The Ben Mulroney Show - AC strike continues to break the rules and more gun tragedy

Episode Date: August 18, 2025

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Welcome back to me on my own show. I was gone as of, well, Wednesday. after the show. I've been gone for an extended long weekend. And welcome back to me to the Ben Mulroney show. It's Monday, August 18th. Thank you so much for joining us at the top of this week. It's going to be a great one. A lot of news to get to. You know what? I'm going to pull an audible here because of what we talked about at the end of the Greg Brady show. And I want to spend a moment recognizing one of the actors who was a seminal in my youth. And that is Terran Stamp, who played General Zod in Superman 2, I think.

And ever since then, anything he's in, it hits different, right? And I was telling Greg Brady at the end of his show about a movie that he needs to see that a lot of people slept on that starred, well, two great comedians, Steve Martin and Eddie Murphy. but Terrence Stamp is a, well, no, no, Bowfinger, Bowfinger. Bowfinger is a satire. It's a take down to Hollywood. And it's about the production of a movie called chubby rain. It's as dumb as it sounds like aliens come down to earth in raindrops, hence the chubbiness of the rain. It's so stupid. It's so dumb. It's so over the but Terence Stamp plays the head of a Scientology-like organization called Mindhead. And we have a clip, so let's play that clip.

It seems as though you're doing much better. Yes, yes. Your paranoia is definitely under control since you came to understand Happy Premise Number One. Happy premise number one. There are no aliens. Happy premise number two. Happy premise number two.

There is no giant foot trying to squash me. Happy premise number three. Happy premise number three. Even though I feel like I might ignite, I probably won't. So what do we do? All right. So at the beginning of this week, Ben Mulroney's public service announcement to everyone, if you haven't seen Bowfinger and you need something to do that you know is going to,

you're going to come out of it happier. Watch Bowfinger. They got terrible reviews And every reviewer was wrong It was a prime example Of people just getting it in their head That they were right on site Everyone who said it was a bad movie is wrong

It is a brilliant satire of Hollywood And I urge everyone to see it To honor the late great Terrence stamp All right I also one of the reasons I was gone Over the for a long weekend Was I had to play in a charity golf tournament.

And here's what I'll say. I don't hate golf, but I truly believe that golf hates me. It was a gorgeous day. It was a gorgeous day. I played in the Home Depot charity tournament. We played at a public course

called Wooden Sticks. Gorgeous, beautiful, and perfect day for golf as well, up until like the last five or six holes when it got really, really hot. But we started playing at about 7.30 in the morning on Friday. And it was cool.

There was due everywhere. First day I've seen do this year. It was gorgeous. It was perfect. We felt like we had the whole course to ourselves. The first nine holes, possibly the worst nine holes anyone has ever played. It's as if, I mean,

had an alien come down from Earth and not seen golf and was just told play, they would have played better than I. Awful, just awful. And we were playing best ball. And it was embarrassing. But then the people I was playing with said something to me that was very important. They're like, stop it with the practice swings.

You don't play enough and you don't play well enough that a practice swing will help. Just grip it and rip it. And that was the best advice I got. The back nine was not so good, but it was a heck of a lot better. And when you start in the sub-basement and you make your way up to the back. basement, that's an improvement. And so I was actually being heralded as, as having improved over the course of the, of the eight. Anyway, we played wooden. Oh, no, no, no, no. I was, it was awful. I was awful, awful, awful. But I started enjoying

myself. And that was nice. And so I want to thank everybody at Home Depot, Canada, for having me there, for putting up with me. And I will say this, we played at wooden sticks, which is a beautiful public course. And then we finished for this gala sort of thing at Angus Glenn. Now, I've never been to Angus Glenn before, but that's where they play the open a lot. Wow. This was just, I couldn't believe this place existed how beautiful it was. It was just, I mean, and the difference between a public course and Angus Glenn. Yeah. Anyway, thank you to Home Depot. Thank you for having me. And, you know, if you want me to come back next year to make you all look better, I can do that.

