The Ben Mulroney Show - A flurry of wild stories coming out of BC and Movember advocacy

Episode Date: November 6, 2025

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For more details, visit hope in the city, Toronto.ca. That's hope in the city, Toronto.ca. Welcome to the Ben Mulroney show. It is Thursday, November 6th. Thank you so much for joining us. This show is a national conversation. And so we want to extend that conversation all the way west to British Columbia, where things are getting kooky. You've got, let's just go through some of the news that is, it's a flurry of stories. You've got David Eby, the premier, saying a pipeline to the West Coast will never happen, ever. So much for Team Canada. So much for Team Canada. And as a reference point, we will have the conservative leader,

John Rustat, joining us tomorrow. David Eby is currently the premier in a minority government. And that last election could have gone either way, and it went his way. And he's, I don't know, he's talking like he speaks on behalf of all British Colombians. And I know from a government perspective, that makes sense. I know that that's true.

But does he have a mandate by the people to say something as dramatic as that? We're going to dig in with John Rustad tomorrow on a number of issues affecting his province. Very pleased to have him on for the first time here on the Ben Mulroney Show. Meanwhile, there was a BC independent MLA, Eleanor Sterko, who asked herself, if we didn't know that there was a lawsuit by the Cowichin tribe against the city of Richmond over the course of that had been in the works since 2014, what else don't we know? And she says there could be hundreds of lawsuits currently before the courts that taxpayers are unaware of. And she found out of 2016 notice of a civil claim case by a separate nation in Kamloops saying that the case seeks Aboriginal title over the entire city and other areas including Sun Peaks resort. They want it all. That's what they're going after.

That's just one of what she believes could be hundreds of these cases. And so we're going to follow all of that tomorrow, but let's stick with British Columbia. And I want to talk now with a mom, a mom who's been involved in her kids' school and the school board and done a number of things over the years. And it looks like she failed a purity test. And the impact of that failure is what we're talking about today. So please welcome Brioni Dixon to the show. Ms. Dixon, thank you so much for joining us. Hi, thanks for having me.

So in 2025, September of last year, you posted a blurry photo on Facebook of a teacher wearing a progress pride flag on the first day of school. And you were critical. Tell me about that post. Well, it was the week after the mass shooting at the school in the States. And the shooter had that flag on the front page of their manifesto. So I just thought it was a little bit bold. and maybe if some of the students there were familiar with that shooting, they might not feel very safe. We're seeing that kind of political symbolism in the school.

And it's a teacher's union shirt that the guy was wearing. So I just wearing it in the middle of the school field, I just put a post on Facebook saying that I didn't want my kids to be taught by this person if he's going to be peddling the same sort of grievance narratives that are leading to this kind of political violence. And yeah, I got a... a letter directing me to remove my post from the school district, and I told them that they had no authority over me to do that. And so the following day, I got served with some sort of

exclusion order. You were banned from the school. Yeah, yeah. And then, so you were banned by the school, from the school, you appealed and you won. Yeah, Lisa Bildy with the Free Speech Union wrote me a great letter, and they retracted it the following week. But I still have an ongoing situation with this school board because the Justice Center for Constitutional Freedoms has agreed to file a BC human rights complaint for me based on grounds of political discrimination because they have basically barred me from participating in the International Homestay Program. And that's exactly what we want to talk about next. So you followed the process. You appealed there banning you from school property. You won. But I guess there were some

people there who still didn't like it and wanted to show you who's boss. And even though you were approved to host international students and you'd hosted one student previously without any issue, you applied to host another and your application was ignored and later rejected. What were the grounds that they justified the rejection with? Well, they kept the rejection a secret. And I only reapplied because the student had contacted me directly. She was a friend of the student I had hosted. So she messaged me on WhatsApp, asked if she could stay with me because they were trying to put her in

Nanaimo and she'd been at the Lady Smith High School. So that's where I'm located. And so I said, yeah, sure, I'll reach out, say I'm happy to have you. And I never heard back. So I suspected I was blacklisted because I know the school board has a problem with me. So I did a freedom of information request and it revealed

these emails between the district staff basically saying how do we lie to the student about why she can't stay with Brianie? Wait, wait, wait, wait, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Say that again. What did you, what document did you uncover? Basically internal emails where they're talking about, you know, they need to delay and stall the student because she can't stay with me. And because this is very political, this kind of language, you know, this is very political.

