The Ben Mulroney Show - Could you run a super marathon every day... for 75 days???!!! Let's talk to the man.

Episode Date: August 8, 2025

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Okay, so we're going to get into your backstory in a moment, but we have to talk about what you're doing right now. Yeah, for sure. It would, if we rewound the clock to 2023, yeah. The accomplishment is a massive heavy. line, having run 22 marathons in 22 days, from Revelstoke to Victoria. And so that's incredible in its own right.

And you pick 22 because? So in 2011, the U.S. Marines conducted a study that revealed that 22 veterans a day commit suicide. So I thought, well, let's raise some awareness. And obviously, that's in the United States. Yeah. But it's still a number. It's still a number. It's a number that matters.

It's still a number that matters. but if you were to incorporate Canada, first responders, that number obviously goes up. So I wanted to highlight that number. So you did 22. I mean, I've run one marathon in my life. We'll talk about how pathetic that was in a moment. But you did 22 and 22 days.

And you did, and congratulations for that. Fast forward to this year, and you decide to up your game. Yeah, just a little bit. Okay, so tell us what you're doing now. So starting June 16th, just about 54 days ago, I believe. I started running across Canada. initially started off running 100 kilometers a day and then we transitioned into 50 kilometers a day

for, and I'm sure we'll get into the reasons why we should be pivoted, but since then I've been running 50 kilometers a day across the country. Every day. We've had about three or four rest days. Three or four rest days. Okay, look, how do you, what's your day like?

Wow, that's a great question. What time do you wake up? I'll get up around 7 in the morning. Okay. I'll have my breakfast. How many calories do you consume in a day? All of them. All the calories.

All of them. All the calories. Are you on a strict diet? No. No, it's whatever you want to eat because you just need fuel. I mean, I eat whatever I can, however I can. And as long as I can keep it down, we're good. Okay.

Yeah. Okay. And let's talk about the physical condition that you're, I couldn't walk for two days after the one marathon I ran 10 years ago. Well, that's, I mean, look, like anything, it takes time and training to get your body ready for anything. Yes, I can see that. Yeah. This is, this is pushing your body beyond what it was probably intended to do.

Maybe. I don't know. I wasn't around when we were created, but having said that, I've been, look, am I banged up? Yeah, 100%. Yeah. Am I feeling perfect? No, I'm tired. I want to go to bed.

I want to just chill. But, okay, there are certain things that would prevent me from doing anything. like a giant blister, like one of those big ones, right on that pivot point on your toe or your heel. Have you had anything like that? 100%. How do you wake up the next day and do it? So I popped it.

Sure, but then it's an open wound on your foot that you've got to run 50K on. So what I do then, because look, man, the whole time's been pretty uncomfortable. Sure. I think of the reason why I'm doing it. And the reason why I'm doing it is to raise awareness and funds to support people, right?

And if it was just about me running across the country, heck no, I wouldn't do it. I would stay at home and not bother. But I've seen and spoken to tons of people that are struggling. And I myself struggled a great deal. And so I thought, you know, or I think, you know, whatever, man. I struggle for six, seven, eight hours during the run. And we can help a lot of people through this process.

So yeah, it's uncomfortable, but I grind it through. What do you think of while you're running? That's a good question, man. I think of a lot of things. I think about obviously what I'm doing, how I'm doing it, and how we can impact more people, how we can help more people, number one. Number two, I think about, you know, my day, what I have planned. I come in here to talk to you, how to present the goals and what we're trying to achieve. I think about my team. I think about how hard they're working and how much they're doing things to support what I'm doing. I think about the people every single day that we've spoken to, like we've spoken to about just about 5,000 people. individual conversations, not running by them, but actual conversations holding space in the RV talking about their struggles.

Think about them every day. And I think about how strong they are and to keep getting up and keep doing what they need to do to continue with their life. So think about a lot of things, man. Never before, in my humble estimation, has it been a better time to be able to share one's struggles with mental health?

But also, never before have, I think, we've seen this much mental health, this many mental health issues. What are we doing right and what are we doing wrong? Because it seems like the more we talk about it, the more problems we have. Or is it those problems we're always there, but now we've opened up space

and we've allowed people to talk about it for the first time. How do you see it? I think there's a combination of things. I think, yeah, we are talking about it more and it is giving people some more, you know, courage to speak out. But I also think things we've done wrong, right? think, you know, obviously during the pandemic, a lot more people started struggling, me included.

And that kind of precipitated maybe a massive sort of struggle in people's heads. Look, we've run across the country. It's about 54 days today. And I've seen things in small towns and in big towns that I never thought I'd be seeing. Like what? A lot of homelessness, a lot of addiction, a lot of struggling people. Like the reason why we pivoted from 100 kilometers a day to the 50 is, you know, If I'm running 100 kilometers a day, I'm dialed in.