So, yeah, we've got a lot to get to. I think we need to start, we need to start with Air Canada because, oh, listen, this could have followed a predictable pattern. This could have gone down a route that we all expected, which was, you know, the saber rattling on both sides and coming together at the table to create a solution at the last minute and save everybody's, um, uh, travel plans. That is not how this is gone. So as a Friday, the union rejected a late request for arbitration, refused to delay the strike. So Air Canada started delaying flights and canceling flights. On Saturday,

the strike began at 1258 a.m. Eastern, grounding Air Canada and Air Canada routes flights. Seven hours later is where things got interesting. Jobs Minister, Patty Heidu, invoked Section 107 of the Canada Labor Code to request a binding arbitration and issue a return to work order. Let's listen to the minister for her justification. Canadians have already sacrificed a lot in this uncertain economy, and this labor disruption is adding to their worries and financial burdens. As Minister of Labor, I have exercised my authorities under Section 107 of the Canadian Labor Code to direct the Canada Industrial Revenue. Relations Board to order the parties to resume and continue their operations and duties in order to secure industrial peace and protect the interests of Canada, Canadians, and the

economy. Okay, so this I find really interesting. The fact that the government invoked the precariousness of the economy. And I take that. That's a fair point. And I think credit needs to be given where credit is due. I think this is a, this is our prime minister. putting his money where his mouth is and saying, I came into this job to help improve the economy. This doesn't help that. And so in furtherance of my promise, I want everybody back at the table and I want binding arbitration.

So you would think that would be the end of it. However, on Sunday, the Canada Industrial Relations Board issued that return to work order. That was effective at 2 p.m. yesterday. Air Canada announced plans to resume flights Sunday night. And that's, you know, that's where you would expect the predictability to continue. However, this is where things got interesting. CUPY, the union, publicly defied the order, calling it unconstitutional and pledging to continue the strike. As a matter of fact, the QPie president got up on stage and ripped up the order passed down by the government.

This is the CIRB order. Here's what I'm supposed to do. I'm expected to say, stand down. I'm expected to direct you to go back to work. I'm expected to end this strike. Yeah, he ripped up the order from the Industrial Relations Board. And so that's where we are today. The union is saying, screw you.

And so where this goes from here on out, I have no idea. We'll be talking about that a little bit later. We're also going to be talking about Parks Canada's decision to, well, they've decided that they need 25 years to decide whether or not my dad is someone worthy of being honored. I've got a lot to say about that. Don't have time to do it now. So stick around because we'll be talking about that later on the Ben Mulroney show. Welcome back to the Ben Mulroney show. It is Monday.

We are in, we've got an incredible week ahead of us. We don't know what's going to be happening with Air Canada. And I gave you the lay of the land that happened over the weekend with the government essentially bringing, demanding that the party sit down for binding arbitration. But then the union saying, forget you, we're ripping up this order by the Canadian Industrial Relations Board, saying, forget you, we are going on strike, defying it, essentially going, putting themselves, I guess it's an illegal strike at this point. And the union, not for nothing, but they're putting themselves, the workers are putting

themselves in serious jeopardy. They could face imprisonment over this. And given the fact that we live in a world where, you know, you can shoot somebody and not really spend any time in jail, but you can walk through a forest and get a massive fine, who knows what this could mean for these flight attendants who are striking because they feel that they are way behind the eight ball and they have gains to make at the table. So I want to hear from you, 416-870. 6,400 or 1-8-2-2-5 talk, what side of the fence do you land on? Because I think there's three

sides to this fence. I think you've got Air Canada, you've got the government, and you've got the 10,000 flight attendants. I'd love to hear from you, 416-870-6400 or 1-8-225 talk. Look, one of my best friends in the world is an Air Canada flight attendant. And it seems to me that one of the sticking points that I that resonates with me is the fact that these flight attendants are asking are are telling us something that most of us didn't know which is they only start getting paid when the flight actually starts so when they push back from the gate meaning if if you are delayed two hours at the gate and the air can like and you're all sitting on the plane waiting to take off the air can is essentially getting free labor from its flight

