The Ben Mulroney Show - A Vancouver street renamed yet few can say

Episode Date: June 19, 2025

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Welcome back to the Ben Mulroney show and I'm at a crossroads in terms of this next story and what it means to me. We'll remember in 2014 at the G20 summit, Prime Minister Stephen Harper had looked at Vladimir Putin and said, get out of Ukraine. And there were a lot of us who thought, good, I'm glad he said what so many of us wished we could have said were we to ever stand in front of this man who was so aggressive towards a democratic neighbor. And I wish there were more people saying that to him today as he continues his barrage of military might

against Ukraine. And I like that. Practically speaking, do I think that changed anything in Vladimir Putin's mind? Clearly not. He's back at it again. Shady's back. And so, but sometimes you have to say something

even if you know it's not going to change anything. Sometimes you got to go on the record. And it was a point of pride for me as a Canadian to know that I had a leader who did that. And so at this year's G7 summit, our Prime Minister Mark Carney invited Prime Minister Modi of India to the summit in the hopes of, I think, getting our relationship back on track from the, pulling it out of the toilet that it's been in since Modi and Justin Trudeau couldn't see eye to eye. And since accusations that India, credible accusations that India had essentially invaded

our territorial sovereignty, found a Canadian citizen and killed him. And so, and there were people who said, the way that you project our values is to not invite the man to this summit. I understand that logic. I appreciate that logic. I understand why, why certain people from certain groups were very upset with the prime minister over this choice. But the end result of Modi and Carney coming together in Canon Asciss is that they both agreed to normalize diplomatic relations again, which means they're gonna start staffing up

their respective embassies and consular offices, making it a lot easier and safer for people to travel between those countries because they have people with whom they can check in if they have problems with their passports, if they get unfairly arrested or detained, if they get injured, the passports are stolen, any number of things.

Now we're gonna get back to a place where people can be more confident in traveling between countries. But the Prime Minister's office, when asked a very specific question, didn't say if Carney brought up the sick murders that happened in Canada to Prime Minister Modi. And again, that's why I go back to the beginning. I'm not quite sure how I feel about it. Part of me, a big part of me, right now feels I think he did the right thing. I think that he erred on the side of caution to get something that's pretty important for both countries,

to get our diplomatic relations back on track, and to go in hot and say, we know that your government authorized these murders. There will be none of that in the future. How dare you? This is our country. What would you do if we came into your country and did the same thing? I don't know if it gets us to normalize diplomatic relations. Maybe the point is get those normalized diplomatic relations going and then broach those subjects at a later date. I think that's where I'm settling on this. Like I said, I'm not going to be somebody who reflects reflexively knee-jerk opposes everything that Mark Carney does. And so in this case,

I think he probably did the right thing. And I could be wrong, but I think the relationship between India and Canada is better today than it was a week ago. And that's probably due to the tactic that Mark Carney adopted at the G7. How a country deals with immigration, illegal immigration, illegal immigrants, especially immigrants with criminal records. You look at Canada, you look at the United States,

it really does seem like it's a tale of two nations. And we know that as immigration customs and enforcement, ICE has been going around the United States, rounding people up to deport them back to their homelands. And when I say people, I mean illegal immigrants with criminal records. we've heard horror stories of, of innocent immigrants, some of whom are in the United States illegally who've been, uh, who've been scooped up in these raids. Uh, it's unfortunate, but it kind of is what it is. And if you're not supposed to be there, that's for the Americans

to figure out. But I don't know that that, I don't know that I have a problem with it necessarily. But we know that for practical reasons, these ICE, these ICE arrests are for some reason, not going to the farming communities. And it's not going into the hospitality space. Because without immigrants, illegal or otherwise, in the hospitality space, or the farming communities, we would not be able to farm and people could not go to hotels. That's that's just a fact. And so the president decided to err on the side of caution. And rather than go all in in those two places, he decided to let sleeping dogs

lie. However, one place where the president is has decided he is going to go find illegal immigrants is a racetrack in Louisiana. It was a large scale raid where 84 people who were unlawfully in the country were found at a Louisiana racetrack. And so ICE said on Tuesday that it raided the Delta Downs racetrack hotel and casino on Monday, alongside other agencies. And it occurred despite the administration's directive to pause arrests at farms, restaurants and hotels due to concerns, as I said, over economic enforcement. I said that they'd received intelligence that businesses operating at the racetrack employed unauthorized workers who are then targeted by the raid.

