The Ben Mulroney Show - Ben discusses Justin Trudeau being tone deaf on why he's so unpopular

Episode Date: January 10, 2025

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The federal liberals have set the rules for their leadership race that none of us want except for them and the date that they will be picking the our next prime minister because that's what's at stake is March 9th which is also my 49th birthday. Happy birthday Ben Ben. We get a new prime minister on my birthday and there's also a few other tightening up of the rules that we can expect. So based on the reports from yesterday,

they will be in a press release. The party said the new leader will be picked March 9th. Leadership contestants must also declare by January 23rd and will be required to pay an entrance fee of $350,000, which is giving potential candidates limited time to fundraise. That's not a lot of time. The fee jumped significantly from the last time when it was 75 grand. And according to some people, they're saying that you've set a high entry fee so you can discourage people who really don't have a chance at winning. And I get that. You can set your own rules on things like that. That makes sense.

Whoever wins the leadership will have just two weeks in the job before the House of Commons is set to return on March 24th. And at that point, you can assume that there will be a vote of non-confidence and we will head into an election. Now here's where things got a little changed from the status quo. Because up until yesterday, all you had to be was a supporter of the party, which meant you had to be 14. You didn't have to be a citizen. You didn't have to be a permanent resident. And now what they're saying is,

you have to be either a citizen or a permanent resident. You can still be 14. Again, this rubs me the wrong way. The idea that non-resident 14 year olds, and I don't know I'm stuck on the 14 thing, but I am, because my kids are 14 and they don't know anything about politics. I talk about politics with them, but I'm teaching them, right? The idea that non-resident 14-year-olds essentially get jumped to the front of the queue in terms of the democratic process. They have a say over our next

prime minister before you and me have the right to go to the ballot box and hold this government to account or support this government. I'm not even, my issue's not with the, with that. My issue is with my democratic right is being preempted by somebody who shouldn't take priority over me. Call me crazy. I find this whole thing bananas. And so it's, so they are tightening things up. And I don't know if, I don't know who you follow on Twitter, but yesterday my feed was peppered with some really funny tweets, posts of people signing their dog up as a supporter

or signing up under the name Xi Jinping. And they're saying, oh, don't worry, we're gonna remove fraudulent memberships. And I saw the signup page where the phone number that people were putting down was 123456781. Like that's crazy. And so yes, you're gonna get rid of pets and Xi Jinping and others like that. But what if people are just a little more sophisticated

than that in their registration as a supporter? What if they put down a real phone number? What if they have a real address? What if, I don't know, what if they're really, they know how to write code and they are able to pass all of the steps that clearly don't exist currently. It's, there's no, I'm sorry, I do not believe as of right now that they've shown us that they're

running a clean race. They're capable of running a clean race. It feels to me like they're just sticking their finger in the dam saying, we've solved it. No problems. If on day one I can, I can register a Xi Jinping and you say, Oh, we're going to clean that up. Then it's just going to be about being a little bit smarter than the guys who are who, who, who allowed this system in the first place. It doesn't make any sense to me, but we are, and I've said before on matters that should be taken very

seriously, we as a nation are quite unserious. This is something that we've taken very, very seriously. So seriously, in fact, that we should be headed to the polls as a nation. And so the liberals are getting their ducks in a row to pick their next leader. And so the liberals are getting their ducks in a row to pick their next leader. Pierre Poliev gave what I thought was a tremendous speech yesterday, discussing who he's going to be up against in the next election. Right before an election, the liberal MPs want to elect another Justin Trudeau who has a different face. They're all Justin Trudeau. They're all just like Justin. In the next election I will be running against Justin Trudeau. Whether his name is Justin Trudeau or his name is Christia Freeland, or Carbon Tax Carney,

or Carbon Tax Clark, they will all be Justin Trudeau. Yeah, he goes on and says they all supported him. They were so proud to support his vision of Canada. And so in that way, they are the same person. They are all the same person. They have the same values, the same perspective, the same outlook, the same priorities. And now they're going to tell you that they're a little bit different, but they weren't so different back then.

