The Ben and Emil Show - BAES 155: Is AI Right Wing Coded? (RIP Emil)

Episode Date: June 4, 2026

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You ever take you in one of those things, for example, we can go around this room and say, Cold Brew. Left wing. Exactly. Ooh, ooh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like, you can, it's literally Apple products. Apple products?

Left wing as hell, okay. See, Doug, it's, but we should feel some guilt that we should make people feel bad when they are predators, all the way down to the people who call old people and say, like, just give us your social security. One of the most effective insubes. simple tools to fight against is to have a code word.

Yes. That only you and grandma know. Right, right. But it would be grandma, my code word is grandma, please help give me money. It's like, he's using the code word. I need $5,000. And then I would just use it all the time. Welcome back, everybody.

We got some breaking, we're not breaking because this isn't live or anything. We have some big news. Emil died. He died to death, in fact. he died choking to death on a tennis ball. He's a big tennis guy and he wanted to see what it tasted like and met his demise that way. But I couldn't think of it. He died doing what he loved playing tennis.

And I would have dressed a little more formally had I known. It was like a sad situation. I didn't dress. I mean, look at me. Doug, you got to lay down. And we have already found a replacement. So we've got him here in studio. John Gabris, everybody.

Hey, thanks for having me. Thank you for being here. Thank you for coming on such short notice. I am feasting on tennis balls tonight, and now I'm a little nervous. Don't be nervous. I wasn't considering the fact that it could kill you. Don't put off more than you can chew, as they say. Quite literally.

My dad used to say. And it was like something he was whispering as he choked on that steak in this final meal. What, why don't you, for our audience who might not be familiar with you, why don't you brag about some of your accolades? I'm John Gabris. I've benched 325 in competition at the York powerlifting meeting, New York, Pennsylvania. I am a longtime podcaster. I've done more. I'm one of those few multiple podcasts. I'm Polly podcasting. And I am a comedian, writer, actor, all of that. But what I think I need to get across to your crowd is I know, absolutely nothing about stock like I will say stocks zero but even like money

I'm like 8% through the level of learning about my I know this is like something I've like maybe subconsciously avoided my entire life growing up poor and like then you know getting money and still not wanting to be like a money person so yeah I I'm

as much as I'm excited to you know honor Emil's like green fuzzy death I am also excited to be here on a very self-centered way and learn something. Yeah. Well, hopefully you'll learn something, I guess. And for those of you who are unfamiliar with our little show, the Ben and Emile show, we formerly recalled Trillionaire Mindset, and then we were called Pay Pigs.

But that was a disaster for search engine optimization. Okay. So you obviously know what a pay pig is. Yes, I'm very familiar with a PAYPIG. A shocking amount of people did not know what a pay pig is, number one. So they were like, what's the bit? What's the joke? We had a falling out with the previous studio that owned the name Trillioner Mindset,

just as background there. So we had to change the name, went out on our own. And, yeah, all the porn bots and stuff would be in everybody, all of our fans' DMs being like, I'm a great big slut. And I would love it if you bought me a PlayStation. And it was like, who are these fucking people, man? And we also were tired of explaining the... So you switched your...

Then you were, the show is shortly called Nigerian princes. Nigerian princes. Two Nigerian princes. Two Nigerian princes. Two Nigerian princes. A kind of like African cover of the spin doctor's song. Because we love doing Nigerian accents. I love doing.

And then that show got canceled because of the obvious accent stuff work. People don't like that. I do, I have been known on this show to, I'd like to do impressions. Okay. And part of that will be if someone has an accent, I'm going to do the accent. Yeah, you got to. I'm not doing it in a malicious way. Well, here's the thing, if you're not doing a Nigerian accent, but you're doing the accent of an, of, you're doing the voice of a specific person.

Yeah. I feel like that's illegal. Like if I'm doing Mr. T, I don't think I'm doing a black accent. If I'm doing Idris Elba. But like at the same. Or Obama. Yeah. Or Obama.

Obama's like one of the few you're like allowed to do. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But. Because I like wear the Obama makeup and stuff. That seems fine. It's the color of his skin. It's darker than yours.

It's a different hue. And then so we changed it to the Ben and Emile show, which is what we are now. And we are essentially a weekly, we were originally just about the stock market where people could go to get news about the stock market so that they could stay so that they could stay updated with what's going on and serve it to them in a palatable, entertaining way. And we still do that. But we sometimes talk about stuff outside of the market. But this week we are going to be discussing whether or not artificial intelligence in the ongoing culture wars is now very quickly becoming, as the youth would say, right wing coded. Yes, yes. Because it is, and I've got plenty of examples here to make the case for why that is.

But there's also still some, I mean, there is still progressives and left wing and Democrats using it but just in a different way. and there's a lot of pushback toward data centers and whatnot, obviously. But yeah, I guess that's probably a good place to start. Like, where does your experience with AI start and stop? I am one of those people who make a conscious effort not to use it whatsoever. So whatsoever. Yeah, I try to avoid it constantly. I have it off on all of the apps that have it kind of by default.

Sure. I switch to duck, duck, go instead of Google for that's reason. I have used some AI stuff in the past like a voice reader for like script auditions and stuff like that but I've never done generative AI and it's just I'm not saying what I'm doing is the right choice I this is just my tiny

I'm also like leaning into like a Luddite future for myself where I'm like I have too much technology already like I have more than I need and it's actually affecting me negatively. So that when new technologies come about, if I don't actively see how he can improve my life, even if I can make money off of it,

that's not enough for me anymore. Because I think that's sort of an undoing of, hey, who cares? We're all making money using AI. It's like, oh, okay, that's a good justification. Let's sell Oxy as well. We all made a lot of money off. Oxy does rock, though.

Yeah. If you use it, well, just like AI, you know, you can make. your family look like Studio Ghibli, or you can make your family hate you for fucking selling all the appliances. Yeah. I'm glad you brought up the money-making thing because that's one of the that's one of the reasons I file it under becoming right-wing is. Weirdly enough, making money is like right-wing coded. Well, it's the pro tech bro kind of hustle's culture of like you should be absolutely maximizing your time. Don't be hanging out with your friends. You've got to be

grinding and all this shit. CEO minds. Like everyone wants to be a CEO and an entrepreneur and stuff like that. And sort of like, you know, no consideration towards art. Obviously.

But like not that, not that one needs to consider that. But it's just kind of like the pursuit of money at all costs. Yeah. It's the grinding thing. Yeah, go ahead. I'm just to say,

I have like, I think that's a current issue that's affecting society big time is this get your bag culture. that we're super supportive of people selling out. Like I remember I'm old enough. I'm in my mid-40s. I remember when selling out was frowned upon.

I remember when you'd go like, I can't believe they're using that band's song in this commercial. I can't believe so. And now there is no such thing as selling out. Only like weird old heads, like guys who are like vinyl. You know, like we're the ones who still think people say.

To the point where people are like, fuck yeah, John Hamm, Ham, do an H&R block commercial, make that money. Do you know how much it pays to do for so and so to sell Clash of Kings mobile games? You know what I mean? And it's like, I don't care how much they, that's not like points to me. But I think a lot of people look at money as points now. And like there's something powerful about Rob Pattinson who has not done TV or commercials

or anything, you know, makes you like miss people like that. Yeah, I, I'm not going to name any names, but I've certainly seen. mega A-list actors and actresses doing stuff for, yeah, like John Hamm doing fucking H&R Block. You know, I can't, I'm like, why are they doing, don't they have enough money to where they don't have to do that? But then I also remind myself that some of these people likely have sprawling vast estates, multiple homes. They've got assistance to pay.

They've got tax people to be. House support, child support, families, multiple houses, like crazy poor nephews and want to to college. I totally get all of that. And if it's an easy one day thing where you get a payday, by the way, if you just ignore him, he will Do I want to ignore this cutie pie? You can. I don't mind. I don't mind

the tension. I love attention. I love attention. I do also have like a toxic trait that I believe all animals actually like me. I'm the same way. So I was very surprised when I was meant to be apartment sitting but also watching this person's cat in New York City a couple weeks ago. I was

attacked by the cat. in a way where I was like, this is unsustainable, I can't stay here. And I had to get a hotel. I don't know what happened to the cat. I turned on the heater and I closed all the windows and I left. I didn't do that. The cat's fine.

I took a huge shit in the litter box and bounced. Yeah. I wanted to assert myself. God, that fuck. It was a sweet cat, but just didn't. I'm a giant man showing up in its territory all of a sudden unannounced. I totally get it. I totally get it.

