The Ben Mulroney Show - A New Angle On Minny Shootingev Mandate Newspolitical Panel

Episode Date: January 11, 2026

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AI for tax experts. Welcome to the show. Thank you so much for being here on this Friday, the 9th of January, 2026. We got to go back to Minnesota every single day. There's something new going on there. And a couple of days ago, the flashpoint erupted where there were some videos.

video footage of a woman being shot and killed at the hands of an ice agent. And the videos were such that you would draw whatever conclusion was most, was closest to your heart. It was like a Roershack test. If you wanted to see from those angles, an ice agent murdering a woman in cold blood, that's what you saw. And there was a lot of that on social media. You had the mayor of Minneapolis saying as much, saying get the F. out of Minnesota. Governor Tim Walls was equally upset

with what he saw was bloodthirsty ICE agents killing innocent Americans. And then a new video dropped just a little while ago, a new angle

and this shows everything because this is from the point of view of one of the ice agents. And what you see is not what the left has been pushing. We on this show have been very judicious in our analysis in that we are not analyzing it. We're following the bouncing ball. At no point over the past two days have we ascribed motivation to either

side because you couldn't tell from those videos. That was our conclusion. Not enough information. Well, now I'm pretty comfortable with the information to be able to give you my conclusion. and what we see is Renee Good sitting in her car with a really shiz eating grin on her face as she is approached by this ICE agent who's got his camera out. A woman who is likely Good's wife has her camera out antagonizing the agents. And as the cops clearly say, get out of the car. the other woman, who we think is the wife, screams drive, baby, drive, drive,

and the car is put into drive, jerks forward. You hear the, oh, we got the audio, let's listen. That's okay, we don't change our plates every morning, just so you know. It'll be the same plate when you come talk to us later. That's fine. U.S. citizen, former fiends. You want to come at us?

You want to come at us? I say go get yourself some lunch, big boy. Now the car. Out of the car. Get out of the fucking car. Get out of the car. Yep. Case closed as far as I'm concerned. I don't think it's ever case closed, but it certainly does appear. I mean, you can hear her saying, drive, baby, drive.

You know, so you can hear the antagonizing of the cops, meaning this wasn't a woman who just found herself there. This is this, this, that, that I think we can dismiss. you clearly hear the cop giving her an order. Get out of the car. You clearly hear the other woman say, drive, baby, drive, drive. You hear the car accelerate. You hear the collision of the car with the cop.

You hear the go, oof, like you can hear that he is, he is being pushed up against by a motor vehicle. And then you hear him shoot. That's, and you see it all too. That's the sequence of events. And also in the moment, the moment basically from when she's yelling drive, baby drive, drive, to him getting hints,

that's split second. He has so little time to react. Because the car was going backwards and then it just lurches forward. This, of course, it is a tragedy when anybody dies, but this, this was avoidable.

And the person who, the people who should have avoided it were the people, and one of them is now dead. This is not, this is a, yesterday, it was very important to say, hey, let's let cooler heads prevail. Hey, let's wait for more information. I now have the information I need to be able to say, yeah, there's, there's some people who behaved poorly here.

But as you said, depending on your, which end of the political spectrum you were on, you saw it completely different. You were either, hey, I need some more information. It doesn't look good. I want more information. Or it was flat out murder. And you know which side said what. But if you see that video and still say that the cop murdered her,

you got to have your head checked. You got to have your head checked. And because of this, because the situation has been so inflamed, we are now dealing with civil unrest in Minneapolis, the likes of which we probably haven't seen since George Floyd. You know, the protesters are becoming emboldened. And what it appears this woman was doing, which was actively blocking these guys from doing their job, we're seeing all over the place.

And here's an interaction that an ICE agent had from today with someone who is clearly a lefty. And the ice guy remains polite. If you can, if I continually see you following us, interfering with us, honking your horn, blocking our cars, you have. a very high probability of making a really bad decision and being arrested today, okay? I think I'm making exactly the right decision. I'm not. I'm giving her a warning to not interfere with what we're doing to not make a bad decision today and ruin your life.

