No one has, there's nowhere

to channel this energy because we don't have a proper opposition party to this. Prior to this happening, there was the latest vote in the House on the spending bill, the latest spending bill. Seven Democrats broke with Democrats to vote with Republicans to pass through this bill, which had something like an additional $10 million to ICE. Billion. And they all thought it would be fine because, you know, no one's paying attention, even though they just executed a woman. Now they're all having buyers.

remorse because they look like fucking ghouls. Yeah. After Alex Pready was executed. And the senators who were going to push through the spending bill are all going, no, we vow to not, we're not going to vote for this if there's

any money for ICE. And you have these seven people. Tom Suazzi from New York is one who he like had to send out an email to all his he got so much pushback. Guys, I'm sorry about that. I thought it with something else entirely. I didn't know yet.

Look, I said, I can live with one woman being executed. But when they did that second guy, that's when I said, hey, you know what? That one's on me. Hey, what are you doing? I started out. And you just, you see these videos of lawmakers being like, look, I'm as concerned as you. They're doing like a little front facing video. That's why I'm working with my team to make sure.

Ice always has their body cams on. And ice is done. And it's like, dude, we're way past that. They don't fucking care. I got into it with a guy on Twitter. We ended up taking the conversation to DMs. And it was. No way.

Yeah. You're a madman. Wasn't someone you knew? No. And it was so, it was crazy making. His thing was a hard line. We are a nation of laws. And the law dictates that these people have to go.

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Can you tell me where else this is happening? And I said, well, I mean, yeah, Chicago, L.A. They were in New York. And I admitted, I was like, I mean, I don't think that it's as bad. Minnesota is definitely like the ground zero for all this. And he's like, that's exactly my point. You guys won't, you Democrats won't, you know, follow the law and all this shit. And I said, look, my argument is that the rhetoric and, um, what was the other word? Just the rhetoric and everything everything that is sour and malicious that is that is just that everything of this this time is being stewed in

comes from the top down. You've got the president of the United States and like senior members of his staff tweeting shit. Stephen Miller calling this guy an assassin a domestic terrorist who was there to assassinate a potential assassin. You had Bovino saying he was there to massacre law enforcement. And I was trying to drive home the point to this guy that that's the killing itself is on

its face, a killing that did not need to happen if they were better trained and you name it. But the bigger issue here is that the fucking... honestly on that point I want to keep coming back because people keep stressing this training thing I do think it like it is systemic it's like this and everyone it's also not just like a Trump 2.0 thing

there were Christ what was it when when did AOC go down to the border and everyone got pissed there because the right wing got pissed there because she was crying about what she had seen but there was reporting during that time that they had

gotten ice group chats and they were they leaked the most horrific things like talking about like um raping aOC just like the most horrific things this this is like from its inception a rogue agency it is systemic it is out of control i mean look at who was leading this entire thing just like uh you know s. Bovino in his little trench go. I mean, these people yeah, sorry, I didn't want to cut you off, but it's just like it's so ingrained in this thing.

And it is not just, it's not just Minneapolis. I mean, it's impossible to keep up with all these things that are happening. But like, dude, alligator alcatraz, which we've all just like stopped talking about. I saw from a reporter at Zateo, he was talking about how apparently there's reporting that two-thirds of those people at Alligator Alcatraz

have just disappeared from the ice tracking service and so their family just has no idea where they are at that point. We have no idea what's going down there. There's so many stories that we also just haven't even heard of. There was another one that got floated after all of this happened where the guy

I believe the son was a the son was an American citizen, and his father was maybe not, but his father was his caretaker. He was, he suffered from a rare disease. And I think they said, if they, I think he had said, if they come take my father, I'll die. He's the only one keeping me alive. Ice grabs him. The guy's dead now.

