The Ben Mulroney Show - Ben takes issue with Jagmeet Singh's excuse for propping up the government

Episode Date: March 26, 2025

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BenMGM operates pursuant to an operating agreement with iGaming Ontario. We are on top of the hump of the week, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the Ben Mulroney Show, the Wednesday edition of Said Show. I'm your host, Ben Mulroney, a real pleasure to be joining you in London, Ontario, in Toronto, across the world on streaming apps as well as on all big and major podcasting platforms. I got some news this morning from some well-placed people who know more than I that the the people in the Liberal Party running this election are not too keen to join me on the Ben Mulroney show. I'm I don't know whether I should take that as a as a compliment or I should be a little upset. I will say again and I will say it every day

that look you hear my opinions every single day on this show, if I invite somebody in to join me, it's because I want to hear their opinions. I want to test their values and their ideas. And I want to do so in a respectful environment. And just because I, when I'm all on by, all my lonesome, I turn it up to 11, that doesn't mean I'm going to do that when I'm all on by, all my lonesome, I turn it up to 11. That doesn't mean I'm going to do that when I'm talking to somebody.

You know, the conversations we have with ourselves are not the same as conversations we have with actual people. Anyway, so the invitation is open to any and all of the major leaders and candidates in this all too important election. I promise if you come into this studio or if you call in for an interview with me, you will be given time to talk. I will not push back. I won't talk over you. I won't be rude.

I will challenge you if I think it deserves a challenge. But our listeners and Canadians and voters deserve to hear from as many of these candidates as possible. And I got three hours, five times a week. The invitation is open and I'm going to leave it there. So yeah, one of the guys I'd like to talk to is Jagmeet Singh. I haven't heard back from him yet. He's absolutely invited to join us here.

That being said, he did. He was welcomed by Kevin Frankish on the, on Toronto Today, just a short while ago. And when he was on Toronto Today with Kevin Frankish, he told, he told him what people are telling him are the biggest issues in this election campaign. People tell me the major things that they're worried about. They say one, the cost of groceries, two, the cost of my home and trying to find a place I can call my own. And if you're a parent that's got a home, you're worried about your kids being able to find a place that I can call my own. And if you're a parent that's got a home, you're worried about your kids being able to find a place of their own. Those two things are really the major concerns that you will tell me about when they talk about cost of living. What we can do on that is the,

we have the best plan on that on the cost of groceries. Instead of hoping one change will trickle down to another change. We want to go at it directly with a price cap on food essentials. This has been tried and tested and it works in other countries. And it's particularly important given that big corporate grocery stores

have actively done things that ripped off Canadians. They engage in bread price fixing. So they jacked up the price of bread and made massive amounts of profits doing that, ripping off Canadians. Okay, so the leader of the NDP is suggesting that the solution to the issues at the grocery store is price controls. Never mind the fact that the carbon tax that was paid by the farmers and then by those who had to transport all of those materials to then be processed,

and it was paid for at the processing plant, or the bakery, or wherever, and then transported again, carbon tax, and then I'm sure transported a number of other times before it ultimately gets to the grocery store. That wasn't the big problem. No, no, it's the greedy corporate grocers, who by the way, operate on the thinnest margins.

I mean, next to restaurants, I believe their profit margins are as thin as they come. Okay, so the issue, but it's worked in other countries. Mr. Singh, what countries are you talking about? I'm a best practices guy. Show me something works and I'll probably get behind it. But when I hear price fixing, my mind goes immediately to Venezuela

and to the Soviet Union and to the Soviet Union and Russia. That's what I see. And I see a lot long lines. And I see diminishing of the quality of the food as well as the amount of the food. Show me what countries you're talking about. Because you say it was worked very well. Give me examples. To say it just because you say it doesn't make it true. He continued. Kevin had a very good question for him asking him, look, the knock on you is that you've been, you propped up the liberals for so long and now we find ourselves in this hole, we're but we're behind the eight ball on so many issues. Why didn't you bring them down sooner? What we did, we sure absolutely could have pulled our support for in the agreement at

any point in time. We always could have. We wouldn't have dental care. We wouldn't have had pharmacare. Right now, millions of Canadians have been able to go and get their teeth fixed. I promised that I said I was going to fight hard for seniors to be able to get look after their teeth. Now, millions of Canadians literally have been able to sign up to this program.