But a spokesperson for Delta Downs said that they're that they fully comply with federal labor laws. So if that's the case, does that mean 84 people who were legally in the United States were detained by ICE? Cause if so, that's an issue that needs to be resolved. And if we look at what's been going on in reaction to these ICE raids, we have seen protests that have morphed into flat out riots. I will not ever tell you that what's happening in Los Angeles is okay, and I will not lie to you, as some would do and call them protests. They are not protests.

I know what protests look like. I live with protests every day. I hate those protests, but I live with them and I recognize that they are by definition protests. Why do I know that? Because they're not burning stuff down. They're not breaking into homes. Although actually in certain cases, they are breaking windows, but by and large they are not attacking cops.

They are not attacking cops. They are not destroying property. And they are not, I mean, they're protesting. I don't know what else to say. What's happening in LA and other cities are pure riots. And the FBI is having no more of it. They are working in partnership with the IRS. They say they are gonna follow the money.

And whoever is funding these things is going to feel the brunt of the force of both the IRS and the FBI. The FBI and our federal partners will continue to investigate individuals and organizations who are knowingly funding and committing acts of violence against law enforcement, as well as the destruction of property. We are currently tracing money to determine who is providing funding for these riots. Funding crime doesn't just affect the criminals, it also disrupts entire communities. Each dollar funneled into illegal operations fuels violence, undermines law and order, and perpetuates fear.

Make no mistake, we will identify and disrupt financial networks supporting these criminal activities. Think before you act. I love this. I am not a fan of every decision of the Trump government. In fact, I oppose a lot of them vociferously, but come on, like, we can't pretend that there aren't some nefarious players

taking advantage of situations and funding, funneling money into these things to cause chaos. And I would like to see something similar in Canada, where when we see orchestrated events, like the takeover of universities, are you telling me that those were purely organic? Who is funding them?

Who's buying all those tents? Everyone shows up at the exact same tent, and that wasn't orchestrated by an organization. Follow the money and you will find the people responsible because those things were a lot of things but they certainly weren't natural or organic and they were orchestrated and designed with one goal in mind to sow chaos and cause weakness and division in Canada. Alright when we come back we're talking to Adam Zivow who's been on the ground in Tel Aviv during the bombings by Iran. That's coming up next on the Ben Mulroney Show. Welcome back to the Ben Mulroney Show.

Really appreciate you being with us right now and really appreciate our next guest joining us. I'm pretty sure that he is the first guest we've had on this very young Ben Mulroney Show, who has come to us immediately after being in a location that was under attack. He's done so in Ukraine, and he is currently in Israel just a few days ago in Tel Aviv as Iran was raining rockets down on that city with a deliberate attempt

to hurt, maim, and scare, and kill civilians. I'm talking obviously about Adam Zivo, director of the Canadian Center for Responsible Drug Policy. Adam, thank you so much for being here, and I'm glad to see that you're okay. I'm fine. Thank you for checking in,

and thank you for having me on the show again. So you were in Tel Aviv, but right now you're in Jerusalem, correct? Yeah, I just relocated to Jerusalem yesterday. I was in Tel Aviv on the first days of the bombings. So you were there on theiv, but right now you're in Jerusalem, correct? Yeah, I just relocated to Jerusalem yesterday. And Tel Aviv is the first day of the bombings. So you're there first day of the bombings. So give me a first person account. We always hear, like the expression built different is overused by Jim bros and tech bros and crypto bros. But the people of Israel are built different. built different by virtue of proximity to their enemies. And they're able to carry on with their lives in a way that I think a lot of us wouldn't in the face of danger.

