The Ben Mulroney Show - Another woke court decision/Ashleigh Banfield/Yasmine Mohammed

Episode Date: June 23, 2026

GUEST:  Ashleigh Banfield / Host & Creator of the Drop Dead Serious podcast! GUEST:  Yasmine Mohammed / Canadian author, activist, and commentator known for speaking out about Islamism, women’s rights, secularism, and free expression If you enjoyed the podcast, tell a friend! For more of the Ben Mulroney Show, subscribe to the podcast! ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://link.chtbl.com/bms⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Also, on youtube -- ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.youtube.com/@BenMulroneyShow⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Follow Ben on Twitter/X at https://x.com/BenMulroney Insta: ⁠⁠⁠@benmulroneyshow⁠⁠⁠ Twitter: ⁠⁠⁠@benmulroneyshow⁠⁠⁠ TikTok: ⁠⁠⁠@benmulroneyshow⁠⁠⁠ Executive Producer:  Mike Drolet Reach out to Mike with story ideas or tips at [e-mail] Enjoy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This podcast is brought to you by the National Payroll Institute, the leader for the payroll profession in Canada, setting the standard of professional excellence, delivering critical expertise, and providing resources that over 45,000 payroll professionals rely on. So I am out running errands today in the hours leading up to coming in and preparing for the show. We're all busy. Everyone's got lots of stuff to do. You got kids and you got responsibilities and bills to pay and things to pick up. And so I was running around this morning. and I called Droulet, Intrepid, to check in and keep him in the loop as to what I'm up to. And he says, I just sent you an article. And I'm glad you're walking because I was going to tell you that if you were driving or if you were standing, I would suggest you sit. And in the notes, when I pulled up the document, he said, I worry for your health.

I'm not aware if you have high blood pressure or not. If you do, don't read this next story. You see how caring I am? Yeah, so I click on it. Five-year sentence cut in half for armed carjacker because pretrial custody was harsh and demeaning. That does not do justice to what is in this article. It does not. The story is of Jaden Robinson.

He spent 809 days in pretrial custody. You could argue that is way too long. However, what did he do? What did he do for which he admitted his culpability? He carjacked an individual with a loaded weapon and crashed the car. He was chased by the cops. And when they caught him, there was a bullet in the chamber. So they come to an understanding, the defense as well as the crown.

that he should serve a mandatory minimum sentence of five years in prison. So the people who want to put the guy in jail and the guy who is set to defend the guy, agree five years in prison. The judge says, hold my beer. And the judge decides that, yes, he spent too much time in jail awaiting his sentencing. And then he goes into some pretty bad, a pretty bad situation that he had in, while in jail. But then goes, he puts the system

on trial. If they truly believe that incarceration is the answer to our criminal justice problems, they should admit that the correctional institutions' neglectful approach to inmate care has led to shorter sentences, less time in custody, and lower rates of incarceration. So the judge has now

decided that he is going to he's going to politic. And then he goes on after you read how terrible all this was. Oh, I should mention that he's black and indigenous. During his time at the Toronto South Detention Center, the indigenous unit was eliminated. Corrections officers removed and disposed of the artwork, teachings, and prayers that were in the former indigenous range.

I don't care. Robinson is a status first nation's adult with maternal ties to another first nation. His personal history reflects the enduring and well-documented impacts of intergenerational trauma arising from the legacy of residential schools and the colonial policies instituted by successive past governments resulting in a cultural genocide. That was a sitting judge who was told by both sides that this guy should be in prison. And he decides to rise to the defense of the accused and now guilty. Guilty of carjacking someone with a gun.

That person, that victim, is still traumatized. This is trauma from today, not intergenerational trauma, that, again, you are patronizing all of the people who actually suffered a well-documented intergenerational trauma. And then this person goes on. His maternal grandmother attended a residential school. The resulting disruptions contributed to a loss of cultural identity. His upbringing was marked by family instability, emotional suppression, and discon. Again, stuff the defense should have brought up if they thought it would have helped. The death of his maternal grandfather represented a significant turning point in his life.

Oh, the death of a family member has a negative impact on you. It had a negative impact on me when my dad died. What do I get? What crime do I get to commit? This is insane. So look, I'm not going to go through this. You've heard me talk about this. This judge is a poster child for judicial activism and two-tier justice.

