The Ben and Emil Show - BAES MAIN 161: Apple Declares War on OpenAI with Hilarious Lawsuit

Episode Date: July 16, 2026

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to know is that Apple has just filed a major lawsuit against OpenAI. And when we say major, it's a doozy. Major. Yeah. Okay, they're alleging some pretty serious stuff here. Breach of contract, secret, trade secret theft. So this chief hardware officer, Teng Ten, asked job candidates to bring in Apple components. He was calling it show and tell.

Yeah. He said, bring them in for show and tell. Let me see what you're working on. Yeah, let's see what you're working on. Let's break it down. So cool. It's just, like so many super confidential stuff that we normies don't even know. about like secret projects that may never get announced part of the reason why this all happened is because these people were so stupid and so brazen that's what i can't i'm like

they're communicating on apple hardware within apple's walls and all this stuff is logged yeah we have the latest prototype for the chinese guy leaked it yeah because steve jobs is dead if there were any leaks he made it like his focus find the leak and and murder that person. You think they need to chop someone's head off at Apple. That's what they used to do. That's what Steve Jones used to do.

I do hope the new CEO of Apple is taking a lesson from Ben's anecdote here. Which is what? Kill them? You got to take him down to the cafeteria. Get him on his knees. Shoot him in the back of the head. Yeah.

What is going on, you guy? Everybody, hello. My name Ben, that a meal. What's going on? Today we're going to tell you what's going on. We're going to tell you all about what's going on. Please forgive us if this episode is edited together.

There's going to be probably a lot of cuts. We did something before we started recording called the hashtag lettuce challenge, and we are squirting. We encourage you all to take the hashtag lettuce challenge. Yeah, I'm dying over here, man. Coffee was

a bad idea to go with that lettuce. Crazy time to have a diarrhea bug. It's like 95 degrees all across the entire country. Everyone just sweating it out in there. Couldn't be me, man. I'm doing fine. I'm sailing. Anyway, this week we're talking about Apple is suing Open AI. Meta's got a new model. Not

that type of model, you pervert. Not like a clothing model. Not that that would make you a pervert. AI, a new AI model. And they're getting sued for over like a trillion dollars. Plus, ding dong, the queen is dead. Lindsay Graham. We salute him. We will talk about that later.

But first, hey, remember to go to Ben and Emileadso.com like last week or two weeks ago. We watched Independence Day and I took an edible and it was chaotic and very fun. Very fun. Also, remember, credit card list.com. The Chase Sapphire sign-up bonus is currently up to 100,000 points that won't last very long. And we went in on the back end.

If you're a But Nugget, you can't access it. Yeah, but Nuggets can't get it. And also, we are going to make a video on how to redeem points. We're going to do a whole, like, a little mini series on credit cards because you little, reeks have been asking and we're going to do that. I guess that's a good point. If you're not, if you don't know how to use them, you're kind of just like, what the hell's going on here? I mean, a friend of mine literally before I left today, my friend who's very, very, one of the

smartest people I know, the daughter of two doctors, just a genius, she didn't know anything about the credit card game. And she goes, I'm about to buy like a mattress for $3,000. What kind of card should I get? And I was like, oh, well, the thing that really drives me nuts is that websites, Amazon is a great example will be able to read how many, if you have a, you know, you enter your card on there and it's saved, they can read like, oh, you have this many Amex points. Do you want to use them? And people will be like, yeah, I don't know, just whenever it prompts me, I just, and I'm like,

no, dude, don't do that. God, anyway. And real quick, let's, let's play the, let's show the comment of the week from last week's episode, because it was a real banger. It was a good, good episode. This one comes from Crocodile Pilot who said, Ben is actually so dumb and this episode was an excellent demonstration of that. Cheers, Crocodile Pilot. You are right.

Anyway. And I want you all to know, Ben had me find a comment of the week and I was looking and he said, find the one that says I'm dumb. And I was like, why do we want to do that one? And he says, because I like it.

Because it's funny. It's funny to me. Because I like it. It doesn't hurt my feelings. Because I know I'm not dumb. Do the five likes. on it hurt your feelings? There were that many?

I thought that there were more. No, because that just means that... That just means crocodile pilot has a bunch of... Idiots. Idiots in his crocodile army. Yeah. Misery loves company. Stupid loves company.

How's it feel, crocodile pilot? I got the last laugh. Ha, ha, ha, ha. A crocodile couldn't fly a plane. Anyway. Apple. Apple? This is generally one of the most...

fun story. This is... It's awesome. The Ben and Emile Show gods have smiled upon us with this one. These people, Chinese people are... Why? Why? Because they're extremely Chinese. Do you deny

this fact? I honestly don't know... There is no China aspect to this. There's no China aspect. I don't know what the... I'm just painting a picture here. It's just part of the details. If they were American, they are. I actually don't know they're

status. I'm not waiting into this. All you need to know is that Apple has just filed a major lawsuit against Open AI. And when we say major, it's a doozy. Major. Yeah. Okay, they're alleging some pretty serious stuff here. And this is, this just happened.

This was last Friday. Yeah. This is. Which of contract, trade secret theft. Yeah. What's basically happening is that Open AI, which we've covered a little bit, they've been wanting to get into the hardware game. We all remember the, which this is very relevant.

They bought out Joni Ive and his company. Who was the lead product designer? He's the reason why iPhones and everything looks the way that they do. He and Steve Jobs basically created everything. He was the head shit product guy at Apple. Head shit product? Head shit product guy. Yeah, okay.

That's what I thought you said. Open AI wants to get a lot. of the product game. Okay? They're going to make phones obsolete. And they bought him. They're going to put agents in your, they're going to put agents in your pocket.

Yeah. You're not going to need a phone anymore. Hey, I'm going to put a thousand agents in your pocket. But the problem is, it wasn't just Joni I've. They have now recruited, I think there's about 400 Apple employees working, former Apple employees working at Open AI,

which on its face, okay, fine. A lot of them have been jumping ship to go to Open AI. But it's been getting way weirder. Yeah. They've, uh, a guy Tang Tan. Yeah. Chief hardware officer.

Chief hardware officer at OpenAI. Mm-hmm. Was it, was a VP at Apple. It's been 24 years there. 24 years. VP of product design for the iPhone and the Apple Watch. What? I'm just laughing.