attendance. And I don't know if that's the exception in the industry or the rule. I tend to say, listen, whatever the best practice is, that's what I go with. What does United do? What does British Airways do? What does Air France do? And we should do a version of that, which would be then fair. So I don't know what it is. But that's where I land on that. But I also recognize what the government said that this is the last thing we need with this very precarious economy. I credit the government for saying, get back to the table and negotiate

and putting an order in by the Canadian Industrial Relations Board for it. But, you know, I think you've got to remind people, why is the economy in the toilet? Justin Trudeau's government did that. Like, that's why we're where we are. And so this is a rock and a hard place that the government finds itself in

between, but I'm glad they did that. I also think Air Canada has a point as well, but I want to hear from you. And let's start with John. John, thanks so much for calling in. Happy Monday. Hey, Ben. I'm totally on the side of the flight attendant. I think it's total hypocrisy, the amount of money that MPs spend flying on Air Canada.

And then after, as your call-taker said, after only seven hours, I thought it was 12, that they've legislate them back to work. And if, you know, everyone loves the liberals, you know, they're all about the charter rights and freedom. and, you know, standing up for labor laws and whatnot, but this goes against it completely. And you know what? There's a lot of people who are in union and should legislate them back to work after only seven hours.

This is not good faith. This is, it's actually hypocrisy. Yeah, yeah, this is, it's not a good look, but, you know, can you not, I mean, look, I personally think that when it comes to private industry, you let them figure it out. more often than not, but we are, look, we all recognize one of the reasons we elected this liberal government is because of the extraordinary, the argument was, we are living in an extraordinary time where our economy is on the precipice and even the smallest thing could derail

the best laid plans. This could be that smallest thing. And I'll say one last thing, John, and then I'll pass the mic back to you. But the argument against the, the flight attendants is they signed a 10-year deal back in the day, 10 years ago. And when you sign a 10-year deal, you signed a 10-year deal for the security and the peace of knowing that, you know, everything is okay. And they signed it with the assumption that the economy was not going to go as haywire as it did, and that inflation was not going to do what it did. And it turns out it did.

and because of that, they find themselves in a less beneficial position today than they otherwise would have been. But that's sort of what happens when you sign a 10-year deal. So what do you think about that? Yeah, I think when you are negotiated contract, it is to do it in short, or, you know, maybe four years at the most. That way, you know, life changes. Yeah.

So the economy is constantly. But like anything else, I just find a dumbfounding that you can see the running on the wall. And regardless of what's happening with the tariffs and whatnot, come on. Things have been in such disrepair for so long that they could see this coming like so many other things. But I'll leave that back. I hope you have a good day. Thank you, John. I appreciate it. Hey, let's welcome George into the conversation. George, what side of the fence do you land on? Well, listen, I mean, I think they should get paid for every minute that they step in the airport. I thought they did already being there, Canada, such a great Canadian carrier. But I, listen, I mean, I think they should get paid for every minute that they step in the airport.

guess not. I mean, no, I don't care if Air Canada just goes bankrupt and doesn't fly again. Get proper carriers out there that pay people what they're worse. That's at the end of the day. So Air Canada, I don't know what their market share is, but let's assume it's somewhere around 50%.

You'd be happy and fine with them going bankrupt and the disarray that that would cause. Ben, they've been a disaster for the last seven years. They can't even get a suitcase across. It's not like they were great in the last decade. They've been terrible. And you know what? Cudos

Air Canada, because they confused and brainwashed and misled all their staff with all this woke stuff. You know, they're concentrating and celebrating all this woke stuff. The airline was doing. Now they're fighting for their wages. I don't know. What can I say? And you know what? Politicians are going to blame the economy's

disaster. Every business is going to blame the economy. That's not an excuse because in the good times they weren't paying these people either. Well, yeah, and listen, And I thank you for the call and I appreciate it. Look, I call it because I want people's opinions. I'm not trying to convince anyone that I'm right. My sense is what I would like to see is a recognition by everybody that the economy is in the toilet.

