The Ben and Emil Show - BAES 43: The Perfect Crime just went down

Episode Date: April 11, 2024

The biggest cash heist in American history took place on Easter Sunday and nobody's talking about it. We're covering all the details, plus a few other crazy heists from over the years. PLUS, did you know that all these AI companies are going to fully run out of data by 2026? What will happen then? What will they do? Will it be legal? All of that and more on this week's episode. Thanks for being here! Also our bonus episode this week is so good, as it is every week. Head to https://benandemilshow.com and sign up! All our previous episodes are in there too. Here's the link for Moomoo mentioned in the first few minutes! Get that Signup offer! Click the link to get a "Mag 7" fractional share bundle for deposits or 1.5% Cash Reward match ($300 max) on transfers: https://j.moomoo.com/00MbzJ __ This week's sponsor is Notion! Try Notion AI for free at https://notion.com/baes __ Watch the Meatball Special 2 here: https://youtu.be/klaNlKWM2Go See our episode from last week here: https://youtu.be/z1irpgxCTyQ Watch the Taco Bell Taste Test here: https://youtu.be/5wsoc5pieuA This episode (and every episode) was masterfully edited by Dillon Moore. Check him out at https://www.dillonmoore.co and @ dillonmoore on IG We're on instagram. @ benandemilshow @ bencahn @ emilderosa and @ dillonmoore Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Here I am at the site of the earthquake at Metropolitan Seafood. They're having a sale on fish. Come on down. The fish fell all over the floor. So come down and get a good deal on some fish. I'm getting some fried calamari, New England clam chowder, and maybe some shrimp scampy. Lebanon, New Jersey, baby. This is where it's at.

welcome episode 43 that made me feel right at home i wanted to give you that because i i wanted you to i know it probably was painful being so far away from home oh yeah when everybody was experiencing the earthquake last week i know it's old news for everybody but i i just had to save that because it happened like i don't even remember what day and and with all that new jersey's been through it's uh all the revenue from this show is going to relief efforts in in new jersey from the earthquake uh we are stronger than the storm i wonder if that's true though if this guy's if the seafood place he was at had fish all over the floor and stuff no way you don't think so so you think he was kidding i think it it shook some stuff but there's no way everything fell out and even then like

why can't they just put it back yeah pick up the fish pick up the fish i think he's joking You know a New Jersey, a New Jersey dad loves a good joke. Plus, you can't, well, yeah, shrimps can't be, that meat needs to be cooked. Yeah, fried calamari. Yeah, okay. Dang, I got taken. I got taken for a ride. Welcome, everybody, to episode 43, the Ben-Hum meals show.

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I think it's so cool. It's the biggest heist in American history. The biggest heist ever in America, the biggest cash heist. We're going to be going into the details on that. And then we're also going to be covering the AI scrapers. They're running out of data. They're getting backed into a corner. It might blow up.

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And we can't say too much, but if you haven't signed up, you're missing out. Everyone, everyone's getting insane stuff and you're just sitting there going, duh. Yeah. Well, speaking of the, I also had to share this from none of the, none other than Marjorie Taylor Green. they speaking of the none of the marmdry taylor green and i just it i think it perfectly encapsulates how dumb um some not only people some people in america are but uh just how dumb some of the people who are our elected representatives are she had this to say about um the eclipse and about the earthquake god is sending america strong signs to tell us to repent earthquakes and eclipses and many more things to come. I pray that our country listens. There's a lot to unpack there. It's so,

I think she's right. It's so America-centric to, you think she's right? I do hope our country listens. And repents? Yeah. I didn't believe her until New Jersey got hit by an earthquake, and then I said, hold on. Yeah, a tiny little earthquake and one little part of America. I said, hold on, Italian Americans are in danger. Oh, that's, oh, oh, I think that's, uh, I think that's, uh, Yeah, okay, sure. They're in danger of what, getting heartburn? Of fish falling out of fucking things. Oh, geez, fish falling out of things.

I love the community note on this. Monday's eclipse was predicted hundreds of years ago. It will not have been caused by contemporary actions. And then earthquakes occur naturally and happen on average more than 30 times a day across the world, although many are too subtle to feel. It's just really... But do they happen to Mommy's Little Meatball? No.

so something's up she did she did go on to say some stupid shit like uh also speaking of the eclipse we're going to be going to go see a total eclipse in tejas and we're going to be talking all about that i don't in the bonus and if you want to if you want to see that that is at ben and amel show dot com yeah i got emotional he's not shaking my hand oh is that what you were doing give me a cold fish what are you winning them fish the fell thing hey emil i've got a question for you what is what is the perfect crime um what's the perfect crime uh volunteering to do the laundry in your house so you can um touch your girlfriend's dirty underwear because she thinks you're doing a good

chore but you also get to sniff her underwear wait wait wait wait so you're volunteering to do laundry at your own house you seem good and for some reason your girlfriend you're also throwing in your girlfriends well you're doing the laundry the house laundry yeah and okay so you're taking that opportunity to sniff your girlfriend's underwear she's a girlfriend why don't she just let you take it well i guess it's kind of weird okay so uh try again though that's not that is a pretty good crime yeah thank you you're getting away with it certainly uh what what's the what's the other one what can you think of that's a perfect crime yeah um just tell you?

No. You know what I think a perfect crime would be? And I want to do that. Every time I'm flying, I'm thinking about it. Stealing one of the life vests from under the seat. How come more people don't do this? It's a victimless crime. It really is, unless you're this poor sep sitting in that seat when it then crashes into

body of water and you need it. Yeah, I'm surprised more like stupid influencers and streamers aren't taking those things. and oh don't give them don't give them any ideas no do it I think you should do it perfect crime come on taking extra capture package I the answer is robbing a bank oh I was on I was thinking different things I guess like like I shouldn't say robbing a bank but in this in this case robbing a giant here's the thing I got so jacked up about this because in my mind for a long time I've I've been upset because I was like crimes are all the good crimes are done.

