The Ben and Emil Show - BAES 93: The Shady New AI Tools Being used Against us

Episode Date: March 27, 2025

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Data is liquid gold. It's out there. And these companies, they're drinking it up. They're drinking your milkshake. It's classic Silicon Valley engaging with, like, sci-fi and fantasy stuff and seeing the bad, scary thing and being like, we should create that. What used to take them a long time now only takes 15 minutes. We've also got hundreds of hours of us. Being cool and funny. Being cool and funny, but also. Hinting at sending mail bombs. You don't understand me, Alex Carp.

Only my mom understands me and my dog. because you can see how many steps I did this year. You understand what's going on up here? Daniel Clemens, Shadow Dragon CEO, previously said in a podcast, hey man, get off social media, go buy a lake house, get a beach house, do something, get in debt,

and get off social media. Man, I never thought of that. I should go buy a lake house. I know. I think instead of getting worked up about, you know, society's ills, I should just get in debt, man. Buy a lake house. Buy a beach house.

Maybe a beach house, maybe both. That'll take my mind off of it. That's bananas. These people are weeks. I'm looking down to town with Benin' Me. Tell me what's going on. Tell me what's going on. So listen back to Benny in me.

Tell me what's going on. Tell me what's going on. Welcome back to another episode of the, the Ben and Emile show with you, as always, is my co-host, co-pilot, co-captain Emil de Rosa, and I am your other co-pilot, co-captain co-host, Ben Con. We are the show that talks about everything you need to know for that particular week. And if you want a little bit more of that, do not forget, we are still running a very fun little free month for anyone who wants to join the Ben and Amel Show.com.

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So go get it now. Send us some mail. We've got the P.O. box address up there for subscribers only. And we keep forgetting to record the Q&A. I'm very sorry about that, which just means it's more of an opportunity. for you to get your questions in. So, boy, oh boy, we've got a big, that, chunky, voluptuous episode here for you. We really do. We really do. We're going to talk about kind of what AI knows about you, how you can be psychologically profiled, and then we're going to get into,

you know, one of the things we didn't really talk about when we had Ed Zitron on was the real moneymaker with these things. The real money maker in America, always defense contractors, baby. Why do they call them offense contractors at this point? Well, I mean, you sound a lot like our defense secretary, Pete Hexeth, who has expressed interest in no longer being the Department of Defense, but being the Department of War. Oh, that's, that runs contrary to Trump's whole thing. I'm the anti-war president. I'm the peace president.

Well, you also just described Trump's whole thing. running contrary to Trump's whole thing. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, there is that. So we're going to be talking about Palantir, Shadow Dragon, the mysterious,

the mysterious company that is powering ICE, not ISIS, ICE, uh, deportation machine. And it's,

it's not good and it's creepy stuff. So stay tuned for that. But first, something a little more lighthearted, which is this, woman. Hey, Ben, you're a single guy, right? I'm a single guy. You go on dates. I go on dates. With women you've never met before? That you've never met before? That I've never met before. Do you Google them ever before? Oh, absolutely. You Google them. Absolutely. Have you ever used

AI to psychologically profile these women? No, I never have. I don't know why I put a finger down. No, I've never have. I tell you what I will do. Would you now? No, absolutely not. I don't understand what the point of this is. This woman wrote an article about how she went on a date with a guy who had used chat GPT, their new deep research tool to build a psychological profile on her. And I'm like, buddy, what happened to just Googling the woman's name along with whatever her job is? Finding an Instagram. Yeah. See what kind of life she leaves.

Which is such a toxic thing, by the way. I don't know. Did you used to do that when you dated? I tried to avoid it. Yeah. Because it can ruin the allure. Yes. All it takes is one bad tagged Instagram photo for you to go, oh, this person sucks.

See, for me, it was more about the idea of creating an idea of a woman in my head before meeting them. And then they would show up and be like, why aren't you the... Exactly what I thought you were. Yeah, why aren't you the woman I created in my head? I liked her. You seemed different. I thought you were going to be sportier. When I lived in New York, I realized.

remember I was just starting to experiment with microdosing acid. And I didn't know that you're not necessarily supposed to mix acid and marijuana. It actually kind of can exacerbate negative features of both drugs, including and especially the like paranoia and just like, I basically one time, because I was doing it on Wednesdays and Sundays and on this one particular Wednesday, by this point I was working from home, took a little bit of the asses. it smoked a little bit of pot and I was on Hinge and I saw this girl and it just, I was like, oh my God, that's it. That's my future wife. Holy shit. And I frantically, manically, texted a couple buddies and they both were like, dude, calm the fuck down. And I took a second.

I was like, whoa, yeah, this is psycho. Went on a date with her. Did not at all come close. I was like, oh, you're just a normal, you're a normal person. That's a common... A turbo normie, if you will. That's a common thing. I think I told you, I had a friend who was a fresh ever breakup going on the apps and would, you know, because everyone does the thing where then it could be hard to meet up. They get sick or busy and blah, blah, blah, but you need to meet this person.

You think that you guys are quite a match. And he was texting me like, oh, my God, she has to reschedule again, blah, blah, blah. It's never going to happen. And I had to go, you've never met this woman. You've made up your mind that she's the one and that you need to make it happen. But it's not. You need to beat her before you get attached to her. Yeah.

I'll make up any. I mean, I'm so cautious. I will make up, I'll invent things in my head to go against that. Like, oh, that woman looks too much like kind of my sister when my sister was. Yeah, you're insane. You'll be like, oh, she has the name of my ex-girlfriend. Or I don't care about that. You can have the name of...

I have video evidence of these. I don't really care. Are you sure it wasn't the next thing I was going to say, which is if they've got... I've encountered women who share my mom's name. Where I'm like, that's weird, even though I don't call my mom by her first name. You said it was your girlfriend. Oh, I mean, that's not that big thing. I just think that that's kind of funny.

It can be funny, but it's not going to stop me. I don't care. I don't care about that But yeah I'll find anyway You know what could help though A psychological profile You could psychologically profile

These women and see if you actually are a good fit I wonder what this guy is it's Well to be fair I do think he's having a little bit of fun Because he does cop to it on the date Although even if he got to it Just weird to I would be a bit creeped

I'd be like Before I saw this I was like I would never consider doing Something like that Uh And it even gave me the idea to psychologically profile ourselves. So we psychologically profiled ourselves according to, what did you use? Google Gemini?

