The Ben and Emil Show - BAES 149: Palantir Just Dropped a Manifesto

Episode Date: April 23, 2026

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Call 16-531-2600 or visitconXontario.ca. We're going through that crazy, crazy Palantir Manifesto. We've got to go through it point by point because it's absolutely nuts. Question is not whether AI weapons will be built. It is who will build them and for what purpose? Is that straw manning or is that steel manning the other countries? I read this as like either you're going to get eaten by a Chinese robot dog or you're going to let us build the cool robots that eat Chinese people.

Too many have forgotten or perhaps take for granted that nearly a century of some version of peace. Nearly a century of peace, I mean, sure. Has prevailed in the world without a great power military conflict. At least, hang on, hold on. At least three generations, billions of people in their children and now grandchildren have never known a world war. 1926 to now? Basically this, dude. It's, yeah.

pointing the gun at everybody. Pointing it at my balls and my head. Yeah. Anybody out there like Rob Zombie? Yeah. Yeah. All right. Welcome back.

Now I've got that... Part of the song stuck in your head. No, I've got a different one. Remember, maybe they were both on the twisted metal soundtrack. This is what. It's like a world collide. Oh, whoa, whoa. We can't sing anymore.

That was a different... I was doing a parody version of that song. Yeah, it's a parody. charity. Hey, everybody, welcome back. Stay tuned for the comment of the week. It's coming at the end of the episode. And also, Ben and Emile Show.com, sign up and get the phone number for the Q&A because we'll be doing that again. What, next week, I think, or the week after? I do think next week.

Someone criticized me for always touch. My neighbor did. Oh, also my neighbor. You are always grabbing your tit. I am? Yeah. Okay. Then you are, then she is vindicated. Because she was like, Ben, you're always.

touching your chest and I was like really? You do that a lot. Yeah, whoops. Well, you know, and I told her it's because my nipples are always popping and I'm trying to flatten it out. And then anyway, I thought you were shaking your peck. No. Well, sometimes I do because I like the feeling. All right. Feels good. Uh, anyway, she also said that I never talk about my neighbors on here. So I'm here to say that my neighbors are awesome. She said you never talk about them. About your neighbors on this show, which doesn't really have to do much with neighbors. Exactly. I was like, Why would I talk about you? I don't know.

You never say anything. You must maybe, you're probably talking trash. I'm like, no, I'm not. Anyway, boy, boy, oh boy, what an episode we've got for the people this week. We're going through that crazy, crazy Palantir manifesto. We've got to go through a point by point because it's absolutely nuts. And we got to talk about just this beautiful little surveillance state the billionaires are prepping us for. We're going to talk a little bit about.

James Dolan. I also want to talk about the Peter Thiel stuff, his new little startup where they're, I'll tell you about it. Okay. It's just, we're, we're hitting a real threshold here, folks. Yeah. We're sleepwalking ourselves into a crazy situation. And then, uh, we got a new Tim Apple. We got a new Tim Apple, new iPhone Apple's, uh, Tim iPhone. Let's hope this John guy can turn us around. We used to have Steve Jobs, Tim Apple. John Apple. John Apple. And Bob Hope.

Now we have no jobs, no hope, no Apple. Is that like one of those like boomer chain emails? Yeah. Remember this? We used to have Steve Jobs. Just getting the most forwarded email of all time. It was, it was a, we used to have Johnny Cash, Steve Jobs, and Bob Hope. Now we have no cash, no jobs, and no hope.

Something like that. Yeah. That really resonates with the boomer mind. Yeah. And they all, they're looking, they're not even looking over their glass. they're looking through the bottom bifocal and doing this. It is funny seeing other people's parents

look at phones and you're like, oh, it's not just my... They love to press the screen. Yeah. Do-de-do-do-do-do. Do-de-do-do. They use that as their ringtone. Oh, sure. And also, I've got a pretty funny story.

I met some celebs over the weekend at a party. And I may or may not have said some wildly inappropriate that caused Woody Harrelson to laugh at me. You met Woody Harrelson this weekend?

Yes, I did. And I'll tell you all about it the bonus. Yes. I'll tell you all about it in the bonus. Wow, now I'm so curious.

I went to, man, arguably I was in the coolest place in Los Angeles. The coolest place in Los Angeles? On Friday night, or Saturday night,

Friday night. Nobody knows what day was. All right, let's crack. Let's crack open a cold one, shall we? And by cold one, I mean this absolutely deranged Palantir tweet, which starts with because we get asked a lot.

Yeah, so that's, I do want to make clear. When this first popped into my timeline, I thought it was a, I thought it was a quote tweet that they were responding to or something. A lot of people are, this just came out of nowhere. And literally just because we get asked a lot. We don't know what they're, they don't say what they're getting asked. I guess they must be getting asked a lot about this book.

Because no one read this piece of shit. That was written by Alex Carp and another Pallantir guy. Oh, yeah. And it's called the Technological Republic. So they're saying the Technological Republic in brief. And I would imagine they probably did this because they were like, there's no way any SF sicko is reading a book. If anything, they're turning it,

they're just putting it into an LLM and being like, summarize this for me. So they're like, why don't we just do that for people? That's, oh, that's what they're doing here. I see. I honestly don't know. I don't know what they're doing. Well, it came across.

It's scary. Yeah, it's scary. And it's, it's interesting. Let's start with point one. Point one. When I first read this, I was almost like, because the first thing it says is just number one, Silicon Valley owes a moral debt to the country that made its rise possible. They're talking about the United States.

But at first I was like, oh my God, maybe Alex Karp had some kind of like road to Damascus moment or something. And he's, he's seen the light. And he's like, we owe a moral debt. And we need to give back. But then he finishes it with like the engineering elite of Silicon Valley has an affirmative obligation to participate in the defense of the nation. It's like, oh, God damn it. And that's kind of, I read that as a broad. I'm being, you know me, folks.

You know me. All my haters know me. I'm being as generous. I'm being as generous as possible. I'm just trying to be like a horse in Central Park. I've got blinders on. And I'm just like, okay, I'm going to read this. I'm not looking at any hot dog vendor. I'm not looking at any children.

I'm not getting upset. I'm just pooping in the bag behind me that they provided me with. That's it. Clopping around. Point two kind of also made me, I feel like kombucha face girl, you know, where she's like kombucha face girl you mean Brittany what's her name I can't even say her name what's her name who is like famous as oh no and it was a LaCroix she was drinking yeah yeah yeah Brittany what's her name oh my god broskey I didn't know you didn't know that that

that was Britney broskey I didn't know it's the same you want to talk about a wild okay so obviously you know that she went viral for making a funny face yeah but then she turns out to be a very talented, funny person. Great. So I love that. I love that for her. Cambocha girl.

This is the meme called kombucha. Oh, was it was a kombucha? I thought it was... She's trying kombucha and she does this... I thought it was coconut flavored LaCroix. But that's basically what I'm doing on the first couple points here.

Because the second point... The second point, again, is we must rebel against the tyranny of the apps. And I'm like, okay, yeah. Maybe they're going to... Wait, maybe they're going to hit us with some phone addiction stuff? Is the iPhone our greatest creative, if not crowning achievement as a civilization, the object has changed our lives, but it may also now be limiting and constraining our sense of the possible.