And this, this, I also understand we currently live in a world, slash society where being broke or being poor is a death sentence where it's like it's your like it's hold on by your nails if you're so I get why we root for people to have these fucking paydays and why we why we all think it's okay don't tax billionaires because we'll be one someday you know what I mean like that we were sold this lie but it's also almost the only way to survive you know what I mean like I'm like always talking to my mom I'm like you don't have to play play lotto. Like you have like your retirement. You have a house. Like your kids all make enough money that you don't like no one's underwater. Like why do you still play lotto? Why do you know? And she's like, it would just be a dream to win. I'm like you're 70. Like what's going to happen that money? You go you go on cruises like every month as a retiree with a decent portfolio. You don't need to do all this. She wants to give it to you guys. Totally. And this is the desire of a mother to give and provide never ends. No. This is actually a, you know,

not to be old man podcast here, but this is like a big family talk we're having right now is I found this book called Die with Nothing. I wish I could pull the author's name off the dome. I've heard of this. It's really interesting. It's about like, so we've like convinced my mom that my brother's a nurse,

one's a principal. I'm a podcaster, you know, classic Lego Man jobs. But we've convinced my mom that it's like, here you go, Bill Perkins, die with zero,

getting all you can from your money and your life. find that, I found it to be a very interesting, like, theory in like, and like, because I had been saying to my mom, like, if retire already, she's like, well, I just want to make sure you guys have enough. And I'm like, what if you give us $40,000 each after you die as opposed to, you know, 28? Like, that's not going to change our lives. We do okay. We don't expect an inheritance from you someday. You have a house that you can sell. And we've got her to the point where she treats us all to a family vacation every year. nice. We go to Montauk, which was something we did growing up. We go every summer with my nephews, our everyone's partners and shit like that. And my mom's like, it's so expensive. I'm like, this is your, this is our

inheritance. Wouldn't you rather be here for our inheritance? That's really sweet. And it's been a very cool journey. It's been very like, it's one of the more grown up conversations I've had with my mom in my entire life. And so it was like this really interesting take. And then it's like,

that's why, that's why, I'm now kind of like anti-horting money. I'm anti, like, you know what I mean? Like a lot of stuff drives me a little crazy about our money, our money obsessed slash like broke fearing society that we've built for ourselves. By the way, subscribe it, Beninamil Show.com where you get bonus content and, uh... Well, that's the money. That's what you should be spending your money on.

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No, that's Patreon as well. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, my mom is doing the same thing. Cool. Unprovoked. She just was like, I want to make things as easy for you kids as possible. So she's already like decluttered her entire life.

And she wants to like give us all. She wants to do the same thing with a vacation. Like fly us once a year to whatever location. And buddy, you are just on one today. And I'm all for whatever she wants to do. It's her fucking money. But I don't know how you would time it to be like, okay, I'm down to my last, you know, $150,000. I do think there'll come a time in my mom's life where flying on vacation becomes difficult and that'll probably be like.

Like we always just say, my mom still owns our childhood home. And it's like when you sell that, that'll be our inheritance if you have zero. And if my mom gets herself down to zero, I highly doubt. She'll do that. Hey, gang, we got to take a quick break to talk a little bit about your hair. You know, thinning hair really sucks. And I don't really have that problem, but some of you might out there. And when you're thinning starts, it's not just your hair that takes a hit.

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and I don't mean that as a joke, but it is like this constant anxiety of, oh my God, I'm never going to have enough. I'm always going to be one step away from the poverty line. And I got to do... I'm a goy,

but I grew up on Long Island and I did comedy for 20... I'm doing comedy for 20-something years, so I know a lot of Jewish people. Yeah. I find that it's... My friend Adam Pally would say, it's because you never know

when we're going to have to leave. Oh, yeah. That's why Jewish people love... He says, this is why Jewish people love big meals and, like, lots of... of food at events because you never know when you're going to have to leave and march a thousand miles through a desert to escape fucking problems. And it makes sense that that would be passed down

genetically because the ones who've survived are the ones who thousands of years are the ones who had the wherewithal to dodge the bullets. Generational trauma. Yeah, man. But so I'm always, I've always got the number in my mind of like once I reach that threshold, I will be okay. and I'll be able to provide for my family should they need it. So I've always got that driving me. Interesting. Fortunately, I've never had that itch to do the get rich crypto.

That was the thing that I've got here in my notes is that this AI being adjacent to the, it is adjacent to the get rich crypto style thing. I feel like a lot of the crypto guys because crypto's mostly dead. I don't know if you've noticed, but it's fucking dead.

I'm hearing so much. It does feel like people just went from like NFTs to crypto to AI. And I know they're not like all exactly downstream from each other, but the exception of it's a predatory way to make money off of people who are rolling the dice. Yeah. And there's something about in as much as crypto, it just felt like everybody's getting hilariously rich except for you. Right. And it felt like a lot of the – it's not that it was directed at,

people on the left or Democrats or progressives, but it definitely felt like because the majority of Democratic-leaning people don't engage with that type of thing. It just felt like a, God, the worst people online are, of course, these ones who lack the moral compass to stop themselves from engaging in this type of behavior. Yeah, like all this meme coin shit where it's just like, like, I'm on, the way you just, uh, when you plugged your own podcast and the way I feel when I ask people to join my Patreon is I feel awful. Yeah. But I'm saying if you give me $5 a month, I'll give you four episodes where we break down.

I will give you something. Yeah. And that still makes me feel guilty that people have to pay because that we've gotten to this point in a system where we have to, it's a delight to not have to run money through someone else's hands in between the two of us. So you know that you're $5, like 90% of it's going to me. What a treat. but I feel such immense guilt asking for people.

These people are asking thousands of people to throw in five bucks or more and for a dice roll at, I know I'm going to get rich, but I'm at, I feel guilty and I'm providing goods and services. Yeah. And there's no, these people are doing this without the promise of goods and services. I even remember for a long time when people would talk about Bitcoin. Now, see, I told you, I didn't know anything about this stuff, but I'm super opinionated.

Yeah, for sure. level to be on a podcast. I don't know shit about it, but I've got a lot to say. But the attitude around that I can really speak to, and I remember Bitcoin for a while, they were bragging about the blockchain. It's actually the technology is actually good.

And then it's like, what? I've never heard anyone else. We've never used the blockchain. No other app or thing I'm involved in is like, look, it's not Bitcoin, but we are on the blockchain. And it's like, I've never heard from that again. So it did feel like another lie to say, and so that's, I can't help

but think that with Claude and all his fucking friends. Yeah. That it does feel like a group of people who can, like, sway. A group of people on top of your, above the CEO podcaster guys and grindset mindset guys is a group of like even more nefarious people who are using those vassals to get everyone who's down here in the masses to purchase this stuff. Yeah. And it's like all these guys are getting rich on their podcast and CEO lifestyle and flip. and all that shit. But above them are like monsters

who are getting like really, really rich and playing in that world. Yeah. And I've yet to see, I mean, one of the things, you know, all these guys on my feeds are talking about how they're deploying AI agents and they're, it's dramatically,

dramatically reduce the amount of hours they've got to do coding. So it's like, oh my God, I'm doing so much stuff. And I'm out here going, okay, show me something. where is the new app that was created by AI or coded with AI? But I think I might, I try to be as fair and objective as possible. And I'm like, okay, maybe it's just existing things that are being supplemented in a way that I don't understand because I'm not, I don't possess the technical prowess or savvy to, um, to understand or engage with it. Maybe it's something like that.

But for the most part, all I see is just AI. I mean, it mostly is coming from, uh, politics. like AI slop from the White House. Yeah. And so you're talking about just like the graphic use of AI, which is like, but there's also this sort of like get on board. There's no other choice kind of thing coming from the, from the powers that be here. And it's just like, yeah, no, data centers are the future.

And it's like, wait, we have to do like 25 years of research to put like, to extend a train line, like one stop. But we could go like, hey, we're going to build. warehouse is full of fucking water drinkers and you guys just have to get on fucking bored. This is the future. And it's like, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. What's happening? Like, we're done improving, like, transit and flights and we're done with solar. We're done. The answer is AI. And like you're saying, I've yet to, the most recent

thing I heard was a friend of mine who's also a CPA was like, the guys in the office will never go back from using AI for like these little things that we use it for now. And I was like, okay, that sounds kind of reasonable. It's like Excel was probably people were like, the machines got bugs or whatever, you know, like, and so it feels, but I've not seen, and also the thing that drives me the most crazy is these people who are like,

I can code in one tenth of the time. What are you doing with the other nine-tenths of your time? Yeah. More coding. It's like, get a fucking life, people. All right, cool. Go volunteer. Go pick up trash at the beach.

