The Ben and Emil Show - PP 25: Elon's Monkey Paradise

Episode Date: December 7, 2023

Ben took an edible. Great. Anyway, Elon gave an INSANE interview last week and somehow everyone missed the biggest part about the monkeys. Also we dive deep into his drug use and how it's probably informing his behavior lately. Should we feel bad for him? Plus, George Santos is finally gone and he's better than ever, BeffJezos' identity got exposed, and Palmer Luckey is creating a new drone that attacks other drones. So yeah Ben's edible kicked in and we recorded a real doozy of a bonus episode! That and a lot more can be found at our Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/PayPigsPod Get bonus content on Patreon Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

We've monkeys that can play video games just using, just by thinking. Why is Sorkin not going, hold on a second. Wait, y'all turn to monkey to play Tetris? Joe Rogan would have gone? Oh, you got monkeys playing video games with their minds? You taught a monkey to play video? That's fucking crazy, dude. How are you not asking this dude what he means?

Do you hear that? Do you hear that? That's the sound of Ben and Emile taking thousands of dollars from the Coca-Cola Corporation. Welcome back, folks. What? I said, wouldn't that be sick?

Did you take money from Diet Coke? You bet I would. So, hey, right off the bat, gang, this is going to be a very special one because... I am not going to trigger anything with YouTube here, but if you can see this, this is an edible canister. And for the audio listener, it's an edible canister.

Edible what? Pannies. It's edible. You know, I don't want to say because YouTube does get pissed off, but it's weed. It's, you know. And the reason I'm doing this is for the bonus episode, because I thought, hey, you know, we promised people,

a stoned one back in the day but we never did it promised me a stoned one yeah and we never did it so I'm going to go ahead and pop it in now and hopefully it doesn't kick in

by the end of this episode and he doesn't have to worry that much it just makes Ben normal it's like Adderall for actual ADD kids yeah so that's

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do it. I bet you won't. Please do. But also, I forgot to tell people initially to like hit that notification bell. You know what that does, buddy? Yeah, it makes, uh, every time one comes out, it gives you a little ding. And you want to be the first one to watch. Yeah. So anyway, we're also going to be, should we react to the GTA trailer now or in the bonus? Dude, in the bonus, when those freaking Camino cruisers start hitting? Oh, dude, man. All right. Yeah, that's going to be awesome. When the Tom Petty starts blasting? Yeah. Uh, also, I got a challenge for the audio listener. What?

Leave a five-star review on Spotify. Woo! Yeah, do that. Also, we got the newest, uh, on Apple, whatever, telephone, I don't give a shit. We got, uh, the newest Google, Spotify, leave a review on all of them. We got the newest Ben and Emile on coming out. It already came out, and, uh, we got some real special ones that we're going to be shooting soon. Follow us on socials and all that shit.

All right, so let's kick it off, man. Oh, big thank you to everyone in New York who sold out the New York show. It was, like, very quick. I bought all the tickets, and I'm going to scalp them. I'm going to flip them. I'm going to flip them. Make a little profit. Great.

Yeah. Or maybe I'll forget, and then I'll just tell these. Who did, didn't like, didn't Drake do that to someone or someone did that to Drake? They bought out, like, the whole front row of someone's show. That's a fucking. We love petty ass. Yeah, that's a petty-ass move, man. speaking of petty

the bitch the bitch himself George Santos is gone you know he's gone he's already on cameo he's charging 200 bucks a pop that dude's gonna be it's mind bending to me

how he can be legitimately a full on corrupt politician unlike arguably anything we've ever seen and he's going to parlay that into legitimate financial success oh yeah do you see there's a movie in the works

Oh, yeah, there's already, is it the HBO thing? Oh, maybe it's a TV series? He's going to have a book. Zway wants to interview him. Is that he's saying? Is that not how you say it? I think so. I just wanted to make you squirm.

Oh, God. That's a very Z way joke of you. Oh, yeah, that is. She loves to. She loves to make you squirm. I'm going to go ahead and say, I'm not a big Zway fan. It's okay. It's not for everybody.

You just don't get it. No, no, you get it. I think it's kind of a lame joke. Yeah, I get it. And now everyone's in a, on the joke. So she has like Adam Pally come on and he like pretends to be nervous and pretends to be a little racist or something. Yeah. And it's like, my favorite thing. I actually really loved when Chet Hanks went on. Yeah, that was really good because she tried and she failed. She was like,

do you have anyone you want to apologize to? And he's like, no, Pumont, clot. Oh, speaking of funny accents, man, uh, someone created a, we'll also watch it in the bonus, I guess. The, the TikTok Indonesia account. Holy fucking God. But, so back to George Santos. Did you hear about his puppy scam? No. He bought puppies from

Amish communities. Because they're better? With, I don't know. Because they have a good fucking work ethic. Yeah. And they really make those dogs fuck. He bought them with checks that he knew would bounce.

And then funneled the puppies, not literally. but had the puppies in his own little charity puppy rescue organization that he then sold so he just like stole these puppies and then sold them it was under the guise of like

oh these are rescue dogs and you just have to pay like a rehoming fee of a thousand dollars he ripped off the Amish with bounce checks he ripped off the Amish by way of puppies and bounce checks and bounce checks an absolute king just I don't understand what it is about him that people

love is it because he's like sassy and gay I think it's just the unapologetic I mean I think there's a I think someone did a little thread let me see if I can find it real quick because like it's a perfect example of how incredible he is it's like all of his greatest

lies or whatever and he's just so psycho also huge shout out I know folks he's got a breast breastfeeding well we'll watch that yeah we'll watch that too uh oh i mean here's it so okay here we go this is from macy a gilliam she goes diva down my favorite george santo

scams and lies ranked number one he lied that he was the star of the baroque volleyball team barouc is a small college in um new york right number two lying that his mom died on nine eleven it's just like insane um here's his tweet she has a screenshot of it 9-11 claimed my mother's life dot dot dot so i'm blocking so i don't ever have to read this again uh oh in response to some other tweet yeah presumably about nine eleven when he made his staff call rich donors and pretend to be kevin mccarthy's staff to raise money he's just kind of incredible lying that he was not a drag queen in brazil apparently he was a drag oh my god and an honorable mention to every other lie he told and scheme he pulled i love them all deeply and individually uh yeah he's

just um i'm getting yeah i'm getting anxious man i feel like this edible is going to kick in way sooner. It's probably not. Yeah, you're probably right. You do have a ticking time bomb. That'll be okay. No, I can't handle it. I swear to God, I can handle it.