Millions of Canadians have actually gotten help. Seniors tell me all the time you've actually allowed me to get my dentures, to get my teeth cleaned, to get my teeth fixed up. I was living in pain before this, now I'm not. That's what that's what New Democrats do. That's why I became a leader. I didn't want to just make noise in the corner. I wanted to became a leader. I didn't want to just make noise in the corner. I want to make a difference. I made that happen. I take your point. And you're right. There are a lot of people who have benefited from these programs, they could be run more

effectively and efficiently and Pierre poliev came out in staunch defense of these programs saying a conservative government will not touch them except to make them more efficient, to make sure that the money that you put into it translates into the services that people deserve. So I take your point, Mr. Singh. However, the Canada Dental Benefit was launched in December 2022, and the Pharmacare Act became law on October 10, 2024. You could have pulled the plug immediately after that. However, you did no such thing.

You voted in lockstep to keep the government alive many times. And I'm not talking once or twice, many times after that. So you're right on what you accomplished. You are absolutely not right and possibly even deliberately misleading people in your justification for keeping them alive because you kept them alive a heck of a lot longer than you had to. You had many opportunities to pull the plug and you didn't. So I would love to have those.

See, even with I'm not here, I thought that was very respectful. That's the tone you can expect. I'll give you a chance to answer. And if I don't think you answer properly, I'm gonna push back. So again, the invitation is open. So Donald Trump is now saying, the sources are saying that he may impose

escalating tariff levels on April 2nd, and Canada could be on the lower end of those. If you're hearing it from sources within his administration, it's probably true. Like there's one thing everybody can agree on is that Donald Trump really doesn't have a plan on these tariffs. He's sort of making it up as he goes along.

So I'll accept if part of the making it up, we end up on the lower end. But I also think Mark Carney, who said that he has had no contact with this administration, really wishes he hadn't said that because then he could try to convince people that this is because of him and his leadership.

And thanks to him, Donald Trump is backing down. But I think this has a lot to do with the business community coming in and dressing him down probably quite privately, but quite significantly saying, none of this makes sense. You're making life harder for us. You're making investment harder. You're making it impossible for us to make any decisions beyond a quarter out. And and so this is

his possible way of ratcheting things down without having to say he was wrong. But, you know, having the temperature turned down on Donald Trump, I think, allows us to have a more honest conversation in this election campaign because my contention, having spoken to very many callers on this show, is that Donald Trump, as significant as he is a threat and a problem, is not priority number one for a lot of people who are going to be out going to vote. In fact, he doesn't even crack the top five.

And so I hopefully by him sort of lowering the tension and lowering the tariffs, this will allow us to have a more honest conversation about what this election is really about. But early days of the election campaign, of course, we will be following it every single day on the Ben Moroney show. Hi, I'm Donna Friesen from Global National.

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you before I have Significant doubts about the value and the veracity of a lot of the polls that we see on a daily basis. I try not to pay them too too much mind or give them too much weight, but let's live in a world where they are fairly accurate. And one of the striking things that I've noticed and a lot of people have noticed is how age is really determining in a lot of ways how people are gonna vote with seniors and people on the upper end of the age scale seem to be tilting towards Mark Carney and the liberals. And if you look at some of these polls,

the most important factors when deciding vote by age, for example, is dealing with Donald Trump is really high for people who are older. They don't really care as much about housing and making it more affordable. They are concerned about the health care system, less concerned about growing the economy, really don't seem to care about making Canada a better place to live. They want to protect public services and they want and managing the federal budget deficit and debt for some reason they think the guys who exploded the debt are the best equipped to deal with it.