There's so much there's so much. Kind of like how every part of the world has already been explored. Yeah, but you can't even, there's, there's cameras everywhere, the technology, it's so easy to get caught. So I'm like you can't, and to see these young men, these heroes, get away with it. These heroes, oh man, we got, I really do salute these men because they didn't, they didn't. They didn't, so just before we get into it, they didn't hurt anybody, they didn't take anybody hostage. They were in and out.

Nobody even knew that they were. Nobody knew. Nobody knew. Nobody knew. And nobody still knows. Okay. So we got these, we got the mic set up different this episode so that they're further away and and thus more sensitive.

And I definitely saw the lines jump when it picked it up. Yeah. All right. So last week, or rather, sorry. Easter Sunday about $30 million in cash was nabbed Christ wasn't the only thing rising

that Easter Sunday if you know what I'm saying these boys bank accounts Actually I don't think that they're bank accounts That's going to be part of the Yeah but these boys paper stacks Oh yeah those things are rising Yeah or their blood pressure as they were

pulling this thing off So it took place early Easter Sunday in a place called a magical place called Silmar, which is laugh. It's the northernmost neighborhood in L.A. County. And these intrepid thieves, they think they broke in through the wall first. But it turns out that they likely came in through the ceiling. And then they cracked a safe at a place called Garda World.

Garda World, which is, you might have seen their black and white armored vehicles. Oh, yeah. guarda on it you would do what the i would assume that that's like a spanish owned company i don't know because guarda is like guard in spanish i think makes sense i which is funny because it shouldn't it be gardamundo if that were the case guardumundo guardumundo why what does that mean we guard the world world guard why would it be guardumundo because in spanish you put the horse before the cart no why would it be world guard oh yeah fuck i don't know dude i don't know dude i don't know No, listen, wouldn't it be like...

My point is they're a Canadian company. Wouldn't it be like Garda Banko? That means bank guard. Yeah. Yeah, but so they're a global company. That's why, hence Mundo, guard a world. Oh, or Garda De Niro? Hey, everybody.

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Ooh, that's pretty good. Damn. Don't take that. That one's mine. I'm starting a new company. Yeah. Well, so Garda World, they employ it over, I didn't even realize this. They employ like over 120,000 people.

Yeah, have fun sifting through that, FBI. Yeah. Well, so they also operate, like I said, a fleet of armored vehicles. They're a cash management and security company. And man, oh man. So these guys, they don't know. how many of them there were and they broke in through the ceiling of this place and then they cracked a safe and so fucking they're so cool it's so cool because they were talking to all

these experts and the experts said there's no way this could have been pulled off without being planned months in advance without them have did i say that right months in advance mm-hmm that would be months in advance okay it felt like my t h is turned into i don't know what's going on but um am i stroking out yeah but Dude, I don't think that eclipse was good for you. I think you got too much eclipse. I think I'm not used to the mic being so far away, so I'm kind of scared. But it's okay.

I'm fine. I know. Usually I get to hug it. Yeah, but anyway, they broke into this safe. There should have been multiple alarms, not only between them breaking in and getting to the safe, but then the safe itself likely had seismic alarms. I mean, it's 2024. These things are fucking foolproof.

but these boys boys and girls these boys ain't no fools they ain't no fools they got in there they said uh yeah it's um but here's the cool the cool part to me the cash that they stole

wasn't just like straight from the treasury where it would be easily traceable and you'd be flat out fucked if you stole this much cash it was cash that was already in circulation right so we're talking tens ones five

they're gonna have no idea how to track it There's no way to track it. But then the other thing, the other cool part about this heist is the weight, the sheer weight of this much cash. A million dollars in a hundred. Oh, yeah. I don't know how the fuck they're. Exactly. That like broke my brain.

A million dollars in $100 bills weighs 22 pounds. But like we said, this very likely wasn't just $100 bills. It was in all kinds of denominations. So on average, a million dollars in cash would be closer to about 250 pounds. which means that $30 million worth of cash probably weighed about three and a half tons. 7,500 pounds. That's crazy.

I'm like, how the fuck did they move this money? I know. I think of the heist at the bank heist scene in heat, which is just, if you haven't seen heat, it. So good. See thief. Is that the other Michael Mann movie?

Oh, my God. Did I see that one? it's and it's got it's got uh it's got safes in it he cracks safe he cracks safe also this guy's james con man it's of course it's going to be a good movie he's got man in his name you got it you got to see it it's so good it's so good there i mean jesus christ thief thief is good that's what james con did they use a vacuum like a giant vacuum to suck all the money up yeah i hope so some kind of industrial we don't know and the thing is unless they get caught we won't know so i hope we never find out they must have just had it in in like cartoon style cartoon style big old

bill big old rucksacks or big old bags and they must have just made multiple trips yeah just put load them up into a box truck and ski daddling but nobody they went in undetected is that the sound of the uh the vacuum that's very uh powerful I imagine it more yeah yeah it likes them and it tastes good so that present there there's many sides to this. It's obviously the planning that went into it. Then there's the, that then follows that they know how much they're taking. So what follows after that is they know they have to have a good idea of how they're going to launder all that money. Uh, what are those things called? Launder. Laundermats. That is one way to launder money. That's how to launder money. So,

I'm just, I'm turning it all into coins, putting it in the machines. When I was researching this episode was on the flight and I was Googling how to launder money and I had my laptop wide open. Dude, you can't do that in taxis. You're going to get audited. Taxis? Taxis and? Oh, I don't care. I'd like to see the IRS step to me.

Come at me, bitch. Don't say that. Don't come at me. Okay. Or come at me. Whichever one makes them less likely to. Well, so I thought that this would be a fun little lesson on money laundering. Oh, you're going to tell me how to do it. Yeah.

