The Ben Mulroney Show - Doug Ford and indigenous issues and a carjackers rap sheet

Episode Date: June 19, 2025

Guests and Topics: -Doug Ford frustrated with Indigenous groups -Brad Bradford making a run for mayor? - Hank Idsinga on a carjackers rap sheet If you enjoyed the podcast, tell a friend! For more of the Ben Mulroney Show, subscribe to the podcast! https://globalnews.ca/national/program/the-ben-mulroney-show Follow Ben on Twitter/X at https://x.com/BenMulroney Enjoy   Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

Welcome to the Ben Mulroney Show on this Thursday, June 19th, 2025. I hope everyone's having a great week. This marks my final show of the week, because right after the show, I into the airport to get to Montreal for a sit down with Warren Kinsella, the great Toronto Sun journalist, as well as former advisor to Jean Chrétien and staunch defender of the rights of Jewish Canadians, Jews everywhere. And so we're having a little fireside chat for the Foundation for Genocide education. But Brad Smith will be in this chair tomorrow, acquitting himself with honor and humor. And if you got a problem with him, direct all

your ire at that good looking dude. Okay, I'm this is my hot take. This has been I've lived in the city for almost 25 years. And this is the worst five and a half months of weather I've ever seen to start a year. The worst, okay? The winter was cold and we said, well, winter is gonna be cold and we had massive dumps of snow near the end.

But it'll all be worth it when we get an early spring. And then the early spring didn't show. And then spring didn't show at all, like at all. But that was going to be okay because in Toronto, sometimes we have a really quick spring and we go right into summer. Okay, well that normally happens mid-May. We've now had what, two or three warm days.

But would you qualify them as like the greatest summer days you've ever seen? Maybe a little bit for a few hours here and there, but inevitably the humidity rolls in. It's like the air can't handle being like having a beautiful day. So we'll have one nice day followed by thunderstorms for two or three. And if this is how it's going to be for the rest of the year, like, I don't know why I don't know why we stay here. I maintain my sanity in the summer months because in the winter months, I question life decisions I've made.

Like, I live in a place where the air hurts my skin. Why would I live in a place where the air hurts my skin? That's a meme I saw years ago and it resonated tremendously. And so, yeah, so yesterday, massive thunderstorms in the city of Toronto, but not everywhere. They were significantly localized. My producer, Mike, was driving all over the city yesterday

and depending on where he stopped, he either experienced torrential downpours or no rain at all. So, like if past is prologue, then this summer is gonna suck in terms of weather. And I don't know what we do with that because if we end, if August rolls around and we've had very little ability to be outside in any significant way, enjoy the sun on our skin and the sunlight as we have a barbecue or just grill in the backyard. And we're staring down the barrel of a cold wet fall.

That's that's gonna weigh on me. It's gonna weigh on me. Sorry, sorry to start the show like this. But the weather determines my mood quite a bit. I'm sure I'm not the only one. I really feel like the best version of myself in the summer. And yeah, there's no way I'm the only one. But we might as well stick with uncomfortable conversations because our premier, as he is pushing forward in his drive to develop Ontario's Ring of Fire, where the bill that he has that is now law, Bill C-5, has been facing opposition by environmental groups,

more notably by certain First Nations for not consulting with them. There's a push that there's a lot of people who say, take it down the studs, get rid of it, start again. And he was none too happy with that. He said, of course there's gonna be consultation. Of course there's going to be consultation. As a matter of fact, he's got a big meeting lined up for now.

We've got that audio, yeah? It's to sit down with the 40 chiefs and have a conversation with them that there's an opportunity of a lifetime for them. Again, we're giving them $3 billion, with a B, $3 billion to be equity partners to make their communities more prosperous. So had he had he ended there I don't know that we would be having this conversation today but he ratcheted up

the the rhetoric and what follows is is the you'll listen to this and you'll understand why we're gonna be talking about it not just today but for for a long time to come. I told Minister Rickford treat them all give them what they need whatever they want for them to prosper but there's gonna be a point that you can't just keep coming hat in hand all the time to the government you've got to be able to take care of yourselves. So yeah that dropped So yeah, that dropped like a bomb. That dropped like a bomb. Respect for First Nations, respect for treaties. This has been front and center, seemingly to me, for at least a generation. I don't remember that that was necessarily the priority

in the 60s, 70s, and 80s, and 90s, as it is today. And obviously there are a lot of First Nations up in arms over this, most notably, I think a member of the NDP, provincially, Saul Mamoukwa is calling the premier racist. Knee jerk commentary calling people racist these days, unhelpful, unhelpful. It might've scored you the points five years ago that you were looking for. I don't know that gets you there today.