And a work stoppage right now would not help that. Maybe what they could do is, I don't know, come together and come to some sort of like short-term solution, a one-year deal. a one and a half year deal to say, all right, what do we need right now that'll get us to a better place with a promise by management that they will negotiate in good faith and they will respect if we cannot come to an organization, you're going to respect the fact that we're going to go on strike in a year and a half. But in the interim, to respect the fact that we are in a very precarious position economically, we are going to get back to work, give us a small bump in our pay, or whatever it is, and then we can re-evaluate everything else in a year and a half.

That's what I'd like to see. Hey, let's welcome Mark to the show. Mark, tell me something I don't know. I was just going to say, standard practice in the airline. I question the timing of using this kind of pressure when Canada's in a rough patch. It's not like stewardesses, sorry, flight attendants walked into this blindly. This has been a practice for 10 years plus or forever, essentially. and I think their hourly wage probably reflects that

because who's doing free work today, right? I mean, think about that. It's not happening. So it's all of a sudden presented as free work, I think it's a little... Well, listen, I think a lot of people were surprised to hear the story that they're not paid, especially when a plane doesn't push back on time.

That is surprising to me. I don't like the idea of that. I think a lot of people bristle at that idea. But again, I don't know what. is commonplace in the industry. I have no idea. So I'm sort of, in and of itself, it doesn't sound like a good idea to me. But I don't know what analogs in the United States and Europe and around the world and Asia

do in those circumstances. If it is, if they are the exception, if they're the outlier, then it makes sense to me that they should, they should find a way to harmonize that policy with what their sister airlines around the world do. But that's my take. Let's welcome Pete to the conversation. on the Ben Mulrudey show. Morning, Ben. How are you?

Well, thanks. A friend of mine was taking his family for the first time in four years on a vacation to Europe on Saturday. They were told to come to the airport if they didn't see it canceled. It was still on the board when they got to the airport. Everything was ready to go and canceled two hours in there to get the boarding passes are already sitting in the lounge. And now they're scrambling. Air Canada is not answering any phones. Even if you get the line through to figure out what to do, it drops. They just jumped in a car.

car and drove to Quebec and did many cabas and many paris and stuff oh wow yeah but but it's ruined a potentially fantastic once-in-lifetime family vacation for what i don't understand ben is i'm a cubie member okay um i'm not proud of that but it has nothing to do with me uh i am a public employee Canadian union of public employees yeah how does air Canada fit into that i was asking that very same question this morning i have no idea me it might they might be grandfathered in because you'll remember Eric Canada was once a crown corporation so they might still be grandfathered in

and they were always represented by CUPY. I have no idea but you know it's a very good question that we'll probably try to answer on this show. I want to thank you for your call and if we didn't get to you. I'm talking specifically of Ben and Eddie. Thank you so much for calling and I apologize. Welcome

back to the Ben Mulroney show. I want to thank you so much for joining us. Sometimes we talk about happy things on this show and sometimes we talk about things that should disappoint us and honestly defeat us as a city. And gun violence is one of those topics. It is unrelenting. It is like the tides. And it is unfortunately sadly becoming something that is predictable and expected in a city where it was exceptional and surprising and to wake up and hear of the story of Javei Roy, who was an eight-year-old boy, he went to bed, comfortable in his bedroom, excited to go to his best friend's birthday, to wake up and realize that he was never going to wake up again because a spray of bullets

peppered his home entering his bedroom and felling him in the middle of the summer when kids get to be kids is as I said it breaks our heart but it makes it even more sad

that this happens so freaking often we're joined now by somebody who he knows more about this than any one person should we're glad that he has this information former police officer, conservative candidate for office. He worked in guns and gangs in Toronto as well as Peel Region.

Please welcome to the show, Ron Chinser. Ron, thanks so much for being here. Yeah, thank you, Ben, for having me. I wish we were talking about something different. Well, listen, I say it as somebody who reports it. But you've worked the streets. You've worked this exact file. Has it ever been this bad on the streets of Toronto?

