The Ben Mulroney Show - Can an arena Toronto council is determined to demolish be saved??

Episode Date: December 4, 2025

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And we want to talk hockey arenas. You know, a few weeks ago, I was invited. to go into Vaughan to I think it was called the Westwood Arena massive huge arena multiple skating surfaces and watched a couple of kids some kids in a ski skate school and I saw I mean it the entire community was there there were so much was going on there I could not believe how important and vital this this arena was for that community and and I was in awe I really was and I was never a hockey rink guy growing up I spent some time in the rink with my kids when they were younger.

This was, if you took this out of that neighborhood, I don't know what would happen to the neighborhood. It's simple as that. It feels like something that defines a childhood for so many people. It is a building block for families, communities. I'm sure there's beer league stuff going on there. There's skate school. There's so many different activities that you can be participating in.

There's businesses that are being run in that arena. It's important stuff, right? Important stuff. So when I hear that Toronto City Council recently approved the plan to demolish Weston Lions Arena, which is historic, and we're talking about that, to make way for a new modern youth-focused community sports hub operated by Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment Foundation, I think to myself, oh, good, they're going to modernize this. It's going to be great, except there's going to be no hockey rink associated with this new launch pad. and so to talk about this,

we're going to talk about one of the only, we're talking to one of the only two people to vote against the demolition of West, Weston Lions Arena. Please welcome to the show, City Councilor, as well as a candidate for mayor next year, our friend of the show, Brad Bradford. Brad, welcome to the show.

Great to be with you, Ben. Good morning, everybody out there. Hope you're staying warm. Okay, so you just heard what I said. Now say something that I didn't say. Well, I would agree. It's really disappointing that we ended up in this situation. And, you know, big fan of the MLSE Foundation, the Launchpad program. But what we have here is a situation where we are cannibalizing existing recreation facilities

here in the city of Toronto. And with a city that's experiencing a lot of growth, a lot of diversity, we need to be investing in the type of community infrastructure. that makes Toronto a great place to live. And this is a situation where the state of good repair work was probably not kept up in the way it should have been, but rather than prioritizing investment in community facilities like rinks,

city council took the path of least resistance and they are effectively cannibalizing an ice rink in a community that really needs it to build something else. And I think we need both. So it was pretty disappointing. And let's give people some context. I mean, the Weston Lions Arena probably did need a major upgrade, if not a complete rebuild from the ground up.

It was built in 49. It was in poor condition, according to those who know. It required an estimated $15 to $21 million in major unfunded repairs. So there was a need, and the fact that there was a partner that stepped up in Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment Foundation and the Launchpad program is great. But Brad, you know, you know city politics better than I. Could there have been a conversation between City Hall and MLSC Foundation to say, listen, the launch pad, great idea.

We really want you to include some sort of ice surface in this launch pad. Could that have happened? You know, it may very well have happened. But I would even just go further and suggest this wasn't the right location for the launch pad. Like, let's find somewhere else. It didn't have to come at the expense of the rink. And you're right, when you look at the cost of whatever the estimates were $20 to $25 million to get this back in a state of good repair, I mean, today at City Hall, they're debating,

spending $30 million on bike lanes. You know, Mayor Chow has her breakfast program that we are now running in public schools. That's got a $25 to $30 million operating cost on an annual basis. So in a budget that is nearly $19 billion on an annual basis, in a world where Torontonians' property taxes have gone up 25% over three years, it seems to me that they should have been able to prioritize and find the money to keep this historic barn open rather than just path of least resistance, shutter it up, demo, and do something else.

I think that's a fail. Brad, prior to the vote, was there a deal? debate on this was there i mean did you get a sense as to what the other city councilors were thinking i mean you and councilor holiday were the only two who voted against its demolition uh did you talk to any of your colleagues to ask them why they were so gung-ho about i mean because look like i said i i just witnessed in with my own eyes up in vaughan how important this uh a rink is to a community and i i literally asked myself if it was gone what would happen to these people What would happen to the character of the community?