So that's unhelpful. But agree, I don't think the premier was necessarily entirely helpful. However, he opened the door to a conversation that we absolutely have. We're gonna start it today. But I can't have the conversation I want alone or taking calls.

I need to bring different voices onto the show and we're gonna make sure that we do that next week. But look, I've had conversations about First Nations, the relationship between the governments and First Nations on television, on radio before, and almost universally, what is said publicly by advocates or by members of that community is not what they will say when the cameras are off and when the microphones are down.

What will be said when the microphones are down is that there is a problem with accountability as to the money that goes into these systems, these monies that goes into these funds, the money that ends up on reserves, that ends up in the hands of certain groups that does not end up where it needs to go. The money is not optimized. The money is not spent the way it should. And, and, and it's an uncomfortable conversation to have. But I think when we are talking about billions upon billions of dollars,

when we are talking about billions upon billions of dollars, one has to ask, is there a better way to ensure that the money that is being spent, the money that should be going to First Nations that they deserve is being spent in a way where the outcome reflects the financial commitment. When $20.8 billion, which is planned for 2024, 2025 in Canada, including Ontario, covering child welfare, health infrastructure and treaty settlements.

When that amount of money is being spent on 1.8 million people, and we are not getting the outcomes that we should be in a first nations, in a first world nation, then we have to ask ourselves, could we be doing it better? I wanna make sure I have this in a respectful way. I am not looking to be attacked.

I am not looking to be accused of X, Y or Z. The conversation was started by our premier. I would like to take it to a productive place. So we are gonna look to have that conversation next week. In the meantime, we're gonna take a quick break. And when we come back, oh, we got Brad Bradford on the show. Lot to talk about with city councilor Brad Bradford,

including a meeting that happened yesterday where he threw the gauntlet down and he said, I'm running for mayor. Don't go anywhere. This is the Ben Mulroney Show. Welcome back to the Ben Mulroney Show. And we are talking what's going on in our city here in Toronto and no better person to jump right in with than somebody

who cares about this city just about as much as anyone. We're talking to Brad Bradford, city councillor for the beaches. Is it Beaches East York? Is that the official name? I'm blessed to have both. Yeah, Beaches East York. All right. Great to talk to you this morning, Brad.

OK, so we are talking about what I think is becoming a disturbing trend in this city, which is decisions being made without the buy-in of the people of the neighborhood. Last week, we heard about everybody's favorite city councilor, Chris Moyes, renaming a parkette without checking with the people there, and he renamed it after somebody who was not from that area. And that's one thing, it's a parkette. But now today we're talking about a shelter that is being opened. The city decided to open it without any public consultation.

The consultation seemingly happening after the decision was made. Let's listen to Dan Perdue from the New Toronto Initiative about the fact that this is not just a shelter, but a harm reduction site. Now, the question that a lot of people will be asking right now, what is a harm reduction site? Well, that's when these shelters are giving out needles and crackpikes to these people,

giving them instructions on how to use them, and not using them in the shelter, but now they're telling them to go out into the community. So maybe that's the seniors' home that's literally three steps from this proposed site. Or maybe it's the grade school that's literally across the street, or the park that we've got just down the street. Go use your needles and crack pipes there. And they're not giving them any instruments of disposal. What do they do? They just throw their needles and crack pipes onto the street. So that was Dan Perdue on with Greg Brady. And you know, there

there are quotes from people in the neighborhood, Brad saying that this is being rammed down their throats. I don't know if this is a trend, or this is just a series of isolated events, but I don't like what this what this portends for the future. I think it is a new approach at the city of Toronto, where you have a downtown mayor and downtown councillors making consequential decisions in Etobicoke, in New Toronto, in Scarborough, and ramming it down residents' throats. These

are difficult conversations to have, to be sure, but you have to have them. I actually went out to the folks in Etobicoke and attended one of their public meetings. I was invited to go and I went into the room and I was taken back by how they were trying to do crowd control, throttling people in and out. Nobody was providing real information or answers and residents were rightly really upset about it because these decisions do have impacts, they do have consequences, especially when you start talking about supervised consumption sites. And you know, that's been an experiment that we've had in Toronto that I don't think is particularly successful.