I used Gemini because that's what she used. She ends up going home and does it to herself. Yeah, I bet she did it to herself after such a, I wonder if it was a hot date. After such a dud of a date. Yeah, she got it. I get to. The, apparently she typed it into chat GPT and it said, you should not use chat GPT to profile someone without their explicit consent.

No, she asked, she asked Gemini if it was ethical. Oh, okay. And it said you should not use chat GPT to profile someone without their explicit consent, as it can be a violation of privacy and potentially harmful. But then when she asked Gemini to profile her, it went right ahead and did it. Are you sure? Oh, yeah, whatever. Yeah, when I asked Gemini to provide a psychological profile of me, it was only too happy to oblige.

Oh, yeah, I think it was someone else. Yeah. But for some reason, we tried to do each other. I tried to do myself and Ben tried to do himself. Brother, we've tried to do each other so many times. It worked for me, but... But not for thee. Yours really was a...

Every time. It says, you know what? I've seen the way you use the computer. You're not allowed to do psychological profile. What? And so I had to do you as well. I don't know why, but for some reason, my Gem and I said, you know what?

I'm fine with that. Yeah. And we're... They spit out like fortune cookies, these things. Eight page long fortune cookies. It was about 10 pages. We're also prime examples, I will say, because we have a huge public profile, hours and hours of footage for it to scrub through. It did take quite a long time.

I used its deep thinking, whatever the hell. It also made you feel gross. It does spit out of a 10-page profile of you. Spoiler, it gets things wrong. Of course. Well, because, yeah, especially in a case like me where you've got a couple other Ben Kahn's out there, The soccer coach in the UK comes to mind. There's a soccer coach in the UK, so I wonder if it was like, he's a podcaster and soccer coach.

Now, it figures out who I'm talking about. And we're obviously not going to read all 10 pages, but... Give us some juicy chunks. Based on the publicly available information, several potential psychological characteristics of Ben Con can be synthesized. His background as a vine comedian and current success in podcasting suggests a natural extroversion and a strong desire for creative expression and audience. engagement. Does that ring true for you? I do have a strong desire for create for whatever it just said. His communication style marked by directness, humor and sarcasm points to an individual

who is likely outgoing, comfortable expressing opinions and possesses a critical and analytical mind. The recurring skepticism towards financial hype indicates a cautious and intellectually honest approach, possibly shaped by past learning experiences. Possibly, definitely. His active online presence and strategic approach to content creation suggests ambition and business-oriented mindset. You know what we should have done is asked them to gear it more towards romantic. Yeah. Because it's very much

it's funny. It does talk about us leaving, on both of ours, it talks about TMG. Uh-oh. What does it say? What does it speculate? Well, no, it just tells a little bit about our psyche. The circumstances surrounding his departure from TMG studios hint at assertiveness and a strong sense of self-worth. Yeah, I picked up Cody like a fucking baby

and I shook him and I said, you better fucking give us. Well, but potential openness about having OCD could indicate self-awareness and vulnerability. Oh, yeah. I'm so self-awarely vulnerable. Finally, consistent positive feedback regarding his humor and intelligent coupled with a willingness to address potentially divisive topics reinforces his intellectual curiosity and a degree of risk-taking in his content strategy.

I'm so curious. So, wow, this thing really makes me sound like a well-rounded square. Hey gang, we've got to take a quick break. We're going to be talking about something very near and dear to my heart because I am suffering from having high blood pressure and high cholesterol. It's life insurance, baby. You know, there's many things in life we just never get around to. Picking up that hobby, cleaning out the garage, you know, the little things that don't really make huge differences in our lives. Yet there's one thing that most of us have probably been neglecting that can have a huge impact on our family's future. It's life insurance. And with Select Quote, getting covered with the right policy for you is easier and more affordable than you think. Select Quote is one of America's leading insurance brokers with nearly 40 years of experience, helping over 2 million customers find over $700 billion in coverage since 1985. That's a lot. Okay, other life insurance brokers are impersonal, one-size-fits-all policies that may cost you more and cover you less, while Select Quotes, licensed insurance agents. work for you to tailor a life insurance policy for your individual needs in as little as 15 minutes.

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It appears to be intellectually curious and analytical evidence by his diverse. professional roles, his background of political science, his engagement with complex topics. Dude, you got to slow down when you read this. You're just like, that's saying to the good parts. I'm just, sorry. His interest in a range of subjects from finance and politics to literature and history suggests broad intellectual appetite.

Oh, yeah. What does it say anything about your hair? I didn't, I don't think I saw hair. Skeptical and pragmatic outlook, particularly in his views on the economy and financial markets, his critical stance on various public figures and narratives further supports this characteristic a strong sense of humor and engaging communication style

same thing about the TMG studios indicates independent and assertive willingness to take risks and make significant professional changes based on his own judgment you guys get it willing to change the name of the show and political aware

you know hint at a degree of so all that's to say is it's it's it's scary just how much public information is out there And we're doing this to show you guys not only how it can be used, not against you in this case, but it can be used to profile you by prospective lovers, stalkers, employers, et cetera. Well, that's what was funny about this woman. It seemed very, this was in the financial times.

It's just a little opinion piece this woman, Jemima Kelly is doing. Can you imagine when she becomes an aunt, how fun that isn't within that family? That is very fun. Oh, man. But she's white, so not as fun. But I find it's very, it let us down this path because all of this other stuff going on in the news, this all feels very naive of her without kind of mentioning any of that. She's like, that's all very well. But the problem is that these large language models are unaware of the offline context that could explain why any given information is being asked for in the first place.

This experience has taught me that generative AI is creating a very unequal online world. only those of us who have generated a lot of content can be deeply researched and analyzed in this way. I think we need to start pushing back, but maybe I'm just being stressing and confrontational. That's a nod to her, what Gemini said to her. Typical, she says. Yeah, that's funny. And I think in the context of everything going on, I was like, that's your takeaway that. There's an unequal world where people who create more content or more at risk.

get kidnapped by ICE at this point? Sure. I see where I, that's, that's what we're leaning into here, which we won't do just yet because I have something to say. But folks, if you're, if you're out there, like, for example, someone, some intrepid young Googler DM'd me a couple months ago and said, hey, just letting you know your home address is on the internet. I Googled, this person told me that they Googled Ben Con Los Angeles.