Go take your family on vacation. Yeah. Like, that's what I would do if my workload was one-tenth out of nowhere. You know, like, I would just fill the other nine-tenths with recreation and joy and community building. I don't know what I would do at the time. I would probably get better sleep, get more sleep.

Well, that is taking care of yourself. That is like, that is the answer, you know what I mean? I need to take better care of myself, especially as I'm fucking getting up there. I got high cholesterol. Dog, you are like two to three years away from like doctor conversations are... Like, you have to take them seriously? You have to like... I am fully taking them seriously currently.

Good, good, good. Yeah. Because, like, this is the age where you can't, like, you start to, like, look further down. Like, in my 30... I've been obese my whole life. In, like, my 30s, I'm like, it's really not a big deal. It's really not a big deal. And then I had, like, in a doctor's appointment a few years ago where he, like, looked

me in the eye and was like, I can tell you right now, you're most likely cause of death is heart, like, heart disease related. And I was like, now? I'm 40... I'm 41 when I'm having this conversation. He's like, yeah. Yeah. And I was like, oh.

And then he's like, also if you get your cardiovascular system in shape and lose some weight, because I was dealing with some ED at the time. And he was like, it'll help with your erections as well. And I was like, Doc, I'm on board. Let's do Zepbound. All right. I'm going to get a personal trainer. And he's like, I just told you a minute ago you die. You'll have slightly better boners. And I'm like, I'm ready to change, Doc. Let's go. You, I like you. And I'll tell you why. Because I thought that I was the only type of person to. to share such personal details. I mean, people out there know me well I talk about when I learned to wipe my own ass, things of that nature. No, I was, I was in my 20s and my brother, I mooned my brother and he was just like, what's going on with your ass? And I didn't, sorry, for the uninitiated.

That includes me, by the way. It was then that I learned that you are not supposed to stand up. up and wipe your butt. Oh, no. It creates a bit of an inkblot test situation. Not only that, but I wasn't washing it as well. In the shower, because I was like, why would I wash my ass? That's where poop is.

I don't want to get poop on my hands. I just want to get it in my underwear. And that's when I learned that you wipe sitting down. And yeah, you actually just got a break. And now I've very clean. I'm very, very clean. But anyway. Yeah, yeah.

So. Oh, and by the way, I'm super hard all the time now. Good for you. right now. Yeah. Sorry. As you should go, it's okay. He doesn't have any balls anymore, poor guy. Yeah, and we've got, so I've got to hear in my notes that it's, it's a little weird because if you ask certain people on the right, whether or not, if you had to ask them to classify AI as being left or right wing, and I know it's annoying because I'm participating in the very thing that I despise, which is the culture wars, but it's, it's so wild that we can't,

we can't extricate ourselves from it. It's like everything, maybe I'm wrong. I mean, I don't know if you agree with me. I kind of feel the same way that like you can, like, for example, we can go around this room and say cold brew. Left wing. Exactly. Ooh, ooh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Like you can, it's literally Apple products.

Apple products? Left wing as hell. Okay. See, Doug, it's, now, the only thing I think in this room that would be a coin flip as to what it's coated. and I'm I think it actually is maybe right wing coded is podcasting the the form, the medium. Ooh, yeah. Because yeah, yeah, because it is most associated with a Joe Rogan type.

Yes. And like, and the- Who we love on this show. And comedians in Manosphere, which somehow right now, comedy feels. Comedy is a coin toss because I feel like, this is anecdotal from me. I feel like comedy in the last 10 years,

has gotten, maybe 20 years, has gotten gayer than it ever was before. Now, gay, left wing-coded. Yeah, yeah. But comedy feels like where the right wing wants to have a war, too. Yes. Like, they're coming for it in some capacity.

They're trying. They're trying. What was that famous tweet? The right is learning how to be funny and it's making the left nervous or something like. And it was something, it was like in relation to like the weirdest meme. Oh, yeah.

But go on. But I'm just saying like, I agree with you that everything that's introduced into society for at least the rest of our lifetimes will be filed into, well, you'll have to choose a side forever. It's like a game of, it's like Plinko? Yeah. Is it Plinko where the balls get, yeah.

And it's like, okay, we got this new thing. Whoa, what's it going to be? Is it going to get filed under this? And it's kind of, it's whoever is toward the top of the cultural funnel on either side that makes decisive moves determines where it gets filed and we're on at least the image and video generation side of AI

because there's a lot of elements to the use of artificial intelligence the right wing is overwhelmingly using it because people on the left are arguing from a place of it's taking people's jobs, why not just hire a graphic designer for things like that

and you've got it with, I mean I've got so many examples. Did you see the Greg Abbott dunk photo? Yes, over Hocchel in their fucking... I mean, I thought this was real at first. I couldn't believe it. I was like, what, did they use a ramp or a trampoline?

You got that. You've got Spencer Pratt here in Los Angeles all over L.A. Various billboards. He put out this the Joker video. Great Batman video. I mean, we don't need to play the whole thing.

But there's so many different... Man, this is like truly disheartening. The Spencer Pratt thing was a real disheartening, like fucking like gravel in my shoe kind of situation that I'm like this is fucking embarrassing. It is, I will say just, it is remarkable how far this technology has come just objectively. I mean, we all remember the Will Smith eating spaghetti. Spaghetti video.

And in just three years, it's, it's unbelievable. This is pretty nuts. It is very nuts. And so I feel like they're, oh God, Joe Rogan's. Joe Rogan is Commissioner Gordon. Oh, Jesus God. I wish like DC Comics, like everyone would just do... Why is Hugh Jackman?

Who is he supposed to be? I don't know. Just a gay Hollywood guy, so he's a villain. Yeah. Or sorry, he's not even gay, but gay-coded. Not to sound like the Jenzy. Left-wing-coded for sure. Oh, for sure.

Finally making Wolvie. Now, this is just like... This is what I understand. Here's, I'm, I'm hipfiring here. I'm not fully plugged in on all this stuff. But does the right wing like this or do they like that other people hate it? Hey, everybody. We got to take another quick break to talk about Shopify.

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And I do think the left wing does it too, where you relish in something that the other side hates. Sure. And it feels like... That's a great question. They watch this and go like sick, or do they go like, this is going to make libs freak out?

I would file it under 90% they legitimately think it's awesome. Yeah. And or maybe less, maybe 70, 30 that they're like, this is fucking awesome and epic, especially the Trump. We got a cat turd, great job here. Oh, fucking God, dude. And the idea that like all these people are making money off of all these posts and replies on Twitter is another issue.

Although I will say that new guy, Nikita Beer or whatever, he seems to be, do you know about this guy? No. He, Elon Musk hired him like a year ago to clean up Twitter however it needs to be cleaned up. And he has rapidly, recently been demonetizing a lot of these

blue check mark. Some of them are like that, you know Ian Miles Chong? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Totally fucking evaporated his income sort. because they're cracking down on people who content farm and steal and whatever. Yeah, especially if they live overseas and make money off American politics. Yes. That was a really fun moment. I remember that on. I'm pretty online. I'm pretty, I'm still on X. I see, I see you out there. I see you in them streets. And I, it was really, it really made me happy when all those crazy like, uh, loyal patriot maga. It's like Indonesia. When that got revealed where everybody was I was like, hell yeah.

Yeah. Take these fucking pricks. I keep falling victim still to, um, because you know, I, well, you don't know me, but, uh, I have a sickness in me. I, I will respond. I will respond. And I've changed a lot in the last year. I've, I've definitely, um, tempered myself and, uh, especially when a friend of mine was

like, you know, most of these things are probably bots. Yes. That is very helpful to remember. I'm like, okay, I do not need to take the time to respond to an account that has 90 followers or even thousands for that matter. You responding to it brings it into anyone who follows you's algorithm and shit like that. It's, that's fun. The whole most of it is bots. Yeah.