Kind of makes you go, wait, hang on. Little cook. Yeah, yeah, our sense of the possible. I think they're talking about complacency here. The iPhone, yeah, it's changed our lives. You've got the app store and everything. But now we're only thinking through the very narrow tunnel of focus that is the iPhone and And that is the app store and that is MacOS.

But then when they hit me with three, I'm like, they say free email is not enough. I'm like, wait, yeah, I'm with you. They've got to give way more back. And he says, the decadence of a culture or civilization and indeed its ruling class will be forgiven only if that culture is capable of delivering economic growth and society security for the republic. Why do these guys talk like this? For the public. Yeah, yeah. So are they basically saying that the end goal shouldn't just be free email?

And that it should be a lot more than just, yeah, yeah. Which, again, like, all right, I'm with you so far. We've got to start building libraries, giving back. Yeah. And then... Wait, I'm still stuck on point number one, that Silicon Valley owes a moral debt to the country that made its rise possible and that they have an affirmative obligation to participate in the defense of the nation.

Does that mean rhetorically? So when the haters in punk trash start... I think... Talking trash. They apples should chime in and be like, fuck you, Hater.

I do think after reading the whole thing, at first, point one, you're like, what does that even mean? I think it's all encompassing after reading the whole thing.

I think it's like, we need to change the culture. There's too many pink-haired libs and whatever, decrying the violent history of the nation. But then I think outside of culture, they want to fully embed them.

themselves in the security state. And we'll get into all that. Yeah, number four, the limits of soft power of soaring rhetoric alone have been exposed. The ability of free and democratic societies to prevail requires something more than moral appeal. It requires hard power. And hard power in this century will be built on software. This is where I go back to my original kombucha face of like...

Sorry, I fell asleep for a second. where my face starts to pucker because it's just like, yeah, they, they're, they're prepping you for how they want this whole hellish security state and they want to be embedded in it. So they're saying that soft power and rhetoric alone are too soft and that's been exposed and we need to be, we need to be more badass, we need to be harder. Pretty much, yeah. And that that was going to be built on software. It really reminds me of the like Pete Hegseth view too where it's like, we're, we're, we're, we're,

appealing to something way more than just moral appeal. You know, it brings to mind the no more rules of engagement. That's for gay morons. We're doing full-blown war crimes and we're not going to be apologetic about it. Our flag is bacon on it.

Isn't that epic? Number five, the question is not whether AI weapons will be built. It is who will build them and for what purpose. Our adversaries will not pause to indulge in theatrical debates about the merits of developing technologies with critical military and national security applications,

they will proceed. Oh, okay. So we're kind of, is that straw manning or is that steel manning the other countries? I read this as like, hey, look, either you're going to get eaten by a Chinese robot dog or you're going to let us build the cool robots that eat Chinese people. Or Chinese dogs. Or Chinese dogs. So just get out of our way.

You know what I mean? Stop being such a sissy. Or you're going to find yourself at the end, you know, getting chased by some kind of Chinese robot dogs. It's definitely an accelerationist view that it feels very 2023 coded because that's, this was kind of the thing that they were talking about a few years ago. They're effectively stomping all over, pissing all over if you'll entertain me here, the pause AI people.

And being like, no, we don't have time. to stop and indulge in theatrical debates about the merits of developing technologies. We just got to do it, bitch. Our adversaries certainly aren't going to. Our Chinese adversaries are over there doing it. So we might as well hurry. But yeah, I do think that's a direct shot

at anyone being like, hey, should we maybe think of like the ethical problems around this? Shut up, Lib. Yeah. Shut up. You think China's... Shut up, I swear to God. He's dual-wielding.

Exactly. Yeah. You think China, yeah, go ahead. You think China's going to have any of these discussions? No. I keep thinking, whenever I see Alex Carp talk, I think of, boy, sorry, gang, this is a throwback and a very specific reference. Chris Farley on S&L doing Tom Arnold. I vaguely remember this.

He's just constantly, like, jumping out of his seat and he's being, like, really animated. Okay. And. Oh, sure. Alex Carp is that? Yeah, there's he's just constantly bopping around.

I will say NBC Universal probably probably has a vicious vicious copyright game. Well, without the sound you see him? Yeah, that's Alex Carpard for sure. I remember cracking up as a kid

watching this. That is very, that is very him. Clearly poked out. Zooted out of his mind. All right, number six. This is a big one. And it's open to interpretation, I think.

National service should be a universal duty. We should, as a society, seriously consider moving away from an all-volunteer force and only fight the next war if everyone shares in the risk and the cost. This is equal parts. This is like total kombucha face. Like, oh, yeah. National service, I'm up for service of some kind. My first thought, though, is you first, motherfucker.

Like, I'm not serving shit. Well, I've aged out. I'm Alex Carp. I'm too old. Well, and I think he would argue that he has some kind of exemption because he's too important. He's needed in the trenches in Silicon Valley. He also needs to get, if he doesn't get six hours of cross-country skiing in a day, he freaks the fuck out. And he'll turn a gun on his platoon immediately.

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When they ask where you heard about them, please support our show and let them know we sent you. Yeah, we should as a society seriously consider, moving away from an all-volunteer force. I like this final sentence. We should only fight the next war if everyone shares in the risk and the cost. That's hard for me to argue against. Yeah.

Like, I don't want to send, obviously there's this situation we have where poor people end up in the military and go off and get sent to die. And right now, what is probably the dumbest war we've ever seen? Yes.

Yeah, I think we'd think about it differently if it wasn't just, if these types of people weren't exempted from the consequences of these horrific foreign policy boondoggles. I like the idea of a national service, and I don't mean to armed forces service, but like... Some kind of expanded peace corps. Yeah, something like that. Everybody's junior year or something. They got to do a year of... I don't know.

Fucking, I don't know, man. Working in the forest service. Sure. Been cleaning up. Clear brush on trash. Yeah. I don't know, man. I would have been glad to do that in high school, get a little life experience.

These guys, of course, they'd be like, this should do a mandatory entrepreneurial class and all of these kids should do startups. It's like, shut out. It would all become like. Startupy crap. Vibe coding abroad. Oh, God. All right.

Number seven, if a you, and it's so jarring reading each one because it's like, okay, now we're talking about Marines. If a U.S. Marine asks for a better rifle, oh, I get it. We should build it. And the same goes for software. If a U.S. Marine asks for better software, we should build it. We should, as a country, be capable of continuing a debate about the appropriateness of military action abroad while maintaining unflinching in our commitment to those we have asked to step into harm's way. I do think this one is kind of the crux of the thing, or at least one of the, when we're saying, like, why are they doing? this, I have to imagine this is a big part of it, because I think here they're saying, like, you guys need to think, you guys need to expand your mind when you think about defense in this country. Because what does this country do so well? Waste trillions of dollars on missiles and jets and big ass guns and tanks and all kinds of shit. But why aren't you guys

giving us that money? That's what we want. Okay. need to think about us as rifles. You give the Marine that cool new rifle he wants. Now give that Marine the most sophisticated spyware. That we might use to spy on you. But hey, you don't want freaking Johnny Goodyear going off to Iran and getting his shit blown up because he didn't have the latest Palantir. Yeah, Palantir Tech.