We can't let the student know. And yeah, she's anti-Sogi. She's organizing these. these anti-Sogi rallies, and they were very explicit. And soji is sexual orientation and gender identity school curriculum? Yes, yes. And I'm technically, I haven't organized any anti-Sogi rallies, but I have been doing public speaking events with Megan Murphy here on the island.

Which is your right. It's your right in a democratic society to take issue with things and to use the levers at your disposal to affect the change that you want to see, whether it's something I agree with or not. That's your right. And you should be 100% be able to avail yourself of it. Here's what I find really interesting and dismaying at the same time is that this school board has in their midst an involved, passionate mom who wants to open her home to an international student. You've done it before. And they, rather than just accept the gift that is given to them. Not every parent is excited to do anything beyond the bare minimum. Rather than do that,

they're spending time that they should be spending on our kids and on taking care of their teachers to make sure our teachers can teach our kids. They're focused on trying to reverse engineer justifications to keep you out of the program. Yeah, not only that, they're investing their resources into surveilling me online because another freedom of information request that I did about the school trustees in particular because one of them defamed my events with Megan Murphy as a hate rally so I did a there was a bit of a letter writing campaign

with some fellow women in the community that said that he should not have been saying things like that and so I did a freedom of information request to see what the trustees were saying and one of them says why don't we put this staff member on it she's good at that kind of thing

looking for any legal liability of briny let's look for some liability of briny which is why when I then It was actually this September that I did the post about the t-shirt that the teacher was wearing and got banned from the school. And that, you know, it was the first week back, first day back. And they were already, like, obviously watching my social media every day so that they could instantly pick me up on what they thought was illegal liability there. And they were wrong about that. Okay.

So this is some pretty significant. These are allegations of real malfeasance by this group. So what steps are you taking to. rectify it? So at the minute, it's the BC human rights complaint. So this is on grounds of discrimination in employment because technically, even as a homestay parent, there's an employee-employer relationship there. And the BC Human Rights Tribunal does cover like volunteerism and things like that, even

under that area. So, yeah, that's the angle we're going. But we have to wait to see if the tribunal will hear the case. and I think that takes some time. But yeah, at the end of the day, the public schools are there to serve the whole public. So they shouldn't be excluding anyone's political views. And they're supposed to be inclusive, right?

This double speak is really revealing itself. Some of the most exclusive people who love marginalizing are those who tout their inclusive bona fides. It's the trap that we're living in. And you don't sound like you fall for too many traps. And I appreciate you being here and sharing your story. And please keep us updated if the tribunal decides to pick up this case. We'd love to follow it.

We'll do. Thanks so much. Thank you so much. Wow, what a banana story. Bonkers story. If that happened in Ontario, I'm pretty sure Paul Kalandra, the Minister of Education, would have something to say about it. All right.

Up next, we're going to talk mustaches or rather Movember. Don't go anywhere. The Ben Mulroney Show marches on. Welcome back to the Ben Mulroney show, and it's November, which means it's Movember. It's a chance to talk about issues that are specific to men's health, men's mental health, prostate cancer, testicular cancer, suicide prevention. And one of the ways that Movember has, remains on people's radar is men grow facial hair. I am incapable of doing that in any meaningful way. So I'm doing the next best thing, which is bringing this up on this show with somebody who's got a story to tell about his own journey.