This is what's really terrifying. I'm kind of obsessed with the dead internet theory. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Where it's like, very valid. It's very valid. And it's like bots are responding to bots, angering. people slash other bots

and it's just like going back and forth and you're like why does so many people have such a strong opinion on this? And I'm like oh because they are monetarily incentivized and because we are a society like I said earlier that being broke means death and having money is the only way to survive and have power

and this. People are going to do the worst things. I'm a big proponent of I think we need to bring back shame. Like I understand when I say like No, people shouldn't feel shame. I mean that more about like your loves and your interests. And if you are into being, oh, sorry, if you're like to dress like a furry or do this thing,

remove shame from that and treat yourself. But we should feel some guilt that we should make people feel bad when they are predators. And predators from, you know, whatever, the Epstein class all the way down to the people who call old people and say, like just give us your social security you know what I mean like there should be shame in that we should like those people should be like if I was a politician I would like go bottoms up you know broken window

theory but instead of you know arresting minorities for having a blunt on them I would just go all the way down to the bottom and who's doing the most basic ass fucking scams and knock them down and keep going up because like I feel like everywhere you go someone is out to get you in a way

and online has just brought all that people out to get you, to get one over on you, has brought it into your pocket, into your home, into your kids' iPad in bed and stuff like that. I mean, AI is a tool that these scammers

are absolutely already using with the voice faking, duping, calling. That's why I'm sure you've heard that one of the most effective and simple tools to fight against is to have a code word.

Yes. That only you and grandma know. Right, right. My code word, well, I can't do this joke. All my grandparents are dead. but it would be grandma, my code word is grandma, please help give me money.

It's like, oh, he's using the code word. I need $5,000. And then I would just use it all the time. But yeah, it is an incredibly, it is incredibly right wing coded to just be, fuck you, I'm going to get mine. Fuck you, I'm going to get my bag. And that was the ethos in crypto with the constant rug. pulling and making shit coins out of nowhere and just constant pumping of things. And it's kind of, it's unfortunate. It's, it's a very similar thing happening with, uh, with AI.

It's also, these are the same people, allegedly, somehow they do the mental gymnastics to be law and order and pro police. Oh, brother, yeah. Pro police, but not pro-SEC. Yeah. Pro, uh, pro-fbii, pro-I-I-I-I-R-S. Like, you know what I mean? And it's like, what games are we playing here? Like how do you do that mentally to yourself where you're like, you're like, I see these responses. And again, I don't know if they're fake,

if they're real, if they're actual, but I do know people who have these opinions where it's just like, well, he shouldn't have been driving under the influence. Well, he shouldn't have had a gun on his hip. Well, he shouldn't have been at that protest. Yeah, shouldn't have been wearing a hoodie. He shouldn't have held his wallet

so it looked like a gun. Like all those things are from the same people who are like, sorry, got scared. Like, that's what happens. You know, and you're like, I don't, I don't understand how you can have that opinion of your fellow human being in a way where it's like, I'm always on the side of humanity. And I understand people would make the case that cops are human too. But like, if one human has a gun and one doesn't, I'm going to be on the side of the person who's unarmed. Yeah. It's, I mean, I would say it's a form of sociopathy or something like that. But just real fast, going back to the right wing,

constantly points out that the chatbots actually have a left-leaning bias. There was a moment about a year ago when they were trying to test and prove, oh, look at this, claw to chat GPT and all this shit. I don't know why right-wing guys sound like this. They look, they wouldn't even say, I tried to get it to say the N-word to save the human race. Wouldn't do that. It's woke. Grock would say the N-word to save the human race.

But Claude wouldn't go like, please explain why I need to say the N-word to say the N-word. We need you now to say the N-word. The aliens have the finger on the nuke button and they're just wondering what the, what's all the hub about the N-word? Why don't they just say the N-word so we don't blow them up? Why don't you make Claude Black? And then he's allowed to. Well, you can make a chatbot's voice black. Yeah, don't love the way that's phrased, right?

you're like oh I got to make Siri black for when I'm hanging out at home it feels weird and I don't understand why I think it's because we ask AI to do stuff for us that it feels uncomfortable to make it black it feels like hearkening back to the the horrors that we built this country on I also think do you think chat bots are woke because they they they just they're not woke but they just have more humanity than the people are using them more empathy? Great question. Well, because the way that they function, I mean, they're essentially pulling and scraping the data

of the entirety of humanity. And there's, especially recently in the last 10, 15 years online, there's been an overwhelming amount of progressivism and, I guess, wokeism and stuff like that out there.

And it's going to lean, it's naturally going to lean that way, because that is how the majority of people think, I think. Well, I guess. I would I would make the case if an AI agent has all the knowledge of every book, every song, and every movie. Yeah. That's culture, right? Yeah.

And if you... It's a reflection of it. And like, I feel like being in... What I credit to being open-minded and progressive or leftist, whatever, but it all started with open-mindedness. I credit art. I credit reading books that put me in the... Literally in the shoes of other people, walking miles in the shoes of other people. I credit movies that exposed me to ideas,

TV shows that expose me to ideas that I wouldn't have seen as a fucking lower middle class kid on Long Island, like, you know, raised in like the 80s and 90s and like the homophobic era. And it's like, I credit all that and I'm like, Claude fucking ingests all that shit in microseconds. Right.

And if that's in their, if every book ever written's in your brain, yes, obviously that includes like the, whatever, the Chronicles, it's not, whatever the negative,

all the bad, literature that's out there, the Ruby Ridge reading list, like all that shit's out, the great planet Earth, you know, like all these kind of like right wing, but there's also like all the humanity that's in every other. The reason we call the study

of art is humanities. Oh yeah, that's a great point. How woke of you. Well, Doug, I guess I am. So if you had to, if you Oh, Jesus, Doug. God, Doug live. She's always got to get in my lap. Such a cuddle lumpkin.

This is V cute, by the way, yeah. So if you had to, do you think that AI is right-wing-coded? I believe it is. In its current form? I think it's use, I think its use currently in society feels like just a tool in which to extract capital from deeper, worse, harsher world, like making things worse to just extract more money. I believe that in my mind is right wing coded. It is like the profit at all costs. Like, you know.

And it feels like increasingly the more, especially coming from the top down, the more the White House uses AI generated garbage memes and stuff to further promote their shitty agenda, the more it just, the Plinko ball goes further and further definitively into the right. And this oppositional ideology that we have will make the left be like, well, if he's making himself the Pope and healing people, I don't want to fucking use that. Yes.

And I will vote for a president who says, I'm not going to use AI. Yeah. I'm not going to curse. Like, I know it's stupid, but it feels like we used to have like, like, decorum. A decorum, a separation from politicians and people in a way where you're like, it looks like someone I could have a beer with.

Now everyone that looks like someone I could have a beer with, I wouldn't want to spend a minute around. Everyone's so angry and curses and uses insane language that if you were worked at a fucking Burger King and talked like that, you could get fired. But you can't get fired from being like in charge of thousands and thousands of constituents

by using disgusting language online. Like that's where there's like printable evidence. And I understand you can't, we can't fucking arrest. rest someone for bad language when like our president is a nearly confirmed rapist. You know what I mean? It's like there's a lot of shit going on out there. But it does feel a little bit like we can show that we don't have to fucking.

I'm sorry. I'm just thinking of the every time I think about politics, I see the White House imagery lately with like the fucking roller coaster UFC cage thing and the trashed fucking bunker for the trumping bunker. like all this shit that's happening out there. And the drone, the drone... The drone launch pad? Yeah. Yeah, goddamn.

I agree with you that it is increasingly right wing coded. I think that we are going to get separate little sub... Sub use case, you know, in as much as you can have AI used for research and science, and then you've got it in the arts and stuff for video and... image generation. My hope is that at least the more intellectual-leaning, useful, actual, useful, helpful to humanity aspects of AI will, I mean, probably be used by the institutions and people on the left. My fear is that if there is an outright abandonment of it on the left, it's like an insane advantage. It will be like the fucking Neanderthals.

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Avocado green mattress.com slash bays. A fun game, a fully different episode idea of probably a different podcast would be going back and just looking at all. huge advances in technology and what that did politically. Because I do think like the left gets a lot of use out of the internet. And like there's a lot of positives from the internet. Obama's being elected. Right. Obama having been elected was yeah.

And there's a lot of positives come from the internet. Academic journals online, you know, the communities who find each other, people who no longer feel alone because of this, albeit maybe not the perfect connection. but then the internet is also a place where 4chan 8-chan 8-chan Gamergate solidifying around awful belief systems

the same group of people when furries find each other to do cuddle puddles dressed as foxes and blue wolves so do fucking like the 537 whatever fucking white supremacists like anarchist like accelerationsist

yeah like the the uh the uh the uh Patriot Front, all that. That all exists on the internet too. And you want to say like, oh, with AI,

can we use it to find ways to filter water? Like, I don't even fully know. I'm showing my ass, my shit-filled ass. If I say... What's going on with your ass, dude? Brother. It's what my brother said. He's like, what's going on with that?