I mean, I'm sure you heard about the one where they ate at a Mexican restaurant and came back later that night and fucking took everybody. Yeah. Yeah. They're, there, there, it's cruelty is the point. And it's really disgusting. And yeah, I was, I was just trying to get this guy to understand. And he just didn't seem to care about rhetoric.

He didn't seem to care that the, the, these official White House accounts are tweeting, like, actual. I mean, I know it's like it can be a bit of a crying wolf situation with certain liberal talking points and stuff. this is actual like provable white nationalist Nazi propaganda that they're tweeting out. And Stephen Miller. And then coming out and calling him a domestic terrorist. And all this shit is is so fucking harmful. Within hours of the guy being dead, there's no call for an investigation. There's no calling for anything.

They're fully using it. which speaks to their intent in sending these guys to these places. If their intent was truly, we're just here to, you know, take out the criminals, then they would be doing everything they can to throw water on the fire. But instead, they're using it to elevate and amplify and get temperatures rising. You have to be willfully ignorant to think that they're not doing that. I literally still headed up because I was just I was reading it right before we jumped on there's this New York Times article administration social media posts echo white supremacist

messaging a flurry of posts from the White House Department of Labor and Department of Homeland Security have included images slogans and even a song used by the white nationalists right and there are just so many um they ended up deleting that Instagram post by the I know the one that says we'll have our home again yeah um Ben's referring to the fact that I think a journalist, so they posted this thing that said, we'll have our home again, which is from some, it's the name of a song written by the pro-white fraternal order that's embraced by Proud Boys, White Nationalist groups. And a journalist pointed out and said, hey, you guys posted something that's like fully white supremacist.

And she was like, no, no, we didn't. And she was like, well, yeah, you did. It's actually the title of a song. And she was like, no. That's a lot of people say that. And then they were like, well, actually, you guys used the song, too. It's playing in the thing. And she said, no, we didn't. And then they just deleted it. But yeah, it's all kinds of neo-Nazi ethnic cleansing.

It's just insane. Not only that, I think the thing that, I mean, there are so many different aspects to this that just make my blood boil. and one of them is that fucking asshole Caroline Leavitt or Leavitt who's the press secretary, right? Lovett or Leavitt? Yeah. She's just...

John Lovett should team up with her and do a pod. She stinks. No, not John Lovitz. No, no. John Lovett is the pod save guy. Oh, yeah, yeah. Whoops.

Who has... I think he has a show called Love It or Leave It. Oh, yeah. He did one with Leavitt, Love it or Levin. Well, I mean, just she will do whatever she needs to defend and back up Trump. I mean, I'm sure you saw when he was addressing Davos and he referred to Greenland as Iceland like five months. And she was like, you guys are stupid.

He clearly called it the land of ice or something like that. And it's just, it's, it's fucking crazy. making. Like I said, like I said earlier, there's no, these people will go to, it doesn't matter, they have no issue. They have no qualms about completely debasing themselves. Yeah. I suppose a good, another silver lining is that Trump and Levitt are distancing themselves

from Christy Noem and like Stephen Miller and they're realizing, hey, this isn't actually as popular as we thought it was, and this is actually pretty bad. It's a bad look. So they're kind of backing off. But still, it's like, oh, great. So they were going 120 miles an hour. Now they're only going 105.

Sure. I mean, this is... Barreling down the highway. Yeah, this is a lot to unwind. Just right before we hopped on, a Border Patrol agent has shot someone in Arizona, and they're in critical... Yeah, they, they shouldn't have been doing that whatever they were doing.

