The Ben Mulroney Show - Do you trust that Mark Carney will actually build a Pipeline?

Episode Date: May 14, 2025

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Welcome to the Ben Mulroney Show. Thank you so much for joining us. So we're all getting to know Mark Carney, the Prime Minister. I've said and leveled the criticism, I think, fairly, that we just don't know him well enough. And the Mark Carney of the book't know him well enough and the Mark Carney of the book values is not the Mark Carney that said he wanted Canada to be an energy superpower and trying to figure out how he is going to govern I think is a fair request from the people he will be governing. Yesterday he gave

an interview with Vashe Kapilos of CTV News and this is what he said on building a pipeline. If you want a simple answer on will I support building a pipeline? Yes, that simple answer, given that multiple times. But I don't stop at that. I don't stop it. For example, if you want a simple answer on how do I make homes more affordable, I could just say we're gonna cut GST on homes. But that doesn't solve the problem. Just doing one pipeline, it's good. Don't get me wrong, it's good. That's a positive thing and working collaboratively in order to happen.

But it's not enough. It's not enough to make Canada energy superpower. It's not enough to build our full potential. It's not enough to truly get incomes growing across the country. We can do much more. We are going to be very, very ambitious. Build big, build bold, build now. Okay, look, yeah, saying that is fine.

And I'd love to hear from you. Give us a call here on the Ben Mulroney show. But yeah, big problems require multiple solutions, like multiple streams. You gotta attack a problem from multiple sides. That's not the big brain in the room talking. That's pretty basic. That's not the big brain in the room talking. That's pretty basic. That's pretty common sense. But he did say, yes, if there's a consensus to building a pipeline,

he's going to build it. What I'd like, what I prefer to hear is, I'm going to lead that, and I'm going to create that consensus. I personally think there is a consensus for it. I don't think you need to create it. I think you need to just lead it. But he is saying that he is open to it. He's also said later on the interview that he may possibly cancel Bill C-69, the tanker ban, the emissions cap. Will he? Won't he? I don't know.

But one voice in his government, in his cabinet, had something very interesting to say on pipelines. Here's former environment minister Stephen Gilbo. On pipelines, people should remember that we bought a pipeline, Trans Mountain, and that is only used right now at about 40% capacity. So I think before we start talking about building an entire new pipeline, maybe we should maximize the use of existing infrastructure. And the Canadian Energy Regulator, as well as the International Energy Agency, are telling us that probably by 2028, 2029, demand for oil will peak globally, and it will also peak

in Canada. So as far as I know, there are no investors right now. There are no companies that are saying that they want to build an east-west pipeline. And as you know, there are no investors right now. There are no companies that are saying that they want to build an East-West pipeline. And as you know, these things are built by companies. What the actual F. First of all, stay in your lane. You're not natural resources and you're not the environment minister anymore. That is not your,

I actually don't care what you have to say about that, but that is one of the voices that will be in the ear of the prime minister every day, every day. So when we as Canadians are trying to figure out what kind of government this is going to be, that's one of the voices. And after the election that we just prosecuted, and the liberals won on a promise of making us an energy superpower and building and not leaving everything in the ground Square that with what we just heard and give us a call on the Ben Mulroney So I want to hear what you have to say Mike. Welcome to the show. Yeah

Yeah, first of all, thank you, I know you went went hard at the liberals before the election You certainly have accepted and you're tempered, but I like that. You're still questioning I think we got to give Mr. Carney a chance. I know he can't control everything what people say just like you know when he was part of the Trudeau government he was probably restricted what he could do and say but I guess my point is yeah after hearing Pauli have talked earlier today we got to be a lot more positive and we got to be a talked earlier today we got to be a lot more positive and we got to be a lot more coherent we got to be a more collective because if not we'll just have the same problems of tearing ourselves apart. And I completely agree I'm not looking to pick fights for no

reason but I think knowing where this government stands Mike I think is a very is very important and hearing him speak to Vashy, where I don't believe he gave a full-throated endorsement of something I would stand for, but he's the prime minister, I'm not. And then hearing Stéphane Guilbault, who is a senior member of that liberal team. He's not there by accident.

He's there at the pleasure of the prime minister, which means he wants to hear his voice. I'm deeply concerned that that voice is going to be influential on these decisions. I don't know what you think about that, Mike. Well, of course. I mean, but that's just one opinion. That's just one viewpoint. I'm sure he's hearing a lot of different people and we can be concerned about, you know know obviously we need to start spending our energy resources properly but you just got to have a little faith and question but not in a hammer form no no you're right I'm not like I said I'm not

looking to go to war the war was the election that's over we're not we're in a different phase now now we're in a phase where I think criticism is essential and I do thank you for offering Your voice to the conversation Mike. Let's join who do we have next? We've got Chris Chris. Welcome to the show Hey Ben, how's it going? I'm good you know that clip just got my My back up the ex-Environmental Minister. Talk about a contradiction just in those few sentences that said, in those few sentences,

he said, we're at 40% right now. We need to get it up. We have to get it up to 100, okay? At the same time, he said, by 2028, we need to have critical mass available of oil supply across the country to supply to other purchasers, if you will, as well as our own country, but mainly purchasers. Are you telling me we got three years left for that?

You're going to sit on your hands and only try and inflate what we're sending right now from 40 to 100%? Yeah. And throw all our eggs in that basket, that is not forward thinking. That's not forward thinking at all. You're going to get caught with your tail between your legs and oh well, you know what we did do? We didn't spend any money on it is what they'll be bumping elbows on in the background, but they'll be saying, you know what, we got it from 40 to 100%. What do you want from us? Yeah, well, exactly. And I completely and absolutely dispute the, the,

the number that suggests that global appetite for oil is going to peak in three years. That's, you're telling me China and India are done. You're telling me, you're telling me this is the biggest countries in the world are done with oil and gas. They're never going to, it's never going to be more hungry for it than it will be in three years. I do not believe that. You're on point with everything you're saying. The projected targets 2035 ice, ice vehicles, all this stuff, throw it out the window. You know what I honestly I that was a very poignant clip that you played. We're gonna get a lot more of that rhetoric. Yeah. Chris thank you for the call and let's welcome take care. Hey Anthony

welcome to the Ben Mulrooney show. Ben how are you? I'm doing well thank you. You're doing a fantastic job. Oh thank you. Anyway, yeah, as far as Carney, now he's new. Liberal Party's got four years, maybe. But anyways, what I'm thinking is that let's see what happens with him. I vote a conservative. Yeah. I believe in Pierre's, what he's saying, fantastic. However, let's see what this clown does. However, let's see what this clown does. No, honestly, because if he sits there and struggles... Oh, I think we lost you, Anthony. I think we've lost you, Anthony. Look, my final take is, in listening to that interview with Vashj, you know, he said, I'm a man of action. I don't want to just talk about something. I want to do it.

And then she then pushes back and says, OK, well, what about Bill 69? He essentially said, well, we have to talk about that. So I think he was talking himself into circles in a lot of ways. And it was disappointing and frustrating, because you can't have it both ways. You can't be the man of action and then

hedge when the action that so many people want, you are unwilling to say you're gonna do or not. That's not action, that's the definition of inaction. And so very, very frustrating, but still early days, as I said, and you will continue to hear me say, I'm not gonna pick a fight just for the sake of picking a fight, that's not who I am. But I will call out and criticize when I feel

it benefits the people who want to listen to this show and the Canadians who will be affected by either these decisions or lack of decisions.