And very, very glad to have with me, Samir Morani, mental health advocate, speaker, entrepreneur, and host and producer of the Gents Talk podcast. Samir, welcome to the show. Thanks for having me. Yeah, first of all, I want to thank you for being here. I want to thank you for sharing your story. It's, I think the last bastion of removing stigma is for men. We are living in a time where we want everybody to be free and open with their issues and their concerns. And yet, for our own reasons, but also for reasons of expectation that society has on men, we are less free to share.

Is that a fair to say? Absolutely. Okay. So before we get into all of that, let's learn about a little bit about you. Who are you? Well, I've been recalibrating how I introduce myself, but I am basically a storyteller. I tell my own story when it comes to the challenges with mental health and modern masculinity, but I also use my platform, Jen's Talk, to amplify the stories of other men who also have stories to share about mental health and wellness and their journeys.

So take us back to the point in your journey that relates to what we're talking about today. Yeah, so it's before 2020 and after 2020. That's how I break my life up. Okay. In 2020, I was married, and my partner and I split up. And when she decided to leave, I did what most men do. I packed in all of my emotions, buried them, and said, I'm never going to talk to these guys ever again. So I don't need them.

I worked hard. I worked long hours. I partied. I drank. I distracted myself. And then once the pandemic happened and the lockdowns took effect, I was stuck in isolation. No gym, no sports. TV, nothing. I just had myself. And suddenly all those emotions boiled to the surface and it finally

made me deal with all of them and go, wow, there's a lot in there that are beyond just the relationship that didn't work. But there was stuff from my childhood, stuff about, you know, broken relationships, friendships, family issues, all that stuff boiled to the surface. And then I realized the current version of masculinity was no longer working for me and I needed to do something about it. Otherwise, I'd end up a statistic in some report on mental health. And so how did you, how did you come out the other side. That took a lot of work, but it also started with talking to other men. It started by understanding that I wasn't unique, that the situation I was going through wasn't unique and that there were other men who've gone through something similar and that I was able to lean on them

for guidance, advice, experience, having those conversations, talking to a therapist for the first time, learning, reading, listening, I had to work through the emotions. That was the only way out of it. Yeah, yeah. Well, having a safe space to talk about things is that, you know, there's this weird pull of being a man today where you know we are there are certain expectations that we place on ourselves but they are also expected of us you know there is there is an element of providing that is expected however it can't provide too much because you don't want to be accused of being toxic in your masculinity and and so you know there's there's this element of society that tells us that the things that define us as men the things that our parents told us were our

responsibility those are issues in society that need to be overcome things that that we believe are central to our identity or somehow a drag on society. And that was a tough thing, that was a tough pill to swallow maybe six, seven years ago when all of a sudden I was told, I'm a problem?

How am I a problem? I always viewed myself if I projected, if I was kind, if I was respectful to people, that that would be a net positive in people's lives. And then I'm told, no, the very nature of who you are, the fact that you look the way you do, the fact you come from where you come from and the fact that you are, you know, a privileged white man,

that is a problem. And I was like, okay, well, I don't know what to do with that then. And if I, if my very identity is a problem, what's going to happen when I actually hit a road bump in life? And I've hit some. And I've had some really tough times. I only recently about a year ago started seeing a therapist and thank God I did. It's been, and sometimes it's just me screaming to be honest. Sometimes that's what I need. What do you tell, what do you hear from other men when you talked to them. You said that was part of your journey, hearing their stories. Are there commonalities with them? You said, you weren't unique. So what did you learn about yourself and about other men that is common amongst us? I think the biggest thing is this inherent fear that we're

going to be judged and shut down if we ever tried to express our emotions. If we were to ever express anything outside of anger, confidence, if we expressed sadness, fear, anxiety, uncertainty, that somehow that makes us less of a man. And I think a lot of men are struggling with that because on the one hand, they're perceived to be stoic and strong and everything together when inside they're not.

