The Ben Mulroney Show - Everyone loves to pearl clutch about Pierre Poilievre's tone... but have no problem with Mark Carney's

Episode Date: April 23, 2025

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that the game has been rigged against them, that the Canadian promise, as he says, has been broken towards them, that they cannot afford a home, that the jobs aren't there, the streets aren't safe. And so he yesterday or today made a heartfelt statement directly to Canadian youth. We need to give young people a sense of

hope and opportunity again. I think one of the things I've noticed about my campaign is how many young people are involved and it wasn't always the case for conservatives. Well why is it? Because we're giving young people hope. A hope that they're going to have a better future. A real hope for a change. I want every young person in this country to reject a life of crime knowing that there's something so much better we have in store for them. A job where they can excel. A business that they can start. a community where they will thrive and succeed, a nice home where they'll raise families in the future and give grandchildren to their parents.

That is the beautiful future that we have. I call it the Canadian promise. Let's bring it home for a change. Thank you. Yeah, he's been thinking about this for a long time. He's been sounding the alarm for years. Please, liberals, don't do this. Don't enact that.

Don't make this decision. Don't pass this law or bad things are gonna happen. We find ourselves today with the bad things having happened and they've happened very starkly towards the youngest Canadians. And he's positioning himself as the guy who's going to make things at least a little bit better. So, I hope people hear him. I hope people hear him.

Meanwhile, this is also the time of the election campaign when endorsements come out. We spoke earlier in the show about how the largest police association in the country, the Toronto Police Association, has issued their endorsement of Pierre Poliev and the conservatives. I remember earlier in the campaign, they put questions to both Mark Carney and to Pierre Poliev. They liked the answers they got from Pierre, so they're endorsing Pierre. They said they'll work with anyone.

It's not about not being able to work with whoever forms government, but in their estimation, the frontline people who keep us safe say their jobs will be easier under a conservative government. And if you care about crime in the streets of Toronto or Winnipeg or Calgary or Edmonton or any city in this country, if it were me, I would be listening to the cops. I would be asking them, what do you think of these two parties and their visions for making our country safer? Who do you think offers the best possibility of success on that front? And at least in the City of Toronto, the police association is saying it is Pierre Poliev and the Conservative Party of Canada. Now, there's also another big endorsement that came out,

this time in the form of Saskatchewan Premier, Scott Moe. Here's what he had to say about Pierre Poliev. This is Shelbrook, Saskatchewan. It's my hometown. You see, Shelbrook is about 3,000 kilometers from Ottawa. But these last few years, it's felt like it's been about a million miles away. That's because we have had a federal government

that has turned its back on this part of the country. They've made it more expensive for us to produce the things that we produce in Saskatchewan, like the most sustainable food, fuel and fertilizer on earth. They've made it harder then for us to get those products to market. And when we've tried to work with them to take down those barriers, to build a stronger Saskatchewan within a strong and united Canada, down those barriers to build a stronger Saskatchewan within a strong and united Canada, they've turned their back. Now let me be clear, Saskatchewan will never be part of the US. But isn't it time that we had a government that treats us like we're part of Canada? That's why I'm voting conservative and voting for Pierre

Poliev to be our next Prime Minister. You see, policies matter. Policies that make our communities safer, that allow us to not only develop our resources, but then get them to market policies that create good paying jobs and opportunities for Saskatchewan people today and into the future. I don't disagree with a single word he said, look, I'm not a Western Canadian. I've never lived in Western Canada. But there is a growing resentment in that part of the country because of the 10 years of the liberal government

that has done absolutely everything in its power to make sure that the natural resources that God gifted Canada with stays in the ground at the much to the detriment of our country and much to the consternation of the people who would very much like to extract it and develop it and sell it. And if when you vote in this election, you need to realize that there will be knock on effects. If you as a central Canadian or somebody from out east votes for a government that will still maintain Bill C-69, the no new pipelines law, making it effectively almost impossible to get our natural resources to tidewater.

If you make that vote, if you vote that way, there will be repercussions and there will be reactions. And one of them will, one of those reactions is going to be a coalescing of a certain number of Western Canadians around the idea that maybe if they're not, if they can't get a good deal with Canada, they're going to go it alone. And I know what's going to happen. You're going to vote for Carney. And then when that when that separatist movement starts, you're not going to look at yourself. You're not going to say, Oh, what could we have done? You know what you could have done. You could have listened to someone like Scott Moe, who's telling you exactly what's going to happen. Jordan Peterson and Joe Rogan, two of the biggest names in American media,

although Jordan Peterson is Canadian. I've had the pleasure of his company. I do not know what all the fuss is about, why people get their backs up against him. I find him to be a very interesting, thought-provoking person. Not that everything he says is something that I subscribe to, but he makes me think. is something that I subscribe to, but he makes me think. He was on the Joe Rogan podcast yesterday, and he laid out what scares him about Mark Carney. I read Carney's book, Values. I read it twice, and I understood it.

And Carney says in that book, well, he says, he's an advocate of centralized planning, ESG. He was a huge ESG advocate. He organized many large corporations to go down this central planning governance route because the market wasn't pricing everything properly and so central planners had to step in and BlackRock and Vanguard and places like that were big parts of that. I don't know if they were directly affected by Carney, but it's the same thing, and they've stepped away from that.

And he's a big DEI advocate, and he's also a net zero advocate. And Carney says in his book, this is a good example of this, and I think also a good example of this kind of narcissism that we talked about earlier. Every single financial decision that every individual or organization makes has to prioritize decarbonization above all else. Or else. And there will be many, he doesn't say casualties, but he implies that there'll be many, there'll be many who pay a price along the way, but it's necessary. Yeah, I mean, I have no idea why Mark Carney's book

values is not sticking to him the way it should. He's literally laying out his values in this book, and those values run counter to almost everything he's saying about resource development in this country. It boggles my mind. These are his words in a book called Values. Let's go back to Jordan Peterson. Here's what he said about Carney and how he wants fossil fuels to stay in the ground. And then he says 75% of the world's fossil

fuels have to stay in the ground. And this is who Canadians are seriously thinking about electing. Why does he say the fossil fuels have to stay in the ground? Too much carbon. Yeah, he said these things. He wrote those things. Now he's coming out with a plan. He says, I'm going, we're going to build pipelines, we're going to build our, develop our resources.

We're not going to be dependent on the Americans anymore. How are we going to not be dependent on the Americans? If your values stipulate, we can't develop our natural resources. Just explain it to me. I know you're smarter than me, Mr. