The Ben Mulroney Show - Anyone critical of Pierre Poilievre's plan to bring back Plastic straws has lost the plot

Episode Date: April 22, 2025

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Welcome to the Ben Mulroney Show. It's the Tuesday edition of the Ben Mulroney Show. Now for you, it's the second day of the week. For me, it's the first day of the week because I have been off for a little bit. I went with the family down to Florida to visit for Easter. And there are some of you who hear that and say, oh, you went to the United States. You went into enemy territory. Give me a break. The weather's nicer there than it is here. I was there, deal with it. Tell you one thing I love about being down in Florida, besides the weather, you can go to a fast food restaurant and get a plastic straw. I did.

My son, my son had a hankering, I think that's the word, a hankering for an American fast food joint called Raising Canes. All they make is chicken fingers. And they have something called Cane Sauce, which is, if you believe social media, it's the cat's meow. And so I drove a half an hour to go get him Raising Canes.

Him, I got it for all of us, I'll be honest. And I brought back the food to the house and look, let me use the parlance of the children. The chicken fingers were mid. That's what they say. The cane sauce, fire. The straws, on point. I love plastic straws. I want my plastic straws back. And so I was clutching my pearls this morning when my colleague Kevin Frankish decided to jump on the performative bandwagon, the fear mongering that is being proffered by the federal liberals about how this is a tempest in a teapot. Let's listen to Kevin in his own words, shall we? Yes, and- That stupid policy. About how this is a tempest in a teapot. Let's listen to Kevin in his own word. Shall we?

Stupid policy At this point the campaign I just think the the it of course is trying to appeal To the lowest common denominator in their base to get them to bring back those plastic straws No, I've got other things I have to worry about right now Then whether or not my straw is plastic, is plastic, sorry, is paper or not. Well, I'll tell you in my day, in my day, we had plastic straws and you know what? We beat Hitler. That's what we're here.

We have a whole bunch of old men whining right now, oh my straw is disintegrating in my mouth, bring back plastic. Ladies and gentlemen, you know when I was a kid, my mom threw us in a back seat. Can we turn off his microphone? The topic, the focus of my ire, Kevin Frankish. Thank you so much for sticking around. How are you? Good to see you back. I'm well, sir. Okay.

Lots, lots to unpack there. First of all. No, there's not lots to unpack. It's stupid. And it's, it's, it's an argument that shouldn't even like, why are we even talking about this right now? Well, okay. All right, well okay, all right Kevin. What is the percentage of plastic straws that make up ocean waste? What's the percentage, what is the percentage?

It is not just the fact of plastic straws. It is the fact that we even think this is part of an election campaign. So you don't even wanna know, hold on, hold on. You don't even wanna know the number. I do wanna know the number, but I'm just telling you, it doesn't matter how small a percentage it is, it's plastic. And the whole thing is, let's get rid of plastic. I think it was stupid how we got rid of, why we got rid of plastic straws.

It was a video of a turtle with a straw in its nose. That was what really precipitated this. 0.025% of all plastic waste, 46% of oceanic waste is discarded fishing nets. Let's get rid of the plastic. We were promised in, hold on. We were promised in 2015, don't go backwards. We're going backwards.

We were promised in 2015 evidence-based policy, quote unquote, where is the evidence to suggest that plastic straws are such a problem that entire industries need to be shut down? Plastic, just simply plastic. Well then how much hope to God you don't have a cell phone. How much plastic. I know exactly and hopefully this is just the start, but we have frivolous plastic like plastic straws, plastic bags and all yes and all you have how much how much you asked me a number you asked me a number Ben

how much plastic do you consume a week how much plastic I consume what I need to consume you consume five grams of microplastic sure a week okay what do you think that that is doing to you what do you think it's doing to anything that ingest do you know what pf. What do you think that that is doing to you? What do you think it's doing to anything that ingests food or milk? Do you know what PFA's are? Those are the bad things in microwaves, right? PFA's are called forever chemicals. And those are the things that once you ingest them, they are in you forever. Do you know where they have PFA's? Paper straws, man. Paper straws. The carbon footprint of a plastic straw is lesser than a paper straw. But God forbid we stick with the plastic straw. And by the way, when we say, when we say plastic

straws, we're not talking just about plastic straws. We are talking about single use plastics because they were banned writ large. Do you want to explain to me how we are banning the plastic straw? We're banning the plastic bag, but then you go into shoppers where you have to, you have to pay 5 cents for a canvas bag and every single product that you buy, what is it covered by? Oh, I'm not saying that big businesses is at all virtuous whatsoever, but we, this is Earth Day then. This is Earth Day. Well, we have to be thinking. Let's do things that actually fix the Earth, Kevin. And this is-