And then on the other hand, they're supposed to also, to your point, be providers, be leaders. And that contradiction sometimes really creates a battle internally. How can I be so strong when I feel so small inside? And there have been men. I know them. I've been one of these men who when I've tried to open up to one person or another,

when I've felt that moment of vulnerability and I've needed to be heard, I have not gotten the reaction that in any way was beneficial to me. Like it was, there was judgment, there has been judgment. And sometimes that's all it takes for a man to just say, I'm never doing that again. I just touched the stove and I got burnt and I'm not doing it again. And so it's interesting. like the world we want to live in, the world I want to live in, is the one you just described and the one that, you know, you've manifested for yourself, which is, you know, being,

being comfortable enough and confident enough to talk about those issues that have held you back. But not every man is there yet. Not every man lives in a community where that's okay. There are cultural issues. There are demographic issues. There are urban versus rural issues. I mean, it's really, really tricky for a lot of men. There's definitely a lot of layers to it. It's not as easy as, you know, you and I talk about it here. There's a lot of work that goes into it. I think one of the methods that people can use, if you know that there's a man in your life that's struggling, you know, there's something called the Alec method. You can just start by asking them, hey, how are you? And genuinely being

curious about how they are. Listen to what they're saying. Be present with them. And then encourage them to open up. Encourage them to seek the help that they need. But I think the biggest one of them all is the final one, check in on them. Right. Like if you and I have this one conversation today and then we never check in on each other again, you could still be dealing with something five days from now, 10 years from now, and I'll never know because I haven't made that effort. Yeah, it's, I'm, you know, listen, society is fluid and it changes and priorities change as well, but, you know, I've worked in news now, we, current events, I'm not a

journalist, but I work in current events, and I did so as well for five years on television. And like I said, there, there, I mean, I just, I just saw it. It was a, it was a post by, by a journalist. It was after the death of the Humboldt of Broncos in the bus. And this journalist posted that she had a problem with it because of the masculinity and the whiteness of the victims. And I was like, I don't know how a man can read that and say, I'm going to be treated well if something bad happens to me

or if I need to express something that is negative in me. It's so many conflicting messages. And, I mean, as in your work, as if you hear from somebody who says, you know, I don't know who to talk to, I don't know what that first step should be. What do you tell them? What's the first step someone should be if they say, I'm ready to talk. But I don't know where to go. I don't know who to trust. Yeah.

That's a hard one because I remember being in that position, too, where I looked around and I'm like, I don't know where the men in my life are that I can turn to. And it's kind of a try and fail exercise, right? You're going to have men in your life that you can try to turn to. and you're going it's going to require some courage it's not easy but you're going to reach out and you're going to say hey can we chat about something challenging in my life be honest and they might reciprocate and if they do great and if they don't that's okay the point is you try again and if that doesn't work and you're surveying your surroundings going there's nobody I can talk to try to seek out professional help talk to a therapist I mean you just mentioned you've spoken to a therapist and it's

one of the best decisions you made it was one of the best decisions I made yeah because they're there to help guide you through something help give you the tool so that you can work on yourself going forward as well. Yeah, and sometimes that bottling up of those emotions, it can actually lead to physical manifestation of problems. Oh, you know what? We're up against the clock. We're going to continue this conversation after the break.

I'm in conversation with Samir Morani. We're talking mental health. We're talking men's health. And he's the host and producer of Gents Talk Podcast. I want to talk to you about that when we come back. Don't go anywhere. This is the Ben Mulrino show from coast to coast to coast on the course radio network. Let's face it, finding your next favorite podcast can be tough, but that's about to change.

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He's an entrepreneur. He's a storyteller and the host and producer of Gents Talk, the podcast. We're going to talk about that in a moment. We're talking about Movember and we're talking about the need for men to feel comfortable enough to talk about the issues that are bringing them down so that they can lift them themselves up. And we were talking about your journey from being, you know, for lack of a better expression, broken. And I want to ask you, how are you today? It's always, as a journey, it's never going to be over, but what's the photograph of you today look like? Today,

seated across from you as a man who is, to your point, still in his journey. But I met an incredible person. We got married this year. Congratulations. Thank you. That's great. Mila is just an incredible soul. That's my mom's name. Oh, no way. That's my mom's name. Yeah. Mela is incredible. We love the name, Mila.