This story is. Oh, yeah. Psycho. Yeah. They, well, first of, in foremost, the, the main overarching thing from this lawsuit is, that Apple says that it is not a one-time thing, that this is an ongoing pattern of theft from Open AI employees who used to work at Apple

and directed other existing Apple employees to steal trade secrets before poaching them. Yeah, this is from the complaint. They say at every level, from members of its technical staff to its chief hardware officer and in coordination with business partners, OpenAI has been stealing Apple's trade secrets and confidential information.

Awesome. And it's such, it's such, by the way, real fast, just to backtrack, I saw a couple anecdotes online today, speaking of poaching employees, back when Steve Jobs was alive. He got really pissed off at a former, there was a former Apple guy who started a company called Nest. Was that the like, the thermostat? I think so. Oh, yes, yes.

It's got to be. and they at the time had poached 80 to 100 Apple employees. And Steve Jobs called this guy and screamed at him. He knew him. He was an old friend, but he was like, what the hell are you doing, stealing other people? And the guy said, he just said back to Steve, hey, Steve, it's Apple's job to retain these employees. It's not my problem. It's your problem.

It's your job to retain these people. don't get mad at me for luring them away. And apparently Steve Jobs just was like, hmm, I'm going to put a thousand songs in your pocket. I'm going to put a thousand AI agents in your pocket. And then they just went on their conversation about like, oh, so how are the kids and stuff? Which I agree with.

That's why I said like, you know, on its face, okay, 400 Apple employees. Out of how many thousands, tens of thousands. 400 Apple employees end up at OpenAI. Yeah. But as we're going to get into, it's a great. It's a little bit crazier than just poaching some employees.

So this chief hardware officer, Tang Ten, sounds like Hang Ten, if you say it, Fastena. He used confidential project names during interviews. So, like, he's interviewing Apple employees, and he's using confidential names for these things, whatever their code names are for these projects. And he asked job candidates to bring in Apple components. Not just like the pieces themselves, but like inner parts, batteries, actuator, or whatever the hell pieces. He was calling it show and tell. Yeah, he said, bring them in for show and tell. Let me see what you're working on.

Yeah, let's see what you're working on. He also coached departing employees on how to evade security procedures so that they could leave unscathed because apparently, you know. Well, they had a whole document. They were basically like, this is best practices for when you leave because. Number one, we don't want you to sign anything. We don't want you to, like, in your exit interviews, we don't want you to sign any confidential agreements that could leave us in a tricky position like we are now.

We don't want you... Oh, we also, the last thing we would want is for you to not be able to, like, serve out your standard two weeks after you've put in your notice, right? So if you say, hey, I'm leaving the job. Normally you'd stay there for two weeks. We want you there for those two weeks, gaining intel and stuff.

And so they had all these things. Don't tell them what company you're going to work for. Did not say you're going to work for Open AI because they might just immediately freeze you out. Say, don't come in here to finish out your two weeks. So yeah, it was a whole system they had to make sure. To keep you in there as a mole. To keep them in there as moles.

Part of the reason why this all happened is because these people were so stupid and so brazen. That's what I can't. They're communicating on Apple hardware within Apple's walls, and all this stuff is logged. So Apple can and does regularly investigate for business espionage type stuff. Yeah, and especially with people who have left, they're looking through their correspondence and all that. So it's not just Tang Tan. They also, there was this person, Chang Liu, who was a former Apple engineer.

He's now at Open AI. This guy rocks. Chang Lu is the hero of the story. Yu Ting Peng was not named in the suit, but she shows up a ton. Another former employee who joined OpenAI in 26. Yeah. And they had like a whole system. You know, Chang Lu, as Ben described... Chang Lu rocks.

Not only were they using the Apple devices, but they were holding on to them to try to get more data. Changlu kept an Apple-owned computer, allowing him to download dozens of confidential files. He told you Ting Peng that he had another computer when that one got seized. Yeah, within hours of leaving Apple, this guy, Chang Liu, messaged this woman, Peng, who was still an Apple employee and said, I still have another computer. He worked there for eight years, a senior systems electrical engineer. And here, let's click that link. Mr. Liu celebrated his find. Basically, he found out that he could still log in to... They're like cloud-based network storage.

Yeah, their network storage. And this was weeks after he left the company. And he wrote, L-O-L, I found out I can access the cloud repository network storage. So funny. And then he sent this woman paying a bunch of technical files, manufacturing. And Peng responded to that, and she just said, I'm ready. Oh, yeah, I'm ready.

It's so, I don't understand it. So, yeah, he wrote. Well, they're probably getting a fucking boatload of money. Oh, yeah. So then Lou sent her. a bunch. So he logs in. He's at OpenAI. He logs in remotely, brags about it to this woman, says he, oh my God, it's so funny, I can still log in, these idiots. Downloads a ton of technical files, manufacturing and testing presentations, and then coached her on how to copy those files, told her which Apple confidential materials to study before her interview, because apparently he knew internally what had caused other Apple employees to fail their interviews. So he's like, okay, here's what you got to say.

Here's the stuff you got to bring in, everything you got to do. And then after all of this, they both decided, hey, maybe we should switch to Line to chat about this so that we're not. Maybe we should have these Apple devices. Yeah, maybe we should chat elsewhere. And Line, of course, is the famous Chinese messaging app. And good for her. She got the job. How did she tell it off?

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now rests on the shakiest of foundations rotten to its core by its illegal reliance on misappropriated trade secrets. And now, I mean, because they're going to have discovery, they're going to have access to all of OpenAI's internal comm stuff. So could really blow the bar doors open. I can't imagine what. they're going to find. Like, it goes so much deeper.

So Peng, while she was still working at Apple, was leaking even more information to Lou. So after Lou leaves, Pang is keeping Lou in the loop about all the Apple projects. And she's the one, or I guess Lou is telling Peng how to copy all the files from Apple so they could avoid trouble with the security team. the interview process thing is so wild. It's not just the show and tell thing. He was like specifically soliciting Apple employees and trying to get them to leak trade secrets

in their interview. I wonder if he got like kickbacks for every employee that he like recommended or something. Well, I'm sure it was just part of his job. You know, he goes from 24 years at Apple to being head of product at

Open AI. I'm sure that's a massive bump. Oh yeah. And I'm sure he's not only motivated for himself

to succeed at the job but also Open AI is like, hey, we cannot let this be a... Well, it just,

this cannot be a failure. Like, this can not be a, remember the humane pin? Like, Open AI's got enough shit going on. You mean you don't want

to read emails on your hand? I want to do that, dude. I want to read my emails. He had one employee screenshot and download files related to a highly confidential Apple project before an interview with OpenAI. So cool. It's just like so many super confidential stuff that we normies don't even know about. Like secret projects that may never get announced.