Okay. Well, there's... If you work for the IRS, turn this off. No, no, no, no. This is common knowledge. So there's three steps. There's placement where the money is introduced into the financial system. There's layering where the money is like. So placement would be like the laundromat. Placement would be, yeah, like buying the laundromat. Then there's layering where the money is shuffled around to create distance between the criminal and the money. So that would be, yeah, like inserting some cash flows into the cash business to then clean it. And then the final step is integration where you're, you're fully, I might have fucked that up, but my favorite thing is. Wow, riveting stuff. My favorite thing is what they call lenders. They call them smurfs. Smurfing. We actually, we don't, uh, we don't like when they call us that. And smurfing is, uh, when you make a bunch of

small deposits into, into a bank. So you might think that you could get away with it because banks are required to report cash transactions of more than, of $10,000 or more. So you might think, oh, I'm a smart ass criminal. I'm going to just, nine, nine, nine thousand. $999 every time. Or I'll just do $9,000 or I'll do this and that, whatever. So there's another way, well, so you'll get caught doing that because there's this law called know your client where banks are supposed to be monitoring for, it's like $10,000 and above, but also just suspicious behavior.

So like if you're just some guy and you've got on average X amount of dollars in your account and then suddenly you start getting these, that's when you get flagged. So that's what these people are going to have to look out for, depending on what they're planning on doing with it. But there's other ways. You can use mules. That's what I do. I've got, I bought a lot of mules. No, no, these are people, sweetheart.

Oh. Mules like a drug mule, you know? Sure. Yeah. So you offer these poor slubs. Hey, I'll give you however much cash to go open a bank account in your name and then make these deposits on a regular basis and just keep your mouth shut. That's one way. There's also shell corporations.

Go ahead. Go ahead. shell corporations you want to make a beach pun no i was going to say what do you could do is take your cash to livestock auctions and put it on livestock i've what the fuck i'd never heard of that that sounds like a fun idea yeah at least you get a cow or a pig yeah or a horse you buy that world's most expensive ass cow exactly that stunning beast yeah you can a shell company is just a it's a company that's an empty shell it doesn't have a business plan it does doesn't have assets.

It's just something that you set up maybe with the intent of starting a business. Who knows? But the key is you're setting them up in jurisdictions that don't, that allow you. The Cayman Islands. They allow you to be anonymous. So you can just set it up and then start depositing your cash. Sending them forget it, really. Yeah.

And then they're not going to report you because who are they going to report you to if they don't know who you are. The president of the Cayman Islands? Yeah, the president of the Cayman Islands, John Kamen. John F. Cayman? John F. Cayman. He got shot in the head. Yeah, they shot him.

I'm in Austin, Texas. Right in front of his wife. It was Dallas, Texas. Oh, I know. I drove over the X where he got shot. And I went, oh, here it comes. There it is. And I went, ha!

Like that. I didn't do that. Had that go over. That would have been disrespectful. I don't know. I was fine. It's so long ago. I think if your head explodes all over the goddamn street, you can joke about it.

That's true. It is, I mean, you're one and done. You're gone. So it's not like you were, I hope he wasn't in any pain. Anyway, you can also buy gems and jewels and shit. you can buy real estate you can gamble then of course there's art art is like a major major way to launder money take it off the goddamn wall roll it up boom you're traveling with millions of dollars true nfts there's uh no i'm out that's that's me at a that's me at a crime planning party i'm going

these guys these guys these guys are mickey mouse man i'm not dealing with these guys well so yeah there's lots of ways to launder your money but also uh lots of ways of getting caught and it just made me think about um what these guys are out there doing they're out there just i'm thinking as some like professional ass criminals things you never the people you never think about man they're out there well that's so cool they're so often 30 million dollars cash they're so often portrayed uh in media as like the coolest handsomest guys you've ever seen but then it's like i don't know when they do get caught you're like oh it's that guy the craziest guy you've ever yeah It's like whenever there's a hitman in a movie, you're like, fuck me.

That's the hottest guy I've ever seen. Yeah. Can you think, like James Bond? He's not a hitman, but. Brad Pitt in Kill him softly. Yeah. Perfect example. Yeah.

That guy in real life, whenever you see the mug shots, just the scariest person you've ever seen. These guys, I don't know, man. Guy I would never want to be around. Whoever these guys are, they're legitimately so good at what they do. And so one of the only things that comes. cops and FBI, whoever is looking for them can do, is keep an eye out around the country around the world, actually, for similar heists, hoping that they might have gone.

Truly, like, if you just stole $30 million, you're set. But also, how do you keep all those mouths shut? I know. That's a big part of it. That's why you just got to leave. Yeah. You go. So I thought it would be.

I'm on an island somewhere. I thought it'd be fun to look at some of the biggest. So this was up until Easter, or rather now, it is the biggest cash heist in U.S. history. You know what's my favorite cash heist in the world? The plundering of the Iraq Central Bank in 2003, March 18th, 2007-2003. That was pretty crazy. You know who they think did it? They know who did it.

It was like legal, kind of. It was the Hussein's. Yeah, Saddam Hussein told his son on March 18th. to 2003 he said my son you know there he basically knew that the the the America we're fucked we're getting invaded we're not going to be have access to this money we need to so they did it over days they were just unloading and they had like officials that he he had a signed note from his dad that's what he had from Saddam Hussein like here guys got a note from my dad you know me I'm Kusei Hussein see my dad

Kusei, where are you going with all that money? I don't know. Don't worry. I have a note from daddy. They showed up in trucks, and they took about a quarter of Iraq's cash reserves, which was a billion, they took a billion dollars. And then I've read that $350 million of it was just never recovered. So it's out there somewhere.

Maybe it's buried. Maybe it's a buried trailer. That's going to be our next episode, us searching for the $350 million. That would kind of be a fun adventure. Well, then two years ago, there was, I'm surprised I didn't hear about this. Two years ago, there was this Brinks Big Rig truck coming from a jewel. Brinks was like Garda, but American. Yeah, yeah.

That's right. But they, sorry, I had to burp again. They were coming down this big rig, only two guys driving this fucking big rig. Coming from a gem, a precious gems and jewelry show in San Francisco, they stopped like 40 miles outside of Los Angeles at a rest stop. And while they're in there pissing and jerking each other off or whatever they're doing. Some guys just cracked the lock.

They took $100 million worth of jewels. Do you think they were in on it? I mean, that's the thing. The guys who were like, hey, let's go in there and piss and jack each other off. Hopefully nothing happens to the truck, the 18-wheeler full of diamonds and shit. Yeah, why wouldn't they have a fucking convoy or something at least? Or use the buddy, or I guess they used the buddy system by going into the, bathroom together but these guys were never caught the guys who did this incredible that's so

fucking incredible and cool i i want to meet these guys so if you guys know if this is your dad or if it's someone keep it we can keep it quiet yeah we can do one of those things where they um we'll have dylan put a filter on your voice sound like sponge bob yeah and you can wear a mask yeah you can come on in richard nixon um speaking to richard nixon in 1972 there was There's this guy, he got a couple of his nephews, and his brother-in-law, and a few associates, which is really fun. I would love to have a associate. Oh, we love an associate. It seems like only criminals and, like, lawyers have associates.

They're the only ones. But in 1972, they heard through however you hear things back then, the phone, fucking telephone. Grape fines. They heard that Richard Nixon had a slush fund at a bank in Laguna Nigel. and they cracked they went in they rented a house they flew in from ohio they had all their their ducks lined up and they stole like uh let's see what it's close to 30 million dollars worth of cash and valuables and that's back in 1972 back in 1972 it's like a billion and a half dollars today something like that no it's like 300 yeah that seems it's a lot but who am i to say

and you know how they got caught they used their real names to travel Which is fucking... In 1972, you don't... You show you go, oh yeah, my name's Frank. It's never been easier to have a fake idea. They just... They'll let you on the plane to like kiss your kid to buy. Now I gotta have a real ID.

Yeah. Well, and then they also attempted a similar heist back in Ohio. And also the biggest thing was... My God, you made $30 million. Your heisting days are done. Yeah, stop trying to do it. That's how they always get you. You try to do one more job.

No, what really caught them was at their rental house before Airbnb. be i don't know how again i don't know how you even find what do you drive around until you see a house this is for rent well they uh they ate and stuff there and they loaded up the dishwasher and they forgot to run the dishwash and they pulled prints off some of their stupid dishes what a bunch of fucking morons huh i think that's how that you know the ant's warp diamond heist no i i don't know much about it but i do remember this one specific detail which was it was the perfect heist. It took place in Antwerp, Belgium,

which is like the diamond capital of the world. Very, very sophisticated heist. And there was one guy whose job was to get rid of the evidence. That's his only role after, well, I mean, he had probably a different role, but they were like, okay, all the garbage, everything that links this to us is in this garbage bag, take care of it. He pulls over to the side of the road somewhere in like the Netherlands and just, tosses the trash bag

thinking well my job's done and then weeks or months later however long it was you know the trash bag's blown around and it blows open and then there's like papers everywhere

some guy like walking his dogs of them writing down like we are going to heist so hard at Antwerp oh yeah just yeah a crayon drawn map or something with jewels circled you gotta burn that bag my guy dude all you had to do

you have so much fun just burning the bag Roast a marshmallow. While some guy walking his dog stumbled upon some papers and was like, this is curious, and then put two and two together that, oh, that big jewel heist I just heard about that's been everywhere

in the news, some of this shit relates to that, and they caught the guys. From that one dip shit. You mad. I hope they killed them. I hope that, man. Oh, uh. Similarly, uh, this is the last... What do you do with like cash? Great. Steal that. Grap!

You steal a bunch of diamonds? Then you got to find a diamond guy. Well, you got to, like, yeah, you got to pawn him or do whatever. Pawn? I don't know. Jesus Christ. No, you got to give them to, like, some kind of expert. Yeah.

You got to find Adam Sandler. You got to find Adam Sandler in Uncut Gems. Or some guy in the... Have you seen that guy in New York? Oh, I've seen that guy. Tracks, whatever. He just, like, walks around with tens of thousands of dollars worth of silver and gold and goes up to people and goes, Hey, I, um, what do you think this silver bars were?

And it's like $5,000 worth of silver. And people will just, they're so New York, they're just like, I don't, I don't want. Don't talk to me. I don't, no, no. And then he's like, okay, you just, was he going to give it to them? He gives it to people. The next guy will be like, I don't know, $400. You're close, but you're wrong.

Here, take a silver coin. This is worth $1,000. That's actually kind of tight. It's really cool. He also, like, went to the Scottish Highlands or something and buried like a hundred grand worth of gold. It said, if you can find this, it's yours. I'm burying it right here.

See, this is what we got to do. We got to go on treasure hunts. Treasure hunts. Yeah. Did you ever do those, what were those things called? Cash. Cash. Oh, I've done cash, yeah.

Do you know what I'm talking about? Cash. Oh, geocaching. Can you help explain what that is to Emil? Guy puts a sock filled with a bracelet and silly putty. somewhere in a tree and then gives you the coordinates. Wow. It's basically.

And then everyone races to get it? Yeah. No, nobody races. It's just, I mean, kind of. You can look on the map and say, ooh, there's a thing here, and you got to, like, it gives you rough coordinates, right? Yeah, you could, like, take something and leave something, right? A little note.

Oh. Yeah. Like treasure hunt around the world. We should do that. We're freaking rubber, man. We should do that. We should hide something. What are we going to hide?

I don't know. I'll picture my butt hole. No, it's got to be valuable. $5 bill. $20 bill. Sure. That actually could be pretty fun. I wish I had the balls for crime.

Yeah, me too. I feel like that's the life I want. I want to be on the run. I don't want to be on the lamb. What? Careful. Why? You want to be on the run?

I think it'd be nice. You know, careful what you wish for. Because then you don't have to... Wait, are you, well, there's two types of being on the run. Are you on the run from your fellow criminals who are trying to silence you or are you on the run from the law or both? The law. I've got the money.

I'm successful. How much money? And in what form? Cash? $6 million. $945. I got $945 and I'm like, I'm good. And then I get to Monaco and I'm just like, ooh, this is not as much money as I thought it was.

See, I wouldn't even run that far. I would just go out to like Modesto. Why? You have to... Because why am I to... That's the last place. They're going to look. Go somewhere you want to go. Yeah, exactly. I just got millions of dollars.

Oh, okay. But, I mean, if the cops are actively looking, yeah, I guess, I would probably want to get out of the country. Yeah, okay. Yeah, okay. I'd probably go to, like, a rural-ass place, not Monaco, where they're going to be looking for a guy with $6 million. That is true.

That is true. FBI guy's in there smoking a cigar. Oh, you got fucking Columbo coming after you. I'm going to, like, Warsaw. Okay, what if Colombo is coming after you? Where do you go? I just leave L.A. County. He's got no jurisdiction.

Oh, that's right. Except for that one time he got called by Scotland Yard, and the only time he was on the cruise. Cruise, yeah. Yeah, that's right. Well, I'm avoiding London, and I'm avoiding cruise ships. Okay. I think, I used to think about robbing banks a lot.

Prize. And I was just, because I started grappling with the morality of it. I was like, you're really only stealing from, like, the bank or to a, to a, to a greater extent, the government. And if you're not like taking hostages or emotionally damaging someone, it's a perfect crime. You're probably going to emotionally damage someone. That's true, because the foolproof idea that I ultimately landed on before I stopped thinking about it when I was smoking pot in college was the way to do it. Here's how you rob a bank. Oh, you know how? You get a fake bomb vest or a real one. Put it on and you blow it.

up in the car by accident on the way there no close uh you basically you could put on makeup or something but make it look like you've been roughed up like you are basically you want to go you walk in and say i'm not doing this on my own you only do it in the early hours of the morning when just the manager is opening up and you go up and you're like i'm sorry oh my god they're gonna kill me and my baby if you don't give me all the cash in the vault or whatever and then you show and it's got beeping and stuff so that they believe it i like this so far it's pretty good right and it's actually not going to be that that emotionally scarring for the person because they're going to be like oh you poor thing instead of oh my god being like i saved someone and their baby yeah you're actually

doing them a favor and then you uh blow it up by accident and the bag you blow it's no that's why you know you make it something that's that's inert or just it's just really good props and then you say also they said that they're maybe you do a little recon maybe you say something that uh that that they'll know that the person who's holding you hostage or whatever knows a certain detail so that like you can't fucking if you call the cops within 30 minutes they're going to kill me and they're going to kill my baby and then you um get the hell out of there you came up with this where do you go from me though pretty good yeah exactly that's the problem is now you've got um now you've got sequential It reminds me of like, did you see Place Beyond the Pines?

Yes. It's so stressful when he's like riding the dirt bike with the money he just stole. Oh, yeah. He's just like, then he just like fucks it and crashes and Bradley Cooper's like. Yeah, Ryan Gosling. Oh, man. What a hunk in that one. What a hunk in that one.

What a hunk generally. That's the thing. I hope these guys are hunky. I used to do an impression of Ryan Gosling in the beginning of the movie Drive. Let's see it. I don't care where you're gun. a dwive does he have like a speech

imbedded no but it almost sounds like it oh I forgot what he says he's got a list fuck the worst the Russian ever

you want to see you want to see my Mark Wahlberg in the fighter yeah I'm the one fighting not you not you

and not you he sounds too happy not you not you and not you fuck no it's pretty good though workers. Yeah. Well, so the last one actually that I that I thought was interesting was in

1997 this thing called the Dunbar heist. There was a guy who worked at this armored car company called Dunbar and he coordinated with five childhood friends. Always keep it childhood. You want to know these guys for a while. Yeah, but then one of them more, they stole 18.9 million dollars in cash and they got caught when one of the guys lent out money to some fucking third party with the original strap still on the money stack what a fucking nincom poop that's the thing i'd be so good i would never do something like that that's the scary that's the other thing about this crew i keep thinking of alpuccino and heat when he's like this crew's good oh they're good because that was bad but because they're all they all have to be professionals if it was like six of them they all

have to be so tight you can't have a loose cannon you can't have a guy you can't have a guy running off and doing crazy shit maybe he's an addict maybe he can't help himself maybe he's a blabber mouth maybe he's gonna you know mouth off in a bar somewhere and and give it all away which also means that hey maybe one of these guys is a little bit like the joker and he in heathletgers batman's the joker man he kills everybody one by one one off one off i kind of like that somebody got to make a movie you got to keep everyone quiet francis ford coppola ditch the megalopolis thing this movie that he's doing... Wow, I think it's gonna be sick.

I know, I'm kidding. Ooh, I'm seeing Civil War Friday. Can't... Oh, man. Oh, man. I wonder if they're gonna make the South win this time. It's not like that. It's not like that.

No. Speaking of, I think today is the day... Tuesday, April 9th? It's something about... Because I saw a very funny TikTok about the South, about the Confederacy. Okay. You're gonna like this.

Is today the day that they... They may be like... I don't know exactly. I don't pay attention to that kind of shit. That's a good thing that you've got it pulled up and ready to go. It is a good thing, isn't it? You're about to see it. You're going to go nuts for this type of shit.

Man, that was a long segment on heists. Got me all geared. It makes me want to watch a fucking bank. You know what else is a good bank robbery movie? Ocean's 11. No, that is actually good, but that's a casino. It's a point break. That is good.

Directed by a woman. Via Condios, brother. Directed by... Why do you say it like that? Directed by a woman. Because you wouldn't expect. Why? Why not? I would. Because you wouldn't expect like a guy fucking, that'd be like, I don't know, James Cameron directing a Nancy Myers movie. Why? Anyone could do anything. I guess. Yeah, I know. I would never do that. Directed by a woman. Actually, it was directed by a woman.

That's been leaving a date. Well, and it's crazy that was directed by a woman. She was actually married to James Cameron. Yeah. What's her name? was a nightmare Catherine Bigelow that's right just like the tea the heiress to the tea company that's a lot he remembered she's a woman but couldn't remember her name yeah typical wow can't believe that was directed by a woman did you pull up your precious TikTok about the confederacy oh you did oh shit fuck not my precious

competitorcy what the hell For the audio listener, it's a young gal. She's got the confederate. You know what? I got to stop doing that for the... It's funny, audio listener. I'm sorry you can't see it, but I wish you could.

Log on at home. God, I wish you could see it. And check out the funny thing I just said, Ben. Holy fucking shit. Okay, so AI, man. We got to talk about AI. Did you read Jamie Diamond's annual shareholder letter? Did it come out?

Yeah. No, I missed it. What do you say? Well, so, of course, his first topic, what do you think it was? Art of official intelligence? Art of official intelligence? Yeah. What do you say?

He said, well, we do not know the full effect or the precise rate at which AI will change our business or how it will affect society at large. We are completely convinced the consequences will be extraordinary. possibly as transformational as some of the other technological inventions of the past several hundred years. Think the printing press, the steam engine, electricity, computing, and the internet. It's going to be bigger than electricity, everybody. And he put all this ahead of, you know, all of the geopolitical problems in the world. Also, Elon Musk, our favorite moron, said, my guess is that we'll have AI that is smarter any one human probably around the end of next year.

He thinks that all this stuff is going to be, and by the next 10 years, it's all going to be doing stuff humans couldn't dream of doing. But there's a little problem. What's the problem? They're running out of information to feed the fucking thing. They're running out of data. It's think of a big hungry baby, right?

Think of AI as a big hungry baby. And it needs breast milk. and your wife is just tapped dry tapped out she's just she's scorting out puffs

just powdered milk she's got all these babies chat GPT barred llama llama llama llama Gemini Grock Grock Gini

they're all coming to suckle at the teat and she's like I got no more data for you I got no more data that's the thing to make all these things to make all these things better it requires like huge amounts of data

and they've they've input it all They've input things that they weren't even supposed to be inputting because they're like, we just do not have it. And now, not only that, they're also using artificial data, which is basically just having the AI systems create their own data to feed itself. Yeah, we'll get into that. Well, so I learned something. I mean, I kind of knew this already, but these AI models use, it started in the billions, but then very quickly transcended to the trillions of tokens. And a token is just like a word or an individual piece of a word or data, et cetera. And the more tokens you've got, the better, the smarter.

Think of, you know, like a baby. Think of a baby. Think of a baby. Picture it right now. It just needs knowledge. You've got to cram that knowledge in there. And it's just the more they've got. So in 2021, OpenAI, they ran out.

I thought that it was still going to happen. No, they ran out. And what did they do, Emil? What did they say? They started developing... Hungry-ass robots. They started developing Whisper. Whisper.

Whisper. They probably called it that because it was illegal and still is illegal. And they said, let's not tell anyone about this. Yeah, Whisper is a bot that listens to YouTube videos and transcribes them into English. And it developed, or rather it... It transcribed more than a million hours of YouTube videos. Yeah. Probably more.

That's what people close to, like, that's what they knew about. And this team included OpenAI's president, Greg Brockman. So everyone was aware of this and that they weren't supposed to be doing it. But then they took those texts and just started feeding it into GPT4. So they could have this like uber powerful thing. Which is against the rules. It's against YouTube's like privacy policy, which says you can't use videos for applications that are independent of YouTube.

Clearly, Open AI is. The thing is, Google knew that OpenAI was doing it, but they were doing it too. And they're like, we don't want people. If we call them out, people are going to start being like, wait, YouTube, you're using our copyrighted videos to make your own large language model. We see that Open AI has built some kind of special straw

that enables them to get milk straight from the breast, like from the side of the breast and not through the nose. nipple and we we see it but we're also doing it too because we've got our straw slipping from the other breast are you guys following this breastfeeding analogy it goes underneath the ground into your neighbor's house yes yeah your neighbor's wife and they're yeah they're sucking your neighbor's tit breast milk please don't be so vulgar okay god Jesus Christ so that's the thing is all these companies have been bending the rules or flat out breaking them. Meta wants to acquire, they thought about acquiring Simon and Shuster, the, the, I always

thought it was Schuster. Schuster, excuse me, to, I don't know, to get there, to get there, to digitize their works. Because meta, in all these companies, have realized one route they can take is to acquire all of these copyrighted works, be it music, text, whatever, legally, but that would take so many man hours and so many years to do, they did their fucking nerdy calculations and realized that it'd be easier to just break the law and deal with the consequences thereafter

from whoever wants to sue them instead. But even with that, they're still worried that by, like research institutes are saying that by 2026, they could be all out of high quality data to feed these things. And so they don't know what else to do

outside of this synthetic information of just having the systems create information to feed it. Which could come with its own slurial problems because what if the, what if the data that the AIs make are full of their own, what do they call those things, hallucinations? And then you're just creating bad data based on bad data. So it remains to be seen if that'll even work. Well, you know it freaked me out the most. There was two big stories about it.