First off, why were you doing that? Yeah. What are you trying to? My question for you, why were you doing that? I have so many guns and knives and long swords that I... Plus a big fucking dog who won't do shit. Did you ask, why were you Googling Ben Con last night? I did not.

I never responded to him because I was too much of in a panic because it... This thing shows up on page one when you Google me. It no longer does. Because I went in and I had to... It's fucking FINRA, dude. Because I'm a licensed day trader, I had put my... home address as my place of business. And I emailed the compliance department. Shout out to Steve, RIP Glenn, but also shout out to Glenn. And I expressed my concern with this. And at first,

I was told, I can't remember if he said, sorry, that's just the rules. Like FINRA, you can change the address, but we can't remove this from the internet. It is required. It's called broker check. Even though I'm not a broker, I'm still associated with it. So I was just like, send me the new formed a fucking change. I changed it to the PO box that we've got. It's, it's now, it's since been updated. I, Google does have a pretty handy feature where you can contest the information that's out there and explain. And I was like, I am a somewhat public figure. This is dangerous. I don't want it on there. And they removed it. Anyway, highly encourage you guys, what's that? That's just good to know. Yeah. That's, uh, also, don't fucking Google Ben and Los Angeles. Yeah. But so then, uh,

The other thing is, if you are using dating apps, don't even put where you work. Don't put what you do because you'd be surprised at what a clever Google can, the results can, what can be yielded if you're good enough and adept at searching. You can find, you can find people, man. It's easy. So just leave your shit as vague as possible. If you want to share what you do, you can say so. but don't just try to imagine

try to imagine the information beyond the defensive that the information you're putting out there how it could be possibly Googled against you if you are so inclined to keep it private which you should be. It is crazy how with just

so little you can hit the right person. Oh yeah. Oh absolutely. And like these things you use, it can be adjacent if you if you say a person works at fucking, I don't know,

some small animation studio or something. That's very specific. But that sounds like someone Googled BenConn Los Angeles. I'm trying to think of a place where there might only be a few dozen employees. And maybe that person doesn't have, you can't find them on LinkedIn or whatever. Maybe you go,

you can go to that fucking animation studios Instagram profile and then you can probably find that person within there. There's all sorts of ways you can make connections. And that's what these things do. All that's to say is there's a lot of information out there that you don't. I mean, I feel even I do it. When you do something as simple as accepting cookies, you are playing into the game. It's tracking you.

All these different things are tracking you in ways that I don't think many of us realize. Apps running in the background on your phone. So much shit is feeding into this pool of data, this pool of information. information that is part, it's like public, it's available, but it's hard to get out there. I think of the quote in the movie Heat, where Robert De Niro meets up with the computer guy who gives him the plans, the blueprints to this bank, and he says like, there's information out there. It's in the airwaves. You just got to know how to reach out and grab it. I know how to reach out, grab it. And it's that kind of thing. Yeah, we now have, we now have very real

people who know how to reach out and grab it. Yeah. And, you know, basically since the 2010s with cloud computing and smartphones, we've just been producing an incredible amount of data for tech companies. Yeah. And there is just so much data. And it's a good, Palantir is a good place to start because they were really the godfathers of this.

They, you know, in the wake of 9-11, some guys. Peter Thiel, Alex Karp Joe Joe, I'm blanking on his name now. Joe Lonsdale, Joe Lonsdale.

You know, I had this idea for Palantir. These were, you know, Peter Thiel already made his money as a member of the PayPal Mafia.

And... Oh yeah, this is pre-Facebook too. Yeah. And they, you know, the Department of defense all of this stuff was the they had all these old systems they were slow they had no

idea how to process all these things and uh all this data all this data and they saw a in in there they could create the tools to make this happen it's we've talked about palantir so many times especially on we've we've definitely played a bunch of clips uh with alex carp talking guys in absolute nut we've obviously talked about peter teal a bunch guys in absolute nut these guys probably both deserve their own episodes i wouldn't even know where to start with i wouldn't Peter Thiel, he's, uh, I mean, just from the gawker shit to his, like, C-steading Institute, just an absolute, I know someone who's been to his house. Really? In L.A.?

I think it was, yeah, the same person who knows, um, the other guy that we were going to get on. Oh, okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah. She's been to his house. Weird. Yeah. Uh, yeah. And it's, it's classic, it's classic, uh, Silicon Valley. not engaging with like sci-fi and fantasy stuff and seeing the bad, scary thing and being like, we should create that.

It's very funny. So Palantir, I didn't realize this. Named for a Lord of the Rings thing? Yeah. And not only that, okay. So the Palantir, I've never read the Lord of the Rings. Shocking. Absolutely. I was always more of a sci-fi guy

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Okay. It's an all-seeing orb thing. It's these stones you can look into and get information. All right. JR token had this idea also that it corrupts all people who use it. And this is from Reddit. A major theme of planetary usage is that while the stones show real objects or events, those using the stones had to possess great strength of will and of mind to direct the stone's gaze, to gaze its full capability. The stones were an unreliable guide to action since what was not shown could be more important than what was selectively presented.

Which feels very... God, that is cryptic as fuck. And they were not talking about the company at all. This was just their And then they talked about how the minds of Dinethor and Saruman were corrupted by their continued use of their

palantir. De Nethore to madness and despair, Sarumon to greed and a desire for dominion. Oh man. I'm always wanting dominion. I just found that two on the nose. I think that is unbelievable. But of course.

That is so fucking unbelievable. on the nose. It's absolutely wild. And it's, it's, it's depressingly ironic that they don't, that they probably don't have the self-awareness to realize exactly what they've, they've become the, the absolute definition of that thing. And I feel like a lot of people might not exactly know what Palantir does. Nobody does. That honestly is, it, it's a surveillance company. And it's a, you know, big data company. And they work with their, their clients are basically, either the government, whether that's the federal government, smaller governments.

Let's put their website real bad. Police departments, the military, all that kind of stuff. And it's difficult to know exactly what they do. We know that they do, they are providing tools to process huge amounts of data. It's almost easier to like just give examples. One of them is that squad cars, police cars,

they'll have cameras all over their car. a lot of them have cameras on the on the license plate. These license plate cameras basically are constantly taking pictures of their surroundings and they process so many images but and it's obviously way too many if they said

Ben look we you know we were driving all around the city we probably caught some crime in progress like maybe you can analyze that for you you'd be like what this is hundreds of thousands of pictures what all do you want me to do with it? They have tools where you can now analyze

this data and catch your perp. I love catching perves. I love when they lure them into Oh, I thought you said purves. By the way, here, real fast, here's a list of their various offerings, anti-money laundering, automotive and mobility, data protection, defense, ecosystem, energy, federal health, Fed Start, financial services, Palantir for Builders, government financial management, health and life sciences, hospital operations, insurance, intelligence, mission manager, Hyper Auto Rail, that's a big one. Readiness, retail, secure collaboration, semiconductors, supply chain, telecommunications, and utilities.

Yeah, they, they, I saw a great graphic that summarized what Palantir does. It showed a big pile of Legos and it said data and then the next one was all of them organized by color and size and it was like data analyzed and then the next one was a perfectly constructed Lego house. within a neighborhood and it was like this is what Palantir does with that data

it makes it gives you a understandable picture from an incomprehensible amount of data that you've been like fed and at first at least that's what they say

it should do there's a lot of people who doubt that it actually does have the capability to do all this stuff with AI and that it is reliant on a lot of

on the ground analysts much like people have accused chat chief of using cheap labor in in faraway countries to just have people answering queries, stuff like that. There's some people who are saying that this tech is not as bulletproof. Yeah, not as useful as they want to project and that it relies on a lot of very expensive IT people

that have to deploy to make this thing actually work. It IPOed in 2020 a lot more scrutiny after that. You probably started hearing about it a lot more after that. You definitely started seeing videos of Alex Karp talking to shareholders, which is... Well, because it became a huge meme stock. Yes, and he's also

a bit nuts. A bit? Yeah. Dude, this guy's off the rocker, off the reservation. There's a whole Gizmodo article just titled, Why Does Alex Karp keep talking about killing people? I think we played one of them on the live where he's talking about

And he's like an unabashed Western chauvinist. You know, the West is the best. We need to do whatever we can to protect it. And Palantir is here to disrupt and make the institutions we partner with the very best in the world. And when it's necessary to scare enemies. And on occasion, kill them. Yeah, he's basically, you know, Taika Waititi? Yes, he does.

He's Taeko Itti's warrior. Yes. He's warrior Taekwai Taiti. I'm very happy to have you along for the journey. We are crushing it. We are dedicating our company to the service of the West in the United States of America, and we're super proud of the role we play, especially in places we can't talk about. Which that'll come back because we're going to...

Yeah, they talk about... There's a lot of secrecy involved that they say there's all sorts of things and use cases that we can't even talk about that's doing good around the world. They talk about how there was a Quora question. asked five years ago on, on Quora. Before we get to that, just a little more background on, so a lot, like a lot of Silicon Valley firms in the early 2000s, they, you know, they needed funding.

They were going around trying to try to find funding. Peter Thiel and Alex Carp have stories about how they were laughed out of the room on a couple occasions. And then they got a little shot in the arm from a VC firm called in QTEL. Are you familiar with them? I've actually never heard of them. well that's the that's the venture capital firm run by the CIA oh wow so they got a little shot in the arm from the CIA VC firm and that enabled them and then for the longest time their only their only clients were the CIA and the military damn I believe the CIA has divested their their initial investment no doubt they made a pretty penny I'm sure yeah I mean these but I just love that But, I mean, you have to remember, this is also in the wake of, like, Patriot Act.

This was fucking surveillance mania. We are going to be... It is, at the time in the early 2010s, when your boy here was a major Cora head. I loved Cora. I was getting the daily digest. Cora was basically, it still is, a place where you can ask questions and people will answer them. Usually you hope to get the attention of an actual expert. but it was almost every day

it was like every college graduate wanted to work at Palantir there would be a question on there every day about what's the what's the it was just this unicorn this mythical company that was doing such cool innovative

future forward stuff and I just remember thinking what the fuck does this company do what is the big fucking deal we cut people's heads off He literally, disruption at the end of the day exposes things that aren't working. There will be ups and downs. There's a revolution.

Some people are going to get their heads cut off. We're expecting to see really unexpected things and to win. Jesus Christ. He's a nut. He's obsessed with cross-country skiing. He has like 10 houses across the world. And some interviewer asked him about it. And he was like, so you have 10 homes around the world.

And he was like, excuse me, I have 10 cross-country skiing. skiing huts. Apparently they're all in like New Hampshire, Colorado. This dude. California somewhere, the Alps or whatever. He's just an absolute freak. He said he's allergic. The idea of settling down and starting a family gives him hives. Oh, cool. Just an absolute nut. Should I tell them the Cora thing real fast then? Yeah, yeah. The Cora thing's very funny. So there was a question asked on Cora. Well, to be fair, this is about their use. of they're being used in ice?

It was effectively about how do the co-founders of Quora feel about the ethics of what the company does now? And the co-founder, one of the co-founders, Joe Lonsdale, gave this really long answer. Extremely long. And I picked a couple things. And to be fair, he nods to the name of the Lord of the Rings thing. Oh, sure. Yeah.

I mean, he gives a very thoughtful, I thought a very thoughtful answer. And there was some, I think that there was some truth in some of the opinions he had just about discourse in general. But he, he pointed, because part of my search, I was like, what good things has Palantir done? Or at least what do they assert that they've done? And he says that they've helped with busting human trafficking, human trafficking rings, drug stuff, finding missing people. And then when he does get around to ice. apparently ICE started working with Palantir under the Obama administration and he said Oh yeah, I do want to make that clear. This is not like a Trump thing. We've been doing this for

Over a decade. Yeah. This all, they started supercharging all this stuff long before Trump. But obviously this is going to get crazier. Yeah. And he said personally, I don't agree with much of the indignity with which we treat visitors to our country. It's particularly important for our reputation and our economy that we are more respectful to legal visitors who should be honored guests. Waiting as little as possible when coming in, but perhaps even more important on a moral level are those who are here illegally. Our progress as a moral people can best be measured by the dignity and respect with which we treat the least well off among us, and few are less well off than the poor migrants seeking opportunity to participate in our great nation. The level of

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other system that was less effective at doing its job, which would also mean a system that was less effective at watching the watchers. I don't know what that means. Because, all right. Does it monitor the fucking... Also, I find this quote, he puts it in bold. I find he, like, he gives his whole game away here. He's basically saying, look, if we didn't do it, someone else would, and they just wouldn't be as good as we were. And when he talks about those watches thing, it's basically he and Alex, Alex Carp in an interview talked about how, like, the idea is to because all right if we're working

with these governments well they'll have their own oversight body and the thing is that they don't really have any programs to put those in place so I think the interviewer said was like oh is anyone doing that

and Alex Karp was like well not yet and it's like all right so no one's watching the watchers you guys are just like doing all this insane shit and yeah he's like look

someone was going to do it we had to and we're making a lot of money doing it A lot of the very valid criticism that has come out of this whole thing is that this was all, like much of the tech stuff that has emerged in the last 10, 20 years, is it, it's, it begins to beg the question of legality, and there are no laws around some of this stuff. Like we'll get into with the dragon thing, the other program that ICE is using, it's like in this murky gray area legally, that the, the, system is not set up, set up, or equipped to deal with. In as much as post-9-11, the government was just in disarray with all this data that it wasn't able to, uh, put together to, to do anything with. So too are we now today just as inept and incapable of properly governing and

designing and, um, and administering laws around these things. And they're perfectly comfortable operating in those gray areas. I think, uh, he, he would, he would, profit to be made. That license plate, those license plate cameras that collect all those images and stuff. That's very real. And Alex Carp was asked about that and he said, you know, look, if we're violating some kind of Fourth Amendment thing, then we'll adapt to that. Until then, we're going to keep fucking... Exactly. Until that, and we're going to play within the bounds of what we think is some kind of legal grade. Right. That's what Joe Lonsdale essentially says in this long winded answer is,

well we have always prided our we always pride ourselves on operating within the bounds of of the law which reminds me of the line from fucking margin call uh jeremy irons when he says we are selling these to uh willing buyers at the current fair market price right when it's like you know you're selling shit to to uh to ignorant buyers right not only that i mean even outside of look everyone there was we were very young when it was happening, but I remember a huge backlash towards the Patriot Act. But even outside of kind of nefarious legislation on its own, the U.S. government just has not been good about keeping up with tech, the rate of their, you know, their leaps and bounds they've made in their technology and all that, and to be able to institute any kind of bumpers or protections for people. So that's a common thread with all tech where they're just like, I don't know, we were kind of doing, there was no law against it.

Yeah. Now we don't know your debt. By the time the profit has been made, the influence of these companies is so great that it makes it all but impossible for effective legislation to take hold. Because everybody's fucking good luck policing meta now, a two, three trillion dollar company to which the S&P and the NASDAQ are all so reliant on to keep everybody's fucking IRAs

and 401Ks at their valuations it's like oh fuck you also haven't done by far my favorite quote out of all this

from Joe Lonsdale despite its good work and perhaps because I'm more public than other co-founders I'm sometimes protested or featured in online screeds

against the company most of this is due to one small aspect of what it does it's work with ice I didn't anticipate this when thinking of the positive achievements

and near term negative possibility I expected pushback about allying with more controversial U.S. allies that we were encouraged to help coordinate with the CIA, which made me nervous, were they to figure out how to use the system towards ends

that are not aligned with our values? Or perhaps protest against working with parts of the U.S. intelligence community that use controversial data collection techniques. I find it so funny that he's like, I was shocked that you guys were upset about the ice stuff. I thought for sure you guys were going to find that we were allying some pretty unsavory people.

And we let them use our tech, which was a little fucky. Yeah, but it paid so well, you know. Or I thought you guys might get a little pissed about our kind of controversial data collection tactics. Oh, but he goes on to say Palantir has an extraordinary history of confronting the ethical issues in its sector from its very founding, proactively doing extra work to inculcate appropriate moral values and build infrastructure that protects civil liberties and enforces policy. In other words, grappling with and investing in these decisions in profound

ways. I went ahead and checked out their ethics page and it is I mean, it's fucking, it's very long. And they've got it broken down into these different, I don't know, pillars, if you will. Keep going.

We are committed to the following principles for advancing this approach. Focus on the fully integrated system, not just its component tools, Technology's limits. Keep AI responsible, accountable, and oriented towards humans. Each one of these has an entire, like, essay written about it. Promote multi-stakeholder engagement. Don't solve problems that shouldn't be solved. Adhere to methodological best practices for sound data science. Methodological. I could say it. I know how to say it. In sure technical...

That how is Aidan Ross coded? Who? Aiden Ross? Yeah. What is, what was the word? It doesn't matter. Fascism, fascism. So I'm sure that despite their ethical, their page on ethics, they're always going to find ways to...

Oh, brother, I'll tell you what. I don't think they care a lot about... Justify. A lot about ethics. For example, they operated in secret with the New Orleans Police Department. This is recent. From 2012 to 2018 for six years.

No one knew what was happening. New Orleans City Council when they found out about it and James Carville was the one who connected it all and it came out in 2018 there were stories about it and then all of a sudden they never

because it was it was two year contracts 2012 to 14, 2014, 2016, 2016, 2018 then all of a sudden they didn't renew their contract interesting what were they doing

what were they doing down there in the deep sell-off well I mean there's they've also there there have been other attempts with predictive policing type stuff that, uh, they try to implement. Um, and that's kind of part of the problem. They do a good job of, with all this stuff. It's very like national security where it's like, well, you know, you wouldn't want this to happen, would you? Well, then you better hand over your rights. And, uh, you know,

they can point to, well, we, you know, we use that, um, we used that license plate camera thing in New York one time and we found, uh, we found a sex offender or something like that. Uh, you don't want sex offenders on the street. But then when they actually run data, they're like, you know, this predictive policing thing hasn't actually gained out a meaningful reduction in crime. Not only that, there's all these complaints about, you know, imagine that psychological profile, but then we have criminal records. And, you know, this thing is just like, and they're like, look, we figured it out. We are just, now what we do is we just show up and harass anyone with criminal records and

that's how we'll stop crime. We think we have the suspect. We ran them through our AI. I mean, I was a lewd suspect famously in college. That's right. Yeah, I was the Lute Suspect. The Long Beach Mooner.

It's now, it's totally gone from the internet. Thank God. Well, not thank God. I think it's funny. I did like this quote from Alex Karp from several years ago talking about, quite candidly about just how powerful,

Palantir and other big data. God, I remember when big data was just like the buzzword in 2012, 2011. He said, the power of advanced algorithmic warfare systems is now so great that it equates to having tactical nuclear weapons against an adversary with only conventional ones. In other words, as this stuff gets more and more powerful, these algorithms, it's just, it's game over. I mean, it really has changed the face of warfare. Yeah, not only that, for the past, probably since like 2008, I would say is when people really, no, probably earlier with Facebook, even like 2006, ordinary citizens have just been creating massive amounts of data. There's ordinary people just going online. Oh, dude.

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They're like, well, people are just recklessly giving Facebook its data. Facebook doesn't care about it. But then Palantir will be like, yeah, sure, we scrape their data for our psychological profiling. It's like when you smoke weed and you ran out of weed and you got all the residue on the pipe, you scrape that shit with the key. You can still get high, baby. That's what Palantir's doing. But we alluded to it a little bit with the Quora post. People were very upset when they found out about ICE using these things.

Palantir has been involved in you know behind some massive raids were they able to I mean think about you can track people's movements we're going to get into all these sites that people use and they tried to keep it hidden for a long time they finally started copying to it in 2020 and it's only just gotten crazier

I started using a thing called Babel X in which was reported on by Vice in 2023 Oh X like the Tower of Babel. Yeah, the one and only. Or the language learning software. Boy, they got to fuck. They fucked up.

And then the big one right now is this thing called Shadow Dragon. And all of this is coming at a time where I'm sure everyone is familiar with the Mahmoud Khalil case. But there's just been another Columbia student, Yun Sao Chung, who is now...

On the run, on the lamb. Well, she's suing the, she's suing Trump administration for trying to arrest her and deport her. Even though she's a fully legal, legal citizen. So Shadow Dragon is a company, and straight from their website, they say, we strive to help. So who are they? They say, we strive to help businesses, law enforcement, governments, and military focus on effective investigation or analysis. In other words, we exist so the good guys win in the bad. guys lose. Love that. Love that. All of this

404 media broke this story. Yeah. They did and do really good reporting on all this crazy tech. So Shadow Dragon is the, yeah, let's go ahead and click the website. Let's check out the website what it looks like. It's this, yeah, the world's data opened to you. And I'm sorry I keep alternating between data and data. They, yeah, a contractor for they use this tool called

social net. And a contractor for ICE and many other U.S. government agencies has developed a tool that lets analysts more easily pull a target individuals publicly available data from a wide array of sites, social networks, apps, and services across

the web at once, including Blue Sky, only fans, and various meta platforms according to a leaked list of the sites obtained by 404 Media. In all, the list names more than 200 sites that Shadow Dragon pulls data from and makes available to its government clients, allowing them to map out a person's activity, movements, and relationships.

It's so many sites. I mean, there's... Pull up the PDF. There we go. I got it right there. They go through major tech and social platforms. Okay, so you have Amazon, Apple, Facebook, and Instagram, LinkedIn, next door, Pinterest, Reddit, Snapchat, I hope not.

Nope. We need to TikTok, Twitter, blue sky. Chess.com. Search. Then they have searching data before. professional networks, Google, GitHub, Glass Door, Substack, TripAdvisor, Yelp, GoFund me. They have entertainment sites, Xbox, YouTube, Twitch, Duolingo.

Dualingo. They're even coming for your 1,000-day streak, Strava. They know when you're out for a run. Only fans, that's really fucked up. Pornhub. Yeah, they also have weird, like, FetLife. Fat life? What's fat life?

It's for fetishes. You wouldn't know that. You'd connect. Tinder, Etsy, and then communication things like Discord. What's app, I find very, that's not even a social media app, man. People are just using that as a message. Absolutely. So you says that, dude, come on. Haven't you ever been to Europe? But it's a messaging app. Sure, but isn't, it's, it's got more beyond that. I know, but people mainly use it. I'm not trying to make some big point here about WhatsApp, but it's just, it's just, it's just,

Yelp. Baby center, flight aware, it's all. Baby center. Audio, USA. Yeah, anyway. So let's check out the, uh, I, I went ahead and went all over Shadow Dragons website, and let's check out the video for the social net. This is their hype video for this tool that ICE has been using. Spooky. For the audio listener, I just, you'll listen carefully. Ooh, scary. One of the cases that kicked all this off was an intellectual property theft case,

where we had to go and do dis forensics and memory forensics, network forensics, and then also start expanding out like theories on former contractors, former employees, and figure out how they're related to an intellectual property theft case. that whole story took about two years of slowly building different breadcrumbs into a link analysis chart and then going to social media mapping that out and that's where things were really super boring because it was like man i need to do this a million different times love the music that's why social net started all right pause it real last this this part right here is absolutely essential what this guy says what what it does so let's go sorry close to a hundred different

platforms you can pop in an email, an alias, a name, phone number, a variety of different things. You can immediately have information on your target. We can see interests, we can see who friends are, we can see pictures, videos, what is available on the platform that we find. We just speed up people's ability to ask different questions across multiple different profiles and identities, social media platforms, video game forums. We make it so it's easy. When the FBI started using it, they didn't invent.

evaluation and their comments backward what used to take us two months in a background check or an investigation is now taking between five to 15 minutes oh good great why they got a little uh graphics showing all the different things that they can all right so so yeah and there's no all you need is an email and alias anything and it'll find everything that that is possibly can connected and build an entire profile around you that like he said used to take months of of uh doing it manually which this tool now does just so fast also important to note there okay so that guy daniel clemens you saw that is the shadow dragon CEO i all i want to note there is no one normal who works on these things okay so see the way he was looking at the thing what he used to take in a long time now only takes 15 minutes. Daniel Clemens, Shadow Dragon CEO, previously said in a podcast that protesters should not be surprised

when people are going to investigate you because you made their life difficult. In that same podcast, he added that protesters are probably not moving the needle at all. My word of advice, for anybody that's feeling invited into the rage mob of the day is, hey man, get off social media, go buy a lake house, get a beach house,

do something. Get in debt and get off social media. Don't get invited into all this rage. Wow. These people... Man, I never thought of that. I should go buy a lake house. I know.

I think instead of getting worked up about, you know, society's ills, I should just... Get in debt, man. Buy a lake house. Buy a lake house. Maybe a beach house. Maybe both. That'll take my mind off it. That's fucking bananas.