I mean, it's not just like, hey, how do they build the iPhone? Or what's their secret to, you know, quick charging batteries? It's full on like what other shit are they doing? we want to know, we want access to it. What's all the future stuff? Who are their manufacturing partners? They're literally like reaching out to all the people they use for manufacturing these items. Trying to usurp the supply chain.

So Apple actually sent a letter to Open AI in February about all this, basically telling them, hey, cut it out, you guys. Which is not knocking it off? Yeah, could you please cut it out? And they ignored them. So Apple had no choice, but to play hardball now. Open AI, I mean, if you want to call this a response, this guy Drew, what's his name? Drew Pusateri, he's the head of comms at OpenAI. And he quote tweeted the New York Times article announcing this and said, our statement in response to this suit, we have no interest in other companies trade secrets.

We remain focused on building innovative technology that empowers people everywhere. What a fucking impotent. I do think that's like a little rich like I don't know considering like even with outside of this just considering you know outside of Apple's allegations like 400 employees

and 400 Apple employees and buying Johnny Ives company and being like hey we actually need to do hardware we need to figure out hardware and then being like actually we're not interested in any Apple trade secrets it's not like you absolutely are you liar you lying liar who lies

I liked that there was one Apple employee who apparently said When asked and encouraged by Tang Tan to show To these show and tell sessions He said I didn't even know we could take these from the office And I wonder what happened to these poor employees that didn't Like did they get Like who didn't get the job? Yeah I didn't know

Yeah I brought in this cool piece of hardware And Tang Tan told me that it was fine shit, you mean I wasn't allowed to do that? I am curious. You remember up until like, I don't know, 2012 maybe? It was like every new Apple product was a secret. And then all of a sudden it was like 9 to 5 Mac or like Macrumors.net or whatever was like, yeah, we have the latest prototype for the little Chinese guy leaked too. Yeah.

Because Steve Jobs is dead. And then it comes out and you're like, wow, it looks exactly like the thing. Steve Jobs, man. Like taking them from the office. It is truly Steve Jobs because he kept that shit locked down. If there were any leaks, he made it like his focus. Find the leak and murder that person. You think they need to chop someone's head off at Apple.

That's what they used to do. That's what Steve Jones used to do. Steve Jones? Steve Jobs. Did you say Steve Jones? There was an old when he died. Do you remember something awful dot com? Yeah.

When he died, someone compiled. a ton of tweets from people who spelled Steve Jobs' name wrong. And it was like stove jibs, Steve Johns, Steve Apple, Tim Apple, or no,

no, not Tim Apple. Yeah, that was way later. Steve Jobs, JOMBS. It was very, very funny. I do hope the new CEO of Apple is taking a lesson from Ben's anecdote here. Which is what,

kill them? Yeah, you got to put one of these prospective candidates, You got to take him down to the cafeteria, get him on his knees. Shoot him in the head. Shoot him in the back of the head. Yeah.

It's the only way to stop these leaks. The hard part is that it's the supply chain. It's the Chinese guys working in the factories who then leak it. Sure, that's going to, yeah, I mean, that's going to happen with leaks to the press or whatever. Yeah. But this is next level. The fact that Apple employees are part of this scheme, they're literally bringing components to show Tang Tan.

I don't know, man. Check it out. Look at this. And Tang 's like, yes. I don't I think again, just how brazen, these people, Tang Tan obviously knew. Changlu knew that this is highly illegal,

unethical, and they just took the fucking risk, I guess. That's what I don't get. If you're going to take the risk, just be careful I don't understand not being careful I don't understand

just fully telling on yourself at every LOL look so funny I was still able to log in like dude that's just

what do you think is going to happen you're truly caught red-handed I mean I don't know maybe they thought that they were

covering their tracks I'm more curious okay so throughout discovery I'm more curious who who else that the company

knows If this is a If this is a thing that stops at Tang Tan. Could be. It could be. For all we know. Maybe they would offer him up as a sacrifice. Tang Tan might be hell-bent on making sure they can build the best product.

Yeah. At Open AI. For all we know, Sam Altman could be like, hey, do whatever it takes. I know you have a lot of information from Apple. Get as much as you can. I would believe that. As we've seen from that Elon Musk, Sam Altman case, we could be seeing it we could be in for a lot of embarrassing emails popping up yeah oh here we've got an update here

open ai has a new statement about apple's lawsuit um uh through bloomberg while we take these allegations seriously we're not aware of any evidence that this complaint has merit we believe that's great i mean they have to say it they have to say they really think apple is just what faking this we believe in fair competition and allowing people the freedom to work wherever they choose. That's not what this is about. And we're focused on building innovative technology that empowers people everywhere. Dude, they are fuck octa.

Yeah. And to be clear, like, that's fine. They can say that. Like, we didn't really get into it. But what's at stake here is Apple is invoking the Defend Trade Secrets Act, which is a federal statute, which I think California has basically a very similar one too.

That one's probably going to be that one's probably going to be invoked as well. But it's basically exactly what it sounds like. They want to protect companies from doing all this work and then allowing people to just steal that work and create their own product. And then it's just a straight up breach of contract claim between these ex-Apple employees who have signed contracts

with them basically being like, hey, I won't do what you're alleging I've just done. It's so crazy. And Open AI will So they obviously don't have a contract like that with Open AI, but Open AI will be on the hook if they can find that Open AI did know about this kind of stuff

and was using this information they were. Meanwhile, the pettiest man on earth, Elon Musk had, he of course had to chime in because he hates Sam Altman. And he tweeted, he takes scamming to a whole new level that's regarding all of this stuff. And then Sam Altman quote tweeted and said, Homeboy, you're the one selling public market investors on short-term space data centers.

Yeah, but do you see his little reply? We start flying them next year. Maybe you can come see them if your parole officer approves. After stealing an open-source AI charity, you then stole all of Apple's iPhone technology. Wow. What'd you plan for an encore? That's tough to beat. Oh, man, I thought he was going to have a good line.

