The Ben Mulroney Show - A quarter cow Christmas gift? And why the crime stats are misleading

Episode Date: December 23, 2025

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by giving your team a tax research tool they'll actually want to use. Get better answers to tough questions. BlueJ, AI for tax experts. Welcome back to the, welcome, why welcome back. Welcome to the Ben Mulroney show. Thank you so much for spending a little bit of the day with us. It is the 23rd, the day before Christmas Eve, December 23rd, 2025. It's a Tuesday. I woke up today to just a mess on the roads. I've been told it's an Alberta clipper. Yeah, I've been told it's an Alberta clipper, which means, I guess what it means is in comes the, the wet and the heavy snow. And then following their after, is warm, very warm air. So that's what we can expect here. Did it arrive via pipeline?

Oh, no, we don't know that. That's the carbon footprint of something like that would be too too much. I want to thank my brother Nick and his wife, Katie, for hosting us last night at his house for an incredible meal and a secret Santa. So there's 16 grandkids. 16 of us. No, of us, of them. 16 of them. Do you remember all the names?

Oh, yeah. Yeah, I need name tags. Yeah, no, no. But they range in age from, I think, like 20, I think. 20 down to three and two, I think. But anyway, like, but they're thick as thieves. And so we do two. We do one for, we do one for the kids and one for the adults.

And it was really, really well done yesterday. It was so much fun. But watching the kids, like watching all the cousins have these moments where they get as excited about being the, like the Secret Santa, getting excited about giving. a gift is really cool to teach at that age, right? Giving a gift as opposed to just receiving it, watching the little kids as, because you get the

gift, and then each kid gets two kicks at the can to guess who gave them the gift and then the Secret Santa reveals himself or herself. And it was just such a wonderful thing to see. And Nick and Katie hosted a great, great, fantastic dinner, and it was wonderful. So thank you very much, Nick

and Katie. It was a wonderful... I don't remember getting an invite, but that's okay. My feelings aren't Mulruni. Ah, come on. You are part of the Mulroney show. So we could do Secret Santa here. It would just be you, me, and Amy. And Joy, if you wanted to participate.

Anyway, it was a lot of fun, and I hope everyone is kicking off their Christmas season in any way that means something to them. Josh Allen of the Buffalo Bills, as well as his wife, Haley Steinfeld, whom I interviewed when she was nominated for her first Oscar. Back in the day. Yes. apparently they know how to give a good gift he's not he's not the secret Santa because he's the alpha right like there's a tradition in the NFL where at Christmas the quarterback who obviously makes a heck of a lot more than his

offensive lineman he makes some north of 50 million right something like that and so but but typically typically that as a way to say thank you as a way to say thank you for your off to your offensive linemen who protect you over the course of the season if they've done their jobs The QB opens up his wallet. It tries to get something really cool. Yeah.

So they, so Josh Allen and Haley Steinfeld gave each of the offensive lineman a quarter cow. A quarter cow, I know. A quarter cow. Who thinks about that? Well, it's a thing, right? You can buy your own cow and it can sit at a butcher and you will just be able to bit by bit enjoy your cow. Have you seen the size of these offensive linemen? He could have gifted them a full cow

And it would have been gone by Easter Yeah, oh yeah Oh no These zoos are big A lot of meat on a cow man A lot of meat on a cow man A lot of meat on those offensive linemen And also, you know, way to go Josh Allen

Bill's Mafia There you go You and you, okay Yeah, Buffalo Bills! Yeah but just, okay Listen, I'm very excited for Bill's fans Very excited for Bill's fans Very excited for Bill's fans

But maybe you wait a little while Maybe you wait just a lot No, no, no, we don't do that No, you don't wait, you don't wait You don't wait, you don't wait when you're a fan of Toronto sports teams or Buffalo sports teams. I gotcha. You just don't. All right. Well, Patrick Mahomes

of the Kansas City Chiefs, he gave his offensive lineman Ublo watches. I think he was showing off here. Some of those models valued it over $40,000. He also gifted a full swing kit indoor golf simulator. That's $4,000. Additional

gifts were Beats Studio Pro headphones. Those were kind of cheap at 180, relatively cheap. Oakley Meta, Smart. sunglasses with custom cases with players jerseys numbers on them and each teammate got a Ramoah

aluminum suitcase about 1,500 bucks as well as an electric bike and that one's about 1700 bucks so the reason I put this in he's Oprah yeah yeah yeah but the hears is you know the QB the guy who's running the show gets you know the people

who make it happen for him like these amazing gifts so what joy and I are wondering As we sit here, as we help usher in the show onto the airwaves and put it together. You know where it's going, right? Yes. Joy was pressuring me on this, asking me about this. Have you seen the core stock price?

No, no, no. Have you seen my face? Do you think I can pressure him by any chance? Listen, as much as you think I'm the QB here, no, no, no, no. Our boss, Mike Ben Dixon is the QB. Yeah. Don't look at me. Don't look at me.

I'm the backup. Ben is passing it on to you? Yeah, so Mike Ben Dixon, like, where's our Ramoa? Where's my quarter cow, Mike? What a quarter cow. If he came up with a quarter cow today, that'd be legendary. If he showed up and gave me a quarter cow, I promise you, I would genuinely love that. Oh, that would be so good.

Where'd you put it? No, you don't keep it at home. If you're buying a quarter cow, you're keeping it with a guy who's going to butcher it for you and send over the stuff you need. That's already pre-butchered. You have to freeze it, you know? No, in some cases, you get to pick your cow. All right. Yeah.

Meanwhile, let's go down to Mexico where we've heard this before, right? You've heard before how gangs in cities, like in New York, whether it be the mafia or it be, you know, street gangs, they maintain a link to that community by being outwardly charitable every now and then, like giving out turkeys at American Thanksgiving or that sort of. the thing, right? Or presents at Christmas, right? Never mind the fact that over the course of the year, they're slinging drugs on the street and, you know, bringing a lot of the kids into a life of crime or, you know, blowing up a neighbor. Like, never mind any of that stuff. It's this outward charitable thing that sometimes works, right? Well, in Mexico, the members of Los Tilacos, it's a cartel. It's called Cartel de la Sierra. They held a Christmas parade in the town called Guerrero. Not Guerrero Jr.

No, the gunman had decorated vehicles and they're throwing candy and it is just, it's, it's so festive. It's super, super festive. It's super, super festive. But when you think about what they're doing when they're not throwing candy, you realize they still have a lot of work to do in Mexico in terms of China. They're the quarterbacks of that town. In a lot of cases, in a lot of cases, they really are. They have hardened their position in a lot of those towns. They own those towns.

They own entire regions of Mexico. And this is one of the things that we have to have to be careful of when you start thinking about trade with Mexico. The Mexican government does not control that entire country. No, they do not. They do not. Hey, before we go to break, we want to talk about Jake Paul a little bit. Because we talked about with Ariel Helwani yesterday who called the fight on Netflix. Jake Paul is the boxer. He's the boxer slash promoter, former YouTuber who has reinvented himself as well.

one of the most influential people in that sport. And, um, okay, he, he, he's fought a bunch of, no, no, I'm not talking about, I'm not talking like, no, no, I'm talking about, no, I'm talking about, uh, sort of more generally in boxing. Yes. He has, he has built up his, uh, his, uh, his boxing, uh, promotion company to be one of the most impressive. Right now, if I had to guess, if I had to guess, he's going to box maybe a handful more times. Because his goal is long-term success as a promoter. Boxing is going to, is going to, is going to, is going to,

He wants to show people that it matters to him. And if you look at the picture of his face, because when he, listen, when he got knocked out by Anthony Joshua. Who was huge. They looked like, they didn't even look like they were from the same species.

No. They were, they were like one dude was way, way, way large. He broke his jaw. But I have to believe that the adrenaline was so, was pumping in his, in his veins so strongly. He didn't feel that for a while.

If you see the picture of him now in his, In his hospital room, his face looks completely mangled. He also looks doped out of his mind. The video shows how it's wired shut, the entire jaw, because it broke in two spots. Yeah. You got hit so hard. They say he's going to have to have surgery. Yeah, well, it's wired shut now.

And the amount of work he's going to have to do to recover is impressive. But look, he got into the ring with one of the greatest boxers of his generation. Olympic gold medalist. He was a champion at one point. And he hits like a ton of bricks. So I just hope Jake Paul's intention was not to eat a big Christmas meal because unless he's going to drink it as a smoothie. No, he sees it's a blender.

That's it. Hey, coming up. Police say the narrative around crime is fueled by social media amplification. Is it? Is it? Let's take a quick look at the headlines. Welcome back to the Ben Mulroney show, and we want to talk about crime because we're living in Canada and it feels like it is an omnipresent conversation and it's an important one to have and it feels like how you address it and how you, you know, what you're paying attention to, what metrics you pay attention to could determine how we get our way out of this or not. and one of the voices, especially in the GTA that has been so important in highlighting

certain types of crime has been our good friend Sondren from his life with Sondren. It's on Twitter. It's on Instagram. I think he's probably on TikTok too. And he's been following and highlighting a number of, he's really been the face of like smash and grabs as well as home invasions. And he pointed out, he brought out, a crime, a home invasion, the likes of which he says he's never seen before, which means most of us have never seen before. Let's listen to how these two criminals crawled on the floor to avoid motion detectors. This is one of the craziest home invasion videos I've ever seen.

The family sent me this video. Two criminals came in from the backyard. They broke the glass and the double glass sliding doors. They sit here in the kitchen. They go full crone across the house to avoid the motion. to avoid the motion detectors that the homeowner put in place. These two criminals are about to steal over $200,000 worth of gold, watches, jewelry, and carpets. Look at this.

If you got time to steal carpets, apparently 25 minutes for the cops to arrive? Yeah. Yeah. And they're crawling on the ground. Like it's some mission impossible thing. They get to the stairs and they slither down the stairs like snakes to shut off the power to the house. And then, look, this is the time of year where we expect, but we hope we're not going to see, but fully expect, to see brazen, smash and grabs at jewelry stores across the TV. There's so many people in the malls, right?

But specifically in the malls, right? We saw them this time last year, and we see them regularly over the course of the year. But given that it's Christmas, you're just expecting to see them. And there was one in Barry at the Charm Diamond Center jewelry store. at the Georgian Mall and Barry on Friday. We've, almost all of us have seen this by now. This was so brazen. Security guard tried to intervene.

He was pepper sprayed. These guys are coming up armed now. They're prepared for this sort of thing. And there's a man, poor guy, he can be seen elderly men trying to beat these guys with a cane. I don't think he had much effect. All five of them were taken into custody. Eventually. Eventually.

Now, here's the thing. one of the suspects 14 year old male from Toronto he was detained at the scene by an off-duty police officer arrested immediately four other suspects fled in a stolen vehicle from Toronto all the other suspects were arrested here are their ages 14 15 15 and 17 let me say that again so of all of them they're the ages go 14 14 15 15 and 17 years old

and does this surprise you no this has been a trend that we have been watching and calling out for months. The charges include robbery with violence, assault with a weapon, administering a noxious substance, weapons offenses, disguised with intent, mischief over 5,000, possession of stolen property over 5,000. May I? Yeah. Blah, blah, blah.

It doesn't matter what they're charged with. It doesn't matter. Yes, because the Youth Criminal Justice Act dictates that because they're under 18, they're going to be treated with kid gloves. Yeah. And so, you know, we heard on the news that crime is getting better, that murder in the city of Toronto. And by the way, the one kid, the 17-year-old's out on bail already. Yeah.

The other ones that's pending. Of course. But, of course, you know, they're all going to get out. And, you know, we want to just throw a little cold water on that. Well, I'm not here to tell you that the sky is falling and you shouldn't feel safe. And yes, if fewer people have died since the 90s in murder in this city, that's a great metric. It's not the whole story. And, you know, you and I, Mike, were going back and forth.