So the big thing that, the big story that dropped last week, and this always happens to us, where we drop a story, we drop an episode and then something even bigger happens that week. Yeah, I see it, man. He's just, he's showing me, folks, for the audio listener and the video viewer, he's got this fucking video of this woman. All right, I'll stop. Remind me to him show you in the bonus.

It's breast milk. It's breast milk. That's all I'll tell you. Fans of ours know that we have an affinity for women who breastfeed on the internet. Yeah, it was kind of a ring. And off the internet. Yeah. We don't care where you're breastfeeding.

So Elon Musk last week spoke to... Do you want to say Aaron? I want to say Aaron Sorkin's so fucking bad. Andrew Ross Sorkin, who works for the New York Times. He's kind of a, he wears many hats. He was also the co-creator of billions on Showtime. Yeah, which is surprising. Yeah.

Why is that surprising? I don't know. You wouldn't peg him for a creative? Okay. What do you work for Andrew Ross-Sork? I'm just asking. No. Because I'm pretty sure it's a Brian Copelman vehicle.

Joint. Joint. Joint. Mm-hmm. And yeah, I don't know how the fuck. Andrew Ross Sorkin I would assume it's because Because he's got the know-how

He's got the inside scoop Yeah I think he did write too big to fail Which they turned it to a movie Okay, you got that too Welcome back to the Andrew Ross Sorkin hour Oh my God, he's just so dreamy He is a good-looking man

Come on, dude I wouldn't look twice as though Is he related Aaron Sorkin? I don't think so I'm not going to Google it either Well, Andrew Ross Sorkin is this Talking Head in Finance television Squawk box

Squawk box on CNBC, and he was hosting this big... The Deal Summit at the New York Times. That's right. The Deal Summit, which is just a big... Can you pull the... It's down. It's gone. I look over and I see milk pouring into a glass.

They interview all sorts of powerful people. They had Bob Eager, the Disney CEO. They, of course, had Elon Musk, and that was pretty much the highlight. That Daffy Broad, Kamala Harris. They had Kamala Harris? I'm pretty sure. Oh, wow. Well, if you've been living under a rock, say hi to the bugs.

But Elon was very, let's just say, candid. He held no punches. He pulled no punches. Right out of the gate. Yeah, right out of the gate. So I'd like to play just a few of these clips because they are hot, hot, hot. There's leaving. We talked to Bob Iger today.

You hope they don't advertise. You don't want them to advertise? No. What do you mean? If somebody's going to try to blackmail me with advertising, blackmail me with money, go fuck yourself. He's, of course, referring to getting flak, being accused of being anti-Semitic on Twitter, on X,

and having the pushback be, Disney and a bunch of companies have just said, you know, we're not going to advertise. Not only because of him, but just because of the content that you can find on X. Right. And responding to... brands like Disney who are pulling their ad dollars because not only because of the content

on it but because their ads are appearing next to right people saying horrible thing yeah the craziest shit and parents and stuff screenshot are you going why are you advertising next to this and so he goes on to just say which also pause it for one second he's also like loose definition of blackmail Oh, yeah, totally. That was one thing where I'm like, is this, that's not blackmail. You're going to blackmail me with money? Yeah.

It's like, no, they're just not going to advertise next to fucking swastikas and shit. For the audio listener, he's wearing a black, his signature like black shirt, black pants, but he's wearing this like pilot, brown leather pilot jacket with the sheepskin collar. And he's doing, just forgive me here, but he's doing what I'll call the Asperger's Wiggle. The Autism Wiggle. where where he's he's like about to say something that he knows will be that you can tell has been inside and bottled up and he's just can't wait to get it out and he's just got that wiggle and then he says it and he like kind of bobs his head you can say it i can't i can say it but he's

also got uh he's also got like some sort of dog tags on yeah well that was a that was like Yeah, I don't know what that was. Go fuck yourself. Is that clear? I hope it is. Hey, Bob. If you're in the audience. Well, let me ask you then.

That's how I feel. Don't advertise. And Andrew Ross Serkin is just stunned. I think this also aired live on television. So CNBC absolutely is getting fined by the FCC. How do you think then about the economic? of x if if if if if part of the underlying model at least today and maybe it needs to shift maybe the answer is it needs to shift away from advertising a great question um if if you believe

that i'm sure we'll get a great answer yeah of your business where you will be beholden to those who uh have this view what you do f why gf why i understand that but there's a reality I also love that he's getting no reaction. The crowd is just like, probably sitting there just going, geez, dude, yeesh. Just doing that to absolute silence. Yeah, G, F, Y, G, F, why. God, I also can't, it's like he's gotten worse with using his,

he, he, like, uses his bottom lip to, to make, like, B's, B, B sounds, you know? go fuck yourself right yes no no I mean Linda Yaccarino right here and she's got to sell

advertising absolutely so no no don't tell you so what what this advertising boycott is is going to do it's going to kill a company

right sure who's fault with that right exactly so who's fault That those advertisers killed the company, and we will document it in great detail. But those advertisers, I imagine, are going to say, they're going to say, we didn't kill the company. Oh, yeah.