What do you plan for an encore? Da-da-da. You know? What do you plan? What do you plan on for an encore? A new... That's... It's like...

Yeah, I mean, Sam is unfortunately right. Elon has no... Elon lost. He lost the lawsuit. But also, I mean, Elon is just not one to talk when we're talking about scams and whatever.

But yeah, I mean... Well... It also just makes... I don't know. I feel like Open AIs a reputation. and then B, like fundamentals have been scrutinized extremely heavily. I mean, they've pushed back the IPO. Might never happen at this point.

To next year? Dude, that is bad. Everyone's confused about all of their financials. It seems like it's all just propped up by some weird Oracle deals and some circular deals. Now watching them just kind of flound. and their whole... Oh, we're going to do hardware.

Yeah, I'm just like, this is a mess. Wrap it up, dude. The amount of time and money and resources, I mean, with the chip shortages being what they are,

the memory shortages being what they are, how the hell are they going to secure any kind of meaningful supply contracts to get a phone off the ground?

Give me a fucking break. But that's the other thing, right? So their whole thesis behind this product has been that like it's going to be groundbreaking. It's going to shake the earth you walk on, right? It's going to change

the way everyone thinks about everything. Instead of apps, it's going to be AI agents. They're like, this isn't even a phone. You think a phone is nothing, dude. Get your head out of your ass. And then they're like, we're actually just trying to steal the ipo. We actually don't know what we don't know what hardware is.

He's like a kid with ADD, but he's really good at asking it he's got the fucking remember world coin that he's still doing wow i do remember world coin that's just a simple he's still doing world core it's an orb that you scan your eyes into scan your eyes and then the orb and then it does what sam oh did you know that we're also making a phone it's also very confusing because i mean all these tech companies have these weird incestuous relationships with uh you know cross use and everything and yeah sucking and fucking each other. I mean, there's some clear sucking and fucking chat. Chat, GPT, is

integrated into Apple intelligence. Not much longer. I don't know. They've said, like in the complaint, it says that that commercial relationship with OpenAI is a separate agreement, not at issue in this case.

So at least on its face, they're not saying, they're not threatening that relationship. I don't know. It smells to me like this integration is going to be about as smooth as it was in the 60s in the south, you know what I'm talking about? We don't know how that went. I also pull the deal.

Like, what are you getting out of? No one uses Siri. No, I've turned on. Siri sucks, such shit. I know, you guys did not fix it with the integration of chat, GPT. I turned off the first day I opened my phone and it was trying to like summarize text messages for me. I was like, no, I'm turning off.

Can be funny. Sure, but I'm like, that's not what I want. I don't want funny. I just want to know what turning off Apple intelligence. No one would know the difference. I'll ask it a simple question. And 50, I would say half the time. Yeah, it goes, here's what I found on Google for you.

Okay, then fucking read it to me, you piece of shit. I didn't ask you to Google it so that then I could, while I'm, you know, naked in the bathroom, whatever I'm working on. I didn't mean her to sound like that. Why are you in the bathroom working? I meant like. I can't think. I need these clothes off. I need to get in the bathroom.

I meant, I meant like I'm out of the shower. I'm putting on lotion. I'm doing my routine and I'm like, hey. Oh, you're talking to it. Yeah, and I'm like, hey, what is blah, blah, blah. And it's like, here's what I found on Google. It's like, okay, great. Now I've got to reach over and like unlock it and then what, click the link that you

Googled for me. Yeah. It's like having a dumb six-year-old in my bathroom with me. And I'm not doing that again. The only time I had fun with it was for like one hour when I was with a friend who was flirting with a woman over text and I realized you could gen moji and we were uh that's fun I was like we were making jokes about different gen mojis and I was like make it have it make two dogs as wizards kissing send that it's pretty fun and then say me and you if we're dog

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slash bays. I don't know. It is interesting how those things start. It's reminiscent. It's like the new flavor of chain mail. Do you remember getting chain emails from like your grandma? Forward, forward, forward, forward, forward, forward. Send this to Bill. Ha, ha, ha. It's like, it's like the new version of that slash all.

Also, how you and I talked about in the 90s, stuff that I knew in grade school. We knew it as well. Yeah. On the East Coast. It's similar to that with these butthole stickers. Someone started it somewhere and they send. Yeah, but this one makes more sense because it's just, if it shows up on the internet, then it's everywhere. Somewhere out there.

It was probably, it was probably a really edgy, funny 20-year-old somewhere who's like good. at the internet. What if I told you who was a boomer? No, there's no way in hell that a boomer was able to create that. It's like, it would be like introducing a two-d, a two-dimensional creature to a three-dimensional world. It's something that their brain could never wrap itself around. I know a couple boomers who could come a butthole emoji.

Who? Who? Who? I got some uncles. You couldn't even conjure. You couldn't imagine. Have the gin moji conjure. you're up a

a... The Gen Moji, they got to take the governor off that thing, though. It's like, if you wanted to do

anything fun... Now you can't do that. It's a mess. By the way, my uncle texted me... Although, leave the governor on. Remember the, like...

It just happened. The Instagram thing where they were like, actually, we made it so now anyone can use all your posts and do AI with it. Yeah.

And people were like, no, don't do that, please. My uncle texted me happy 4th of July. I love you on 4th of July. and I thought that that was cute. That's nice.

Yeah. Anyway, let's go to meta now, shall we? They got a new model. What's her name? Muse Spark 1.1. Hello, I am Muse Spark 1.1. Do you need help with coding, video captioning, or reasoning? I can help with that.

That's what it does. Who the fuck is using this shit? I don't know, but apparently they beat out the latest version of Gemini in certain benchmarks. I don't believe any of it. I don't believe it either. None of this is confirmed by any outside sources except it's basically them just like coming out of meta headquarters and being like, it's pretty quick. I'm going to say it's pretty quick. You should have seen it in there.

And they were also accused of using the benchmarks themselves to train these things so that they perform well on the benchmarks. Yeah. And by the way, some of their own claims weren't even that impressive. They were like, and it was. pretty fast against some of Anthropic and Open AI's older models. It's like, okay. Yeah.

By the way, did you see Anthropics' new commercial that they just dropped? Yeah, with the like burning house and the cemetery? I don't know what they're on. I don't know what the hell they're thinking over there. They've got like a depressed girl running their shit.

