The Ben Mulroney Show - Canada says no deal to Donald Trump, retaliatory tariffs stay in place until the threat is gone for good

Episode Date: March 7, 2025

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With partial shares from TD Direct Investing, you can own less than one full share, so expensive stocks are within reach. Learn more at td.com slash partial shares. TD, ready for you. Well, we made it to the weekend, Canada. Welcome to the Friday edition of the Ben Mulroney Show. Thank you so much for joining us. I want to welcome all of our listeners in London as well as Toronto, or you may be listening from all points on the iHeartRadio app or perhaps in podcast form. Wherever you find us, thank you very much. I want to take a moment to highlight something I did last night. I went to an event. I hosted an event called Guts and Glory here in the City of Toronto. It's an event in furtherance of the hard work

that's done at Covenant House, which is an incredible organization that helps homeless youth get their feet under them and give them the skills that they need to enter the workforce, reenter society, gives them all the tools that they need. And it was the 10th year of Guts and Glory. And Guts and Glory is the brainchild

of my brother-in-law, Andrew Lapham, who is one of the finest individuals I've ever met. And he years ago came up with this idea of sort of physical challenges that teams would compete in and raise money for charity. And over the last 10 years, it's raised over $4 million for the hard work

at Covenant House. And that's keeping in mind that there were a couple of years of the pandemic where they couldn't do it. And he has worked diligently for 10 years on this thing. And to watch the appreciation from the people at Covenant House for that hard work, I couldn't start the show without thanking Andrew for putting this together, for steering that ship, and for ensuring that every year it goes off without a hitch. He competes every year. And it's just one of the great,

one of the great fundraising events that I have the privilege of being associated with. Also, the food is fantastic. The kids at Covenant House who work on the food there, just phenomenal. The chicken and waffles, I tell you, just amazing. Anyway, congratulations, Andrew. And thank you for always including me.

There's a lot to get to today. We... I was gonna start with the Trump tariffs. We will be talking about those over the course of the morning and over the course of the day. But instead, I want to start with Justin Trudeau, who found himself at a podium yesterday. And... Trudeau, who found himself at a podium yesterday. And, and he, he rattled off all the things he's had to navigate as prime minister.

Your foreign affairs minister yesterday called all of this a psycho drama. How do you characterize it? Thursday. I've had 10 years of Donald Trump won historic once in a century pandemic, inflation crises, war in Ukraine as Russia returns to war in Europe as the Middle East is facing extraordinarily difficult situations. These have been complicated times. This is the job I signed up for. This is the job I will continue to do until the very last moment I'm doing this job.

And it comes with the territory to be steady and strong for Canadians. This has been the honor of my life serving Canadians. Had he ended that at Thursday, it would have been one of the best lines he has ever uttered as prime minister. It was perfect. It was absolutely perfect. But then he had to keep talking. And listen, I concede he's had a lot on his plate.

So does every prime minister. And yes, the pandemic, the pandemic, yes. But when people tell me that he got us through the pandemic, he credit where credit is due, the prime minister got us through the pandemic. With all due respect, name one country that doesn't exist today, that existed before the pandemic. Name one country that the pandemic took down. That's not a litmus test.

Every country still exists today. It's how well did we get through it? And when you see how much money we printed and how much money we spent and what we got for that money, no, I do not believe the prime minister acquitted himself well. I just don't. I was hopeful.

I was like, look, if we're gonna spend this amount of money, if we're gonna print this much money, well, so long as when we come out of it, we have new infrastructure and systems in place that care for everyone. The amount of money, care for everyone. No, we have none of that. We have none of that.

We've been saddled with more debt than we know what to do with and programs we can't pay for and crumbling infrastructure. So I don't know what we got for the money. That to me is not a shining moment for him. And then he continued. This is the one I wanna spend a couple of minutes on.

