The Ben Mulroney Show - Ben asks why are we dragging our feet on meeting Donald Trump's border demands?

Episode Date: February 10, 2025

Guests and Topics: -Trump's inflammatory comments, we're a week since a tariff reprieve and still no fentanyl Czar, and what on earth are we doing booing the American National anthem? If you enjoyed the podcast, tell a friend! For more of the Ben Mulroney Show, subscribe to the podcast! https://globalnews.ca/national/program/the-ben-mulroney-show Follow Ben on Twitter/X at https://x.com/BenMulroney Enjoy Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome to the Monday edition of the Ben Mulroney Show. Thank you to everyone listening on CFPL in London. Thank you to everybody listening on 640 Toronto. Really appreciate it. I don't know about you, a little rough this morning after the Super Bowl. I sorta tuned out, I'm not gonna lie. Midway through the third when it was looking like

it was out of reach for the Kansas City Chiefs. They made a, I guess they made a move at one point, but it was what it was. And you know, Kendrick Lamar, whether you like him or not, he did his thing. And I don't understand what happened to these shows at that Super Bowl where, yes, you could have a Kendrick Lamar,

but at some point there would be somebody else who would would come on stage who would appeal to a different demographic. You tried to hit as many quadrants as you could because this is the definition of a mass appeal event. You know, people from all walks of life love football. I don't know why you wouldn't try, at least in some way, even a performative way to appeal to people who either don't like Kendrick Lamar or don't even know Kendrick Lamar. For some people, you know, it's hip hop is anathema to who they are. And so listen, Kendrick Lamar is one of the greats. I personally thought the show was good, but I was sitting with some people who've never even heard of Kendrick Lamar.

And so I don't understand what happened to broadening the appeal of that show. Unless Kendrick said he didn't want anybody else, but I'm pretty sure the Super Bowl tells you what to do and you like it. We're not gonna pay you if you want anything beyond the budget that we have given you for your show, you gotta pay for it what to do and you like it. We're not gonna pay you if you want anything beyond the budget that we have given you for your show

and you gotta pay for it out of your own pocket like the weekend did. But anyway, I'm sure the ratings are gonna bear it out. We're gonna be talking later on in the show about the value of a Super Bowl ad. And of course, Donald Trump finds a way to make news beyond the Super Bowl, because I believe, I can't remember who said it,

Donald Trump doesn't like it when other people make news. And the Super Bowl was gonna take all of his headlines. So he came out from Air Force One, announcing 25% tariffs on all imports of steel and aluminum, not just from Canada, we weren't singled out this time, but from around the world. And he's done this before to Canada with I think 25% on aluminum and,

or 25% on steel and 10% on aluminum years ago. That got lifted, but he's doing it again. And my producer and I were talking about this before the show. How does that hurt? And this is an honest good faith question. If anyone wants to call in and let me know, how does that hurt Canadian steel and aluminum

if there is no competitive disadvantage? Because everyone across the world that sells to the United States is going to be hit with the same 25 percent tariffs. I struggle to see how that gives us a competitive disadvantage versus anybody else because we're all in the same boat together. Everything across the board around the world cost 25% more. I mean, it's not good. I know that. But I'd like to know how bad it is. So if anybody has any information to share, please let me know.

And then Donald Trump again, mused about Canada becoming the 51st state. I talked directly to Brett Baer about it on Fox News. Let's listen. Now, the prime minister said this weekend to a group of Canadian businessmen, he was a private meeting, he said that your wish for Canada to be the 51st state is a, quote, real thing. Is it a real thing? Yeah, it is. I think Canada would be much better off being a 51st state because we lose

$200 billion a year with Canada and I'm not going to let that happen. It's too much. Why are we paying $200 billion a year essentially in subsidy to Canada? Now, if they're a 51st state, I don't mind doing it. Okay, so I want to put all of that nonsense aside. The, you know, Donald Trump's belief that Canada could be the 51st state and the $200 billion subsidy, all that nonsense. Instead, I wanna focus on what he said, what Brett Baer said off the top, where he said that Prime Minister Justin Trudeau

at a private event said that you are serious. And I'd like to harken all the way back to the very first meeting at Mar-a-Lago, right after the inauguration. So let's say that was in early December, maybe late November, all the way back then when this happened. First, that comment about Canada becoming the 51st state wasn't released by the government.

That was told to us through the press, only confirmed later on by the government. And when it was, we were told it was a joke. You remember that? We were told by the people sitting at the table that it was a joke. And now we find ourselves today in a time where our prime minister

and not to the Canadian people and not in front of parliament, but to a private gathering of friends and family and donors or whomever, that this is a serious threat. So were you lying then or are you lying now? And why are you not telling it to the Canadian people in front of a microphone where we can all hear? Why are we gleaning this from information from a private event? The lack of accountability by this government right now is astounding. It's astounding.

And if I hear one more person on my social media say, well, what about Doug Ford and his early election call? Do him. Give me a break if you cannot tell the difference between the anti-democratic process of proroguing parliament during an existential threat and a guy who's trying to get a bigger majority. And by the way, he may fail. The people may say, we've had enough of you

and reduce them to something lesser. That's democracy in action. I didn't want either of these, but one of them is palatable to me because I can hold one to account. Meanwhile, the house is on fire and our prime minister is nowhere to be seen. Oh, except at private meetings, except at private meetings.

And last week, last week I took Canadians to task for this rise of quote unquote patriotism, when in fact nothing has changed on the ground in this country. There is nothing to be more or less proud of today than there was six weeks ago. Our history hasn't changed, our institutions haven't changed,

our geography hasn't changed, our international agreements haven't changed. The only thing that's changed is that an orange man doesn't like us. And for that reason, we've seen a spike, a rise in pride. So people who wanted to erase our history, people who referred to us as quote, so-called Canada, people calling us a colonial genocidal mess of a nation,

all of a sudden are wrapping themselves in the flag. These are the same people who start booing the American national anthem. And I took issue with that. I said I would never boo the American national anthem because I know what it means to be Canadian and it certainly doesn't mean denigrating other countries. And then, well, let's listen

to what happened at a Raptors game. Would you please welcome 15 year old, Kyra Daniel. You know what, turn it off. It's gross. It's gross. Those people should be ashamed of themselves. You could see her face. You heard she's gross. It's gross. Those people should be ashamed of themselves. You could see her face.

You heard she was 15. She's a black girl singing the national anthem at a Raptors game, probably the highlight of her life. She's in a wheelchair. She's a black girl during Black History Month. And you boo her because you're angry at Donald Trump? You don't know the first thing about being proud of Canada

if you think that that is an exhibition of Canadian pride, that is disgusting, that is beneath this nation. And every person who participated in that should be ashamed of themselves, ashamed of themselves. Who the hell do you think you are? You, I guarantee you, you don't know the first thing, but you don't have a reason to be proud of Canada if you feel that that is a proper demonstration of your pride. That's disgusting. Absolutely disgusting.

Welcome back to the Ben Mulroney Show. So before the break, we heard from Brett Baer that our prime minister has said that the threat to Canada becoming the 51st state by Donald Trump is real. Okay, that wasn't what we heard, you know, in December that it was a joke, but that's real. And we know that the the eventual tariffs that Donald Trump wants to lay on Canada are very real. We know that today 25% tariffs on aluminum and steel are coming into effect for all countries.

But that's okay, because Justin Trudeau has a plan. He has a plan and he told, well, he told a group of, a private group of I guess friends, families and donors about what that plan is. Let's listen to the details of that plan. So we need to both start thinking tactically and strategically.

On the tactical side, we need to talk about tariffs. The 30 days extension been given on the border or fentanyl tariffs is something we need to use. We need to be very deliberate about how we continue to engage closely with the United States to make the case and demonstrate that Canada is responsible for a be part of solving for this. And over the next 30 days, we will demonstrate that even the tiny amount that is Canada's responsibility into the United States is going to reduce even further by working together, not just across our border, but internationally as well. Okay, a couple of things. One, pay very close attention to what he said. We need to start thinking tactically. We need to start thinking strategically.

Are you kidding me? By the way, the clock is ticking, Mr. Prime Minister. It's not 30 days anymore, it's closer to 20. These are things we need to start doing? Who the heck is in charge in Ottawa if this is what we have to start doing and pay attention what he didn't say he didn't give us one GD detail not one not one actual issue not one number not one statistic not one policy initiative

nothing that was all general word salad and you know who's had enough Doug Ford you know what the Trump administration wants? They've been very, very clear. They've been clear to me. They've been clear to everywhere in North America. They need to tighten up the border. It's been four days. The federal government says we're going to get a border czar.

That's what the Trump administration wants. What takes four days to figure this out? And now it's a border czar. We need to see the helicopters in the air. We need to see the drones in the air. We need to see, make sure we have the boats in the water. We need to see the boots on the ground. That's the action the Trump administration wants. They've stressed it to everyone. They've been transparent. They've been out there. Let's stop the flow of drugs going back and forth across the border. And I got to wonder why hasn't happened yet. The cynic in me suggests that there are

certain types of politicians that want this crisis. They want this crisis because if they, if we have a crisis, we're not focused on our internal politics. And so from a political standpoint, this makes a whole lot of sense for the incumbents, because then they get to hang on to power just a little while longer. But I want to hear from you, 416-870-6400 or 1-888-225 talk, why are we wasting time? What is taking so long?

Why can't anything happen? What is so hard with actually taking action on something that's supposedly one of the biggest threats that we as a nation have encountered in a generation. And I say generation, might as well be three, four, five generations. Doug Ford is right. Name a border czar. The rubber needs to meet the road.

Enough with the talking, enough with the the planning enough with the performative nonsense try being a leader for a second and lead make a decision unless it's not in your interest you know if you listen to what Justin Trudeau said he's not really listening to Canadians he's telling us how we're supposed to feel about things yet again he only wants to hear what you have to say in so far as then he can tell you why you're wrong or what's and I get it all the time. I'm not on Team Canada apparently because I'm taking issue with this do nothing Prime Minister. I say this is the wrong tactic that we should be listening to the Daniel Smith's of the world who actually have the ear of the president and I'm somehow a traitor These are the same people by the way booing a 15 year old in a chair in a wheelchair But the clock is ticking and Donald Trump waits for no man

The Someone said if if the drones were in the air and the helicopters were patrolling and the boots were on the ground, we would see that on the news every single night. This prime minister would want us to know that he was doing something. So the fact that we don't see it leads me to believe we ain't doing anything. Jonathan, welcome to the Ben Mulroney show. Oh, hi, Ben. Yeah, I agree with basically all the everything that you have been saying. I think this points out

and highlights the fact we have a very broken government. We have how many liberal MPs? Over 100 liberal MPs. They all seem to have disappeared. The house is prorogued. We have a lame duck prime minister

making decisions behind the scenes. Nothing is getting done. We keep hearing how urgent the situation is with the US. But why isn't Parliament sitting? There is absolutely no excuse. Every MP is doing behind the scenes and nothing is getting done. And we keep hearing how urgent the situation is with the US, but why isn't parliament sitting? There's absolutely no excuse. Every MP is getting paid $200,000

and they're nowhere to be seen. Either it is a crisis or it isn't a crisis. If it is a crisis, recall parliament and deal with the issues. That's their job. Like I'm on my way to work, where are the MPs? That's what they're paid to do. And what they would say, my detractors would say,

well, Ben, you also support the government falling. And so, you know, so how much work is going to get done? More work would get done in an election campaign right now than it is currently getting done. And that would be an exercise in democracy, which is better than what we are experiencing right now. It is shameful that people think that because, by the way, the conservative government has been begging for and demanding and pleading for an election for over a year, over a year, and then this threat is

looming and now because Justin Trudeau has created the circumstances that make it so, oh, this would happen during a crisis, it's because he wanted it to happen during a crisis so that anybody calling for an election would somehow be anti-Canadian. A hundred percent that's what's going on. Marcus, welcome to the Ben Mulroney show. Hi Ben, can you hear me? I'm underground here. I can hear you.