I'm sure that the officer acted exactly professionally and as they should have. Yeah, my hope is that, my hope is that Democrats can actually find some kind of stones to be a true opposition party here. I think, you know, I've been, I've been seeing friends. I think I've been at dinner with people like the last three nights and it is crazy just very normal people are like I want motherfuckers in jail

I want like you know public trials you know and I think I think that's right and I think someone needs to match this I think we need to you know well a lot could change if we

if the Democrats win a majority in the midterms, can't they do an impeachment? Yeah, and that's, there's very funny reporting from, it was an Axios meeting where Ted Cruz was like, I think it was last year he was in a meeting with Trump trying to get Trump to cool off on basically, you know, it seems like everyone was surprised by the Trump 2.0. They came out hot,

and I think he was trying to at least get him to cool the temperature on the tariffs and some of the crazier stuff. and he was going, he's going like, look, if you sink everyone's 401Ks and everything starts getting more expensive, by the time November 26 rolls around, you're going to be looking at a very different congressional makeup, and you're going to be facing impeachments every other week. And according to Ted Cruz, when he told Trump that Trump said, fuck you, Ted.

Oh, Ted Cruz is a perfect example of the entire GOP apparatus. Just he's been personally insulted. His wife was insulted. His father was insulted by Trump. Trump clearly does not give a shit about him or respect him, but that has not deterred Ted Cruz from just gulping down whatever bodily fluids Trump excretes any given day. If he leaves a little on the floor, he's getting on his knees and lapping it up. lapping it up.

Fuck that guy. There are, there have been, like we were saying, there have been a lot of, there have been some centrists and people in the Republican Party who have been speaking up about it. Yes, important to note that, yeah, there has been some people. Which is nice. There's the guy who was Chris Medell. He dropped out of the governor's race in Minnesota because he called this ice thing an unmitigated disaster and he said he no longer wants to be part of the GOP.

Congressman from Kentucky, a senator from Louisiana are calling for investigations. I mean, but as is everything with Trump, this will be old news in a week, two weeks. They know, okay, this is wildly unpopular. We got to reel it in big time and then divert to the next big thing, be it revisiting Iran, Venezuela, Greenland. Right. You name it. They're, they're, you got to hand it to them. They're fucking masters at it.

They're masters, but they're idiots. Because I don't think that there is that much thought going into it. It's just they're fucking got there. But they're not like masters. They're masters in the sense that they're like, they're like gamblers who aren't afraid to take a big risk and really push people out with a bluff. And I think that works,

but they have no short term plan. They have no long-term plan. And they're racking up these, like, weird, short-term power grabs. But it's all going to collapse at some point. It's just a matter of how much damage they do. And, yeah, I don't know. November is a long time away. I also, I do want to say on that Ted Cruz note,

sometimes the Republicans, they describe Democrats as the way I would like Democrats to behave. they'll describe them as like, oh, well, if the Democrats take power, they're going to, they're going to seize control and give everyone, everyone health care. And you're like, wow, that sounds great. And then they seize control and don't do anything like that. So, yeah, we will see if they, if they get some massive blue wave in November, we'll see, we'll see, what kind of spine they have. We'll see what kind of.

also see what kind of bullshit that the administration is going to throw come that time. What other shit and nonsense is going to come up in rear its head that they're going to toss in the ring for this.

Meanwhile, on some Putin shit, there was this private... On some Putin shit. There was this private jet that crashed, which is tragic on its face, and eight people were killed in it. And allegedly, the jet belongs to prominent anti-ice slash anti-Trump lawyers.

Is that just from a tweet, though? It is from this, let's see. Because I saw someone tweet that and then I tried to look it up and I couldn't find it. And also, the only thing I'll say about that. The post? Yeah, I don't know. Oh, it's the America First Post. Oh, God.

I don't know about that. I don't think that's true. And even if it was true, they were flying in some pretty severe weather. I don't know what they were doing. They were basically flying at a time when every flight was grounded. I think we hadn't had so many flights. Oh, God. Yeah, that's so irresponsible.

I don't think we had, the last time we had that many flights canceled, it was COVID. You know, it reminds me of the saying there are no, there are bold pilots and there are old pilots. there are no old bold pilots I wish JFK Jr. could have heard that. Yeah, he got disoriented. He had no business flying that. Yeah, I'm looking at this ABC News thing. I totally got taken by that.