Oh, bad decisions. That's funny coming from you. Okay, all righty. Thank you. Have a good day. I hope you have a terrible day. Okay, thank you. What do you have to say?

Guys, like, just be honest. Like, this did not go the way you thought it was going to go. the information that was out there was thrown out there by people who were being emotional and you believed it because it satisfied your worldview that these ICE agents are the Gestapo and anybody who takes issue with them is on the right side of history. Well, the information is now more than suggesting that this woman was deliberately trying to antagonize, get in their way, and then when asked by a law enforcement agent to get out of the car, not only did she not get out, but she put the car in drive,

and whether it was by accident or not, almost drove over the cop so he shot her. That's not an innocent person. It's not an innocent person. I don't, again. Did she deserve to get shot? Nobody deserves to get shot. Nobody ever deserves to get shot unless you're, I mean,

but your vehicle in that moment was a weapon. It was a weapon. And if it's between the life of a cop and somebody who's using, their car as a weapon, the cop doesn't have a choice. But the story that came out that a lot of the left-leaning media in the United States were really trying to push was because they spoke with the ex-husband of this woman saying that, no, she's never protested a day in her life. She would just dropped off her kid and just happened upon that scene.

And there's no way that she was there to protest. But from this video, it's pretty clear that she was there along with her wife. and they are there trying to antagonize and trying to disrupt. You're telling me that she accidentally stumbled onto that situation and oh, and in that knew exactly what to do in terms of blocking stuff and a wife got out and knew what to do with her and how to antagonize. Like, no, these were people who've been, that, this didn't happen by accident. This was by design by people who knew what they were doing.

They knew how to keep their cool in that moment. I tell you, if I accidentally stumbled onto a situation, and ice agents with their masks and their guns were there, I would do whatever they said because I didn't belong there. I didn't want to be there. How do I get myself out of this situation? They were as cool as the other side of the pillow. They knew what they were doing.

And so I'm sorry, this person is not a hero. It's tragic that they're dead, not a hero. Find another hero, guys, because this is not the person you want to hit your wagon to. And the press is going to have to answer for how they position. in this and how they yeah. The governor has declared today a day of unity. He called for a

statewide moment of silence and community service and good men. So wrong so often. Governor Walls and schools have been canceled in person schooling has been canceled for kids in Minneapolis. And they're blockading neighborhoods. They're blockading neighborhoods. This is not going to end well.

Now you've got the ice guys have whether you agree with their job or not, have a job to do. And the police chief in Philadelphia is saying that she would arrest ICE agents. Good luck. She saw them. It's getting. Yeah, it's getting bad down there.

It is. Well, all right. Most people agree that the mandate that all vehicles sold in Canada by 2025 have to be electric was boneheaded. So what has the Carney government done with to deal with that? Ha ha. It's a very liberal thing to do. We'll talk about it next. It's really the best use of my turn.

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All right, the EV mandate. In Justin Trudeau's world, by 2035, we were going to be living in a world where every single car in Canada that was to be sold was going to be an electric vehicle. It was a pie in the sky, bold, some would say foolish. dream, but his government mandated that that was going to happen. And then something happened, something funny happened. Evie sales collapsed. And as of right now, EVs, electric vehicles, account for about 7 to 9% of new vehicle sales. So not exactly on the path to turning that wish into a reality. So what to do with the EV mandate? Well, that fell to our prime minister, our new prime minister, Mark Carney. And first what he did is he,

he paused it for 60 days to review it, right? But now he's decided to pause it for all of 2026. And is that a good idea or is that just punting the ball? Is it causing problems because car companies have to plan for the future and you can't plan if you don't know what the future is going to look like? Well, let's check in with Flavio Volpe. He's the president of the automotive parts manufacturers association. Always great to talk to him on these subjects. Flavio, welcome to the show.

Thanks so much for being here. Ben, big football weekend. And, you know, those of us who watch a lot of it know that sometimes a punt at the right time is a good thing. But you never plan to punt. You got to score. I know, but there was no scoring on this. There was just recognizing it was a bad idea. And look, I don't think, Flavio, I don't think anybody thinks that the future isn't electric.