I do like that he says we should be capable. of simultaneously debating whether or not we should go to war but also like still maintain a bleeding edge military I guess

yeah but that for me especially for the people that those four kids that are sent to war like we should give them every advantage possible so they come home alive while also yeah still like but let's stop sending our kids to the most moronic

stupid wars which is the first first part of that, but also, I mean, they make more money when we go to war. Right. This guy has a direct financial incentive for Forever Wars. I don't know if it was him directly or other Palantir execs. It might have been him directly being like, this is good for us. When this shit happens, it's good for us. And you know, if the fighting stops, so does the money printer for all Palantir. And we spend so much money on defense. You know, we should be spending money on the roof and the floor. That's, I like that. Thank you. That's really good. Thank you.

And I've never heard it put that way. Thank you. I should have said it better. Defense. Defense. These next ones confuse the hell out of me, honestly. Say it. So public, I kind of get it.

Number eight, public servants need not be our priests. Any business that compensated its employees in the way that the federal government compensates, public servants would struggle to survive. Are they saying that public servants should, should be paid way more? I think way less. Any business that compensated them in this way would struggle to survive. And with the first part, they shouldn't be our priest. I think he's, I think he's trying to say, like, we need to break out of the confines of letting government constrain us. They're like, they can't, they're not, they've proven themselves incapable.

We can't, because obviously there's this movement. Like you talked about pause AI and, but then there's, I think, more progressive candidates coming on the scene being like, we need to seriously think about the way AI impacts ordinary people, whatever. And I think they're going, fuck those people. We cannot... Yeah, basically. We cannot listen to them and we can't... We can't let them constrain us. It's the Brad Pitt meme. Shoot that guy. I love that fucking thing. But then the next part is what confuses me. Because, okay, so he goes I'm saying we can't have public servants be our priests.

I also read it as like they shouldn't be fucking rock stars. Like that feels almost like a dig at Trumpism too. No, well, he's not naming names. Right. But then the next one kind of made me think of Trump. Because they say number nine, we should show far more grace towards those who have subjected themselves to public life. And I'm like, didn't you just say we shouldn't, we shouldn't raise these people up as

priest or whatever. And he says, the eradication of any space for forgiveness, a jettison of any tolerance for the complexities and contradictions of the human psyche may leave us with a cast of characters at the helm we will grow to regret. And that's where I'm like, I feel like he's saying, hey, let's go easy on Trump.

It's just a mere man. It's like he's saying, these people have subjected themselves to public life. And we should be, we should be grateful to them. And remember that they are human. They are not infallible, and we should stop treating them as such. I also think he's...

It's cruel. But it's like, brother, we're talking about, like, the career politicians here. The Nancy Pelosi's, the Donald Trump's, the... I think he's thinking of his friends. Donald Trump, Elon Musk, David Sachs. I think he's being like, look, those guys went to bat for you. Yeah. And it might have been a little messy, but how dare you hold them in contempt?

They're complex people. They are, they are, they, we should be tolerant. of the complexities and contradictions of the human psyche. Well, hey, maybe if you're not spamming your every thought into the world every day and then acting like a big defensive baby and not ever admitting that you've ever been wrong. I'm happy to concede this point if they've ever shown any apologetic tone toward anything ever, but it's never that. It's always libs and fucking the mainstream media and all this hoarse shit.

They're right. We're wrong. Cry, cry me a fucking river. This next one is big one too. Cry, cry me. Number 10, the psychologization.

How do you say that? Psychologization. Psychologization. Thank you. The psychologistization of modern politics is leading us astray. Those who look to the political arena to nourish their soul and sense of self,

who rely too heavily on their internal life, finding expression in people they may never meet, will be left disappointed. Yeah, you're describing, you're describing MAGA, dude. This one makes me feel like he's trying to lay the groundwork of, with those previous two points and this one of like, let's start letting algorithms make these decisions. That's just my, I mean, I'm trying to make sense of this, you know, fascistic 22 point plan he's laying out here. I'm, I don't know. And it's funny, because some of these points, we can directly point to the proliferation of technology and software.

and algorithms as being the primary causes of these things that exploit the darkest parts of humanity and the human psyche that's gotten us to this point. Do you know what I mean? How do you mean in this sense? Well, everything that he's describing, the psychological, psychologization of modern politics and the way that we treat the people in public life, these are all symptoms of social media. Oh, yeah. And algorithmic, you know, shortening everybody's attention spans, their, their capacity for empathy, their anger is, you know, everybody's got such a short fuse. It's like, brother, this is, this is what technology has given us. This is, it's a, it's a, it's a really toxic symbiosis between technology and human,

hollowing out every news organization and just leaving everything a shell of... In pursuit of better margins and ever higher revenues and cash flows. All right, so what's number 11? Hit us. Our society has grown too eager to hasten and is often gleeful at the demise of its enemies.

The vanquishing of an opponent is a moment to pause, not rejoice. I like that one. All right, sure. I would like it if it wasn't coming from him. I think he's directly talking about like, hey, people are too mean to guys like us. People are too mean to the tech firms. People are too mean to the like VC guys. People are too mean to all our friends.

And yeah, I think he's speaking directly to the general disposition online that there's a lot of cheering on when... These guys fuck up. Yes. And I think, fine. Okay, yes. I think whatever. We all learn that in grade school. Like, you know, be nice to people.

But you're talking about these guys take action and they have consequences. And then when there's backlash to them, they're like, how dare anyone be mean to us? Oh, and they're the first ones to rejoice instead of pause when they've got a vanquishing of an opponent. And not only that. I mean, this guy's talking about this as like,

hey, we need to be nice. Fine, it's a nice idea. But this guy's entire public life is him talking about how like people are going to die, people's heads are going to get blown up. The West is the best and we need to like kill all the rest. This guy's nuts. And just videos of him getting interviewed by journalists and he's just like swinging a sword around like just give me a break.

It's it's constant with these guys. It's, you know, rules for thee, none for me. Everything, everything about it. I got to say I am often eager to hasten and I am often gleeful at the demise of my enemies. You know? Sure. Oh, there goes one of my enemies. Man, I am feeling gleeful at the demise.

Yeah. When my enemy is face down in the gutter. So I think that's the overall thing of like, hey, stop being so mean to us. We are trying to bring beautiful techno feudalism to you and just accept it, you fucking plebe. Number 12. The atomic age is ending. One age of deterrence, the atomic age, is ending. And a new era of deterrence built on AI is set to begin.

Okay, I agree. Sure, I agree with that. I wouldn't say that the atomic age as one of deterrence is necessarily ending. I would say that it's just maybe taking a backseat. And it's maybe even combining with the AI age of deterrence. I would say I find this very strange. If I was an AI proponent like him, I would not compare them to or liken them to atomic weapons. He's basically being like, look, guys, AI's the new WMD, we all know it. So let's just get on board with it.