Has gun violence ever been this pervasive and omnipresent? It feels like it hasn't, but tell me if I'm wrong. No, it's never been this bad. It's never been that in your face. And I could tell you from my police officer friends still working on the job on all of our major investigations, the bad guys laugh about this. They know nothing's going to happen to them.

And now we're seeing the real impacts on complete innocent people, including Sally and eight-year-old kids sleeping in his bed with his mom, by the way. What, what, is there anything that you know from talking, to your sources in the police department that we don't know yet or something that could add a little more context or take away some of the confusion?

You know what? I don't want to say too, too much because I don't want to jeopardize the investigation, but what I will tell you, which is not commonly known unless people look into it, is you have witnesses that were there that have said that they heard upwards

of 12 gunshots happening and then set, you know, and the bullets went into not just, you know, this eight-year-old kid's house, but two other homes as well were luckily nobody was injured. Now, what I will tell people is having worked investigations like this,

when you hear of 12 gunshots, one thing that will probably come to light at some point of time is, this likely is going to be more than one gun shooting, which would make sense given on the scene. This would be potentially given the area and the history, and let's just call a spade a spade of, sadly, likely a gang involved shooting

where you had more than one person shooting at each other, and an eight-year-old kid was murdered. And that's going to be determined based on the shell casings that were recovered at the scene and the locations of those casings, if any, were recovered. So this is going to get complicated, but the big push right now, and I think why police officers stay in quiet is they don't want to have, you know, many people know about how much evidence they do have, but additionally, they want to make sure that this, as the chief put, this is a red ball investigation, which means there is no limit on the budget. This has made so many people angry, and it's such an issue that I'm telling you, there's no expense to this. And for any of the people listening, that might be the people involved in this or know who is involved with this.

Um, do what's right for once. Yeah. Turn yourself into a police station, call crime stoppers, call Toronto police homicide. They need information to hold these people accountable for nothing more than the sake of this poor victim who deserves the justice that they need. Yeah, well, you know, his mother took to Facebook to say that she wants the, she wants his name to be remembered. Uh, she wants, uh, you know, Javei Roy's name to be remembered and, and we will do everything

we can on this show for that to happen. Um, but in order for him to be remembered. the way we want him to, there needs to be justice. The story needs to come to an end that gives people closure that brings peace to his family. And, you know, you've sat with, you've sat with family members whose family members have been affected by gun violence. Let's, let's talk about what happens to those families when they don't get that, they don't get that closure. Why do we need this to be this investigation to come to ultimately to a conclusion where with where people are brought to account you know what to exactly the word that you just use accountability and

justice you know one of the saddest things about this was uh the victim's mother had put something on social media that was sent to me and it was it was almost like within a couple hours uh you know of her son passing away and being murdered i should say not passed away murdered um she said you know now you've escaped the war just think about what that sentence means this is the problem we have. And I'm, this is why I was so passionate about this to begin with. I've spent so much time with so many kids and parents of kids who are at risk or involved in gangs. And we know, when you talk to them, you look at the communities that they're in, there's a huge amount of inequity, not the way that we've been sold by the media of inequality. You know, I'm talking about income inequality, access to employment, you know, real development to change their lives. And we've seen this for 10, 20, 30 or 40 years. And when you have a mother who loses their son and then their statement is you've escaped the war, what type of environment was this person living in? And then you see the comment. And then you see the comments. online and some of them are the most racist, disrespectful, ignorant comments. This has nothing to do with race. This has nothing to do with any sort of lifestyle. This has everything to do with the growth of crime and then just blind your eyes and we're going to kill anybody who comes

in our way. That's the issue. So the responsibility and the accountability is all of us who have children, even those who don't, can understand how sad it is for a mother to be sleeping with her kid for a bullet to enter and kill that kid beside her. We all understand. We're all inflamed by that. We need accountability. And, you know, this isn't about pointing the blame at people. This is about who's responsible to solve this? That's the problem. Whose responsibility is it to fix it? And nobody outside of the police and the mayor have stepped up to say, we need to take responsibility for this. Ron, what happens in a scenario? And I'm speculating, but I'm speculating based on previous incidents. What happens if this investigation leads to