They're going to say, tell to Earth. Oh, yeah? Tell that to Earth. That's my favorite. Tell that to Earth. My website, cocksuckers.com, is failing because Cheerios refuses to advertise on coxsuckers.com. I can't wait to fucking say that to people. Tell that to Earth.

Tell that to Earth. Tell that to Earth. People don't watch our podcast. Tell that to Earth. And it fails. That's your fault. And you can tell that to Earth. If cocksuckers.com goes under because Nabisco won't advertise, then that's, tell it to Earth.

It's not his fault. I'm watching your people so closely. Yeah. I'm just waiting for it. Shit. It's not Elon's fault. Yeah, I just love that. he's he's got such a grandiose view and this this dovetails into something that I wanted to bring up that's a bigger conversation um but I want to I want to first play just a couple more clips so it's it's absolutely brutal but people saying crazy things yes but they're not they don't have the megaphone right he's saying that the Twitter is the the town square and that's that's the conundrum no they can only say it to the 50 or

are people that are sitting standing there in Times Square. They don't have a mega... I mean, look, the joke I used to make about old Twitter was it was like giving everyone in the psych war to megaphone. What a fucking great joke, dude. That's such a good joke, sir? So, you know, I'm aware that things can get promoted that are negative beyond the sort of...

So you saw the part about his mind as a storm? Yeah, it's my favorite part I was going to ask you to it. So let's watch this. You were on a podcast about a month ago, and you said something that struck me, and it struck me as accurate, it came out of your mouth, so hopefully it is. But I'm hoping to go deep on this. Just because it came out of my mouth does not mean it's true. No, but you said my mind is a storm. I don't think most people would want to be me.

They may think they want to be me, but they don't know. they don't understand. What did you mean by that? Your mind being a storm. I think it, I mean, I have known you for quite some time. I think it is a bit of a storm. Yes. Yeah, I mean, as much as a weather metaphor makes sense,

my mind often feels like a very wild storm. It actually gets tragic. I mean, I have more ideas than I can possibly execute. So I have no shortage of ideas. Innovation is not the problem. Execution is the problem. I've got a million ideas. I mean, I've got an entire design for an electric supersonic vertical takeoff jet.

But I mean, I just, if I, I just can't do that as well. I've had that for 10 years. Okay, so he says he's got too many ideas. Wait, wait, wait, but he's about to ask him whether or not it's a happy storm. Is your storm a happy storm? it's such a good question it's such a good question no

I was I forgot what his answer was gonna be holy shit no no Not a happy storm. Tell us about that. Because I think that that actually, when people try to really understand you,

I think that there's a lot of this comes from some other place. And I want to talk about that. What do you think that is? He's doing his signature like, I'm a genius and I'm just going to sit there in silence while I think about this question. It's actually, he looks like he's going to cry, though, which is kind of sad. Or should be anything like a psychiatrist's couch here or something? I'll answer the question for him.

It's because he's got, his life is so tragic and nobody truly, and I don't mean this in like a, I feel bad for him's sense, but truly nobody can possibly understand what it's like to be him. You are the most isolate, he is truly an island. He's the wealthiest man in the world, head and shoulders above anyone else. Which, I mean, it gets negligible. Yeah, but he's a special kind, right? I mean, like, when Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates were sharing these titles or whatever, they were never this kind of megalomaniac fucking, there's a desperate need here for,

it's not enough for him to be the richest man in the world, the most successful man in the world. He's got to be liked and loved. He's got to be liked, loved, thought of as funny, thought of as, like, Tony Star. I mean, and he's, you know, we'll get into it more, but as he's like, torched his own image in the service of these, like, ridiculous attempts to be cool or something. Yeah. I think that. And even this, you're watching just, it's like, it's wild to watch a guy who's just,

who needs that approval and everything. And he's spent however many months or the past year just, like, stepping on his own dick. and now all he can do is fucking be like go fuck yourself it's like all he's got left and it's like what he's really willing to just like tank his own company to and which he can do he can probably burn it all it's fine which is really annoying because if you've been on twitter recently the algorithm has improved for me it has just a little bit it's showing me a lot more funny things and so he talks about how it sucks that uh that there's advertising dollars getting absolutely funneled into TikTok versus Twitter

where there's hardly any by comparison. And he would say that, hey, there's just as much hateful stuff on TikTok than there is on Twitter, but they're fundamentally different platforms. Twitter being, like, you've got to lean, the algorithms should show what Twitter does best, which is, you know, funny, jokey tweets. You could probably throw in a couple video ones. But yeah, like, I've been getting in my algorithm. Algorithmic feed, the 4U page, essentially.

I've been getting Owen Benjamin tweets. Do you remember him? He is a shitty disgraced comedian. Used to be like a, I don't know, maybe at best, a C-List actor who was on a couple sitcoms. He used to be married to Christina Ricci, and then he went full-blown beyond anti-woke and went like beyond all right. Oh, did we watch his stuff?

He's got long reddish hair? No. Oh, that's a different guy. But he. I got to look this. he was banned on Twitter and then because of Elon he was brought back and so this this goes back to what I was saying a moment ago about his worldview interesting I think that the Twitter algorithm is basically Elon is the king of Twitter he's like he believes that his view of things the accounts

that he follows he believes that he is such a taste maker that everyone should enjoy and see the world as he sees it. And if everybody would just get on board and stop being so woke and just blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. He doesn't have anyone in his ear saying, hey, man, maybe the algorithm should instead be better and not show people these alt-right kind of figures in the name of free speech as you present it. Right, which he addresses in the interview. I forget what part it is, but he talks about the changing algorithm and how people are