And, and, and he made, he makes that case. Look, he's trying to set, uh, set the, uh, the agenda. He's trying to set the pace for this election and, you know, he's currently in the pole position, so he can do that. Now, you know, it remains to be seen how successful he'll be, but I've seen no evidence to suggest that he and his team are not on point when it comes to these things. They've been doing it quite dramatically, to dramatic effect, at really pulling the strings and setting the pace of the show. And then he said something that makes me think that he or his speech writers or people on his team listen to the Ben Mulroney show because what he says next is pretty much what I said

on the Ben Mulroney show yesterday. And most of all, being proud of our country and unapologetic for our history. We need to honor our past and our shared values. We need to live out the dream that started with John A. MacDonald. Yes, I said John A. MacDonald, who believed in an independent and sovereign Canada. We need to uphold our heroes, stop tearing down our symbols,

remind people who come here that when they're given a Canadian flag and they land on Canadian soil, that it's the greatest gift on earth and that they should be proud to be part of the Canadian family. I love that. I love that. And I said that yesterday. So I'm living in a world in my own mind where Pierre Poliev and his team are listening to the show. Until somebody says otherwise, that's my truth. There is a new leadership candidate named Chandra Arya who's a backbench MP. I believe he represents a riding in Ottawa in the Pian and he's thrown his

name in the ring. He does not speak French but he does not think that that is a problem. How's your French? No. No? No French? No French. Okay the Liberal Party of Canada is a party of official bilingualism. It's gonna be a tough one. I don't speak French either, so I... The point is that whether the Quebecers are English Canadians, it's not the language that matters, it's what is that they deliver to them. But the language matters very much in Quebec. No, at the end of the day, Quebecers see who delivers what. You know, we have English-speaking, French-fluent prime minister for all the time.

One of the things that matters to Quebecers are being a sovereign country, a sovereign republic. And which prime minister has ever talked about that? Mr. Ariya, if you're going to run for prime minister, I mean, you have to know that the French language matters and French, it matters in Quebec profoundly. Trust me. Trust me. At the end of the day for French Canadians And English Canadians the matters most is that how the children and grandchildren are going to prosper in this country

That is the thing that matters. Okay, we'll leave it there Well, it is wishful thinking to the nth degree I think mr. Aria and his heart's in the right place and he's putting his name for it and I respect that Mr. Aria and his heart's in the right place and he's putting his name for it and I respect that but I think he knows Canada about as well as Donald Trump knows Canada. Like I mean that sincerely. Good luck sir. Good luck. Welcome back to the Ben Mulroney Show.

Thank you so much for joining us and now is I think this is my favorite part of the show when I get to talk to our listeners at 416-870-6400 or 1-888-225-TALK. So Justin Trudeau spoke to the press for the pretty much for the very first time since his press conference and prior to that he hadn't spoken in three weeks. But he didn't speak to a Canadian journalist in fact he went on CNN with Jake Tapper to uh to unless in fact he went on CNN with Jake Tapper to, I mean, look, here's the good news. He didn't embarrass the country. It was fine. The bad news is Jake Tapper gave him the most softball

of softball interviews I've ever seen. And so Justin was able to say all sorts of stuff that sort of rubbed me the wrong way. The most, probably one of the most egregious was when he blamed right-wing attacks and social media for misinformation that has made people feel that his government has been bad for Canada. But when you get a conflagration,

But when you get a conflagration, at least an intersection of both right-wing policy, right-wing attacks and social media, you end up with a lot of misinformation, disinformation, and responsible governments have to stay focused on the policies that are making a difference, and that's what we've been doing. So I think he was looking for the word confluence, which is fine. People forget their words. I do it all the time. But that was really a case of it's not it's not me. It's you. I'm not the problem. You're just too dumb to know how good of a prime minister I am. You're too dumb to see through the lies on social media to appreciate how good you have it here. And, you know, Jake, who I have a lot of time for, was ill prepared.

He was ill prepared. He should have had some numbers in armed armed and ready to go. And he didn't. And he just there was never any pushback at all. And I'd love to hear from you at 416-870-6400 or 1-888-225-TALK. Justin Trudeau blaming social media for essentially lying to people, to their faces. Is he tone deaf or has he been inside a bubble

for so long that he actually believes this? That's my question. And it's a good faith question because he got on TV and he was asked, why are you so unpopular? I said, no, no, no. It's that people have been lied to by social media and they can't tell how wonderful the past nine years have been for them.