But talk to me about what it is meant. What what what it was like being in a city that was actually under attack. Well, so we were all woken up at 3am by this emergency alert, which was different from the usual alerts given out during air raid sirens. So most Israelis have an app on their phone that sends an alert whenever there's an air raid siren. This was different. This is like an amber alert in Canada, where no matter what kind of apps you have, it goes to the front of your phone.

It's very loud. It's very blaring. Yeah. And so we were all woken up by it. And because there have been rumors for days before this that Israel was about to attack Iran, everyone knew exactly what had happened. There was no ambiguity about what kind of situation we were in. And so I got out of my Airbnb, I went to the staircase of the apartment that I was in, and everyone was talking about it. And I said, well, I guess we've attacked Iran. This has certainly changed things.

And then we went down to the bomb shelter in the basements of this building. And then after an hour, nothing happened. And so we left and then we went to sleep. The next day in the morning, I went to go report on the situation. I was walking throughout the streets of Tel Aviv. And I want to stress that right now

with the country is in an emergency situation. So right now, public gatherings are banned, businesses are closed, educational institutes are closed. And in that first morning, there was a lot of anxiety. I could barely see any pedestrians and the ones who were visible were for the most part, either gathering food and water for their shelters, or they were carrying around small pieces of luggage because they were relocating to towns or smaller cities outside of Tel Aviv that would be less likely to be bombed.

Or they were walking their dogs because the dog needs to be walked. And so at that point it was a little bit scary, but then there was some, there was some rumor that, you know,, 100 drones were coming towards Tel Aviv and people didn't know what to think about that. On my end, that wasn't particularly scary because 100 drones is like a Tuesday in Ukraine. Yeah, that 400 drones got sent over. And so Israel with its allies shot down all of those drones. So none of them reached Tel Aviv. And by the afternoon, people

were just on the cafes drinking coffee, eating food, enjoying the summer weather. And one person who I spoke with said he expected more. He expected her to retaliate more forcefully. So there's a big question mark about what's gonna happen. But eventually you chronicled that life returned to relative normal on the beaches, for example, of Tel Aviv and you got a lot of pushback from, you know, anti-Israel voices on social media saying that it was AI and it was faked. So you then went back the next day and did a live stream if I'm not mistaken. Exactly. Well, what happened is that I went and I was filming

around the city to show people how Israelis are resilient. They've been used to war for two years. It's nothing new to them. They have a, they have a sort of fatalistic attitude towards this. They say, you know what, this was inevitable. There was no way we could avoid war with Iran because Iran wants to wipe us off the face of the earth and it's pursuing nuclear weapons. So this was bound to happen. There was a major missile strike that hit the downtown of Tel Aviv. I think on Monday morning, it's hard to tell time sometimes because everything happens so fast here. And that actually landed around 850 meters away from where I was staying. It actually destroyed the first Airbnb that I stayed in about three weeks ago.

No, really? Wow. Yeah. And so that was a horrifying attack in the downtown center, right in the heart of Tel Aviv. It damaged three buildings significantly, shattered windows in about a hundred meter radius and storefronts were blown out. And obviously this is not something that happens often

because the Iron Dome is very effective. It's not often that you have downtown Tel Aviv blown up. But within a few hours, many of these cafes that had been significantly damaged by the explosion just reopened and they were operating without windows. And I hung out with people and interviewed them as they were playing board games, you know, just by the blast site. In fact, I actually interviewed a Canadian hockey player

who was staying in a building about 200 meters from the blast site. His apartment was completely wrecked. And I asked him, do you feel safe? And he said, yeah, I feel safe because the bomb shelters here are built really well. He was in the bomb shelter when the explosion happened. You know, the things around them were destroyed, but he was still safe. He was still safe. Yeah. It's a con. Yeah. Safety there has a different definition than safety here. And what makes you safe is different than what makes you safe there. What I have noticed, Adam, is those on the other side of the fence, those who are now coming to the defense of Iran, of all regimes, they are demonstrating textbook projection, meaning, you know,

and it happened to me when I took a picture at the walk with Israel here in Toronto, I was accused of using AI to show off 56,000 people proudly walking down the street in peace. Because their side uses misinformation, they will accuse people like me or people like you of using misinformation or lies or AI to tell their story. But it's not because that we're doing anything, it's because that's what they do.

