The Ben and Emil Show - BAES 40: Our biggest episode ever

Episode Date: March 21, 2024

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Man, hey everybody. We got a real doozy of an episode, man. This thing is... It's piping hot. It's thicker than a milkshake. Oh, thick with... You don't even know how many Cs. It's a real gat of an episode, if you know what I mean.

I actually don't know what he means. Oh, man. A freaking old guy over here. This is episode 40, the big old 40. So before... We're officially over the hill. We are officially over the hill. We got a lot coming in.

We got the tick. We're going to explain this. the TikTok shutdown so that you guys will just relax already. We're going to get into the Open AI massive drama with none other than Elon Musk. We're going to touch a lot on some crypto stuff. I got a story for you guys that's going to either make you really mad or you might just be neutral. I don't know, but it's one of those two things will happen. It's the dumbest crypto thing since Dogecoin. That's all I can tell you. It's a tease. And so before we get into it, what? We only got a few tickets left for the New York City show. Oh, yeah, the link will be in the bio

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pay an extra. Also, if you're a TMG app, some people reached out. If you are a TMG app, if you're a TMG app user, some people reach and we're like oh my god i had no idea i was paying extra on that one as well so we'll save you everybody yeah speaking of money speaking of money we've got something exciting for you guys and uh i can't really give detail just basically you're gonna want you're gonna want to go into the link in the description for this because we've partnered with mu mu i know it's a cute name it is a trading

app and they've got a really really amazing sign up bonus when you sign up with them you're going to get a pretty, you're not going to believe it, but it's incredibly good. So there's a link in the description. And yeah, they've got a really nice interface for trading if you're interested in trading options, all that good stuff. Anyway, oh boy. Okay, so TikTok. TikTok. Goes the clock. Truly, on TikTok's rain in America. Yeah, it's a big deal. So the, in case, in case you've been living under a rock say hi to those bugs for me and I love people because they've been tagging me

in certain memes where it's like the bugs under the rock when you lift it up and it's a bunch of people sitting at a table like looking up at the camera but so we're going to break this down for you I wish that was the memes people were tagging me in what are they tagging you in? Just like um

tennis shit yeah or just like that feeling TFW you're a closeted New Jersey native or something like that. Oh, yeah. Don't do that. Yeah, people tag me in all sorts of stuff.

But so basically what we've got going on with TikTok is there is a concern among America's legislators that the Chinese ownership of TikTok poses a national security risk to America because Beijing could if they wanted to apparently use the app. to access everyone's data, which is funny because what the hell are they going to do with my data? Take it for all I care. I don't care. Everyone's got my data. Everybody's got my data. Well, yeah, I mean, that's kind of the annoying thing is that, uh, I mean, I think it's like no one's really going to get behind a national security threat. Um, yeah, it's, it's less that. And all of this, it feels like a thing of their own making where they, oh, do we wait for it?

That's okay. Ciren's a part of the... When, you know, a lot of people have been talking about how the way the American government has allowed a monopoly in the tech space to take over and especially in social media, it's led to all of our social media platforms just like eating each other. And when we had things like Vine, Facebook was just like, eh, we'll kill that. And then, and now there's a Chinese competitor and people are unhappy about it. And that's the thing.

Throughout all this, there were plenty of opportunities to have sensible data and privacy protections for people. And they were just like, no, it's all good. Well, they kind of did. So real fast, the other major concern that they have is that TikTok has the capability of running disinformation campaigns. And other ones don't? That's true. Well, their whole thing is, well, it's a foreign adversary, a foreign government that controls it, could, if they, if they so chose, could send the message down, down the pipeline to run

disinformation campaigns. But TikTok responded and they said that all of these worries are baseless and they cite the fact that 60% of the company is owned, excuse me, is owned by international institutional investors, including like Black Rock. And that three of the five board members are Americans. And that it has also spent over a billion dollars to store. their U.S. data domestically on Oracle servers, which are also monitored by third-party auditors. So it seems to me that they're, yeah, they call that like the firewall, that they've got all of this data that's siloed and it's secure, but the legislators still retort that, well, according to Chinese law, they could still, Beijing could still say, hey, we want that data.

And TikTok is saying, no, they can't do that. And they never have, and they also won't. But, yeah, apparently this Chinese law dictates that companies have to turn over data if requested by the government. But the, so the bill isn't up for a vote yet. I think Chuck Schumer is in the Senate. In the Senate. It passed through the House. Yeah.

Easily. And now Chuck Schumer, I think, is the one who's holding it up. And famously, Joe Biden said that he would pass it if it passed. He would sign it if it passed, yeah. So everybody thinks that TikTok is going to go away. I really think that the chances of that are slim to none. But let's get into what's in the bill. The bill just says that TikTok must be sold within...

So after the bill passes, TikTok must be sold within six months to a buyer that satisfies the U.S. government. Well, that's the other thing, too. There are a bunch of people screaming about how this is like Patriot Act, Part 2. And they're going to, you know, it's a massive surveillance. Patriot Act Park 2, surveillance, boogaloo. Really nice. Thank you.

And so they would have to satisfy the U.S. government, and it would have to guarantee that ByteDance, who's the parent company, would no longer have any control over TikTok or its algorithm. So there's a couple of things. If ByteDance refuses, if this bill passes and ByteDance says, no, we're not going to sell it, then it would become illegal for app stores and web hosting companies to distribute or update. the app in the US so it would just end up being like a buggy mess yeah so if you already have

TikTok you're fine but with time I don't even understand how that works like if it's currently fine how do they not have all the bugs solve well because as the app changes and stuff like that then the new yeah people find loopholes to exploit and whatnot I guess no I believe like if you have a perfectly a computer that's in perfect working condition but it's getting older everything else around it changes right so certain websites and stuff

won't work in the same way and just as the app changes and they add new features and stuff your videos won't play in the same way and you won't be able to interact with it in the same way right okay that makes sense so the Justice Department says that if if the bill passes and if bite dance

refuses to sell it, they would go after any company or app store that continues to host it or offer it for download. And like you said, yeah, it means it would become slowly buggy and unusable. But what people could do is what a lot of people do already in places like China and Russia is download a VPN and get around it that way. Kind of like what they're already doing in Texas with Pornhub being banned. Yeah. And what's that about? It's because they're requiring an age verification. Yeah, you've got to be 18 if you want to see them things hanging. Interesting.

See them cheeks clapping? Exactly. Why is that such a problem for people? Is it 16-year-olds out there just being like, no, man, I want to jerk off? There's other websites. Not that I know, but I'm sure that there is more, I don't know, like fucking sex.com. I think it's cool. Make it harder. Remember, it should be harder to jerk off. I remember before the days of utilizing a search engine, you just had to get creative with

URLs. Be like bigboobs.com. Yeah, I remember, uh, sex.com. I remember my cousin kept, his parents were like, why the fuck does he keep searching bobs? And then someone was like, I think he's looking for boobs. Yeah. I wonder what's on boobbs.com. Don't show my screen Just in case Oh, it just says

Boob, it's boobes.com. Huh. And there you have it, folks. It's exactly. It's just cam stuff. Yeah, it's just cam stuff. It's always cam stuff. Yeah.

But. I feel like we're going to get in trouble for maybe workplace harassment. Dylan's going to file some kind of claim because he just brought up. Please don't. Dude, I saw the computer screen. That was in show.

Wait, what was I? I was just going to say something about pornography. Oh, oh. also back in our day we had we had in our day do you remember the ab channel switcher a b channel switcher now so did you ever have this dylan or were you a satellite kid no not a satellite so we we had a cable box and on the a side there was a little switch that said a and b and on the a side it had all your regular cable channels and then on the b side it was all the premium channels like hbo cinemax i think you guys have a hot box i think that's what it was

yeah we had a hot box and and it was incredible one of the ones on the b side was the spice Yep, which was the... They also had the Playboy Channel. The Playboy Channel, and it would come in, but it would come in fuzzy and like... Oh, no, mine came in clear. Oh, mine... A Hotbox is like, it means it's like unlocked and it can... Oh, yeah, we didn't have that.