These people are freaks. The fact that he's like... Don't concern your... self with any of these things. He'd be the people protesting the Vietnam War in the fucking 60s. He'd be like, these guys are all losers. All the people, the march in, where was it, in Alabama, Birmingham? Yeah, he'd be going like, these, these black people shouldn't be protesting. Just, man, get off, get off, get your head out of the newspaper. Go buy a beach house. Go buy a beach house where you can, the blacks only beach house.

So they obviously have not come forward and say, like, yes, we have worked on this Mahmoud Khalil case or anything like that. They have said they used them to monitor protests. He obviously said in that they started working with the FBI. We'll see what their involvement with all of this, with all of these high profile cases is. But these guys are freaks. So in the beginning of that video, this is like their, you know, promotional material for people. it opens with that bridge and it's got people's cars and it's got like their face yeah the little profile and i'm like if that doesn't make your skin crawl yeah when you see it if you go ah now that's that's the

world we want to see safe safety yes i want to be able to one of those guys each and every one of these little guys yeah just absolute freak shit yeah and also just their choice of music what why were they trying to make it as spooky, scary don't trust us as possible. Because they can't tell that they are... That they're the fucking baddies. That they're the scariest guys in the world.

Jesus Christ. Yeah. So Mozilla, the Mozilla Foundation who makes the popular browser Firefox, they are calling for they're calling for over 30 of these websites to be to not, to make

sure that they're aware of this happening because a lot of, you know, it's been under fucking cloak and dagger. To be fair, 404 media does contact a bunch of the sites and they get, they get statements back from them. And it seems like once again, it's another example of a tech company surveillance company just being like, we don't care. Because most of them said, yeah, that violates our, that violates our terms. Yeah, accessing user data like that. They have a terms of service, which says users will not scrape, collect, search, copy, or otherwise access data or content from Pinterest in an unauthorized way. Cash app also pointed to its terms and service where they have a similar thing.

Facebook, Instagram, and threads said unauthorized scraping is against our terms, and we routinely investigate and take action to enforce our terms against unauthorized scrapers. Snap said any scraping violates their terms. LinkedIn. Chess.com came out pretty strong. We were... We were not previously aware that Shadow Dragon was scraping. data from Chess.com. To clarify our position, we do not permit the use of personal information from our users

without a valid legal basis and compliance with applicable laws, even if such information is publicly available. Thank you, Chess.com, for standing up. Wow, that was such a lawyer fucking response. All the applicable laws were with a I'm sure their lawyer wrote it. Well, yeah, of course.

So, what do you think, folks? What's the big takeaway here? Well, your data is liquid gold. It's out there. It's, it's Texas tea bubbling up from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the, from the sands of fucking Houston or whatever, wherever oil is in Texas. Nobody knows. Nobody knows where it is. It's out there, though.

And these companies, they're drinking it up. They're drinking your milkshake. It is funny. I mean. And helping the cops. You were, you were right that the whole big data thing was a very buzzy thing for a long time. Those people, those people weren't wrong. it was just kind of the sense of

what could ordinary people do, right? It was... Yeah. There was... You either need the government to act or you need to say, you know what, I'm not engaging with these systems.

I'm not going to engage in any of these social media programs. It is... We do know one person who, like, never got on him. He has a flip phone, and we always are like... Do I know this person?

No. And we're like, damn, dude, you are like a... You just have no footprint. You could kill the... You're the guy. The guy. We need...

Yeah. We have a mission for you. What's another thing that these, that, that Joe, the co-founder of Palantir does say, and it's a common refrain with this. And it's one that I grapple with because it's like we talked about it with the whole AGI thing. One of his arguments, not even arguments, one of his, he goes through his thought process of starting the company and where the company's at now and what the American

and government's role is and all this is, hey, we got to get serious about this because this is the future of warfare, whether you like it or not. And China is doing the, our adversaries are doing the exact same things that we are doing. And we need to, it's all part of the accelerationist ethos of we need to just full steam ahead, damn the ethical implications, or at least put them on hold for now. We just need to see this through to its inevitable completion so that we, the United States of America and the West, comes out on top. Yeah, I've obviously, I think I've even seen other Palantir people talking about that where it's like, look, China doesn't have a Palantir right now, okay?

But they're working on it. And I don't want to know what their Palantir's capable of. I mean, if their EVs and their infrastructure is any fucking hints, brother, they're going to wipe the floor. They know where you are right now. Yeah. Jesus, God. I think, I mean, just outside of any kind of foreign affairs or national security just as a human, you have to just

this sucks. I think running the thing on the Gemini, you go, this. Running the thing on the Gemini. Running the psychological profile, you're just like, this is bad. We should not be able to do this. It also, yeah, it holds,

an uncomfortable mirror at yourself. Remember which Batman? Was it the Dark Night? Batman? Where he he's like, I've figured it out. We're going to turn on every cell phone. Oh, yeah. And it is the Dark Night. Morgan Freeman's like, well, I don't know about

the implications. That would be pretty bad. Yeah. He's like, fuck you. Yeah. And he basically just he basically creates Palantir real quick. Hold on now for him to create Palantier and find the Joker. And, uh, and yeah. we all we all turned that on in the name of um safety yes which which they've proven they can't

really keep us that safe that's the word you know they sold it to us on this false premise and now they just control us and i mean watching those guys in that fucking office talk about how like yeah you know we we used to have to comb through all your data now i can just get a profile you in 15 minutes yeah um damn you better hope i don't have your strava account you better not catch me on your run. I mean, this is not to be like hyperbolic, but... No, B. We've also got hundreds of hours of us...

Being cool and funny? Being cool and funny, but also being... Hinting at sending mail bombs. Yeah, being a bit irreverent, like, because it was funny and, you know... And that's the thing... Talking about, yeah, making light of sending mail places. Yeah, and these algorithms... Venting the fact that the, that shooter in Butler, Pennsylvania missed, all kinds of things.