I'm not talking to anybody. I'm moving. Yeah. I can't stop. But within the first couple days, we were being stopped for people to have conversations. Like we have this big massive RV. It says mental health on it. It's like a moving billboard.

And as people were seeing it, we were getting not run off the road, but people would like stop us. Sure, sure. And they wanted to talk. And so we really quickly realized, okay, wait a second here. Yeah. Something's going on that we maybe need to provide. some space for people to have these conversations. Yeah, you're, you're, you, you were running past the problem.

Yeah, so now we decided to run two people rather than pass them. Yeah, that's smart. Yeah. It's because a lot of people struggle with mental health issues. They do not struggle and wake up one day and decide they're going to do stuff like this. Yeah, fair point. So, um, look, uh, about five years ago, I was going through a divorce, um, 18 years in law enforcement.

So, you know, struggled a lot with some of the experiences within that environment. And then, uh, the pandemic. all these things at the same time and also my lack of addressing my own issues for most of my life stuffing things down not addressing all that kind of stuff compartmentalizing basically yeah and then it uh it uh it kicked me in the butt how so i had a so there was weeks and months where i wasn't sleeping my emotions were disregulated i could either cry or get angry at the drop of a hat and um so i ended up having to see a doctor yeah and the doctor essentially said you had a major depressive episode

which lasted months and diagnosed me with major depressive disorder and that's kind of what happened and for me I wasn't a runner okay I was what did you look like before you did this because you look like Superman I was a bodybuilder and a Jiu Jitsu athlete I used to compete in Jiu Jitsu and so I was a lot bigger I was probably about 25 pounds really more muscular right and so for me as I

started this journey. I wasn't a runner, but I was struggling so bad. And I was, I was, I was going through the divorce. And I was living in the basement suite of the house I bought with my ex-wife. And I had a two, my daughter was two at the time. And, you know, I was the squeaky wheel in the marriage. So it was, you know, a lot of ownership on my side. So there was a lot of guilt and issues related to that. So, you know, living in the basement suite here, my daughter running around, it wasn't pleasant for me. Yeah. So I had to figure out ways to stick around. And one of the things I started thinking about was, okay, the two coping mechanism I had when I was, you know, not struggling was either go to the gym or maybe have a drink. Yeah.

And so going to the gym wasn't an option because of the pandemic. Sure. And having a drink at that time, I realized it was going to be a really big problem, so I didn't drink. Okay. So I thought, okay, man, what else am I going to do? So I put on some shoes and went for a run. And went for a run. Welcome back to the Ben Mulroney show, and we are continuing our conversation with Sachinlati.

He's a former member of the military, as well as a member of the CBSA, who has taken it upon himself after his own struggles with mental health issues to run across this country in every day, 50 kilometers a day, every day until he gets to the other side in a hope of continuing, making space for conversation, raising funds, and also getting to the other side. Are there days where you wish that Canada wasn't as big as it is? honestly some uh you know what no because uh we've gone across but just over half and then our country's pretty amazing man the people are pretty awesome and you know every now and then you hear in the you know the zeitgeist or the ether that what's canadian culture what is it yeah we've seen it no yeah we've seen it's real it's 100% we just don't spend a lot of time talking about it yeah yeah um i agree yeah so you you've you've been through you've been through it You've, I'm sure you still struggle occasionally.

In your estimation, as a nation, what are we getting right in tackling the issue of men's mental health? What are we getting wrong? Yeah, that's a big question. I'm not sure if I'm smart enough to answer, you know, in the best way. Listen, you're raising money. So let me put it a different way. Where are you hoping it gets, how are you hoping it gets used? No, but I can still answer your question from the perspective of what we've seen.

and what's the country doing right? Well, people are talking now, right? At the very least, the conversations are being had. What I see the gap is a lot of talk, no action. Oh, we love ribbon cutting in this country. We love presenting big checks, and then we don't know what to do with them. Right. So I think that's where I see the gap is cool, we're talking.

What are we doing about it? And so what we've recognized over the last 50-some odd days that there's a consistent issue that we've seen. Look, I've been diagnosed, I was receiving medication. My doctor said to me, that I would likely need to have medication for the rest of my life. Okay, cool, bro.