Okay, really quick. If you know that Poli of guy, tell him it's very simple. You don't need to waste money on drones and helicopters and hundreds of millions of dollars on refugees. You have to just change the laws. Change those CBSA officers followed the Customs Act and the Immigration Refugee Protection Act. If you change the Customs Act so that those officers are officers anywhere in Canada and

change the Immigration Refugee Protection Act so they can send anyone back for any reason that they deem responsibly necessary, then you will save hundreds of millions of dollars and save Canada. Yeah, well, listen, it would be nice if Pierre Poliev was in a position to actually change the laws. But as of right now, not only is he still the leader of the opposition, but he's not even in the House of Commons to hold this government to account. The anti-democratic instincts of this liberal government should be laid bare for everybody to see.

And if people don't wanna see it, they are willfully blind to it. Dave, welcome to the show. How you doing? I'm well. I just think to myself, I've been telling everybody I know to get ahold of your MPs and demand an investigation because when Trudeau went to Mar-a-Lago, he came back and right away

Christopher Freeland quit, she knew what was going on, he knew what was going on, he prorogued government, he knows exactly what Trump is up to and then this live mic that he knows that he is not joking about annexing Canada,

whether or not he does, you know what I mean? He knows that that is going on. That is treason. He knows that he's not joking about annexing Canada, whether or not he does, you know what I mean? He knows that that's going on. That's treason. That's absolutely treason. Well, listen, the fact is he said one thing months ago,

and now he's saying something completely different. When the joke was first revealed, and it was revealed by the press, not by Justin or his team, he then had to say, oh no, he was it was just an off color joke. Oh, really? Because he's doing everything to undermine our national sovereignty and our economic independence, which is like it's sort of sort of the first steps you need to do before

before beginning negotiations with a weakened adversary to take them over. Cam, we got time for one more call before the break. Welcome to the show. Trump once again has changed up the scenario. Now it's on aluminum. That's fine, everybody relax. It's worldwide. Trump is on a worldwide escapade

and the world is pushing back. So we just relax, see if it comes in, then we go to work. Certain stuff we tariff, certain stuff we don't. The Americans will be paying for it. California has already told them they need American lumber. Did you see the tariffs come off of lumber? No.

So they're paying the cost that Americans have to realize it. That's where we're missing it. Let's get the word out to the Americans and on every American show, we should remind Americans that they have the deficit with us. Well, Cam, thank you very much. I mean, I think we've been doing that and yet we still find ourselves with this, this, this, this tariff threat looming over our heads and looming over our necks. So yeah, patience, but patience married with actual action. And I'm not seeing any action. I'm hearing a plan for a plan for a plan and enough, enough. If this is the Team Canada approach, then the Team Canada approach is insufficient. Or maybe the head of the Team Canada approach

is the wrong guy. Welcome back to the Ben Mulroney show and we have been talking about Team Canada and how we've got a plan for a plan for a plan, but nothing seems to be happening. And let's let's take a few more calls on this subject. Let's welcome Paul to the show. Paul, what do you think? Hey, Ben. I'm well. Well, you know, I don't know about you, but it's pretty hard to get anything done in life

when you're constantly traveling all over the world, different time zones, having nice dinners and bottles of wine and magic cons or whatever his name is, funeral and, you know, like this, this guy is just so typical of him and how he gets rooted in, I'll never understand it. Yeah, no, it's, to me, this, what we're witnessing is one of the most anti democratic campaigns that I've seen in my lifetime, this unwillingness to allow Canadians the right to hold this minority government minority government that is long in the tooth and long in scandal to account. And for some reason, it's not getting people's blood boiling as it does mine. Al, welcome to the Ben Mulroney

show. Hi, Prime Minister Mulroney. Lindsay, how you doing? I'm well, thanks. Let's, I'm 100%. You're 100% correct. You imagine these jokers of his World War Two, we were under invasion threat by Germany or Russia or whatever. 100% Parliament has to be recalled. The reason you're upset and I'm upset is because, well, you're more informed than I am,

but people that are informed about politics or what's going on are upset. The majority, it's just the raw raw kind of, not patriots, it's anti-American. And that's dangerous. It's jingoism. It's blind nationalism. And these forces on social media,

they're pushing back against people like myself who are criticizing the government saying, get in line, get in line behind this prime minister. It's like, okay, show me what he's done that warrants my respect right now. Show me what he's done. How has he helped this country? And they're playing on that.