But quit trashing it because that's mean and it hurts our feelings. And yeah, I don't, it's also a strange thing. I don't think of, I don't think of. deterrence as necessarily a good thing. I'm like, I cannot believe we built the system where we're all like, we're, I'm seeing level-headed people being like, Jesus Christ, do we literally need to live in a world where places like Iran

just have nuclear weapons? So we would have less war and America wouldn't just lash out and dump bombs on them. Basically this, dude. It's, yeah. Uh, fuck, pointing the gun at everybody. Pointing it at my balls. And so that's where I'm like, this whole thing is so,

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Sure. Okay. This is what I was talking about at the beginning, where there's obviously been this trend to reckon with America's past a little bit and are standing in the world. And these guys don't want to have any of that. It's so ridiculous because the, Those who... What is it?

Those who don't know the past are doomed to repeat it? Yeah, those who don't study history or... So like, guy, guys... But they want to repeat it. They want to keep doing this. He's like... How long until Silicon Valley,

like, you know how they just keep reinventing things that already exist? Buses and stuff? It's an Uber, but multiple people can get on it at designated stops. It's like... It's indentured service... It's people work.

and in exchange you just give them like a place to live and food oh dude I'll never forget when I was at like I got invited to a dinner thing where by a friend who works in tech who's very normal but like it was a bunch of people who work in tech and a guy was literally talking about like the state of the world and

and going on about how come why can't we just I don't understand why people like us if we wanted to weren't allowed to just like pool our money and we all pay a little bit and then we can have the resource, like we can have these resources available to ourselves,

like schools, whatever. And I'm like, my guy, you're just describing taxes. That's what we're supposed to do. Yeah. But the entire government... We're like a gated community.

Yeah. I can't believe you're just like... What if we pulled our money together and relocated to a golf course and put fences around it and security guards at the front? Jesus. All right.

Beautiful brains on these guys. 14. American power has made possible an extraordinarily long peace. This one broke my brain. I mean, he's getting technical. Like, technically, we haven't had a big world war. Wait, I got to read the rest. I know.

That's what I'm saying. It gets so crazy because, all right, just go ahead. Too many have forgotten or perhaps take for granted someone over here that nearly a century of some version of peace. How long is a century? A hundred years. Interesting. What's a hundred years ago? A hundred years ago would be

World War I? No, no, just the year. Just the year. 1926. Interesting. Yeah. It's just so interesting that that was a century of relative peace. Yeah. There's just like a lot of stuff happened.

Nothing coming to mind that would go again. I mean, I guess World War II. Well, he says some version of peace, dude. What's some version of peace? You know, we're over here, we're fine. Over here, we're good. We're okay. Except if you're black and in the South or, you know,

any kind of minority for a big bulk of that time. Or a woman, a human woman. Nearly a century of peace. I mean, sure. Has prevailed in the world without a great power military conflict. At least, hang on, hold on. At least three generations, billions of people in their children and now grandchildren have never known a world war.

1926 to now? Yeah, but most people have never known a world war. What are you talking about? I think you should check your facts. Literally, World War II is in there. Korean War? You need a pop a Zin and shut up. Vietnam?

Yeah. Yeah, well, that wasn't a World War genius. Every war in the Middle East. You know, me and my buddies should pool our money together. Toppling governments all across the global south. Yeah, but again, relative peace, some version of peace. I'm not going to go into any kind of specifics. It's unbelievable.

Hey, is that a naked lady over there? Check that out, dude. Look over there. Number 15. Unbelievable. The post-war neutering of Germany and Japan must be undone. Wait, I thought that there was no war. What post-war?

This one is bizarre. Post-war indicates that there was a war preceding it. But he just said that for a century, there have been very little wars. Number 15 is maybe the one that is the craziest. The defanguing of Germany was an overcorrection for which Europe is now paying a heavy price. What price are they paying? A similar and are you talking about Russia? A similar and highly theatrical commitment to Japanese pacifism will, if maintained,

also threatened to shift the balance of power in Asia. Well, okay, let them run Buck Wild. What are we even doing here? Just no camps. Germany can't build camps or railroads. We just do everything else, but stay away from that part. This one is psychotic. It's, yeah, like Germany seems to be. to be doing fine. The biggest economy

in the EU, they seem to make all the decisions for for the continent. Also, how are you arguing that denotification was a bad thing? And we went a little too far.

Well, you're saying it was an overcorrection. It was an overcorrection. Okay. Let him keep some of it. It's called denotification an overcorrection. Well, I mean, again, they've got to keep some of it. So crazy.

And then also to... You don't want to go cold turkey on the denunciification. Because then they'll have withdrawal symptoms. Also to throw, you know, fascist Japan in there. And also the way he's talking about threatening the shift to shift the balance of power in Asia, I feel like he's like, we need another Japanese fascist state and we need to unleash them on China. Yeah, we got to bring back the rape of Nanking. Not that much, but like, you know...

Which happened. in the century of peace that America ushered in. I'm surprised he didn't say a similar theatrical commitment to Japanese pacifism gave us you know underwear vending machines scattered throughout Tokyo. Yeah. Are you not happy about that?

Yeah. If you need underwear, I don't understand what the problem is. If you've got stained draws, go over there and get some new ones. This man breaking my brain. Number 16. We should applaud those who attempt to build where the market has failed to act. The culture almost snickers at Musk's interest in grand narrative,

as if billionaires ought to simply stay in their lane of enriching themselves. Any curiosity or genuine interest in the value of what he has created is essentially dismissed, or perhaps lurks from beneath a thinly veiled scorn. This is just restating that shit he was saying about, like, you guys are too mean to us, okay, we're doing our best. I know. It's like he's essentially saying that anybody who is bold enough to dream big should be celebrated instead of made fun of. Sure, I can get behind that. But when they do it with such incredulity? I don't know what you're going to say next. When they do it by like constantly talking down to others by mocking others by manipulating the market in incredulity. prejudiceness.

I think that was the word I was looking for. When they do it by manipulating and lying. A complete disregard for ordinary people. Yeah, and completely talking down to and insulting those who dare to challenge, you know, the possibilities of some of the, not even the possibilities, but just, hey, you know, you've made all of these promises on which your entire fortune is essentially built. and it's kind of sketchy that, you know, many of these things aren't coming to fruition. Some of them are. But it doesn't mean I'm butchering this,

but you're not immune from any kind of criticism. Yeah, it's the people hate us for no reason. It's exhausting, man. And it's all, it's all just because they hate us and they're losers and they want to see us fail. And they don't seem to understand that it's not that people are dismissing, oh, they should just,

he should just, and it's also another straw man kind of thing. Billionaires ought to simply stay in their lane of enriching themselves. Dude, Elon Musk is the richest man in the world. What are you fucking talking about? And he was able to do this in this system that you guys mock, the system that you guys think has completely failed you. You guys have all been able to completely capture the whole thing, become extremely wealthy beyond everyone's imaginations,

but you're like, somehow we are the victims here and we're being treated unverily. Without the short sellers that Elon Musk and now Alex Karp love to talk trash about, they wouldn't be, the stock prices wouldn't be where they are. Oh, yeah.

Many of the moves higher in Tesla were because of short sellers getting squeezed. Same with Palantir. I reject premise 16, sir. I think that, sure, we should applaud those who attempt to build where the market has failed to but I also don't think that those people are immune to very valid criticisms when they act a fool and when they insist on making themselves the main character all the fucking time.