The fact is, if you, for all, by all intents and purposes, decriminalize every drug, that means that what used to be considered a crime isn't a crime anymore. If you're not arresting anybody for drug possession anymore, that number's going to go down. Now, does that mean that drug use has gone down? Walk around the streets of this city, you tell me. And- What about all the smashing grabs, like the liquor store robberies, all the robberies of stores? How many times have we watched somebody just?

just walk out of a liquor store, of an LCBO, and nobody does anything, it's a crime. But that's not, that's on numbers. Are they getting arrested? No. So is that number going to get reported? No. So is that, is, is, is retail theft? Do you think that number is accurate when you're told what the number of retail thefts is?

Probably not. And, and of course, when you've got these Youth Criminal Justice Act kids, in a lot of cases, they're going to get pled down to something lesser. So it's not technically going to be a crime. It'll be a misdemeanor, right? Yep. So do you honestly think that the numbers that are reported, given what we just said, and we spent 10 minutes thinking about this.

If we wanted to, we could pour over this stuff and bring an expert in to tell you why the numbers that you're hearing are severely deflated. And then you've just got the anecdotal stuff. Walk around the streets of Toronto. Ask your friends. Almost everybody knows somebody who's been affected by crime today. If your car wasn't stolen or your friend's car wasn't stolen And by the way, also one of the reasons that the numbers are going down

is because individual citizens are hardening their homes. Like we are taking steps ourselves, putting ballards in front of our cars and adding security to the houses so that we can avoid this stuff because we don't feel that the city and the province and the government are doing what they need to do to keep us safe. So let me ask you this then. So if you hear that the homicides is a 50-year low, we're at 38 killings, so you go, okay, that's good, right? I mean, that's a positive thing.

So are you buoyed by that number, or are you dismayed by the fact that of those, there are 13 young people who are charged in connection with homicide investigations this year? 13. And we're going to have a conversation later about the Youth Criminal Justice Act and the need to fix it up. because that like we were promised a lot of stuff by this liberal government I really thought at the very least the first thing they would do

because it requires a change to legislation they know that it's a winner they would get so many votes that they otherwise would have had to fight for with the conservatives they could have been the liberal government could have owned

making our streets safer even though they're partially responsible for making them unsafe but they could have won that one Right? By doing something on this file immediately, we are going into 2026 with not a single comma changed in the Youth Criminal Justice Act. Not one. So the worry is, is that you see other cities and you see where they are. And the worry is that we will become them. I mean, to talk about what's going on in Europe, we go, Canada could become the UK and stuff. Okay, sure. That's not we're talking about now. We're talking about cities. Yeah. And if we don't get a hold of what's happening, you know, we were talking about malls specifically just a few minutes ago.

don't get a hold of the situation in our malls. I mean, we could look like this one mall in San Francisco. The Westfield Mall is the biggest mall in San Francisco. It's one and a half million square feet of retail space. And it's at 93% of its storefronts are empty. It is a ghost town. It is going to be, I promise you, within a few years, they're going to be shooting movies in there about the apocalypse. Oh, yeah. It's a great spot for it. It would be a great spot for that. It's only a matter of time before something like that happens here where retailers who already operate on very fine margins say themselves, the risk is too great and it doesn't feel like the laws are keeping up to protect us, the engine of the economy. No, instead we want to make

sure that we protect these kids who have run afoul of the law and they've met the wrong people and now they are in it, they are in it to destroy us. So rather than sit here and wait for the inevitable of a bunch of young kids coming in to smash and grab and take everything we got, we're just going to decamp to somewhere else. And next thing, you know, no more Yorkdale, no more Eaton Center, you name it.

A bunch of these places will just be gone. What happens to the community? What happens to the area around that place when the mall goes away, that anchor, the anchor of life in that area? And, you know, malls are not what they used to be, but they're certainly still significant. and I don't know why we don't look at places like San Francisco and say

that could be us. I think it's because we here think we're smarter than them and we've got to we've got to like break from that terrible perspective. All right, we want to hear from you on this. Do you think we're on track to become another San Francisco or is it just paranoia? Welcome back and quick follow up to a story that we were talking about early on in the show where we suggested that our boss Mike Ben Dixon should give us each a quarter cow as a bonus for a job well done.