What would happen to the lifestyles of the people up here? It would create a whole of the likes of which I don't think anything else would create. And if this arena that has meant so much to generations of people in that community is now all of a sudden gone, what is going to happen? You're right. It's generational, right? And this was not an underutilized rink. Right. Let's be clear.

This rink had ice time booked out to the maximum amount. Okay, so you've got kids programming, you've got adults, rec leagues, you've got hockey schools, all that stuff is going on there, and now they need to find somewhere else to go in the city where competition for Ice Time has never been a higher and we've never had fewer facilities. Yeah. So, you know, I grew up in Hamilton and I spent countless hours at the Dave Vanderchuk Arena out off of Upper James, and that was formative for my experience growing up in the rink there with my mom. And it's the same thing now with my four-year-old daughter, 6.30 in the morning.

We're at Ted Reeve Arena and Mayn and Girard. And it's an old barn just like Weston-Lyons. You have to invest in those facilities to keep them up and running. But they are, to your point, Ben, they are core to community. And there are different communities in Toronto. And we want to support that and have the infrastructure and the facilities to support that. We're a very diverse city and there are different needs. But again, it ought not to be.

come at the cannibalization of existing recreation facilities that have historically made Toronto a great place to live. Well, I'll point out that Scarborough Arena Gardens has been closed since 2020. It's getting a full rebuild and should be open soon. But this is not an extra rink. This is a one-for-one replacement. We're replacing the old with the new. And that's something that happens.

We saw that happen in Leaside a few years ago. But we are not in the business as a city of adding rinks to this. to sort of this sort of to to our city why do you think that is well i mean part of it is there there were zoning changes that that changed deployment and commercial lands that would not permit arenas anymore so that's that's a really technical thing but what that means is the type of space or the type of area where you would be able to build like a quadplex yeah the type of facilities that you see in Vaugh, Markham, Brampton, Waterloo, Hamilton, like, they've all got quads, right? And in some places, I think Waterloo Rim Park, I think, is an eight-plex or something.

We don't have that type of space. And, you know, it makes it even more important that we protect the assets, invest in the assets that we do have. So that it's an option for people to, you know, learn to figure skate in Toronto, or so it's an option for people to learn to play hockey. Like, this is a really core part of the Canadian identity for a lot of people. I think it's a positive thing. And I think we can introduce more people to that if you have facilities that are on transit routes. If you have facilities that are in the core of neighborhoods. But when you start losing that, that's how we make sure that successive generations of Canadians, of Torontoians, don't have access to that.

So I, you know, I'm really perplexed why this decision was made. I'm profoundly disappointed. And I just think, honestly, in a $19 billion budget, trying to find $25 million to keep this thing up and running for another 60 years, it's a huge disappointment. All right, Bradford, City Council for Ward 19 Beaches East York. Appreciate you. Thank you so much for coming on and giving it to us from your perspective. We'll be back again soon. Thanks.

All right. Take care. All right, yeah. So that's the perspective of a city counselor who wanted to, who voted to save a Weston Lions arena. After the break, we're going to be talking to somebody whose entire livelihood depends on that arena. What happens when your business that is housed inside an arena goes away? That's coming up. Don't go anywhere.

This is the Ben Mulroney Show. Welcome back to the Ben Mulroney show. In our previous segment, we had City Councilor Brad Bradford on the show talking about the vote to raise Weston Lions Arena to the ground and replace it with what I'm sure is going to be of great value to the community, which is going to be a launch pad from Maple Leaf Sports and Entertainment Foundation, but not what is there right now.