And in Musk's case, manipulating algorithms that determine policy, domestic and foreign, setting up this fucking awful system where posting gets rewarded monetarily. So, oh, who would have thought that that would result in bad actors doing all kinds of manipulative shit? We also haven't even touched on the Doge shit. Oh, God, I totally forgot about that. Crypto and all that stuff? So, no, no, not the Doge Crypto, the Department of Government Efficiency. Oh, sure. I mean, both of those.

Yeah. Number 17. Silicon Valley must play a role in addressing violent crime. Ah, yes. Because they're so good at solving every other problem. many of which aren't problems they're just inventing solutions for. Many politicians across the United States have essentially shrugged when it comes to violent crime. Abandoning any serious efforts to address the problem or take on any risk with their constituencies or donors

in coming up with solutions and experiments in what should be a desperate bid to save lives. Okay, so what is Silicon Valley going to do? This one's terrifying because this is when he's talking about like, okay, now all of the, as it always does, all of these things we want to export around the world are going to come home. We want not just to give these things to our beautiful precious Marines, but we also want to give them to our police. We want to make sure you live in a horrible police state and your every move is watched.

Well, if you're doing nothing wrong, you've got nothing to hide, my friend. Right, that's true. And then, you know, he talks about like... I'm a good person. What does he say about... He said, okay, so yeah, many politicians across the United States, have essentially shrugged when it comes to violent crime. That is not true.

And it's very funny. These guys... I mean, many, sure, some, I'm sure. But no one wants to bring up, like... They try to basically bury that whole... The mayor in Baltimore, Brandon Scott, where he's basically come up with this like comprehensive violence prevention thing

where it's both social spending and getting people more opportunities while also trying to get guns off the street, doing more community outreach, all this stuff, and having massive results from investing in his community. And I feel like people like this are the ones who shrug it off. They're like, no, we need to make sure we're locking up every individual. We need to build bigger jails.

We need to lock up all these people to make sure they can never harm anyone. Also, I'm sure this guy absolutely hates Zoran Mamdani, and they just keep, it's like every month. They're like new record low for crime in New York City and these guys These guys don't they don't want to talk about that they just want the Larry Ellison AI police state that he's been pushing for I mean we've watched that video on here multiple times And it's terrifying Number 18 the ruthless exposure of the private lives of public figures drives far too much talent away from government service

The public arena and the shallow and petty assaults against those who dare to do something other than enrich themselves has become so unforgiving that the Republic is left with a significant roster of ineffectual empty vessels whose ambition one would forgive if there were any genuine belief

structure lurking within. What do you think about this? I feel like maybe I'm way off base, but coupled with the last one and the stuff I was talking about the way he feels about like, you know, more progressive politicians and stuff, this feels like a direct to like commentary on Epstein file stuff of like,

we need to stop digging in to these elites private lives. Okay? Their lives are hard enough. And if they fuck children, that's their personal business. And I think when he's like saying this stuff about like, you can't even enter the public arena because people will be like, hey, didn't you fuck kids?

And it's like, excuse me, sir, that's private. And he's talking about these, you know, there are politicians. they try to do it with people like Brandon Scott and Zora and Mamm Dani you see the New York Post being like in college he had a party

when he wasn't supposed to and everyone's like shoot that guy yeah Brandon Scott same thing they tried to like they tried to get this weird scandal where he like he shot gunned a beer and didn't finish all of it

where he like spent some money for his you know for his department did some like team building stuff and used this money he spent over a years long period and made it seem like he threw like one massive party for his team and it was this whole thing that rocks. But that's not what he did at all.

Yeah, but even if he did, that would rock. Yeah, even if he did, fine, whatever. It's just like, he's like, we need to make it so absolute sickos can stay in power and will not be called out on that. I don't know. That's my read, but maybe I'm way off base and it sounds like he's saying I would have gone into politics where it not for how everybody treats politicians. It makes their lives so, you know, it's driving too much talent away from government service. Is it?

I mean, I think that people go into, just because you're in tech doesn't mean your private life is any more secure than a politician's. Yeah, I mean, that's a good point. I'm sure this guy is just as scrutinized. You definitely do get scrutinized. Obviously, like, Graham Platner comes to mind. he's been he's had his which I think the DNC commissioned he's had his

Reddit profiles scraped everything he's ever done online scraped and come out and of course he had some unsavory things he said online who among us not me have done everything right in my life and so yeah you have to put up a little but he seems willing to take that on

and being like look you know I want to I have a vision for for what politics can look like this country that the establishment is opposed to and he's willing to fight for that. But yeah, I don't know. I think he's advocating for sickos to be left alone. Number 19, the caution in public life that we unwittingly encourage is corrosive. Those who say nothing, those who say nothing wrong often say nothing much at all. Ooh, okay. There's like a direct commentary on what everyone was being like, that guy's a coked out freak when he was on that one show. Oh, yeah. I guess I'm

just not going to say anything at all. Okay. I guess I'll just shut my mouth if you guys don't like when I come out and jump around and wave a sword around. Number 20, almost done here. The pervasive intolerance of religious belief in certain circles must be resisted. The elite's intolerance of religious belief is perhaps one of the most telling signs that its political project constitutes a less open intellectual movement than many within it would claim. Dude, wait, what? I know. This one, I was like, this is just false.

I mean, this country is so deeply embedded. Everybody says we're a Christian. All the guys on your side insist that we're a Christian, a white Christian, Protestant, whatever nation. J.D. Vance had to, like, convert to Catholicism like five years ago just to be taken seriously. I mean, just get the, I mean, and Trump has his. weird spiritual advisors, like speaking in tongues and our generals are telling infantrymen, like, you are fighting a war for God, son. Yeah.

I mean... Number 21, some cultures have produced vital advances. Others remain dysfunctional and regressive. All cultures are now equal. Criticism and value judgments are forbidden. Yet this new dogma glosses over the fact that certain cultures and indeed subcultures have produced wonders. others have been proven middling and worse, regressive, and harmful.

I'm looking at you, Pokemon card collectors. This is just fully, I think, where he's going full Nazi. The West is the best. Other cultures are backwards. We need to make sure we protect and spread Western values all across this nation. And only Palantir can help you do it. There's a weird anti-Indian racist. that's sweeping the right lately?