But how you do it matters. If you're going to go forward with these things, you have to build support, you have to have a mutual understanding of how you're going to mitigate the impacts that will follow. And right now Mayor Chao and the downtown council is just ramming this down everybody's throats, whether that is in Etobicoke, or more recently out in

Scarborough. And I think it's unsustainable. And I was looking at the sort of the the imagery, a flyover of the neighborhood. And you've got this this one sort of looks like an industrial building that will be converted into this shelter. But surrounding it in every direction, our homes. It butts up against the backyards of so many homes. And somebody pointed out from the community that in order to have a shelter be successful,

you need all the knock-on benefits, all the other supports in place for it to be successful. And those don't necessarily exist where this is, which leads a lot of people to believe that the process has been turned on its head, or rather than look for a property that fits the prerequisites in order for it to be successful, they're just going with whatever properties they own.

Yeah, I think this is the site out in Scarborough, Natalie Johnson from City Hall Bureau provided some coverage of that, attended the meeting. And I think that's right. out in Scarborough, Natalie Johnson from City Hall Bureau provided some coverage of that attended the meeting. And I think that's right. Like you look at this site, it's a bit curious for this type of location that does require intensive services. And it would seem to me that we have the process backwards. It needs to start with conversations with communities.

And we need to have those discussions, not just telling people what is going to happen to them, but working collaboratively as local government in the communities about how we address the very real challenges with homelessness. But you have to do it in a thoughtful way. And that is just not what's happening right now. These sites are being selected, what would appear to be by a process of path of least resistance from the bureaucratic side. And that is the wrong way to do it. We are all here to serve the residents of Toronto. We are here to serve our constituencies just because it's easiest for the bureaucrats downtown

at City Hall or easiest for the mayor to select these sites off of a long list of properties that doesn't give us the best outcomes. So we have to work harder to do these difficult things. And rather than just saying, well, this is next up on the list or, or this site is available, let's go there. Think about it strategically, what services and supports are there today? What is planned in the future? And if we bring these types of facilities to communities that we know have impacts, how are we going to credibly manage those? None of that's been done here. And you know, you're having a revolt within the communities.

And frankly, I understand that. Brad, a little bit later today, in just over an hour, you're making a big announcement on something to do with transit on congestion on King Street, rather, I'm sorry, without giving everything away. What can you tell us about this announcement? What I can tell you is I hear every day from Torontonians who are frustrated as hell,

trying to get around the city, whether that's getting back to the office, the job site, home and the family at the end of the day. And what is most frustrating is it seems like the city of Toronto actively makes it more difficult. The city of Toronto and the mayor are actively making it more difficult. So when you take a look at Richmond and Adelaide, I described those as the only East West streets that used to work in the downtown core. They were pipelines, uh, used to be four or five lanes wide.

We've now put in a bike lane. We've now put in streetcar tracks and most frustrating they've taken an entire lane away with concrete Jersey barriers to protect left turns at the intersection. So you took a four or five lane pipeline and you took it down to one lane, and that is insane. My proposal and what I'm gonna come forward with is taking a look at King Street, which is a transit priority corridor

that doesn't have any transit operating on it all summer because of the construction. So again, it's practical solutions in the theme of how do we take advantage of the existing capacity that we have? How do we open up more spaces for vehicles? Because people in downtown, commuters, families, they need some relief when it comes to traffic. And I'm going to bring it for them. Lastly, Brian Lilly was reporting on a lunch at the Royal York yesterday with about 60 people

from across the city from all walks of life and crossing party lines. I was in attendance as well, exploring a pathway for Brad Bradford to make it to the mayor's office. Very interesting, very interesting eye-opening information that came our way. But I want to ask you, was that you declaring your candidacy to be mayor? It's not a declaration, but I can tell you, was that you declaring your candidacy to be mayor? It's not a declaration, but I can tell you, and you hear this all the time on your show and the folks that you talk to, people want change. It is time for a new generation. It is time for a new chapter of Toronto, strong, decisive leadership that is not afraid to stand up and make a decision. The era of being a professional fence-sitter is over.

