The Ben and Emil Show - BAES 148: Details of Altman Attack are WILD

Episode Date: April 16, 2026

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Increased violence in the world of AI. Artificial intelligence. He said he wanted to, quote, burn it down and kill anyone inside. That one's hard. That one's hard to. Yeah, it was hard to just prove. Folks, don't do this. I'm quitting Anthropic because of what I've seen

and I'm retiring to the Irish countryside to write poetry. A hug your family now. And there's one more thing. And he unveils a giant 6-0. It might kill you. It might when they kill everybody. about that. We're back, everybody. Stay tuned for the coming of the week. We're bringing that back. We're just going to dive right in. We've got a lot to cover here. A lot to cover. We're going to be going over the increased violence in the world of AI.

These people, man. The details that came out about the Molotov cocktail attack on Sam Altman's house are wild stuff. And subsequent shooting. Yeah, and some subsequent gun attack on He House. And we're going to be talking all about some updates in the AI world. We've got Elon Musk, and you know, it's so funny that this isn't even getting coverage. Elon Musk is going to court against Open AI with a jury. A dang jury trial. The rural juror.

The rural juror. Oh, is that supposed to be a tongue twister? It's the 30 Rock thing. It's in my head because we're going to talk about it. the bonus. And, you know, if we got time, we're going to be talking about the man, oh man, this Ashley St. Clair, Elon Musk's baby mama. Is it still your baby mama if you sent the sperm through the mail? Yeah, because she still give birth to the baby. For sure.

But before we get into all of that, let's give you a little bit of an update on that thing going on over there. The dang war in Iran. They sent our nation's best. J.D. Vance and two corrupt real estate tycoons. Yeah. And including the president's moron son-in-law. It's... And it didn't go well.

It didn't go well. It's also one of those things where obviously we started the show with an intention to have fun and funny takes on these things. And you remember the show, Veep? Who could forget? I don't know if it was...

I don't know if it was the creator, Armando Ionucci or a producer, because I think Armando might have even left before the end of it. But I remember they ended it around the time Donald Trump got elected. And somewhat, either of the creator or one of the producers,

was basically like, there's nothing left for us here anymore. You know what I mean? Like, you've mentioned that. Yeah, we've done... It's not even parody anymore. Yeah, the real life is funnier than we could ever imagine.

And we're experiencing a bit of that with Trump's latest moves where he is now... So failed negotiations with Iran. Trump's big brain move is since they can't open the straight of her moves which they've been begging for and say needs to happen his move is now well we're blocking the straight

we're doing a naval blockade with the finest navy in the world if you won't open it we'll block it stick that in your pipe and suck on it suck on your pipe it is unfortunate that he is just doing things that are funnier than we could have ever imagined. I mean, a lot of people online are going, this is,

our foreign policy is like a, it's like a Mel Brooks movie or like a, like a Monty Python sketch or something. It's, you won't open the straight, so we'll keep it closed on our end. It's, do something with that.

It's unbelievable. Also, it seems like it's not effectively closed with the, the big worry here was that, okay, what happens if China, for example, tries to make good on a deal they've made with Iran where their ships will still be able to get through. Is the U.S. Navy actually going to turn a Chinese tanker around?

Turn around Chinese tanker. We don't want you passing through here. And so far it doesn't seem like that's the case. It seems like Chinese ships have gotten through. Yeah. And the American Navy has just gone enjoy the oil. Cut to the American guys are eating like Chalmain and the Chinese ships are like waving, you know,

because they've bribed them with chamein noodles. I'd take that bribe. Oh, you think it's a bribe? Yeah, I don't know. I'd take that bribe. They do it old school style with like ropes between the ships. Here's some, you know, General Sous chicken. I mean, whatever it takes.

I don't know exactly. I have no idea how the logistics of any of how it works with the stranded, the ships that are just stuck in the street. Or with bribes? I bet they would probably take some low main at this point. I'd be... I mean, I remember when the ILWU,

the dock workers union here in the Port of Los Angeles went on strike, there were a couple big ones, but I remember in the early 2000s or like the late 90s, it was probably the early 2000s, the bigger one. There were dozens of ships just docked out of. on the horizon. It was really, really wild. And they were, they were coming up across similar issues. It's like, okay, they're running out of supplies. So they had smaller boats come and either deliver supplies or just relieve the crews and either swap them out or I don't know. So I don't know

if they're doing that over there. But one thing is for certain, and I've talked about it on here, and I said it, man, and I effing called it. The market doesn't care any more. Not only did that. They seem to love it. It's at the all-time highs. And I'm fucking pissed at myself. And we'll cover it on stock to it because I got, I'm pissed. Sunday night, the futures markets opens.

And it opens way down, almost over 1%. And then it starts to climb. And it's only down three quarters of a percent. And I was just like, I know it's going to turn green by Monday morning. And sure enough, it did. And not only did it turn green. it went up even beyond that. And I didn't make a trade, even though my gut told me this is exactly what's going to happen.

And I just, I missed out on so much potential profit. And it just, this is what sucks about trading is you can make a little money, but then you have to look at, oh, if I had just done exactly what I thought would happen. It's so fucking frustrating, folks. And yeah, so, well, sorry, real fast. It speaks to what I've referred to. I've said it countless times on this show. If you are worried and you think that the world is about to end, just look at what the market is doing.

Sometimes that's wrong because sometimes it's just a delay. Well, no, truly. Sometimes it's a delayed reaction. But more often than not, the market knows or the market is the true gauge of sentiment. And the fact that the market just doesn't. Weird, that seems so counter. to your whole thing though. Like especially your COVID thing

where it's like the market just could not figure this out. And you saw it coming. And this feels so similar to me where it's like... There was a difference. The difference was it was not at all

a mainstream topic of discussion yet. It was just like some people were talking about it. Others were just being like, yeah, it's not a big deal. It's nothing. This, everybody has already gone through multiple cycles of analyzing and over-analizing, the straight being closed,

and the energy shock and all that stuff. And I think, ultimately, it just goes to show that what we are being told and what information is coming out of there is not 100% accurate. Being told about what? Like the... Because from what I can understand, like...

The closure itself. Analysts I've seen are like... I mean, they say we're still living in a pre-closure world where we're filming this on April 14th, April 15th is the day, according to that J.P. Morgan thing, where America, the west coast of North America

will get its last shipments of oil. That has already, you're seeing those effects in Asian markets, African markets, Europe just got their last shipment, April 10th. I see the EU commissioner come out like every other day to be like, please stay home we don't have much

like I don't like please stay home that you know great I'm glad the I'm glad the markets back up like I mean I had a weird personal situation where like

someone someone owed me some money and I called them this was probably like a week or so after February 28th are we talking three figures or four figures over $1,000 or under $1,000?

And, uh, good man. I was like, or they brought it up. And they were like, yeah, just tell me, tell me the information and I'll get it to. I just have to like move from Schwab or whatever. I was like, wait, is this an investment account? And they were like, yeah. And I was like, well, fuck, it's a terrible. I don't, I don't want you to send it now.