One in the New York Times and one in the Wall Street Journal. And the Wall Street Journal one ended. They said many who study the data issue are ultimately sanguine that solutions will emerge. Villa Lobos, who's one of these researchers, compares it to peak oil, the fear that oil production could top out and start an economically painful collapse. That concern has proven inaccurate thanks to new technology such as fracking in the early 2000s. It is possible that the AI world could see a similar development. He says, the biggest uncertainty is what breakthroughs you'll see. And I'm like, oh, that is not the optimistic ending you think it is.

Thinking of like all these tech companies be like, we need fracking. We need our fracking. that's a really good point it is the digital version of fracking we need to start we need to start digging underground for more data yeah where all that juicy juicy breast milk is they're going to be making their artificial breast milk is essentially to continue that analogy that metaphor whatever but i have in my notes that the data created by AI to train AI is tantamount to self-sucking is that true yeah i mean that's self-sucking researchers are saying that that's the I yeah I think that's what I what gets me though is

if the whole thing with oh it would be too time consuming and arduous to attain copyright permission write a fucking AI to do it bitch isn't that the whole thing I thought your things are so powerful yeah they can like ace the MCAT yeah bitch things like you don't even

you could just have a robo lawyer do it yeah create a cute robo lawyer named darn dick lord dick lord lawyer called like Larry Larry the lawyer Larry the robot lawyer whose only job is to at the speed of light get fucking permission you absolute bitch god yeah I don't know I've been I've been so like they're asking for forgiveness instead of

permission which is a really classic uh that's like a um yeah I mean this has been going there James Paterson this uh that um that's uh that very famous, like all his books are in the airport bookstores. Oh, yeah, yeah. Yeah, Jim. Jim Patterson. You know? Yeah.

Oh, you're on gym terms. Oh, yeah, Jim. Jim. Damn. My guys got it like that. But him and some other writers were very pissed because they were finding that, like, online editions of their books were just ending up in these, we're just ending up in these databases that were being fed into the, into the AI machines.

And so many copyrighted works have been fed into the, them that now they were doing, I think it was the New York Times corroborated because another AI researcher basically found that when you typed in like, when you typed in popular screenshot of a movie or like superhero movie, it would just show you basically a screenshot of like Ironman lighting up his hand. Or if you typed in like, show me a video game featuring an Italian guy, it would just give you Mario. Essentially Mario. That's actually their, these companies is push back to these mounting lawsuits is that they're fair use because the information gets repurposed.

Right. And I mean, that's like a clever thing. But so Open AI kind of set the precedent by being the first ones to take all this copyrighted material. And so Meta and Google can basically, I mean, part of their strategy is just saying, hey, we're just following the precedent that Open AI already set. But what really tickled my What did it tickle?

Tickled my, I don't know, the back of my thighs. Oh. Yeah. I got a sinus headache that's just going full throttle right now, by the way. Holy. Is it allergies? I've had the most crazy sinus pressure for the best. I think it's because I just didn't, I didn't drink enough water today.

So Google, anyway, Google needed to catch up pretty fast. And we're like, we want to put out black Thomas Jefferson pictures. We got to get. We got to figure this out. They were like, we got to get on this shit. it so they got their engineers together and they realized that because again remember the problem is that they're running out of data they're running out of high quality data and these google engineers realized they had vast amounts of data available but they couldn't legally use it yet so they had their

lawyers in 2022 broaden the terms of service to allow it to take things like restaurant reviews on Google Maps, public Google Docs, and other data. Which is fucking crazy. Yes. So at the time, the privacy policy said that the company could use publicly available information only to help train Google's language models and build features like Google Translate. But then the privacy team wrote new terms so Google could tap the data for its AI models.

And you know when they rolled out the new terms? What did they do it on like Easter? The team was told to specifically release the new terms on. the 4th of July weekend when people were typically focused on the holiday they the revised policy debuted on July 1st at the start of the long weekend that's fucking really good stuff man that's really good stuff google yeah where'd you come up with that one also nobody fucking reads those things anyway except for a few dorks so but yeah so the the thing i i fucked up here the the new terms say that google could tap the data for its

a i models and build products and features like google translate barred and cloud a i capability which was a wider collection of AI tech. Man, these fucking people, dude. But yeah, I don't know. All this, it just makes me feel so silly because I think there was a period of time where I was like, damn, this is actually cool. And I was seeing them be like,

I'd be like, this fucking actually does sound like a Drake song. That's crazy. But now it all feels so silly that they've just like repurposed, not only like famous people's shit, but like all of our Google Docs, So you could just have it answer me when I ask, like, what fucking restaurant should I? It's all so silly.

Yeah. And they don't even have enough. They're like, we don't know how to make it better anymore. We don't have enough stuff to have it regurgitate. Yeah. Well, because it boils down to the more data, the more they can learn. And I have here in my notes to do Arnold impression from Terminator 2. I really want to use the clip from the movie.

But ironically, we can't use that because it would be against policies. but these big companies can do it because fuck us. But there's a clip in Terminator 2, there's a part rather, where little John Connor asks Arnold about what he is, and he says, I'm a learning computer. The more I see and hear,

the more I learn. And then Sarah Connor goes, and that makes you a more effective killing machine, right? And he goes, affirmative. And then John Connor goes, no, you don't say affirmative. You say,

what does he say? fucking um cool or something you know i don't think i love that movie i should be able to have i ever uh chill out have ever done my mark walberg in the learning computer that's a movie called the learning yeah are you shitting me there's a movie called the learning computer? He goes, I'm the one learning. Not you. Not you.