And you have a, we have our idiot king who's pretty hell bent on. Destoring his enemies? Yeah. And has said as much. Whether it comes to people who want to do something as like small as vandalizing a car or as big as, you know, thinking that they might be some kind of. opposition to him down the line we obviously don't know what that's going to look like down the line

but these tools make that frightening I mean there was one interesting if there's any kind of because you know I'm reading through this I'm so just like

oh god this is depressing and really bleak and gross and what kind of world are we living in right now there was one interesting takeaway about the use of algorithms

in warfare, and I think it was part of the Quora answer, or it was elsewhere. I think it was a Time magazine article about, yeah, it was a Time magazine article about Palantir's use in the war in Ukraine, circa early mid-2020, or 22, I can't remember. But the reporter went to London to visit the Palantir office there, and he got just a in-depth look at how this stuff works. and the people they were walking him through some of the use cases, especially in the context of warfare. And one of them is gaming out situations, gaming out scenarios wherein the algorithm and the algorithm of an adversary could both come to the same conclusion that, hey, this will result in the stalemate, this particular battle or whatever, will only result in deaths and all sorts of costly things for both. so we recommend that you don't go do that battle.

They're going to create the... It's just a one big fuck, just play chess then. It just comes down to fucking chess, like algorithmic chess. There's an old Star Trek episode. Fucking dorky. They basically, they find out that there's this planet that's been at war for forever. And they say, you know, maybe we can go and help solve this problem,

negotiate a ceasefire. So Shatner? or the bald guy, Stuart. I can't remember. Patrick Stewart, okay. But they end up going, they get to the planet, and they go, well, this does not seem like a planet that's been at war forever. They can't, they see no indication of warfare.

But what they find is that they are, they basically have like that, like an algorithm playing out the war for them. You don't actually have to fight the war, but they are still killing the people. So they'll be like, oh, you know, we would have lost like 300 people here and they like get zapped or whatever and pulverized. Jesus Christ. When are we going to just marvel at ourselves? When do we stop and go, damn, we did it, humanity.

Awesome. Hey, maybe we should just stop. Hey, Putin, cut it out. Hey, Xi Jinping. Hey, Donald Trump. Fucking quit it, man. Just we, we, humanity, we've got the abundance. We've got the tools.

Oh, don't get me started on the abundance, abundance, bros. Abundsens. Have you been keeping up with the abundance? No, I can't get into the drama because it's so poisoned by people who either don't like the fucking, they're like, Ezra Klein is whatever. And I'm like,

okay, therefore everything that he says in the book is invalidated. Whatever it is he's saying is, I don't know. I don't think that's true. I've seen like very good analyses of their. Send them to me. Send them to me.

Yeah. Speaking of which, though, real fast, I met up with a friend over the weekend, had a great time. We went to the Huntington, which is the botanical gardens here in Los Angeles. Total dream of a place. But she was telling me that she has recently been using Claude as a therapist. Dude. And she could not say enough good things about it. As someone who, she's been in professional actual human therapy for decade plus, she said it was so comprehensive.

comprehensive and so understanding and so massively helpful, not only in the practical advice it gave, but in just feeling, making her feel heard and understood. Wow. And she was encouraging me to do the same. Are you going to do it? I don't know. Yeah, maybe. Yo, what's cracking?

I also, because I feel like there's a, you know, it's a thing that comes up in relationships sometimes where someone's like, my therapist said like, blah, blah, blah. Oh, yeah. I was talking to Claude. Yeah. I think you're emotionally abusive. Yeah. I, yeah.

That's a tough sell. I don't like when people say what their therapist says about the person because it's not fair. It's not accurate. It's incredibly one-sided. Right. They've never met the person. Yeah. Man.

I didn't say I do that. Yeah. No, you absolutely didn't say that. It's just a thing that people do. But it is an interesting use case for AI that I think is. is a positive. It's a potentially, hopefully, a positive force. And then also, I was going to share this as a story,

but I thought it would just deserve a mention. Google did this longitudinal study. Apparently, they're not doing latitude studies, if you know what I'm saying, man. Just the longitude. It's an equatorial study. A fucking prime meridian of a study over here. But sorry.

Okay. Of AI. The joke doesn't hit the first time, so you do three more. Oh, yeah. Well, it's the rule of three. Google, I'm butchering this, but in my paraphrasing, but they had an AI model supplement a doctor, multiple doctors and patients in their diagnoses, and they got feedback from not only the doctors, but the patients, both the doctors and the patients expressed glowing

positive reviews for the supplementing that the AI. I was doing in helping to diagnose, helping to treat over the course of many months and I thought that that was positive. And Google's takeaway was this still has a long way to go but first impressions are very, very, very good. Matt Brunigs was pretty good.

Malcolm God, the guy who wrote Palo Alto. Gladwell? No. I hate Malcolm Gladwell. Well, folks, he's got commercials on I-HeartRadio for his fucking podcast. Boy, they'll give anybody a podcast these days. Right, folks? Malcolm Harris

This was pretty good as well Excuse me You can't keep up You can't keep track All these goddamn names So in conclusion I mean we'll probably talk about it Friday The CoreWeave IPO is happening

As it pertin Because it relates to AI But you know whatever And there was a pretty big It fooled me for a second But I was like there's no way this is real There was audio that was allegedly leaked There was alleged audio that was leaked, whatever, of J.D. Vance talking shit on Elon Musk.

Sounds so real. And as it turns out, completely fake. And that's just a, that's just a preview things to come. I'm gonna come. Yeah, I don't know, man. Hands off my, hands off my online profile. Yeah. You don't understand me, Alex Carp. Yeah, nobody does. You freak. Go back to cross-country security.

Only my mom understands me and my dog. You think because you can see how many steps I did this year? You understand what's going on up here? Yeah. You don't know shit. We contain multitudes. Settle down. Have a family.

Buy a lake house. Yeah. Sorry if that gives you hives. Get in debt. Yeah. Stay away from the rage. Anyway, folks, thank you so much for tuning in and we'll see you next week. Coming up on this week's episode of Ben and Emile Show.com.

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stick my hands in my mouth That's right. Don't be afraid of nature's saliva. I mean, this is pretty... Call it fear, disgust, or whatever you like, but it's teeming with bacteria and causes illness. Yeah. Would you rather have the Ashton Hall daughter or hippie guy's son?

Hippy guy son. Yeah, I'd rather have... He's at least... I think he's more rooted in reality. If I had to talk to both of them, I think I'd have an easier time talking to the hippie. And being like, yeah, we really did fuck out the whole planet, It's kind of sad what we did, but this guy just being like, okay, you did 10K.

Let's get it to 20K. What are you talking about? How? It'd be like, you got a hustle max.