complaining about how, like, hey, it shows me a lot of this. stuff I hate and he's like well are you clicking on that account or and it's like well there you go you're engaging with it so we're going to show you more of that right and I mean that has happened to me on on TikTok where I mean I find myself like hate watching something and then I'm going exactly the algorithm but like you said it's a different thing than TikTok whereas before way back when it was you only had a feed where stuff would only pop up in there if you followed the person so it was a very intentional um like intentional timeline of like I want this stuff in here and I'm choosing to click it and a lot of it was you would get fed

other stuff if people retweeted stuff right and then it started to open up a little bit and I remember when they did it before Elon took over you could always click your you could click a tweet or it would even say it up top you're being shown this because you follow X Y and Z yeah I remember that and so it was all kind of like you know why it's happening and now I'm just getting fed like daily fights like morbid knowledge fucking my feet is a mess are these account names mm morbid knowledge is like and again it's impossible to not click it's like it's like this woman was trapped in an elevator and shit herself for three days before she's like i gotta fucking see that before i eat breakfast right yeah yeah i think and he's like you clicked it right you love it a good friend of

the show i was hanging out with this weekend asked me how uh because Elon is publicly known for now taking ketamine, doing ketamine. Just like you. Brothers in arms. So he asked me my opinion on whether or not or to what extent Elon's own probably abuse now of ketamine is informing his behavior, which I thought was a very good question. And my answer to that is it absolutely is.

It's fully, it is. He's probably doing it so often because, again, nobody's going to tell him no. and it's ketamine is awesome and it's really fucking fun and it really does leave you feeling a bit transcendent and a bit like you have a greater understanding of yourself of the world of just like everything's going to be fine everything's going to like all i have to do is this this and this so i cannot even fathom what it what his version of that must be he's getting like the opposite of ego he's getting the opposite. Absolutely. He's getting the opposite of an ego death where he's like, I'm the fucking richest man in the world. Right. And I have done more. He, I'm not going to play it because

I don't want to dig through it again, but he talks about how he's done more for humanity than any other, like just by virtue of the cars. He's done more for humanity than anybody. Well, that's another thing. He talks about, maybe we'll get into it a little bit. He talks about Sam Altman and all these other people. And all of this stems from, he truly believes that he is the only one who can help humanity in the way it needs to be helped and all this stuff. Everything he's done is in service of that. Everything he's done is some like altruistic. Yes. So I think that his ketamine abuse, and I'm going to call it abuse, because it probably is at this point. And I'm also speaking from ignorance, because I really don't know. Maybe he's, maybe he's doing it

responsibly, but I highly fucking doubt it. It's informing and encouraging his, not only his mental image of himself as being a kind of savior for humanity, and it's giving him the false sense of, just like it's up to me. And I'm doing it right. And if everybody would just get off my back and the regulators would fuck off and the government would fuck off and just let me do my thing, I can build a utopia. and he thinks that X is a key component of that utopia. Like, oh, he went to China and was like, look at what Billy Billy does,

the everything apps that they've got. And the difference between them and us, they are already a homogenized society. Of course they're going to be able to have just like a fucking everything app. Everybody agrees on mostly the same things over there. Is Baidu one of those? Baidu is, I believe, like Amazon over there. Oh, okay.

Or maybe that's Alibaba. I think Baidu is like Google. Google. But he's, wait, so let's watch his actual answer to his happy storm. You know, I think to some degree I was born this way, but, and then I was amplified by a difficult childhood, frankly. That's the first lady guy got about reference.

So, but I can remember even in happy moments when I was a kid that there's just, it just feels like there's just a rage of forces in my mind constantly. but now this productably matters that's called ADD brother infested itself in technology and building things

oh yeah the other thing is his mouth sound there's also I was watching there's this woman in the back that won't stop coughing she's just for the most part so and I think on balance the output has been very productive.

I think the results as we, you know. Can I just say he looks like Arnold Schwarzenegger got electrocuted. Oh, dude, he's, it looks like Michael Myers, like, it looks like Michael Myers got a good plastic surgeon. Discussed earlier with SpaceX Tesla, PayPal, which is, you know, still going today. the first internet company that I started. In fact, the first internet company I started as of two was... All right, maybe we should move on to... I mean, this is just Jesus Christ.

But at 34 minutes, he starts talking about the AI, the OpenAI stuff. Oh, right. Well, real fast. I just want to highlight what a fucking moron he is. Because there's this great tweet here, this guy. So for the audio listener, I'm just going to, you know, but this guy at kettlebell life apparently works at Twitter

because the GTA trailer just dropped he said a list of games I have not played GTA 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 6 Elon replied tried, tried, but didn't like doing crime GTA 5 required shooting police officers in the opening scene just couldn't do it

Oh my God He can't just imagine him sitting there going Oh this is I can't I can't I can't shoot police officers. Yes, you fuck it. And then Ian Miles Chong, who's this. Dude, these guys are such fucking dick riders.

They're such dick riding. Holy shit. This guy is like a... I couldn't shoot a cop in a video game. Yeah. He's, uh, this guy, how would you describe Ian Miles Chong? He's like an alt-right kind of figure who lives in, I think, Malaysia or something like that. But he's always inserting himself into things and he's always replying to Elon.

But he replied, I'm glad shooting cops and stuff. cyberpunk 2077 is completely optional never finished gt8 oh my god you fucking you fucking absolute dork nerds this is the problem too no one liked these fucking people when they were growing up and now we have to deal with the consequences of this fucking bullshit good point man yeah oh shit fucking god i would uh be the the robber but i just couldn't uh handle shooting cops so couldn't shoot a cup and then making a bunch of nasty mouth sounds. So speaking of Sam Altman in AGI, there's, we're basically all suffering from this one super powerful guy's worldview. And we all have to kind of cowtow to whatever he believes the world

should be, which lends itself to the artificial intelligence conversation, right? Because did you see the Q-Star thing? No. Q-star is the kind of code name, as I understand it, is the kind of codename assigned to this project. Nobody really knows much about it, but it was apparently the impetus for the ousting of Sam Altman. It's like they are very, very close to some kind of breakthrough, but it's very mysterious. It's shrouded in mystery.