And they were like, yeah, I was going to bring that up. Like my shit tanked. I was like, I'm never getting this money. Like, I can't take it. while you're getting pounded. And... Now you'd be fine. Over the weekend, I was like...

Hey man, hit that sell button. I don't know if you saw the S&P, but it's a dollar off all the time high. And then yesterday, I was like, I think it's probably a good to end. And then literally today, I went for it. But I don't...

I mean, who knows? I don't think we're out of the woods. Maybe we are with the market, but in my mind, the market, the market is completely irrational. And it may never crash again. the more I look at it, I'm like, maybe this is just something that's divorced from reality that the ownership class gets to invest in.

And there will be a massive revolt among that class if all of their assets go down. So it has to stay afloat. And if you can't get to work because gasoline is $9 a gallon, well, you can just go kick rock. Sorry. I think it would behoove us all to remember, especially with that, and we've talked about it on here. It's not the entire world's supply that goes through that straight. It's a good chunk of it, yes. 20%.

But you're already seeing... Which is massive. Which is massive. But you're already seeing, like, I don't know if any of you guys have seen it, but there's a screen grab of the World Ship Tracker thing showing this massive line that spans the globe. of tankers rerouting to the Gulf of Mexico. I'm not saying Gulf of America, because it ain't the fucking Gulf of America. Yeah, that is the hope that they can ramp up production elsewhere.

But it does feel like there's going to be a little bit of a bubble that we'll have to account for either way. Yes. And so I think that just feels a little odd that you would be, that the market would be rallying at that. But we'll see, maybe. It's again, it's, and I guess I should kind of retract and say that it's not, It doesn't mean that we're out of the woods and that there's no cause for concern.

I think that just it's perhaps, I don't know, hopefully not going to be as prolonged and as disastrous as some might think. Well, the fun thing is, we'll get to find out in about seven to ten days, I'd say. Yeah, I think I forgot which strategies. I do want to be clear. There's a lot of turmoil in these Asian countries. I think people are like, oh, that's very far away and whatever we're immune to that. Some pretty horrible stories of shortages. And so.

Well, in other news, Trump tweeted a photo of himself as Jesus Christ. Literally Jesus Christ. He thought he was a doctor. I don't know if you guys saw this, but it's fucking bananas. And I think it must have been made in part with AI. I mean, because the fighter jets, when you zoom in, look really weird and psychotic. But then his response was pure gold. If you go back to the dock and click his response,

he was asked about it during this DoorDash stunt. And let's hear what old Donnie T. had to say about it. Mr. President, did you post that picture of yourself depicted as Jesus Christ? Well, it wasn't a picture. It was me. I did post it, and I thought it was me as a doctor and had to do with Red Cross as a Red Cross worker there which we support

and only the fake news could come up with that one so I had I just heard about it and I said how do they come up with that it's supposed to be me as a doctor making people better and I do make people better I make people a lot better as an example

that's the sound of piss Donald Trump's piss I am surprised he covering every Maga devoted just right just going just piss more piss sir

I am surprised I mean that's a red cross worker come on I'm surprised they didn't blame someone that's like usually he blamed the media

he said only the only the fake news could come up with that I did post it I'm surprised to even cop to that first he said it's not a picture

I did post it that is a picture he did post it and then he said that guy could be a doctor sure hey guys we gotta take a quick break

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It wasn't the fake news media. It was literally everybody being like, hey, this is psychotic. Oh, the reason he took it down was because I think his own followers were, we were a bit pissed about the depiction of him as Jesus. Yeah, and then the spooky, like, weird angel fucking, I mean, it's all, it's just, it's, yeah. There's going to be so many. historians are going to have a field day between

just all these nobody's going to believe him strange fake images and then the very real did you see the images with him of and the videos of him with the Easter bunny

yes I mean what he's threatening Iran 50 years from now you're learning about this in school and you're just watching a video Trump his crazy wife the Easter bunny

in the whole suit and him just talking about Iran. The videos of him talking to the kids about Joe Biden's auto pen. And they're like, huh? I just, fans of history, rejoice. It's a fun. It was very fun and entertaining to see Jack Posobic and like Mike Cernovich just still, still. These guys who are like supposedly devout Catholics and are. are major, major Catholic guys just running defense for him.

Because also he was trashing the Pope. So not only did Donald Trump trash the Pope, the leader, the ultimate Catholic, the like quarterback of the Catholics, would you say? But is Trump Catholic? I don't know if he's Catholic. I don't know, but these guys certainly are. And they're like, oh, so now the Pope is suddenly immune from criticism? It's like, dude, what?

I mean, but I truly don't know what it would take for these guys at this point. It's just so pathetic. I don't know the, I don't know the denomination of Christian of all these guys. Well, and then let's pull up some of it because the Pope was saying, oh, no, he's Presbyterian. Are you sure of Sernovich and? Yes, yes. Catholic? They're like Roman Catholic.

Cool. Yeah. Catholics are the Jews of Christians, right? Why do you say that? They're like the ostracized. There are definitely a smaller. No. Like Christians are this many.

Catholics are this many? I don't think that's true. Catholicism was like... It's huge. The Christianity. Yeah. It was like all of the power was concentrated within the Pope and

and the whole infrastructure that went along with that. And then, you know, the Protestant Reformation splits. It'd be awesome to be the Pope. So I wouldn't say they're the Jews. I don't know. I also don't know in what way you're saying that.

I mean, just like they're the scapego, 20% of U.S. adults identify as Catholic with a significant growing and increasingly diverse population. Good for them. Let's play that second video because the DoorDash grandma was the other thing that's all coincided with this. They had this, they trotted out this former smoker. She's known as the DoorDash grandma. She's got a shirt that says it. And boy howdy, if this ain't just the ultimate representation of this entire White House is having

someone who should be retired and enjoying her grandkids, but she's got to work a menial gig worker job just to make ends meet. She's also the one they trot out for all this kind of thing. Yeah. And the guys getting... Hopefully they're giving her a little bit of money. But here

she comes delivering McDonald's to President Fat. She's knocking on the old office. Hey, Donald. Hey Donald. Wow, nice to see you. I got a little DoorDash. He looks drunk. They're all your favorites. That's good. Lord's just doing a good job.

The reason for this is the fact that I heard you picked up an extra $11,000 if you didn't think it. Because the tax bill was so big, the refund was the biggest you've ever had. Is that a current sign? It definitely was. Apparently that's all bullshit, too, with the amount she makes, she wouldn't even... She wouldn't even... Let's skip to the second video where, because it's just too good, and we'll get to the AI stuff right after this. They want to have men playing in women's sport.

Do you think that men should play in women's sports? I really don't have an opinion on that. You don't, I'll bet you do. No, I'm here about... His little... His little... His little... ...meas on tips.

They want to have... I do hope Democrats watching this realize, can at least realize this is a loser for them. Like, no one gives a shit about this and you're falling into the trap. Like, he's doing this, he's doing this presser for it.