And the idea that justice in this country is most certainly not blind. But the reason I'm bringing up is not to give you the same spiel I've given you time and time again. It is to say I will continue to bring up these stories because the moment we stay silent on what I believe to be a miscarriage of justice and a direction that our judicial system is going in. that it should not be going in. We concede the point. We concede the ground to activists that literally want to break us up from the inside. This is judicial malpractice. I don't know if it's a thing, but I'm never going to stop talking about it.

It's also an insult to the victims. It's an insult to the victim. Absolutely. You have to think about it from that. How do you think that person feels? Well, I don't know. That person is the victim is likely terrified. every time he's in a parking.

And lastly, I will say this to the judge. You have written a roadmap for anybody who comes from a marginalized community to get off in your courtroom. That's it. That's it. I'm done. I'm done on this one. We'll talk about the next one when it comes up and it's going to come up. We haven't talked about this yet.

The Regina Call to Prayer. There is a, in the Islamic faith, there is a call to prayer five times a day. And in certain places, you can hear the call to prayer on speakers to let you know it's time to come to the mosque to pray or wherever you're going to pray. And I want to be clear. What I'm talking about here is not an attack on anyone's faith. This is sounds ringing out in the streets of Regina for the very very. first time. The first outdoor ad han on Friday, the call ran for two to three minutes. It's going to run for two to three minutes every Friday. They have a permit through July and another three year end.

It's renewable annually. And the latest that came out this morning is Regina Police said that they're aware of public discussion around this. And there are there are people who are raging against this. There are people who are issuing threats about this. There are those who are likening it to a bell tolling at a church. It's not the same thing. It would be the same. Well, it would be more similar. If from that church tower, instead of a bell, you heard a megaphone pronouncing the Lord's Prayer.

And it's not for nothing, but, you know, if you understood, if we understood Arabic, we would hear Allah is the great. greatest. I bear witness that there is no God except Allah, and that's repeated twice, the first one four times it goes on. This is not, I'm not making a value judgment on the religion. I am saying that this is, I don't, I feel uncomfortable with this. I just do. I have a, I have a problem with religion being pronounced in a public way like this. It is not the same as a bell tolling at a Catholic church and not for nothing, foundationally, this is a Judeo-Christian country. It's built on those values.

Not to say it's religious, because it's not, but those values are what people came to Canada for. And I don't, I don't like it. I want everybody to be able to practice their religion freely,

but you are foisting your religion on me. And if this were said in English as opposed to Arabic, I don't know that it would just, that people would be able to poo-poo it the way they do. And if this is a hot take for you, well, I prefer it to be the beginning of a conversation.

And after the break, we are going to, oh, no, it's not after the base, it's a little bit later. We're going to continue this conversation with somebody who has a thing or two to say about a thing or two. And this is one of those things. But this shouldn't be a hot take. This just shouldn't happen. And I would say one last thing about this.

Were there public consultations that this was going to happen? Did you make it known on a speaker as loud as the one that people heard for a call to prayer that this was going to happen? I suspect you didn't. I suspect this either happened far quieter than the call to prayer itself. Because if you did, people would have shown up and people would have said, you know what, maybe not. Maybe not. And not to say that this is the only place it happens. It's just the only one that we're talking about right now.

But we will have this conversation a little bit later. In the meantime, there is an update on the Nancy Guthrie abduction case. And we're going to be speaking with the host and creator of the Drop Dead Series podcast, Ashley Banfield. Don't go anywhere. This is the Ben Moorney Show. Hey, y'all. It's Kelly Clarkson with Wayfair. Ever order furniture online and wonder what if?