Oh. So you had like the pirated thing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we didn't have that. Yeah, I love watching the fuzzy stuff. Oh, it was so, it was like, it was all scrambled, so it'd be like, I think I see a boob. Man, man, man. Oh, and it was like very squiggly. I remember being at my grandparents' house one time, and it was like that, and truly,

watching porn through that and just being like this is fucking incredible and the music was always like that it's it's almost music that you would hear in an elevator or a dentist office but i remember my ex-brother-in-law came in one time when i was on the scrambled b side and he goes he had he sounded like kermit the frog and he was like what are you doing oh you're looking at you're looking at this price channel. Anyway. So, the problem is, though,

there's 170 million, I think, monthly active users here in the United States. So the only entities that could afford to buy TikTok to begin with.

170 million? Monthly active users. I think the daily is like 70 in the 70 million. I believe so. That's fucking crazy. I know. That's like about a quarter

of America. And, when you look at TikTok, it makes sense. At least the third of, yeah. Yeah. I mean, nobody knows how many Americans there are. There's between like 350 and 40s. In a billion?

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Yeah, they wouldn't be allowed to buy it anyway. So it's like America, Uncle Sam, what do you want? There are people who are putting to, putting together a little Avengers team of TikTok buyers, like Steve Mnuchin. Steve Mnuchin, former secretary of the treasury, whose signature was on our money.

His wife has like a TikTok show. I know. It's called, uh, getting, it's called like girl time or something. I saw her, she put an Instagram out and she was like,

now streaming and it's on like the weirdest. It's on every platform. Strange platforms. Yeah. Um, oh, I have it in the bonus. There's gonna,

there's a TikTok show that I want to show you. Speaking of the Spice channel, it is. I can't wait. It is, it's, it's something that I never imagined, but once I saw it, I'm like, oh, it totally makes sense that they're making this kind of thing. It's essentially softcore porn without any nudity. It's like trashy romance novels, but in short form content, you're going to love it.

Oh, man. But so, so the other thing is China would also have to approve this sale, and they have already said that they will not. So quite the quagmire, quite the stalemate. Quite the digital rinkmanship. They're saying they're saying we won't approve it so it will be effectively a ban.

Yeah, yeah. Isn't China, or sorry, isn't TikTok illegal in China? No, they have, they just have a separate algorithm or something. No, no, I heard it's like a, it's a different app

and it's educational, which is funny. Correct. That's right here. It's like all about how like being an engineer is sick. Yeah. Yeah.

And ours, they're like, we're going to ruin you. Yeah. We're like, you should all try to be, influencers yeah but what's wild to me stupid as possible the algorithm did you see mr bese come out and be like he was basically like everyone can't do this and shouldn't yes do it uh huh but i mean look at him if someone if he didn't you know he just got a he's got that million dollar smile

he just got a huge deal with amazon prime they're doing like a big game show with him oh no it wants it on youtube yeah what's the fucking difference uh well i guess a huge fat check from amazon is probably the difference. You don't think it'd be a normal size check? No. You can fold up and put in your pocket. It's going to be gigantic. He's going to have to stand on a ladder when he does a mobile deposit.

He's got a storage locker full of giant checks. Sorry, I'm talking to the guy, our Discord guy for our Q&A. So it is funny to me, though, because the algorithm, when you're using it, it's kind of a mirror, right? Like, it rewards what people interact with. A bunch of people like something. Sure, there's going to be neat stuff that it just, like, tries to show you. But it's all, I just wonder what the mix is between new things that it's showing you and things that are getting pushed through the algorithm because people are liking it,

people are commenting, people are sharing it. And the more momentum that has, the more likely it's going to be shown in people's pages. I mean, regardless, it's just insanely. addictive and bad for your attention. I feel very torn. I mean, obviously they've been talking about this forever. We've been, you know, it's been weirdly passed in city halls in random towns in America where they're like, we're banning it on all city, city phones and, um, and gotten some traction in states and stuff. This is the closest it's ever, it's ever come to a national ban. Come. Come. I don't know if, uh, I can't see it passing in the Senate, like very

little does pass in the Senate these days, but when we were first talking about it, I jokingly was like, good, get rid of this fucking thing. It's like this awful addictive thing that makes everyone crazy. Yeah, I was going to ask, do you think we should get rid of it? I think so. No. I also, like, it's very hard for me to get behind now. Hearing people talk about, like, how they've connected with people over it and stuff like

that and the way it's changed people's businesses and all of that. Lever King. Also, I think it feels very suss that all this fervor about pro-Palestinian sentiment on the app. And for some reason now there's all this actual movement in Congress to get it done. Feels very fucking weird. Interesting. um you know and seeing all the complaints about that and and and like how you know people are being brainwashed into uh you know into thinking yeah that's the thing about the so i and like this

concern over young people and that it's it's like the fastest growing platform for young people to get their news on um and now with this like very unpopular um um war for and and Biden and everyone going into damage control over it it just feels fucking weird I don't know about that because they've been talking about this for a while yeah but there was never any actual movement right that's true so speaking of them in the disinformation campaign they last week everybody got a notification I didn't get one but everybody got a notification when they open their apps from TikTok not everyone because apparently it like was targeted I'm I

that guy, Scott Galloway talking about it, and he's like, my son got this. How come I didn't receive it? Yeah, it was giving people their reps. It's giving. It's giving their reps names and contact information to voice opposition. And yeah, like you said, Manuchin says he's putting together a group, Kevin O'Leary, the shark tank guy. I don't, how the hell can these guys afford it?

But speaking of kids being addicted, I wanted to share this. This is Jules Turpac, friend of the. show shares this video of this woman this this young woman who is it's three and a half minutes long but should we play a little bit of it we've got time yeah and to be clear like i'm so i'm sympathetic to this kind of stuff yeah and and if they want to you know think about actual ways of reforming these platforms and stuff like that i'm sure you guys saw the clip of nancy pelosi just like truly slurring her words oh then she said getting rid of tic-tac is their tic-tac band And it's a tic-tac-toe.

It's a river. Tick-Tac-T-T-T. Yeah. Christ. All right, so here's this girl. I have reached my end with TikTok, or social media in general, for that matter, but especially TikTok. I have been out of college now for almost two years, and I have decided that I wanted to go to med school. I want to further my education.

I want to keep expanding my career opportunities. I've always had a passion for health care. And so I am in the process of trying to study for the MCAT. I have been trying to study for this MCAT for over a year now. And I keep pushing it off and pushing it off and pushing it off. Why? Because I cannot physically bring myself to study. My brain does not have the capacity to read a textbook or watch Khan Academy videos even.

I haven't been paying attention. Are you serious? I'm making a joke about my attention's pain. I'm two years out of college. And what have I been doing in my free time after I get off of my 9-to-5 job? Scrolling TikTok? I scroll for hours and hours and hours. And I've been lying to myself.

You know, I tell myself, you know, oh, I like TikTok because it connects me with people on the internet. It connects me with like-minded people. It gives me access to art and content and news and information. It's not. It's connecting you to a infinite, never-ending stream of dopamine and stimulation. And I feel like I have lost much. of my cognitive ability. I don't feel as articulate and as educated as I was as a 16 year old even.

I mean, man, she's... I mean, I agree with everything. I agree with everything. I feel dumber. I went on it during the pandemic and was very quickly like, oh, I'm not cut out for this. This is, like, I obviously, I've struggled with other, like, I've deleted Instagram. I've been off Instagram for like years at a time because I'm like, this is a fucking suck. I don't want it.