And he's trying to go to her. And she's just like, I honestly don't even fucking think about that shit. And he's like, I bet you do. That's what we all think about. It's one of our most popular things. And I love that you can't really hear it, but he says, you don't.

I bet you do. And she says, no, I'm here about it. And he says, pizza. And then she goes, no. tax on tips. Let's see if we can hear it. I bet you do. Oh, shit.

Opinion on that. You don't, I'll bet you do. No, I'm here about no tax on tips. Pizza. What a strange fucking time. Just fuck you, Donald Trump.

You, you, I just, man, I hope you die, sir. Oh, God. God, can't wait until he fucking dies. Oh, anyway, speaking of death, increased violence in the world of AI, artificial intelligence. Sam Altman's house got attacked twice. The first one was last week. The second one was early Sunday morning when these two absolute dingbat moron fuckos, Amanda Tom, was 25, and Muhammad Hussein, 23, pulled up to his house and shot up to his house and shot

a gun at it. They haven't been like totally clear about they were probably high. Yeah, it's weird. They haven't. Apparently he's got a prior record for shooting a gun. No. Purchasing

tobacco products for a for like an undercover minor. So that guy's kind of cool actually. Oh, you're 17. You want me to buy you cigarettes? I got you. Who among us hasn't played hey mister? Oh, that's what, oh, yeah. Did you play Hey, Mr?

No, I had a fake ID, brother. When you were, what age? 19. Did you ever try to drink before you were 18? I didn't really care about it. I was smoking weed, dude. Okay. Or not even that.

I don't think anything. I was old enough to buy cigarettes, so yeah. My cool neighbor would have cigarettes. He would have Newports, and I would go over there and smoke new ports. Well, we're doing, Hey, Mr. Moore for the booze, not the alcohol. Well, these people are stupid, stupid people. And they deserve to go to jail. Because if you shoot your gun at anybody's house,

that's a crime, brother. You're going to jail, brother. Not only that, but hey, you're going up to the number one AI guy's house. Why are we starting with the second one? Because I'm just getting it out of the way. Because the cameras, the security cameras, you don't think they drove up in their own car they didn't even bother covering

or removing the license plates so the cameras got it they were arrested like moments later just total idiots and yeah Sam Altman wrote about the first one on his blog let's pull that up he did this

he starts it with a photo of himself and his husband with their baby by the way when he I hate this what you hate gay men having a baby Yes, look at the first line. Here's a photo of my family. I love them more than anything.

It's just like, all right. Well, let's continue here. Let's see what he has to say. Images have power, I hope. Normally, we try to be pretty private, but in this case, I'm sharing a photo in the hopes that it might dissuade the next person from throwing a Molotov cocktail at our house,

no matter what they think about me. He's trying to, he's humanizing himself. No, I know, but it's, I think it's just a little bit... A prop? Fully and a little cheap when it's like, look, I well, I feel like we're getting ahead of ourselves. I feel like we should get into what happened before

we get into all these, all my feelings about it. Sure. Because it feels weird to talk about it without talking about the actual thing. Well, I just wanted to pull this one quote from it. He said the fear and anxiety about AI is justified. We are in the process of witnessing the largest change to society in a long time and perhaps ever. And he talks about what he believes in, that, you know, working toward prosperity for everybody, all this stuff.

It is funny when he tweeted this blog out, I was looking at some of the replies on Twitter. And one of them was some MAGA guy who was like, I'm very sorry that happened, but I do not believe that two gay men should have a child. You rented a woman's womb. And that's just a sin or something like that. You got to have those guys in their consistency. Oh, yeah, yeah. But so the Molotov cocktail guy was charged with attempted murder.

His name is Daniel Alejandro Moreno Gamma. allegedly. Allegedly, we don't know if this is the guy. This is from the San Francisco standard. Boy, they really nailed it with this piece about it because they've got, this guy is dead to rights, man. He's on security camera footage. He's from Texas.

He came to San Francisco. Allegedly. Allegedly. Because, you know, yeah, allegedly throwing a fire bomb at Sam Hallman's home. Another moron. threw it at the security gate. First of all, what do you think?

You're throwing it at a fucking rot iron gate. I know. It's famously not flammable. They just like put out the flammable. And it's immediately put out because they've got 24-7 security. The guy's a billionaire.

And also, sir, you are on camera doing this. Here, let's scroll down. So as we're going, as I'm going through this article, it's wild. Like, so here's, they've got footage of him pacing

outside his hotel room, just hours before the attack. He's clearly like hyping himself up. Like fuck shit. What am I doing? What am I going to do? Holy shit. You don't know that as a pacer.

I'm a pacer. Oh, you pace? I pace. So doesn't mean I'm about to do an attack. No, but then they, well, scroll up. He didn't come back to his hotel room that next morning. And his housekeepers for the hotel went in and they saw a laptop and a gun because he had

a gun. So that's when they called the police. But apparently after he did the Molotov cocktail, he tried to use a chair to try to break the windows of the open AI office. Again, this is like not during office hours. So there's nobody there. And he apparently threatened to kill everyone inside. He said he wanted to, quote, burn it down and kill anyone inside. Brother. That one's hard. That was hard to just prove. He also had a three-part manifesto. All about the risk that AI poses to humanity, and he advocated for killing the CEOs of AI companies and their investors. Folks, don't do this kind of thing.

I just got to say, don't, don't do this. You're just going to ruin your life. There's nothing to be gained from this. They haven't released his manifesto they've been talking about, but did you see his substack? Uh, no. Well, I did, yeah, but I didn't read it. But according to NPR, he, he, part of, part of his thing was released, or maybe this is from his substack, but according to NPR, he wrote, also, if I'm going to advocate for others to kill and commit crimes, then I must lead by example and show that I am fully sincere in my message. This is an unwell person, man. Look at, look at this security camera footage of him in black and white, chucking the, um, allegedly chucking the Molotov cocktail. But yeah, his, his, Substack was called But, but Larian Jihadist? No, that was his, that's his Instagram.

Instagram username. Excuse me. His. There he is. His substack is just Daniel Substack. And, uh, oh, it's just his name. Yeah, Daniel. I read a good amount of this stuff. It's, oh, they might have already taken it down.

No, I still have it here. Hmm. Some interesting stuff, I would say, on the substack. He's definitely 20. I would say, give the guy a little more time to develop his voice and stuff because there were some real clunkers in some of these. But there was little moments of nice flowery writing, I would say, in some of these things. I'd say it's a shamey through his life away on this because we could have had a real...

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I think he calls him Victim One. Oh, my God. Victim one. I think I... Jesus Christ. Why? Why is that? Well, it's just fucking psycho. Go back to the...

So he's not directly named in the filing, but it describes victim one as the chief executive of a research company that deploys and develops artificial intelligence and operates in interstate and foreign commerce. Your last warning. In the first section of the document, your last warning, he's stated to, he's trying to kill slash attempt to kill victim one. Why are you saying it like that? He's trying to kill or attempt to kill. Just having a little bit of fun. Just having a little bit of fun, trying to lighten the movie. attempt to kill victim.