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Now. Wayfair, every style, every home. Welcome back, and it's been a while since we've had an update on the Nancy Guthrie case, Nancy Guthrie being the mother of Savannah Guthrie, the American broadcaster from the Today Show, whose mother was abducted from her home in the United States. And what would the last I remember was hearing the gut-wrenching sadness of Savannah on social media, hoping to lay her mother to rest. was a, I don't know if it's a breakthrough in the case or just new information, but to discuss

it, we're joined for the first time, hopefully not the last by Ashley Banfield, the host and creator of the Drop Dead Serious podcast who joins us from Northern Ontario. Ashley, welcome to the show. Hi, Ben. It's so good to be with you. It's great to talk to you about, I mean, it is a sad, sad story. But this, the news that there were two additional letters that were received, but in short order, a way, a while ago by the in this case is quite a surprising turn for a lot of people. You know, I think that, well, first of all, every time somebody asks me about the Nancy Guthrie case,

the thing they say is, whatever happened to her, as though they were fixated on every moment of that case. And when the details started to dry up, they suddenly just kind of assumed it was over and they never really got resolution. And the truth is there is no resolution, Ben. They haven't been able to come to terms with any leads that have brought them anywhere. So they're going back. This is the effective news that's being made of the last two or the very first two ransom notes. They're going back to those saying, I think these maybe are more serious than we thought originally.

So the first one was sent one day after the abduction. The message demanded millions in cryptocurrency. and the second note was sent on February 6th. It didn't ask for money. Instead, it claimed that Nancy had died during the kidnapping plot. The emotional roller coaster that that family must be, must have been going on and now and continues to go on is unrelenting and just something I wouldn't wish on anyone. Unimaginable. And I think if you watch the Today Show, Savannah Guthrie's been put in an extraordinary position. Look, you and I work in the media. We cover stories. We know how to cover stories. We just do it. But the stories aren't about us. And so for Savannah this morning, she had to address

the elephant in the room, which was that this massive story is broken all over again, that, you know, that second note did say sorry. Actually didn't say sorry. That was one report that may not be right. It said, your mother, you know, accidentally died. And effectively, I think they still wanted to make a deal without putting a price on it. And so Savannah had to address that today without saying, I'm reporting this news. I'm not going to report this news. I'm not going to be a part of it. But she took the opportunity to do what every true crime family does every chance they get. And that is to say, 1-800 call FBI. If you know anything, if you've seen anything, if you've heard anything. And the weird thing is, then even three, four months later, people do. People actually do years later. So it's worth putting out that pitch. Yeah. And I believe I read somewhere that Savannah feels responsible because of her public, you know, her public persona that it somehow put, I don't want to say a target on her mom's back, but made her a target. Ashley, you've been in the media for a very long time in very high profile jobs. That's not the job. If whoever's speaking with Savannah Guthrie, I do hope they help her

unburden herself of that because that's that's not a burden she should be carrying. It isn't. And if that were the case, well, there would be a kidnapping every 10 seconds with the number of celebrities who are on every different platform of communication there is. And that's not even talking about artists or any musicians. You know, I mean, I feel so much for her because Because without any answers, you start looking for some. And that might be one of the ones that, you know, is keeping her up at nights. But honest to God, it can't be. It just can't be.

These are people who are sick and twisted and they will pick anybody. And the family put out a massive reward for any information that led to either the discovery of their mother alive or sadly not. And yet no one's claimed that reward. So if somebody had information, that's a pretty great incentive to offer it up. This has been a very difficult crime to follow and ultimately solve. So Savannah mentioned it again today on the Today Show. She reminded everybody of the million dollar family reward that they've put forward with information that could lead to retrieving their mother in whatever condition she may be in. And what I find so interesting about that, Ben, is that.

with the advent of time, sometimes relationships crumble. And there's not a lot of honor among thieves. And so what we often find in the true crime community is that there may be some disgruntled ex. There may be an ex-girlfriend who's been wronged or a friend who's been wronged or somebody who didn't get their cut of whatever it is they think they're due in some other deal with this criminal. And that's usually when people start talking. And they may not talk directly to authorities, but they'll talk to someone else. And someone else might say, that million could be mine. And so that's oftentimes how these things get solved.

So do you believe it's a matter of time? I'm not asking to predict this case, but in the cases that you have studied in the past and been focused on, that tends to be something, right? It does. Time is really on the side of investigators. And for anybody who thinks that the Nancy Guthrie case has gone cold, it has not gone cold. It is not cold. I know a cold case. A cold case literally happens when every single lead has been run down and there is not one more lead.