I'm like a broken record, but whoever is behind the narrative building for AI Look at this shit. Do you think we'll be able to watch this? Why not? Well, because it's, all right, just mute it. I don't think there's music. Oh, okay.

Can they I trust it? We got a little Chinese kid looking at the phone. We got a. Who's going to hit the brakes if we need to? How do we really ensure that what we're aiming to achieve really does benefit the majority of people? If it ends up taking like almost all the jobs, then what does it mean to work? Well, wait a minute. Why do we have to have this stuff?

If a machine can pretend to care better than I can actually care, how do we draw the line there? If we all had a voice in it, then I feel it could be better. Could AI help people stop feeling misunderstood? Can I help me build more connections in a community? AI help me be a better teacher, better mom. Maybe it'll cure some great things. Things that we're not even at the cusp of understanding yet. Will it create a group of people that ask more questions?

What if we started to be more human again? We don't want to lose the most beautiful parts of life. FAAD.com slash hard questions, hard dash questions. Hard dash questions. Yeah, I don't know. They got to fire whoever the AI, like, marketing person is who just keeps being like,

okay, I figured we'd start by making people uneasy and scared. How does that, how do you, does that land for you guys? Yeah, well, that's an attention grabber, you know? Hey, what if the, why not just show the Terminator, just Terminator sequence? Is AI going to be off wind? But they've made an AI thing for a scene that wasn't in the movie And it's just him popping people's heads Oh my God, like grapes

Look what we could do You didn't, I take it you didn't see 28 years later You would not like it Oh, I thought 28 days later Yeah, years later is the third installment And then Bone Temple, which is the fourth, which rocked I thought 28 days and 28 days later were related until I was very confused.

Yeah, no. They're totally different titles. And totally different movies. And then days later. 28 days is just about Sandra Bullock in an outpatient program. Boring. Who wants to see

Santa Bullock in an outpatient movie? I'd watch Sandra Bullock do anything. She's great. I'd watch her in space. I'd watch her drive a bus. And I enjoyed both of those. Anyway, so meta announced this thing

and boy did their stock take off and boy did your boy, take advantage of that. Huge shout out to me for that. And they, it's their first thing under their new reorg headed by this Alexander Wang.

And apparently what's really appealing about it for the market at least is that it's really, it's going to be really aggressively priced in order to compete. It is interesting because it's seems like week after week there's a new oh my God, Anthropic is

unstoppable. There, there, they're beating Open AI. It's over. It's over. It's all done. And then the next week it's like, did you see Codex? They're actually competing.

And it's like, are people just switching teams and trying these new things? I don't, I can't keep up, man. I can't imagine they are. That's my thing. I feel similarly with the Open AI thing

where I'm like, meta feels like a joke. Such a joke. The whole llama thing, people might not even remember that their first LLM that just was a complete flop. No one gave a shit. And now they're like, we've got Mews

Spark. Who's going to use Mews Spark? It's also a bad name, Muse Spark. It's, did you say Mews spark? No, Mews, Spark. You've got to separate D-S's. Stupid, bad name. I also, it's very funny that

all of these hyperscalers now are just building the exact same products. I know. There was a time when they were all working on different things and it's presumably like obviously open AI and anthropic are going to work on on these things because that's what that's what their companies were built to do everyone just jumping into this thing and be like well we're just going to we're just going to join this we're just going to try to get we used to be a social media company but now we're just trying to make the fastest

coolest and they're spending over a hundred million dollars to do it this one sucks you off yeah well so I can't do Mark Zuckerberg well so this one's going to suck you off also when you talk about cost efficiency like aren't that like cheap Chinese models just going to eat everyone's lunch especially when most people are just using it for a search

engine or a or a cheap companion that tells you to kill yourself eventually it's tough because like that it's either that or do a mass murder yeah I'm going to

I'm going to start one called Sepuku. It's the chat companion that'll tell you what you need to hear. But only if you bring dishonor upon your family. Yeah, only if dishonor is brought. Which I do like. Sepaku, did I bring dishonor upon my family? Yes. Can I come back from this?

No. Here are a few websites where you can buy a source. Meta's also doing their own chip. No, not that type of chip, you silly goose. A computer chip. I bet you're thinking about hot Cheetos. You're probably hungry. Maybe you should eat.

Yeah, Mark Zuckerberg is turning meta into a bigger chip maker. Its newest in-house AI chip enters production. So it enters production in September, and they're going to do four generations of it. They've already got it planned out four generations. It's not meant to, like, replace Nvidia as a supplier, because Nvidia's GPUs are different from what this is, apparently. Oh, it was wrong. Meta's expected to spend as much as $145 billion on AI infrastructure just this year. Holy shit, man.

God. That number's unfathomable. It is so much. They make so much money just peddling garbage on Instagram. Isn't that wild, man? That really is. It's so wild. But they have $145 billion to spend on these goofy.

Just burn it, man. Just burn it. Burn it up. Do what Apple's doing. Just wait until a winner emerges and then, like, partner with them. Would that not be better for meta? Yeah. It's not like if Google beats them in the AI race,

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This man's just out there talking about how his hobby is beef farming. Yeah. I'm making a perfect cow. I'm making a perfect cow to cut it open, kill it, eat it. Dude is not right. Yeah. It's such a billionaire hobby to have. We're feeding them chestnuts that are like beer soaked.

Every time they get an opportunity for them to be like, hey, we're going to make sure, we're going to humanize you and make you look normal. What are your hobbies? You know, it's funny you ask. I've been soaking chestnuts and feeding them to my cows. Yeah. Because I think it might make them more delicious. Yeah. It's kind of, I mean, I would taste that.

I would eat that shit. As you like to say, I would eat that garbage. I'm sure it's so good. I bet his cows do taste pretty good. Oh, yeah. He's probably sparing no expense. No. Feeding them the best.

Is it chestnuts or walnuts? Something like that. They just live on Hawaii. That's what the pigs in, what are the pigs in Spain eat for their shit? I think it's chestnuts. Anyway. That one's out of my depth. Hey guys, we got to take a quick break to talk about monarch money.

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So not only is meta doing their own chip, it's four generations, like I said, with a new chip coming out every six months through 2027, which is a big deal, because that is twice as fast as the industry standard otherwise of like one a year. They're partnering with, what is their, God damn it, I have the ticker symbol in my head.