And the era of going into one room and saying one thing to people and another and saying different things, that's done. So we need to focus on making the city safer. We have a huge problem with crime. We need to focus on making the city more affordable. We need to focus on making it easier to get around Toronto. That's what I'm focused on right now. And there are people coming on and on board from across the city that share those aspirations.

Last time when Olivia Chow won in the by-election, she won for a number of reasons. One, she was the only candidate on the left, but also on the other side, there were so many candidates on the center, center right that were splitting the vote. Whatever happens, it seems to me that that particular dynamic cannot repeat, if anybody wants to dislodge Olivia Chow. So have you given any thought to conversations with people who might jump in? And and you might have to fight with and you might have to, you know, hope to God don't last the entire race.

At the end of the day, I honestly think it's about delivering the type of change that Torontonians are craving for. Right now you look at Mayor Chow's approval ratings, they're not great, but they're not horrible. We need to make sure that Torontonians understand what is at stake. Voter apathy is really the biggest enemy that we're running against here. That is the biggest challenge. It is on me and others to go out and make the case for a better city, what that looks like. And, you know, I think that there'll be other people that are kicking the tires. But you have to offer something different and trying to make the case at this time, it'll be different or that, you know, we can do a better job than what we were

doing before. The city has been in a period of managed decline for a number of years now. And I just think if someone raising two young kids here in the city, the families I talked to, the folks who are trying to build a business on Main Street, they need to see something different that allows us to unlock our potential in Toronto. And that's the case that we're going to put forward to Torontonians and they can decide. Citi Councillor Brad Bradford, potential a candidate for Mayor Brad Bradford. You got a lot on your plate today. Thank you for joining us. Thank you for always joining us. I look forward to seeing you soon, my friend. Very good. Thanks, Ben. Yeah, a very interesting group of people that came

together yesterday. Not all were there because they are walking in lockstep with Brad. A lot of them were curious to meet him, to learn about him. Name recognition is going to be a big deal for him. So that is to be continued. Watch this space. All right, when we come back, we're talking about the fly guy, the guy who jumped off the Gardener. That's coming up next on the Ben Mulroney Show.

Welcome back to the Ben Mulroney Show and the saga of the man who took the police on a high-speed chase after stealing a car and then getting boxed in on the Gardener only to escape by or try to escape by jumping off the Gardener down four stories onto Lakeshore only to realize that, oh, you know, a four story drop, that might break my ankles or my legs. I don't know. And anyway, arrested. But SIU came in and now we are finally learning a little bit about this gentleman. Not for nothing, by the way. This, I mean, he's, we're gonna talk about his rap sheet in a minute. This guy clearly loves carjacking.

He clearly loves stealing cars. And now that he is without the use of his legs, I think it begs the question upon receiving bail, which he will receive. Will he go back to stealing cars, but now only of the wheelchair accessible variety? I don't like this man. I have no respect for this man.

And I don't care about this man. I've said this before, but we've now learned about him. We've learned about his rap sheet. This was published by Ron Chisner, former police officer, as well as former conservative candidate for elected office. So on August 13th, 2023, he allegedly rear-ended a driver, used a weapon to force the driver out and stole the car.

January 5th, 2024, allegedly jumped into a running car after the driver stepped out and took over. I took off. Vehicle was eventually recovered. Arrested and charged in February of that year. Charged with two counts of possession of property obtained by crime. Released on bail with conditions,

including wearing a GPS monitor. Mid last year, allegedly cut off the GPS monitor, breached his bail. A warrant was issued. And then in June of this year two car Jackings on one night. This is when he broke his ankles Charged again facing ten charges will likely get bail again, of course in between all of these things Do you think that he was a good upstanding citizen? Do you think he worked for Meals on Wheels? Do you think that he worked with the bookmobile? Do you think he volunteered for Meals on Wheels? Do you think that he worked with the bookmobile? You think he volunteered at a local soup kitchen?

You honestly think that's what he was doing? I guarantee you in between all these things, there's stuff he wasn't caught for. So here to discuss this and much more, we're joined by Hank Itzinga, 640 Toronto Crime Specialist and former police inspector. Hank, welcome to the show. Thanks so much for joining me.

Hey, good morning, Ben. Thanks for having me on. Yeah, this is, I mean, like I said, I don't care about this guy. I've now been pushed to a point where the only people I care about are the people affected by this guy. And it's just, is it uncaring?