There is not one more tip. There is no work for the investigators left to do. And the box goes up on the shelf and officially it's cold. Savannah Guthrie's mother's case is nowhere near that stage. And it won't be probably for well over another year to two years. So the time that is of the essence because what will often happen is discoveries. hikers, drivers, people who go off and do something on the side of the road, sometimes we'll find bodies. Those women down in Mexico have unearthed 12 unmarked graves because they've been searching for loved ones.

So those kinds of things help as well as those disgruntled exes, those people who have fallen in disfavor with the perpetrator, and sometimes jailhouse snitches who are looking for a better deal. Ashley, tell us about the Drop Dead series podcast. Well, I kind of live this world then. I, you know, forever and ever, I think I'm going on year 39 right now in journalism and television and podcasting. And forever and ever, I've done kind of all the beats in the book, business, politics, general news, ABC, NBC, CBS, you name them. But now I've really settled into the genre of true crime podcasting and, you know, the performances can go on YouTube. And it really seems to reach a lot more people than television.

And so I just recently atrophied the TV side of my four decade long career and I'm just doing this particular podcast, Drop Dead Serious. And I find that it's just such a more relaxed way. I can tell just by the work that you do. We can have conversations. We don't have to sort of machine gun the stories that are viewers anymore. We can actually engage with them. Yeah. Yeah.

I heard it in your voice when you talked about the tone changed. I could hear a smile in your voice. when you started talking about. If people want to find it, how can they find it? Super easy. Just drop dead serious. If you do that, it's the first thing to come up on YouTube. It's on every podcast platform. Not hard to find it all.

And you will find me in settings like this, up in northwestern Ontario and 120-year-old hunting cabin, or somewhere in Vermont, or somewhere in Florida or Connecticut. That's also the beauty of not being in a TV studio anymore. Now you're just making me jealous, Ashley. just because I'm here. Listen, I'm in a box. We can't zoom out or zoom in.

I'm literally in a box here. But no, I do love what I do. Hey, Ben. Can I tell you something real quickly? I know you're probably low on time. I'll make this really, really quick. I just want to tell you that about nine years ago is at the Metropolitan Club in New York City

and an event because I lived in New York City. And I was at the Canadian American event. And across the room, I spotted Brian Mulrooney. And I never met him, but man was I a fan because he was my PM growing up. So I got up the gumption to go over and, you know, meet one of my heroes. And as I walked over with my hand out to say, Mr. Prime Minister, my name is, he stopped me. And he said, Ashley Banfield, CNN, I just watched your show today at noon.

It's called Legal View. I watch it every day. And I've never melted more than that moment. And then your mom came over with her million-dollar Hollywood smile. And it was just the whole night was made. Okay, Ashley. This was already a home run bucketless conversation for me before you said that. But we got to get you back on soon. Thank you so much.

Love to. Bye. Good to see you. Good to see you too. That was Ashley Banfield, the hosting creator of the Drop Dead serious podcast and apparently a Brian Mulroney super fan. So when we come back, we are going to go back and revisit the story of the call to prayer in Regina with our next guest, Yasmin Mohammed, who grew up in a strict fundamentalist

household in British Columbia, forced into marriage with an al-Qaeda linked man. Yeah. got some stuff to say. Welcome back. A few days ago, I saw, we were on the show here and we were talking about a tweet that we saw information that came our way that said newly declassified 1992 CIS Canada memo predicted the Islamic extremists would attempt to bypass security by filing refugee claims in Canada. Since 1992, that was happening. And I saw someone repost it and it said Esam Marzouk, the al-Qaeda terrorist I was forced to marry in Vancouver,

B.C, entered Canada from Afghanistan with a fake passport, and he was given refugee status. That was the 90s. They've been playing this game a very long time. That's not the type of tweet you read every day. And by I guess a fluke of

coincidence, as we were looking to talk to somebody about a number of stories, but really the genesis of it was the Regina Call to Prayer. This person who wrote this tweet was someone who came up as someone we wanted to talk to. And I'm very, very glad to welcome to the show, Yasmin Mohammed. Thank you so much for being here.

Thank you so much for inviting me on, Ben. This is a really important conversation. And I'm glad to join you in it. It is. But before we get to that, I'd love, and I think our audience, once I read them, that tweet, would love some details if you're willing to share them. Yeah, sure. I'll try to be as concise as possible.