And she's taught me a lot, too, but it just reinforces this idea that no matter how deep in the hole you feel, it does get better. And I didn't believe it in that moment, but now looking back and reflecting, I definitely believe that. And I tell that to any man or person that I have a conversation with. What about the other relationships in your life? I'm so happy you found that your person. But, you know, we've got our network.

We've got our support system. And you weren't availing yourself of. it when you probably needed to. What about the friends that you had back then and today? How are those friendships? Yeah. So every friendship that I have, every close friend that I have now, it's a deep and meaningful one because I've intentionally gone into that relationship with the idea that I'm going to share who I am as I am and I want you to do the same. Because if it's going to be a surface level relationship, you can get that anywhere. It's not the same thing. I've got a small but tight group of men in my life that I can rely on. I can

talk to. I can ask for advice because the other thing I've learned in this journey is I can't expect my partner to be my all. My business partner, my confidants, my therapist, my fiance, like none of that. Yeah. Well, you can't have a small world, you know, like, because if it is, then, then that person is everything. And it's too much for one person. It's too much for one person. And also being on the receiving end of it can be too much as well. Like the attention that you're getting from one person all the time and only from that person, it can be too much. And you'll, it can be a burden. It can be a burden. You can drive them away. So let's now talk about sort of the value of Movember. I remember when it started or at least when it popped into my life, there was something fun about it. It was nice to talk about

something different and the way they were going about it was really interesting. The older I get, the more I appreciate the value and the need for it. What do you want people to know about Movember? Well, in the month of November, November, November really comes to life, right? People start growing mustaches, they host fundraisers, they do, you know, hot wings, eating contest. They do all sorts of fun stuff like that. But the reality is men are dying every single day of the year. They're dying younger. They're dying faster. One in eight Canadian men are going to be diagnosed with prostate cancer. Three out of every four suicides are men. We need to start having these conversations. And November does work all year round. And I think that's the key piece here is it's

not just in the month of November. Sure, that's when all the fun activities sometimes come to life. but there's research, there's programs, there's initiatives that are happening all year round, and Movember plays such a central role in that. And really and truly, when it comes to men's health, they're a leading voice in that space. And what, you've got to tell our listeners what you're doing to raise money from Movember. So like yourselves, I can't grow a stash that looks very good. Yours looks terrific. Come on, man. No, no, I got to keep it. I would pay money for that. That sort of follicular ability. No, it's too kind of you, but the reality is I wanted to do something that involved movement because I remember that time in my life where I was broken emotionally and by extension

physically couldn't get out of bed. So I decided to put together a run this Saturday, November 8th, of 50 kilometers. All right, okay. Where does it start? Why 50 kilometers? The funny story behind that is two of my best men we talked about going to a spa after the run and we mapped out the distance and it was exactly 50 so we said why don't we run to the spa and then we realized there was too many

logistical problems so we said why don't we just stick to 50 but we'll create a trail so we're running the Lakeshore waterfront trail we're starting at Park Lawn and Lake Shore at 10 a.m. Anyone and everyone is welcome and you don't have to run the full 50 I'm going to do that. You're going to do it but I have people joining

who are running one kilometer five kilometers some people are biking 10 kilometers, but the idea is to do this together because movement is such a key part of improving our health. And how can people get involved? If they want to support you or if they want to show up

or if they want to raise funds to participate with you, how can they do that? Absolutely. Just find me on social, Samir Morani, very easy. Send me a DM. I'm responding to everybody and inviting everybody out. Good for you, man.