And the same thing happens with the justification for why they're bombing downtown Tel Aviv doing anything it's because that's what they do and the same thing happens with the justification for why they're bombing downtown Tel Aviv because they show these made up graphics of f-35s in the parking lot of a Tel Aviv high-rise and they say oh they're hiding military equipment underneath that high-rise well no what you're doing you're projecting because that's what your proxy in Hamas has been doing for four years. And so they're demonstrating a level of projection, the likes of which I haven't seen in a very long time. They are so AI has been a huge factor in the information war around this conflict. So not only are we seeing a lot of AI generated images being used to misrepresent the realities on the ground.

So for example, you have, okay, there were images of Tel Aviv that show Tel Aviv completely destroyed like Gaza. All of that was AI, which was insane. And then I had people online from random parts of the world lecturing me about what it's like in Tel Aviv while I'm in Tel Aviv. They're like, oh, it's like a parking lot. It's like, no, it's like in Tel Aviv, while I'm in Tel Aviv. They're like, oh, it's like a parking lot. It's like, no, it's really not. There was a famous image where the pro-Iran accounts shared an image of a building that had the word Mossad on it, but Mossad was misspelled, and it was destroyed.

And they claimed that Iran had decapitated Israel's intelligence apparatus. That was AI as well. And so they use AI to lie about to further their narrative. And then they claim that actual footage that doesn't reflect well on them is AI. So it's really frustrating. But not all of these people are bad actors. Some of them are just dimwitted. Yeah. So I posted that video of people just chilling on the beach in

Tel Aviv. Many pro Iranian accounts asked Grok, which is the AI chat bot for Twitter, whether this was real or not. And AI chat bots don't have the capacity to ascertain the authenticity of recently published footage. Right? So Grok just made things up. It hallucinated as AI does. It told some people yes, told some people no, and then that ended up creating this narrative amongst some of these pro-Iran people that I was lying, that the Israelis are lying about being okay, they're lying about being resilient.

So the problem is not only is AI being used to create fake content, people are using AI to fact check, which is ridiculous. Yeah, absolutely. Hey, listen, I'm glad you're okay. I'm glad you're in Jerusalem, and I'm glad you're there reporting what you're seeing and hearing and talking to Israelis about. And I hope you come home safe, and I look forward to talking to you again soon, my friend.

Thank you very much. Thank you for having me. Welcome back to the Ben Mulrooney Show. And in an effort to further reconciliation with First Nations across this country, there are a lot of attempts to bridge divides, show respect and acknowledge the past and acknowledge the contributions of First Nations across the country. efforts are noble and right and righteous. And some of them, if I may be so bold, are silly. And in 2022, Vancouver City Council officially renamed a small street in Kitsilano, British Columbia. It was called Trutch Street.

And they renamed it Musqueam View Street. I think that's in honor of the Musqueam View Street. I think that's, and that's, I think in honor of the Musqueam First Nation, honorable, positive. I don't have a problem with that. And I don't think anybody should necessarily have a huge problem with it. However, they've gone, they've taken another step where now it is being spelled legally using an alphabet

that is not, well, it's not one that I know. And the name is even harder to pronounce. I mean, Muskegon view, it takes a little practice, but it's you get there. This one, I don't know how you get there even with a running start. And so to discuss this, we're joined by Vancouver Sun columnist, Dan Fumano.