This is performance at the highest order. And for you to suggest, oh, we've got other fish to fry. Tell a single mother who cannot afford to buy food for her kid that she can afford 33 cents a bag every time she goes to the store. Tell her that she is actually making a mountain out of a molehill. Anyone who is using single-use plastics realizes, they know that this is bad for the environment.

And I don't know why all of a sudden we stop caring about the environment, but right now, I know that right now Earth Day is useless because we've already gone to the tipping point. This Earth is doomed. Ah, I understand. It is. It really is. Really? Because I saw a study 10 years ago that said 5 years after that we were going to lose the planet. I saw a study 20 years ago that said 5 years after that we were going to lose the planet. I saw a study 30 years ago that said 10 years after this we were going to lose

the planet. I don't know when we're going to lose the planet but we are definitely tipping in that direction. No, no, you said we're past the tipping point. I think we are past the tipping point. That's what I mean. So then bring it all back, man. If it's going to burn, it's going to burn. I want my plastic straw on the way out. With that reasoning, I am going to 100% agree with you, Ben. Bring back plastic straws because those paper straws, you're so irritating for me.

But do you realize how demeaning it is when you talk like that about people for whom this is an, Because it's the same people who are saying, why are we wearing seat belts? When I was a kid, my mom threw me into a, why are we wearing bike helmets? You know what? That is not what it is. I didn't wear a bike helmet as a kid.

Kevin, you are putting the, you are putting the focus on the wrong thing. It was the government that started focusing on something that was not an issue. It affected the world in no meaningful way. It was an issue raised by environmentalists. Government jumped on it. It was a virtue signaling of the highest order.

It was a virtue signaling that has done absolutely nothing. And may I also say one thing, not for nothing, there is something inadvertently racist about banning of single-use plastics. Oh, absolutely. There are certain cultures that have soup-based diets. And so you think of Vietnamese, you think of other cultures cultures like that where if you buy something from them at a On ubereats you you need a straw you need a spoon try eating pho with a paper goddamn spoon Oh, don't tell me that doesn't negatively affect them. Okay

You just get to end the conversation Can I throw my headsets down? Can I slam them down? You can throw them down because I'm gonna take calls after there's a 416-870-6400 or a 1-888-225 talk. The question is simple. How wrong is Kevin Frankish? Give me a call and let me know.

Oh, I love you, man. I love you. Kevin, great to see you. I like to get fired up first thing in the morning. I'll see you tomorrow. Round of applause for Kevin Frankish. We will see you guys on the other side of the break on the Ben Mulroney Show.

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Welcome back to the Ben Mulroney Show and we came in hot this morning. Kevin Frankish was kind enough to sit in for the first segment and defend the indefensible that for some reason we got to get rid of plastic straws to save the earth. Pierre Poliev wants to bring them back. Mark Carney decided that he was going to give his opinion on the return of plastic straws. The world economy is fundamentally changed. The relationship... Oh, no, that's not it. The relationship... Never mind. Let world economy is fundamentally changed. The relationship. Oh, no, that's nevermind.

Let's get rid of that. We'll talk. We'll hear from him later. My I do apologize. I thought that was him talking about the lack of vision of Pierre Paul yet because we got it's such a non-issue. Well, I do believe it is an issue.

And I put the call to you at 416-870-6400 or one triple eight two two five talk. I asked you how wrong is Kevin Frankish? And your answers are coming fast and furious. Jim, welcome to the Ben Mulroney Show. Hi, how are you? I'm well, thank you. Okay, I say you won that hands down. Thank you.