I believe, I think everybody, and I want it to be electric. Frankly, the coolest cars that I see are electric cars. But Canada is cold and it's big. and for those two reasons, and I'm sure many, many more, we can't just adopt these EVs as if we're living in a tiny European nation. So it's going to take us longer to get there.

Yeah, I agree with you. I think when the mandate came out, the target was 100% by 2035. Those of us in the industry who knew just how tough that curve was, always said the actual number would probably be 35% by 2035. And if you choke the market

and you choke the producers who are making 1.5, 2 million cars here and employing 150,000 directly and 500,000 indirectly, the only way you'd make that gap up is if you brought in Chinese vehicles, because they were ready. Right. Yeah. And they're cheaper. And neither one of them is good. Yeah, neither one of them is good for the Canadian economy or Canadian jobs. Right. We're in limbo right now. So you guys are stuck with the uncertainty of not knowing for another year. I don't understand, you know, Mark Carney politically didn't have to only.

this mandate. He didn't make the decision. He's had no problem reversing other Trudeau-era decisions. I don't know why he wouldn't do that. The facts on the ground are screaming loud and clear that this thing needed to go. And there are other ways. Wouldn't you agree? There are other ways to incentivize people to move towards electrification. Heck, how about the middle ground of hybrids, which are not even mentioned here? Yeah. Yeah. Look, I think it's on pause. But I don't think it's on pause for a year. I think in our conversations, high-level conversations with the government, we are expecting very shortly to hear what the new regime looks like.

Our hope is that what they do is harmonize with the U.S., which has decided to move away from the mandate scheme and go to an increasingly restrictive GHG target. And they, hey, by the way, your car has to produce. less and less grams of CO2 per kilometers. Okay. Through to a certain time. Not picking a technology.

There's lots of ways to get there and lots of ways to reduce that is hybrid, then plug-in hybrid, then battery EV, or, you know, for fleets could be hydrogen, a whole bunch of things. Yeah. But without penalizing the producer. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, all those things make sense. And we lived in such an ideological moment under Justin Trudeau, whether it had to be,

we got to go green by completely green by. 2035 or or not. Like that's my way or the highway. And, but, but, but I mean, how much, how much uncertainty can the automotive industry take? And this is self-imposed uncertainty. Like we, we're already dealing with the uncertainty of, of Donald Trump. I don't know that we should be penalizing ourselves by, by not, by not making the groundwork as, and, and the rules of engagement as clear as possible for Canadian automotive companies.

Right. Look, I agree with you. I think this is kind of a multifaceted look. What do we make here? What are the things that, what are the types of vehicles that employ Canadians? Those are the ones we should promote to Canadians. And then, you know, where does Canada play in the EV space? Look, we know that we have all the minerals in the ground to be the biggest battery players outside of China.

So what do we do in between that moment and this moment? Well, we get rid of restrictive things like the EVs. mandate and turn them into something that is a little bit technology agnostic and focuses on the carbon output, but also put those incentives back in place, but favor Canadian sourced vehicles, but vehicles have Canadian content in them. Make it more modest, but help people bridge that gap. And Flavio, what happened to that, that Canadian, at all Canadian EV? that was built just to show that we could do it.

Remember that? Well, yeah, we built that Project Arrow, and your listeners should show up at the Toronto Auto Show in February. We're going to reveal the second gen. As we work that program to continue to show the market and the government, there's another path that in part we can do things ourselves. We're about to spend $80 billion, a new $80 billion in defense spending. A lot of that stuff rolls on wheels.

We should see if we can't create a Canadian solution for that. Yeah. And help to bolster some of the jobs that are here while we go through, like you said, the inevitable transition. Yeah. Without making the inevitable transition, hey, by the way, let's just buy Chinese stuff to get to a target that nobody could achieve. Well, let's talk about the China of it all. Ontario Premier Doug Ford said, yeah, no problem, Chinese EVs. just so long as they're built in Ontario and employed unionized Canadian workers.