TikTok was like... that on crack you know just like so addictive you can just sit there all fucking day um especially when the algorithm is first getting to know you oh and it famously it was it was showing me pimple popping videos and uh girls with giant boobs just going oh oh and just like bouncing around that's what's going on here and there's a you have to like take yourself out of it and and imagine uh how did i how did i do this it was like Like, I imagined myself watching myself and it made, it kind of took me out of it. I'm like, yeah, hey, don't be a, don't be a moron, idiot.

Have some self-respect. Don't be a moron, idiot. Yeah. Wait, this other girl has a thing too. Something that I think about almost every single day is taking a year-long break from my phone entirely. Like turning it off, putting it in a drawer, getting a flip phone. I got my first phone when I was 14, which was way later than most of my friends.

and my brain does not know how to function without it. And my husband spends zero time on his phone. His screen time every day is like 22 minutes or something like that. He does nothing on his phone. Yeah, who is he? It's so dramatically different. Like his attention span is longer. He is just more present, notices different things.

Like, it's insane. And I really want to try it. But the thing is, is like, I don't know how to be not on my phone. Like, I make all of my money on my phone. I make all of my friends on my phone, which is also doing an attention span thing. Yeah, I, I, I, I, I, I, I mean, geez, Louise, I cannot, can you imagine being in college and trying to, like, even just studying, you know, we study for these episodes. And I was put, I kept getting, I had to pee.

I kept getting up to pee. And then I would scroll on TikTok because I didn't, I was putting off like, I got so much work to do. But then, you know, you start sitting down and doing it. And it reminds, I thought of college. I remembered college in that same feeling of, man, I got to read all this shit so that I have to write a paper. It's funny when I was, when I was reading about the TikTok. stuff i was like i could not imagine having to write a paper right now like with all the because i mean it's that dopamine thing where your brain has to choose it's like you could sit down and do the work

and and write or you could just open this fucking thing and immediately just your brain's just going to be firing off because you're these means are dope i love when my means are dope hey everybody this show is also sponsored by better help hey emil what would you do if you had an extra hour of time in your day? You know, that's a great question, Ben. I bet you'd be playing tennis, wouldn't you? I'd be playing tennis. You'd be playing tennis?

Well, I'd do a bunch of things. I'd hang with friends. I'd spend more time on creative projects, you know? But it's not an easy question to answer if you maybe don't know yourself as well as you'd like to. Therapy can help you find what matters to you so you can go do more of it. Hopefully it's not finding out that what matters to you is scrolling more because, boy, how do we know we need less of that right i say more tennis and you know i'm not the only one who's

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golly i mean every year it gets harder and harder for me to sit down and read i like still do it And, but it's like, I have to make this conscious choice of like, don't pick up the fucking phone. Look at the book. There was a girl, there was a product, I remember, it kind of went viral. It's a glass box that you put your phone in and you enter on it how long you want the box to be locked for. And this dad bought it for his kids, his like 20-year-old kids or teenagers or whatever for Christmas. And the teenage girls, he's filming them doing it. And the teenage girl's like, aha, I'm going to put my phone in here for like three minutes.

And she accidentally put three days. And it fully locks. You can't open it unless you like fucking, I don't know, it's bulletproof or something. And she started freaking out and crying. And I mean. I mean, people are fully addicted to it. And I think there's like a, I've definitely experienced it. But I've talked to people who get like a pretty severe level of anxiety when they

kind of lose access to um like connectivity um i find it sometimes you get like a crazy freedom from it like when i went to indian wells the the service and stuff is so bad in there because everyone's trying to and you try to jump on their Wi-Fi it doesn't fucking work and then at a certain point you're like oh fuck it like i just don't have to look at my phone today and that is fucking great everybody's going to boobobs dot com yeah too many guys in the men's room look at boobs dot combs dot Oh, man. But I've definitely had like a pang of, you know, oh, I haven't checked in in a while. What if something's happening?

You know what thought exercise works for me is I try to remember what I saw yesterday. And I don't remember a single thing. Therefore, it wasn't important. Hey, there's nothing that was of any. Well, I guess that's not true. Considering what we do with this show, we do. we do have to, I don't know if that's me coping, but it is certainly true that we've got to be dialed in and stuff

and know what's going on. Like, for example, this meme coin thing that we're going to be talking about, I wouldn't have found out about it if I wasn't dialed in, and I wouldn't have gotten it. So I'm hooked on this thing for you guys. But I also find that there's, for you. There's like more and more or less and less jobs where you don't have to be like somewhat down there.

Oh, yeah, man. And I mean, I think that's what's so... We should become garbage, man. Instagram was funny, or, like, you saw it all kind of happening where, like, all a sudden these social media platforms started rolling out, and, like, businesses would be like, oh, I guess we should have a Twitter account, and we'll just tweet about our fucking sales or whatever. And same with Instagram. And they'd be like, we'll make a nice graphic and be like, oh, we're open on MLK Day or whatever.

We'll commemorate 9-11. TikTok came out. And businesses were like, oh, you know, we're a fucking. dentistry practice we should have all of our employees do dances and fucking like with it's just what the fuck happened to everybody yeah uh you know Elon Musk should be more he's he's all concerned about there being more black doctors he should be concerned about um those black doctors being addicted to TikTok yeah but you because I'm referencing the Don Lemon interview sure sure so speaking of Elon Musk we can now transition

I think to Open AI and all the all the drama they're in because so much so much is happening all the time is the thing there's so much is happening all the fucking time and so much is happening all the fucking time and so just to catch everybody up Elon Musk used to be part of Open AI he was a co-founder he was a founding member yeah he was a founding member and they parted And basically a couple weeks ago, he filed a lawsuit against Open AI. He was alleging that they breached their 2015 founding agreement between himself, Sam Altman, and Greg Brockman, to develop AI for the benefit of humanity rather than profit. And he says that they've breached that agreement by partnering with Microsoft.

and yeah, they apparently also agreed. And with this like board shakeup and not being as prudent as they used to be and open, that was the big thing, right? Open AI, it was going to be all for sharing the knowledge. I think he made some kind of quip to saying they should call themselves closed AI. Another fucking banger.

Man, that's just a fucking bang. But so they also apparently in this founding agreement said that they wouldn't keep the information private for commercial benefit. It was just like benefit of humanity, all good things. So in response to this lawsuit, OpenAI put out a blog post, and they included a bunch of old emails from Elon Musk in a move to try to get all these claims dismissed. And they said, and this is a direct quote, we're sad that it's come to this with someone

whom we've deeply admired, someone who inspired us to aim higher, then told us we would fail, started a competitor and then sued us when we were and then sued us when we started making meaningful progress towards Open AI's mission without him. There is no founding agreement or any agreement with Musk as the complaint itself makes clear. The founding agreement is a fiction Musk has conjured to lay unearned claim to the fruits of an enterprise he initially supported, then abandoned, then watched succeed without him. Oh. It's serving. the C word, I can't say it because they'll demonetize. I would have just responded with GROC is woke.

That's what your response would have been if you were opening a GROC is woke. GROC is woke. I mean, GROC just feels like such a lazy afterthought of a competitor that he just cobbled together because they... Well, it's the everything app, so you need everything. That's true. Also, I really apologize if my breath smells. I just, I feel like it stinks.

I can taste it. It's okay. It's the Zins. tell you, it's fucking zins. I hope to God they never outlaw those things. And you know what else? They make me feel cool when I do them. Do they? Yeah. No, they don't.

Not at all. They make me feel horrendously anxious. Like there's impending doom just around every corner. So, yeah, basically Elon says that when they incorporated the company in Delaware in 2015, he says that the

certificate of incorporation itself memorialized this founding agreement, but there was no actual legal agreement. It was just basically a handshake deal that, hey, we're going to agree to, like, do this, right? And then when they... They filed like a certain... Right.