They can't see how great they have it. That's really what he's getting at. And I don't know whether he is spinning the truth or he really believes this. And it's gonna be really interesting to see the upcoming liberal leadership race to see if they believe this, this crock as well. I don't know, is he, is he diluting himself? Is he trying to, is he trying to, I mean,

look, I don't like using this expression because it's, it's, it's so right. It's so, it's so of, of a time I don't want to be living in anymore, but he's gaslighting us. He's gaslighting the Canadian people. Let's welcome George to the show. Hey, George, welcome to the Friday edition of the Ben Mulroney show. Good morning. Good morning, Ben. Well, you summed it up pretty well. I mean, he's a he's a psychopath. He's a he's delusional. He has mental illness. He has all the great characteristics of his father Castro had to be a great dictator. George, I don't know that I called him a psychopath. Oh yeah, you have to, you have to put everything, you got to check every box. Yeah.

This guy's clinically mentally ill. He does not understand reality. It's, it's, but what I find it's, it's always somebody else. Like when, whenever he's had a scandal, almost every time, it feels like he tries to turn it into a teachable moment for all of us. The Aga Khan vacation, right? That was a teachable moment for all of us. Ethics violations, teachable moments for all of us. No, no, no, sir.

I remember when the liberals invited the Nazi into the House of Commons. That was a teachable moment for all of us. No, no, no, no, no. No, I don't invite Nazis into my house. That's a you problem moment for all of us. No, no, no, no, no. No, I don't invite Nazis into my house. That's a you problem, not a me problem. Hey, George, thank you so much. Let's welcome Frank to the Ben Mulroney Show. Morning, Ben.

Good morning. I think Trudeau's got a serious issue with credibility. And just on that basis alone, anything that he's claimed or said yesterday regarding social media is suspect. I'll just give one example. He's criticized Trump and Trump has been clear and I believe Trump has been accurately stating that he's two-faced. On the one hand he congratulates Trump for getting the one in the election but on the other hand a week or two weeks later, sorry, a month later, he criticizes the American population for for electing Donald Trump over

Kamala Harris. You can't have it both ways. Oh, I know. And those perspectives fall apart under the weight of their own hypocrisy. I mean, he stands there as a proud liberal prime minister when an old white guy in Jean Chrétien, and I'm using that term facetiously, but old white guy beat the first woman to ever put herself forth as a federal leader in the progressive conservatives. And his liberal party wears that victory with pride. So what were the Canadian people wrong then that they had the opportunity to to have the opportunity to elect a female prime minister back in 1993?

I mean, how do you square that circle? Thank you very much for the call and welcome David. Happy Friday. Hi, Ben. Yeah, Trudeau is just, he's, I mean everyone's called him a narcissist and that is the, he is the epitome of that. But I mean, you look, you even listen to his exit speech and, you know, it's all about him and the way he talks about how he's, how he's, it's right for him to step down because of all the squabbling amongst his other members. But what in fact, what was going to happen is if he didn't step down, he did it to save face.

Because on Wednesday, like a couple days ago, at the Liberal caucus, they were going to turf him out on his ass. So in order for him to continue his narrative of being the Canadian Emperor and being this, you know, God's gift to Canada. It's just, it's so self-delusional. I mean, the guy is seriously mentally ill. Well, part of me thinks that there's an element of wanting to manifest the reality that he wants by saying things. When he says he's delivering for Canadians every day, I mean, I heard that expression so many times. It made my blood boil. I think he wanted to, if he says it enough,

it'll become true. And, you know, there's so many examples of that in his past, as well as his party's past. I mean, one of the most frustrating things when I would watch a question period is that they would get very simple questions from the opposition and they would never answer the questions they would pivot immediately to talking points. It was opacity to the highest

degree of what things weren't opaque on that side of the that side. They were completely blacked out completely blacked out. Thanks for the call. And let's welcome Andrew to the Ben Mulroney show. How are you? Love your show. Thank you. This piece of and I try to say this as kindly as I can human garbage needs to call an election. So he can see that he is the problem. The Canadian people need to show him in his party that they need to go.