Because you used fact. Okay? A bit discouraged. You know, Kevin got a bit emotional. Well, very emotional. Well, it was all in good fun, to bit discouraged. You know, Kevin got a bit emotional. Well, very emotional. Well, it was all in good fun to be fair. Well, I just hope you have a safe room. He can go and just be there. But, but here's my, here's my point straws, plastic bags. I used to go to Loblaws, Sobeys. They put my stuff in plastic bags. I put my garbage in it.

My kid would take their, their lunch to school in it. Yeah. Now I don't get that. Right. Oh yeah. put my garbage in it, my kid would take their lunch to school in it. Yeah. Now I don't get that, right? Oh yeah. But I walk into Loblaw's, they have 80 linear feet, four shelves, 20 feet long of plastic bags I can buy. So doesn't that sound a bit hypocritical?

Of course it is. It's nonsensical. It's nonsensical. And again, the blame has to be placed somewhere. Somebody at some point decided to start this conversation. And in order to do it, you have to demonize an entire industry. And you heard Kevin say, he's like,

we've got to get rid of plastic, we've got to get rid of plastic. Until there is a viable alternative and there is nothing on the horizon, plastic is the best we've got. And if we can produce it in an environmentally sustainable way, if we can recycle as best as we can, if we can reuse, as you said, the plastic bags that we get from Loblaws, and I would reuse mine every day.

Every plastic bag that we ever got from Loblaws was probably reused 10, 15 times. Not kidding. How many times you... All I do is buy these canvas bags like they're going out of style. Jim, thank you so much for your call. We've done nothing to help the environment, and all we've done is hurt industry. And by the way, we've lessened our enjoyment of these things. When I go, it's going to sound stupid, but it's my lived experience, so you can't take it away from me. The fact is, I love going to the movies, and I hate drinking my Diet Coke at the movies now.

Why? Because I'm sucking through cardboard, and it changes the experience. I love getting my fountain drink at the movies, and less so today. And I'm sorry, I'm paying more than ever before I should be able to enjoy it anyway I GD want. Welcome to the show. George, what do you say? Hey, Ben, how are you? Your favorite guy, George from Nesbitt. Hey, George, welcome. Happy Tuesday. Nobody could be any more wrong than Kevin Frank is on almost

everything. But on this particular topic he is definitely more wrong. I run food trucks you know the Kobe Chipper and Koba Konk Ontario and First Place Brice and uh in uh Gavin Ontario and it costs five to ten times as much for these stupid wooden ports and these stupid paper straws and customers hate them. I'll tell you what we found a source right and we got plastic straws and plastic ports that are chip trucks. You should hear the customers, my friend. They're like oh my god you guys got plastic straws? Can I have two feet? Can I have two? Yeah. Anyway, you know what? Conservatives, conservatives typically are in favor of what does good and liberals only

care about what feels good. Well, thank you very much, my friend. I appreciate it. I hope you have a great week. Sonja, welcome to the Ben Mulroney Show. Good morning, Ben. Good morning. So the question to you is how wrong is Kevin Frankish? So wrong. I'm sorry, Kevin. You know what, I've had paper straws and a drink. I haven't

even finished my drink when it starts to disintegrate. And for plastic bags, I use them everywhere else. And this is like a make money thing. We're turning to paper, we're not giving out plastic bags so people can buy plastic bags to put their garbage in. How ridiculous is that? And that's my point, like they never, the people who are pushing for this change of paradigm never follow their illogical train to its conclusion. Were they to do it, the entire system that they've created in their own mind falls apart. It's, you want to get rid of, the consumer who depends on these things to enjoy their products, to make their lives easier

are deprived of those things because we are being told that if we don't do that, the planet will burn. And then- That is horrible. That is just garbage. It was disingenuous. It's also, it's demonizing an industry that is quite literally in a lot of ways helped

to build the society that we have today. You take care of you get rid of plastic, you get rid of your iPhone, you get rid of your glasses, you get rid of your running shoes, you get rid of your tires, you get rid of half of the things inside your car in your home, you get rid of all of those things because we also plastic is bad. Give me a break. Can we live in reality? And can you not talk to me like I'm a

friggin' idiot? Because I'm not and I deserve better. Sonja, thank you so much. Deon, welcome to the show. Yep. Hello? Hello, yes. So on a scale of one to ten, one being Kevin is very wrong, and ten, Kevin is not of this earth. How wrong is Kevin? He's not of this earth. He's very wrong. Very, very wrong. I just wanted to point out my wife is celiac and they... Oh, Deon, your wife is celiac. Sorry, start that over. We lost you. Your wife is celiac and? And they use wheat as a binder in paper straws. Yeah. No, you're right.