Broadcom, whose ticker symbol for whatever reason is AVGO. Broadcom, AVGO. Oh, I think they, had a merger because I remember it being B-com. I do think they're also partnering with TSM. Yes, they are. Broadcom is the designer and

TSM is of course the manufacturer. And yeah, their whole gamble is that AI is going to somehow produce more engagement on their social media across their social media platforms and better ad economics. Maybe I'm just stupid, but like

I mean, he must know something I don't, but just $145 billion in AI spend to get better social media engagement. Brother, you're already there, man. You figured it out. Honestly. You cracked the code. It's anger.

Anger and horny makes the world go around online. Like, you guys all know what it is. Yeah. No, the AI is going to juice it. By a couple seconds, we want you sticking around for a couple more seconds, you fucker. Don't set a coup. Honestly, you joke, but if they

can show the data that on across the board, Instagram users are on average on spending a couple more seconds on the app and if you multiply that by the billions of people on our apps, you're talking about years

years per year that people are watching ads. It was all worth it. Fuck. you, dude. How point one of your cows falls over on you while you're petting it for a picture or something? And of course, speaking of the buildout, Meta is also announcing they did like last week that they are now in as much as Amazon turned themselves into a cloud infrastructure company

over a decade ago and they've just been printing money with it. Meta's kind of following suit but with AI and they're selling excess compute, which is Honestly, brother, switch to that and you'll be fine. Right. That's where I'm like, okay, yeah, that makes sense. Stop now and just do that, dude. Jesus, God, man. When we build Muse Spark 1.7, it's going to all be worth it.

It's going to be epic. Did you say Muse Spark or Muse Spark? Mews Spark. It's like that medium rail. You never seen that clip? I didn't hear what you said. Medium morale. I don't know.

Oh, there's a great clip of this. It's like a reality cooking show. And there's this French chef who says, who's calling out, oh, I need two more steaks, medium rail. A medium rare. And the guy goes, did you say medium well or medium rare? Rare. And the guy goes, medium rail, medium rail. It's like, you still can't understand him.

Wait, I think we got it here. Yeah. We are four medium rare. Four medium rare. Wait, what is he say, medium rare? medium wear on one side we are four medium wear four medium wear what he say medium rare or medium well any oh my god they cut off the clip then he just says it again he just says me tomorrow you have no idea what he says anyway i'm saying medium rare uh and also so meta is getting sued as

held by california colorado kentucky and new jersey um an estimated 1.4 trillion dollars And that's meta's math, by the way, because they're looking at how many, they're doing the math and they're like, you guys are suing us for $1.4 trillion over accusations that they designed Facebook and Instagram to addict young users and that they misled the public about their safety. Meta, of course, denies the allegations. I love this part. They say that there's no evidence that they misled consumers about social media being addictive because social media addiction is. not an established psychiatric condition and therefore statements that his platforms were not addictive couldn't

be false. Oh, well, basically because psychiatry hasn't put it in the DSM-5 yet. They're saying it doesn't exist. It doesn't exist. So how could you sue us for this? Fuck you, actually. I'm curious to see what happens. I feel like this, we get a headline like this

like every six months. It's like massive lawsuit about the the damages to children. We'll see. I know this is one of the more serious cases to come.

I'm very curious what will happen. Oh yeah. Connor just pulled up here this whole thing about opioids. Your doctor might prescribe an opioid medication. Less than 1% of patients become addicted. Hey, that's me. I'm less than, or I'm 99% practically.

Is that true? Less than 1% become addicted? That's what they alleged. Oh, okay. That was the whole scandal. They said it's not addictive and it turned out to be. And then they were able to retroactively get sued. Yeah.

Well, because they were able to prove that they knew it was addictive but lied to the public in the name of profit, which is crazy. That's like the first time that's ever happened. Just on like back in the napkin math, the amount of people I know who died in my hometown during the opioid crisis. Oh, yeah, sure. I was like, that does not add up. It's devastating. God, I remember, yeah, the first time just taken, I took two Vicodins when I was in college because my dad had him and I was like, oh, we'll try this. And I popped one and I loved it.

And then a couple like weeks later, I was like, I'm going to try two this time. And it just, you know, when you get a chill and you like your ears kind of shudder, you know, you like feel it in your inner ear. that like shutter. You don't know what I'm talking about? When you get a chill? But go ahead. It was like that, but it wouldn't stop. Interesting.

I just was like, oh, oh, and it was very unpleasant. I felt very lucky because my only real experience with them was, you know, people would take them as a, like, party thing first. And the only time I ever really tried it out, got very nauseous and sick and maybe puked and was like, I don't understand that one. Yeah. You're very lucky.

Similar with Adderall. I remember my parents were on vacation. I probably told this story before. My little brother's little... He's a great kid, and now he's, you know, got a family and stuff. Fucking Nick comes over, and he looks in our... What kind of pills do your parents have? No worst type of kid.

And he sees amphetamine salts, and he goes, oh, dude, you guys, your dad's got Adderall. You did that Adderall? He was prescribed five milligrams of amphetamine salts, which is the generic for Adderall. the kind that instantly takes effect, not a prolonged release. Wow, I didn't even... He didn't like it. So the bottle just sat there.

And this kid, Nick, was like, dude, you've never tried Adderall? You got to try this. And I was like, okay, so I took one. And I later reported back to him. I was like, I didn't feel shit. And he goes, well, what was the milligram? And I said, five milligrams.

He goes, dude, you got to try like three. You got to get up to 15. And I did. It was just... then for the next couple years. Did everyone sound like this around you? Just like a California. No, I'm exaggerating how he sounds.

There was one guy who sounded... I'll play some clips of him because he got involved, predictably got involved in a multi-level marketing scheme. Perfect for it. Perfect for it. Was a former... He's actually crushing it.

It works for some people. Don't be so skeptical. He's a great guy. and a really nice, sweet, genuine guy. But I'll talk about that in the bonus episode. And let's see. What else? Hey, why don't we show...

Oh, we got to talk about the... The robots. So damn, Neo-Robots got hands. Play... Yeah, let's go to their website. If you haven't seen this, what the fuck are you doing, man? You might have to... Okay, yeah, that works.

So they finally figured it out, apparently. These things have hands and they've got several videos. Let's scroll down a little bit. Wait, can you watch it? I need you. Did you pick up on the weirdest part? Watch this, ready? Oh, that it pulls the chain to...