I don't know. What are your thoughts about this young man? Yeah, I don't think you're uncaring at all. I think, and a lot of police officers feel your frustration. You know, there's nothing worse, at least when I was a young uniformed officer, to deal with the victims who would get up in the morning and you know the car was gone from the driveway or their house had been broken into overnight and they're good hard

working people and all of a sudden they've been victimized by somebody who just doesn't care and somebody who wants to feed you you know, either drug habit or criminal lifestyle. And it's very tough to feel any empathy for these folks. And Hank, I want to talk to you about the role of the SIU in crimes like this, because it occurs to me, this man chose in order to possibly avoid arrest, to jump four stories, which then led to a severe injury, which is one of the triggers to opening up an SIU investigation and an SIU investigations.

You know, to me, the onus is then did the cops do everything right or rather did the cops do anything wrong in the pursuit of this alleged criminal? And I don't know if it's if it's me or whether I'm just paying attention now, but it feels to me that more and more as we have more and more people either discharging weapons or perpetrating crimes with weapons, that the SIU is being called in more than ever before. And I gotta wonder whether their mandate needs to be maybe narrowed down a little bit.

They've actually broadened over the years and they're being kept very, very busy with the uptick in these criminal offenses. It seems like every single time something hits the newspapers, okay, the police can't talk about it because the SIU is involved. This is really where the police leadership need to stand up and support their members who are going through these investigations. They take months for these investigations to go on. And you can be the police officer involved in that, take down on the Gardner.

You know you've done nothing wrong. Yeah. But all of a sudden, all of a sudden, there's this, well, we have to make sure you didn't do anything wrong. So in other words, there's the, you're opening up an investigation on the off chance I did do something wrong. And then today we learn, oh, good news.

There were no police anywhere near this guy when he jumped. And any rational person would know he wasn't pushed. He jumped to avoid getting arrested. And I just wonder whether when the SIU was first created, obviously with great intent and a willingness, we want transparency and accountability, all great reasons. But it seems like with the with the changing face of crime in this city, maybe the SI use mandate needs to be reevaluated. It might be. And like I said, it seems they seem to have expanded it expect especially with the Inspector General position of policing being instilled. And really that incident out in Durham region with the off-duty

officers several years ago where the SIU wasn't notified and probably wrongly so and so now the police services are really erring on the side of caution and notifying them for absolutely everything and the SIU is picking up on these occurrences and they're conducting their investigations. I don't have a big issue with them conducting their investigations but it really needs to be done very, very quickly, especially in situations like this. Right? It's yeah, they're going to be looking at the pursuit, which started up at Don Mills and whether the pursuit was justified in the first place. And if the police didn't pursue with this fellow, it ended up going off the gardener.

Wait, wait, hold on. Was the pursuit justified? He stole a car. Isn't the fact that he stole a car in kinds, then incumbent upon the police to stop the guy? Yeah, well, once it becomes too dangerous. Yeah, that's the craziness of it, right? But the danger is from the guy who stole the car, not the pursuit of the guy who stole the car. Exactly.

Exactly. Exactly. And this fellow is lucky to be alive. A four story drop. I've seen people die from three story drops. Can't think of any of two story, but four story. He's definitely lucky to be alive. Yeah, but I could see, I know I can see it. I can see him saying I come from a culture of mistrust with

police. And when I saw myself being pursued by the police, I was afraid for my life. And that's why I jumped in. Therefore, I'm suing the police. Yeah. And Bill C-75, which is the topic of much discussion, if you read the requirements in there, he very well might get bail again. Of course. Yeah. Of course.