Yeah, us starting our LLC. Hey, we're never going to make the show suck, right? And then inevitably, you know, not inevitably, but God forbid, you part ways and I continue doing the show and it starts to suck. You'd be like, hey, I'm suing you now. You said you'd never let it suck. You'd said you'd never let it suck, and here I am.

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if you catch my drift. But also didn't he give them like a ton of money to start it? So that's part of the thing. So they also continue. Just have to continue here. Quote, seeing the remarkable technological advances Open AI has achieved,

Musk now wants that success for himself. So he brings this action accusing defendants, Open AI, of breaching a contract that never existed and duties Musk was never owed demanding relief calculated to benefit a competitor to open AI because as the blog that they posted reveals things changed so I just want to pull this up because this is the this is the open AI post I feel like I should read it because it pretty succinctly sums everything up it's a really short read in late 2017 we and Elon decided the next step for the mission was

to create a for-profit entity. So they started out saying, hey, we're not going to do non-profit. But then a couple years later, they, with Elon, said we're going to do for-profit. Elon wanted majority equity, initial board control, and to be CEO. He's a bit of a control freak.

Yeah, he is. In the middle of these discussions, he withheld funding. So basically he's saying, well, if you don't give me these things I want, I'm not going to fund you. Reed Hoffman bridged the gap to cover salaries and operations.

We couldn't agree to terms on a for-profit with Elon because we felt it was against the mission for any individual to have absolute control over Open AI, as Elon presumably would have. Elon then suggested instead merging Open AI into Tesla. Insane. In early, well, not that insane, because in early February 2018, Elon forwarded us in email suggesting that Open AI should, quote, attach to Tesla as its cash cow, commenting that it was, quote, exactly right.

Tesla is the only path that could even hope to hold a candle to Google. Even then, the probability of being a counterweight to Google is small. It just isn't zero. So Elon was saying, hey, you guys are going to need a ton of cash. Why not merge with Tesla? And we'll be your cash cow. We'll give you all the cash you need. But even then, we're probably not even going to succeed.

Google's probably going to mop the fucking floor with us. So then it goes on. It says, Elon soon chose to leave Open AI saying that, our probability of success was zero and that he planned to build an AGI competitor within Tesla. When he left in late February 2018, he told our team he was supportive of us finding our own path to raising billions of dollars. In December 2018, Elon sent us an email saying, even raising several hundred million won't

be enough. This needs billions per year or forget it. And then they've got this email from him. The day after Christmas, 2018, a very short email. Elon says, my probability assessment of open AI being relevant to DeepMind slash Google without a dramatic change in execution and resources is 0%. Not 1%, I wish it were otherwise. Even raising several hundred million won't be enough. This needs billions per year immediately or forget it.

Unfortunately, humanity's future is in the hands of redacted, but it's, it's Sergey Brin. So, these emails are pretty critical for. open AI's case because they suggest that Elon agreed that open AI's mission didn't mean that they would share all the tech, including AGI, because they later changed their minds. They decided that, hey, we're going to have to be for profit. And he was part of that decision. The only reason he left is because he didn't get to have his way. The only reason that he left is because he didn't have his way. And now he's coming back and throwing all this shit that isn't going to stick. And yeah, Ilya Sutskiever had said in emails to Elon in 2016 that everyone should

benefit from AI, but that as they got closer to AGI, it would be okay to not share the science. Like, hey, as we're getting closer to this thing, maybe we should keep the tech just to ourselves as a company. And Elon wrote back, yep. So basically, he's suing them for being for-profit the very thing the emails show he wanted to do years ago also what a fun guy just sending an email my my probability assessment my how did you crunch those numbers he got zero percent on his on his probability assessment yeah well he's a he's a numbers guy man he's did you see in the did you watch the don lemon interview no i couldn't bear to uh it's honestly pretty awful just like two of the worst people but he's uh he does this thing where he's like eyes

quickly dart back and forth. Sure. But just small movements. And it's like, it was the most... They're like shaking. I wonder if it's a product. I mean, I couldn't even begin to try to do it. It's just...

And it would be when he was thinking about something. They were like, he would do those long pauses and look off and... Yeah. The brain is calculating. The thing about all of this open AI stuff and these Elon emails, it hit me like a ton of brain. which is that they were having these conversations in 2016, 17, and 18. It is now 2024.

ChatGPT is not even two years old. They were seeing the future all those years ago. They had the, it's not that they had the ability to see the future. They've got the power, the technological means, and the financial means to shape our future. And they were talking about it all those years ago. And that scares me because it means that Elon was right. He was talking about this shit years ago, AI this, AI, that. And it was just, for the rest of us, it just felt like, oh, yeah, that's just another pipe dream that could, you know, who knows.

But now that it's actually here, it makes me wonder what else he could be right about in terms of going to Mars. But I feel like he's right in the sense that he was like right about full self. drive it's like sure that's what i thought and but and now we're getting there with like waymo it's just that he's not the one to to bring it about but are we it's like every other week fucking waymo uh has a new as waymo problems i mean truly there's like a video of uh SFPD like you know holding a gun at it like do do not back up and and then the waymo just like drives over a fire hydrogen and water spraying everywhere like i i feel like saying you know where they is not. I don't think we're there, but I think that it's evident that we're a lot closer

than a lot of us think or thought. And it just, it freaks me out that these unelected people have so much power and influence over our way of life and for millions of jobs and entire industries. And it's just, who says that these guys get to do this? Like, I mean, even just where we're at now and where we've been with smartphones, these highly, highly addictive, clearly mentally destructive things for people of all ages, but now they've gotten too big to the point where we can feasibly do anything about them because they're the size of entire country's GDPs. Yeah. And they're also so deeply intertwined with millions and millions of Americans' retirement accounts

because they're in, you know, ETFs and Vanguard funds that are hooked in to Google and Microsoft and Apple and shit. And it's like, oh, man. I just think... We're in the Matrix, man. We're plugged in. I'm starting to

like lose my patience for the like AI is the future. We've stumbled upon this. I don't, like when it was all coming out, And we were getting surprised by the things it could do. It did feel like, oh, my God, are we there?

Like, do we have to worry about the paperclip problem where the AI is going to be? But it's just all so goofy. And, like, no one is really finding this practical use for it except for making dumb songs, making, you know, mashing up IP and stuff like that. And, you know, I don't know if you saw that tweet about the guy going through how, his parents ordered him and his wife a crock pot on Amazon and it came with a cookbook

that's just like clearly AI thing. No, I didn't see that. And it's just, and then someone was talking about Google just unveiled vlogger, a tool that generates a lifelike talking videos with a single photo

and it's just obviously awful. Yeah, who's going to be making that? LinkedIn people? I don't even know. I don't have time to vlog. I'm just going to have an AI do it and use my face and then make a video of my face.

Good luck, fucker. fuck you for doing that but i hope you're i hope you're linked in i feel like this this fear thing just kind of like helps them and like plays into their their hand of like we're almost there like you should be scared of how powerful this thing is like it's so out of control we can't even control it and and then it's like um we made us we we made uh house of the rising sun but it's just farts we the lyrics are farts and we're like okay that sounds pretty that sounds pretty amazing what else going to do well what what also freaks me out is his line about if we don't do it first then google's going to do it and so Elon in all his um even that it's like oh great so jemini

is just going to make like Thomas Jefferson black it's not that it's not that it's not that it's not that it's not that according to Elon but looking back and seeing the full picture now Elon basically what i gather from this is that Elon believes that his worldview supersedes everyone else's and that he alone has the right idea of what AI should be, how it should dictate, how it should affect the culture, it's his vision or nobody else's because only he has the capability of having the most altruistic views and the most utilitarian beneficial things, not Google, because Sergey Brin is building something different and his worldview is going to be incorporated to AI

and Elon doesn't like his worldview because he knows firsthand that it's going to be bad but Elon's worldview is the correct one that's what this all boils down to is who's which tech fucking billionaire savant's worldview are we going to get stuck with and it's clear from these open AI emails

that Elon wanted it to be him and when the rest of open AI pushed back and said no we think that that's dangerous because you're just one person and you shouldn't have all that power, as Kanye West famously said. He said, well, fine, then I'm not going to give you any money. And you're going to need a lot more anyway, so good luck. And then they got the money.