Interesting. I'm not familiar with it. I mean, I know the right is quite... Oh, man. Well, it's like Nazi right. Yeah, which is... That's an oxymoron. Yeah. And finally, we must resist the shallow temptation of a vacant and hollow pluralism. We in America, and more broadly the West,

have for the past half century resisted defining national cultures in the name of inclusivity, but inclusion into what? It's more the same, you know, and he's, and, you know, while we're at it, saying we should, the West is the best, fuck diversity, fuck black people, fuck trans people,

fuck women, fuck gay guys. He's just like, well, what is he saying? We, we've, we've resisted defining natural cultures, national cultures in the name of inclusivity. They're saying that,

we got to go back to having some kind of cohesive monoculture? I think that's exactly what he's saying. I think he's like, we used to not pretend about this. And we were like, we are a white Protestant or at the very least Christian nation. And over time, we have veered too far off into inclusivity and plurality and making sure other other cultures take part

in this American project and no more and we don't have to apologize for it anymore you know what Alex Carp and Palance here

tell you what you come up with a new national anthem that absolutely bops you don't think the cart one bops I think it absolutely slaps, whips, bops whatever you want to say

it is an awesome song come up with a new one that's how you'll you'll sway some people come up with a new one um I've kid rock is probably available

he's probably at home right now looking at pictures of black hawk helicopters or something this is cool man did you see him do that flyover yeah of course I did

he's fucking god damn when did kid rock become like the face of uh right wing culture I actually have no idea he kind of like

took the man from what's what's it called Ted Nugent or something Oh yeah Ted Nugent Yeah Look at those skinny legs, man

What a tacky, tacky man Yeah Yeah Salute to you, dude Salute to you Yeah Yeah

Yeah Man oh man But this stuff You know This stuff is not happening in a vacuum I wanted to go through it all because like these these guys i mean obviously the entire project of this show i feel

like since its inception has been kind of shining a spotlight on these guys and it's obviously gotten so crazy over the last five years they've gone from kind of working in the shadows a little bit to he clearly doesn't feel any type of way posting that he doesn't feel like he should be hiding those the fact that he thinks maybe we went too far with denotification is proud of it you know and this is the atmosphere we're living in and that James Dolan article which we're getting to next which we're getting to is he's the daddy of Madison Square Garden they're calling him he basically owns um he owns Madison Square Garden entertainment which owns all these venues like like Madison Square Garden, Radio City Music Hall,

the sphere in Vegas. They're building more spheres everywhere, and probably more venues as well. But... We need more tetrahedrons out there, man. What is it? Tetrahedron. Multiple sides. Oh, okay.

He also owns the New York Knicks and the Rangers. Oh, yes, and then all the teams. And he's a, like, weird Nepo baby freak. His dad was this media titan, who... Did you know? I didn't know this. He was in some weird...

James or his dad? James. He had some band and because of all his access he would get to open for like the Doobie Brothers and these weird... They were called like J.D. in the sound

or something like that. Sounds like a cool band. And so people would really make fun. You know, you would see... JD in the straight shot. JD in the straight shot. Um... Yeah!

And so, you know, they would have these pictures of him with his fedora. So he's been... He's been thoroughly... Damn, dude. Look at those teeth. Oh, you know he got veneers. Oh, man.

Oh, his dad founded cable vision. Yes. Wow, man. So this guy kind of sums up a lot of these dudes. He's a butt hurt kind of guy in this article on... What is it? Wired? Yeah, the guy basically wrote this whole...

It's incredible. This whole security apparatus within James Dolan's organization. spying on people he doesn't like and it's so much crazier than you could even imagine. Yeah. He basically apparently he was mocked

in a lot of New York media early on like probably in the 80s and 90s. Yeah, with all this kind of stuff and he was also called like a Nepo Baby and like a fail son and all that stuff. So he's clearly got some

thin skin and yeah, the article just covers by the way he was, I love that the article pointed out that he was friends with Harvey Weinstein. And there's like a picture of them and it's like, plus he's a sex pest adjacent guy. But yeah, they've got all kinds of examples. I love this one.

In 2014, there was a stock trader with floor seats to a New York Knicks game. And with like 30 seconds left on the clock, the Knicks are winning. They're going to win. This guy said, you stink to Carmelo Anthony. And they ejected him. Not only did they eject him from the game, they got him fired from his job. They reached out to the guy's employer and said, like, this guy was belligerent. He was drunk.

He was harassing people. He was disruptive to the game. He's an embarrassment to your firm. You should fire him. And they did. And then this poor schmuck ended up trying to sue them. And I don't know what I was. James Dolan was very sensitive about the fact that for a long time, the Knicks and Rangers were

shit teams. And you would hear chance. Yeah. Like, sell the team. Yeah. Yeah. In 2017, a season team. ticket holder told James Dolan to his face to sell the Knicks. And then he basically said,

shoot that guy and had security like tail him for multiple blocks. And then in 2018, they get this new security chief named John Eversole. And with him, they ushered in facial recognition technology. And one of the big parts of this is really a sad story. They tailed a transgender woman for two years. And this John Eversol said it's because they wanted to keep her away from the players. It's really terrifying. At least they didn't misgender her.

The journalist, I'm blanking on his name, the journalist who wrote this article for Wired went on Pablo Torre finds out. People should watch the interview because they really go through, the guy brings the documents with him, and they really go through this whole

system they've built where it's like second by second minute by minute oh yeah they're following every move this person makes

these guys are bored it's crazy they yeah they describe how this woman who's they use a pseudonym for her to keep her identity secret

although she apparently had a pretty big Instagram following they're like yeah she she started according to like official documents, not official,

but documents that they got through their insiders, they had her up in the nosebleeds and then a few minutes later, she's down in the lower sections because she'd been a dedicated fan and been going to these games and knew a lot of security guards. And then she got down to the front row one day,

thanks to some security guard that she knew, posted it on Instagram, and then these Madison Square Garden executives. I think it was Pride Night too. Oh, geez. I think you might be right. And then all the executives were furious because they said it tarnished their image. And she was banned after that because this John Eversole had a security fabricated a stalking allegation.

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because local news is big news. Choose news, not noise. CBC News. Sounds like John Eversole is the one doing the stocking. That's the head of security. That's the crazy guy, basically leading this entire operation, who's an absolute nut.

He also carries around a gun, either on a, like, a, a hip holster or like a shoulder holster he just sounds like a psycho and this was all kind of happening they were basically building this

security apparatus before all the AI stuff went nuts before it was cool and then we're able to implement more of this horrific AI stuff facial recognition

it was kind of a testing ground for a lot of venues that use it now yeah and they're doing like 40 people per minute, they're like able to cross-reference them and of course, sweep through people's social media profiles to see if they were ever like, James Dolan should sell the Knicks. Fuck that guy, shoot him. They should just put up a sign no haters allowed because that's what their whole thing is.

They just don't want haters coming into Madison Square Garden. They have the most like thin skin, bill. who's like, I can protect my feelings at all times with this horrific AI security system. They got a guy who... It's so funny. I believe he sold six shirts that said like fuck James Dolan or something like that or like sell the Knicks. Band. I love how he's...

They've got over 1,200 lawyers are in their facial system. They are banned because they represent various opposing sides of various lawsuits. That is so funny. They had one woman who wasn't even a part of one of the suits, but she was a partner at the firm. Sorry, lady. Get the hell out of here. She tried to take her daughter to the Rockettes at Radio City Music Hall, which she owns.