He came downstairs with a printed copy of a cow that was emblazoned with the words Ben Mulroney show and he cut it into four quarters and handed it each a quarter of the paper. Which quarter did you get? I got the hind legs. Actually, I probably got the good part. Yeah, you got the utter. I've got the front. I got the front legs and the...

I don't know what your... Chess, I don't know what that part is. What did you get, Joy? You got the tail. I got the tail. Yeah. What is he saying about that? Amy got the head.

I don't know what she's going to do with the head. I mean, beef tongue's very good. But, yeah. I don't know. Well, well done. I mean, technically, I've got the tail. Like, ox tail is very good. Okay.

Look, though, it's well done because we didn't specify actual beef. Yeah. So he, that's a win. That is a win. Well done, Mike Bendix. We have to learn from that. Yes, we do. He's the master.

Okay, so listen, we were just talking and we are going to talk to you, open the phone lines at 416870-6400 or 1-3-2-5 talk. We want to let you know, like, are we on a better path? We heard numbers yesterday that the murder rate is down. But we sort of gave you some examples as to why we think that the numbers themselves don't paint an accurate depiction of what's actually going on. out there. And during the break, we found out that 17 hours ago in Yorkville on Yorkville Avenue in the heart of the most, I hate this expression, but people use it the most tony area of town, Oliver Jewelers, there was a massive smash and grab where I don't know how they, the window exploded outward. And it looks like thieves had their way with the place. Now, if that's

happening there in what a lot of people believe is a very privileged part of town, then it's happening everywhere. There are cameras everywhere. People want to live there for a lot of reasons, not the least of which is it's a nice, clean, safe area town. And that's where a lot of people do their shopping. And you've got the rents that prove it. So if it's happening in Yorkville, it's happening everywhere. So don't tell me that I should feel better today because fewer people have been murdered than have been murdered since the 90s. That's not a number that makes me feel safer. In fact, when I hear that, I think somebody is trying to take my eye off the prize. That's what I think. But I want to hear from you, 416-870-6400 or 1-3-225 talk. Do we risk following other

cities into, you know, Thunderdome, or am I being paranoid? Let's start with Ian. Ian, welcome to the show. Hey, Ben. Thanks for taking my call. Absolutely. Merry Christmas. Yeah, I do a lot of work in a lot of the big malls.

You mentioned a few of them. And back when I was a teenager, early 20s, Scarborough Parenthood Center used to have a lot of problems with gangs on Tuesday nights with the cinemas. They put a police station in, and that kind of disappeared almost immediately. Really? Yes. Yeah. At their view, they had one line.

It doesn't solve every problem, but it does solve the gangs thinking they can just show up. Now, you know, these are massive entities that make tons of money that are generally owned by pension plans, and they think about the future. They should just start, you know, tell the police, okay, we need four police officers and six auxiliary officers. Because auxiliary officers, well, they're not fully armed and they're not full police officers do have bigger powers of arrest than a security guard does. You know what? You're not wrong. If the malls start offering free real estate for the police to set up in the malls, that could be a heck of a thing. thing.

Yeah. Imagine walking in with your gang and going, oh, there's four

police officers here fully armed. I already saw three other auxiliary guys. But I'll tell you the problem, Ian, it'd be

great to have cops there. There would be quicker arrests, but the problem is the risk profile of these crimes wouldn't

change because these kids who are subject to the Youth Criminal Justice Act are going to be let off with a slap on the risk because we don't

want their future to be defined by this, even though left to their own devices, these kids would probably want their future to be defined by successful crime. And so the problem is that next iteration, that next kid, that next group of kids who've gone down the wrong path, they're going to look at it and say, you know what? Those guys stole a million dollars with a stuff. They got arrested, but they were back on the streets in two, three weeks. And they didn't, nothing happened to them, which means I can do that. And that's the problem. We have to change the risk profile of these crimes.