It's heavy stuff. And then he also listed the names and addresses of several additional AI executives, board members, and investors. Can you click the link, Luke, that says stories right under the Instagram one? Because someone screenshoted some of his Instagram stories. Let's click that. He's got this trend line of coding tasks AI can do. And he wrote, if we do nothing very soon, we will die. I'm very sure of that.

Let's scan through these. the next one. This is just a collection of news headlines and articles and he wrote being right all the time fucking sucks when it's about the worst things imaginable. I mean, guys got a little bit of delusions of

Granger here. And this is a layup case, man. He's going away for a long time. What's the next one? Oh. He's got a Venn diagram. The Matrix Terminator and Idiocracy and you're right in the middle. Yeah, I mean, I don't disagree.

with that. I mean, so that's the thing. So that's, this is another one. It's a, it looks like some kind of, it's from lawfare. It's AI might let you die to save itself. And this is kind of my point. I don't know anything about the guy.

Obviously, I have, there's very little to go off of, but he might be a little extreme. I don't know if he's, I don't know if he's like crazy. I think he might be a little bit internet poisoned. Yeah. But I don't know he's crazy, he might feel desperate.

And that's kind of the thing I wanted to get at with the Sam Altman Post is like that's not really the point. He doesn't care if you have a husband and a child. You know what I mean? I think, as you already said, he himself

said, it will not all go well. The fear and anxiety about AI is justified. We're in the process of witnessing the largest change of society in a long time and perhaps ever. and as someone like myself who's doing their best to just like stay sane among this whole AI arms race thing, it's bizarre. I mean, has there ever been a moment in time like this before where, you know, Titans of Industry? They literally come out, I don't know, every month and they look like dead in a camera and they go,

you know, best case scenario, it takes your job. worst case scenario it kills you. We don't know. We're doing our best. We're trying. Yeah. And everyone's just supposed to be like, oh, cool. Like, what's that going to do to an impressionable 20 year old who hears it and is like, oh, you guys are telling us? What's it going to do to anyone, normal person? Like, you know, and you're taking an already economically depressed population. We have a very large population of people in this country who are not in good economic conditions. And, And you're telling them these things.

Like even the jobs that you considered bad, well, at least they were jobs, but we're actually doing our best to make those go away too. I mean, you're being flooded with the images. I'm sure you've seen the Indian factory workers wearing the cameras placed on their head so that the robots will have data to see. So again, this is not, and please don't mistake me,

This is not any kind of like defense of the matter, you know, defense of the actions or anything like that. I think that what Sam Altman was doing is trying to remind people and would be copycats that he is a person. It's not, I saw it less as like a cop out and more just like, hey, just a reminder, I'm not just some faceless, evil corporate, whatever you might think of me. I am a person who loves and has all that stuff too. I think that's what his aim was here. Yeah, but I just don't think that is a good way to lead when people have like very real grievances about the things that you're...

Sure, I mean, I think that when... It's like this, it's like, you know, we went through this with the Luigi Manjone thing, who we don't know if he did that, so I want to be clear about that was an alleged thing. But it's the same thing with like, what was his name, Brian Johnson? Brian Thompson,

maybe. Thompson. You know, that man had a family and like, you know, but it

obfuscates the fact that these people are very willing participants in these systems that cause a lot of harm downstream of them and then, you know,

don't want to face any kind of consequence. Well, I don't think anybody wants to be killed by judge, jury and executioner of some guy, I certainly wouldn't want to be.

Where did I? When did I say? Well, I mean, you're saying they don't want to, they don't want to reap the consequences. It's like, sure, there are consequences, but there's consequences and then there's just like getting shot in the back. They're insulated from the system that they participate in that emiserates people. Yeah, yeah.

And they don't, they don't take part in any of the, they don't share in any of the consequences they create or any of the, effects that run downstream. I'm not saying they want to be killed. Right, right. I'm just saying you can't have these like horrible, gnarly systems and then not expect people to, you know, it's, we're going to talk about the warehouses and stuff too. Whether or not there is a real pattern there or not, I think people are making a pattern online.

That's another thing. Can I put it in there? Can you put that AI founder shocked by the comments thing on the screen? So click her profile real quick. This woman Paula, when I first saw it, I didn't realize she was, so she's playing with words creating whimsical AI. She built iOS apps for XAI, Spotify. And co-founded. Oh, that's another AI. Technology education for the age of AI. And she posted this thing where she said, I didn't realize how bad it was until I saw this comment section on Instagram and just click some of those so we can see.

So people are commenting about the news story of it. about Sam Altman's house being hit with a Molotov cocktail. And people said, I hope that Molotov cocktail is okay. Where can we support their bail fund? Please, nobody throw another Molotov cocktail at Sam Altman's house, which is pictured here that would be easy to find now since you know, since you know which neighborhood it's in. I love how collectively fed up the working class is.

Actually, that man and me were having dinner. He was never there. And it's just all these. Do it again. I missed it. New love language just dropped. Sir, your home is on an active landslide. The people are tired.

In other news, I had a bagel for breakfast. Doing God's work. More, more, more. A hero is born. No, he was with me all night at the bar. Let him go. Damn, it didn't work. Damn, free him.

And it's just so, ah, so that's where he lives. Is the Maltaf cocktail okay? This should be a nightly occurrence. One ain't going to cut it. Arrested for allegedly throwing a Maltaf at Dudes House. We have yet to know if the person they arrested did the crime or just took the fall. So the common man won't realize you can just throw Maltafs at a million. billionaires' mansions, obviously very reminiscent of the Luigi sentiment of people just very fed up.

Again, I don't advocate for this. I don't think it's a good thing. I just think more than anything, I think there needs to be a reckoning of what it means to live in a society with such lopsided income inequality, plus people building these technologies that could further exacerbate the problem or potentially kill us. I was seeing some takes about AGI yesterday.

And it's funny because, yeah, a lot of these, a lot of what we're seeing is, the conversation is gearing toward, oh yeah, if it does get to that point where all these people will be out of work and stuff, we'll just do an AGI thing. oh no no sorry you're thinking ubi i think oh sorry yeah

i'm getting very confused thank you ubi ubi universal universal basic income like everybody's going to be and they're like everybody will be free to do their thing and i saw some like well thought out articulated pushback that was essentially i don't want to people glean satisfaction from their work they glean a sense of purpose from their work. It's, it is a, it's a nice thought that everybody can just be retired or whatever this utopia that you're imagining. But, I mean, just imagining for myself, I wouldn't want to just feel like, cool, I collect my government check. What's going to happen to my kids or my grandkids? Are we just all going to be like trapped in this permanent state of

getting our UBI checks so that we can what? Like, scroll on our phones and like what's the end goal here it reminds me there was another there was an article that just got published today I I wish I had bookmarked it but it was about how a lot of retirees are finding themselves wasting their days on social media and they're just like that's a glimpse into what a potential future like this would be it's just people like when they have no purpose when they have no when they have no boss not okay I don't mean how this sounds, but that's what the article was saying. I'm paraphrasing.