She can't have wheat, right? She gets these pains if anybody is celiac, right? They get, you know, severe pains if they interact with any type of wheat. Right. So well, she's got to sacrifice for the planet, my friend. She's got to take one for the team without that. The whole the whole thing falls apart, man. Dion, thank you for the call. And I appreciate it. Let's not forget the bleach. Let's not forget the bleach that they put into those straws.

It is nonsense. And again, you have to be, to believe this, to buy this whole hog and to be so, to turn your nose down at people who say, hey, bring back plastic straws. Oh, we have other stuff. No, you're the people who set us on this path. Pierre Poliev is only suggesting we right the ship.

We bring a little bit of common sense back to a nonsensical situation. And I'm very glad that he's doing it. And anybody who pushes back on that should really just answer a few simple questions. Mike, welcome to the show. Well, I have to go eight out of 10 that Kevin's wrong, because I could never give Kevin 10 out of 10 that Kevin's wrong because I could never give Kevin 10 out of 10. Okay. He's a very good guy. I actually tried to call in earlier and I was going to give you both double miners for roughing.

But anyway, I actually have plastic straws at home. You can buy them in a package and you actually come with a little brush to clean them out. And I've used the same straws now for about six months. There you go. To clean and not throw them away. They're here. If you go by the liberals and Carney, now we're against plastic, I believe earlier is against steel. So now no steel, no plastic. Yeah.

That's gonna be awesome. Yeah, no. Like, can we all just admit like, how big is the problem you're trying to solve? The plastic straw is not a problem compared to the other big problems that we could solve if we actually cared. And I go back to the number I stated before. Forty-six percent of ocean plastic in the Great Pacific Garbage Patch is made up of fishing nets. Zero point zero point zero point zero two five percent is plastic straws. How serious are we if we're not going after this 46%,

but instead we're going after 0.025%? The answer is clear. We don't care about the plastic in the ocean. We don't. We care about killing the Canadian oil and gas system because the plastic comes from oil and gas. That's what the end game is. Make no mistake, and anybody who tells you otherwise

is at best disingenuous and at worst a liar. Chris, welcome to the show. Hey, Ben, I just want to say I miss Greg Brady, but best of luck to him on Monday. But Frank is wrong. I mean, if Frank were to look at all of his clothing, polyester just equals plastic. If he wants to ban that, then he's going to be walking outside nude. All of the things that we consume that are in this world are made of plastic or derivative of plastic. I think, yeah, there's alternatives, maybe stainless steel straws for at home for their use, but the businesses need to use single-tossed. Nobody wants a soggy spoon that breaks down or a soggy straw.

And Chris, if I could say, by the way, like those who would suggest, oh, use an aluminum straw and bring your canvas bags. It is the height of privilege to use the language of the progressive left for you to think that it is that easy for a single mother of three to be carting around canvas bags and bringing an aluminum straw with her. She is not an Instagram influencer, okay, who's got 30 minutes to make a coffee at home and cut fruit into shapes for her kids in their little bento boxes that she sends them to school with that is not the reality that most people live in and if you think it is you are that oh I get this I get to say it check your privilege check your effing privilege welcome to the show Anthony hey good morning Ben honestly I

think it's less about the plastic straws and more about how easy is the government to take away our privileges actually and just our regular way of living life. Have you ever tried to drink an ice cap out of a paper straw? Right away my purchasing of ice caps have gone down because of the fact that it's a paper straw. That is disgusting. So I think what Kevin lost the plot is he thinks that you can easily go and take our freedoms and privileges away and basically affect how we live. You ever been to Florida? Every single

cocktail they put like four straws in it. Now it is Florida. Yeah. And thank you so much for the call I appreciate. Thank you. Thanks to each and every one of you for getting this call. That was a fun way to start the show. I jumped in the deep end and loved every second of it. Welcome back to the Ben Mulroney show and we're gonna pivot to another conversation. There's a piece in the national post entitled, the system isn't working for them.