But what? What? The repetitive is this? It's very mysterious. It's shrouded in mystery. So, but I was thinking about this. And it makes sense that they would, it really reinforces the idea that the open AI board was fucked,

but also the fact that I hate to say it, but we got to go faster and like push. Because think about this. Every country. Wait, go faster and push in what sense? AI. Why? Getting to the general intelligence because every country is racing to do that.

And it's who, you remember we talked about on the Open AI episode about how do we dictate the morality to that entity? It's now, you've got to think of it in terms of nationalism. What country is going to, like if China gets their first? No, there's an awful way to think about it. But it's true. That's the world we live in. That's why they're pushing for this.

Because America has to get their morality into the super entity first, because ours is the best. I also don't think it would end up being like that anyway. It's not, it's like, uh, or Western. Sure, but yeah, these, I don't know, even like companies, they don't think as nationalists, they think as globalists who want to make the most money. But it is still ostensibly a race. It's a new kind of arms race that I don't think any of us fully understand because it hasn't been, it hasn't been birthed yet fully. I think it's like akin to us kind of trying to imagine or think about a fourth dimension. And this, when AGI is actually born and introduced to us, it's going to be this new, everyday part of our lives that we can't fully wrap our heads around because, I mean, it is a, it's... Yeah, but that's what makes me think we're fucked either way, right?

Like, if it's at a level where Sutskever's, like, so scared that he needs to pull the plug on all this stuff, but, like, it's not going to help if, like, oh, at least thank God, America got there first. That's the thing. Which, I mean, you should play the clip because it's very funny. Which clip? If you go to, I believe it's 3430, he starts talking about the open AI stuff. Oh, Elon. Talk about bringing you the first box, by the way, with Ilya.

Interestingly enough. Yes. Back in 2016, I think. There's a video of Jensen and me unpacking the first AI computer. computer at OpenA.I. So, I'm so curious what you think of what's just happened over the past two weeks. While you were dealing with this other headline, series of headlines, there was a whole other series of headlines at Open AI. So far. What did you think?

Well, you founded it. Co-founded it. Yeah. Well, I just have to say real fast. For someone who everybody praises, all his fanboys praise him as being so calculated and, like, direct and like, I need to think about it because he's actually being thoughtful. Then why the fuck doesn't he exercise the same restraint with his goddamn thumbs? He talks about that. Jesus. The whole arc of open AI, frankly, is a little troubling because the reason for starting open AI was,

was to create a counterweight to Google and Deep Mind, which at the time had two-thirds of all AI talent and basically infinite money and compute. And there was no counterweight. It was unipolar world. And Larry and Paige and I used to be very close friends, and I would stay at his house, and I would talk to Larry into the late hours of the night

about AI safety. And it became apparent to me that Larry, did not care about AI safety. I think perhaps the thing that gave it away was when he called me a speciist for being pro-humanity. So again, fucking nerdy conversation.

I know, but so Open AI was, Elon is saying it's his response because he wanted to do the right thing. Google did not. So much so that Larry Page was like, shut the fuck up, speciesist. Yeah.

Well, what is relieving is that Elon thinks that we're three years away. I disagree. I think that we are much, much closer and things are about to get fucking wild. Did you see this animate anyone thing? Did you see this? No.

Holy shit. Okay, so it is, at first blush, it's like, oh, this is just like, for porn? It's, uh, it's, um, it's called animate anyone. And so these are, for the audio listener, you're just going to have to fucking suck it up. there it's this uh character animation aims to generate character videos from still images through driving signals

basically they are claiming and showing that they can animate any still image with this fuck and they show they show the weird like rainbow the the skeleton doing the thing yeah and it's as you would imagine it is astonishingly accurate even to they've got the hair movement down roughly they've got the movement of clothing um and it's just uh it's pretty fucking alarm they've got iron man for some reason i'm i think that's just show the the the lighting and the textures and stuff but we're getting close dude we're getting real close to what though those things just an internet full of bots fully just interacting with bots sure and like not knowing able to not being able to tell what's real not being able to tell what's real i just saw that

that, who's the guy, the big Hawaiian guy who died? The Rock. No, he didn't die. Though, did he? Boy, that would be on a Kobe Bryant level tragedy, wouldn't it? If the Rock died. Yeah, the, the, the, somewhere over the rainbow guy. Oh, fine.

Israel Kamana, Nakamanah, something. Well, if you Google a picture, if you Google his name, smiling, it already includes, like, AI photos of like just a giant spooky wide interesting yeah we're about to be dealing with that shit but speaking of the accelerating thing have you

you haven't heard about this E slash ACC I don't even know how you'd say it E X is that one of Elon's kids that's very good fuck fuck there there was

so I didn't even know about this because I'm not heavily into it But there was this parody sort, not even a parody account. There was this Twitter account called Beth Jaisos that had been really blowing up in the AI scene and in the venture capital scene. And the identity of this guy was recently made known. His name is Guillaume Verdone. And he's a former Google quantum engineer. Interesting.

And he is, he had made himself the kind of poster child for what's, It stands for effective acceleration. You've heard of accelerationism, yeah? Only in the sense of politics, really. And what does it mean to you in politics? Let's hurry up and get to the race war? Kind of, of like, almost the only way we can achieve the things we want. We're so far gone that change and incrementalism is so fucked.

We need to accelerate this to revolutionary. thing. So, you know, some people were like, vote for Donald Trump. We need the third world war. We need every, you know what I mean? Make it all bad so we can start over, build over. Think of this as like the, not antithesis to that, but the techno nerd kind of co-opting of that. So this guy was like the king of E slash effective acceleration, whose philosophy is to quote increase the scope and scale of civilization as measured in terms of its energy production and consumption whatever the fuck that means.