And so, you know, Pierre Poliev put something in the window just a little bit earlier today, where he said a conservative government will be lowering taxes for seniors, allowing working seniors to earn up to $34,000 tax free, allowing seniors the option of keeping savings growing in RSPs until the age of 71 up from 73 up from 71. And it would be protecting CP Peaks Canadian Pension Plan, old age security and the guaranteed income supplement and by keeping the retirement age at 65. So that to me is a lot in the window for a cohort that seems to be voting completely contradictory to the younger people behind them who have issues of affordability and who want to buy a house and start a business and all of those things. or one triple eight two two five talk is are you having conversations with your parents about who

they're voting for? Because they really don't seem to be in line with most Canadians on, you know, the issues of reducing the cost of living or dealing with Donald Trump or immigration or growing the economy. These to me like there's a disconnect going on. And I would love to know from you what are your parents telling you? And are you worried that they could sway the election and make it, you know, if I believe that Pierre Poliev is going to make it easier for people to buy a house. That's my opinion might not be yours, but do you share my opinion? And are you trying to sway your parents with your arguments?

It's look, it's to me, look, to me it's a, and you know what, this might stem back to when Stephen Harper changed the retirement age from 65 to 67. A lot of data supporting that as being a massive cost saver for the government, massive cost saver. People are living longer, working longer, Why wouldn't the retirement age go up as all of those indicators go up?

And then Justin Trudeau, who promised a evidence-based policy, comes in and immediately disregards the evidence and reduces it to 65. Pierre Poliev rather than fight that fight again, is just gonna keep it at 65. But let's see what you guys think. Dan, welcome to the Ben Mulroney Show. Hey Ben, how are you? I'm good. I'm good. So I've you been

talking to the people who are older in your life about this? Well, first off, this is not my first conversation with you. We've talked numerous times and because I enjoy your show. Thank you. One of the only shows on the radio that I like. Listen, call in anytime. If you lead with compliments, we'll always put you on the air. But yeah, you know what? I've been having this conversation with my parents for the past year, preparing them for this, this moment. And I pray to God other people have done the same. My parents are old school, you know, they were immigrants, Portuguese immigrants, and they came to this country voting liberal.

It was almost like he instilled in them. But I'll tell you right now, liberal from the past to the 70s and the early 80s are completely different than liberal now. Yeah. Oh yeah. Well, the last 10 years, for people who try to attack me online and say, oh, Ben, your dad would be rolling in this grave. The conservative party today is nothing like

the progressive conservative party. Maybe, but I promise you, the liberal party of today is nothing like Jean Chrétien's party, and I mean nothing like it. Far closer to the NDP than they have ever been. Yep, agreed. And so were you able to- Basically telling my parents, you know what,

this is laying down exactly because they don't inform themselves, they're immigrants. They don't really inform themselves of what each party has to offer. And I've been showing them and I'm telling them. Guys, I was using the expression fear-mongering and that may not be accurate, but what do you think? Have the liberals been good at making seniors fearful of a conservative government?

A hundred percent. A hundred percent they have. Are you kidding me? They they base yeah and and and I understand the seniors they they only have so many years left you know God forbid you hope they have more but they only have so many years left and and and at an older age as you get older you start to fear about things like that. So so so Dan real quick and then and at an older age as you get older, you start to fear about things like So Dan, real quick, and then I'll say thank you and then you can call back another time. Just always lead with a compliment. But what are your parents telling you about why they were initially gravitating back to the Liberal Party? It was always it was always tradition. That's what they would always tradition. I'm like, emotional incumbency. Yeah, I'm like, okay, go to the

grocery store and tell me how you feel. Yeah. What's the worst part of your life right now? And they say it's like going grocery store, putting in gas and, and all that. And you know what, Dan, Dan, I'm gonna let you go. I'm sorry, I got a lot of people lined up, but I really appreciate the call. Rob, welcome to the show. Are you having these conversations in your life? Oh, yes. Yeah. Oh, yes to the show. Are you having these conversations in your life? Oh, yes. Yeah. Oh, yes. And it's more in support of the conservatives. My mother will never vote liberal. Yeah, she's

she's paying more now in it as a retired person when she takes money out of her RSP. Annually, she pays more taking her own money out than she earned when she put that money into her RSP. Yeah, no, I think my wife has a friend that voted Liberal, she voted for Trudeau because he got rid of income splitting. She's a stay at home mom. Yeah. Like, how do you argue with these people?