Justin Trudeau condemning rising antis anti semitism, you got to hear this one. Anti semitism is on the rise, particularly since Hamas's brutal barbaric terrorist attack of October 7th. Holocaust Holocaust denialism is on the rise. Violent extremism is on the rise. Violent extremism is on the rise. What we, what you, are experiencing is not normal. Anti-Semites singing the praises of Hamas and Hezbollah while waving their flags in the streets of our cities is not normal. Jewish students being shouted down in their classrooms and campuses for simply expressing

their identity, their opinions, their beliefs is not normal. Okay. Alright. All things being equal, anytime someone adds their voice, no matter how late in the game, to condemning anti-Semitism is a good thing. But all things are not equal. This is our prime minister with absolutely nothing at stake anymore. He is on his way out. When things mattered, he did nothing. When he could have lost something politically,

he chose to hedge. When he worried about, when votes were at stake, when political capital was at stake, he sends a Jewish member of parliament out to speak to Jews and he sends somebody else out to say something completely different to Muslim communities. While his hometown was burning at the hands of the anti-Semites, he was dancing at a Taylor Swift concert. No, sir, anti-Semitism is not rising.

It has risen. And as it was rising, you were bereft of leadership. It is insulting to those who have put their necks out on the line, who have stood up for the Jewish community, who have said, this is wrong from day one. It is insulting for you to stand there with a voice dripping in condescension, pretending to be a voice of leadership

on this file. No, sir, you have not done enough. Your voice does not matter today. You should not, you didn't say it then, you should not have opened your mouth yesterday. And let's finish with this, this cherry on top. Synagogues and Jewish day schools being attacked and firebombed by cowards in the night is not normal. The increasingly common deafening indifference toward or even rationalization of rising anti-Semitism is not normal. The term Zionist increasingly being tossed around as a pejorative in spite of the fact that it simply means believing in the right of Jewish people, like all people, to determine their own future is not normal.

No one in Canada should ever be afraid to call themselves a Zionist. I am a Zionist. You're a Zionist the same way you are a feminist, in that you aren't one. Mr. Prime Minister, the facts are there for people to see. You have been nowhere on this file. When the country demanded, required, begged for leadership, you were absent from the debate. You do not get to come in and have an 11th hour conversion because you think it might help the next leader of your party curry favor with the Jewish community.

You don't get to do that. No, sir. No, sir. Not good enough. Welcome back to the Ben Mulroney Show. You just heard my opinion. I wanna hear yours at 416-870-6400 or 1-888-225.

Talk with all the tariffs, not not tariffs pulling back of tariffs or a pause on tariffs Our premier Doug Ford has decided to stay the course Ontario will not walk back retaliatory measures despite the one month tariff exemption Because Doug Ford says we need stability We need to know that these tariffs have been removed forever. Not just the tariffs, but the threat of tariffs needs to be lifted. We cannot live like this. We cannot live at the pleasure of the president who, on a whim,

can change his mind and throw our country and our province into chaos. Is this the right call? Should we keep the pressure on? Or should we reciprocate and go through this dance again in a month? I want to hear from you. 416-870-6400 or 1-888-225

talk. My opinion is that this is the right move. It feels like most Canadians, most Ontarians have girded for a worst-case scenario. We know things will get bad and we're willing to weather that. And we as a country, we as a province cannot compete toe-to-toe with the president, with the United States. We know that if we get into a fair fight with the

United States, we will lose. So in this instance, it's not David versus Goliath, it's the US Army versus the Viet Cong. We are going to lean in to the chaos that the president is causing, and we are gonna make that chaos worse because the president can't stand when the stock market tanks, and he can't stand when his poll numbers go down,

and he cannot risk losing the House or the Senate. All of those things can be tweaked, can be influenced by the chaos that is sown by this tariff situation. Let's welcome Frank to the show. Frank, what say you? Good morning, Ben. I think you just hit the nail right on the head right there