Dan, welcome to the show. Thanks for having me. So can you pronounce this new version of formerly Trud Street, now Musqueam View Street? So yeah, I probably not very well. Yeah. The city of Vancouver website has an audio clip where you can go, they've got a section on the city website where you can go and learn about, you know,

the history, who Trutch was, why they're renaming the street to try to, you know, reduce the prominence of this guy who was quite racist and openly hostile to indigenous people. His policies caused real harm to indigenous people in British Columbia. So they kind of explain the background and they also have a handy little audio clip where you can hear how it's pronounced. So I'll apologize in advance for I'm not going to pronounce it properly, but I'll just do my best. Yes. The in the language of the Musqueam

First Nation, which is a homunkeum, I apologize for saying that wrong too, but so the name of the street is something along the lines of homusqueam awesome, something like that. But, and that's one thing, but if I asked you to spell it, I wouldn't be able to, I wouldn't be able to spell it,

and throughout my story I spelled it by using copy and paste. Yeah, okay, so therein lies the rub. First of all, I heard you apologize politely, I'm sorry if I get this wrong. I'm sorry if I get this wrong. He said that a couple of times. And now you further to that, you have an inability

as does every person in Canada, with the exception possibly of a handful of people who know this language and understand this alphabet to even write this, to even type this. I don't know how that furthers reconciliation by pointing out that you're walking on eggshells and every single person has an inability to write this. Muscovy and View was written in our alphabet

that allowed conversation, that allowed gaps to be bridged, that allowed people to come together. This to me flies in the face of anything that resembles reconciliation. So I think that in reality, the indigenous name, Homusqueam Awesome, or however you say it, that's my best stab at it, uh, is the official sole legal name

in practice. They're going to have two street signs on every post. One spelled in English saying Musqueam view. You mentioned that, you know, to you, you found Musqueam view difficult to say it would not be difficult to say for anybody in Vancouver. I said, I said, yeah, for somebody who's just learning, it will take, it'll take a day, take a couple of times and you'll get used to it. It's just it's just a new word that needs to be learned. That makes sense.

But the name must we have doesn't seem foreign to people in and around. Sure. Of course. Yeah. That's not an issue. The point is every street sign will have two sign every poll have two signs on it. One in one using this phonetic alphabet, which again will seem foreign to a lot of people. But even though it's the sole legal name, it will not be the only thing on the signage. And I think that in reality, for the foreseeable future, most people are probably going to say and write Musqueam to you. That is, in

practice, that's probably going to be the most commonly used name. That's what people are going to, when they order DoorDash, when they, if they're calling, if they're calling 911, et cetera, et cetera. Sure. I, I might, yeah, my question though is, is, is like, to what end? I mean, if in practice and every day, people will be using this name that it was changed to from this trutch person who I take you at your word was a bad dude and who needed, whose time in the sun needed to come to an end.

I take that point, but how does this new step of, look, I'll call it what it is. It's an overcomplication of something I take that point, but how does this new step of, and look, I'll call it what it is, it's an overcomplication of something that doesn't need to be overcomplicated. Where people live and what the legal name of their address is doesn't need to be more complicated. They are already living in the complicated world of having to change everything about their address.

In some cases, they have to change the nameplate on the front of their house. They spent money putting the name Trutch and now it's Musqueam View. I struggle to understand how this improves anything when all it does, at least in my mind, is complicates people's lives. Well, it does make a change. I mean, societies change all the time. And I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing. Oh, I'm not suggesting change isn't. But it would prevent present a some kind of an inconvenience potentially

for there's roughly 100 addresses on the street. It's not a big street. There's about 100 addresses here. And at council this week, we did hear from some people, a bunch of people who live on what was formerly Trutch Street. They came to city council and expressed their concerns. One thing that was interesting to me is that when we have these debates, whether it's around, you know, statues or changing the names of things because of, you know, as society evolves and we view different figures

in our history differently. We have these debates, a lot of people sometimes, and I've heard it in Vancouver before, people say, oh, this is terrible because you're trying to erase history. Maybe Trutch's policies are viewed negatively today, but it was a different time. Anyway, what was interesting to me is that

all these residents of Trutch Street who came to City Hall this week, none of them mounted that argument. Right. They all said, we are fully supportive of removing this guy's name. That's great. And they actually all supported the Musqueam View name. Their only concerns, they said, were kind of practical considerations.