It's impossible. Now Rob, I also hear you got a neighbour, you got a neighbour who's voting Liberal regardless. Oh yeah. Yeah, yeah, he's voting Liberal, but he's an engineer, right? He worked for the Canadian Space Agency. He's an engineer. And I'm a firm believer that most engineers can't think because when they put that iron ring on their pinky finger, it cuts off the blood flow to their brain.

But engineers are data first kind of people. They live in a world of data. No, this guy is definitely not data first. Way too driven by emotion. But in all fairness, to make my life easier, I've pretty much, I've mellowed out how I'm speaking to people and who I'm way too driven by emotion. But in all fairness, to make my life easier, I've pretty much, I've mellowed out how I'm speaking to people and who I'm speaking to because I've decided I'm gonna be more like a bee.

A bee doesn't explain to the fly why honey tastes better than crap. So I just, I just stopped talking to them. I'm not wasting my time. Rob, thank you so much. I'm gonna remember that one all day long. Daniel, welcome to the show. Where do you fall

on this? Are you having these important conversations? Yes, yes. And thank you for giving me this opportunity to present these critical key points. There's two key points. I'm talking to my in-laws and my parents. Number one, the Liberals, Mark Carney, proposed years ago that they're entertaining the possibility of taxing people's primary residents, their homes, should the price be higher than what they paid for. This is a reality. There is documentation proving that Carney discussed this with Justin Trudeau. Secondly, there's a lot of baby boomers and Gen X that, you know, I'm sorry, we've been successful and we have a savings. I want to see capital gains brought to 250,000

at a 25% tax rate, okay? We need to entice investment in this country. We need to stop taxing people with wealth. And Daniel, I agree with all of that, but the experience of a senior and the priorities of senior, I don't know if they care about that. At this point, they've already saved everything.

They've got their home. They're not really worried about Canada 50, 60 years from now. They're worried about the next 10 years of their life. And so on that, I think it takes a different approach. The long-term stuff, it doesn't matter to them. That's in the rear view mirror, don't you think? They care because they wanna make sure that the inheritance, the wealth that they've accumulated

both to their children and not is going to get taxed when they sell their... Ah, I see. That's a good argument that could be used. Yeah. Hey, Daniel, thank you very much. I really appreciate it. Keep those conversations going with your family and friends. Ian, thanks for calling in. Tell me about the conversations you're having. family and friends uh... he in thanks for uh... calling in tell me about the conversations you're having so i've been having conversations with friends family neighbors and a couple of things pocket about affordability

uh... with the liberals and and what the conservatives want to do but the other thing i've been talking about that is the generations behind it uh... that uh... i have sixty four so that behind me too is not going to do as well as our kids are not going to do as well. Our kids are not going to do as well, give us a call at 416-870-6400 or 1-888-225. Talk. Are you having conversations with your parents about who they should be voting for? That's next on the

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Welcome back to the Ben Mulroney Show and we are talking about the battle of the generations and how seniors in this country seem to be lining up, for some reason, behind the liberals. And Pierre Poliev this morning announced lower taxes for seniors, a raft of ideas. They'll keep more money in their pockets, more money in their retirement funds, more money for them after, at keeping the retirement age at 65. But that may or may not sway them.

Sometimes what it's going to take, if in fact they're going to be swayed, is a conversation with the younger people in their lives as to why it is important to reconsider that position. And so I want to, I've been asking our listeners if they're having those conversations with their parents and who they're voting for. So let's bring someone who's having this conversation with himself right now, Cam. cam. Thank you so much for joining us. I really appreciate getting some insights from somebody who's really the the target of this conversation that we're having. Can you tell me how old you are, sir?