I just saw it at first and I was like, oh, that's scary. And then I saved it and I never revisited it. I would say pretty much with the way Twitter works now these days. And I'm no stranger to getting duped. We all get duped. All the time. You pretty much always have to, you got to Google it.

It's a... Well, I guess that brings us to, we could talk about TikTok for a little bit because the new, the new American... It's finally a US entity. Yeah. And one of the things we just discussed today, was it Krasenstein? Yes, which I'm not super familiar with him. I do think he's like, I think he's like got a, he's got a little Mario Luigi thing going on with his brother, they're like the liberal Mario brothers or something, and they just like

post... I get him confused with Ken Clippenstein. No, no, no. Ken Clippenstein, or I think it might be Stein, is, uh, he's a great journalist, a great independent journalist who is like constantly breaking stuff. People always leak to him. He, he broke great stuff about ice. Um, he was getting a lot of ice leaks.

Um, he's always... Got it. I get him confused with Brian. Rastonstein, Steen, who I think it's just like guy who does front-facing lib-vis. I think he's a, I think he's a lib-coded Facebook kind of. Yeah. He seems to be doing well for himself, though. He's a sensationalist. And he does what I would say a lot of right-wingers do, which is make big, big, big deals out of something and allege a big, big thing and blast it out there. I guess you could call it for a greater good in this case,

but he was saying that the new ownership of TikTok has banned the word Epstein from being used. And he had, to his credit, he had a screenshot. He had a video recording of it. Yeah, a video. And then I tried it immediately. No problem in my. But I have seen more people post similar things. I don't ever go on TikTok, so I don't know.

also this at the same time he was also pointing posting similar things which i saw other people post like more left-leaning people post screenshots of their tictox all the sudden doing zero views sometimes like zero to a thousand views and these are people like brian krastinstein who will get um sometimes 20,000 if not a million views on things and um then all the sudden people were posting um their videos about Alex Pretti and they were getting no traction. And people are pointing that, pointing to the fact that it is now this US entity owned by Larry Ellison. And they're doing a little bit of backdoor algorithmic.

Right. But what's weird is like when I was on Twitter today or TikTok today, I had no, granted, I wasn't following any of these accounts, but. My feed, my 4U page, which features stuff that you don't follow, it's just the algorithm feeding you stuff. It was, I saw stuff that was talking about ICE and talking about a general strike and talking about Alex Pretty. I wonder if there's things about the algorithm that we just don't, aren't privy to. Maybe there's regional things that they're experimenting with. maybe there's still some fucking glitches to be worked out as the keys are getting handed over.

I wonder also if they're doing some kind of throttling. Well, they did say, they did come out and say that there was some kind of outage, but I don't quite understand how that would mean that these specific videos were getting zero views. I know another big one was the guy, Billy Elish's brother, Phineas, I think his name is. I was going to call him T-Bis or something. Tebis? Yeah, T-Bis. I wish. Tebus Ilish, his video absolutely tanked, which he usually gets, Tebus usually goes big numbers on.

Well, I was going to say also, I wonder if they've done like, you know how YouTube and Facebook for that matter have sometimes changed how they count a view? Yeah. I wonder if they've been tweaking stuff like that and it's just not updating in the thing, whereas there are still, like I would be curious to look at. these accounts later and see if all of a sudden they've got a ton of views on these same videos. Yeah. There's also reporting that meta is making sure that people cannot. I think people were trying to put together a list of ICE agents, information about ICE agents, and they were sharing it on Instagram and Facebook, and meta is blocking the sharing of that

document as well. Wow. Yeah. Well, well, I guess you... We've come a long way from people being like, social media is going to be the... It's going to be our revolutionary tool. You just log in and you can...

You can tell people to fuck off and we're going to topple the government. It's the worst thing for all of humanity. I think it's the... Yeah, it's single-handedly like the most... disruptive and destructive thing in the last 30 years. There is actually a, I believe there was maybe talks of a settlement, but I think the first of many cases of teens suing Instagram and TikTok and other social media apps for mental health.