suspects being determined to be under like being youths that would be subject to the criminal the Youth Criminal Justice Act and I mean Christ man if I hear one more situation of a 14 year old who pulls a, pulls a gun, kills somebody else

and then we let them off because of the loophole provided by the Youth Criminal Justice Act and they'll lose it. Well, you're going to lose it if that's the case. I'll promise you that. The Youth Criminal Justice Act has just applied to it. Canada has not adopted

it to real time. There's no conversations about adjusting the youth justice at to hold really violent criminals accountable, even though they're young, because there's many other issues there. You're going to get upset like most people, if that comes to light. What I will share is I have heard through other sources of potentially

people involved into this, and the information that I've heard, if it's true and if it makes itself public, it's going to blow up the country. It's going to be a major issue. I hope it's not true. I hate to say that so vaguely, but I just think you know the line of conversation and the questions we're having here Canada needs to wake up and I say that not out of a political line I'm saying guys how much more do we need to see to

realize there's a huge problem and to see no response no response from the federal government is it's uh it just puts more fire to me to be like there needs to be more that has to get well that's right Greg Brady was pointing out that not a single Toronto area uh or GTA area um MP from the Liberal Party has said anything about this this terrible. It's not a tragedy. A tragedy is something that's accidental in my mind. This is

this is preventable. This is had we taken the steps as a society to take these things as seriously as we should, we wouldn't be dealing with them on the level that we are today. And I know you're being very diplomatic, Ron, you're trying to keep politics out of this.

You need political will to deal with this. Politics is intrinsic to this debate, and we currently have a dearth of it at the federal level. Yeah, 100% look, Ben, this is the only reason I got in a politics was for kids like him and for victims like his family. That's exactly where I got it. Nobody speaks for them, and nobody in government has the background that I have, nor do I feel like anybody would appreciate it to some degree.

And, you know, what I really grinds my gears, also, and pisses me off, is when I hear, for example, our mayor says, we need to put a stop to gun violence, you should have, what do you Nobody cares about the headline and the talking point and you've satisfied a quota. Do something about it. Do something. And that's the biggest problem is I find all of these quote unquote leaders sitting in positions because they know how to play politics. They know how to win votes.

But they're completely and absolutely incompetent and have no humility, no common sense. And they can't even connect to a normal human being because they're so afraid of the pushback of saying, we screwed up. We need to fix this. If not for me, if not for you, do it for this eight-year-old. Have some guts, man. It'll go a long way. Just do the right thing if you can for once in your life.

Ron Chinser, thank you so much for your candor. Thank you for your expertise. Thank you for being here. Thanks, man. Take care, bro. Welcome back to the Ben Mulroney's show. This city took a gut punch when we heard of the murder of eight-year-old Javei Roy, who was.

killed in his bed while he was sleeping excited. Actually, his mom said he couldn't sleep because he was so excited about going to his best friend's birthday party. Twelve bullets pierced through that home, destroyed that family. We were just talking to Ron Chinser

before the break, and now we're going to talk to somebody who's even closer to this story. Please welcome to the Ben Mulroney show. Marcel Wilson, the founder of the one-by-one movement, who's also a Roy family spokesperson, Marcel, I wish we were speaking on a more optimistic day where we could talk about the good work that your group is doing. We will touch on that.

But how are you feeling today? You knew, gosh, it's hard to put that in the past tense. You knew this young boy. Yes, I did. Unfortunately, it's been a horrific experience for everyone involved, and we are still trying to wrap our heads around this. So the one-by-one movement that you started, Tell us a little bit about that.

What has been your mission? So our mission is to reduce extreme acts of violence globally. And we do this through people, through communities, of people that have lived experience, people that have been on both sides of the law. And we tried to come together as communities. We work in communities. We work within the jail system.