Well, the 77. 77. And so you're currently undecided. You're undecided. Well, I'm looking for key aspects. Okay, tell me what you're looking for. I'm looking for number one, the person that stands up and gives me a five year plan and a 10 year plan and a 20 year plan in this nation. Okay?

But hold on, I wanna get specific, Cam. A plan on what? On how the policies will affect you, the country? Like, what are you looking for? No, most seniors don't worry about us. Okay. Okay. We're part of the boomers. After we go through the system, like pass away,

we're leaving a wealth that has never been seen on this entire planet. That's true. For the generations below us. Unfortunately, governments wanted taxes. I worry about the country as far as building it goes. I see, for instance, Canfor shutting down plants because of U.S. tariffs, bullshit, okay?

Ship the lumber east so you can live out your affordable housing plan. And you were talking the other day about Algoma. Why are we importing places? East so you can live out your affordable housing plan. Yeah, yeah. And so the other day about Algoma, why are we importing place? We got to build battleships. Yeah, no, I listen. I'll be left. Yeah. Okay.

We'll have to protect the country. Cam, thank you so much for your call. And I hope I hope the leaders of all the parties are listening to you so that they can give you the insights that you require and and you expect. Edward, welcome to Ben Mulrooney show. Hey, thanks for taking my call. So have you have you been having these conversations with your parents? Yeah, so my father, my parents were immigrants that came to this country more than 60 years ago. My father has his master's in engineering and my mother was a medical doctor for most of her career.

Okay. My father tended to vote conservative and my mother was a liberal. And where are they falling in this election? So about six months ago, I bought Carney's book. Values. Yeah, what an eye opener it was. I would urge all of your listeners, especially those that are on the fence or those that have always voted liberal. It is a huge eye opener. I gave it to my mother. She was

captivated by it. She read it over an entire weekend and it's not an easy book to read. But I'll tell you, some of the things that stuck out for me was that, you know, Carney claims that Western society is morally rotten and that it's been corrupted by capitalism. And therefore capitalism needs to be tightly, tightly, tightly controlled.

Yeah, and look, I'm in business. It's not the perfect it's not a perfect system, but it's probably the best system that we currently it's yeah, what did Churchill say about democracy? It's the worst. It's the worst system of government except for all the rest. Tim, thank you so much for your call. And you make a good point. I mean, we're not learning a heck of a lot about Mark Carney during this election campaign.

But he put his he put his perspective out there for public consumption in his book, Values, and if you can, pick it up. So thank you so much for that. Shane, welcome to the show. Thanks so much for joining us. Hey, Beth. Yeah, I was saying to your screener, I have this conversation every day with my mom. It's getting to the point where I might have to stop talking to her until the election's done. with my mom, it's getting to the point where I might have to stop talking to her until the election is done. What is she stuck on? She is, and when I say this, I swear on my grandmother's grave, this is what she said.

I will not vote for Pierre Pauli. I hate his face. He can't really change a face. He can't change a face. I've given her all the proof in the world that he is the best choice. I have given her all the proof in the world that Mark Carney is nothing but a lying sneaky bastard And she still insists that you're probably I was gonna take away dental care He's gonna take away health care. Have you shown her the clips where he says he's not gonna take them away

He's actually just gonna make them stronger yesterday. I sent it to her yesterday She still doesn't believe me. And this woman was an executive with the National Bank for 38 years. Oh my goodness. Oh yeah, and it has gotten so bad. I've just, I said to my girlfriend, I've had enough talking to her. I can't stand it anymore because her vote is essentially going to affect me. Oh yeah, yeah. Hey, well you're right. But if the flip side is true as well, if Pierre Poliev wins and the sky doesn't fall, then you can show up at her house and say, you're welcome. Thanks so much for the call, Tim.