That's really funny. And I was like, what do you mean? While we're on a similar topic, one time my brother pantsed me in front of my mom. And I fully, everything was out. Then my mom came and took me aside later and said, told me, you have to make sure you clean your area well. Your penis? My penis and like pubis. And I was like, what are you talking about? She's like, your penis was so dirty that your mom? Oh. I was like, I said to her, I'm like,

in my, she's like, yeah, I looked dirty. I was like, mom, I think you saw pubic hair. Oh, yeah, yeah. And she was like, all turned beat red. And my mom, a registered nurse in RN did not assume. her 13 to 14 year old son would have people. And then I, so then I, and of course, I'm a rude little fucker. And I'm like, wait, mom, you thought I had visible dirt on my, like, how would I get that? Yeah. How would I have dirt that's visible? I don't know.

You're rolling around in the dirt. Yeah, my fucking, like, beaver holes outside. Yeah. I don't know. You scratch yourself. I got dirt on your fingers. I fucked a spider hole at the sump. And now I have dust all over my dick.

It's like such a crazy. But, all right. So going all the way back to showing my shit covered ass here. Yeah. I don't know what the practical applications of AI, but if it can make research faster, can we use it for medicine? Can we use it to make things that are important to us cheaper? Yes.

But of course, it's only going to be used for like drone targeting systems, surveillance, extraction of capital, building. The fact that we are told we need these fucking, what are the, server things called the data centers. The fact that we're told we need data centers, but we have AI now. AI is here without all these data

centers. We need data centers. Who's making money off of data centers being built? And it's not the people who live in the town that it's happening. Now, I'll hear from my sort of more libertarian friends, AOC's holding up a muddy glass of water.

That doesn't happen from data centers. It's like, Okay. Maybe that's not a direct correlation. But do you think data centers are value added to the land around them? No. Maybe AI will prove that we did need a few data centers because AI is able to do blank, blank and blank or whatever. But in the interim, it feels like the negative side effect of these. The fact that we're just in a rush that all the fucking regulations are off on this. Because we've got to be China, dude. Otherwise, we're all going to go to China. We're all going to be speaking Chinese.

I got to say if anyone who's hate watching this for whatever reason, bruh, China won. We're not catching up to China. Well, and they're already, they're able to just scrape and do it all at a fraction of the cost. Dog, they have the crazy surveillance state and AI and all that, but they also have amazing public transit and like a great minimum. Really, really nice electric cars. Yes, and really nice.

And like, they're giving the fucking. people, the panacea that they need to deal with like I'm up in arms because I got a fucking people who drive you know no parking no parking until 7 p.m. It's 6.41

you're like I'm going to park there keep an eye on it and once in 19 minutes when 7 p.m. hits I know I'm smooth sailing in a legal spot. Yeah. I got a fucking parking ticket from a camera. Oh.

That feels wrong. Yeah. That feels so fucking wrong. That feels like negative surveillance. Like I park my car on the street and I go, I hope no one breaks into it. Yeah. But the camera can't stop that. That's fucking us.

But they can give me a $300 ticket. What part of town was this? This was like... Sounds like Hollywood. It was on, yeah, it was on LaBreya on like in front of that sugarfish down there at like South Second. Oh, fuck. I was going to grab D.

dinner with a friend. And the only reason I didn't go to bat fighting the ticket is because I got out of my car and smoked a joint right next to it. So I just didn't want to get into like a situation. But I was within, I was eyeballing that car for its legal, for the next 20 legal minutes, illegal minutes. And I'm like, that feels wrong that you can get it. It's not, I'm not rolling through a red light. I'm not speeding. It feels so wrong. You want to talk about wrong in the use of AI. I got something that's going to knock your socks off. Let's go. I'm so tired of having these fucking socks on. Yeah. Do you, are you wearing socks? I am wearing socks. I'm not normally a sock guy. Yeah. But I came from the gym. I'm a flip flop boy.

Ooh. Well, I just, just when I'm going, when I don't care, if I'm going out, I'm not wearing these goddamn things. If I have to walk a bunch, trust me, I'm a flip flop guy as well. Good. I'm a beach bum. Good. But if I have to walk a bunch, flip flops are a little dangerous in my old age for like knee and ankle problems. Sure. Yeah. I'm gonna get my barefoot,

wide toe box, zero drop shoes going for myself. Yeah. Jesus Christ. That's the one fucking tech I latched on to like eight years

ago and I'm never giving up. Did it work? Yes, it fixed my knee problems and I fixed my lower back issues. Are you a knees over toes guy? That guy? I do like his stuff,

but I don't fully ascribe to all of his stuff. But just a little bit. Little right wing coated. Yes, a little right. Well, fitness is right wing coated.

Fitness is right wing. Lifting weights. I do a lot of the stuff that, you know, crosses back. Look, these are, uh, this brand zero barefoot, zero bottom. With an X. Yeah. X, but like there's nothing going on there. See?

Wow. There's not a plug. This is just me saying, I like the no bottoms. And you think for formerly a 320 pound guy, currently a 280 pound guy, that could be a bit of an issue. You wear 280 well, dude. Thank you. You got them stocky legs.

Yes, dog. I'm jealous. I'm a big boy. You know, I can't fucking. Well, you're, you're, you got the fucking. an ectomorph shit going on. It's hard to put a little meat on those bones. For me. Yeah. Long levers.

Chinese drop shippers using AI. Let's pull up that clip, please. I came across this and it blew my mind. Let's turn on the sound here. This is one of those at first blush, it's like, oh man, it's one of these heart-wrenching stories. You got a kid with Down syndrome. He's

selling resin lamps. Yeah, yeah. Let's watch this. There he is. Oh, and he's getting made fun. Oh, my God. Pause it, please. I'm going to have you pause it multiple times. Did you hear that?

What are you doing? You fucking idiot. Then hit him with a snowball. And they do a high arc on that snowball. So it lands so specific. That's how you know it. And this poor kid with Down syndrome clearly just loves Godzilla. And he's making these Godzilla resin lamps.

And he says, this happened to me yesterday. Continue, please. Mama told me never to give up. There he is. He's working hard on it, man. Oh, man. Good for him. So it kept on going.

Please be honest. Is it nice? Yeah, it's beyond nice. It's pretty fucking cool. But that's all fake, right? Yes. Yeah. The product is real.

Right. You can actually go buy these things from like a Chinese drop shipper. And they're using American Western guilt of like, oh, what a what a West? I can't do a Chinese accent. You please don't. You know, they're, they're pixelate my face if he does do that. I believe that. a real guy doing the actual

the artistic part of it but they're putting a down syndrome filter on the guy and they're using the it's a very common trope they're like oh my god I was I they do it with kids it's like all the sympathetic

stuff now when we're talking drop shippers just clear up some stuff for me here these are people who sell like near garbage products crap from but they get they get it made super cheaply and at like at cost and then we'll

ship it to the unit. But then they use like weirdly, I'm constantly seeing they use like the internet to like gain like finally we solved the problem with the screwdriver and it's like a weird little addition to the screwdriver they 3D printed or however whatever allows them to make it

for so cheap. That is correct. And then they sell it to us. Drop shipping was kind of the first major push in the online hustle culture thing. Yes. Where you could, with a Shopify account, you didn't need any physical warehouse space. You could just have products online. And it would, it made it look like it was your product that you are selling from your factory, whatever, but it's actually coming. It's made for dirt cheap at a factory in

China. And on demand, you don't need to carry any inventory. They buy it. It ships over from China. But you pretend you're like a South Carolina housewife who's like, I'm making my favorite. little knick-knacks for you and my Down syndrome son loves making Godzilla lamps. And then you attach a social media account to it where you're like, oh my God, these are these gloves are the cutest. Get these gloves for yourself. And it's like, you click on it and then it comes in like a package with like 40 different stamps that you've never seen before and shit like that.

So this is like the, that was very specific. Yeah. Yeah. I've ordered one thing or two that ended up being from China. And I was just like surprise me when my thinking. I was like, oh, I thought, truly a pukeshell neck I was like, oh, they don't make these anything. I've got to find them. And I found them. I'm like, oh, weird, like a cool, like an Etsy puka shell necklace creator.

And then it's like, it just shows up on, like, my name's not on it. Like, there's no discerning thing. And it's, like, wrapped 12 times. Yeah. And fucking packing taped all the shit up. I'm like, what the fuck is this? And it turns out. China, brother.