What is there right now is an institution within that community. It is a decades-old ice rink where kids have learned to skate and play hockey and figure skate and so much more. And to discuss that, we're joined now by Lucas Miller. He is the owner and founder and I guess head guy in charge of Lucas Miller High Performance Hockey School, which I guess Lucas, thank you for being here. Thanks for having me. You've made your home at that arena for how long? 25 years. 25 years. Okay, listen, I've never been to this particular arena. Most people that are probably listening have not been. Paint us a picture of what it is and why it's important to the community. It's a historic site. It's a rink that.

it's not just a rink, it's a community. I'm born and bred in Weston. I grew up there. I went to St. John the Evangelist School, which is just a couple miles away. I played my minor hockey, or I should say, house league hockey at a Weston Lions Arena. My dad, Peter Miller, who's created institutions with hockey, with kids getting scholarships and whatnot,

coach the great Henry Carr Crusader teams with Dan Cameron, Mike Fuda, who you know probably pretty well. He's one of the captains on the team. Just a great, great barn. to me it's the best ice surface in the city I'm at different ranks all the time all my staff is as well they upkeep it great

it's a family feel community based facility which is just again it's a historic site if you ever go in there they have the best French fries in the city of Toronto God I love that's my favorite part of the Lions Club

has done a fantastic job and promoting that and doing that for 75 plus years it's just a great facility Every time I walk in there, I just feel like I'm at home. And that's how everyone does feel. When they come on the ice, whether they're a team, a spectator, whatever it is, it's a home feel. And so your school, your hockey school, you've been entrusted by families in that area to teach their kids how to be leaders on the ice, leaders off the ice, being part of a team, being part of a community, learning how to play by the rules, be gentlemen on the, like there's so many lessons that can be learned. I've always said, like, the best athletes, the best children who become athletes are the ones

who are able to take those, the rules-based play on the ice and then have that inform who they become off the ice, right? And so I, so you've been teaching kids, how old? Oh, anywhere from five years old to OHL pro players, yeah. Wow, wow. And so it's important. It's all about life skills. It's not all what you do on the ice, like you said, Ben.

It's what you do off the ice. want to be a good young boy, a good, a young girl growing up, respect in the community. And that's what this is all about life skills. Okay. So that's, everything's hunky dory. You're just humming along doing this thing you love in a rink that means so much to you and to the community. And then one day you get what news? Got a text from one of the staff at the rink saying that there's going to be a motion put forward to make this facility that we've all called our home into a launch pad. MLSC is going to come in and take over

and create a free programming facility, which to me I think is great. It's a fantastic thing. Let's give back and let's make other people get benefits to fitness, mental health, everything else. No one's disputing the value of that. Absolutely not. I think it's a fantastic idea.

However, to displace thousands of people that use this rinks a week, it hasn't sat well with thousands. no one there was no consultation at all to anyone any of the end years at the rink there's on a Monday night there's a men's league that's been there for 50 plus years yeah well okay where do they go where do they where do we all go that that is that is the question where where would people hypothetically let's say let's say worst case scenario and and and and and you can't save this rink yeah where do kids go where do these adults go where these girls go where these figure

skaters go where does everybody go well with my school I have kids coming from Vaughn, from Burlington, from Atoboco, from West Mall, from Mimico, they come all around the city. It's a community-based rink. It's not just a rink that's the vicinity of a mile apart from where we are. So they come from everywhere. And again, it's on ice, off-ice, life skills. Where do they go? I'm going to be perfectly honest with there's nowhere to go. I've already had due diligence put out to certain rinks in the area. There's no ice time after 4 p.m. on a weekday, zero so and nobody like you've got this established school with tons of kids who would come to you there's everything is so tight that despite what would no doubt be a lot of traffic that would come

with you and a lot of people paying customers that would come with you there are there there's just everyone's at capacity and they so no one's no one's vying for your business no it's it's they're coming from everywhere yeah they're coming from everywhere they're not just coming from here They're coming from everywhere. No, but that's what I mean. Like, you've got a successful business. 100%. Proven track record of being able to get kids in skates and kids on the ice,

which means there's value for other arenas. Yes. But you're saying that we are at capacity around the city. So even if somebody wanted you, there's no room for you. I had a rank, Candelanatatobico, which is now the quench center. They said they would be ecstatic to bring someone like me into their facility. I have an email as of last week. Unfortunately, they, however, cannot because they have no ice after four people.