It's like when you've got nobody to tell you to give you structure, when you've got no responsibilities, it becomes a very, very slippery slope, especially when you've got the drug. I held up my phone. I saw that article. I also have a different view of it. I think that the UBI thing,

whether it's UBI or some, it would have to be a complete, overhaul of everything, you know, if we went this route, I don't think, I don't think you need a traditional job type thing to have any meaning in your life. I think there's a world in which we can solve resource scarcity and people can live valuable lives without, without jobs, which is, that doesn't mean there will be no labor. You can choose to expend your labor in whatever way you want. I think my problem is it, you know, it reminds me of when we had, what was that guy's name, Chris, something, the robot investor guy.

And I always feel like if you bring this stuff up, you're like, oh, you're a Luddite, you hate tech, you're like anti-progress, whatever. And it's like, no, I'm just curious, like, what the actual plan. I think, you know, this like tech optimist thing is like, oh, well, we'll just do it. And it just solves everything and, like, poor people will be great. And you're like, yeah, but how? because that's never happened before, right? We've been promised this many times.

So when people are like, oh, we'll just do UBI, I'm like, with what? With what? Yeah, are you going to tax the corporations? Who famously love being taxed? They're going to fucking put you in a meat grinder and use your body for fuel. Or they'll assuredly give you the bare minimum necessary. Right. So that's my bigger problem is that there's no broad,

public support for a movement for ordinary people to be ushered into a dignified life if this happens. I think it more looks like what we're seeing is people being thrown out of jobs. You know, you wanted to talk about the Waymo thing where it's like that's a perfect example of like

you know, we've had so many problems with the uberification of cities where people who are already hanging on by a thread, Uber coming in and forcing them to get on that app and then them being in complete control of their wages and stuff.

Now they're trying to get... Then that goes away to come into the city and kick people off of that. It's like... Yeah. It's a very tricky precarious situation. We're in here. Hey guys, we've got to take another quick break to talk

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After you sign up, they'll ask how you heard about them. So make sure to mention this podcast to support the show. Here's what I think. I think that a lot of these AI people have really fucked up and fumbled the way that they communicate this stuff to the broader masses. Because obviously, the vast majority of us are not tech savvy. We don't understand this stuff. I don't. I'm constantly being shown and ping ponged around by perceived experts on both sides who say, the mythos thing is a perfect example. We talked about this on our call yesterday,

where on the one hand you've got Anthropics saying we're this time trust us which they've been saying since chat GPT 3.0 and even as a pretty level-headed guy I was like a little bit nervous I couldn't help but be like oh what do you mean where they're like this thing is going to ruin and I mean I've been seeing it in the markets where every day when Anthropic comes out with a new iteration of Claude

that that kills some other section of the software economy. You see the stocks act in kind and plummet. So I'm like, okay, maybe there is something to this. There's got to be. Otherwise, the market wouldn't... Oh, the cybersecurity stocks. Yeah, cybersecurity, um,

agentic AI killing, you know, fucking Atlassian or, uh, service now or you name it, cloud flare, Fastly. All these stuff, Snowflake. They're all just getting fucking taken to the woodshed. But then there are some people who come out and they're like an AI expert or a computer. or tech scientist or whatever, and they've got the credentials, or so it seems. And they say,

well, hang on a second. Anthropics only saying this because it's good PR, and you have to take that into consideration too when you discuss all this stuff. So I'm trying to plug that into the mental calculus of trying to get a full comprehensive grasp on this whole thing. And I think that, yeah, they've really fucked up by coming out and saying all of these things like, oh, it's going to be so disruptive and we actually don't know what's going to look like. All we know is that we've got to beat the next company and we're all going neck and neck and if we stop then we'll fail.

And then we also have to beat China and they might get it. And then they're going to put Chinese in your head and it's going to be crazy. Nehau brother. I mean plus the fact that... We're all going to be eating chalmain. Plus the fact that the ones who do understand it oftentimes like we get these weird letters of them being like, I'm quitting anthropic because of what I've seen and I'm retiring to the Irish countryside to write poetry

a hugger family now and you're like, as someone who just like doesn't, you're like, what should I do? And then you've got the guy doing chat GPT who can't even, when he asks it like I saw one that was, they were asking it, hey, how many months contain the letter X and it goes, October, September,

this, this. And he goes, no they don't. He goes, you caught me. None of them have X. But actually, October does have an X if you look closely. And then he goes, spell it out. O, C, T, O, B, E, R. There, you got me again. And it's just like, okay, wait, is it fucking, but then I go, okay. Sam O'Lman's going to kill that, man.

Oh, yeah, he's for sure going to find and kill that guy. But I, so all that's to say is, I think that it's a very stupid, stupid, stupid, clearly, obviously, dangerous thing for them to come out and say these, these maximalist, uh, Just like the full, imagining the full, throated, this is what could possibly happen. And putting that out there as a narrative can scare the shit out of a fucking impressionable 20 year old who's just coming into the world off the heels of COVID. Has probably little to no prospects and has no hope. What do you think? Of course he's going to fucking think this stuff.

It's a very strange strategy. It's so, it's really, really, really. They all like ask each other, what's your P-Dum? like probability of doomsday and it's like 30% 50% it's like oh yeah I just imagine if like Steve Jobs

for the like when he came out with the iPhone he does his whole presentation and everything and then at the end he's like also 60% 6% chance this thing fucking kills you I don't know man everyone would be like wait what

no you gotta do the end one more thing because that's what he always did oh and there's one more thing and he unveils a giant 6-0 it might fucking kill you kill everybody. But if it doesn't, we're going to sell a hell of a lot of these things. Or if it doesn't, it's going to take your job.

Oh my God, I don't want one. We should kill Steve Jobs. Yeah, that is funny. A popular narrative is like it could kill everybody or it could take your jobs. But also, you're a fucking Luddite if you really believe that. And you're against it. It's like, make up your fucking money. I don't think that's a popular narrative.

That is like the narrative. They come out and say it. Dario Amadee, like, goes on popular podcast. Sam Altman, they're like, they need a publicist. They need some 27-year-old girl who lives in Santa Monica who's good at this thing. And it's like, oh, no, chewing her gum. Like, no, what we need to do is like, you guys need to walk that back yesterday. Yeah, I feel myself very conflicted about it all. I feel like I don't know what to believe there is, there are AI experts all across the spectrum. There are like people who work The autism spectrum?

I mean, yes, that's true. But I'm going to... The sexuality spectrum? They're across every spectrum. Go on. That... I'm blanking on his name. Eli something Kenezer or something.

You know who I'm talking about? Maybe. Go on. He's that, like, very famous AI, Dumer. It's going to fucking kill you. AI expert. He has that whole organization dedicated to making sure it doesn't happen. and then, you know, there's people who are like, it's built.