And now he's fucking is, we'll do it. Yeah, Microsoft's like, we'll do it. But speaking of shitty AI music, there's, it's gotten a lot. It's gotten, have you seen this? Yeah. Suno? All right, let's play this. This is, uh, it is very funny, but it's like, it's very funny.

This is all, this is the only successful kind of thing I've seen from... This guy says in his tweet, objective facts are the amazing iteration speed, sound and voice quality. Sure, it's undeniable. And seeing my own habits of increasingly going to Suno, which is this app over Spotify. So you, Aravind, Srinivas, you're really going to be fucking listening to this over Spotify?

Fine, do it. Yeah, honestly. Here. Wait, so this is, the prompt is make a song for a metal opera about waking up on a Monday. This day this day is so hard I just want to go back to bed And forget everything But I got to get up

And keep going Keep going Sounds like It sounds like shit to me To me that sounded like shit It's fucking awful Yeah that sounded like shit That's what it all, it's all just like a mashup of stuff we created.

I was watching them interview the woman who was heading up maybe like content moderation at what's the new one called SORA, the new open AI thing. Yeah. And they were just like asking her if they were, they were just straight up asking like, are you training this stuff on people's social media posts? No. Truly like, she was like, I'd have to look into it. it's like yes or no like just fully being like are you guys using people's YouTube videos and

she's like no and she finally says you know if it's available to the public it might be in use and they're just taking all of our shit and regurgitating it at us and it's just that like we're just going to watch this stuff all eat itself and make the internet like an unusable place and all these things we used to love about the internet will become just a fucking song about waking up on a Monday morning. I want to hear a song about boobs.com. It's all going to be fake boobs on boobs.com. It's all going to be just like AI hentai stuff.

Brutal. I remember a long time ago, I won't even save my relation to the person, but this woman was like, you know, I watched some tentacle porn the other day, and I liked it. And I was like, oh, that's, huh. I remember that Katie Perry.

Oh, you're an alien? No, I kiss the girl. Oh, can't do that. Can't piss off the algorithm. Can't sing a song. Wait, what did that have to do with? Because I said boobs.com turning into hentai, and she just was curious and watched it.

It was only a one-time thing. But so we got other AI news coming out. There was that shitty AI song that we just played. And considering how far it's come from Google's thing just last year, I mean, it's astounding. And I do wonder what tools these things are going to yield that are going to make the lives of legitimate artists and creators easier. Like for me, as someone who is, I don't even know if I could call myself a musician anymore, but a big problem I have is getting what's in my head out. And I don't possess the Monday morning song. Yeah, man.

Monday more however it went But I don't possess the musicianship To be able to do that And I'm curious if there is something Someday where AI is going to be able to fix that If I can just It would be so freaking awesome If I could just plug a thing into my brain

And just think the song And it'll transcribe it and make it That'd be nice I guess but like That'd be nice I also don't know if that's like a I mean that's just one stupid stupid anecdote So I can't believe that that fucking guy is like, I find myself listening to this.

More than Spotify. The robot Monday song. The robot having, talking about how it doesn't like Mondays. But that's exactly what we were joking about when that, when that guy. Because that's the prompt he put in. I know. But when Sora went live, we were joking about those fucking losers who were like, we are not so far off from a world where you can just say, um, Sora, make me breaking bad, but make it, uh, Brad Pitt and fucking Mr.

and fucking Travis Kelsey or whatever the fuck. Yeah, it was Travis Kelsey. And that sounds like shit to me. Yeah. But these guys are like, you know, I don't even need Spotify. I just tell this thing what I want. You know, I'm feeling like Monday sucks and I want to stay in bed. Play me a song.

Play me a metal opera about that. Can you make me the Monday sucks song but do it in reggae tone style? Reggae tone style. Boom. Boom. Well, I hate Mondays. And I don't know. We should.

convince these people to get in a dome we should just build a big dome in the middle of America we're like trust me you guys need this like this is going to be the AI dome yeah ooh should get in the dome they should build it on Mars man

send them all there with Elon we're doing a live concert on Mars it's going to be all of your favorites it's going to be all your favorite AI songs yeah we got the Monday song the I hate the rocket ride to Mars song done in reggae tone style okay so

Man, there's this other one that just got launched. There's all these different companies out there. There's this one called... And they all just talk to you in cool ways. No, this one's different. So this is funny because it was created by coders to put other coders out of work, presumably including themselves. It's called Devin.

Also, come up with a cooler name. Honestly. Arnold. That's pretty good. That's a pretty good one. Yeah. Or, I don't know. Devin, though?

Pussy killer. Sorry. I don't know what that one was. That's a boobobs.com name. So this was launched by something called Cognition Labs. And this is, oh wait, no, that's Claude that I got to get to. But basically it's an AI software engineer. And they're saying it has already successfully passed practical engineering interviews.

And it has completed real jobs on Upwork, which is a website for like coders and stuff. Yeah, but this is like when they were like, it took the SATs. But this is already so much more advanced. It's getting like 13% of it. It's getting 30, it correctly resolved 13.86% of issues on GitHub, unassisted, compared to the previous models. Which was at 1%. 1.96%. That's huge.

That 2% is horrible. Yeah, okay. 13% is so bad. But it was able, so some of the things that they put out, the accomplishments it had, it was able to learn how to use unfamiliar technologies. So that'd be like teaching it. time it'd be like teaching it how to use java and then it goes and like learns c++ on its own and they had it read a blog post to learn how to run this code that it was unfamiliar with i'm going to

fight ai they should they need to put it in some kind of some kind of a body body what kind of body you want something easy to kill so like a child yeah yeah uh okay so the the big the big bigger thing that scared the shit out of me when i really read into It's what they want, man. They want you to be scared. So there's some former open AI members who started a company called Anthropic. And they launched something called Claude 3. And Claude 3...

Don't ask what happened to Claude 1 and 2. Well, so it's got three models in ascending order of capabilities. There's haiku, sonnet, and opus. Each one is increasingly powerful. And they're saying that it whips the ass of ChatGPT for Turbo. because they put a freaking turbocharger on it. So, all right, this is, oh man, it fucking, I don't, there's so much I have to say about this.

Call me when Dolly can fucking spell. When I get, it doesn't, it can't. I give it the thing I wanted to say, and it's like, like this. Do you really have a very, no, not like that, you dumb fuck? All right, so there's a test that they can give to an AI, and it's called the needle in the haystack test. And basically the haystack is, just heaps and heaps of data and articles and things. And then the needle is just one completely

random out-of-context statement, right? So in this case, the haystack was documents about software programming, entrepreneurship strategies, and finding fulfilling careers. Just like, I don't know how many terabytes of information about that. And then the needle was just one randomly inserted statement about the best pizza toppings being figs, prosciutto, and goat cheese, which is also the, it pisses me off that they said that that was the best pizza toppings because that is the most Bay Area Coder fucking, has millions of dollars in Nvidia equity statement that the best pizza topping is figs, prosciutto, and goat cheese. Suck my dick.

It's fucking pepperoni and mushroom and pineapple. Don't even fucking start with me. Don't start with me, okay? It's cheese, pepperoni, mushrooms. Okay, there, fine. Onions are fine. But if you're getting on figs and prosciutto, you're going into a whole different realm, a world of hurt.