No. Okay. Oh, that, yeah. Okay. That wasn't weird with the breaking... That was weird. That was weird. I wouldn't want to piss the robot off with hands.

Yeah, me neither. Okay. I'm waiting for the weirdness. It shows that it can... For the audio listener, it's just the robot doing various tasks. He slowly unzips your wife's sweater. Yeah. And then he's doing his little.

Oh, that is so funny. Isn't that? Fingering. Oh, my God. You're such a pervert. I'm not a pervert. Yeah. I didn't think that at all.

I thought, oh, that's nifty. It can help old people who can't have arthritis. That felt like an explicit threat. Hey, let us put this in your, let us put this in your apartment. I like this one. That thing's practicing. But all of these things are very practical. What were they trying to show with the fingering weights?

It's strength. Look how good it can finger. It's tensile strength. Where is it? Look, it can open up a bag of funnions. While being hammered. I'd like to see you eat a bag of funnions while getting hammered. Yeah, getting hammered in the hand.

You don't have to find it, but there is a really cool video of an autonomous There's this other, oh, and it can plug itself in. Which I don't like. I need to recharge. I don't like that. That it can recharge itself? I think it's cute. Time to power up.

I'm exhausting from figuring your wife. Zoom in on that. So look at this thing, man. This is the inside of its hands, and it's got all these little pullies and stuff. There were a couple skeptics online saying that these are extremely tentative. parts and that they are probably going to break. I saw it get hammered. Yeah, that's true, actually.

No, I mean, they were, you know. But also, you fucking, come on, man. I understand, but if they've come this far in this short amount of time, they're going to figure it out. Like, I don't even understand the point in trying to argue against this shit. This is from, this company is called OneX. Which we've talked about them before. Yeah, yeah.

Very strange. Norwegian man or something? Yeah. Scroll down. So I like this part. If you scroll down to the next image. Rigid, it's got this little, the rigid gripper. It's the position.

Amen, brother. They call me the rigid gripper. Yeah, I'm the rigid gripper. Position controlled, numb through its own joints. It can act barely, blindly, and perceive almost nothing. The world is a dark patch. I think this is the, these are the steps. because then you've got forced transparency.

They added backdrivable tendons, make every joint a sensor, and then find motion. Now the hand can pose, trace. And then they introduce tactile skin. That's what enables it to like delicately, because in that video they've got it like screwing in a light bulb, removing grapes. And yeah, the joints themselves.

If we scroll down now, it shows more intricate detail of the, it's just a system of pullies and stuff. It's really cool. and then the hand itself, if you scroll down one more, they show the hand moving around. It's fucking wild, man. I know. I'm obviously always very skeptical,

but it's getting harder and harder for me not to imagine in the next decade. We're just going to have robots more and more integrated into our everyday. Look at how fast it goes. They got it doing all kinds of stuff. It's absolutely bananas. So scroll down one more time, please. We've got it doing, here, you can scroll through. through here at the top there.

So fruit picking, um, maintenance, like doing tech stuff, cleaning it can grab a score bottle. Squirt it. Squirt it. Squirt that thing.

Charging. Charge itself. Yeah, plug yourself in. Yeah, plug yourself in. Yeah, plug yourself in. Uh, keep going.

Scroll through. Gaming. It can, it can do Lego with your kids. The Lego is genuinely impressive. Opening a bag like that is super impressive. Do you, that is so hard to do it.

And now imagine someone hammering your hand while you're doing it. Yeah. We can hammer its hand while I was doing it. That's not going to piss it up. Why did they smash the light? I don't understand. Just to show that it won't react. Yeah.

Look, we smashed its favorite light bulb. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Okay, good point. It's a show that it's fragile. That it's a real light bulb. Or was the show that you can take away his favorite light bulb, but he won't freak. Yeah.

And then zipping and unzipping, a very sensual experience. And what's it called? next one. Is it fingering? Oh, no, it doesn't go down. It's got them on the next one. So it can lift. It can lift your wife up. It can curl your wife by the finger. It lifting and curling. I mean, that's 20, what is that? I think that's either 20 pounds or kilograms. It's a 20 pound kettlebell, I think. Yeah. And it's got very strong fingers. And then if we scroll down one more time, it shows how it's force sensing works, which is really, I mean, it looks so simple. It looks like there's these. It's got, I don't even know what you would call that. Like tactile.

Yeah, like a tactile map where the dots increase in size, depending on how hard it's pushing and pulling and stuff. Ooh, they've got a little action for husbands as well, it seems like. It's got sheer sensing for, oh yeah, for a hubby, it's got sheer sensing. and force sensing. The skin is co-designed with the sensors inside it and the tendons behind it. It is a functional material, not cosmetic. The contact feedback is critical for adaptive, intelligent manipulation. It is very, very interesting stuff, gang.

Yeah, I mean, again, these are probably like very specific I think it will be... What do you call them, demonstrations? Yeah. But it wasn't just a... It was probably not that long ago. We were talking about this goofy-ass robot. Being just like, hello.

Yeah. What are you going to do for me? And then in the final video, they show it making toast. They're seemingly making some leaps and bounds here. Hey, gay, we've got to take one last quick little break to talk about life insurance. Hey, don't, don't, don't knock it because everybody needs life insurance, right? You, me, the dog. Everybody, everybody needs you got to protect the people that you love.

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I can see these being in the homes of people with, risk people sure but like old people who need a hand around the house I think that that'll probably still be a year or two away damn dude the first time one of these throttles of grandma it is going to be a crazy time you mean like in a pleasurable way

no like chokes you destroyed my light bulb and then for some reason they've got this video of it which I don't understand that it's wild man It just going super fast and wiggling the hands around. That is something else. And they got it wearing a hat for some reason.

Makes you wonder. What? Are we cooked, Chad? No, I don't think so. I don't think so. Spain won, by the way. Just now? Be by Spain.

They're going to the World Cup, dude. That's cool. Who did they beat? I don't know. England? England, England, yeah. Sorry to all you English folks out there. I love Spain.

What's that? Who's lost to France? Spain beat France. Spain beat France. Wow. They were the... Wraps! Weren't they like the heavily heavy favorites?

France? Oh yeah. Mbappe? Mbap. That song's awesome. As an adult now, it is a banger. I actually just re-listen to it. It's crazy. Good?