He goes on to clarify that it's basically like a newfound optimism and that we should not slow down and that we should just pour all of our resources and money and energy into just fucking growing and accelerating and advancing technology as quickly as possible. Here's a picture. But that's how the fucking tech nerds have thought. Yeah, but it's like a full-on movement.

Here he is on the left there. And look who he's with. It's Grimes. Grimes. So, yeah, Forbes released this article, essentially not doxing him, but they released his identity because they said they felt responsible to do so as his influence grows. Because he's got an increasing amount of, what's his name? Mark Andreessen follows him, and I think he has the E-S-A-C-thing in his body. You'll start to see it all over the place.

Martin Schrelli's got it in his username. Everybody's talking about it. And I do like what he had to say about Dumers and about the people who think that AI in particular is going to bring about the end of times. What the Beth Jesus guy has to say? Yeah, he said the Dumers who say AI will murder humans are instrumental to forces of evil and civilizational decline.

That if we focus on the end of the world and bio-weapons and things like that, we might engender our own doom by obsessing over it, and it demoralizes people and doesn't make them want to build. It's funny because that's actually very, I believe it's somewhere on the Mark Andresen, or what is it, Andresen Horowitz's site where they're talking about kind of their vision for the future and everything. And they almost, they almost talk about people trying to slow this down.

They must be reading the same things or communicating because they almost, they almost, explain it as if that attitude of like hey we need to we need to move cautiously with this tech and everything is like tantamount to I don't want to put this word in their mouth but it's almost like genocide because you're getting in the way of life saving technological advances you know yeah every every roadblock you put in their place is a is a person we could have saved with our new technology you know what I mean like a new whatever He says that he's trying to solve culture by engineering. He's defined effective acceleration as mimetic optimism, a meta-religion, a hypercognitive

biohack, a form of spirituality, and not a cult. But then offline, he says, we're kind of just optimistic people that want to build a better future. And he says that the bombastic personality is just a way to kind of game the algorithm on Twitter and elsewhere to spread his message. Which again, comes back to, in this interview, Elon states at his core, he's like the most optimistic person. Otherwise, he wouldn't, that's what drives him. Like, I believe that we can do all these things and that we can be better.

That's why I get involved in all this. Right. And I saw that part of it. And I really, I mean, you can't knock that. I admire that. optimism is is crucial to just to everything because otherwise what are we going to lay down and die like that's but he's getting he's like and not because he's a fucking genius but he's 20 steps ahead like dude you've got to do so much before we get to why do we need to cut immediately to putting people on mars put all of your fucking resources and energy into fixing what's here the one planet we've got dip shit i mean that's so i don't want to i don't want to jump around too much because we're on the AI stuff, but a great

example of this is if you go to I got another timeline. Fuck, where is it? Because he's talking about, oh, okay, go to like an hour and 15. All right, here we go. Jumping to an hour.

So he, because they start talking about neuralink. Oh, and he said, but he said that monkeys are. Yeah, just like, but and that's, oh is it not going to fucking do i need to refresh again oh x is the x is it all happens on x yeah it all happens on x right linda yaccarino thank you optimistic genius yeah post your fucking post your fucking videos here it's very easy to navigate and scrub through

holy christ on the cross jesus i mean i don't think there's a real need to make a phone essential need to make a phone, I'll make a phone, but I got a lot of fish to fry. So, I mean, I do think there's a, there's a fundamental challenge that phone makers have at this point because you've got basically a black rectangle. So I can ask him if he wants to get into the phone game and, like, start competing with these people, but he's got big plans. He doesn't need a phone. So you want to do that?

What does that, what does that look like in Elon's head? No, that's literally, yeah, good, good phrase in the head, a neural link. well there we go that we need to touch that before it's over man that's a great transition guys you know the the best interface would be a neural interface directly to your brain um so that that would be a neural way do you think from that and how how excited or scary does that seem to be and we read these headlines obviously about monkeys who died as you know what should we think about that uh yeah actually the the this is Wait, pause.

Oh, poor guy, dude. Come on. I hate, I feel bad for him. I just do. And he's going to tell, he clearly gets very uncomfortable with that question, right? That monkeys died when they tried to implant the neuralink. And then he chokes on his words for moments.

And now I'd imagine this is a lie. There's just no fucking way. who came by Neuralink facilities literally said in her entire career she has never seen a better animal

care facility it is we are the nicest to animals that you could possibly be even she's never seen a better animal care facility

yeah in her entire career yeah but Elon's company just gets into fucking mind chips

and she's like god damn you guys really nailed the fucking animal care facility game maybe they did baking everything um so uh it is it is like monkey paradise um monkey paradise

so bananas you got bananas you got monkey bars got it so uh the the thing that gets conflated is that there were some terminal monkeys where you know this is long this is actually several years ago where the monkeys were about to die and we're like okay we've got an experimental device it's all kind of thing we should only put in a monkey that's about to die And then, you know, now the monkey died, but it didn't die because of the NeurLink, died because it was, you know, had a total case of cancer or something like that. So... It just sounds like an excuse a teenager would make it.

We didn't kill those monkeys. Those monkeys had cancer. It had nothing to do with the thing we put in its brain. Neurlink has never, of course, the death of a monkey. Sylvester. unless they're hiding something for me is never caused death of a monkey and in fact we've now had monkeys with neuralink implants for like two, three years

and they're doing great. So, and we've even replaced the neuralink twice. What was the part we were looking for in this? At an hour and 15, he's going to talk about the... And we're getting ready to do the first implants and hopefully in a few months. In humans, right? Yeah, and which positive.

I do want to say that's the problem with a lot of, the way he talks about things and he's about to talk about like how these things could change the world. And it's impossible to argue with like, if you can do that, that's huge. He's going to be talking about what it would mean for one of the first things he wants to do is sensory stuff. So blind people is going to be huge. He thinks if this can work, he can.