So I don't know whether he was being crafty by saying, I don't have a problem with the EVs. I have a problem with Chinese EVs. I have a problem with if they're not built by Canadians with unionized jobs, which means Chinese EVs are not coming to Canada. Yeah, look, I think what he's suddenly saying there is what we know in the industry is that the Chinese, the reason why the Chinese manufacturers, are so successful is that they suppress the cost and flood markets with exports.

So if you want access to this market, then you need to build here. But you've got to do it in ways that Toyota and Honda and Ford and General Motors and Dodger here, which is you have to meet the local content requirements of the USMCA. You can't send in knockdown kits, what we call in the business. You have to be, if you're going to let them in, you've got to do what they did to us, which is forced local JVs and make sure that they buy from existing Canadian supply base or American or Mexican supply base in this region.

Would they play ball that way? Well, look, to date, they haven't indicated that they would. You know, we chased a couple of major Chinese investments in 2017 and 18 before the whole Huawei mess stopped all of that. And what they wanted to do was one of two things. import so that they could get their cost advantage. Or import, what essentially are is they'd fully assemble the vehicles

and then kind of disassemble them into a short list of components and what we call a knockdown kit here, which is pull them out of the container, assemble them in one facility, but you don't get the, like a facility might have 3,000 jobs. But the way the auto business works is probably another 9,000, 10,000, jobs in the supply chain. They don't want to play that way the last time we talked to them.

Interesting. I mean, look, you know, if there could be an opportunity through long-term negotiation, good faith negotiation. If the Americans want to leave us, maybe there's a role for China to play so long as they're willing to play by the rules of, you know, the home, we got home field advantage is our home. And if we could get them there, then maybe there's a role for them to play. But look, I appreciate you, man.

I appreciate you coming in. I can't imagine how complicated your. world is these days. So thank you for making a little more simple for our listeners. Anytime, Ben, you know that. All right. Hey, don't go anywhere. Our final political panel of the week, oh, it's going to be a doozy. That time

of the week, we like to close out every, the show's not over, but we like on Fridays to close out our political panels with a dozy. And this week, we're doing something a little bit different, because some of you don't know that every day, at noon, from 1215 to 1230, I join

Benoit de Trisac on his show from Montreal. And he's the host of the Benoit Dutrisak show on Cube. And he joins it. I asked him, I said, hey, I come on your show. Maybe you could come on my show. So welcome, Benoit. Sure, thank you. Twice

in the same day. I know, it might be too much. It might be too much for people to handle, but we'll see what we can do. And of course, we've got our old stalwart, as I like to say, looks like white privilege embodied. Welcome to the show, my friend. You look like a lot.

You look like you're straight out of central casting for like the evil lacrosse player at the high school. Yeah. But with a heart of gold. I was an awful lacrosse. I was an awful lacrosse player if that's any solace. Hey, Chris, say how to Benoit. Benoit, say how to Chris. Hey, hi, Chris.

Nice to meet you. Well, listen, we're going to start with, we're saying goodbye to someone very important to all of us. And so before we do, let's just play a little, play a little music. Take a moment as we remember the political legacy of Christia Freeland. Yeah, it's tough. Okay. All right, now that we had that moment, Chris, you seem to be the one who's the least emotional. So I'm going to pass the microphone to you first while Bunwa and I recover.

Tell us what you believe Christopher's political legacy will be. You know, Ben, I think it's a great question. I've been thinking about this a lot since she stepped down. And I think the answer is, and it's probably not as impressive as what she would have hoped it was, but I think it was ultimately being the one that I think put the final nail in the coffin of Justin Trudeau's leadership as prime minister of this country. I think if you think back, that that letter she penned her resignation really set in motion the end of a decade-long tenure with Justin Trudeau at the helm of our country. And so it might not be what she dreamt, her legacy would be. But I don't think it's one of fiscal prudence.