regarding, I think, the main priority, main agenda or hidden agenda that they don't lose the House two years down the road. And I think he's being probably pushed by some of his cabinet members and Republican representatives. And so he needs to walk a fine line. If he's too excessive and extreme in trying to accomplish these successes, at the same time putting at risk this popular vote right now, because it is declining as

a result of things that have transpired over the past two weeks. And so I think that there may be some bluff involved in what Trump is doing. And Doug Ford and the prime minister have acknowledged this, because it's going to come to a point where eventually I think Trump is going to actually start agreeing to negotiate to lift some of the tariffs because they don't want to lose the House. If they lose the House, then everything's going to be quashed because I think that the Democrats at that point will kind of make a decision unilaterally together to cancel

what Trump's imposed in that executive order. I think so. I think he knows he's got four years here. He doesn't have the pleasure of running again, which means he has to accomplish a whole lot in four years. And he knows that if he doesn't do a lot of it in the first two, he may not get the chance to do a lot in his back two. But thank you very much for that.

Let's bring in Tom. Tom, you think that this tactic is a mistake. Yes, I do. I was only a few weeks ago before the elections that we were hearing that we needed to build more nuclear power plants to supply our energy needs. And now we're gonna lose our only customer potentially. They'll just look and say,

well, won't we build our own plants instead of let them build them in Canada? And we're gonna have industry if industry leaves. I hate saying Trump's gonna get his way, but I honestly believe that we're playing into his hand. We're giving him the reason that, hey, they're charging us, let's build our own plants and get associated. I get that it's a risk,

but I think Donald Trump underestimated who he was going up against, not because we can win, like I said, in a one-on-one battle, but I believe that in that first interaction that he had with Justin Trudeau at Mar-a-Lago, he sensed weakness. There was a part of the conversation where I believe Donald Trump with Justin Trudeau at Mar-a-Lago, he sensed weakness. There was a part of the conversation where I believe Donald Trump and Justin Trudeau

acknowledged that these tariffs would destroy our economy. I think that was part of the narrative. And I think he got it in his head. Yeah, I actually have that power over this economy and I can get exactly what I want out of them. He did not realize that everyone would come at him and that we as a nation would be prepared to go through some tough times because we're not going to be bullied. And I don't think he expected that. And the chaos that ensued, especially in the stock market, which is the number one indicator for Donald Trump in terms of what he views as a barometer for his success,

I don't think he anticipated that. But anyway, just my, just my two cents. Let's see if anybody else agrees with me. Sarah, what say you? Doug Ford for doing this. You know, you cannot wait for Donald Trump to say, yeah, now we're gonna do the tariffs. What if he actually did take it back and, you know, he would just make himself look extremely weak. We can't look weak in Ontario.

And Doug Ford is doing everything he can to show Donald Trump that he's not the boss and we are our own sovereign nation. Yeah, yeah, I agree with you. And look, what I don't get is Donald Trump has the win right in front of him. The pretext for these tariffs was the fentanyl crisis. And yes, even one fentanyl death is a tragedy,

but the numbers do not bear out the solution that the Americans have brought to bear on it as it relates to the tariffs on Canada. So he could just as easily say, numbers do not bear out the solution that the Americans have brought to bear on it as it relates to the tariffs on Canada. So he could just as easily say, yeah, I got the Canadians to agree to $1.3 billion in additional funding for the border. They've created a fentanyl czar. They've listed the cartels as terrorist organizations.

I got them to do what I needed. America is safer. Thank you. And he can take his victory lap and move on. I don't know why he hasn't done that yet, but we'll have to see the day is young. Rick, welcome to the Ben Mulroney show. Hey, yeah, I love what Doug Ford is doing.