If they have a legal document, such as a real estate transaction or a will or something like that, could it potentially be challenged or invalidated if they get the street name wrong, if they write Musqueam view or if they try to use this phonetic North American phonetic alphabet and they make a mistake. So those were their concerns with having having the sole legal name. They said, could it have two legal names or have the sole legal name be the English, the one rendered in the Latin alphabet using English.

Yeah. And so those were their concerns. And well, I think those are fair concerns, especially look, I keep going back to it. If the point is to bring together groups of people that have had a difficult time over the course of decades and almost two, over two centuries, seeing eye to eye, then a coming together of a First Nations name, spelt in the English language alphabet,

to me is a beautiful symbol of two cultures coming together. But to take that added spot of making the legal name in an alphabet that my computer doesn't recognize. To me, I struggle to see how that brings people together. So there's a couple of things. First of all, I mean, I heard these people's concerns.

We reported, I reported them in the story, because I thought these people, you know, they were valid, they're genuine in their concerns. And it's too early to know. This is the first thing of its kind, at least in Vancouver. This is the first street sign in Vancouver that will be officially have its name rendered in alphabet other than the one we usually use in English. So I genuinely don't know what's going to happen next. And I told these folks, I made sure they had my contact information. I said the first time you have a problem with this new name, let me know, contact me. We're going to write a story about it.

The city will have to answer for it. And I think, and you know, the city, the city staff, they said themselves, they said, this is the first, this has been a year's long process in collaboration with the Musqueam First Nation getting to this point. And it's been a process we've learned a lot and they might, I don't, we don't know what's going to happen next. Well, then Dan, yeah, Dan, we're going to leave it there as it to be continued. And we hope that you'll join us for updates. I appreciate it. Thank you very much. Sure. We'll do what happens next.

Take care. Welcome back to the Ben Mulroney show. And I want to have a discussion right now about you know loss and how one deals with loss. When one decides that they want to walk through life with the person that they love, their their counterpoint, their soul's counterpoint that they recognize in another, the intention is to to do that together for as long as possible. But when one of those people's journey is cut short, how does one deal with walking that path alone? And I mistakenly referred to my next guest as somebody who found who found recovery and joy in stand up comedy.

That is not the case. However, we're gonna have him drill down as well. Please welcome to the show Brent Bolan, who Brent, welcome to the show. Thank you for joining us. Well, thanks for having me today. And so you sadly, and I'm so sorry for your loss, but you lost your wife, um, in your late fifties after 28 years of marriage. I'm so very sorry. Um, and, uh, if you can, if you can, if we could start, uh, can you tell

me a little bit about your wife? I can. We were married for 28 years. And we, well, I've known her, dated her with the marriage generally for 34 years. So I've been with her a long time. So, yeah. Thank you for depressing me right off the bat. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. Listen, we'll move past it then and we'll talk about, I mean, look, like, we, everyone, it's part of the human condition, right? We lose those we love, but part of what makes it special is that we had somebody to love in the first place. But how one deals with loss, it changes from person to person. Some people deal with it by going very dark

and mourning for a very long period of time and others choose different paths. Talk to me about the path that you chose in order to find your way through your loss. Well, the first thing I can say is the best way I can explain it is, you know, when you're a restaurant and you hear a glass drop, you know, the waiter drops it off the tray and everybody claps and laughs and everyone like that. So now picture a brick wall

and a glass traveling at a hundred miles an hour. There's nothing left. Yeah. And she was my better half. And she did a lot of stuff around here that I didn't do. Like she did all the financials. So two months of being freaked out. But what I've done is I've been thinking about doing this for years. And we were thinking about retiring. Well, I'm kind of semi retired myself right now but I'm starting this thing up again. We were thinking about retiring. Well, I'm kind of semi-retired myself right now, but I'm starting this thing up again.

We were thinking about moving down to Florida. We were even planning on getting her a green card because I am American, so we can move down to Florida. I could tell that that was not an accent from King City. No, it's not. You can take the boy out of the South, but you can't take the South out of it. So I'm from Atlanta. You can take the boy out of the South, but you can't take the South out.