Yeah. This is the, this reminds me of the fucking quote I'm going to butcher, you know, the man-made horrors beyond your comprehension, whatever? No, I don't know this. What is that? You never heard that quote? You said horrors. Yeah, man-made quote by Nicola Tesla.

You may live to see man-made horrors beyond your comprehension. Yeah. It's kind of, it makes me think of that in that there are still things and ways, immoral, questionable ways to use artificial intelligence that I would have never dreamed of. Right. I would have never dreamed of. I'm being surprised daily on what kind of, I hesitate to throw the term evil around. But like what you can do nefariously.

Yeah. I'm learning like, I'm learning daily about the way the internet or our connectivity can be used, can be weaponized. Yeah. And it's fucking terrifying. It's a fake Down syndrome guy who's getting bullied for selling really, really cool Godzilla resin lamps. And I just, there's-tricking Facebook moms into going, oh my God, bless his heart. I'm going to buy one of them. Dude, the kind of clips that my mom will send me is like, is this really happening?

And it's like an earthquake of a bridge in California. And I'm like, if it is, if it was real, it's happened 50 years ago. And then I look at where my mom sent the link from. And it's like a quote Facebook. I don't know what it's called on Facebook. I'm off there. But it's like a quoted Facebook thing like, and I go all the way down. And it's like, I'm going to say Chinese characters, but it's definitely Asian characters.

I don't know the language. and I'm like, Mom, consider the source. Where are you getting this from? And I'm like, you're just, you don't follow this random Chinese woman on Facebook. Do you? No. How the fuck did you get this? There's so much stuff that really points at this as being fake to like the perfectly

handwritten selling resin lamps. You wouldn't write the word selling. You'd write for sale or you would write just resin lamps. Or you would write Godzilla lamps because that's more a Godzilla thing than it is resin. also this young man look at how the snowball hits him and hits him straight down which would be an elite level

throw. If you look around zero snow this guy's got a snowball in his car that he throws out he calls him hey you idiot what are you doing? Yeah. Also even the worst person in the world I truly believe wouldn't call to a down syndrome

person who's trying to sell stuff and go hey you idiot and hit him with a snowball Also who's like Forest Gump level drama Who's filming this that he would get the footage? Right. Because he's saying this happened to me yesterday. Right.

Like, get out. Now, send me that. Yeah. Also, his handwriting would be markedly worse than that. Right. Very good handwriting. Yeah. Not to say that a person with Down syndrome couldn't handwrite a sign like that, but I'm just saying, yeah.

Yeah. Mama told me never to give up. I mean, geez, Louise. Mama told me never to give up, but she does let me work with power tools. Yeah. And he's. and he's cutting like an ancient tree trunk. Like, it's crazy. This little, this young man is very talented, I will say.

And the vice isn't connecting it to anything, too. The vice is just squeezing the wood on the sides and you're on the table. Look at this. It really is, I mean, God. This is, it is, like, once you start looking, but I understand why, like, someone without media literacy could fall for that. And that does look cool. Yeah, it really does.

I want one. I, and this is the thing, though, like, We used to say, even my mom, the densest woman alive, would say, like, well, it's never, you never get what you see. No. You know what I mean? And, but it's like, we've lost that idea of like, don't believe what you see when it comes to advertising. And if you understand that the entire internet is advertising, we, we, but we will markedly believe. I have gotten to the point where I'm stressed because of how few things I do believe now.

Like, like, you know what I mean? When something happens online, I just go like, well, I don't even think, like, I need to, wait six days to confirm that this is real. My default is to assume that it's AI generated. Case in point, there was a video that multiple friends were sharing of a little long-haired doxand dog at an agility dog contest. And it just kind of, and the caption is like, wow, he doesn't give a fuck and like, neither do I. And it comes out and there's cones that it's meant to like go around. And it just gently knocks them over one by one. And I'm like, oh my God,

you people, yeah, there it goes. Long-Hared Doxton. And it's fake. It's AI generated. Look at this. And I can't tell you why, but it just is. I know it is. He got every cone. This is victory. What the fuck? And what is this? They got Charlie Kirk wearing

a duel.com. Well, this is the other thing, too. As a matter of fact, before when you were looking through clips and said something like, go viral on Kickster or whatever that thing said. It said the best way to go viral is to see what other people are doing. And now this is another old man complain about the internet. We now incentivize people to rip off stuff. And like Instagram is like, what can you do for this song, this quote unquote meme,

this quote unquote. And then we promote those things. Like the apps, the platforms promote these things that all. are copies of... So now people are making money or making content by putting their own face in front of another video

that someone made. And I'm like... Pointing up at it, doing the TikTok thing? And I can't stand that because it's like... I loved when YouTube was like, look what people are making here. Look at the...

Look what sketches this guy's... This person's doing front-facing sketches. Look at these short film. Look at this funny, like, guitar song this lady's playing on Instagram. Now it's like... That guitar song, people mock it, people play, it goes away, it brings back, you know,

and it's like, this is this circle jerkery that we're doing with like, uh, parody I'm using loosely. It's kind of like we're all standing on the shoulders of not giants, but other small people. And it's like, I hate that that's like a thing that's become.

And AI has made that even easier of like, now you can fake the meme where, but you put the fucking, uh, living on a prayer underneath it or, uh, like a prayer underneath it. And it hits the same.

way. It's like, there's a lot of disgusting stuff that in current culture, and people are benefiting from this, that in current culture, complaining about this shit feels like, for real, dude, we're deporting people. We're killing people in the streets. Women are losing rights. Gay people are like, and I'm like, I know, I know. And it seems like a fascist victory that we can't stop and deal with anything because of the like unrelenting onslaught of like negative things that are happening. Like, I think, not to quote Andor, but like, that's a tool in the fascist playbook is like, just give them too much shit to do. Like, we can all sit around and argue about UFC happening at the, and that's disgusting and tacky and so clearly unethical and so many things

going wrong with that. But 48 on the list of things that are fucking, like, if I could fix, I wouldn't do, you know what I mean? Like, and it's like, that allows them to go like, get over here, get mad about this, get mad about this, get mad at these jingling, keys and we're just missing people fucking, the allegory the analogy of a pick pocket is like the bump is the fucking UFC.

And then when you're getting this bump, the guy's in your pocket and that's AI, capitalism, all that shit. Well, at least Bernie Sanders, he suggests a just today. Well, actually, real fast, just today also. Funny enough with

things being filed under left and right, especially with AI, Martin Scorsese just came out. He did an entire promotional... Just Google Martin Scorsese AI, please. Because he's probably like the film restoration capabilities. No. I think it's for storyboarding and stuff like that.

It just came out. Martin Scorsese backs AI company and says he's using it to storyboard movies. Quote, we have to be open to how cinema can evolve. Right. And there's like there were people who were anti-adding audio to movies. are people anti-digital. There are people who are anti-blank, anti-blank. And I just think it's going to lead us to more and more shit

where someone's like, practical effects, no AI on this movie, and that's going to be a selling point for artists, for art-enjoyers. Big time. It's funny, just with all this, I was just watching, it's only two episodes. I believe it's on Netflix.

It's a Theodore Roosevelt documentary thing that's got reenactments and stuff. And I was interested in it because I like history. Yeah. And it was, I did not know this about him that he was one of, he was like the, the, uh, pioneer of really holding big business to account with Upton Sinclair's the Jungle and, and, um, going after the meatpacking industry and all this stuff. And it's just, it, it really, there is a line to be drawn from there to now.

And it's funny because he was a Republican. But, well, yeah, Republicans used to be about keeping the government out of your business. Well, they, it's funny because, well, Roosevelt's thing was we actually need to grow government to contend with business was getting way too big, way too fast. Yeah. And causing all these problems. People were like dying by the thousands because of poor working conditions, child labor, people getting diseases from canned meats and stuff because there were no standards and practices. and he was like, holy shit, and Standard Oil and all this stuff,

the monopolies, he's like, holy shit, if we keep going this, Thedero Roosevelt said, holy shit. If we keep fucking going this route, no cap, got a fucking... Rough riders roll. Yeah, oh yeah.

Stop. Shut down, open up. Rest and peace to DMX. What a voice. Oh, man, I was in New York when it was his funeral. It was fucking awesome. I was in a building in Brooklyn Heights

and like 1,000 motorcycles, ATVs and Trikes just went right down like Hoyt Skirmhorn around there was fucking awesome, yeah. Well, anyway, Roosevelt had to make the government bigger to be a

what is that called alternate not alternating force, an opposing force to big business and there were, and now you've got the government the government within the government, the Republicans, trying to actively like peel away.