p.m. on a weekday. So, and decades ago, there was, there was many opportunities. I could have went elsewhere. Yeah. I could have went to another rink and, and probably even did better than I've done. Yeah. However, this is a family knit rink. Like I said, I grew up in Weston. Yeah. Um, it, my dad used to bring my Marley teams there as a kid. My brother, PJ as well, who's a teacher at St. Mike's, we all feel tight knit there. So I'm a loyal person. So I stayed there in order to grow my business. And And then my home-based facility. Do you feel like the rug was pulled out from under you? Like you didn't see this coming.

There was no way. And once you got that text, what did you do? Did you go to City Council? Did you write to anybody? We've done a lot. We've written to City Council. We've talked to counselors. We do now have a website up that is Fight for Western Arena.

And what you can do is you can go online. You can go to that website. You can put your name, your email address, and you can look at there's a letter to support us. and basically that's going to go right to Doug Ford and Olivia Chow. So that's what we're doing. We've been doing all kinds of things since middle of June, but this is our latest kind of venture that we're trying to save the rink.

Yeah. Well, you know, a couple of weeks ago, we were talking about the city sort of getting rid of the board that runs the Green Pea parking service in this city. And that's actually one of the few municipal government services is actually turns of profit. Yeah. But I got to wonder, like these rinks that are owned by the city, right?

They're owned by the city. Yeah. I got to assume that they are so popular that they are running up. They're running of a tidy profit for the city. You would think. There's actually, like I was saying to before, there's a rink in Scarborough that just the city dumped in $30 million. So they had money. They had money to refurbish.

I should say refurbish from top to bottom, brand new facility. Western Arena, I've been told, the Weston Lions Club told Councilor Holiday, he would only need a million dollars a year to gradually. Yeah, bit by bit. Bit by bit. Chip away at the improvement. It doesn't want to gouge or make things cost effective. And that's what myself and what everyone in Western Arena stands for, making programs, organizations, hockey, cost effective because it is expensive.

And we're able to do that because obviously the ice rates are lower. So everyone brings it down and makes sure that everyone can take part in the hockey. Have you heard from families? Have you heard from parents? Have you heard from? Oh, every day. I'm in the rank. What are they telling you?

They're, they're out right. They're just, it's like it's a bad nightmare. It's like, uh, they don't even know what to say. They said, yesterday I was at the rank and I had a team and I had my drop in session and parents are saying, I just, I can't believe that is this really happening? Like it's almost like it's, like I said, it's not happening. It's, a lot of people were, uh, surprised. Yeah. Uh, upset. Um, not notified. There's an organization, the Faustina Toros that's been in there for 30 years. They play their games Friday nights there. Yeah. That's, their home rink. Where do they go? Where does everyone go? There's nowhere to go. And that's the sad part of all this. If there was another rank band to go to, yeah.

No problem. But there's nowhere. And again, I'm not going to sit here and be too judgy because I don't know enough about it. But it seems to me, if we are at capacity in the city with all the rinks and the proof is in what you just said that even despite your successful business, there's no room for you to move. Right.

So clearly there is demand for this. We've reached the peak of what we can do. that demand and if these rings at that demand are not a terrible suck on on on the public purse if in fact some of them are turning a tidy profit it's it wouldn't be in the city's best interest to build more because you would they would make more money the holiday season is full of choices cranberry sauce or gravy sauce or gravy Red wrapping paper or green. Squeeze your child into last year's coat or layer them up.

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And today we are talking about one of those things. We're talking about the Weston Lions Arena, which is slated for demolition and to be replaced with what is of value, no doubt, an MLSC Foundation launch pad, which is going to offer all sorts of fun athletic services for all sorts of kids. But what it is not going to have is what it is replacing, ice rink. And we're talking with Lucas Miller. He is the owner and founder. that's what, 25 years of the Lucas Miller high performance hockey school at that very arena. And we're talking about the loss for that community. Today is not a day to judge or attack or criticize the decision.