But essentially, I was born and raised in Vancouver. My mom is from Cairo, Egypt. My dad is from Gaza. The two of them met in university in Egypt, got married, moved to San Francisco, had my sister, then moved to Vancouver and had my brother and I, and then their marriage fell apart. So my dad moved to Montreal. My mom stayed in Vancouver and remarried a man who already had a wife, already had three children. and she was a second concurrent wife, which is against the law in Canada, but it didn't matter to them.

And this man was what we now call an Islamist, a political Muslim. So the kind of person who believed in the edicts of the Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas, Hasballah, ISIS, the whole global caliphate idea. And he pulled my mom into that world, and she was really hookline and sinker. was very interested in all that, followed Sayyat Qutp and all of those people, because they had this mix of anti-West pro-Islam that really pulled her in because she was super anti-West because she blamed the West for the reason why her marriage fell apart. And so the anti-Muslim or sorry, the pro-Muslim part was just kind of piggybacking on.

But for her, it was really the anti-West side of things that was more important, which you're seeing now with the green bread alliance with a lot of the progressives, communists, leftists, Marxists, et cetera. For them, it's, you know, they're anti-West. And so the pro-Islam anti-West, you know, we've seen it happen all over the Middle East. We've seen it happen in Egypt, in Syria, and Lebanon and Gaza, obviously in Iran. That's the biggest example of Islamic regime. of Iran wouldn't exist if it wasn't for all the leftists supporting them. So anyway, I grew up in that. And how did that lead to?

Yeah, I grew up in that world. Go on. So I grew up in that world and that eventually led to me being forced into a marriage with a terrorist because my mom said, we finally found a man who's strong enough to control you. Oh, boy. So for all of those years leading up, I was resisting, unhappy. I wanted to have normal some friends. I wanted to celebrate birthdays.

I wanted to listen to music. I wanted all of these things that were forbidden that were taken away from me. I was no longer allowed to ride a bike, no longer allowed to go swimming. I mean, the list is endless of things. And obviously I got put in hijab. And so my childhood was yanked away from me when she entered into this ideology. And so, of course, I was not happy about it. it. And she tried previously to force me into a marriage with my cousin in Egypt and that

didn't work. I've got to ask because I do want to get to the Regina thing. But how did you escape, how did you escape that marriage? It's a long series. Then we'll stick a pin in that. Yes, we'll stick a pin in that. We'll read the book. But in the meantime, you posted when this story of the Islamic call to prayer was tested in downtown Regina, you wrote, if you failed this test you will lose your country. So what? Absolutely. Yeah.

So what's the test here? So the test here is, so my, the two biggest things for me right now are to speak up in support of Western freedoms and to speak up against the anti-Semitism that's happening in Canada today. Those are the two things that are the biggest priorities for me. And those are the exact two things that were the goal, like the opposite, when I, you was growing up. So my family, community, everybody around me was interested in, A, dismantling all of the freedoms and values of the West and replacing it with Sharia. And of course, not just was anti-Semitism,

their goal, but full-on annihilation of all Jewish people and, of course, the state of Israel. So what we're seeing when they're taking these little baby steps, which, I mean, I talk about those baby steps from the 90s in my book and the tweet that you're referring to. like these steps have been going on for a very long time. Yeah. And we keep failing the tests over and over and over and over again. And by failing the test, what I mean is we are failing to stand up for our own values that are very hard-fought freedoms.

We're failing to stand up for them and instead we're capitulating to people who are coming in and making demands that their values be, you know, that they supersede, ours in our own countries. I compared it earlier. Some people say, oh, well, it's like a bell tolling at a church. I said, no, it's not. It would be like the closer comparison would be if the Lord's Prayer was being shouted. And I promise you, people have an issue with that.

But even if you compare the two, the Lord's Prayer version comes out on top because this foundationally, this country was founded on the values that were outcrops of the Judeo-Christian sort of religious matrix. That's it. Everything you say is true. Yeah. They are not the same. And if you want, if you want the call to prayer, and again, you want to pray, you

want to practice your religion, that's this country. But a call to prayer is not part of that. That is not mandatory to the religion from what I understand. You are 100% correct. And on top of that, when you look at the call to prayer, it is a call to Islamic supremacy. Yeah. If that call were in English, as opposed to a language, most Canadians don't understand, I suspect there may be a little more pushback.