The only good news is like, what's he gonna carjack with with broken ankles? And I'm I'm hoping it's broken angles. I'm hoping they cracked into like, like pixie sticks. I know I'm sounding heartless. I don't care. I don't care how it sounds anymore. I have been forced into this position by watching this sort of thing happen with impunity. This man has demonstrated in his behavior over years. He doesn't care about you. He doesn't care about me. He doesn't care about my family doesn't care about my community. He doesn't care about the cost associated with what he's doing. So guess what? I don't give a flying F about you. Sorry, not sorry. and me as well, Ben. You know, we were shopping for new cars there a few weeks ago and my wife said, you know, we're not going to buy something overly nice because it'll probably

get stolen or it'll open me up to the possibility of being carjacked. And she's absolutely right. And that affects you and me. And that's the whole issue of public safety and the administration of justice being brought in disrepute. I don't know how the courts are looking at these and saying, this doesn't affect public safety. This fellow out here stealing and carjacking. And it definitely brings the administration of justice into disrepute. And you've got the federal government pointing fingers at the provincial government, the provincial government pointing fingers back at the federal government, and the police

services and corrections throwing their hands up in the air and saying, what do you expect us guys to do? And the courts as well, severely understaffed and folks are waiting two to three weeks for a simple bail hearing these days. And that's because of all the controversy and lack of infrastructure in the system. Well, Hank, it's Inga. Thank you so much for joining us and just not for nothing. So today's my last day this week, Brad Smith is in tomorrow. And I will be listening intently in case you come on the show just to listen to him butcher

your last name. And you're so diplomatic. He tries to take a running start. He can't get there. And you are exceptionally diplomatic. Hank and Zynga, thank you so much. Thanks, Ben. All right.

Don't go anywhere after the break. We're gonna take your calls on this. How do we fix this problem? We know that just yesterday, Doug Ford came out and said, I guess because his car almost got stolen, he's going to increase provincial inputs, capacity at provincial jails. Welcome back to the Ben Mulrooney show. And now it's time to take your calls on everybody's favorite high flyingflying criminal who jumped off the Gardner and paralyzed this city because SIU had to come in and it took them what six eight hours before big chunks of the Gardner and Lakeshore became open to

traffic forcing people to be late for all every single appointment in their lives and in some cases might have been a job interview, might have been cancer treatment, might have been going to visit a grandmother for the last time might have been anything. But that guy got priority. And I want to talk to you about it 416-870-6400 or 1-888-225 talk, where do we go from here? What's the solution? Because to me, this is endemic of a larger problem. But I'd like to hear from you.

So let's start with Dave. Dave, welcome to the Ben Mulroney show. Thanks for calling on this Thursday. Ben, you're getting better all the time. Thank you. But I wish you would talk more like your dad. Nice and calm and you know, he didn't go. You should have heard him in his stump speeches, my friend. Back when he was in opposition, which was for a very short period of time. He was mad as hell and he wasn't going to take it anymore. Hey I was I'm 69. I remember your dad and I remember the beautiful lady that he he hooked up with by the sounds of things. It was a match made in heaven. It was. What we got to do is if Dougie Ford wants to do some stuff, get some judges to have a different attitude than these bunch of pussies that are on there now. In the front, out the back, here's a gun for you,

keep on doing your crimes. There is, it feels to me like I don't have data to support it Dave, but it does feel to me that yes, judges from what I'm reading are far more permissible and they're looking for reasons to let people to let people, you know, reintegrate into their lives as quickly as possible. Now, there are, there's also the element that there isn't room in provincial jails, but Doug Ford says he's taking steps to alleviate that pressure. provincial jails. But Doug Ford says he's taking steps to alleviate that pressure. And by 2026, there should be hundreds of more beds and hundreds of more spots in provincial jails. We'll have to wait and see. Mark, welcome to the show. What do you think? Where do we go?

Well, you know, we know it obviously starts with judges in the bail system. But since we can no longer rely on them, I think it's time to start using technology. One of the things like every all of our phones we have fingerprint technology which you can use also gut they're starting implement that same technology guns now with firearms that have both a retina scan and fingerprint which is what I talked to your producer about. You know the city can me thinks this is all an effort to make us transition to electric vehicles. I don't know. But yeah, if we can't rely on our systems, it's it's about time that we use technology to solve these problems. However, I hope that

doesn't result in people getting their fingers cut off. Hey, yeah. Well, no, no, but Mark, what about facial recognition? That's on my iPhone? Why? How about when I how about you make a list of list of the people that you trust, and they sit in your car, and they have their picture taken. And any time that person's face is recognized, you can turn the car on. Exactly.

Yeah. With fingerprints and facial recognition, so you have your list of approved drivers. And then you have a one-time, whether it may be a mechanic. Yeah, or a valet or something like that. Sure. And it lasts like an hour or something. This is good for one hour sort of thing. Yeah. We have the technology to solve these problems. Just maybe not the will like everything else.