And not you. Jesus Christ. I thought that you were going to quote the part of the end of the other article where, so like we said, the danger is that if these AIs create bad data when they're trying to self-suck, that it could create a negative feedback loop. Sam Altman said at a recent conference, quote, it should be all right. right well thanks for that Sammy yeah uh let's see we move on to by the way so real fast maybe I'll play it in the bonus but I've been seeing there's this TikTok account and I

I really hate to say it man it creates um the ones that I've seen are country songs and they're using like Facebook marketplace interactions and you see it on the screen and then it sings them in a country song voice and they're really fucking funny they're really good have you ever seen the guy who did the like he sings the song about yes the the old ladies fighting yes yeah very good yeah that's that's my uh oh let's see how babu uh we're running out of time here we should get into some uh gossip no we're not gonna do that there's other shit here we've got uh we got that we got that that we should do some of this yeah yeah so they the another's another see this one the blame doesn't fall on

Boeing there was an engine cowling the cover came off of a Boeing a Southwest Boeing 737 800 last week which prompted an FAA investigation a Boeing doesn't make the engines B it happened on the engine C that sounds like a Southwest maintenance issue to me but it feels a bad look it's a bad look and it also just comes in the same week that the news hit that the outgoing CEO the one we were talking about getting fired that everyone was like yeah like fire's a He was paid $32.8 million in 2023. Actually, I thought of a better heist.

I'm serious. And patent pending, because I really wanted to actually, this was one of my movie ideas that I intended to write, but I haven't gotten around to it. Oh, is it the poker one? No, it's not the poker one. I like the idea of a heist movie involving someone kidnapping a prominent CEO and then placing a bet against the stock

or doing something to manipulate the stock and then either like tweeting something from their phone or some shit like that. Oh, this is basically Celtic Pride, but with stocks. Great. What's what happened in Celtic Pride? Oh, Celtic Pride. Did Larry Bird do a slam dunk and then turn around? It's Daniel Stern and Dan Akroyd.

They're two huge Celtics fans. And they kidnap, it must be the Lakers. I don't know exactly, but they kidnap the stuff. star player on on their that's a brilliant idea yeah and uh is it a comedy sounds like yeah yeah and they they hold them hostage until like the end of the playoffs or whatever that sounds there was a movie starring wesley snipes and i can't remember uh oh oh dennis hopper it's called the fan no no that's robert de nero it's called the fan and um robert jenro just fucking loves Wesley Snipes, he's a baseball player, and he kidnaps his son, I think.

He kidnaps his son. I can't remember. It's one of those classic mid to late 90s thriller movies with just, it's just good. You know what other one I want to watch again? Arlington Road. You've been talking about Arlington Road for maybe years at this point. Yeah, ow, my face hurts. Do you have any Tylenol?

Mm-hmm. Not ibuprofen. Why? Tylenol, because I believe so. ibuprofen fucks up my stomach yo box it up his sensile little belly sensitive little tummy um and then there was one thing i wanted to talk about the donald trump stock has been dropping because people are realizing that hey this company not only doesn't make very much money but also loses tremendous amounts of money and i'm ruined i put a lot of money into that thing sorry to hear that but does it

matter these days it really doesn't if you make money it used to be in the in no no not that how a company is valued before the days of being able to before the days of uh not only being able to check a company's filings and balance sheets and stuff that information like pre-1930s was just not readily available i i don't think they had really strict rules on companies filing so it was it was just it's kind of like we've gone full circle because back then it was just kind of investing on vibes and like oh yeah this company might be good whatever and then they have all these uh the renaissance of of new laws and regulations in the wake of the Great Depression and then you started for the last 70 years or so

you're you're basing your valuations your stock purchases based on like cash flows and there was a certain um there was a certain calculus to it and now it seems like that's finally being phased out in favor of just like the tokenization of a person or a meme kind of like how uh uh kate middleton they made a cancer token for her yeah but it's just like you're that's crypto but also the same thing happens with stocks look at like game stop or amc it's just i'm buying the thing valuation be damned it's just because i'm along for the ride same thing with like Donald Trump, it doesn't matter what the valuation is relative to cash flows or anything. That's out the door. You are buying Donald, like, I guarantee that if he-

Are you talking about how they all have like these figureheads who are basically like mascots for these stocks now? Like Elon Musk. He's sort of, yeah. It's basically like the, it seems like the guiding principle for a lot of people in the market these days, at least in like the gambling retail crowd, is, is there something that I can buy that is the that represents the thing in real life. Donald Trump? Oh, wouldn't it be great if you could buy a stock

in the guy who's going to maybe be president? Boom, now you can't. And I think that if he wins, if he wins that... Knock on wood, do you want him to win? If he... No. Why'd you knock on wood? Because, I don't know. I thought that it was like a... I don't know.

Fuck. Okay, take it back. Take it back. All right, let's reset. That if he wins, not knock on wood, I bet his stock fucking skyrocket, at least for a few days. Because it's like, well, now there's not even a rationale behind it. It's not like everybody's going to start using truth social. It's just, oh, can you buy the stock for the thing? And yeah, you can't. It would be like if they, I don't know, they fucking made a Hurricane Katrina stock back when that happened.

Oh, there would have been a shit coin. Oh, absolutely. And a lot of people would have made a lot of money. A lot of people would have bought it and made a lot of money. And, yeah. So there was probably earthquake coins. For the, for the New York earthquake or the New Jersey. Yeah, somebody probably made one on the Solana blockchain.

Quake coin. Earthquake coin. Fat Italian New Jersey guy coin. Italian guy coin. I don't know. Seems like a good place to stop. I got to pee so bad. And you have all that pressure in your head.

Yeah, I got to take a C. And if you want to see Ben be quite a baby in the bonus episode, he's going to be complaining. He's going to be crying, you think, shitting, pissing, farting. All those things. Apparently I let out a couple real big farts in Dallas in the middle of the night. And my girlfriend was like the next morning had a real good time because she knows I have shame. Like you let out some big farts. Oh, no.

I kind of remember waking up and feeling relief but I obviously didn't remember that I was there and anyway Benoamielshow.com to hear all about Ben's Texas farts.

And the eclipse. And the eclipse. Bye.