I mean, you know, they go toe to toe, but just to keep it on because he changed, Trump changes his mind more than I changed my underwear. I mean, my goodness. But I heard an interesting article this morning while in interviewer with a Ukrainian reporter saying that Trump is doing the same thing that Putin did before he raided Ukraine same rhetoric everything that you know, they don't have to exist or whatever

so she says that Canada should worry about that, but I'm not going to but it's just interesting. What do you say about that? I think I think I think that the rhetoric is one thing. Action is different. Like as somebody said, you know, you've got to you've got to be able to differentiate between the signal and the noise. There is a lot of noise that comes out of the the Trump administration. The signal is what I'm focused on the the terrorists themselves and it looks like he's negotiating against himself You know, and it looks like he's dealing with a lot more pushback quiet pushback for sure

We're not hearing a lot of it, but there is pushback which is leading to him walking these things back Anyway, thank you so much for the call Justin. Welcome to the Ben Mulroney show Hey Ben, thanks for taking my call yet. I'm gonna say keep the tariffs on and I'm going to qualify that for you. What I've seen is not only this country uniting, but I'm a military brat. Okay. And I know that I spent half of my childhood without my dad around because he was on tours around the world. Canadians have always stood up and fought for what was right.

We fought we fight for human rights. We signed our names to wars in the name of good. We're admired, we're adored, and we're valued and loved around this world. And not to mention that we are an extremely rich resource, rich country and nation. I can keep the tariff on because the flood of support that I've seen from around the world of people coming to us, I think I'm tariff on because the flood of support that I've seen from around the world of people coming to us, I think I'm going to put it in a metaphor for you. Trump picked a fight with us in the schoolyard and he didn't think that the entire school and faculty was going to come to our side and they haven't.

I think he realized now not only do they need us, but you're not just picking a fight with Canada, you're picking a fight with every one of our allies, what we stood shoulder to shoulder with all soldiers that fought and died for. Well thank you very much. With the notable exception of Keir Starmer of the UK, that feckless leader who didn't want to upset the King, could have said that Canada was a staunch ally and a friend and a great neighbor and ally and he did none of those things but I believe he's going to be one and done so that's on him. We got time for a couple more calls so let's welcome Al to the show. Good morning Ben, Prime Minister Ben. It's Al. Listen I'm just making an observation uh... you know that regarding auto uh... you know shut down and everything i found it really

interesting that uh... he consulted very late after he had but the terms on the consulted with the three g m presidents which basically said it's going to be a disaster across the board so he got proves just i'd agree with your article yesterday about what's going to happen on the side with the Emergencies Act and no election until October, 100%. Anyway, it proves that he's insulated, he's acting and then thinking about it afterwards.

So normally you would have consulted those presidents and then acted. Exactly, but he's impulsive that way. And that served him well to a certain extent, but on this file he's getting pushed back. Anyway, we're going to take more of your calls on this when we continue on The Ben Mulroney Show. This may be The Ben Mulroney Show, but for the time being, this is your show. I want to hear your opinions on where we stand as a province. Our premier is holding fast. He's saying he will not take off the retaliatory measures that Ontario is imposing on electricity,

for example. Despite the one month tariff exemption on many Canadian goods, he's gone on American television to say that's not good enough. Relieving us of the tariffs temporarily is not good enough. We need the threat of the tariffs to be removed because it's that uncertainty that is going to kill investment, is going to kill jobs, it's going to drive up interest rates

and make life worse for everyone. And I wanna hear from you at 416-870-6400 or 1-888-225-TALK and tell me if you think Doug Ford is onto something. Let's welcome Shiva to the show. Shiva, what do you think? Hello, Ben. How are you doing? I'm well, thank you. I usually agree with a lot of you have to say. I'm I'm I'm agree with you kind of right

now. All right, I'll hear you out. Let's go for it. I'll make it quick. So basically, you mentioned that, you know, Trump took the easy win right now because Canada gave the 1.3 billion in security and things like that, right? Yep. And you're probably right. Just maybe though, maybe he's not an actual politician like the past, politicians we've had in the past, and maybe he actually wants real wins, not just political wins.