Yes. Eliaser Yadkowski. Thank you. Oh, he's Eliezer Shlomo. We got one. That's what it is. Machine Intelligence Research Institute, Miri. And then there's, there's obviously the complete end of the spectrum where it's going to usher in our wildest dreams and end our need for.

labor and scarcity and don't stand in its way. To finish my original thought about this, I think that them being so exaggerated in these predictions, it is, again, my hope as an optimist, I don't think that it's going to end up that way. I think that ultimately these are going to be tools for people, and it depends. Like obviously a Waymo situation is going to be, yeah,

It's probably already is putting gig worker drivers out of work. But I don't think that, or like my friend Shane, who's a copywriter, lost his job. And they replaced, they got rid of their entire, this is in a movie trailer studio. They fired the entire copyrighted department. No way. Yeah. Haven't I talked about that one here? Yeah, they got rid of the entire copywriter department.

Now it's just like the creative director. or the editors of the trailers just fucking ask AI for a copy for the movie trailers. Which I've talked about on the show how I told a friend who was getting paid like a contract job and he was having trouble I was like, too, just feeding it to AI.

It's not, it's unfortunately works. I don't know. Or are we both know someone at Google who has a very, very good secure job there. He's one of the higher ups within one of the organizations. And I've talked to him extensively about this. And he says, dude, it's made my job so much better.

And my ability to use it has actually kind of given me some job security. Because the ones who just, you know, plug their ears and close their eyes and pretend it doesn't exist are the ones who aren't going to stand out. Like I already am because I'm proving that I know how to use this tool. I'm using it effectively. I'm making myself more efficient, thereby, you know, impressing my boss and my boss's boss. Blah, blah, blah. Yeah, but my, so the, the economy is built up of all kinds of different labor. That's what I'm saying.

Like, in some cases, it's going to... So those people are going to be fine and will probably use it as a tool. Yeah. I think the real worry is this immediate impact of, okay, the Waymo thing in that, in that piece, they're talking about, like, close to a million or maybe more jobs that could just be wiped out. if those driver jobs are gone away. And then the big one, when Andrew Yang hit the scene with his whole UBI thing,

the big one he was talking about was the automation of truck driving jobs because it's like the number one employment for, I think, high school grads who didn't get a, high school males who didn't get a college degree, I think. I'd have to look it up. Let him drive the trucks. It makes them happy, man.

So, I mean, what happens when you just knock out 10 million jobs. I suppose... 12 million jobs. Yeah. I suppose the hope is that it would... And then in a few years you're knocking out, you know, I just... Well, yeah, I don't know.

And I don't think that anybody knows. I think that all we can do is kind of hope that it happens gradually enough to where things can be implemented, be it laws and regulations. I think that what would be a good thing is... But who's going to do that? Chuck Schumer is going to... peer over his glasses. That's the biggest issue. Like, I think if there was a,

if we lived in a real functioning country who was interested in taking on our biggest problems and coming up with solutions, you wouldn't, you wouldn't see this kind of stuff. I think that's the thing. If there was a, there was an whole administration be like, oh,

Jesus Christ, we're staring down the barrel of a mass unemployment situation here. We need to make sure we're prepared. Instead, you have, you know, Mr. McDonald's doing his dooredash. You like, we don't like men who play women's sports, do we? We don't like it when a man plays a women's sport. Speaking of all of this, there's a movement that I did not even know existed called PauseAI. And you go on their website here.

Is it PauseAI. Info? Yeah. Let's go to their proposal. If we click on there. their proposal is to by the way so this guy the molotov cocktail thrower was he was part of the discord for pause ai which then distanced itself from him after the attack and they put out a statement saying that pause ai exists because we believe everyone deserves to be safe including sam altman and his loved ones violence against anyone is antithetical to everything we stand for and i went on to their website and it's very interesting they are calling for a global pause They're saying implementing a temporary pause on the training of the most powerful general AI systems. That's what they're looking for. We do not expect countries or companies to risk their competitive advantage by pausing AI training runs for a long time.

If other countries and companies do not do the same, this is why we need a global pause. They're saying that implementing a pause can backfire if it's not done properly, but they believe that their proposal would mitigate the most serious downsides. Can you click that link for mitigate the most serious downsides? serious downsides. Yeah, they, they, it leads to this other article where pausing too early could have issues. I mean, all that's to say is they're very, very thorough. So let's go back to that thing.

Oh, yeah, they have a whole, I went through their frequently asked questions thing. They're suggesting a treaty, the primary end goal of these, they, they're calling for summits, getting the U.S. and China involved, setting up an international AI safety agency. I mean, boy, what an undertaking. Because, I mean, you're effectively asking capitalism itself to pause. Because so much of this is heavily weighted on now so many people's retirement accounts, the very truckers and gig workers that we're talking about, their 401Ks and IRAs, if they've got them.

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I think that's like... I've never been to Uvoo Jover. You've never been to what? Uvoo Joubber. What's the... What do you think the percentage of Americans that own stocks is? I'm going to say 65% of Americans own stocks. Let's see.

62%. Wow! Own stock, whether through individual stocks, mutual funds are self-directed, 401ks, or Roth IRAs, totaling about 167 million people. However, ownership is heavily concentrated with high income, college-educated, and older Americans more likely to hold investments. I mean, that checks out, obviously. It checks out.

And about 70% of white adults own stock. Guys, we're winning. We just keep winning. I mean, those are stark numbers. 53% of black adults and 38% of Hispanic adults. Well. But, yeah, I mean, a pause would certainly tank the stock market, that's for sure. I mean, yeah.

They might tank it themselves if they can't land the plane. let's see they're calling for enforcement of the treaty requires the U.S. and China to back it with their economic and military power. If the leaders of both nations understand the severity of the risks of AI, they will see that the

success of the treaty is in their own interests. If a safe superhuman AI is created, the AI itself will be used by the AISA to enforce the treaty. Interesting. How could we ever know it's safe? I know. If you create the superhuman thing

why is it not just going to lie to you? Like women do. Am I right? I know. We've lived with women long enough to know. Am I right? We're never going to be able to try. What if it just wants to lay around and eat hot chips and lie? There's nothing we can do. There's nothing we can do.

I do find it interesting that these pause AI people are not against AI and the proliferation of AI. They are very much on board with it. What they aren't on board with is the. speed and perceived recklessness of the way that things are going. I mean, I would say that's about where I fall. I don't, like, as I was saying, I'm not trying to be this like, I'm anti-progress. I just think there's this, you can feel that this is being done in a way that's having delete serious effects on the population.

Just even things that, you know, don't even get brought up, like artists. There was just that woman, she went kind of viral because her, her music got trained on some data from whatever. And then they started basically like creating music off of her music that they fed into it. And she couldn't even make copyright claims. And it's just all across the board. It's taking people's abilities to make a livelihood. Did you see what Diplo had to say about it?

I did watch that. I thought that that was interesting. It's an interesting perspective. I'm not saying... No, no. But that point especially makes me nervous about young people as well. A big part of his point was that I have the historical context. I got to grow up without it.