Wait, they're going to make blind people huge? He thinks, you know, if they can. if they can help people do that first and then he wants to do people with paralysis from quadriplegic, paraplegic, get their bodies moving again. But

the problem is it's always you know, Tesla's a perfect example. If he's operating from this like altruistic thing, like it's, you know, there have been these studies where it's like,

this electric car gambit might be even worse for the environment when you're talking about all the all of the emissions it takes just to build these things and all of the coal we're using and all this shit. You mean cobalt? No, no. To power these grids and stuff, it's often just going right through coal.

Yeah, but then the race for lithium and all these materials we're going to need for this to turn on this huge thing is yeah but if he wanted really a safer world that got everyone that moved people uh at an efficient way he would have obviously been investing in high speed rail network yeah no kidding um but so let's let's hear what he has to say i think are unequivocally good speaking of the double-edged sword i think these early implementations are single-edged sword um because the first implementations will be to enable people who have lost the brain-body connection to be able to operate a computer or a phone

faster than someone who has hands that work. So you can imagine if Stephen Hawking could communicate faster than someone who had full body functionality. Which is huge, right? So you can't argue with that. It's like obviously a noble...

A proof of that, inner human. Hopefully in a few months. It already works in monkeys and worked quite well. pause it right there it already works in monkeys he's saying where is any of that

it might be well you mean like show us evidence yeah but I mean every time there's a new fucking like what does he call those things like the Tesla the things where he comes out in the fucking cowboy hat

and he's got the fucking he brings out like the world's worst robot that doesn't work and he's like look at what we did and everyone's like why would anyone want that Right. But he's so willing to do that, but it's like, holy shit, show me a fucking monkey that was blind that can fucking see now. Yeah, show me a monkey tweeting.

Right. But, okay, so keep going. And play video games just using, just by thinking. That was the fucking, go back a little bit. I don't know if I can. Oh, wait, yeah. Oh, wow, I can. It already works in monkeys.

It worked quite well with monkeys that can play video games just using, just by thinking. Yeah, show me the monkey who can play. Tetris by thinking. That sounds fucking cool. Why is Sorkin not going... Hold on a second. Wait. How... Y'all turn to monkey to play Tetris?

That's what kills me the fucking most. And this is why people hate fucking, like, mainstream media. And honestly, if he was on, which he frequently goes on, Joe Rogan, Joe Rogan, would have gone, holy shit. You got monkeys playing video games with their minds? You taught a monkey to play video? That's fucking crazy, dude. How are you not asking the...

dude, what he means? Just say, wait, wait, what do you mean? You have monkeys play video games with their minds. Because play it one more time. That's a psychotic thing. Monkeys that can play video games just using, just by thinking. They can play video games just by thinking. Yeah.

So, in the next application, after... No follow-up. That is fucking wild. The sort of those, you know, dealing with tetraplegics, who quadruplegics is going to be... Quadrophilegics, dude? Quadrophilegics? He can't make a P sound. He makes a...

He does that... Vision. Vision is the next thing. So it's like, if somebody is like, has lost both eyes or... Yeah, we get it. You know if there's some ocular correction. But it's just like, what are you talking about? about my man's got monkeys playing video games he's not there dude just release it let the monkeys

game he's running the world's premier animal care facility which he calls monkey paradise no one's treating monkeys better and they're all playing video games just by thinking that sounds cool man but we've heard nothing nothing about this stop there and just make it a just a 24-7 stream watching the monkeys eating Cheetos all fucking invest all empty my bank account and give it to you I'd be like we need more of this yeah more monkey paradise dude

but that's the thing his whole thing is like everyone's so mean to me I just want to make the the world a better place and if they actually knew me I actually have monkeys chilling right now you're a great point dude Elon if you're out there just all you got to do is release the footage of the monkeys

release the monkeys playing video game footage show us the monkeys playing gaming show us the monkeys playing CSGO or whatever whoa what was that man is the monkey is the monkey blind no it's all happening for the audio listener he's basically just doing a stevie wonder impression

Jesus God I don't I don't want to hear what does he have to say about the open AI or should we just stop oh it's fine oh well we have to go to an hour and six minutes and 30 seconds because this is an hour and six minutes and 30 seconds yeah this is a

another absolutely I can scrub through like this an hour six oh man this is uh this is so er Jesus Christ I want to call him Aaron Sorkin every time I even fucking think about his name um but he he asks him about you know he says the stuff that happened with the united auto workers Jesus Christ what happened with the united auto workers might must be on your mind and he asks him about unionization efforts at at Tesla. So I'm not going to give them a free service to every person. That's how I watch it.

I'm serious. Okay, here you go. We do very well in China because our China team is the best China. How worried are you that the unionization effort that just took place at, well, I shouldn't say effort, but the new wages and the like at GM and four. that they're coming for you, and they are coming for you. What is that going to mean to you in your business? Well, I mean, I think it's generally not good to have an adversarial relationship

between people in the line, you know, one group at the company and another group. In fact, I mean, I disagree with the idea of unions. It's also just like, it's so childish. It's like, I disagree with the notion of having. an adversarial relationship. It's like, by the very nature of it, you have an adversarial relationship. Yeah, already off the bat.