That's for sure. Well, that's a, yeah, I don't think it's. That's the point, right? You know, in her letter, she spoke of, I have to, I got to leave because you're unwilling to demonstrate any fiscal prudence. But she was the embodiment of that lack of prudence for so many years. Benoit, what do you, what do you think of that? For the, for the billion dollars.

in deficit, the last budget. And remember, when she put Justin Trudeau out the door, it cost us everyone, Canadians, Quebecers, $570 million for elections. That's, you know, that's nothing. That's a half a billion dollar. Put that on the credit card, like the rest of the debt. It doesn't matter. And what does Zelensky is expecting of her? You know? Well, that's the thing. Because anyone knows. Well, I think that's a good point, Benoit, like this is, how she is seen, like, her past is prologue to what she's going to be doing for Ukraine.

And Chris, I got to wonder, what does he see her legacy being and what advantages does he think she's bringing to the table? Benoit and I were talking about it a little bit earlier today. And I think he's bringing her in to be a super connector. I can't imagine he's bringing her into balance budgets or to do anything, but except connect with. connect with the people who could help with whatever the job is. No, it's a great question and kind of thought experiment, Ben. I think you're right at the end of the day. I think it is to be that kind of Euro political connector to ensure the funds keep flowing to

Ukraine. She's obviously well connected with her background, both in politics, but also before politics, with that kind of crowd that, you know, I hate to say the WEF crowd, but definitely that kind of international monetary area of expertise that she brings, because I'll tell you what she doesn't bring to the table. And that is a good relationship whatsoever with the United States. You know, if you think back to her last couple years, certainly her last couple months in office with Justin Trudeau, the president of the United States would regularly single her

out as somebody. I think you often refer to her as being nasty. Yeah. That's somebody, Zelensky's now tapped to be one of his senior advisor, senior AIDS. And I think when we look at, you know, how this war is probably going to eventually come to a close, it's going to require some U.S. involvement in some capacity, just their military strength will dictate the end of this at some point. And I thought it was a very interesting choice because he's clearly hedging his bets on Europe continuing to support Ukraine while putting in charge somebody that

the president personally really disliked. So I guess what you're saying is she's probably not going to be showing up when the next time Zelenska goes to the White House. Okay. I don't think she's She's going to Mar-a-Lago anytime soon. But what women Trump likes? Women who agrees with him? That's the point that makes Krisha Freeland sympathetic for me. You know, Trump doesn't like her. Why? Why was that?

But her job as a Canadian politician, I won't miss her. I want me sorry. But, you know, Jean-Cretien is in China with the demarret. Christian Freeland is in Ukraine with Zelensky. Everything's fine in politics in Canada. Well, listen, I want to, Benoit, I want you your take on this one next. The liberal gun buyback program. They already spent millions of dollars.

We're doing a pilot project before they roll it out across the country. They were hoping to get at least 200 guns in Nova Scotia. they expected out of a total of 2000. They got 25. They got 25. And so, of course, I have no doubt that they're going to view this as a huge success and roll it out across the country. But, but, Benoit, you know, Quebec has a very unfortunate position in this entire debate because of the massacre at the Polytechnique years ago. It's my opinion that the liberals trot out the ghost of that massacre every time they want to take people's guns away, but they don't actually make the country any sense.

safer? Well, I wouldn't say that, Ben. You know, there was this guy in 1989 who killed 14 young students, women. And it marked Quebec. We don't like guns. But you know that after Ontario, it's Quebec that comes in the second place across Canada for the most licenses to own a gun. I thought Alberta would be first, but we're second and Alberta is third.

So what's the problem with the guns, the gun culture? I check in 2022 there were 34 murders with hunting rifles. In 2024, there was 39. So what's the real problem? Is it the hunting rifle or the handguns? If it's the end guns, can you send all this money through police works? In Acuasnei, in Kanisataki, that's where guns come in Canada. And stop with the politically correctness.

That's all bullshit. We don't need that. If you want to deal with guns, it's end guns. It's end guns that are used by gang members. And that's where you should stop the incoming of all these end guns. Chris, your opinion. And if we run out of time, you'll pick it up on the other side of the break. for sure, Ben, I think you nailed it, you know, on the head.