Yeah. You're out of here. You're out of here. We heard you not so nice to James Dolan. Yeah. Who's that? You bet you should have Googled that before you came here, you stupid asshole. During a hockey game in 2021, there was a leak to a signal group chat that had since been leaked,

had this ever-souled guy trying to ask security to find people who shouted things. Some of the quotes are, I just heard sell the team. Any idea who screamed it? Now Dolan sucks. Where is it? someone then forwards someone then says that they forwarded the IDs to the Intel

team for workups like hey we've identified the people we've got them we got their IDs and then Eversoul said thank you load in facial facial. Facial recognition like load in facial load in facial load in facial and then yeah

Dolan has since tried to say it's all for security and anti-terrorism but the NYPD says we're not sharing any anti- and the FBI that both they're like no they basically said that because yeah it's this whole thing this is this coming out at the same time as this

Palantir shit is so funny because it is a perfect example of what is going to happen just be careful out there when James Dolan he goes on to like TV shows because there was a lot of stuff online being like wow James Dolan I don't want to go to MSG anymore they're doing all this like scary facial

recognition stuff and he's he tries to go on there and he's like no it's a good thing. What we're doing is we're stopping the terrorists. We're taking NYPD and FBI terror watch lists and feeding it into our bullshit system. And we're making sure that our facial recognition thing, it immediately goes like, oh, no, that's a terrorist. Can you define terrorists? Sure. It's anybody who says things like James Dolan sucks or the Knicks stink this year, which is generally haters of any kind. How would you define it? what a terrorist is.

But then the NYPD and the FBI come out and say, we have not collaborated with this guy in the sleet. Why would we fucking do that? And but that's what he's built. And I think that's what you're going to see is this weird nebulous security state being sold to you is like, we are the only ones who can keep you safe. We can make sure a terrorist attack never happens.

But meanwhile, it's just Alex Carpe being like, if one more motherfucker makes fun of my sword, I swear to God, they'll never see a concert again. Yeah. And they just want to make sure they can insulate themselves from these people who fucking hate their guts. That's some of the, one of the companies that was kind of a testing ground for them. I think it's called E. Connect. They are... Is that the guy who like built the Vegas, like the Vegas facial recognition stuff? I think so. But the new Intuit Dome, where the LA Clippers, home of the LA Clippers. I haven't been yet. But apparently it is all. about and it's under the guise

of like frictionless moving faster getting paid paying with your face paying with your face and all that stuff and also

they're talking about the World Cup next year this year next year this year this year this year having two months

or something implementing all this stuff so if you're a hater you better start deleting posts and being careful because haters

are not welcome at these. And the same goes for our show. If you're a hater out there, we're tracking your IP address. We're pulling your IP and we're going to make sure that you get banned effectively because haters aren't welcome.

I feel like such a chump because they're either going to sell it as protecting you or the efficiency thing, which you're right, of like, oh, it's going to be faster to pay, it's going to be whatever. And I got to say pretty much like every time Delta,

release is a new like, hey, just like give us all your data and you can get through security quicker. I'm like, fine. At first it was like touchless and now it's like face ID, da-da-da. And I have to say, I do fucking whizz through security, but I probably shouldn't do it. Like every, every time. You know what you could do? Anybody out in New York, go to a, go to a Nixie. I know this postseason now. I don't even know if the Nix made it. But once you try wearing a shirt that says like, I love James Dolan. Maybe you'll get some pre-mo treatment. Yeah, but you'll get a little bit of a...

I love James Dolan. Wow, James Dolan is doing... Let's go, Dolan. We love Dolan. Never sell. Never sell the Knicks. I love James Dolan. Just wearing like a shirt with his head everywhere, just hearts. You know who's fucked? Dude, he'll give you a billion

dollars. You know the side talk New York? Yeah. The, like, they do those man on the street things. Yeah, yeah. You, fuck, I feel like they're always like, fuck James Dol and sell it next. Those guys are... I'm going to go up there and be like, I love the guy.

I think what he's doing is great. I heard he doesn't like dogs and you know what? He's got a good point. I don't either. They stink. I think they ought to put them all on an island. Get them out of here. Anyway.

I feel bad for any poor fish fan watching who's just now like... Because you know how they do those like 30-night residency at the sphere? Oh, yeah. It's going to be different every night. There's going to be trippy visuals in the background that you'll never imagine. But now you're just geeked out of your mind on... They're tracking my every fucking movie. There was a guy I saw...

Did you see it on Twitter? Someone had posted on the Fish subreddit, apologizing to the people in his section for taking too many mushrooms. No. And he was like, to the woman with her young child who left because of me. I'm so sorry. Fucking hippies, man. They're just...

God damn, dude. Is there anything more on the nose? and taking mushrooms and going to see fish. I'm sure it's fun. Christ's sake, dude. Whatever, I don't need to shit on hippies, but just... Shut on hippies if you won't. I'm sure James Dolan doesn't like hippies.

You know, it's fine. I had a very funny situation. I had a very funny experience with this where... I had no idea how crazy this was. I have a friend who works for MSG. And I also don't want to say too much because now that I know what a fucking freak James Dolan is, I basically was trying to get

Sarah's brother tickets to the Knicks because he loves New York sports and it was his birthday and I was looking online and I was like good Lord! They're so expensive and I literally text my friend

not to ask for tickets just to be like, is this normal? I was like, what the hell is going on? And he was like, the Knicks are good now so everyone goes and it's like really hard to get tickets,

blah, blah. And he was like, they changed the system and it's a little bit trickier now, but like, let me see if I can do anything, whatever. I was like, all right, if he can help,

whatever. And he was like, okay, I'm going to help you. But then he explained how it was going to be this whole, like, convoluted thing. Because he wasn't supposed to give tickets to,

he was only supposed to use them for himself. Oh. And I was like, dude, it like cannot be that serious. To the point where day of, Sarah was like, were you able to get the tickets?

I was like, he says, they're coming through, but it's like a whole thing. And he literally is like, started texting me as if he was going like, hey man, I'll see. Oh, I'm feeling sick. Yeah. He's like, okay, we're going to, we'll meet, we'll meet at the gate at blah, blah, blah. And then he texts me like an hour before the game, like, dude, I'm feeling so sick. Like, you can still take him if you need him. And I was like, Jesus Christ, do we really have to jump through all these hoops. And I hope I see James stolen there. I'm a big fan. And I have to imagine he's far.

fucking watching his employees like Oaks too. I'm sure it's fucking terrified. Jeez, man. Let's get an insight into how cheap a meal is. How expensive were the cheapest tickets? Well, if you're going to get someone a gift, you want to get them

nice seats. So I don't know exactly what they were when I was looking, but for anywhere in the inner bowl, it was like, and I was getting him for four. It was me, Sarah, her brother, her sister. So I was like, Jesus Christ. Like, it's going to be...

I'm not trying to spend $100. Dude, no, no, hundreds of dollars for each one. This would have been... Each one, yeah, a thousand bucks, easily. It would have been $2,500. And then you get a Dolan dog?

It would have been $2,500 for the four of us. Dude, I think Dolan should just lean into it. But the seats he got us were fucking incredible. We were like... You know what he should do? He should have a hater night. Where, you know what?

For one night, haters are welcome. We're turning the security system off. Yeah. Every, every hand. that I've got is welcome to come and you can get your willies out and you know but every ticket is a thousand dollars

or something like that. All right. Wait, before we wrap, just one last thing. This is what I was talking about. So this is another, you know, it feels like all this stuff is happening at the same time. Basically Peter Thiel,

famously an investor in Palantir, famously absolute sicko, one of the best to ever do it. Perhaps the most evil and wealthiest and most influential influential game in, go on. That's probably true. This is all happening while he's launching a new project.