And we're kind of the same way. I've used it to research things and been like, that doesn't feel right because of what I know. But if you go into it without any of that... Make me a cool beat. Whereas he can be like, make me a beat. like this producer from the 70s. Yeah, that's effectively

what he was saying for those who missed it. He was just saying, it is here, it is coming, it is inevitable, you can either learn to use it and use it or not use it, but if you choose not to use it, you might get left behind. You might get left behind. But I think that point about his of like...

We have an advantage being part of the old head generation? I do think we have an... Suddenly being Unkis cool, huh? I think we have an advantage in so many ways that, like, I couldn't even imagine what what being a young person is like now with all these things. It came up a little bit because we briefly talked about this stuff on the live and

or maybe it was the warehouse fire. And I was talking about how, yeah, people just feel, I think, a lot of desperation and not a lot of hope for the future. And just a bunch of things, a bunch of comments coming into the chat. Like, I'm 22. I feel this way. I'm 20. I feel this way.

I feel this way. I feel this way. I feel this way. So I have no idea what this guy's mindset is like, but I do worry that there's going to be more and more people who feel that desperation and desperate people do sometimes desperate things. I do want to also go over the fact again that, I mean, I think that it's very easy for us to be present-minded and feel like it is unprecedented

and unlike any other time before. And it is in many ways. But speaking to the, oh my God, I'm fucked kind of mentality is definitely not new or unique. And also, I will say, there were some people who were hopeful, which is good. I'm very glad for that. But I was fucking, dude, when I was 26 and I wasn't working and I was like depressed and I felt like, what the fuck am I going to do with my life? That in itself is just a very normal.

But did that feel very personal to you or did you have like a more. existential thing. It was a little bit of both. I mean, it was coming off the heels of the recession and feeling like, well, I guess I should it was kind of before the peak of, oh, I guess I should learn how to code. That's kind of what I was thinking is like,

I guess I was looking. Isn't that funny? They told everyone to code. I was learning. I was looking into like coding boot camps because I knew a girl who's now a magician, by the way. The coding to magic pipeline is very real. Well, I knew she had done one of these coding

boot camps and got a job. And it was paying her, you know, 80K a year or something like that. And I thought, oh, maybe I'll do that. But I mean, ask your, ask your, if you're older and you've got Gen X or Boomer parents, ask them what it was like for them growing up. You know, there was, there's always been, I mean, we really, we had it the worst. We had 9-11. I don't think we even we had the recession. We had COVID. And they're still living with the effects of that. That's the I think, like there have been so many things that have been compounding this moment. I think

it's not just AI, it's everything. It's the affordability crisis. There was that I was telling you about that New York Times thing, the death of the basic American car. And it basically goes through how you used to be able to get these cheap, reliable cars. And now if you...

15 grand. There's very limited options for under 25 grand. Well, 15 grand adjusted for inflation. It was about $2,100 for one of these like 70s or 80s, Honda Civics, whatever they are. Adjusted for inflation, that was $15,000. Now you're very lucky if you can even find a car for under $25,000. Usually you're paying $30 or over. A brand new one.

The average new car price is $50,000, which is insane. Yeah. And I was looking at that article, and I'm very interested in the New York Times comment section. I bring this up all the time because I find they're just like the most steadfast like Normie damn voter. And I'm just always curious what the... So I always go to the reader's pick, which is basically the most popular comment with the most thumbs-ups. But I was honestly only going to see what people wanted out of cars and stuff like that. I was just curious.

And the very first one was, can we please stop pretending that everyone in America is middle class? I get that middle class as a cultural, not an economic category, and that being middle class is a matter of personal dignity and identity. But in a service economy, you are no longer middle class, just because you run a little Caesar and working class if you are a plumber. You are part of a precarious proletariat that barely keeps its head above water. Median personal income in the U.S. is lower than most of the developed world. And unless you belong to the top 25%, life in the U.S. is harder and less affordable than in peer countries.

Sure, taxes in Europe and elsewhere might be higher. But Americans have to pay much more for health care education than other first-worlders who usually enjoy better schools and Medicare, medical care than their American counterparts. In short, America is not the middle-class society. It claims to be life for a large majority of Americans is more stressful and precarious than in other rich countries. Unless Americans drop their jingoistic exceptionalism and take a cold, hard look at their society, meaningful reform cannot even begin. And that was the top comment with 2.6,000 recommends,

Like, this was when I screenshot it. Damn, dude. I thought it was going to say, can we please stop pretending that we want cars with screens? Well, that's what's very funny. And so I was like, God damn, people. So I went to the next one. I was like, that one's probably about cars. And then it was another article about the same thing.

However, the fundamentally extractive U.S. economy is making a middle class existence impossible. There's only one solution, a fundamental shift in how we pay for the foundations of society from labor to capital. Close the loopholes. You make money here. You pay. tax the rich. And I was like, what the fuck is going on? It wasn't until a couple down until I saw someone being like,

we need to stop with all the bells and whistles. How would we just? That's what I thought the top of comment was going to be. And I was like, they do need to stop with all the damn bells and whistles. And so I was perfected cars like 15 years ago. Stay there. Like Toyota did. It's a coma. 2003. Perfect truck. Yeah, we got, yeah, we got to make it big on so you can't see children if you want to hit them. But that's not even true. Like, because in China, they're coming up. these electric vehicles that are blowing people away that cost a fraction of what it cost to get a new American car. And so, yeah, just like I'm looking around and I'm getting very nervous about the sentiment

in the country. We already talked about the, is it University of Michigan that does that sentiment study that has been tracking? And it's like at lowest in since the study's inception. and I'm just like, God damn, the New York Times is like, we need to, we need to think about how you're a proletariat who's being, living the precariet lifestyle. I'm like, whoa.

Yeah. There's a, there's a palpable. And we hardly talked about it, too, the warehouses thing. I just want to clarify, there's a sentiment online, not sentiment. It's almost like a false narrative where, okay, that guy burned down that toilet paper warehouse, which we talked about. And he said that thing about pay us a living wage, and this wouldn't have happened, whatever. People are taking old warehouse fires and footage from it.

Ascribing this narrative to it. Yes. But end ones that may happen, which have been unconfirmed why, or whether it's arson, or it could just be some kind of electrical fire or whatever. And I'm sure you've seen it. There's this weird, like, though, you know, like, living wages save factories or whatever. Or like, or like,

just the footage of a burning factory and like, all you had to do was pay us a living wage. And it's like, holy shit. I think it's, I mean, the Twitter thing is kind of a good representation of this entire new media economy, which is that emotions and grabby headlines drive clicks, which is what ultimately pays for the entire thing. Whereas you used to just be, you tune in and watch the news or you got the fucking newspaper.

And it really was, we really had it all, man. We really did. We really had it all. Yeah, I'm torn on this. I don't think it's good for people to, like, have a constant stream of information. But I also do think there's been, I think there's been a real breakdown in the ability for manufacturing consent and elites to kind of feed you narratives. I think it's. but it's a double-edged sword.