I want to thank you for your call, my friend, and have a merry, merry Christmas. Time for Joe. Joe, welcome the show. Good morning, Ben. As I was saying to your screener, I just think this is an anomaly, and it does happen with murder,

where you have the murder rate being so much, and then for whatever reasons that, and it's nothing to do with law enforcement, the murder rate goes down. So because it's an anomaly, nothing's really changed. The other crime has gone up. You know, if you're looking at car thefts, that is incredibly high still compared to, let's say, five years ago. You've got gangs that are going out there, stealing cars.

It's like organized crime has gone through the roof. So I still think we need major reform in terms of bail, in terms of time spent in jail for doing. serious crime. I mean, look at the guy that got charged with terrorism. Yeah. He got bail. Yeah. And what, but nothing's changed. Yeah, and look, you know, I want to know about, I want to know what, what happened with,

like, what was the attempted murder rate? Right. You're giving me the rate of people who died at the hands of a someone with a gun. Okay, what about those who were shot and survived? I'd like to know that number. Absolutely. And we heard that story about those. Yeah, we heard that, that story of the three men who were patrolling the streets looking for Jewish women. women, twice, one of the guys was there with a gun.

Okay, so give me a rate of crimes perpetrated with people who had guns. Because not everything's going to end in somebody dying. Not everything's going to end with somebody being shot. But every single one of them, I'd like to know how many crimes were committed when somebody had a firearm. And I also like to know how many of those were legal guns. Because I suspect the vast, vast, vast majority of them are illegal guns. and yet we have leaders in Ottawa

who keep coming after legal guns as if that solves the problem. Anyway, thank you very much for the call, my friend. I appreciate it. We had a listener point out that the Georgian mall theft happened right next to the Santa photo setup. Oh, are you kidding me?

But that's how brazen they are. That's how confident they are in what they can do. There's literally someone with a camera there who could turn around and take pictures of them and they don't care. It wasn't San Jose's doing this time. But you know, like what I'd love is just a blitz of malls in this, across this province.

And you set cops up in strategic places. And when you see a kid show up with a mask on, you either tell him to leave or you follow him. And then you arrest him when he does something wrong. Because there is no reason after the pandemic to allow anybody into a public space wearing a mask. None. None. And if you find somebody, you can ask them. And if they say, if it's an old bitty who says,

I'm not feeling well and I'm congested and I need to do my Christmas shopping and I'm wearing a mask because I don't want to get sick, you can let her go. But if you see six kids showing up in black hoodies, all looking like they bought them all at the same place because it looks like a uniform. It looks like a uniform, a standard operating uniform to commit a smash and grab. Black hoodie, black shoes, black everything, and a face mask. right? So if you see more than one of those

showing up, I'm pretty sure you can ask them why you're here. And can I see your face, sir? And I'd like to stare right up there. That's the camera. Okay, now we have your face. Off you go. Go do what you're going to do. If I see you put your mask back on and we kick you out of here. Why can't we do that? Because civil liberties and people That's not civil liberties. It's against... People say that they are being targeted for how they're dressed or how they are,

whatever it is. This is not dressed. This is, this is, this is concealment of your identity. When you're out in public, you have no expectation of privacy. That's the rule. That's the law. You cannot conceal your identity, especially when you go into a public place like a mall. I think that's a law. If I had a business, like, if I had a jewelry

store, say downtown, I wouldn't let anybody in the store who had a hoodie on, even just up and you can see the face partially. No, you have to take it down. Take off your glasses. You have to be able to identify yourself. All right. Well, listen, the worst argument that we have seen on a plane in a long

time. This is all captured on social media. Apparently it's 100% real. It's totally worth hearing. Don't go anywhere. Let's take a look at the roads with 640 Toronto Big Trouble traffic. The big trouble now on the highways, the 401 Eastbound Express at the 400 of vehicle fire. Welcome back to the Ben Mulroney show. And during the break, sometimes what I like to do is I just like to scroll social media. Just see if there's something new that I haven't seen. I saw something for like maybe the 20th time that I've said to myself, I'm going to cook that.