And I'm tired of his bull making it sound like he's looking out for the best interest of Canadians when Canadians want him gone. It's unbelievable that there's no way that we can make the government call an election because this is it's not only if he destroyed this our country for the last nine or 10 years, but the damage he's doing from now until March is disgusting. And I think it's dangerous. And I think it's irresponsible the government to to keep playing these games. When, when it's, it's literally making, it's damaging our country. it's damaging our, the Canadian people, it's damaging our reputation, it's dangerous. And I think this guy

needs to go. Well, yeah, unfortunately there's not much we can do. We kind of, we're just, we're living in his world until the new leader is picked. But we've got time for one last quick call from Lidl. Hey Ben, how are you? How are you? I'm well, thank you. You're doing a great job. Thank you. And they probably, Paulia probably did steal what you said yesterday. I just wanted to say Trudeau's not even original. He's borrowing the blame the media. not even original. He's boring. He blamed the media. You don't understand how great we're doing script from Biden and Kamala. And Tapper probably was thinking the same thing. Yeah. I really, I really did wish that Jake had just, just pushed back a little bit, you know, just a little bit, but Leto, thank you very much. This NFL season, get in on all the hard hitting

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where the question was put to him, is the carbon tax still the top issue given the fact that we have this looming threat of 25% tariffs coming in from Donald Trump? Here's what he had to say. For the first time in our living memory, a U.S. president is directly threatening our country. We have an election that's only weeks away, likely. Why can you walk us through why you think acts the tax is still the ballot box question

for this election and not something else? Yes, because I think that it's ironic we have a an American president who's threatening tariffs on Canada and we have a Canadian government that is threatening even more devastating tariffs on Canada in the form of a carbon tax. Yeah, first of all, great question. I don't know who that reporter was, but great question. And a great way to sort of pivot back to his central theme that he's been beating this drum for a very long time. And when you look at it through that lens, it's hard to argue with him.

I'd love to hear from you. Do you think that the carbon tax is still the top issue Do you think that the carbon tax is still the top issue that we'll be facing voters when we finally have the right to go to the ballot box? Let's say hi to Luke. Luke, what do you think? Hey, good morning, Ben. Good morning.

Yeah, I agree with your poly of exactly what he said. We're imposing a tax on our own people and it comes to a world view like our world is not on fire while it is in some parts literally but the carbon that's emitted in a fire is going to do so much more damage in mere minutes than all of the destructive policies that Trudeau's imposed on Canadians. Anything that he saves in a year or two is going to be undone in a few minutes of a fire. So it's just ridiculous that he would and he I know they try to rebrand it like the it's the carbon rebate but let's face it it's so much more expensive for Canadians. I've got people in my life that have master's degrees that are living below poverty because they can't get jobs and the economy is just too expensive. Oh, no, that's misinformation.

That's misinformation on social media. Those people do have jobs. They're high paying jobs in the green economy, in the world's greatest economy. Sorry, Luke. I'm not, I don't want to make light of your friends. I'm sorry that they're going through a tough time, but you're absolutely right.

And I appreciate the call. You know what? Sorry, you can make a little bit of fun because they plan on voting NDP. So you're absolutely right. And I appreciate the- You know what? Yeah. Sorry. You can make a little bit of fun because they plan on voting NDP. So you can make a little bit of fun because they don't even see their own situation that

they're in. All right. That is funny. Okay. Hey, thanks so much, Luke. I appreciate it. Let's say hi to Ed. Ed, welcome to the show.

Hey, good morning, Ben. Morning. Good to talk to you. I just wanted to make a quick point on my views on what the election is about and it's yeah the carbon tax is a big issue but to me the biggest issue here is the Canadian voter and I'm sorry to say this but Canadian voters are naive and gullible. Right now the rumors I'm hearing about Poliev are vicious and unrelenting and I'm afraid it's coming from the far- extremists that, that don't have

the political clout to compete with him. It's, it's, it's, and people are eating it up. I was in a discussion group on Friday night and they're saying they have no time for them. It's all lies. Yada, yada, yada. We should have a minority and what's going to happen. An NDP minority? Come on. Yeah. Well, nothing will get done. yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada, flaws have been so successful electorally over the years because they they keep everything

under one tent. You look at the differences between Jean Chrétien and Paul Martin, that party didn't split apart because those two men disagreed. They stuck, they stayed together and they stuck it out. Whereas in Canada, the history of of the conservative movement is a coming together and breaking a part of that coalition time and time again. And when when one side doesn't get what they want, they take their toys and they go away.