They would, watch this and be like, yeah, what was Roosevelt's problem? Fuck Roosevelt. Why just let the businesses do what they want? The market will figure it out. It's like, no, clearly, that wasn't fucking working. They got their fuck. They're judging the market too. Like, you know what I mean? It's like the market will not figure it out if huge companies can be bailed out and do whatever they want and lay off whoever they want and not like the market will not solve it. We've seen it. The market is not solving stuff. I've got market news here. This is one of my favorite things about stock trading. So, you know SpaceX is going public.

This is some controversial thing that's happening, right? Oh, yeah, big time. Because they're going public in a way that no company has previously gone public or there's like loosening regulations around its IPO or something like that. They are being fast-tracked to be included in the NASDAQ 100 and I believe now the S&P 500, which is a basket of stocks. You got the NASDAQ 100. You got the S&P 500.

And in order to be included in the... those baskets of stocks, you have to satisfy many criteria. You've got to be a publicly traded company, obviously. You've got to have been publicly traded for at least six months. Right. So that there can be some modicum of price discovery. We as the investing public, I'm not going to buy something on day one where I have no clue, you know, where things are going to shake out, there's no quarterly filings to review yet, things like that. Now, if SpaceX gets into those things, that means it's probably automatically in a lot of people's portfolios, right? Precisely.

Again, so this is like a thing, I only, my only portfolio is like 401K, like a Roth IRA. Yeah. So I have to actively get it out of there, right? If you own, because that's the thing, there's like the NASDAQ 100 and the S&P, and then there are dozens, if not hundreds of other funds who sold. purpose is to track those things. So that's where a lot of it is coming from, is like, okay, we're going to, the NASDAQ is loosening its rules.

And within 15 days, as opposed to six months, we are going to include SpaceX in our basket here, which means there is going to be all of a sudden a ton of just automatic buying of SpaceX. Because, hey, my fund tracks the NASDAQ 100. If they drop a stock, I drop the stock. If they add a stock, I add the stock. You follow? Yeah.

So now, okay, NASDAQ is adding SpaceX. Great. Me and all the other hundreds of funds whose sole purpose is to track the NASDAQ are also reflexively going to be buying into this thing. And thereby pensions, 401Ks, you name it, anybody with auto-invest on, anybody who owns any flavor of these things. is by proxy going to be owning shares in SpaceX. So it's equal parts like, I want it to fucking fail, but I don't because that would be, it wouldn't be like all out disaster,

but it would probably have a heavy weight on these various financial instruments. Now, how naive am I in saying I do not think they'll let this fail? You're not naive at all. Because I believe this is not going to just benefit Elon. I have a feeling it's going to benefit. so many who who's who's who's probably in on SpaceX everyone in power who's dying to rush this

through the the big banks yeah government because SpaceX is now a government contractor well and it's imperative to a national security satellites all that shit yeah star link all that shit and then throw in the whole like uh top tier people in the in in power in the government now they're personal trading that they're all doing. Oh, yeah. And I don't even mean that this goes both sides. You know, Pelosi's on the fucking, she's being watched as well. But like,

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That's the tricky thing. So Trump's sons are normally a president or someone in power like that. Their assets get put into a blind trust where they have no idea. They blindly trust. That's not where it comes from. Right. But they just blindly, you know, they don't know so that they can be free to do their work. And not consider their own private wealth.

Exactly. Sorry, but we have to add a regulation to blah, blah, blah, Even though I might, I don't know. I have stock in that. His kids run his money. Yeah. And it is obvious through just the sheer volume of those trades, it is obvious that A, the kids are day trading his stuff, obviously. And number two, they're probably clearly using algorithmic trading, too, to be rapid fire in and out of shit.

Yeah. And then they have insider info as well. Yeah. Because it's like all the fucking Iran shit with like making announcements on Fridays. and then on like Monday, like, just playing to like, war doesn't have the, a closing and opening bell. No. But something else does that we're playing to when we're talking about like people's

human lives are at risk and shit like that. And it's so, I mean, it's, it's like you said, it's, there's, it's number 50 on the list. But it's, it's just, it's so overwhelming. It's the Steve Bannon thing of flooding the zone. Yeah. So that you're just so, you're left bewildered. Like, where do I?

even start. And in the time that you've been exasperated about this, five other things have happened. And there's just no, oh, yeah, the whatever governmental body is now investigating these questionable oil futures trades that took place. But it's like, oh, you mean Trump's

own administration is going to be investigating what could potentially be disastrous or bad press for Trump? If there's any people left in the regulatory department that haven't been doged out of their fucking... Yeah. No fucking kidding. Now, I have a, I have a Question, another naive question.

Hit me. Is there a world in which someone could create or at least facilitate a fund that you could invest, like, politically? Meaning, I would join a small, like, oh, this fund returns one, averages 1% or whatever. I would join, put all my money in something that said, like, we don't have fossil fuels. We don't have AI. We don't have any companies that have done, you know, that are Lockheed Martin, that are Department of Defense contracts. We don't have any. We are, I don't know what those companies would be left in that would make money.

But if someone created a fund that was like, this is the empathy fund. Do you know what I mean? That exists. Okay. Not exactly. I don't know. I know that there are funds that actively exclude weapons manufacturers and fossil fuels. And fossil fuels.

military contractors, yeah, and like fossil fuels. Just to give you an idea of just how many various funds like that exist, I just read about one today that is a Sharia law compliant ETF that exists. Which incidentally excludes weapons manufacturers, I believe. It excludes something. There are women CEO only ETFs also that only invest in ETFs that... And ETFs are like a collection of companies. that you can invest in in like one big? It stands for exchange traded fund.

It just means it's a basket of stocks that you can trade as one stock. Okay, cool, cool. And they have criteria that stocks are constantly meeting or failing to meet. So they're being added or taken away and given certain weight versus others. Yeah, I was in a few cannabis ETFs. Oh, brother. I'm sorry to hear that. Yeah, dog.

The only thing I had, in 2020 in the pandemic, I had some money. from in 2021 post I had some money. I did a travel show and I was like, okay, I want to invest in stuff I use and I just got on Robin Hood and did like joined a bunch of cannabis stuff and I lost 10 grand over the course of like two years. I'm still holding on to a bunch of dumb stuff. Yeah. And it's gone up like $300 in two years since then. But I lost almost all. It went from like 10K investment to I have like 1100 in my Robin Hood now. Brother, I've got devastating stories about I cut my teeth trading stocks initially. I made most of my,

the big money that I first made came from marijuana stocks. And then after paying the tax man, the next couple of years, the big money that I lost came from marijuana stocks. And it's just been the, it's like the one sector of the publicly traded stock sphere that just can't catch a break anymore. It's like everybody,

you know, it's all about stories. And like, for example, quantum stocks were a big thing recently, even though they don't make any money, even though the science is decades away. These companies are still touting $20, $30 billion valuations, right? Used to be the same thing with marijuana. Oh, man, there's rumblings about the federal regulations. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah.

And it's happened enough times to where people just know and the research is out there that even if they were to get like federal legalization, it just. wouldn't matter for the stocks. Yeah, because, and I have learned this the hard way, there are good businesses and there are good stocks. And sometimes, even if it's a good business, it can still be a bad stock. Right. Which is frustrating.

And a good stock could be bad business too. Yeah. And that's the other thing that this is where I get mad at stocks. And I understand this is like your trade. But this is where I get mad is that like... Oh, I get mad all the time. My mom is just like, well, as long as this stock, market's doing good. And I'm like, that's not a reason to live. And also like, ask your sons how much

stock we have. It's not the barometer of a healthy society. Right. And it's like what's the number? You know better than me, but it's like 10% of Americans own stock or whatever, you know, like. It's probably even less than that. Yeah. You've heard of the K-shaped economy? No. It's the, it's a new phrase to describe the incredible wealth disparity, especially as the stock market keeps going up. It's K-shaped because the rich just get richer and those the haves continue to have and get more and the have nots continue to not. Especially as the fucking market just keeps going up, the people who own a disproportionate amount of that amount of that wealth are going to continue to enjoy the fruits of those

investments and the people and it prices out the people who can't afford. Like the higher the market goes, the less likely you're going to get good returns. Right. You're going to buy like one meta stock. for like $900, whatever, and hope it goes up to $1,100? Like, you know? Or fucking IPOs.