I haven't cooked it yet. It's French onion soup pasta. Yeah. You essentially make all the ingredients from French onion soup. You turn it into a creamy sauce. Apparently it is the best friggin thing around. And I've promised myself I would make it. I love French onion soup.

Well, then so I'm going to make this. I don't know when because I've tried once and I failed at caramelizing the onions properly. So I'm going to make it. I promise you. And I will give you a full report when I ultimately do. But I've now seen it for maybe the 20th time. This is the algorithm telling me, get with it, Ben. Yeah, like we can only suggest it so many times.

So I'm going to make it and I will get back to you at some point. All right, we promise we talk about the most. I mean, there are certain fights you should have behind closed doors. Would you agree, Mike Droulet? I'm not talking to you right now. Of course, because we keep it private. We lock it up. Right?

We lock it up. Yeah, no, there are a lot of fights that should happen behind closed doors. But there was a woman who pulled out her phone and right behind her on the plane were a husband and wife, appears to be a husband and wife, fighting. And they're not even sitting next to each other because between them, I think you can make out an attractive younger woman. and I think the way the fight started was he was a little too polite with her maybe a little too flirty with the girl next to him like clearly he looks like he's in his mid-50s

maybe even older the wife looks the same and this girl looks like she's in her 20s like I don't think anything was going to happen but the wife didn't take too kindly to the husband being this friendly so let's listen by the way this goes on for a while and just when you think the camera's going to turn off

it keeps going So we're going to let you listen to as much as we possibly can. Is there a reason why you did this? Why just to yell? Did people that play? Don't stop. Let's consider it like that. I'm asking you why you would do something like this intentionally.

I feel it was intentional. Oh, now I did intention. Yeah, it seems like it's intentional. Why? Because she's pretty? Huh? What does I have to do with the name? No, that's what you're talking about.

I didn't even notice that she was pretty and oh, you did? Somehow you just noticed she was pretty? Somehow you just noticed she was pretty? Well, you're not pretty anymore. Because you let yourself go. Okay, so now you're insulting me. Yeah, I am. Because you insulted me.

You're such a piece of . Now a piece of s' what you are. Piece of what you are. Yeah. Are you looking at a picture? You guys keep it down, I'm trying to say. Shut up. Why don't you go and sit somewhere?

I'm calling this to reason. Fine. You want to sit somewhere? You know what? You know what? And you know what? As soon as you get there, get your own freaking hotel. You know what?

I already did that anyway. And I still love you, no matter what, okay? I don't care if you love me. I don't have any feelings for you anymore, right? You don't. You know how that he feels? I don't. You know what?

Take the vacation yourself, okay? I'm glad we waited two years to take the vacation. And now look at you. Yeah. Okay. You're not appreciative. I spent all my time getting this. I mean, why don't you?

Lower your voice. You're lucky we even got on this plane. Lower your voice. Lower your voice, Albert. Oh, Albert. Albert. Yeah, because Albert, Albert was the one who turned it up to 11. Poor Albert.

And look, I don't know, I don't know anything about these people's relationship. But if I had to guess, He was probably being flirty, right? Or just being nice. Or just being nice. Look, I'm not here to just take the guy's side. But I think we've all seen things like this before. And I don't believe the man started out trying to make a scene.

I believe the scene started when the wife probably dialed stuff up to 11 because she didn't like what she was seeing next to her. I don't think there was anything he could have said. to bring this one down from the 11. Yeah, his wife started pretty out. No, no, no, no, he tried. He tried. At one point, he said, and no matter what, I'll always love you,

and she was having none of it. I have no feelings for you. Like, he tried. He tried, now, granted, he also told her that she was ugly and had really let herself go. That's, that's, Albert, Albert, there are certain things that when you're in the middle of a fight, it was someone you love, that you think I could say this.