So I'm from Atlanta. So no, I thought about doing this and about starting this up in Florida, not as a self-cure to keep myself sane, but as just something to do on the side. Start up a small, a little small thing, maybe, cause I enjoyed making people laugh. Brighten your day, you know, even if you open a door, hold a door open, you know, it makes somebody has a little bit of positive, you know.

Well, yeah, we, you know, we, Brent, we used to talk about microaggressions a lot. And one of the things I said, well, if we're going to talk about microaggressions, we have to talk about microaffirmations of that holding the door for somebody or telling them, oh, you got a nice new pair of shoes or telling them a joke and all of those things that we lost during the pandemic. I said, you know, I hope they come back. And so, so, so drill down for me. So, so what is this project?

This project is, I started doing this probably around December of 23. She passed in September of 23. So it's been a while, but it's still a deep, I dip my toe in the dark water every once in a while and it still hurts a little bit, but it's okay. But no, just short skits. I've always made, I started writing stuff down for like four years now, because you would sit in the car and you would think of something funny and get home and go, yeah, I'm going to write it down and write it down and you forget.

And you forget. Yeah. So I started making a notebook. So I had just short skits and they're kind of like money, Python, just odd things. And what I've gone into now is part of my history. stuff I see on the street every day. Stuff is true, some stuff I made up. So it's, it's just short skits I put up on YouTube, we do have a website. It is called rock, our It is called rock our comedy.ca. So I have and your goal is to give back to two of the hospitals that that helped care for your wife.

Correct. Ten percent of all proceeds from we have merchandise there. Some of my drawings I've done over the last 30 years or so. Plus the rock hard logos and excuse me, some of the logos from the rock hard stuff. So 10% of everything off the videos off of merchandise buys. So they're going to go to those two hospitals. Princess Margaret, I cannot world class. I share all of it. They share all their information worldwide. They are wonderful. It's a wonderful organization. Absolutely. I actually helped do a radio

thon for them just a few months ago and just a magnificent, it's a gem, it's a jewel in the city of Toronto. I want to ask you, Brent, is this, has this? Because this could do one of two things for you. This could help you pass the time. This could help you forget for a while or it could help you heal or it could do both. Have you given it any thought? Yeah. It's doing all of that. It's in all of that.

I did it. I did it. I have a friend of mine. Her name is her stage name is Rhonda. She doesn't want to have her face on there. I said, Oh, I need a, I need a female voice to play out because I play a lot of times I play the dumb husband named Frank. Her name is Rhonda. So it's kind of relationship stuff on that. And

then we have other other things, boats, we have other scenarios that are going on. So but we play off each other and we've gotten pretty good. I mean, you'll see the first you'll see the first videos is kind of finding your footing, right? Yeah. But right now it's like, okay, let's go. Well, that's great. Lastly, Brent, before we let you go, and I thank you for sharing your story. But what would you tell you you've been on this this journey through loss for a little while now? What would you tell somebody who might be listening right now, who finds themselves at the beginning of such a journey? And and and they get out, you got to get out,

you got to go, you got to be social. I have fortunately, I have two restaurants here in town that we've been going to Ellen and I have been going to for 15 years. So they they're like my second family now. So you got to get out, you got to find a hobby. You got to get out because I know while I know myself, I would close myself in this house and never go out. So I forced myself to go out at least once a week to go eat somewhere. Even just be social. And I pick Saturday night, you know, Saturday night is date night. So I'm eating in the restaurant at a table by myself. You got to force yourself to get out. And you got to do that. You got to be social. You got to

stay in touch with all your friends, your families, your neighbors. And fortunately, I have all those with me, but you got to do that. Brent Bolen, I want to thank you so much for sharing your story. I wish you the very best of luck with this project. I hope that you raise a ton of money for those hospitals that cared so very much for your wife. And in doing this, I hope that you keep her memory alive all while you find a way to move forward. I really appreciate it, sir. Thank you very much. Well, thanks for having me on. Thank you very much. All the best to you.