There will be other people who can do that. Instead, I think today is about talking about what this loss could mean for the community and perhaps a way to save it because these things are important. And it might not be important to you. Look, I don't play hockey. It might not be important to me, but I know how important these things are to communities. And we ask you to give us a call, and we're going to start with Joe. Joe, welcome to the Ben Mulroney Show.

Tell us what that arena means to you. Well, my kids both did learn to skate there. They did figure skating with the figure skating club that was out of that arena as well. My son played hockey, and I even played recreational hockey there. And I'm really peeved at all this because this was originally something that was donated to the city by the Western Lion. All right. Wait, hold on it. So you're saying the Western Lions organization built it and then donated it to the city?

Yes, they did. Interesting. And as I know, that's the facts I know. Yeah. And now to hear that MLSC has gotten their claws in it is like that goes sideways to be. Yeah, well, you know what? I don't want to attack MLSC. That foundation does really good work.

And we don't know what discussions happen with the city. We don't know whether there was any talk of building a rink or not building a rink or I have no idea. So I don't want to attack MLSC because that foundation does a lot of very good work. I do have one last question for you, Joe. Do they in fact, as my guest, Lucas Miller says, have the best French fries in the city? Yes, they do. Well, that for me is the reason to save it. Thank you for the call. I appreciate it, my friend. Yeah, so there you go. A guy, his entire family has learnt to skate there and it means something to him very much. Yeah, I don't want this to be an attack on anybody today. This is not, this is not that. Although,

I guarantee you somewhere inside of you, you want to do that. Yeah, there's got to be a part of you that's, there's looking to, you know what? Like MLSC is a fantastic organization and, and they, to create a launch pad for underprivileged kids and stuff like that and free programming is fantastic. However, the last, the first launch pad they did it somewhere down here, downtown was an abandoned roller ring for four years. So you weren't uprooting or displacing anyone. Yeah. In this situation, you're displacing thousands of people a week. You're destroying a community, man.

It's not just a rink. It's not just, you know what I mean? You're fraying the bonds that tie people together. And then you go back to what I said before. Without something like this, you're not a community anymore. You're just people living shoulder to shoulder. That's it. Well, let's check in with Lisa.

Lisa, thanks so much for calling in. What does this arena mean to you? How you doing? I'm well, thanks. 30 years. Good. 30 years in Weston. Nobody in Weston, not that I know of, was consulted.

A few quick points. female hockey, women's hockey is growing at a rate that can't be stopped. We all know that it doesn't pay as much. City ranks offer the ability for families to make it more affordable.

Lisa, I want my guest, Lucas, to chime in as well to talk about how important female hockey is. Oh my gosh. And nowadays, from a good colleague of mine, Humber Valley, Ross Betoves, he's telling is that, you know, female

hockey is playing a premium nowadays. They're paying even more than the regular boy and boy. Really? Yeah. So we need female hockey to continue to grow and to give them opportunity to grow. Well, that's a good point. That's a good point. That's a really good point. I hadn't thought about that. Lisa, thanks for highlighting that for us. Appreciate it. Let's go to Lucas. No, to Luke, I'm sorry. Luke, welcome. We got Lucas with me here. Luke, say hi to Lucas. Hi, Lucas. Hey, how you guys doing? Good. Good. Listen, I coach a U-13 team. And we play. out of there every Friday nights. I've been coaching them for four years. In fact, our whole

organization plays out of there every Friday nights and we practice there one to two times a week. I mean, I got to tell you, let me just to paint a picture for you. Friday, the parents, the kids, Friday night is like our hockey night and Kenner. And when you walk

into that rink, I mean, you can feel the stories coming out of the walls. I mean, the place has a soul. It's different from all the other rinks. I mean, you know, just in terms of it's architecture, actually from a historical perspective, I can't even believe how they would consider tearing that down. Let's not get in the rest of it. But like, I mean, when my boys heard that we were going to be closing, I mean, they were so disappointed. They were to be closing. They

were so disappointed. And I thought, well, maybe we're going to, we're going to have to find a rink. And we went looking for other rinks. I can tell you, even the cost for practices. I mean, the privately run rinks are at least a couple of 100, 100, 150 to $200 more an hour than than a city-run rink like this. And so everything's going to get escalated if we can find it. We may be down to only one. We need two practices a week. We may be only down to one.