It's the truth is the liberals will trot out past tragedies. And if the past tragedies don't work, we know what the next part of the playbook is. And that's just say that, you know, the conservatives are going to come into power and undo all the gun laws that they've brought into force over the time they've been in office. So of course, this buyback was never going to work. Never, ever, ever were lawful gun owners going to give this back for the cash. But that was never the intent. I don't actually believe that was ever the intent of the. this political stunt that the liberals have done.

It's just, it's good wedge politics for their voter base talking about guns and taking them out of the hands of citizens, even though these are not the weapons to Benoit's point. These are not the weapons that are actually causing the shootings on our streets. There are illegal guns coming illegally across the border into gang members' hands. But that's not, that was never the point. And that's what I don't like, Benoit and Chris, I don't like that the specter of those deaths at the hands,

at the Ecole Polytechnique is constantly being used for, political reasons. And if these laws made us safer, I would be all for them. I'm not seeing that in my reporting of death after death after death on the streets in Toronto, Vancouver, in Montreal. But we've got much, much more to get to, including all we're going to talk to Benoit about Quebec Francophones. They don't think Anglos to control their own school boards more when we come back. At Medcan, we know that life's greatest moments are built on a foundation of good health, from the big milestones to the quiet winds. That's why our annual health assessment offers a physician-led, full-body checkup that provides a clear picture of your health today

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Guys, welcome back. Thanks for sticking around. Chris, you got anything else you want to add on the gun buyback program? No, I think what I said, I stand by then. It's just, it's crass liberal politics. All right, well, let's move on. This is another topic that Benoit and I talked about on his show earlier today. And in the Montreal Gazette, there's a story about how, well, it looks like the Anglo's,

the Anglo school boards feel like their rights are being used. encroached on. They're making it the Quebec government just a second. That the Quebec government is making it harder for them to manage. They're going to make it twice in the same hour. One for freelance and one for,

oh, please. The Charter of Rights, the Charter of Rights recognizes that Anglo Minority has the right to educate its kids in English. Okay. So, and they're saying, let's get something straight.

Okay, get on. No, no. Montreal gets. should win a Nobel Prize for fear-mongering. They're always playing on fear, always playing the victims. You know what? There's no minority in Canada that's better treated than the Anglos in Quebec. Never.

Newspaper, radio, TV, schools, hospitals. What more do you want? They get everything. And you know what they say? They don't say the Montreal Gazette. It's the CAC, the government of Quebec. to abolish the school boards that were elected. Now they're the Sond-de-Serve-Solier.

So they're not elected anymore. They're appointed. They are appointed except for the English school board. They kept the way they did all the time. So why are they whining all the time? It's always the... Oh no, please. So let's find some good.

Let's find some group who need to be defended and who are discriminated against. But please, please, the Quebec bashing community groups network gets a lot of funding by the federal government. So please. I will concede to you that school boards of all stripes and all sorts of provinces are a thorn in the side for provincial governments. That is a tale as old as time in Ontario. They've got it for their own reasons. I'm sure that happens across the country as well. Heck, I know how crazy the school boards are in British Columbia that want to queer the natural world,

which is not something parents are probably looking forward to explaining to their kids. And so this seems to me like a specific thing to Quebec. But Chris, how do you see this one? You know, I'm a guy from Toronto, the center of the universe. Like, it's like me trying to navigate Quebec Franco-Ango-Angol politics is like me trying to speak Spanish. You know, like, yeah. I don't know. It's have fun.

You know, fight it out, guys. How many school boards are there in Toronto, in French school boards? Is there a French school board? Yeah, there's a French school board. There's a French school board. You have to search for them? No, no. They exist.

They exist. Is it a secret sector? Hey, one of the top private schools in Toronto's, Toronto French, you know, we've got a good community. But, Benoit fundamentally, and we spoke about it earlier, is if you recognize that, because there's lots of numbers in that, in that, there was a study and they pulled a whole bunch of people. And the numbers, to me, suggest that, well, they don't suggest it. We know it. If the French, if the Quebec people are a distinct society within Canada, then that means that they're, they're very, values, their worldview is distinct.

And which means they might not be the right people. We don't need to be. But they might not. We don't need to be told that. No, no, no. I'm not saying. We know that. I know that.