And that's what they're famous for. Can you, it's just unbelievable. But the majority, if you just talk to regular people and stuff, they all, this is all anti-American. It's so dangerous. And that's what the liberals are paying for. And we can't get them out. We can't get them out. And that's, and Trump knows that.

He's not going to invade. He needs to, this has to go through Congress and the Senate. It's not going to invade. He needs to, this has to go through Congress and the Senate. It's not a dictatorship. It's like, they only have so much he can do with executive order. That's, that's in my opinion. So I'm a Johnny McDonald fan and I appreciate you airing that. As am I, as am I. Hey Al, thank you so much for the call.

But I guess the question is like, how do we stop reacting to everything Donald Trump says? You know, we've, you know, we've got our own issues here. So many of them, yes, are tied to him. But then he says stuff, right? What was the last thing he said? Canada assumes we're going to, America is going to protect Canada forever. You know, they don't pay very much for military. And the reason they don't pay much is they assume that we're going to protect them.

That's not an assumption they can make because why are we protecting another country? Now, I love the people of Canada. I love the people of Canada. I love the people of Canada. I love the people of Canada. I love the people of Canada. I love the people of Canada. I love the people of Canada. I love the people of Canada. I love the people of Canada. And the reason they don't pay much is they assume that we're going to protect them. That's not an assumption they can make because why are we protecting another country? Now, I love the people of Canada. We have a great relationship. But if they became our 51st state, it would be the greatest thing they could ever do.

It would be unbelievable. It would be a cherished state. And think of how beautiful that country would be without that artificial line running right through it. Somebody drew it many years ago with a ruler, just a line. You look at how beautiful that is, wow, it would be very exciting. But if you look at Canada, it would be cherished as a 51st state. They don't pay their share of military in NATO. They pay very little for military. They're not protected at all.

And the reason is they think we're going to protect them. Yeah, look, Donald Trump, there are a lot of people in this country who know that we have been shirking our international responsibilities for years. There are a lot of people in this country lining up to bolster our military, to increase our military spending, to make our country one that we can be proud of from a military perspective, to honor our military, to those who have served, to those who have protected us, to those who put their lives on the line.

And when he speaks on this, there's very little information behind it. Not to say he's not getting that information, he's got very smart people working for him. This is the narrative that he has chosen. So I would bet dollars to donuts that he knows our military history or he's been informed of our military history

and our military commitment and our history stained in blood and standing shoulder to shoulder with Americans when it has mattered. He doesn't care. This is what he's pushing. And Doug Ford said, in a tweet, this is our next four years shifting goalposts and constant chaos, putting our economy at risk. And then he goes on to say, I'm asking the people for strong, stable four year mandate that outlasts the Trump administration to do whatever it takes to always be ready to protect Ontario. Yeah, I mean, but like, how do we do this? And I'd love to hear from you 416-870-6400 or one triple eight two two five talk. Like, how should we react to Donald Trump every time he opens his mouth, every time he talks about Canada being the 51st state, which is the most unrealistic of unrealistic scenarios. It would never happen. It would never happen.

First of all, if the federal government ever, any federal government ever decide to entertain the notion of Canada joining the United States, that would trigger an automatic and successful independent referendum in Quebec. They would be out. They'd be out tomorrow. And then other provinces would decide to go with themselves as well. Alberta, Saskatchewan.

And they say, okay, we don't wanna join the states. So if Canada wants to join the states, we're gonna leave Canada. Good luck negotiating that when we're no longer part of your country. And Canadians can't agree on anything from coast to coast to coast. Imagine how many times we've tried to change the Constitution. We can't agree on anything. You think we as one as 40 million people are going to become one fifty first state?