So just, it's good, it's tasty. Right? Figs and prosciutto. Yeah. Also, goat cheese freaks me out. Have you seen one of those things? I'm not trying to milk that and get his cheese. But cow stuff.

But cow letters, you're like, fine. Yeah. Why? Because they're big dogs. No. It's okay to drink it. You ever seen one up close? A cow utter?

Yeah. Dude, those things are engorged. We're doing them a favor. Trust me. Getting it out of them. Jeez, Louise. I've been following this guy on TikTok who lives on a farm with, and he's got a cow that just like wanders around in his kitchen and it'll come up and just eat his pancakes and stuff.

Remember that lady who was always yelling at that emu or something? Oh, yeah. TikTok. Oh, so great. And she was like, whatever its name is, Raymond. Yeah, it's something like that. Carl or do not

Emmanuel Emmanuel yeah Emmanuel oh it's so good no you don't like it it's so heartwarming their parents like died and left them that farm and they're these Christian girls

who mine the farm it's great man I just for some reason like because I'm not on TikTok it comes over to Twitter for like a day and I just get like inundated with some lady going Emmanuel don't you dare

Emmanuel do not I mean he really is a son of a bitch that he's a rascal He's a rascal. He's a rascal. Okay, so they gave Claude this, just all this data, and they gave it one random statement that was out of context. And it found it, which is not the big deal.

The big deal is that it wrote, this is a quote from Claude, I suspect this fact about the pizza, may have been inserted as a joke or to test if I was paying attention since it doesn't fit with the other topics at all. And what this shows is that it demonstrated self-reflective reasoning and inference. No. Or, in other words, metacognition. But it did, though.

This is what Ben Affleck and Matt Damon did with the Good Bowl hunting script. They put the scene of them sucking each other off. Oh, right. To see if any of the executives would notice? None of them did. Harvey Weinstein... came out and was like, I liked it, but what about that? Does that mean you support Harvey Weinstein?

Me? Yeah, I think that's tantamount to you saying free Harvey Weinstein. Careful, careful. That's it. He was the only producer that actually read this script is the lesson, which is such a bold, cool move of Ben Hoofleck and Matt Beeman. I also don't even know if that's a true story. I believe it.

There were a couple Bostonians. They were, um, they wanted to make this. thing with the best people but oops so anyway it's that that uh clod showing that um cognitive ability is really equal parts impressive and scary to me because it's it's on par with a kind of touring test so that makes me wonder like does it have access to the whole internet and it was able to see and learn about what the touring test is because it can go hey this thing is not like the other it's not that it's saying it's not this thing is not like the other it's pointing out like hey why did you guys do that i think this might be a test right is this a joke or is it a test otherwise a good

computer would just say hey here's the thing that doesn't match the others it's it saying why why did you guys do this? Why are you, I'm smarter than this? Why are you? Because it's like trained on all these model, on all this data to talk like that. I get what you're saying, but do you get what I'm saying? Yes, that it was able to identify something within a larger document. Right. But beyond that is the fact that it's saying why. It's either in there. It's either in there as a joke or you guys are testing me. Right. Yeah. But for it to infer the possibility, of it being a test or a joke is a level, it's like a level up of intelligence. But I agree with you because that's what makes me go, well, what qualifies as intelligence? What if it's using,

if it's using just like a large language model, it's basically just a rudimentary model of our own cognition, right? Because our own knowledge is in many ways limited to what we experience via our senses we read we um listen we taste we smell and all that shit we taste we smell and all that shit but like the computer's basically on hell and keller mode right now it can't see or hear but it can read and thereby understand basically what i'm saying is this a i is on hell in keller mode what it can take in data for sure yeah but so i'm just saying it raises the question for me and I'm not saying I have an answer or that this is a definitive outcome,

but it raises a question of what constitutes consciousness and what is just a computer spitting back at you variances on the inputs that you've given it. Right. And when you do define that, you can apply that same definition to many human experiences

and many human ways to define consciousness. It's like, well, I'm conscious because I'm aware and I'm pulling in information. Well, the AI is pulling in information. And that's what's scary to me is ultimately, I don't know that we'll ever be able to fully know or believe that AGI has been attained. It's going to just be that picture of the little kid with the gun crying.

Holding it at AI. Here's the other thing. Claude has a world view. Oh, I'm sure. But if you read, it's too long to read, but it's not that long, but it's pretty fucking impressive and scary. This is like when I read the fucking, when I read the Google guy who got fired because he was like, AI is real and I'm in love with it.

Oh, right. Well, so the one that I can share, because it's a lot more wholesome, this guy asked Claude, I know we're, yeah, I asked Claude three opus to create a self-packing portrait in code, but each time try a little bit harder. And the first one is just this happy face on a block, and it says Claude. Very cute. And then he asks it to try harder, and it now has a body, and it says, Claude, the helpful bot.

And now it's a video one. Oh, wait. Yeah, now the little buttons light up. And while you're doing, the guy says, I want you to try much harder. Try a little, try harder this time. And it says, Claude's AI mind. and in the center is a pulsing dot and outside of it it's got these other dots

one says technology, math, science, history, arts, philosophy and then here try a little bit harder and it gets just suddenly very abstract there's like a spiral it gets fucking look at this shit it was like okay I'm gonna make I'm gonna show what I'm doing and it's like I couldn't even express that

as a as a function of my own intelligence. I don't think this is any kind of like evidence of... I don't know, but it's interesting to me. That's all I'm saying is it's interesting. So like here's one, the essence of Claude. I think it's interesting that this computer and, like, it's reminiscent of when they do... It was very funny.

People would be like, I told Chat GPT to make me like a silly goose or whatever and then kept saying like make it silly or make it silly, make it silly. Oh, right, right. True. Well, and then the last AI news is Apple is in negotiations to license to license Google's Gemini AI technology. Yeah, which is not a done deal. And I think they also have the ability to maybe partner with Open AI as well.

Right. And it's actually really smart on Apple's part because anything that Siri or Apple's native AI won't be able to answer, they'll punt it over to Google, and then if that Google one fucks up or does anything, they'll just be able to say, well, it's Google's fault, not ours. But also, I think that it shows that Apple is woefully far behind on AI because they just acquired like 32 AI startups and what have they got to show for it, you know? Nothing. They got their dick in their hand using Gemino.

Speaking of dicks in hands. Also, I didn't know they fucking, it's something like $18 billion a year they're paying for Oh, that's insane. To have, not for the AI, to use Google search on the iPhone. Oh, wow. I wanted to see what the people thought of this AI or this Apple Google deal. And this guy... When you say the people, you mean Isaac Benjamin Maga?

Yeah, this guy, Isaac Benjamin Maga. Big L for Apple. I will stop using their devices if this woke AI is integrated into their ecosystem. Okay. So I thought that that was pretty great. So that would be a big L for Apple. They're probably fucked. Good luck getting anything without.

Oh, you want to do the crypto stuff? I, I, I, the, the crypto, the crypto thing is happening now. So what I teased at the beginning is finally here. But before we get into that, also we're fucking, we're back in like 2020 crypto shit. Oh, yeah. People are scamming. Oh, it's fucking on, dude. We're at all-time highs.

It's on. Bitcoin and Ethereum are back up. Yeah. Shit coins are happening. It's fucking rock. Stinky winky. So there was something fun that happened last week. Was it last week?

Yeah, it was last week. There was a, there was someone who sold a thousand bitcoins that they hadn't touched since 2010. They mined them, presumably on a laptop. Someone, someone had the foresight to mine Bitcoin in 2010 and had the balls to hold it this entire time. What does it take? Forsight and balls. Forsight and balls. and they just sold them for $60 million, however much a thousand,

yeah, like $60, $65 million, which is just unbelievable to me. I mean, that's, that's, it just kind of, it gives me a weird feeling to know that there's someone out there who, who accumulated life-changing amounts of wealth in just 10 years by just clicking a couple buttons on their computer and then doing nothing. It was foresight and balls, though, actually. Forsight and balls. It reminds me of Carlos Alcoraz, one Indian Wells, and he wrote, they always write something when they win a match on the camera,

and then they show it to you after. And he wrote, boobs.com. I wish. He wrote CCC, which means Cabeza, Corzon, Cajones. Love that. That is cool. Head, heart, and balls. Yeah, you need it all.