And it's just part and parcel of our system. So when you say that the far right doesn't have any time for Pierre, that has the ring of truth to me. I can't speak to the discussion group you're in, but that does have the ring of truth to me. I can't speak to to the discussion group you're in. But that does have the ring of truth to it for me. I'll tell you, the the carbon tax question opened my eyes to something. And I haven't done any research into this to corroborate it yet. But he spoke of how ineffective the carbon tax is

at lowering our emissions and how it really doesn't do anything to help the global crisis of climate change. And if we were really serious about it, we would look at a global approach to it. For example, I believe he mentioned India and he said that they have the intention because of the growth that they are going to experience, they're going to be firing up a whole bunch of new coal-fired electricity plants. And if they

had access to our clean energy in the form of liquefied natural gas, for example, we could, that growth, if it was fueled by our gas, would lower emissions the equivalent of shutting off Canada three times. Everything, every light bulb, every car, everything. And why wouldn't we want to approach things that way? Well, apparently it's because of the Paris Accords that require countries to lower emissions domestically rather than bring Canadian solutions to a global problem. We have to, we have to do everything and anything in our backyard, which really doesn't do anything. So when I heard that it kind of opened my eyes.

And like I said, I've got to do my own research into this to ensure that what I heard was true. But I'm kind of upset that we've been forced into a conversation that has these nonsensical guardrails, because to me, it's more about performance than it is about results. If we really cared about results, we would be far more nimble in our approach

to fighting climate change. Because what Pierre is suggesting in saying that to Jordan Peterson, it seems like a no brainer to me. Grow our economy and reduce the global emissions by the equivalent of shutting down Canada three times? Why isn't that an option that's on the table? And if he keeps bringing, if he is in fact right, and I'll take him at his word, but

if he is right, that's the kind of visionary decision making and policy proposals that we should be listening to. Good morning, Mark. Welcome to the show. Good morning. My comment is that, first of all, CO2 is not a pollutant, and the carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere some 150 million years ago during the Jurassic era were 50 times the level of that of today, and life flourished.

And as far as I know, that precludes the SUV. And the other point that I wanna make, I mean, climate change is even a term that's totally mislabeled because the only way to claim to change climate is with a thermostat. It's HVAC 101. Other words than that, it's weather. Listen, I can't imagine

that we haven't had an impact on the climate. The human race has completely reshaped the globe. So I don't see why in that reshaping, there wouldn't be an effect on the climate. So I'm not a climate change denialist in any way, but if there are solutions that we can bring to bear that actually change things for the better, why shouldn't we be looking at them? That's all I'm saying. Welcome back

to the Ben Mulroney Show and here's a story that makes my blood boil. I'm sure a lot of you are going to feel the same way. So it was time to sentence a man from Toronto for a crime that he pleaded guilty to. He was the mastermind of a $36 million cross-border drug trafficking operation. He pleaded guilty to importing meth and cocaine, possession of meth for the purpose of trafficking, laundering proceeds of crime, of possessing property obtained by a crime. Now his partner, romantic partner, Maria, she pleaded guilty to laundering proceeds of a crime and was given a conditional sentence of two years. And they have decided to delay his sentence

because he's waiting to become a father for the first time. Isn't that sweet? It's a family affair. The drug dealers are expecting their first child and the court is saying rather than go face your punishment for importing $36 million of meth and cocaine, we're going to let you stay at home and play house for a little bit because you have a baby on the way. Oh, and by the way, they deeply appreciate the position of allowing them to spend this invaluable time together as they have their first child. The Crown Attorney

also consented to the adjournment saying the court recognizes this is an exceptional circumstance. The accused pleaded guilty. He's looking at a lengthy sentence. It allows him to get his affairs in order. Please remember he's pleaded guilty. So that means on a serious matter, he's spared the court the resources. And let's not forget for a justice system to be effective, there must be compassion, there must be empathy. If we don't have that, what are we doing? I'm gonna say it again.