I think people have been completely internet poisoned and maybe don't believe anything anymore. They're like, oh, well, that's because of blah, blah, blah, blah. I hate blah, blah, blah, blah, blah is always getting in the way. I think before it was much harder to see through, because it's all immediate, dude. They like, with the war,

Trump tries to say something and we're all going, dude, I'm looking at the fucking thing. What are you talking about? That's clearly not what happened. Or he can say something and the leader of the Iranian parliament can just be like, no. That actually didn't happen. We're not meeting with him.

You know, we're issuing a correction. Speaking of, folks, I highly recommend that you Google Ashley St. Clair. and it'll surely pop up this video of her recently. She is, for those who don't know or remember, she's Elon Musk's latest baby mama. How many kids is he up now? 16 or something? Who knows?

72. Probably. But she famously had a child with Elon Musk and she's kind of freed herself from the Matrix, so to speak. She's an American influencer, author and political commentator. She has a book? What the fuck is that? Elephants are not what? Birds. Oh, it's probably an anti-trans thing because she became known as an outspoken proponent of conservative and anti-transgender politics in 2025. She revealed that she and Elon Musk had a child together. So anyway, oh, in 20206, she denounced her anti-trans activism. What? So, folks, she put out this 10-minute video of her putting on makeup, wherein she talks about she spent.

nearly a decade in the MAGA sphere of influence and she puts out this video that basically she's just pouring water over the entire thing and she talks about how the whole MAGA influencer ecosystem works

I'm paraphrasing obviously you gotta watch it for yourself but it speaks to what you were just talking about it's so I mean it's what we all knew but I mean just hearing it straight from the horse's mouth she's saying how there's these chat groups where there's just influencers,

but then there's also members of the administration, billionaires, you name it, and they're taking their orders from the tippy top. Well, that's what I was going to say. Here's what we're going to talk about, and they get paid. When you brought up Cernovich and the other guy, I was like, well, they're getting paid. There's a reason why they're doing fucking, you know,

cartwheels and contorting themselves. And she, one of the things she brings up is the way that they are paid skirts the law in creative ways so that they're not disclosed. And it's just, it's so simple, but it's so devastatingly effective because this is how narratives are born, proliferated, and, you know, and take over the country sometimes. Like when it becomes the only thing that everybody seems to talk about, it all comes from these little chat groups.

And, you know, for all her flaws and faults and previous awful things that I'm sure she said and done. It's awesome that she's coming out and saying all this, and I hope that it gets a lot more attention because it's really pulling back the curtain. Yeah, but there is something about, I didn't know about this like elephants or not, what is it, elephants or not birds thing.

I need some kind of, I don't know, maybe it's like very Catholic of me or something. I just need, with all these people, any of the comedians who did their Trump, apology during 2024 and all that you guys are welcome back I just need like

maybe like some kind of public humiliation Oh yeah yeah Andrew Schultz has to walk around with this dick hanging out Well Some kind of like Self flagellation

I need to see it Waits suspended from the piece It's very It's a very harmful ecosystem they're participating in Yeah And you're right To I don't know, I don't know exactly what it looks like, but it just, I'm, I, I'm happy

who change your mind. It's just very difficult for me to be like, welcome back. Yeah, I don't like, especially just seeing your fucking, your fucking children's book of like, and it's like, well, no, I denounce all that. I'm like, all right, that's great. And, you know, Joe Rogan's obviously doing his. Joe Rogan. Can you believe all this? Yeah.

Can you believe they're doing it? This is wild. Jamie, pull that up. It's like, yeah. We can believe it because literally everyone said it was going to happen. You stupid motherfucker. And you were like, no, I'm smarter than all of you. Did I ever show you the video game character that Joe Rogan looks exactly like?

No, but just real quick, click one of those. Like, just what is a page like that look? Like, what does it say on the page of? The elephant thought it was a bird, but it was wrong. Because elephants can't play bird sports. You laugh, said culture. Culture vulture. But what would you rather?

Sing songs or carry carts of food that's been gagged? gathered. Hmm, is it true that I really love to sing? Maybe being a bird is actually my thing. Ayah, y'all. Oh, yeah, y'all. Babu, man. Um, let's round it out with this, uh, Elon Musk versus Open AI thing. So just real fast. Uh, Elon Musk wants Sam Altman, Sam Altman out as the CEO of Open AI. He's looking to have him, uh, removed from his roles as part of his legal challenge to the company's conversion to a for-profit company. He wants a court order. restoring, so he wants to flat out fuck them.

It's never going to happen because they're worth $800 billion now. He's going to fuck them the way he won't fuck these baby mamas. He's not shipping the cum. He's inserting it right into him. Couldn't have said it better by then. Couldn't have said it better. That's what I was hoping to say, but

you took the words right out of my mouth. He wants a court order to restore them to a nonprofit research organization and he wants whatever damages are awarded to go to Open AI charitable arm and open AI clapped back

and they said quote the lawsuit remains nothing more than a harassment campaign that's driven by ego jealousy and a desire to slow down a competitor certainly true a real let him fight moment it's obviously you see Elon Musk and you're like well he's not

wrong you see Sam Altman's and you're like he's not wrong Let them fight, man. The real winners are the lawyers. But OpenAI also is asking California and Delaware attorneys general to investigate Elon and his associates for, quote, improper and anti-competitive behavior. And then finally, I really like what Open AI's chief strategy officer Jason Kwan said. They sent a letter. They said that the lawsuit could undermine the company's efforts to ensure that artificial general intelligence benefits benefits.

benefits all humanity. Hey guys, this is actually going to hurt humanity when you think about it. So, like, if you try to stop us and make us go back to being a nonprofit, you could be killing billions of people in doing so. So just something to think about. Just something to think about when you try to, you know, make us proceed with caution and walk back our P-Doom statements, okay? Yeah. You could be fucking humanity. You, you 70-year-old judge, old ass, don't understand this shit.

Dude, the other thing, I meant to bring up. You can just lie to old people. I didn't even know it. I think it was on the live. You were like, because we were talking about the data centers, I think. And the mama centers, yeah. And you were like, well, the thing that would bother me is the noise. Yeah.

And I looked it up. And there's all these videos of people, you know, sitting on their porch. Used to be quiet out here. It's horrific. You hear the birds chirp. Now all I hear is this humdrum noise going on. It's not. a low hum. No, it ain't. It's real

loud. I hear it all the time. They're actively driving people nuts. Yeah, yeah. If I lived next to that, I would... Oh, I would nuts me drive all day. I might ask Claude how you make a Molotov cocktail, if you know what I'm saying. Yeah. It's really easy. I don't think you need

to ask. I'm joking. It's just a little turn of phrase. Yeah. Data centers are making people sick. Anyway, this guy's name is Ben Jordan with two ends. Brother. You don't like that? fucking sucks to me. Don't do that. It's Ben with two ends.

All right. He's cool. He's cool. He's cool, apparently. All right, everybody. That about does it for this episode. Why don't you join us in the bonus? We'll be talking about just a... Oh, oh! Comment of the week. This one comes from Natalie Ruth Silva. She

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