Who's going to govern it as a governor? From where? It's untenable. It doesn't make any sense. Let's welcome Frank to the show. Good morning, Ben. My view remains the same about Trump. I think his tactics, he's incredibly intelligent and what he's doing is stoking the fire.

A lot of everything has to deal with his resentment towards the federal liberals. But what I think where Team Canada maybe should alter their approach is this. They're taking too much, I believe, of an aggressive let's fight back approach. What I think if the Canadians came back in a more diplomatic way, those on the team would more or less try to appeal more to the hearts and minds of Americans. We use that as a basis then to give back to Trump. Because let's face it, Trump's an incredibly powerful person right now. He's going to listen to his base. And if we're more diplomatic in our approach, in a way we react to Trump, I think the greater

inroads we're going to make is Trump's going to be allowed to save face in these circumstances. Well one of the most successful forays in that call, not charm offensive, but it was a combination of carrot and stick was when Doug Ford's threat to remove Kentucky bourbon from the LCBO shelves got made its way to the governor of Kentucky, who then went on Fox News and said, this will be devastating to my state. And Kentucky is a Republican state, which means Donald Trump takes that man's calls. That he knows was gonna hurt his people,

people who voted for him. That to me was exactly what you're talking about. But we've done that. Now it's time to actually work on the things we've committed to with this man. The border, the the drones the helicopters the the customs agents the fentanyl czar that's one guy name the fentanyl czar Gus welcome to the show so I go back something Steve Bannon said when when Trump was running the first

time and I thought it was really unique, he said, you have to distinguish between the noise and the signal that Donald Trump is sending. And actually, I'll be honest with you, as a proud Canadian, it's about time we did something about our border. And rather than fighting him on this, we should say, thank you. Thank you for telling Trudeau that we need to clean up our border and our own safety instead of taking on the president.

Like, really, I thought that was tone deaf on the part of our. The only person that I have respect for when it comes to that is the premier of Alberta. Yeah, she's been calm and measured through this through this entirely. And yes, Steve Bannon said that he also said that they flood the zone with information because there's information overload. It'll confuse the mainstream media. Let's go to Sarah, who has been waiting patiently on the line. Sarah, welcome to the show. Hi, Ben. I just need to stop reacting. I mean, Trump is a sadist. He lives for this. And,

you know, pull the trigger when you have to. Nobody, you know, nobody's going to be taking control over Canada or ownership over Canada. So let's just stop reacting to what he's saying, because every time we react, he moves inches forward and inches forward. Until he actually goes ahead and does something, then we react. I think the proper strategy is to, in the back room, have a strategy, have a discussion that if he all of a sudden starts bringing military to our border, well then like Russia did with Crimea, that's when you need to start doing something. But have a plan in advance if he does start to do something crazy.

But in the meantime, just be quiet and just maybe say one remark. No, this is not going to happen. End of story. We're not talking about it anymore. Move on. And the other thing that I'm really fed up of hearing about it, Christian Freeland went on, I think CNN saying, Donald Trump, you know, he commands, he respects strength. Stop saying that. Stop saying that. Just be strong. Stop giving him what he wants. And then he'll, you know, find another, you know, find another lane to go into. Yeah. But this is absolutely ridiculous. I think it was Teddy Roosevelt who said, you know, speak quietly and carry a big stick. or find another lane to go into. But this is absolutely ridiculous. I think it was Teddy Roosevelt who said, speak quietly and carry a big stick, right?

And that's what we should be doing. Unfortunately, we have chopped up every single big stick we have and made kindling with it, lit them on fire. So we can speak quietly and we're just the quiet guy in the corner. Let's welcome Ed to the show. Ed, help me out here.