That's fine. But I didn't feel right with that kind of idea. So I wanted to look at alternatives. And what I started seeing for myself and what I'm seeing with other people is that when you create a community and then have connection and then apply movement to that,

you can make a massive dent in the mental health issue, right? Depression, whatever the case may be. Obviously, if there's something really severe and you're ill, that's different. Yeah. I mean, I've had conversations on this show with doctors who say they wish

that they could legally prescribe exercise like actually as as a valid prescription for improving their health they can't they can recommend it but they can't tell you you have to do this every day I want you to go for a walk I want you to go for one kilometer walk outdoors every day and and you think that that would be beneficial oh 100% well look I think one of the problems is yeah it doesn't cost too much other than your time yeah right and I think one of the issues is obviously you're saying what what are we not doing right I think also we're we're not looking at ourselves in the mirrors as much. We're not taking ownership of our own lives and we're blaming other people for our issues

rather than, okay, what can I do to help myself? Yeah. And we have a lot of control, right? Yeah. If we want to help ourselves, get up a little bit early, go for a walk, eat better, all these types of things. That's a really good point. I, you know, we talk a lot about, and listen, we don't, we're not going into this

conversation today, but there does seem to be more of an emphasis on how I've been, I've been wronged in my life. And I wonder if that's an accidental byproduct of this conversation that we've opened up. I think so. By making space for people to talk about their mental health issues, I wonder if people are airing on the side of interpreting it as how have I been aggrieved and maybe finding a way to empower those people to say, even whether or not that's true, that's irrelevant. It's about how you can then take control in this moment. I think that's a really important And just, if you don't mind, I want to just touch on that real quick. Look, people may have been aggrieved.

Yeah. But if we're in a victim mindset perspective, it's really hard to get out of that. Yeah. So fundamentally, what I suggest is entering into a growth mindset perspective, being more positive about life. And look, that's not easy when you're depressed. No. But you have to find ways to start moving forward in a positive direction. So that's what I did for myself.

It took me a year or two to kind of do that. Yeah. And as I did, then I started. seeing how it was helping me. And all I'm doing now is just sharing my experience, what helped me. If you don't want to do it, cool. And if you do,

then that's cool too. So you said that you shorten the amount that you were running every day from 100 kilometers to 50 because you were running past people who wanted to talk to you. And so now you stop and every day you have conversations

as many as 5,000 thus far halfway through across the country. Talk to me about some of the people you've met. Talk to me about some of this. You must have had some conversations that have blown your mind. 100%. Look, so, and when we have these conversations,

it's cool that we have this RV because now people can come inside, we have conversations, and we hold space. And look, we're not doctors, right? No. We're just a couple guys, you know, a couple females. We're hanging out and, you know, we're listening to people and we're just letting them share. And I think that's a lot.

Because a lot of people don't get to do that. And so for us, what we've realized is I still have to get those 50 kilometers in, but I'm also not rushing anybody. Right. So that means sometimes I'm running to one the morning after these conversations and um but for me that's entirely the point and so uh amazing stories yet touching stories stories of triumph stories of heartbreak tragedy um suicide um self harm a lot of these things that are ugly to talk about but um but important to talk about

if people want to help you along your journey and help you with your mission how can they how can they get involved. Absolutely. Go to the website, suchemotion.ca. Donations can be made there. We're supporting five different charities that support mental health across many different demographics across the country. And primarily we're focusing on youth, people with addiction, and mental health and veterans and first responders are basically the spaces that we're trying to support. Our fundraising goal is $1 million. And yeah, it's an ambitious goal. We're not close to it, but having said that we're very close to seeing the impact that we've been having with everybody every single day. So that's been amazing.

So I urge anybody who's listening who values any of the things that we're saying to please jump on the website, make a donation if you can. If you can't make a donation, share the content. We're very active on Instagram and social media. We're sharing people's stories on there as well. So it's not really just showing me running around. We're actually filming people telling their stories and sharing their stories. You know, I, years ago, after shooting a James Bond film, Daniel Craig was asked almost immediately afterwards. He said, so when can we expect the next one?

And he looked at the interview. He said, I'm never doing another one. And he had to walk that back a few days later. And he said, you know, after you run a marathon, the last thing you want to talk about or think about is running another one. Of course, I'm going to do it. I just need a little time to rest. The fact that you run 50 kilometers a day and wake up the next day and will your yourself as somebody who has talked about struggling with mental health issues to show what is

what you can accomplish the next day and the day after and the day after is a testament to them to the discipline the and the recovery and the journey that you've been on both internal and now manifesting as across Canada tour it's inspiring on a level that I'm so glad we could share with our listeners you know the history of this country is not always written by politicians It's written by people like yourself and the accomplishments that you manifest. And I want to thank you so much for stopping here at the Ben Mulroney Show. I wish you the very best on your journey. And if I wake up in a year and see that you're running 200K a day, I'm going to think we've got to have them back in.

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