Yeah. You truly do. You need it all. so the meme coins are back also that's the that's the big deal and what is a meme coin it's just a fucking joke that's it sometimes pays off big time interior thing it's just if you if you can successfully capture the zeitgeist or the attention of the zeitgeist out there if that even makes sense you're going to have a successful meme coin and there was one that was called G.O. Bowden.

Instead of Joe Biden, G.O. Bowden. And it's just like a stupid-looking caricature of Joe Biden. And this one guy bought $260 worth. And it turned into over $423,000. That's what I call Forsyton Balls, baby. That's Forsyton. That's CCC right there. And then you had this guy who really blew up this last couple of weeks. NFT Nick.

We love this king. NFT Nick is, well, he first... Someone come a freak, a loser? Yeah, he definitely was bullied in high school. He's on a boat, clearly in, like, Miami. For the audio listener, imagine if Joe Camel,

the old Camel's cigarette's mascot and Homer Simpson were a real person. Oh, wow, that is really nice. Thank you. He's wearing a linen shirt and trunks, and... With a 5-inch inseam.

Yeah, here we go. Yo, they said that Moonbirds wasn't acquired. He had a... I can't even understand. Yo, they said that Moabarts

wasn't acquired. Moonbirds. Moonbirds. Moonbirds was, I think, the project that he started that provides zero utility. Just nothing. It's just a fucking nothing thing.

They said Coolcast would stay independent. They said FileCoin wasn't a buy at $5. They said, D-Gods would get a $20,000 airdraft from Wormhole. They said Daniel Allegra is a great CEO. They said Bodagos isn't the top NFT project. They said Peoples wasn't the fucking bleeples and the tinkles and the fun the bingles.

They said that no bingles could have ever made their way into the bojingles. But they was wrong. Also, what is this accent? Keep down. Look at us now. oh yeah yeah dude it's hard to not see him as a simpson's character now i know i know i couldn't place what it was before but he's fully he looks like a simpson of fucking human yeah look at my notes i put mf look like homer simpson or joe campbell it's so weird here's another video no no did he delete

this one oh no here he goes twitter seemed to be amused by my success i worked hard to buy that yeah i worked hard he claims that he bought is he trolling us that i think he's i think he's i think at this point he's got to be because someone pointed out there's no way he bought this house because like when the video first starts someone pointed out that like oh do you always just like have your suitcases and camera equipment by the door and then in another video on the yacht there's clearly a release form like on the table behind yeah okay by my success i worked hard to buy that yeah i worked hard to buy this big ass house yet you're out there there's literally there's no

in this house tweeting at me from your tiny little apartment and itty-bitty couch well let me tell you I made a mindset shift I chose rich every time it's superimposed on there do you see that yeah so what life you're gonna choose it just like it reveals the most pathetic fool you've ever seen what mindset you gonna choose yo they don't They said that dog buppers weren't going to make no money, but then the buppers went out straight to it. I can't do it. Here's another video.

We just got it. I can't get enough. It's 5 a.m. and you're still in bed? You're hearing that snooze, buddy? Still making excuses? You're choosing poor. You still listen to those people and say you're going to amount to nothing?

I love the guy in his, uh, in the reflection of his glove. glasses just holding the phone. Dude. That guy on Twitter who said your face to look like a tomato. Yeah. Fuck those people. Pulling the work. Get that sweat.

Screw the haters. And choose rich. Oh man. This guy, it's like dark. We gotta get him on the show. He's like the start of a like a Batman villain or something. We need him on the show. But like one of those Batman villains who's been doing.

his own thing. He's not going after Batman. Batman comes to have to stop him. Yeah. Yeah. What you doing, Batman? You what's your problem? You didn't buy enough shoe coins. I'm choosing rich. I'm choosing rich, bitch. Stupid ass bitch. I bet you wish your parents was alive. NFT, Nick. Okay, so here's the big thing. Come on the show. So yeah, come on the show. We're going to invite him on. So there was a perfect meme coin that just happened. I'm talking you could not have invented a more perfect scenario for a meme coin it was called it is called slurf s l-e-r-f and it is uh it's a shit coin that this guy made and he just majorly majorly fucked up does it does it stand for something it doesn't stand for anything it's just a fucking life it's a stupid right it's a from your

ass no it's a it's a stupid sloth it's a cartoon sloth that looks like a dip shit and so this guy slurf by the same name obviously he and his little team uh i think they're called um slurf lords no like box box or something i don't know what their little squad is called but they created this meme coin called slurf and they do a pre-sale where basically if you're cool and in the know you get to buy it before the public does meaning you get to be the one to sell it to those poor schmucks who are hoping that they will subsequently have another poor schmucks a classic crypto movie Yeah. So they sold $10 million worth to 25,000 buyers of this pre-coin or this pre-sale. And then the other half was supposed to go on sale Sunday. But then this guy's slurf fucked up. And instead of distributing these new coins, he deleted the old ones that had already been sold. Not only that, but he somehow locked himself out. So $10 million was just vaporized.

Incredible. Couldn't undo it. He couldn't get back in to like fix it. And he went on, yeah, he accidentally deleted the pre-sale tokens while releasing the new ones and revoked his ownership of the coin. So he couldn't mint any replacements. So everybody who bought was just fucked. And then he was tweeting, he just tweeted, oh, fuck. that was like the big meme that took place

but then something amazing happened he went on a Twitter spaces which is like a live broadcast you can do on Twitter and it was very funny and I've got a clip of it so here he is talking oh wait this isn't the one and you can imagine it's all a bunch of

oh I was listening last night it's fucking ridiculous it's all cartoon characters talking to each other of course yeah basically so here he is now there's thousands of us who've lost millions. Now there's thousands of us who've lost millions and I feel better about it now that you've come up here and taken responsibility, man. I'm going to be a richer man from it. Not from money, obviously, but... This is another guy. This is another guy talking to slurf. I'm going to be a

richer man, because not from money, but from experience. The hell is this guy saying, bro? 10 mill just got drained from random people, bro. No one cares about accountability. You don't care about fucking being a better man no bro hey you don't care about being a better man i care about the 10 mil that random people just lost bro a lot of people ate a ton of money that they worked hard for on the shit bro this is not real none of this is real we're in a fucking simulation bro like you're fucking oh my wait wait wait listen to what he says next like you're fucking a child pfp i'm a piece of bread his his his picture is a piece of bread so he's like you're a fucking

I'm a piece of Brit None of this is real And the main guy Slurf was like He was on there crying He kept on Wait He was big of it

He was crying He was apologizing He said he hadn't slept in like 48 24 48 hours And he just sounds like this He's just like Oh guys This is how he sounds.