Hey, Luke, I'm going to have to let you go because there are a lot of people lining up who want to talk to us about what this arena means to them. Thank you so much. I'm really sorry that this is hitting you as hard as it is. Yeah, I mean, listen, are you ready? Because we got more of these stories coming up. Let's go to Phyllis. Phyllis, grew up in Weston.

You were there almost every Friday night. Yes, Ben. I, as a teenager, I'm in my 70s now. I went to Western Collegiate. We used to go there Friday nights for ice skating. My brother played hockey there. It was a real community meeting place, even 50 years ago. Yeah.

And I'm very sad to hear that they're doing that because it's all part of the community. Hey, Phyllis, thank you so much for bringing that up. And I do want to say this. You know, Phyllis, Phyllips 71, she's been going for 50 years. Is there the possibility of bringing in the historic, like a historical designation that would prevent it from being destroyed? I would hope and, and, I think you guys got to look into that. Like I was saying earlier, Ben, like it's, it's funny that she just called in, Phyllis, because we were discussing earlier about the men's league that's in there on Monday nights, 50 years, 50 years. But there could be, there could be some, if certain things, if certain people have played there or if certain things,

happened there and if they're long enough it could warrant some sort of historical designation which would then prevent it from being changed too too much you might want to look into that yeah 100% okay I can't believe but people are still calling in so let's go to darrell thanks so much for calling okay you're you're not happy you're crushed I am crushed it's you know for a lot of the same reasons that everybody else has spoken about and and and the last caller reminded me something else. I grew up in North Bay. I'm in my early 60s. When I was a kid, we watched the North Bay Trappers, and one of their main rivals was the Weston Dodgers. So years later, to be in the Thursday Night Men's Club League that has been around, I've been in the league

30 years, the league's been around, actually the founders of the league played minor hockey in the building. And then back to what you're saying about the building itself, look at all the different commercials that are shot in that building, almost at least one every hockey season, Every Tamp Horton's commercial that you see in an arena with that baby blue wall. That's Western Arena. And then the architecture. You don't make arenas like that. So I'm telling you that.

I mean, I think you guys really have to look into this, Lucas. I think, hey, thank you for that. We've got time for one more call. So, Chris, you get the last word on this on the phones. Thanks so much for calling in. Yeah, well, I'm in my early 60s, too. And it's kind of, it's really sad that we're going to lose a hockey rink, which is part of the Canadian culture.

and it's ironic that the richest hockey team in the world is getting rid of it. So, you know, it's really sad. They got the money so they can make the decisions. Well, listen, here's hoping we're appealing to their better angels, my friend, because I know a lot of people in MLSC, they are a good, good, decent people who want to do right. And, you know, we don't know all the entire story, so I'm not looking to cast aspersions at all. However, I'm now, I now have this stuck in my own. Thank you, Chris, for the call.

really appreciate it. Lucas isn't now stuck in my head. I have a feeling that you may want to make a play for historic designation because that prevents certain things from happening to certain buildings. 100%. And we've destroyed so many buildings that are historical in nature in this city. There's a pushback against doing that too quickly. So you guys might want to look at that.

But regardless, we only have a couple of seconds. Let's remind people of the website. The website, Fight for Western Arena.com. All you have to do is put your name, your email, and there's a letter. of support, and that letter is going to go directly to Doug Ford and Olivia Chow. All you have to do is push, submit, it goes to them, and hopefully you can make a stand and make this well-known. And Lucas promised me that if there's any news, you're going to get in touch with my producer,

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