And I'm just going to read these two paragraphs from the Daily Beast to describe it. Because we all remember the whole Gawker thing. The company is called Objection. It was founded by Aaron D'Souza, a lawyer... A lawyer who worked alongside Teal's legal network during litigation against the firebrand tabloid Gawker, a campaign that used Teal's fortune to fund a sex tape lawsuit brought by the wrestler Holk Hogan, culminating in a 140 million verdict that drove the news outlet into bankruptcy. It was sold as a principled stand for privacy.

In reality, Teal was settling a personal score. Gawker had outed him as gay years earlier. That case announced something important. If you had enough money and patience, you could bury a media organization. Objection is the industrialized version of that lesson, repackaged as a tech product. The pitch is straightforward. For $2,000, anyone, the subject of a story. a competitor, a political opponent, a total stranger, can file a challenge against the published article.

A team of objections freelance investigators, which the company claims includes former FBI, NSA, and CIA personnel, then assembles an evidence file. While the reporter is invited to respond and submit their own documentation, the material is then handed to what objection calls an AI tribunal, a jury of frontier language models from OpenAI Anthropic XAS, mistral and Google supervised by a proprietary system branded a judicial purpose transformer. This body, if you can call it that, then issues a

verdict on each factual claim in the story. And so basically they want this whole it's a whole basically attack on any criticism. Okay, you want to write an article about us? Well, we created this whole phony algorithmic... Show us the allegation.

Here, we've got it right here. Yeah, I'd like to submit that wired article that says that I eat dog food? It's not true. I tasted it, but that doesn't mean that I eat fish food. I don't eat dog food. Factually incorrect. And I would like to sue them, please?

The worst part is that... I want to sue them, please? They basically create this public score called an Honor Index, and they attach these ratings to journalists. So now they're building their own database of, like, trustworthy journalists, and anyone who does any critical reporting on them is then labeled a, you know. A non-trustworthy news source. Yeah.

It's just a very terrifying. You hear that? Tim at Wired? Your trustworthy score is about to drop. Oh, you know James Dolan is filing this thing through. Objection. James Dolan does not suck. Real-time protection.

While the investigation is underway, fire blanket tracks how your disputed allegation is spreading on X. It lets you alert other users in real time, dramatically reducing reputational damage and preventing potential false narratives from gaining traction. Dear everyone, Ben Kahn does not eat dog food, despite what the folks at Wired. Despite what the libs at Wired.com want you to believe.

That's what's so terrible. It's all these soft. Make your first objection. Soft-ass billionaires who are just creating this new system where they are completely insulated from this entire thing. This is interesting for when that wired article about my eating dog food drops. It's good to know for you because you definitely don't eat dog food. No, I definitely don't. And any allegation to the contrary, clearly is going to be...

It's going to be good for me. This is actually... I love it because it's like... People that otherwise might not know about the article saying that I eat dog food are now going to be alerted to it. Hey, just so everybody knows, fire blankets on it, like, you know, this guy doesn't eat dog food. And it's like, I never would have, what? You with a shirt on that says, I don't eat dog food? I don't eat dog food.

Yeah, that's why I have the shirt on. I don't eat dog food. Okay, but you seem really, really interested in convincing people that you don't eat dog food. Maybe there is some truth to this. Yeah. Whoa. What? Here's some, are these some open cases?

Amazon workers Amazon workers were forced to work around a dead colleague and told, don't look. Can you click it? What happens if you click it? Does it start like, this is ridiculous. It's basically just Claude's UI. It looks like it's just... Going like, I'm thinking on that.

It looks like Twitter notes, public notes, whatever. Look at that. They have a countdown for how much longer they're investigating it on. Oh, my God. this is so fucked I can't believe they're already doing it what's the thing Joe Rogan promoted the use of

wow these guys are basically going to take God they won't let the every every time they were embarrassed every time they were wait so what's the

let's click one that's completed let's let's see what the verdict is is Brigitte McRohna man oh it's false oh thank God we have objection to Wow, this is cool. Got it.

Official record confirmation. Interesting. Consistent corroboration. Okay. But absence of supporting evidence. Yeah. Let's go back to the... That one's by Candice Owens.

Yeah, go back to the Joe Rogie one. Let's see. Oh, it is false. He did not promote the use. See, now, yeah, he... Excerpts. Rogan said he has taken several therapeutics to recover. One of those drugs he mentioned,

Ivermect. is something more often used to deworm forces. CDC says there's no evidence it works on COVID. It's increased usage has only led to a substantial increase in overdoses after a push by some on the far right seeking vaccine misinformation. Okay. Dude, what? But look, I'm sorry.

To say that's false, they've basically just created Snopes.com for themselves to be like... But you pay. I mean, what a fucking, what a grift. It's only $2,000 and we'll Snopes.com anything you want. And we'll say, it's whatever you wanted to say. But they're saying he never said that. But then it's like, okay, he goes on his very influential podcast and says, I'm using ivermectin as a therapeutic.

And when you have a horse deworming medication that's discouraged by the government, that actually causes some people in this crazy environment. We're into actually want to try it. That's the upside down where we're in with figures like Joe. Okay, go back real quick, and I just want to scroll through some of the other open cases, and then we'll finish up here. The Biden administration weaponized federal law by selectively prosecuting pro-life activists under the FACE Act. Ooh, Katie Perry sexually abused Ruby Rose at Spice Market Nightclub in Melbourne. Now that's on everybody's mind.

Ooh, that one could cost up to $5,000. It's not just $2,000. Some of these are big ones. Look at that one. $10,000 down there. Canacuck Camps. molested kids and made them sign in NDA. Oh, dude, not Cantercuk, camps.

Up to 10,000. Are you familiar with Camp Canacuck? Wow. Christ almighty, dude. Oh, wow. Donald Trump wrote a 50th birthday note to Jeffrey Epstein that contained the message, quote, may every day be another wonderful secret. Oh, my God.

I mean, some of these are like, who, I don't understand. David Sachs leveraged his White House position to increase the, I mean, that's hard to prove that he actually, the intent was there. But it's not that hard to make an argument that that is the case. I mean, hey, you know what? I'm glad Peter Thiel's collecting his 10 grand on that one. All right, folks.

Also, we got a new Apple CEO, so a huge shout out to him. His name is John Apple, and he's taking over for Tim Apple. And, oh, the coming of the week, let's see. I've got it right here. It's a bit of a throwback, a bit of a classic. So sing along if you know it. It's from B-Boy Noodles. Just shit my pants.

Just shit my pants. Okay, everybody. We will see you in the bonus. For Ben being at the coolest place in L.A. Oh, man, brother. We'll see you there, folks. Ben and Emielessor.com. Coming up on this week's episode of ben and amel show.com.

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it's not practical. The whole fun thing, all of it's disgusting. Binge drinking is disgusting, but you're young and dumb and you're having a little fun. Going out hands like, it's good to see you. Good to see you again. But I don't do the again. I just go, it's good to see you. that was Benjamin Broccoli from the broccoli family that could be anything Not to be confused with Bernie Brocolini It's good to meet you No, it's good to see you

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It's Ronnie Restaurant. My God, Ronnie's here. He's the main guy. He walks in, he's wearing a tablecloth.