It's a good pop song. You cannot understand a goddamn word. No, but the kids got a great voice, man. Yeah, but I was just, I just, we'll throw it on in the buttons. And we'll see if you can understand a goddamn word. All right, so let's round it out with a little bit of politics, shall we? Lindsay Graham, he was apparently the most broke or earned. Isn't that so crazy?

That he made the least amount of money out of everybody? You can understand a little bit of lawmakers. being depraved when you look at some of the money that comes in for him, you know? Yeah. This man was just a ghoul for the love of the game. This guy just... He wasn't even enriching. I mean, truly, he just...

No. Like, he had no... I mean, there's a lot of rumors that he was a closeted gay man, but he had no family to speak of. It just was like... It seemed like he didn't care about anything other than blowing people to fuck up. There was a line where you said, like, we're going to make a lot of money and we're going to kill a lot of people. Dude, oh my God. There are probably some insane super cuts out there of him just saying the crazy. I mean, this was the guy just salivating over

make a run great again and, you know, he got what he wanted. Dude, his last photo is him holding one of them scary suicide drugs. Yeah. Like sicko through and through it. I think his last words were like, kill him. I think it was like, I didn't get to finish, like, whatever. It's like global project of... Yeah, there it is. Look at it. Look at this thing.

What is aortic dissection? Is that where your aorta dissects itself? Not sure. Can we Google that, please? I also don't even know if I fully believe it. I could be convinced to... Aortic, R-T-I-C. There you go, the first one.

I don't want to see an image. but let's um an aortic dissection is a life-threatening emergency that occurs when the inner layer of the aorta tears yeah ooh high pleasure blood blood ooh uh yeah apparently that thing is a genuinely like quick death and it's extreme unless you're like in the hospital it's extremely hard to but i could be convinced by uh by a tinfoil i don't want to think about it dude that's scary how do you even fucking i hate also as well as well as well as well as well I hate learning, sorry, real fast, I hate learning about this stuff because it's like any kind of preventative measures requires me to learn more and do more, which makes me feel even queasier and more scared. It's awful. What were you going to say? 71, generally pretty young for one of these ghoulish senators to go. I think maybe the Russians blew him up.

Well, no, because there's evidence that he was in his hotel room. We'll see. We'll see. Also, hey, everybody, Lizzipidi-Duda, where Trump just told Congress that we're back at war and because of the War Powers Act or whatever, it gives him 60 days to finish the job. And he's also addressing the country. We don't need to pull that one up.

Oh, dude, he's now saying that, remember how Pistee was about the tolls? Yeah. We're going to do it now. 20%. Yeah. Sweet. Cool.

let's use it to bail out open AI or sorry invest in open AI Absolutely He's also addressing the country on Thursday Which is today for you guys Or two days It's today for you guys We know he will kind of He said that he's going to talk about election fraud

It's going to be more bullshit I mean the last time The last time I remember him announcing this It was right around, like, it was, we were weeks into the war or whatever, and everyone was like, oh, he's going to give some kind of update. And then he just rambles for hours. You got to give it to him. The man can...

The man can talk. At 80? He's a great chatter. The man does not shut up. No, he doesn't. Let us know what you think, guys. Who do you think is going to win? Open AI or Apple.

Is Apple going to pull a Connor McGregor and jump? on its own broken leg and then immediately... What was that? He's a fucking... I don't know. He's a moron. I hate that guy, dude.

I'm Conan McGregor. Oh, me knee. Oh, no. Wasn't this all, like, supposed to redeem him because he was, you know, overfully accused rapist?

And he was like, I got to... The people need to know him a winner. I don't know, man. But that guy sucks to me. And we'll see you in the bonus. Huh? How about it? Let's see. What do we have? We got airplane stuff. Dude, some of the craziest airplane stuff I've ever seen. We got airplane stuff. The perfect spy blowjob. Whoa.

You're going to enjoy that. Stephen A. Smith talking about what happened in Atlanta. Connor Murphy died. We've talked about him on the show. And we'll see you in the bonus. Beninamielshow.com. Bye. of Ben and Emile Show.com. I thought that I had a heart attack this weekend. Why? Did you smoke weed? Take a guess. Yeah.

Very predictable. But it wasn't that much. I spent too much time with you where I'm just like, I'm like your wife. Did you smoke too much weed? I had, you smoked weed again, didn't you? I had just two puffs from a cigarette joint. All right, I'm staying in there and I'm like, okay, go through the checklist. I'm like, I don't feel any pain in my neck.

You have a whole checklist? Well, yeah. What's the checklist? Just no. I'm running through it. I'm like... Should I know the checklist? Well, yeah.

I didn't feel any pain radiating to my arm, especially the neck. Wait, I'm fucked. Well, here we go. I have... No, because... I constantly have neck pain. It's a lot of things. I didn't have shortness of breath.

And I constantly have pain radiating down my arm. But so then I just was like, I'm going to go in my house real fast, guys. And I excused myself. And I walked in the house. Did you look normal? Yeah, I looked. normal. I'm going to excuse myself now, guys. I'm going to go to my house for a second,

guys. Don't mind me. I'm going to leave for just a thing. I'm going to go on my house for a second. It's so confounding to me. The people who are against reclining your seat on a plane. I basically don't do it until the person in front of me does it and then I go

because if the person in front of you does it, that seat goes from here to here and you're like, I got to go back. It depends on the airline. It depends on where you're, because some airlines are really like, yeah, it's like there. Yeah. But I'm also like, who cares? I'm not, if it's way too, sure, I'm less worried about my face being in it and more like my knees. I can understand that.

Well, I think everyone just has to do it. Like, once that, because if the guy goes back to me, I'm like, okay, I'm going back. I'm just, I'm not going to sit with this fucking seat in my face. The rules on airplanes are as follows. You are allowed to recline your seat. If the person behind you, if it, if it, if it, if it. If it can't be done, then it can't be done. If their legs are too long, too bad for you, too bad for them, whatever.

Oh, that's what he's saying. As a 6-4 person, they hit his knees. It's disrespectful to, it's not my fucking fault, dude. That's even fun. I don't give a fuck about anyone who's 6'4. Hey, y'all, it's Kelly Clarkson with Wayfair. Ever order furniture online and wonder, what if? Like, what if it doesn't hold up?

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