100%. So in that way, it's way worse than the Lord's Prayer because it's not just saying we are Muslims and we believe and this is our faith. No, it's talking about the supremacy of Islam over other religions, the supremacy of Muslims over other people. And it's at the, this, this, this, but this is not the first occasion. I mean, this one is, this is one of many. There's a few cities across the country that allow this to happen. And I, I, again, I, I just, I feel that it's, it's an inching us towards something that people didn't sign up for. I would also venture to guess that, Yasmin, that this was not on the ballot in the last municipal election.

I mean, to think it's Saskatchewan, like, Regina. is the where this is happening you know what I mean like they they have so it's like they've they Toronto it's like we already got them yeah you know what I mean like they've already got the all the major city so like let's move in let's see how far we can go really that's what's going on here and the thing is is when I was growing up in this ideology these kinds of things are such huge morale boost yeah 9-11 massive morale boost obviously October 7th massive morale Boos, these kinds of things are wins. And they see them as signs and proof that the word of a law is supreme and winning over everybody, all the other religions and all the other gods and all

the other, you know, belief systems in the world. So when I say it's a test, I mean, it was so crazy that they used the word test. It really is a test on both sides. They are testing the wanders to see how far they can go. And we are being tested to see if we know how to stand up for our values or not. Yasmin, you're going to be sticking around for one more segment. We got lots to delve into because a lot of people are going to push back on things that I did not say. And just because I take issue with the call, that must mean I have a problem with the religion,

which I do not. So we'll talk about that next and a lot of other stuff when we come back right here on the Ben-Milernish. Welcome back. We are in conversation with Yasmin Mohammed, who has a very unique perspective on a lot of the stories that we have seen in Canada about the growing Islamist threat. And I want to be careful in case anybody misunderstood the portion of our previous conversation, Yasmin. When you were talking about these things as wins and 9-11 being a win, I want to be sure. I want to be sure. sure that I understood properly. I think what you meant was you were talking about the the Islamists within the community, not the community writ large that celebrates these things. Yeah, that's correct. I think it's important and this, us failing to distinguish between these two groups and obviously it's not very clear the difference between the two

groups, but us failing to distinguish the difference is what is causing our most, like our biggest problems. So you've got your Islamists, which are political Muslims, groups, people like my mom and the man that she married, et cetera, people who are all about the annihilation of Israel, the annihilation of Israel, the annihilation of America, Western freedoms, they want Sharia to take over, they want a global caliphate. And they're willing to do that through different methods. Yeah, I'll just. Yeah, please go. Okay. So they wanted, they're either going to use Islamist methods, are more diplomatic, you know, through immigration, etc., or they're going to be using more violent methods like jihadis terrorists.

At the end of the day, they have the same goal. And then you've got the average Muslims like my dad, who was somebody who grew up culturally Muslim, was never anti-Semitic, was never hateful, hated the hijab, was never interested in Islamic supremacy, right? Was never interested in subjugating women or gay people or killing gay people, actually. And so us failing to distinguish between these two groups allows Islamists to hide under this umbrella of religious freedom.

Yeah. Right. And if you say anything about their supremacist goals, then it's like, oh, that's racist and Islamophobic and bigotage. Well, exactly. If I were to, honestly, you have the ability to say certain things. I'm sure you're going to get pushed back, but I suspect you know how to handle your. But it's a tricky road to hoe because even if I'm exceptionally clear about distinguishing between those who have ill intent and the good and decent Muslims who want to build and have

been building Canada into a better version of itself for generations, of which I know a great many, this doesn't matter. I can trace the distinction. I will be told I am making no distinction. and there's this cognitive dissonance there. You're right, but at the end of the day, Ben, it's not about cognitive dissonance. It's not about misunderstanding. It's about trying to silence you.