You are the king. You are the... Exactly. So it's so fucking silly. Oh, well, we just live in this harmonious, but you can just keep... For a reason that is different than people may expect,

which is, I just don't like anything which creates kind of a lords and peasants sort of thing. So then you should be... Shut the fuck up. Yeah. The unions naturally try to create

negativity in a company and create a sort of lords and peasants situation. How? There are many people at Tesla who have gone from working on the line to being in senior management. There is no Oh yeah, it must be perfect then. Everyone eats at the same table. Everyone parks the same parking lot. He's lying when he does the eyes jumping around. He's doing it right now. It's just like scanning nothing with his eyes. But in what way does it unionization well it's a cop out

dude oh fully but it's a lords and peasants thing it's like dude you're the richest man in the world yeah you literally have a lords and peasants arguably the biggest lord there is damn dude and he keeps going and talks it's all

fucking bullshit we tore his ass we tore his ass we did kind of torch his ass but god dude I want to get a job at the fucking monkey commune at fucking neralank I want to get a job I do anything you know what uh well I wouldn't want to get a job here, but that guy that I was mentioning that

Beth Jaisos has a company called X-Tropic, and they just raised $14 million, and he's describing it as an AI Manhattan project, and he said, if you knew what I was building, you'd try to ban it. But then it's like, whoa, holy shit, what are they trying to do? They're building a computer.

They're building a computer. That's it. They're building a physics-based computer that is not quantum, and his online persona was instrumental in getting the deal flow he says but i went on their uh i went on their website and they've got what do we got so check this out it's it says extropic and it's written in nerd font and it's uh and if you click accelerate they've got a whole page called accelerate and it says incoming transmission is that my fucking discord yeah god damn it i'm sorry guys uh they've got this uh they've got this thing

that says incoming transmission from the future the era the era of on Omnipresent generative AI is imminent. Timelines have been accelerated. The future must come to pass. X-Tropic is building the ultimate substrate for generative... Go ahead. ...theirative AI in the physical world. Building an AI supercomputer by harnessing the first principles of thermodynamics and information,

like an alien would. With this fundraising announcement, X-Tropic crosses a significant checkpoint in the timeline. a milestone in wielding the techno capital machine to birth a core technology for our civilizational trajectory. The X-Tropic AI supercomputer thus begins assembling itself from the future end of transmission. Man, I want to fucking dunk some heads and some toilets so bad, dude. Oh, I want to just do it all. Wedgy, swirly, and a locker stuff. That sounds like some kind of awful new.

age um three stooges swirley and locker stuff and a locker stuff speaking of nerds i got one more for you dude you don't palmer lucky oh the old uh mafia boss what um never mind wait where were you gonna go with that sounds like a mafia yeah i guess Dylan got it he's like the he's like the opposite of a of a monkey erp fuck i was gonna say monkey boss the the weeds kicking you and your pupils are a little bigger we didn't do that makes them red those are uh ecstasy doesn't make your pupils bigger

I don't know does it yeah whatever well uh uh so no Palmer lucky is the guy who who wears like a mullet and a um and a weird little chin goate and he's got a Hawaiian shirt on all the time and he created

oculus and then he had a big falling well not a big falling out but he was like all right, I'm fucking out of here. And he started a defense company called Andrew. Oh, good. But that's where all the real money is. That's why we're so fucked. It's actually really smart of him.

I'm not like, he's disrupting the, like, defense industry. And they're also making, they're making their shit with their own money and not with, like, government grants. But they just launched this drone that destroys other drones. Oh, good. And he, but he, he was interviewed himself and he had this, I thought that this was kind of fucking lame, but also funny, his, uh, early 1970s, if you look back in Google Scholar and you look at the timelines for when books started to use phrases like, follow your dreams, uh, especially in relation to the youth, it was in the early 1970s.

And, you know, I think what, it's become a bit, kind of a weird, feel good hippie thing. It's basically telling kids, go deeply into debt to do the thing that will never make you money or matter at all. And this is good advice. But more importantly, do you guys know what the number one dream was for kids in 1971? Can anyone guess? I know what it is.

Astronaut? I was going to say monkey video game. It's astronaut. We had just gone to the moon. And so that's a great dream. I mean, these guys were like fighter pilots, PhD mathematicians, supermen who were also really good looking and well-spoken. I mean, they picked them so that they were, you know, the ultimate American hero ideal.

For a kid to see that and say, that's what I want to be, okay, tell the kids to follow their dreams. But do you know what the number one job that kids most want today is? Monkey video game. Influencer. Yeah. Elon Musk. Is it influencer? It's a mix of those.

Yeah, it's social media influencer. Next. It's a fucking podcaster. It's professional gamer. Next is YouTuber. And the problem is when. You can't tell kids to follow their dreams when their dreams suck. Every time I see a fucking tech guy talk at one of these summits, I'm like, God, I never realized how much I appreciated just a fucking Wall Street stiff.

I hate this. What are you talking about those dreams suck? Do you have any idea how much it would rock to play video games for a living day? That's like, that's probably looking at him. That's the dream he had when he was a kid. Well, so, but it is, it's funny because my first thought was like, oh man, this is a. a dark timeline, but it's like, I mean, if we live in the world where we need to have defense, I guess, and I'd rather have a nerd like him, like, all right, yeah, go do that,

dude. Best defense is a great offense. Oh, dude. Dog. I think that Palmer Lucky is going to be one of the wealthiest men in the world. Certainly. I mean, he already technically is in, like, the top 1% because he's got a billion dollars or something, but you know who I got beef with still

as the creator of Instagram? I'd like to baby Hitler, him, you know? You know what I'm saying? Kevin, Kevin Sistram. Why? What did he do to you? He made Instagram. And you have beef with him?

Yes. Why? Yeah, dude. What do you mean? You disagree? Oh, it's just a funny... Yeah, he's... The timeline...

People talk about 2016 being the timeline... You think everything was good before Instagram? I think everything was fucking awesome before Instagram. By the way, whoever created a, what was that app before Instagram, hipstamatic, do you remember that? Hipstim, oh, yeah. Hipstagram? Hipstimatic. Okay.

And that guy probably, man, I'd fucking, I'd throw myself off of a, I'd throw myself off a bridge. Ben's high. We've got to go to bonus. Okay. Well, we're going to, so what do we got? What do we got coming up in the box? Oh, man. We're, we're going to visit the Pepeg's Indonesia.

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