He pleaded guilty to importing $36 million of meth and cocaine. The numbers 4168706400 or 1-888-225-TALK. Where is the empathy for the victims, for the people who get caught in the nightmare of drug addiction? How many newborns are without their mother or father because the mother or the father are in the throes of drug addiction? Where's the empathy for the communities and families that are torn apart by meth and cocaine that this man is guilty of importing to the tune of $36 million worth.

Where is the empathy for the victims? Where is the empathy for the communities, for our cities, for our brothers, our sisters? He spared us the cost by pleading guilty? What is the cost of those drugs? And let's call a spade a spade. If you get caught, chances are you're either, I mean, if it was your first time doing it, then you're a terrible drug dealer. And you don't, chances are this wasn't the first time

he imported drugs. You know, his girlfriend was able, was smart enough to like learn how to launder money. You don't just pick that up on the fly. These people must have been well seasoned in this world. It's lovely that the court decided to give you time to get your affairs in order and spend this time as a family together.

There are a lot of families that have been broken up because of cocaine and because of meth and other drugs. Where's the empathy for them? Where's the respect for them? How is this even allowed? Why are we showing this person compassion? Because I don't know how many lives have been destroyed by drugs. And I don't know how many more would have been destroyed by $36 million worth of cocaine

and meth that this man had imported into the country. It's bananas to me. Bananas. We have lost the plot. We have forgotten what the point is of a criminal justice system. This is coddling. This is hug a thug.

This is hug a thug. I don't like catchphrases that rhyme, but this is hug a thug. I don't like catchphrases that rhyme, but this is hug a thug in practice. Quite literally save saving this person from from jail time so that he can he can play house for a little while. Remember, do you remember the days when we used to say when a criminal would say, we used to say when a criminal would say, but don't go too hard on me because I have a kid on the way. The judge used to say, you should have thought of that before you imported $36 million worth of meth and cocaine into the country.

And then we would have sent that person promptly to jail. That's how things used to be. And we have gone completely in the opposite direction. This is yet more evidence of placing the importance and the priority on the on the on the guilty criminal and not on the victims. Justice is not served by allowing this man the comfort of playing house and pretending that he's a good dad. It is not.

And when the, when this lawyer says, there must be empathy in our justice system for it to be effective. And if we don't have that, what are we doing? What are you doing? Like you're keeping the streets safe by sending this guy to jail and as a warning to anybody

who might wanna follow in his footsteps. It's not about making his life better. It's actually about making his life worse so that others don't look to him as an example. It's garbage. Everyone associated with this decision should be ashamed of themselves. Fatherhood delays your sentencing. Are you kidding me? Are you kidding me? He should be in jail behind a plexiglass when he sees his son for the first time. So he says to himself, I will never do this again.

When I get out, I'm going to clean my act up. I will be a better example for my child. Instead, you get to be there in the delivery room with your girlfriend who laundered the illegal proceeds of the coke in the meth no sir absolutely not I do not co-sign that I do not co-sign that do we have any calls yeah oh let's take let's take Steve, what say you? All right, Ben. Hey. Yeah. You know, a while back in Kelly Contreras, she was talking about the corrections in Canada

where they released well over 600 plus repeat offenders. And out of those 600 plus, 232 murders were committed by those people released. And I forget the time frame. Yeah. Right. That's just one example. But the one that really besides Bernardo and everyone else is little Tori Stafford

from Woodstock. Yeah. And she was, I believe, eight. Now how is it that, okay, I used to think then that when you're sentenced to life, 25 years to life meant that you don't have a chance of parole for twenty five years the girl i already mentioned their name the girl got released to a native healing center

she's not native and he's now in uh... medium security i believe yeah they should have been twenty five years in the general population bar not steve i agree with you thank you very much 25 years in the general population barred nuts. Steve, I agree with you. Thank you very much. This is one of those issues where we are very unserious about the most serious of issues. This is a joke. This is an absolute joke. BC Children's Hospital. We believe caring for kids goes beyond medical treatment. We infuse joy, play and compassion into everything we do. Young patients' energy and resilience

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