It's just a tool that is used to stifle any criticism. So I'm co-director of the Clarity Coalition, along with a Muslim man, a Muslim American man named Dr. Zudy Jasser is running for Congress in Phoenix, Arizona. Him and I have started the Clarity Coalition together, a Muslim and an ex-Muslim. Like what could be more clear that the two of us are engaged in this fight against Islamists. And we have so many Canadians in our group, Jewish Canadians, Christian Canadians, Hindu, atheists, all sorts of Canadians, Muslim Canadians, Rahil Razah, who you might know of, who started Muslims against anti-Semitism. There are a lot of decent Muslims out there. There are a lot of decent all religions and faiths.

and across the political spectrum, there are a lot of decent people out there. And when we are speaking up against those who are not decent and those who are wanting to make themselves supreme and are trying to not only diminish our freedoms but annihilate our way of life, then that is something that needs to be said. Those are criticisms that need to be heard. Progress cannot happen as long as criticisms keep on being stifled. Well, and look, we've got a situation. We can see the future. We can see a version of the future.

Mike, is it in New Jersey? Is it the town in New Jersey that we were talking about where they outlawed gay pride? Now is Michigan. Hamtramic Michigan. Of course it's Michigan. Yes, where the city council is now in control, fully in control by, and it's a group of Muslims. And they banned, they banned pride. And they got, but so many of them got there because.

of their partnership and alliance with progressive groups. And then once they were able to control that group, control the levers of power, they didn't need those groups anymore. Exactly. And so what you're seeing happen, when you just described happening in Michigan, which is that the progressives, the leftists, et cetera,

they helped the Islamists to get to power. And then once the Islamists got to power, they turned around, they're like, we don't need you guys anymore, right? Yeah. This is exactly what happened in Iran. And this is what exactly keeps on half, has happened all over the Middle East, over and over and over again. They have perfected their strategy and now they're using it here in the West.

If the leftist, communist, socialist, progressives had it linked hands with the Islamists, then they would never have an Islamic regime today. Yeah. Right? And as soon as the Islamic regime came into power, first thing that they did was kill, in prison, right? A lot of those people were able to escape. A lot of my Iranian friends, their families were able to escape from Iran at that time.

And they all ran away. And as soon as they ran away, they're like, oh, my God, I can't believe what we've done. We've ruined our country. They've realized what they did, but it was too late. Yeah. Right. And the ones that are stuck there were, immediately force into hijab, hanging gay people from cranes, hanging, and everybody.

You have the littlest bit of hair coming out. You have nail polish. You have music. You're dancing, riding a bike, et cetera, et cetera, all of these things that these leftists thought that we're going to fight for our freedoms against the Shah. They ended up with absolutely no freedoms under the Islamic regime. And again, I'm going to, I'm going to be spending, well, I don't fight back against arguments I don't make. but there will be people who will ascribe words to me that I did not say. And when all I'm trying to do is recognize, I mean, look, your family came here for freedoms and your mother got, I don't know if you'd use the expression brainwashed, but got brainwashed into condemning and rejecting those very freedoms that I guess she was

probably looking for. It's a great irony. Yes. And she's not the. only one. This is a very common story. And a lot of times they're not coming here looking for freedoms necessarily. They're looking for job opportunities and clean air and education and health care and looking for, you know, it's opportunistic. And honestly, and some of those are also looking to spread a slam. So, you know, it's not always people that are coming, looking for freedom. Those who are coming and looking for freedom, then they can, it's here for. It's here for them. You know what I mean? Like Canada has been more than welcome, more than welcoming and saying,

please, you know what I mean? In fact, I believe that we need to focus more on our own nationalism. We have to focus more on our own Canadian values. We've spent too much time saying to every single group and there are so many groups in Canada. And when we say to each one of them, and it's great, it's fine, yes, please, we're not asking you to leave your culture at the door. But what we're saying is you're in Canada now. And we have shared values. And our shared values should be the focus. Yeah.

Right? Other parts of you are welcome as well, but what we share should be paramount. I am not a cultural relativist. I believe that if you are coming here, it's because we offer something better than where you came from. And unless we have institutions and mechanisms by which we can enforce that and inculcate that in those who are coming and ensure that that is. understood, then we are going to keep having things like this.

Because if you don't give people something to rally around, if you don't say this country that you're coming to is worthy of you adopting these shared values, then they will keep not just what we want them to bring, but they're going to bring the whole lot over. And that is not what we want. Yasmin Mohammed, I have so enjoyed this conversation. I hope we can have another one soon. Absolutely, Ben. Anytime.

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