Let's talk about this podcast of yours. I mean, there's a lot of podcasts out there, but everyone needs their thing, right? You've got to be able to separate yourself from the pack. is angry white man. That's the thing that I'm bringing to the table. What is what's, tell me, tell us about your podcast. So Jen Stock started with this idea of pulling the curtain back on men's mental health and wellness. And we did that by interviewing celebrities who from, by all accounts are successful, fame, fortune, you name it. But the realities are behind every story. There was a

moment of failure, a moment of quitting everything, broken relationships, mental health challenges. And when I had these incredible people come on the podcast and have these. conversations, it really resonated with the audience and people have started to crave it more and more because they're realizing, despite what you're seeing online, we're all human. Oh, I know. We're all going through it. Can I tell you one of the smartest things I did? I stopped using social media for anything but work. And I don't, I'm almost never on it unless I'm engaging for work. And my numbers on Instagram have gone down because of that, but our show is doing well. But I find one of the things I'm not subjected to anymore, unless I accidentally end up doom scrolling for a few

minutes, is that, you know, those perfect lives with the patina of perfection. And I know that there's no way it's that perfect. And it used to anger me so much. And now I've sort of marginalized it in my life. And I bet you're right. I bet these people who had an expectation that celebrities do not go through things because, oh, they've got all the money and they've got all the fame and They've got all the stuff, right? That that's not, first of all, those things can bring the baggage of their own pressures and their own expectations that dwarf a regular person's issues. But we're all, we all deal with the same human dynamics.

And so I bet you that's really helpful to hear an authentic, real conversation about vulnerability from somebody that they probably held on a pedestal. That's got to go a long way. 100%. I had James Blunt on the podcast. talk about how in all his years doing interviews, he's never had an opportunity to speak as James the man and not James Blunt, the artist.

Yeah, everyone wants to hear about the record sales and they want to hear about all the sexy stuff. And look, celebrities have, in a lot of ways, they sort of created that barrier to get through on their own by having publicists and PR agents and wanting to promote a vision and a brand that they could sell. And the best way to do that is to promote happiness and success and joy and humor.

It's not always the case. No. Yeah. And are you continuing with that? I am, yeah. So the podcast is now going on. It's third year. It's in the top 5% globally on Spotify, which is incredible and mind-blowing.

But it's also on board Air Canada. What? Which is so wild. Oh, that's cool. Yeah. Next time I'm taking a West Jet flight. It's on West Jet as well. It just got picked up on West Jet.

I'm going to be on West Jet tomorrow night. Okay. Yes, I'll absolutely look it up. Yeah, please do. That's amazing. And we'll get you on, too. Yeah. Well, I'll, I'm no James Blachet.

but I'd love to join you. We only have a little bit of time left. How'd you meet Mila? If you don't mind me asking. Yeah, no, absolutely. We met during the pandemic on a dating app, and I absolutely hated the experience and deleted the app. Once you find the person?

Well, I redownloaded it because it's the middle of the pandemic, and how do you meet anybody? And we connected, and she said she also hated the app, and that's why she wasn't really on it. We went on a date, and we haven't stopped talking since. That's amazing. That's great. That's great.

How did you know? that she was your person. It was our second date, and I had to tell her everything that was happening in my life because my phone was blowing up during our date with some new drama in the divorce. And she, you know, I took the call and sat back in front of her, and she's like, are you okay? And I kind of just said, listen, I'm going to tell you something. I didn't want to tell you right away.

I was hoping you would like me enough to stay. So you gave her a big data dump. I gave her everything. And I just said, hey, do you want me to drive you home and stop talking? I get it. She's like, you know what, and I'll never forget this. You tried at life, you failed, but you're trying again and you're showing up and you care.

That's all I can ask for. Wow, Samir Mirani, I've loved this conversation. I'm glad you were here for two segments. People can find, how can people find you again online? Samir Morani, my name or Jen's Talk for the podcast. And of course, please check out Movember and all the initiatives they're doing. Absolutely. Thank you so much for coming in.

Thank you for this conversation. Good luck with the run. Don't forget to stretch. And have a good time at the spot. It will be a well-deserved afternoon. Good job. Congratulations. And please come back anytime. I appreciate it.

And my best, Camila. Thank you.