I appreciate it. Oh, no, now it's time for Tim. I apologize. Tim, welcome to the show. Hey, how you doing? I'm good. I'm good. Talk to me about how you see things.

Well, how I see things. Going back to the 65 retirement age, I remember when Paulio was part of the Harper government and actually he orchestrated to move it to 67. My big concern is, why wouldn't we be moving to 70? A lot of countries of the world are doing it. How are we gonna pay for these $14 billion in tax cuts that he's proposing?

That's gonna cost us a lot of aid, maybe not be able to send chocolate bars that are keeping kids alive in third-world countries, maybe, well it's true, it's happening in the states to raise the retirement age, it was very good policy, it made absolute sense. It was gonna save us a ton of money. It recognized the reality of the world that we live in with longer lives, more productive lives. Trudeau comes in, his finance minister at the time

was Bill Morneau. Prior to becoming the finance minister, he had written an article or a study that defended the need to raise it to 67 and despite all the evidence, they reduced it back to 65. What we learned from that it was tremendous politics and terrible policy. And so this is by keeping it at 65, it's a recognition that is by keeping it at 65, it's a recognition that the politics need to be played. The best policy would be to raise it again,

but politics in this moment trumps policy. I thank you very much for the call. Keith, thank you so much for calling us. Oh, yeah. I'm good. So you just turned 70. You're the focal point of this conversation. What's, how are you seeing things on the ground?

Being a self-employed carbon per all my life, there's only one choice here. It has to be the conservatives only for my kids and my grandkids. He's the only one that is going to make this country stronger. That's what we need is our economy. Yeah, well, Keith, thank you so much for the call. And 70 years old and a self-employed carpenter, so maybe Pierre's position on the trades is also something that's resonating with Keith. Who do we have next?

We've got Mike. Mike, welcome to the show. Morning. Good morning. Yeah, I guess everyone in my family is pretty much going conservative and it's pretty obvious. You can see Mark Carney is nothing but a world economic form puppet. Central banker wants to implement, just continue doing everything Trudeau wants to do. Yeah. And if you've noticed guys like Trudeau and Mark Kron and literally all these guys who are young global leaders

of the World Economic Forum putting in World Economic Forum policies three to six months later after the World Economic Forum announces they want to do this stuff and you see how it's literally just destroying Western countries and driving us into massive debt and it's just mind-boggling to me when I well it's not mind-boggling to me because we know the media lies but when you hear people complaining about Musk and Doge in the US USAID never funded anything like feeding kids in third world countries like you know talk about how they just gave Stacey Abrams two billion dollars through an NGO yeah well

Mike Mike thank you so much for that call I want to stay on topic as it relates to Canada and as it relates to seniors and how they are seeing this election play out. But from one mic, we go to another mic. Thanks so much for calling. Mike, you are a senior, so please tell me what's on your mind. So yeah, kind of a reverse and a conversation on your radio station last week were saying like the seniors are more comfortable not really thinking about who to vote for because we've got our pension, we've got our house paid for. I find as one of your previous callers just said, I'm worried about my kids and my grandchildren and what Canada is going to look like after them. So I find that the younger generation, kind of

my family, don't have the time to delve into this because they're worried about work, they're worried about their kids, they're worried about where they're going to live. So I'm trying to do my due diligence, investigate and provide the information for them so they can make an informed decision. Yeah, like on one hand, you've got the issues like I brought up that, you know, chances are if you got into the housing market in your 30s, and you're a senior today, your house is probably paid off. So you don't really necessarily have to worry about it from that angle. But you're absolutely right. The priority moving forward is what kind of tax hit are my kids going to have when I pass it on to them after after I leave this earth. And I think those are really important questions

that need to be answered on all fronts. Mike, thank you for your call to everyone who called in a great conversation and is one that needs to keep happening over the course of this election campaign. The more we talk to each other, the more we're going to understand each other. So thank you so much. At Desjardins, we speak business. We speak startup funding and comprehensive game plans. We've mastered made to measure growth and expansion advice. And we can talk your ear off about transferring your business when the time comes.

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