No, it's a, listen, it's a very, very good question. The next time I talk with people in the automotive industry on this show, I'll bring something like that up. I appreciate it, Mark. Thank you so much, Frank. Welcome to the show. What's the solution here? I appreciate it, Mark. Thank you so much. Frank, welcome to the show. What's the solution here? Frank, you there? I think we've lost Frank. I think we've lost Frank. But no, listen, that is a good point. Somebody pointed out to me that if, so my house, we've got a parking spot in the front, and then we have a parking spot in the back next to the garage. We don't park in the garage. But I've been told, I was told by friends, park your car in the back. The simple act of having to walk the extra 50 feet to your car is a risk that a potential car thief wouldn't want to take if they

see a car that is in the front of the house, that's farther down the street. And that tells me, if you, all you have to do is just put up a few stumbling blocks in front of these people and it'll make it less likely that they come for your car. And so if they if this technology was ubiquitous of any in any new car, you had facial recognition software and that if the face doesn't match, you can't turn the car on, then what you're essentially asking them to do is take a step up from stealing your car to home invasion and kidnapping to bring you down to the car so that your face can turn the car on. That's what you're asking them to do. And so to me, that's a stumbling block

that would prevent certain people from ever engaging in that in that work. But again, you have to have the will. Who do we have? We got Reagan. Welcome to the show. Hey, Ben, how are you today? I'm well, thank you.

Yeah, I was just talking to your screener. I feel like the problem, the paradigm that we have in our justice system is that we are restorative justice system. The problem is we cut all the services in the jail penal system that would actually rehabilitate people to be functional members of society. They are turning it into a crime you prison system.

So you go in, you learn from the other criminals that are there, you come out, you become a better criminal. The other thing that is happening is you are hearing about all of these young children that are going, young teenagers going out and stealing cars and performing horrific crimes. These are people that are influenced by older gangsters who don't want to have that criminal record.

They pass the buck by flashing money, flashing stuff that they never would ever have in their poverty life in the ghetto of Toronto and other areas in the area. And these people are going out and performing these crimes. They subcontract out to young kids. Absolutely. Yeah. This is what we need to, we need to go back to restorative justice and our American counterparts. Even though we'd love to see people serve those long sentences and everything like that,

I truly believe in a restorative justice program that is properly staffed properly. And once we have those things, then we can have a justice system where our judges are handcuffed by the legal system. The police aren't handcuffed by the justice system. It's just a myriad of problems that's been happening for decades from the federal government. Reagan, thank you very much. Yeah, thank you. I'm really glad you brought those ideas into the conversation. William, welcome to the show. Where do you see the problem and where do you see the solution? Ben, first of all, I just want to say your dad would be very proud of you. Thank you.

Keep up the good work. Thank you, sir. Secondly, we need to see some extreme bail reform from the federal government. And lastly, we need judges that have that have the will to actually make examples out of these criminals. Yeah, well, I think you're absolutely right. We need more space in the in the jails. And it looks like Doug Ford has committed to making that happen. I actually also wonder, William, is like we're always told there's no room in the provincial jails. Okay, well, who's in the provincial jails? Because I would be willing to do a swap, find me the lowest level criminals, the least violent ones that are sitting in that jail.

And if I've got to replace, if I got to give that guy bail, I'll give that guy bail. And the guy like this, the jumper, the gardener jumper, let's throw him in jail. I don't mind a swap like that if it's possible. I'd rather take the guy who's in there for a low level crime, get him out, and open up a spot for somebody like this. What do you think of that? Oh, I completely agree.

I mean, there's people that are in there, you know, maybe it's just, I don't know, still serving their time for selling like small amount of marijuana, you know, because they were on the wrong track. Yeah, exactly. Well, thank you, William. Thank you. I appreciate it. I've got time for one more call. Boris, I've got about 30 seconds for you, my friend. OK, Ben, I need you to champion something. We have to take our charter of rights and freedoms and evolve that to our charter of rights and responsibility. Oh, listen, I would love that, my friend.

Listen, there's another guy by the name of Mulroney who tried to open up the Constitution. And despite his best efforts, couldn't get anything changed, it was designed not to evolve with our country. Pierre Trudeau didn't want anybody messing with his precious document and made it nigh impossible to change. And that will be, I promise, years from now, a big problem for us. you