Why young men are rallying around Pierre Poliev. And there's a number in this article that says that young men are coalescing around the conservative leader. The movement has not been universal with the age group. A March poll by abacus says 41 percent of men under 30 supported the conservatives compared to 23 percent of young women. And another piece that really stood out to me, it said, speaking of one man in particular,

yet another reason he began aligning himself with political conservatism is his belief that Canada has progressed too far to the left politically. He said young men have been left politically alienated. Quote, I think there's an epidemic of men right now who are being criticized for normal things men do. Pacone said a number of his young male friends feel the same way. Quote, there are a lot of social media posts going around

saying, hey, you shouldn't be this, you shouldn't be that, he said. I agree. I agree. I agree. I think that there has been a push over the last, let's call it 10 years, maybe a little more, maybe a little less, where the, what was standard stock and trade,

male behavior has been demonized. It has been vilified. It has been, we are trying to train it out of young men. The idea of, first of all, there being any sort of differences between men and women is being erased. And by the way, I'm trying to be overly political here. These are just facts. These are facts, if you had eyes and ears

and you've been reading and listening, then these are facts, and if you dispute them, then you're gonna have to tell me why I'm wrong. But the idea that the competition that is specific to boys, the way we play as young boys, the things that we gravitate towards, all of these things we're being told are toxic. Competition has become aggressive. We are regressive. And so all of these things are we're being told are toxic. Competition has become aggressive.

We are regressive. And so all of these things are, we're being told these are problems that need to be overcome in society. In other words, straight white men are a problem that needs to be overcome for us to become a better society. And you hear that enough. And when you hear that you are the problem,

then all it takes is for somebody to come out and offer solutions to problems. And they don't say you're the problem. In fact, you're part of the solution. We want you to be builders again. We want you to be providers. We want you to be homeowners. We want you to be entrepreneurs.

We want you to take care of your families. We want you to be able to have as many kids as you want and be able to afford a home on a safe street. These are some of the reasons that I believe straight young men are gravitating towards the Tories. And I want to hear from you at 416-870-6400 or 1-888-225 talk. Have we gone too far and alienated men? Are we disenfranchising young men? And I've said this before, I'll say it again, in my personal lived experience, I have seen some of the most disgusting behavior I've ever seen in interpersonal relationships has come from women.

I have seen the most destructive, toxic behavior coming from women that I have known. And so it is not specific to me. There are bad people on both sides to use the parlance of our times. I have seen terrible, destructive, evil, corrosive behavior coming from women. And in a lot of cases, some of the worst behavior

I've ever seen in say professional settings or social settings has come from women. And you will never hear me say that it is, that those are personality traits that we will tar and feather the entire gender with. These are just bad people. There are terrible people. Some have XX chromosomes, some have XY.

And we have gone down a path of a society where we've identified that the worst behavior comes from men. And when you ostracize them and marginalize them and put them in a silo and say, that's the problem. And if we can get rid of the problem, society will be better. Of course, men are going to gravitate to a man who says, we have problems and you're not that you're not the problem.

As a matter of fact, we cannot become a better society if we don't take better care of you. Because whether you like it or not, the vast majority of tradespeople, the vast majority of engineers, the vast majority of construction workers and people in high risk jobs are men. And if you wanna build the society of the future, then you need to have the people

who will be doing the building and those are men. And if you don't show them a modicum of respect, and if you don't respect what motivates them, and instead if you try to shoehorn what motivates them into some sort of toxic nomenclature, you're gonna lose them. And they're going to find a home somewhere else. And to suggest that anybody who wants to call me,

because I know that there are gonna be people lining up, taking shots at my perspective right now, saying, oh, lumping me in with some of those terrible people online. That dog don't hunt. That dog don't hunt. Let's welcome to the show Scott. Scott, welcome to the Ben Mulroney Show.

Hey, good morning sir, how are you? I'm well, thank you. Excellent, excellent, happy Easter, I guess, passed. Yes, indeed, welcome to the Ben Mulroney show. Hey, good morning, sir. How are you? I'm well, thank you. Excellent, excellent. Happy Easter, I guess, passed. Yes, indeed. And to you too. Yeah, you know what? I'm thinking that it kind of starts younger than that.