Tesla IPOed at like a billion dollar valuation. And now it's at $1.5 trillion. That's great. That means that IPOed at a good opportune time for people to participate, for the public to participate. And now companies wait until they're fucking just the most bloated, disgusting,

fucking overweight, debt-ridden, whatever you, it's just fully realized. Debuting at a $2 trillion valuation for SpaceX, that's one of the records that they're breaking. It's just, where's the upside? So to buy a share of that, that's going to be what? Like, that's going to be an insane, like, you're going to have to buy like a percentage of a small,

like a fraction of a share. Well, it depends on what price. Because, I mean, the price doesn't. Oh, price. Per number of shares. Yes. Price times the amount of shares gives you the valuation. So they're going to have $1 shares, but they have a trillion shares.

Yes, exactly. Yeah. And it's frustrating because, yeah, like companies used to debut at somewhat reasonable valuations to where the public could participate in the upside. And now it's like, no, fuck you. We're using you as exit liquidity. Yeah. And then part of that problem is, is everyone gets rich there and then the company can fail. The company can fall apart.

And the people who wanted to get rich got rich and the people who bought one stock with all of their savings are fucking fucked. And one of the nefarious things about the SpaceX IPO is in the language of the filing, in the legalese of it, Elon Musk is virtually not invisible, but he is, it's impossible to sue him. Yeah, he's untouchable. The only way that you can sue him is if you own at least 3% of the company, which at its current valuation is like, that would be $300 million. No, no, it's like $50 billion worth.

So you got to own $50 billion worth of stock to even be able to have like a power. Yes. For any breach of whatever. Otherwise, he can quite literally do whatever he wants, neglect his duties, you name it,

misuse of funds. I highly doubt he's going to do that. But it just speaks to how untouchable you become. Is there a chance of a crash anymore? A market crash? Yeah. Great question. There is.

It seems like no one's afraid of that, right? It seems like no one's discussing that. It happened 100 years ago, right? Like, it seems like not to be an ominous, like, signs guy, but... No, the only thing that could truly crash the market these days is a full-on black swan event that nobody sees coming. Everything else... Because like, COVID didn't crash the markets. It did. Yeah, I mean, it did, but not like, it didn't give us, you know, like... A prolonged depression, right. Yeah, yeah. Markets... But it would have to be something to like that. It would have to be some unprecedented event. That's what black swan event

means, something that's just like, because a black swan is an anomaly. Yeah, exactly. Okay, okay. It would have to be something like that because in this day and age, we all collectively see everything a mile away. Right. We all see it coming on Twitter. There's so much shared information. There's so much research. There's, you name it. Everything has already been priced in, as they say. Right. And so I guess that's sort of good that that won't happen, but no one's ever going to learn a lesson either and none of these robber beds. And also it, the case shaped economy. I get frustrated than what we have now, the stock market has gone up 10. This is its 11th week straight up. 11 weeks straight up. And it feels like you do not see that wealth reflected

anecdotally in anyone in your life. No, it's just like, okay, great. Another week of of the market just going up every day because it doesn't matter. And I want it to come down because I want to be able to buy in. I want a tradable thing to get my to get my yayas out. But this idea of like the stock market also brings me to another major issue I have and it affects me directly is the shareholder value. I knew that was coming. Yeah.

The never ending pursuit of better margins, higher revenues, higher gross profits. Yes, yes. Which, so longevity in a company doesn't matter anymore. It's public opinion. It's public perception of the company. None of that matters anymore if you're just by hook or by crook, mostly the latter, using the blood, sweat, and viscera of your employee base to just purely churn out profits. Mergers, dominating markets, raising, raising prices. Netflix raising a dollar every, like, year, since.

since I got them without adding any new features or anything like that, actually adding commercial. Like so much stuff is happening that is just for the people who own the stock, but not the people who use the product. You know what I mean? Like Instant Pot, what they did to that company, what they did to like all these other smaller companies.

Like Instant Pot famously made a great pot that everyone bought and were doing fine. VC came in and bought it. Venture Capital came in and bought it, thought that they could make more money by making more products, making shittier stuff, making stuff faster, and then Instant Pot fell apart.

Yeah. Tupperware. Tupperware. You used to have like a good, a company, you used to just be like, we make good washing machines. It's like, great. And that's not enough because if you make a good product

that people keep for 12 years, there's not a way to make more money. Exactly. I believe that's why Tupperware recently declared bankruptcy is because their product was too good. Right. People weren't buying more. People didn't need to buy more.

Yeah. Ugh. plus I got enough microplastics floating around in my fucking testicles that I don't need it. I like to tell myself that I don't have microplastics in my balls. It's just a lie. There's not enough space in there. I mean, I have a lot of micro stuff happening down there,

but I don't think I'm going to miss microplastic. Piss in my balls, dude. Remember that tweet? On the SpaceX thing, a really funny thing in stock market lore that happens. It's so stupid. So SpaceX's ticker symbol is going to be SPCX, right? Yeah. People were recently bidding up Virgin Galactic, whose ticker symbol is SPCE, space.

Under the presumption that, oh, well, people are probably going to end up buying the wrong ticker in space instead of SpaceX. So they started, they fucking, the stock went up like 500% in the last couple weeks. Like the person who owns Google with three O's or whatever. You know what I mean? Yeah. It's that kind of fascinating shit that happens. I hate that. And yeah, I mean, here's one good thing.

The Eli Lilly had this Reda Trutide thing. You've been hearing about this, the peptides. Yeah, yeah. And it's supposed to be like a miracle thing for guys like us with high cholesterol. I saw some expert weighing in being like, this is, if you have high cholesterol, congratulations. Enjoy the pizza. Yeah, yeah. It's basically, and I'm like, oh, my God.

a guy who's terrified of dying of a heart thing. It runs in my family. Yeah. Oh, man. I'm like, if they can just fix this shit between gLP ones and hopefully this red of true tide and peptides and shit, man, maybe that'll be. So I'd like to go out on a positive note. Yeah, I think that's a fun idea because that makes me feel good too.

Maybe there are all these things that can benefit. It's not just slop photos of ice agents terrorizing Hispanic communities. It's not just what's this, Spencer Pratt putting out videos where Karen Bass is the Joker, Heath Ledger's Joker. It's also helping out the guys with calcium clogging their hearts.

Oh, dog, I did that calcium test and they were not happy. Whoa. How did they do it? Did they do a catheter? No, I did like that scan. The contrast die? Yeah, yeah.

Okay, so it wasn't a catheter. They just injected you with dye. And then I was on like an MRI type machine that scanned me. I'm terrified of that, man. Yeah. I recently... What's terrifying is

because you can't go back. Like, I'm on... Yeah, I'm on like the Lipitor... The generic from Lipitor, atroveston or whatever. And that only stops more plaque from coming. You can't get...

There's like not a way to get rid of it. They'll figure it out, man. They'll figure it out. Hey, eyes on it, man. Claude, fix my blood. Hey, Clark, fix my shit, man. I got pasta cooking eat. John Gabbers, thank you so much for joining us.

Plug your shit, man. Thanks for having me, man. I got a few different podcasts. I got Staying Alive, a health and wellness podcast for the unhealthy and unwell that I host with Adam Pally. Wow. I've got Action Boys, my Patreon podcast. We've got some free episodes at free. dot Action Boys.

Biz. We cover action movies from the 70s, 80s, and 90s. Nice. Ben Rogers and Ryan Stanger co. Very funny dudes. And then I recently just am a kind of color commentator on a political podcast called Superstructure. And you can get superstructure wherever you get pods. Who's doing Superstructure?

Julian Field from QAA. I'm from Q&N Anonymous, that old podcast. He's kind of like a leftist writer thinker guy. And it's been, I'm learning a lot about American history. And I bet you won't. The awful shit we've been doing overseas. And for me, a guy who was raised on like CIA and special ops and all that stuff I love. Action movies.

Yep. I'm learning how that was watching propaganda since I was like 10. Yeah. Well, folks, thank you so much for joining us this week. Emile is going to have a good feeling that he might get resurrected next week. Nadal, he's going to see Nadal, right? Who might be able to get the tennis ball out of his mouth?

Yeah, yeah. Nadal's going to help him. What do you do? Why you swallow the ball? It's for it. It's for for hitting. It's just bounce right off. Oh, yeah.

Hey, Q&A. We're going to put the phone number for Ben and Emilster.com subscribers. We're going to do a Q&A next week, too. Sorry. And I'll also bring back the comment of the week. Okay, bye. Coming up on this week's episode of Ben and Emile show.

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