We work wherever anyone is willing to listen and come together to unify on this particular subject. So you have you have members who have been extremists, who have been gang members, who've been in jail, who've been in prison, who bought a line and saw the world a certain way and you were able to somehow get them to see the world a different way and be part of a solution as opposed to feeding into the problem. when a murder like this happens an organization it's got your how do you feel as somebody who's trying to counter this

how do you feel when one of our youngest somebody that you had within your organization as part of your group you got them early he was going to be the example of how if you get them early if you get kids early they can be part of the solution and they can change the world and he's felled in his own bed

as a how do you feel as somebody who's working against this every day? Well, my blood is boiling and I mean it hurts every time we have to deal with these type of situations and I'll tell you it's all too often but this one is personal. This one hits very, very close to home. And as you said, this was a young boy who we managed to get early, a happy, energetic pleasant, kind, young person who I wouldn't even say was at risk or high risk

just a normal age role and where we are raging. I was asking Ron Chinser, the former police officer who was on our show just a few minutes ago. I asked him if how I felt from where I do this show is a reflection of reality

because it feels like we've never lived in a more violent city, that the gun violence is, no longer the exception, but it's just something that we're almost, we're getting numb to because it happens so often. And he said that I'm not wrong. Now, from your perspective, as somebody who tries to combat this every day, do you feel like you're swimming upstream? I know Ron really well. And he's not wrong. You guys are completely right. Things have absolutely changed. There are layers, added components to the criminal lifestyle, to the gang lifestyle that just we didn't

have 10, 15 years ago. Like what? Marcel, give me some detail. What do you mean by that? Well, two main things that I can think of right hand, right offhand, and that is access to illegal firearms in the streets. We have conducted experiments with people as young as 14 years old, and they can get their hands on an illegal firearm within hours.

We've seen this happen time and time again. And then two, the component of social media in my day, in order for two people to get into a disagreement that could lead to a violent altercation that used to have to happen in person. And now this can happen online between two strangers who have never met and can result in actual murder. So these two pieces are really, really absolutely. to this problem at a level that we just never seen before. And where is the choke point then? I mean, listen, acknowledging what the problem is is the first step. But in order for you to be able to come up with a solution that sticks, you need buy-in, right?

You need levels of government. You need community leaders. You need people to buy in. Who isn't buying into the solution? Where are the people causing the problems that want to see this problem exacerbated? There are certain groups that are thriving in this environment. Who are they and how do we get to them? Absolutely.

And unfortunately, this has become somewhat of a political point. It's become an industry. And I mean, we've sat at round tables. We've spoken to every level of government for years on the subject. And one of the risk factors that we've identified and screamed from the mountaintops, is this of cohesion amongst organizations, let's say, good people that are trying to do good work. There's a competitive nature, and that's literally due to the way that the funding models are structured.

We refer to it as the funding Olympics. So you have organizations that now are forced to become competitive. So we've taken a completely unique approach to this, that we have tried to get second, of government to buy in and that's why we are corporate pay us to do the work with deliverables we don't deliver you don't pay us you pay us and we are paying taxes back into the system right not just sucking the taxpayer dry so we believe that that's the right model and we think that this is the new model that should should take over in this space particularly Marcel before I let you go I know you've got a terrible day ahead of you but you know

Javei's mom went on social media and she said she does not want her son's name to be forgotten what do we need to do in the next few days and weeks to ensure that his name is forever remembered

we have to keep this in the headlines this can't be a passing just another passing shooting as you alluded to earlier becoming the norm where you know we mourn this week and next week everyone is just back to the normal process.

We have to start unifying and pressuring the people, the decision makers to make the right decisions here. Well, Marcel, let me tell you, we will do our best to keep his name on at the tip of our tongue on the Ben Mulroney show. If you think that we're falling short, you let us know. You give my producer a call. There's some way that we can help keep this story in the press. Keep it moving forward. You just let us know we're here to help. Thank you so much for caring, Ben. It's greatly appreciated.

And listen, anytime you want to talk about the work that one-by-one is doing, you've got a microphone here. Thank you so much. Thank you very much. That was Marcel Wilson, the founder of the one-by-one movement. He's also a spokesperson for the Roy family. When I found out my friend got a great deal on a wool coat from winners, I started wondering. Is every fabulous item I see from winners? Like that woman over there with the designer jeans. Are those from winners?

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