Yes, good morning, Ben. I agree with with with your last caller mostly not all the way. And I agree with kind of what what you said was about walks off and carry a big stick. Unfortunately, we in Canada, we don't have a very big stick compared to them. But that's not my point. As I explained to your screener, I think the media is controlling the narrative here. And the narrative is the big bad orange man. And I'll give you two quick examples. And the first one is Doug Ford's reading the tea leaves

and he's making it about Trump and tariffs. We don't need a provincial election. I think we know that we need a federal election. We need one very soon. And the second point is because the media controls the narrative, I see people on Facebook and I probably shouldn't even be on there, but I am. And, and they're, they're doing ridiculous posts about, you know, the orange man again. And, and, um, yep. And, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and,

and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and, and keep talking about it, people are gonna react and people react, people keep talking about it. Thank you so much for the call. Let's say hi to Angelo. Angelo, what say you?

Angelo, you there? Yes. Yes. Yeah, hi. Hey, so should we, how do we react or is the best reaction no reaction? Yeah, best reaction is no reaction. I think the only people getting upset are all the liberals. Like you're calling them sadists now. These are the sadists. These people,

they're running out of names. You know what I mean? Like he's playing 5D chess with us. Look at Gaza. He's not going to invade Gaza. He just said that. So the Arab countries take some responsibility. They actually do something. Just the mention of tariffs made Canada do a 360. Months ago Trudeau said nationalism was bad, populism was bad. Look at them now. Yeah, no no, Canada has no core identity. So what exactly are you proud of, sir, if we have no core identity? If you're so willing to watch as our institutions are lit on fire and our heroes and the people who built this country are denigrated and demeaned, then what exactly are you standing

up for? Hey, Robert, thank you so much for being patient. Morning. Thanks for taking my call. Yes. I listen to a lot of American conservative talk radio and they've got their second messiah. This is like a cult mentality and it's not all americans but there's a lot of the the gullible but here

everything that he says and they see he's pegged up cd basically stoking up hate against canada which is scary i've never heard this before twenty thirty years i was radio and it's kind of creepy that the but the word the boogie man were the bad one for the ones that's causing this, this, this, and this. And if we can't negotiate with this guy, I was a Trump supporter. I was, I believed in the man. I thought he was a good, be a good president. I think there's just something wrong with his mentality. There's something wrong with his mind. Yeah, but unfortunately,

we're going to have to like, I take your point, but the fact is he is the president. So whether or not like sitting around and figuring out what's wrong with the guy is unhelpful. He's there. That's the guy who's opposite to our prime minister at a negotiating table. He's there, we gotta deal with him. I do have a question.

Where are the sane people in the room? Where are the adults in the room who oppose him in the United States? Because there's a deafening silence as he signs executive order after executive order, as he make levels, accusation after accusation against Canada. I'm not hearing a whole lot of people from the other side

taking up defense of Canada. We've got Steve on the line. Steve, welcome to the show. Yeah, good morning, Ben. Morning. Hey, I think we should call Yeah, good morning, Ben. Morning. Hey, I think we should call his bluff and say, like, take it. How are you gonna do it?

Take what? Take Canada? Yeah, we will set up one of those commercials like the Bell one where the spaceship's being, you know, threatened by pirate spaceships, and he says to them, take it, we only run table speed. You know, how would he do it? How would how would he possibly do it? Yeah, I mean, look, I was I was at a Super Bowl party yesterday.

And some people were asking, okay, let's assume for a second that Canada does entertain this idea. What sort of value proposition are you offering us? Is it a dollar for dollar swap? Is every Canadian dollar now worth an American dollar? It's like, like, like, let's get into the nitty gritty of it. Because until not that I ever want to go down that that road, but that like this, this mu this, this musing from 30,000 feet is all that's all it is. And I think he gets a kick of watching us boo the American national anthem. I think he gets a kick out of seeing all the tweets And I think he gets a kick out of watching us boo the American national anthem.

I think he gets a kick out of seeing all the tweets. I think he gets a kick out of all that stuff. And look, Elon Musk, who has a huge presence on X, amplifies everything Donald Trump says, every single thing he says, except the attacks on Canada. He is very quiet on that. I don't think he's ever retweeted a single thing, not a single meme. I could be wrong, but I don't think he's done that at all.

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