Maybe he actually cares about the, he wants zero friends at all, and he really wants to kill the cartels in Canada and in Mexico. Maybe he is putting that pressure, maybe he's saying, look, you know what? Yeah, I get you numbers, point, whatever, and low, but I want it at zero. And this is what I want this way. Well, if that's really what he wants, then he should beef up his border

because we can't cure every single ill in the world. We can, there's no way that we're going to rid our country of all fentanyl. It's a fiction. And so what little is getting through, that's on his border, just as the crystal meth and the cocaine and the drugs that come from his country are on us to stop. We would very much like it if cocaine and crystal meth didn't exist anymore, but that is on him. And for him to have said that it is at such crisis levels that he needed to usurp Congress's right to tariff and declare it a national emergency

is a fiction that nobody believes. Nobody believes. But if it is a fiction, then he can take the fictitious win. That's at least, that's my interpretation of the facts on the ground. Cam, what do you think about all this? Well, he did that because he didn't have to go to Congress. Exactly. Okay. In other words, the it was like Trudeau pulling the Emergency Act for truckers

in Ottawa. Okay, yeah, same thing. Yeah, you know what I hadn't thought about, I hadn't linked those two things. That's a very good point. I hadn't linked those two things before, but you're right. Oh, I didn't mean to cut you off, but thank you very much. That is a very good point. There are some similarities between Canada's left and MAGA, especially as it relates to, you know, if you're not with me, then you're un-Canadian or un-American. They love doing that up here. And they don't seem to appreciate that that is right out of the MAGA playbook. Stephen, welcome to the Ben Mulroney show. Good morning. And I used to meet your father at trompeau years

ago. Oh, wonderful. Wonderful. Reading this morning, what was going on, that the US is going to even be taxing goods that are not even going to stay in the U.S., but are just passing through, which are going from Mexico to Canada, we should do the same that are goods that are going from the U.S. to Alaska and passing through Canada. Well, I think, listen, I know that we've got a $30 billion tariff package right now, and that's supposed to go up almost fivefold in what two and a half weeks.

So I do believe that the Canadian government on this terror file is well prepared. And I think when they say that they're designed to inflict maximum damage, I believe when they say that it's not necessarily maximum economic damage, but but maximum political damage. I think they want to make sure that the pain is felt where Donald Trump needs no pain to be felt. So that when he looks at the lay of the land in terms of who his allies are, they are the ones that he is depending on come the midterms are in trouble.

That the people of those states, the people of those districts are the ones who are feeling this pinch so that because it doesn't take a lot to topple this, the super majority that he has, it really doesn't. And I don't think I don't think any of us want to be playing this game, but it's a game that we've been forced to play. And if we're going to play it, let's play it as well as we possibly can. Jeff, what say you on this file? Hey, Ben, we just I think we have to be a little bit careful here.

At the end of the day, the U.S. can trade with whoever they want to trade with, right? Yeah. It just says same with Canada, and the U.S. is 14 times the size of our economy. So we need to be careful. It doesn't mean, I mean, we have to stand up for ourselves, but we need to be careful of what we're pushing at. Yep. I'm not sure Mr. Ford's plan is right because at the end of the day, the Americans are pretty entrepreneurial and maybe they'll find sources of electricity

that will on a long term basis hurt Ontario. Oh, this could absolutely, this is a big risk. It's a big risk. No, nobody wants to be playing this game, but I think we as a nation and we as a province are going in with our eyes open. I think we're prepared for this to go sideways and for the Americans to outmaneuver us

on one day or another, but certain things don't change. And the uncertainty is going to hurt the stock market. I mean, it was down almost 500 points yesterday. I don't know where it's opened thus far. We'll take a look during the break. But this is the uncertainty is what hurts Donald Trump. And like that, that is that is something he cannot change if he is going to constantly punt the ball and say, oh, we're going to take a look in another couple of weeks or three weeks or four weeks. That is going to cause uncertainty in the market and that is going to cause the Dow Jones to be in the red and that he can't push back against. Nothing he can do.