You know that. But what I'm saying is the conclusion that that leads to saying, if you have that different worldview, if you have those different values, then say the English minority, then perhaps the English minority would be best, the best people to run the education system. But they are, they are running their own thing. They're complaining for. nothing once again. You know what? And did you read the article in the Montreal Gazette? They wrote the study also found that many Francophones in Quebec perceive English and

anglophones as peripheral to the province identity, which only 17% of francophone saying they would back a political party demanding English language rights. Okay, now tell me this. How many Anglos voted for the Parts Quebec? I'm going to guess not too many. That's right. So you know what? They're always talking about problems and injustices and threats that don't happen. They sell newspaper that way. The Montreal Gazette are just whining all the time.

All right. Well, let's move on to south of the border. Let's move on to what happened in Minneapolis. We've been talking about the new dimension because of the new video that really does heavily. suggest that we weren't dealing with an innocent person who accidentally found herself in the wrong place at the wrong time

and a murderous ICE agent decided to just off her. And instead it looks like it was far more, far different from that. But the question I have for you, Chris, is is the U.S. headed towards another crisis similar to George Floyd? And what on God's green earth do we have to do in Canada to stop it from coming here?

great great question ben i i don't think so it doesn't seem to be just as as charged for whatever reason as as the george floyd incident i think there was probably something to do with just everything we were going through as a society at the time with the george floyd incident that's just it riled it up that differently we you know this feels to me and i hate to say this but this feels to me something we're going to forget about in a week or two's time maybe i'm wrong uh it just feels like a new cycle issue that's going to move on and we'll be talking about something else at the end of the month. Listen, I want to think.

Yeah, go ahead. Do I think it can find its way across the border? Probably not because, you know, do I think, you know, some, some left-leaning activists will try to cling to it and try to make it an issue here in Canada? Yeah, absolutely. Like, there's no question. We're actively deporting people who've overstayed their welcome here in Canada and cracking down on immigration here in Canada.

Do we have ICE agents walking through the streets of Toronto, you know, in militarized gear, booting people out and arresting them, left, right, and center? No, we don't. So I don't see it translating the same way here, certainly the same way the Black Lives Matter movement did with George Floyd to the point where, you know, I remember it like it was yesterday. I was boarding up every storefront on Bloor Street and Young Street because people decided at the time that it was, you know, Toronto was not a safe place to be because they were fearing rioters.

So I don't think that's going to translate the same way, Ben. Maybe I'm wrong. Yeah. It just does not feel like it has the same spark to it that the George Floyd movement. I hope so. I mean, listen, as I told Benoit earlier today, Look, we have enough issues here that we have not resolved. I don't think that we need to be importing other people's problems.

I don't see, and I don't see Americans feeling bad and dealing with our residential school issue. They know that's our problem to deal with. That's our skeleton in the closet. But that didn't stop them from bringing the problems of America to Canada. But I have to remind you all that Jacob Frye, the mayor of Minneapolis, was the one who went crying. sobbing and apologizing for George Floyd's death. And, you know, George Floyd was a criminal.

The images were awful. This was what you call a police blunder with this woman who got killed. George Floyd, it was unacceptable that a citizen died the way he did by the police. But you have to put things in perspective. In Montreal, in 2024, there was 21 cases of police officers that were armed. They were attacked by car. So there's something that's real across all the big cities across the United States and Canada. So this is a reality that people don't want to obey the police officers and they use their car to drive over them.

Yeah. And I don't know what it is. Like, you know, people look at me and they look at people like Chris and they think that we are, you know, we've got privilege in life. If a cop tells me to do anything, I'm doing that thing. I will. I'm shutting my mouth so quick. I'm shutting my mouth. I put my hands in the air. I don't understand the people who refuse a lawful order by a police officer. It doesn't make any sense to me.

But look, gentlemen, I want to thank you so much. This was a great explosive panel full of tears of RIP, RIP to the. career of Christopher Lund and good luck in whatever you do next. Benoit, merci. Chris, thanks so much. We'll talk to you soon. Bye, bye, bye, hi. Thanks, guys.

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