But then you have to ask yourself, what do I believe the response will be? And then you ask yourself, is it worth it for me to say it? You know in the movie Terminator, when Arnold Schwarzenegger, he's thinking about, somebody says that I'm doing, and he's thinking about the response and the computer inside and you can see the various options to respond? I always think about that. And I go, no, no. But here's the thing, man, you're on a plane.

You're on an airtight cylinder flying across the country. I don't know how long you have on that plane. you might be on that plane for seven hours. Maybe ask yourself, is this a fight I can have when I get off the plane? And I do love the one person. Hey, could you guys keep it down? And she just goes, shut up! That's the holidays, man.

Well, actually, it's interesting that we're talking about this now because later in the show, we've got a mindfulness expert who's going to be joining us about how you can avoid exactly that sort of aggravation, right? The pressure of the holidays can lead to all sorts of issues. It can lead to fights that you don't anticipate having. It can lead to bad moods and unhealthy behaviors. It can lead to all sorts of stuff. And so it can lead to fights on planes, right?

And so we're going to be talking to him a little bit later about things to keep in mind on how you can get through this time of the year with a healthy state of mind, with your relationships intact, and your mental health above water. And I'm told Mike Ben Dixon, our boss, was the one who suggested we speak to this guy because he met him and he said the guy's brilliant. Yeah. Guy by the name of Michael Apollo. But I don't even think Mr.

That can be his real name. You'll have to ask him. But I don't even believe Mr. Apollo would know the right thing to say in this situation. We'll bring that thing back up. We'll bring that back up. Or at least part of it. At least part. But yeah, just to remind, like, because I think the wife was on a hair trigger.

And I also think the husband was probably, he was done putting up with some stuff. Right. And he- No, let's blame the girl that's sitting in the middle. Oh, yeah. Shame on you for being pretty. Yes. Shame on.

Shame. Have you ever been in that situation on a plane where you've seen somebody get into fights like this? I get into yelling and screaming. No, I've been forced. I haven't seen, I haven't been on planes. I've seen, watch the videos, but I've never actually been on a plane with somebody who was so out of sorts that they were causing any sort of issues on in the air. I've been on planes where people have been very rude. Yeah, yeah.

Very rude, but yelling and screaming and stuff. Yeah. I mean, I've had, I've had a guy. talk, like try to tell my kid what to do on a plane, which I looked at him, so you don't talk to him, you talk to me. You got a problem. I will deal with it. I try to get, because I've tried to get my kids to be exceptionally respectful on planes. And if they, if they're not, I know it's by accident. I know my kids do not intend to be disrespectful because they know how important it is to be respectful on planes. And if somebody's got a problem with my kid, I want to

hear it from, from that person, because there's a very real chance. That person is just trying to be a bully to my kid. And, um, and so I've, I've told somebody. excuse me, don't talk to my kid, you talk to me. And then we'll figure it out. And if my kid did something wrong, I fix it. But I don't want anyone, I don't want anyone at school in my kid. I've had, I've had people get upset at me for reclining my seat. Yeah, they should be.

Okay, we've done this. The listeners don't want to hear about you and your six foot nine gargantuan body. I'm telling you, do not recline. You're going to get into a fight with me if you recline your seat in front of me. I'll be there for it. Oh, yeah. We'll see, we'll see how that goes there. And I'll, you know what I'll do? And I'll look at the flight attendant and I'll say, hi, I'm radio host Ben Mulroney. I've got this mutant behind me who doesn't seem to want to let

me exercise the right that I paid for to recline my seat. Now, and I will say I'm triggered by the word mutant. I'm more than happy to move to business class to escape any sort of back and forth. I'll leave that to your discretion. Or you might want to move him to the bathroom where he belongs. And then I'll, and I'll just say, by the way, uh, nepo baby. Oh, nepo baby. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then I'll say, I'll say, privileged, oh my, oh my, oh my. Just take him out. Air Canada doesn't care if my money came from daddy or it came from me. All they know, yeah, all they know is now I've got a microphone. And depending on how this interaction goes, Air Canada, we could, uh, you could have a world of

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