And that's what Doug Ford is asking for. Get rid of this so we have certainty and the markets can rebound and everybody wins. Phil, what do you think of this? Yeah, quickly, I just worry that if I would say a Kentucky senator who'd been telling Trump to, you know, knock it off, I might now go, well, you know what, Donald, you tried and this Ford guys being Mr. Tough guy, you tried to give him a reprieve to negotiate and now he's showing off so the heck with them. I'm worried that may happen.

Yeah, see, there's something about this notion of a reprieve that doesn't sit well with me. We do not exist in the court of Donald Trump. We are not the court jester. We don't come in and perform for him in the hopes of pleasing him. That's not how this works. We're an independent sovereign nation with an ironclad trade deal that he negotiated, that he called the greatest trade deal of all time. And then he turns around and says, whoever negotiated it was an idiot. His whims are not our concern.

What we are concerned with is stable markets and a stable business environment. And he is sowing chaos and we are trying to restore order. And so I don't have a problem with being a little more aggressive than we otherwise would be, because I don't like the idea of having to please a man who can change his mind on any subject at any moment for any reason.

That is, that doesn't work for me. Andre, what do you think? Over. Hi, can you hear me? Yes, I can. We are all doing it wrong. We are, what we hear here is only one problem. Once the Justin Trudeau is gone, we don't have anybody that Trump will fight with. So we are basically, this is personal between Trump and Justin Trudeau.

Once Justin Trudeau is gone, we're okay. Well, listen, maybe, entirely possible. Donald Trump is transactional, and so personal relationships matter to him. But if that's the case, he's certainly not helping somebody who I think could acquit himself very well in a bilateral with Donald Trump, And that's Pierre Poliev.

He's made his job harder to get elected. But that is that's a conversation for another day. Welcome back to the Ben Mulroney show. And when we go to the doctor, we go because there's either something wrong or it makes sense for preventative reasons to get a checkup. But we don't often go to the doctor and then find out that we've put ourselves at increased risk to our health. We go there to prevent that risk. So when I read this morning

in the Toronto Sun that about 2,500 patients of a Toronto gynecologist were potentially exposed to HIV or hepatitis. I think to myself that this something's broken here. What the heck is going on? So to discuss this and a few other medical stories we're joined by a good friend of mine and the show Dr. Nadia Allam, family doctor and past president of the Ontario Medical Association. Doctor, welcome to the show. What is this story all about? Good morning, Ben. I was reading that too, and it is devastating. Like I agree when the patient who was affected,

who interviewed for the article said that trust was broken. Yeah. So for any procedures done in office, you've got two options. You've got the option of using reusable equipment, which has been done so for decades, right? You have to have strict sterilization procedures between patients, because remember, a lot of these procedures will be bloody. Yeah. Right? So you could have IUD insertions that are bloody.

When I'm taking off skin cancers, they're bloody. Yeah. So you have to protect against illnesses that are transmitted through blood. And primarily those include HIV and the various, some of the hepatitis. Yeah. You have to sterilize those ones very carefully. There are

public health Toronto is right. There are strict rules around this that are enforced. And it's an honor system to make sure that you stay up to the standards. So so doctor, Toronto Public Health doesn't have an enforcement wing. Like there's no what's what's what's Toronto Public Health's job in in in this dynamic between patient and gynecologist. They have to set the standards, right? They are involved in that because they are infection control experts. And that said, there are 43,000 doctors around Ontario. Many of them, thousands of them are concentrated in Toronto. And so the ability for Toronto Public Health, I mean, we know that Toronto Public Health, along with the other public health groups, their budgets were slashed just pre-pandemic. I don't know how much of that has been recovered,

but it's certainly been a step back. Well, let me tell you something, doctor. When I read this story, I thought, you know, I'm glad that Toronto Public Health, as soon as they found out, sent a letter to these 2,500 patients. However, what I thought was a little disappointing, or it said, Toronto Public Health recommends that affected individuals consult their healthcare provider for testing. If it were me, I would think Toronto Public Health should set up testing for these people so that they can go immediately.