I have two boys, one's 10, one's 14, and I really think that they kind of sucked the masculinity out of us starting then now, it seems, over the last decade or so. You know, they're not allowed to be rough and tumble. They're not allowed to do things at all. They're, they're boys, you know. Oh, yeah. Expressions like boys will be boys. Oh, no, no, that's, you know, you're contributing to a toxic, a toxic environment. And by the way, the bait and switch was really subtle, but was done really well. What was called anything that is masculine

has been called toxic masculinity. And they've found a way to make them one in the same and to suggest otherwise is to, I don't know, let's use the expression because it's right there. Oh, it's to reinforce the patriarchy, right? And we're back to 2015. Hey, Alan, welcome to the Ben Mulroney Show. Hey, Ben, how are you? I'm well, thank you. Yeah, no, I don't think it's only just young men. It's young women, myself, my girlfriend,

we're in our mid-30s. We can't afford a home in the city. We can't afford to have kids. And I've been door knocking for a campaign and you go to the door and you the older generation, the boomers, the gray hairs and they're just fixated on Carney and you can't convert them to Pierre. It's it's like a cult. Yeah, and there's there's there's definitely a there's there's definitely a lack of communication between the two. I mean, I wish a lot of these,

the older Canadians who are lining up behind Carney would listen to the younger people in their lives, the people who will be, you know, their kids and their grandkids and hearing their issues and voting along community lines as opposed to what they think is their self-interest. And also the fear that has been indoctrinated and inculcated into a certain type of older Canadian.

I wish they wouldn't vote out of fake fear and instead would embrace real hope, but I'm just one man with a microphone. Thanks so much for the call. Hey Sue, welcome to the show. Oh, hi, Ben. First of all, your show is amazing. Thank you.

I just discovered it a week and a half ago and I think you are super positive and passionate without being angry. So a perfect voice for a community that felt really isolated. Thank you very much. I appreciate that. Oh, thank you. Thank you.

Okay. So my perspective is I have a daughter and a son. They're both in their 20s. They're both engineers, graduated from a great school. Well, first of all, congratulations on having such high achievers in the family. Thank you. Okay. So they are both brilliant, but my son honestly is a little more intelligent. They both applied to several scholarships, both of them. And my son did not get one and my daughter, I think she got at least 10. What? So, yes. So that just shows that he applied knowing that he was not going to get them.

Yeah. But he did it anyway. And yeah, he never got one. And he's the brilliant one. She's very smart too, but he's a step above. And also to find jobs, my daughter got a job way faster than my son did. He had to fight, he fought for a year to get a job. And my daughter got one year after. The world doesn't need more men. We're being told the world doesn't need more straight men.

We are the problem. We are a problem to be overcome. And that's got, look, I'm 49. I'm old enough to be able to reject nonsense like that. But when you're young and still trying to find out who you are and the world is telling you that you are an obstacle that needs to be overcome in order for us to be a better society.

That's got a way. That's got a way on you. And I feel really bad for him. But something tells me that your son is going to find a way to be a success. And I thank you so much, Sue. Thanks for the call. All right, let's take another call.

Brandon, welcome to the Ben Mulroney Show. Hey, Ben. I just tuned in and I heard someone saying that old people are fixated on carny. And I'm not necessarily an old person. But I don't think it's the case that people are fixated on carney and I'm not necessarily an old person But I don't think it's the case that people are fixated on carney. The problem is is that piers got He's just not likable and I know a lot of my friends We were sick and tired of Trudeau

He definitely had to go but pierre wasn't the option either and then when carney came in Most of people I know are like, that's a better option. Pierre was never likable right from the beginning, his voting record, a lot of things about this guy that, he just, we need better kids from the conservatives so people like me would wanna vote for them. Yeah, I mean, listen, I mean,

listen, everyone is entitled to their vote if you wanna vote for somebody who's not promising to bring back any sort of fiscal responsibility of the federal government after 10 years of some of the most profligate spending that we've ever seen, I don't think that I'm gonna be able to change your mind in the next few minutes.

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