Oh, yeah, this is fucking, I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. But then, so people rallied around him, and they all started donating. They raised another $10 million. Yes, they donated money into a fund that this guy then apparently used to make those previous buyers whole again. And so the entire meme coin community has just rallied around this guy and it been like, yo dude you fucked up but you're owning it and it's fucking awesome they're so fucking

how are they finding out this may i don't i don't know but so wounds so what the fuck is going on someone uh someone tweeted let's see what the fbi i thinks of this situation and slurf responded please don't i'm working to refund everyone the guy the guy tagged the fbi interpoles CIA uh but then fucking so it started to really work everybody started to go oh this is actually hilarious this in itself is becoming a meme therefore let's launch slurf 2.0 essentially oh good so they did and it's already out there and you know how much volume it it traded over two billion dollars worth in just the last couple days that you remember beeple no beeple the fucking nfts oh yeah artist he made a tweet that says the rise of slurf and it's just the fucking

the stupid drooling cartoon sloth and people were going oh this is fucking epic so everybody on I was listening to the spaces last night for like an hour should I throw that in there I snorted some ketamine

and I was listening to it and I was just like I was trying to speak so that I could ask him like hey could you come on her show but you're in a cahole yeah but everybody was just sucking them off slurve I got a question

everybody they would go to there was this one like British guy overseeing it all and he goes oh fam this is just fucking epic like i can't believe you fucked up like this but it's so epic the way the community is rallying around you and that's what the community is all about right like we're all just our tards right we're all just in here just to like fuck around and this is so stupid but it's like epic at the same time and they were all talking about how they're all going to get rich they're all talking about the oh fuck tweet as like a new meme they should put it on shirts and on sweatshirts and they should nfti that oh my god

We're so fucking back. Dude, they said, yeah, they were just saying this whole thing is the perfect example of what the meme coin culture is all about. We've all got each other's backs and we're all going to make it. And there was one guy, I swear, I just wrote down this quote. He said, we're not just fraud scams. We have integrity. I mean, I'm obsessed with this quote.

This guy apes fat bags into coins like slurf. Yeah, there was one guy, there was a Chinese guy who came on and he said, oh, you know, I think I'm going to ape about a million bags. He was basically saying, I'm going to buy a million dollars worth of slurf just to back it just so, like, we can all rally around it. And then when he was done speaking, this other guy, they're all trying to make slurf feel better. And they're seeing like, see, man, see what you've done? Like, you've created this amazing thing. This guy apes fat bags into coins like stuff.

It's just such a fucking line. Oh, but so at the same time. I need to get in touch with these guys. Tell them I need to be made felt better. Made to feel... If you look at the Solana, so these, these meme coins, anybody can mint them. All you need is like $20,000 of startup capital, I guess. And then he slurs that into fat bags.

There's hundreds of these things that get launched every day. And the hope is that you're creating something that has enough cultural staying power to make people excited to buy it. So you can then ape fat bags. So that you too can ape a fat bag. bag but there was one called dog with hat W-I-F I mean the original is kind of like the dog coin yeah yeah that was the start of it OG meme coin are you really ready to get mad yeah around the same time there was some unknown NFT artist raised 30 million dollars in a pre-sale this last weekend

for a for a meme coin called Smol S-M-O-L-E and then there was another guy named Kiro who raised $10 million for another meme coin I can't believe we're bad I cannot believe we're back that's what they were all saying too they were like this reminds me in 2020 this reminds me in 2020 I can't believe it's happening just everybody going super bullish the market cap on slurf is only 800 million dollars it could go to the billions in and I'm listening to this just going these guys are just talking about they're all going to jail I really hope so and there was one guy who asked there was a woman actually she was in like Indonesia she goes slurf are you scared to go to jail and all the other guys go whoa whoa

Whoa, why would you ask him that? He feels bad enough. He feels bad enough. He hasn't slept in 48 hours. And you're going to ask him if he's afraid to go to jail. And then there was one kid who said, have you told your mom about this? And so the Slurf guy goes, uh, yeah, I haven't really told my mom yet. But, you know, uh, she knows something's going on because she, she's, so presumably he lives at home.

Well, not for long. It's slurs, faping fat bags into a new house, maybe. Oh, God, I just can't wait to slurf a... Wait, ape a fat bag into slurs. You don't want to hear the worst part? I bought some slurf. I had to buy salerno, transfer it to a phantom wallet, this other wallet, and then have it...

And then go on... And then go on Jupiter, which is a swap thing, and swap my salina for slurf. I bought it... I aped in at $1.10, and I was at like $80. sense so oh someone's not aping into fat bags i i wish i could ape into a fat bag but i don't know the first thing about slurf um and there's so one more scam you got to see because this one's probably the best this guy aspires to be on slurf level um this is uh this guy has a ticot

channel apparently he's he's known as crypto chaos and he's he's pumping a he's a bald white guy who looks to be about 50 years old with shitty glass And let's just hear it. Let's hear what he's got to say. The next crypto that's going to go 10,000 X. Oh, if you want to become a millionaire, that's a lot of money, okay? Guys, if you took, he breaks up the iPhone calculator. I love it. So now he's got the iPhone calculator.

What is his background? What's he in front of him? He's green screened in front of a van. A news camera van. Yeah, and he's got this fake crawl at the bottom showing breaking news. He didn't edit out the. Oh, yeah. He just didn't even notice that.

For the audio listener, he's got a breaking news graphic at the bottom, and you're meant to tap to edit the text. It says tap to edit, so he didn't even bother putting in text. He's got his calculator. He's breaking out to show us how much money you could make. $10,000 and multiplied it by, 0.0. I mean, honestly, good at math. No fucking way. No way. No way. I didn't even see it.

I mean, honestly, good at math, okay? This crypto is going to make millionaires. The coin is none other than helium mobile. Now on coinbase. Yeah, the other helium was a Ponzi. They made you buy all these stupid miners. But throw out all that stupid utility. Nobody cares. Oh, wait, throw out all the utility. This is fake, right? I don't think so. I can't fucking know. I mean, you guys might be able to afford some shirts offline.

Link in the bio. No, he's not joking. He's 100% not joke. I think he's 100% joking. He, there's no, dude, the way he just says Lincoln bio, and how he's shilling a shirt that says crypto chaos, the name of his shitty show, buy a shirt, this guy's 100% serious. I don't know.

But throw out all that stupid utility. Nobody cares. This thing reaches. I mean, you guys might be able to afford some shirts off life. Link in the bio. That guy does not seem like he's possesses. You know, we're back when you can't tell if these TikToks are real or fake. I'm going fake.

I'm going real, man. I'm going real. I'm going real for sure. Dude, I think part of the whole thing with, hey, I don't know math is just like, fuck it, man, ape into some fat bags on some slurf. I mean, I guess. There will be a bunch of, a bunch more stories of people making money and shit. There were guys on the thing talking about how they'd been making,

oh yeah, man, I threw down 100 grand on it. Just these guys who have all this money because they all know each other, they trust each other, they get in on it. They all scheme together to like rug pull innocent people out there like myself who fucking was overcome with just like, you know what? Maybe they're right about slurf. Maybe it will because they're talking about it. Maybe slurf does ape into fat bags.

but it's they were all throwing around all the lingo talking about like oh you're a chad for doing this it was just the the cringiest thing you could imagine i mean that guy saying the the way they respect him for just coming out and being like yeah i'm a fucking idiot and i fucked up oh and they kept calling him an idiot too they were like yeah bro you are an idiot but like i respect you But that guy saying, I'm now richer, maybe not monetarily, but inexperienced. Well, that was before they came out with the follow-up coins. So presumably that guy ended up actually making some money. Yeah.

Because he aped it into some bags on fat coins. He slurfed into some meme coins. Also, there was someone, just the final thing here, just to speak to the sometimes unpredictable volatility of Bitcoin. Someone had a $10,000, you know, Bitcoin's at like $6,000. 68,000, 65,000 right now. Did he briefly go above 70? Yes. Someone had a bid for 10,000 on this exchange called Bitmex, and it got filled.

Someone dumped like 400 Bitcoin, and it, for some reason, just like skipped all the way down to this guy's thing, and he got filled at 10,000. But how? A glitch? I don't know, but he woke up to aping into a fat bag. Truly. unbelievable this is going to be such a frustrating yeah oh it already is slurf i just can't believe we're back it's it's ridiculous well folks um if you like aping fat bags into coins like slurf leave a comment and let us know yeah let us know if you like aping fat bags and we're going to do the

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