Here's an address, go here, it's all taken care of, go get yourself checked. Like, I don't, someone finds out that they may have been exposed to HIV. I think the people warning me that this could be the thing should also be the same people helping me and guiding me to a testing facility. And that would be ideal.

And in some provinces, Toronto Public Health, not necessarily Toronto Public Health, but in some provinces, Public Health is involved with way more than just infectious disease. They're involved with taking care of maternal fetal health in the early parts of just after delivering a baby. So they would do all the immunizations and all of that.

Unfortunately in Ontario, Toronto Public Health is not funded to do so. And so one, people should advocate for making sure the public health units are funded so that they can provide more programs. Because what I do worry about is what if there are patients whose family doctors are retiring or are going to retire and aren't going to be following up

or able to follow up on these tests and investigations. What happens to them? That was one of my first immediate thoughts. I've had patients who've come in and who've been exposed to potential bloodborne illnesses at places like nail salons or tattoo parlors, things like that. And it's a lot of testing and it's a lot of monitoring because some tests can become positive later on, right?

Some tests only become positive. There's like a delay between getting the illness and testing positive. Yeah. Hey, I want to get to another story before we lose you, unfortunately. And explain to me why measles are rising in Canada. I mean, I thought if you wanted to go to school

in this country, if you wanted to be, you have to get your child immunized against measles. Like all my kids had to get that before they were even allowed in a public school. So how have we gotten to a place where measles are rising according to Canada's top doctor? Because more people are opting out of the measles vaccine. But how are you allowed to do that?

You can't participate in society if you don't have the measles vaccine. It's, and I get the fear. I get the fear of being a parent wanting to make the best decision you can for your kids. The problem is our vaccination campaigns from the past

have been a victim of their own success. By taking away these illnesses, a lot of people have no idea how serious these illnesses are. Most of the time with measles, you are so sick that you can't actually participate in a lot of things.

Plus you should be isolating because there's a 90. So if you're around someone who has measles, even if they're not symptomatic, so even if they're not coughing or anything like a feeling sick with a fever, you have a 90% chance of getting that. Yeah. Just by being in the same room. It is wildly contagious. Okay. So explain to me what the American parents are doing holding measles parties. Oh, it's like the similar to the chickenpox parties that are also popular in the States. The thought is that it will encourage natural immunization.

The problem is, yeah, I know, I growled like that too when I saw it and I wanted to bang my head on a wall saying, why are you endangering your child unnecessarily? There are enough- Talk to me about that danger. What risk are you putting on your child by bringing them to a place where somebody, where they could volunteer, voluntary for you,

contract measles? So what could happen is they'll get the illness. They won't show it for up to three weeks, but during that time, they are still contagious. And when that happens, they're spreading around, like I said, 90% transmission rate. You are pretty much guaranteed to have it being in the same room as someone with measles You can get very sick with it. It isn't just a cough runny nose runny eyes fever and a

Kind of sore throat you can have a significant rash. It can continue developing until you have pneumonia You could get developing until you have pneumonia, you could get significant brain inflammation, so much so that you end up with deafness, you could die from measles. Are those knock-on effects being tracked as well in Canada and the United States? Are we seeing that we're not just seeing a rise in measles cases, but are we seeing a rise in people suffering from all of those negative effects as well? Correct. So we've already seen that there's seeing a rise in people suffering from all of those negative effects as well? Correct. So we've already seen that there's been a rise,

there's been 227, 230 odd cases across Canada now, more are coming through because remember, people aren't symptomatic right away. So they may not go to their doctor right away. Because of how contagious measles are, when a doctor suspects someone has measles, they actually can't use that room or that waiting room or that part of the clinic for at least two hours. Doctor, we're going to have to leave it there,

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