Yeah, and like addiction and addiction. and I think it's the first of its kind. I'm very curious what will happen, but I do think there was talk of a settlement being reached before. An actual decision will come, but it seems like more and more are going to come. Yeah. I'm going to come. No.

I thought of a good rap lyric last night. Hit me. On that Putin shit. She called me Costco the way I come in bulk. Oh, nice. You're like bragging about your big. loads. Yeah, yeah. I just thought it was funny. She called me Costco the way I come in bulk. Yeah. It's pretty good.

There's no song around the lyric. Yeah, well, is it a, is the song largely about how, just to say, I just, there's no song. I just, there's just that single line I thought was clever. Oh, you, okay, so you don't want to, you don't want to, you just try to sell it to big mic or something for like, uh, 100 bucks. Got this line. I don't know if you normally do this, but. Or you know, you need to find someone who maybe has big loads. Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely.

How am I going to do that? You mean a rapper who also has big loads? Yeah, I would say post, post the story to Instagram and say, looking for a rapper with big loads. Please. We definitely don't want a rapper to be lying about their loads. No, which would piss me off. Yeah.

Yeah, I'd be really pissed. All rappers must tell it. If I were president, all rappers have to tell the truth in their rhymes. Day one. Day one. No exaggerating. You got to be accurate about how many diamonds and cars and money you have and women and stuff and friends. Are you going to haul in Big Mike to be like, okay, now let's see one of those loads.

I want to make sure they're coming in bulk. Yeah, jerk off for me, Big Mike. I love Big Mike. All right. Anyway, that's a good place to stop. Folks, thanks for joining us. We're going to have a banger of a bonus episode. We're going to be talking about Kanye West.

Finally going to talk about the Bill 2.0 card. I'll explain that. Dude, I'm pissed about the book. I am too. But we'll tell you. What is Ryan Wedding? Oh, I put that in there. It's that guy who said.

I was like, whose wedding is, who's Ryan? What wedding are we talking about? And then, of course, one of my favorite new conspiracy theories circulating on Facebook is the Leviathan. So we'll be talking about... Oh, God. Yeah. Oh, yeah. All right. Well, depending on where you are, stay safe and stay warm. It's... Yeah, please. I'm freezing my little tuts off. Not me here in sunny Southern California. Is it super hot there? it's hot during the day and cold as hell at night well it says it feels like

four degrees right now so oh that's awesome see I like that man get out there no it's very fun um uh we'll talk about it in the bonus we'll talk about yeah we'll talk about it all right folks we will see you next week and also in the bonus coming up on this week's episode of ben and amel show.com are you excited about the new harry styles album

I didn't know that was happening. Yeah, he's got a new Harry Styles album coming out. Well, I guess he just has a new album coming out. No, he has a new Harry Styles album. It's coming out. Who? Harry Styles. Harry Styles has a new Harry Styles album coming out?

Yeah, he does. He has. But wouldn't it just be Harry Styles has a new album coming out? I don't know what you're talking about. He has a new Harry Styles album coming out. Yeah. Ryan Wedding. Guess he's not going to be having much of a honeymoon. That's good. Guess he's not going to, guess, guess he's getting divorced from drugs.

Have you been watching the Quad God? No, what's the Quad God? Is it on Mooby? I wish. There's this kid who's like... Quadriplegic? No, he's, uh... Gay. He might be. He's a figure skater who's like lighting the whole sport on fire. No one does it. No one does it like the quad god.

Quad god, I mean Malinin. Yes. I think both of his parents. He's a 21-year-old figure skater. He's the first skater to land a quadruple axle in competition and can land all six types of quadruple jumps. He's the quad-godgoy. Wow. I hope no tragedy befalls him before the Winter Olympics. There's literally nothing. I mean like an injury, not like death.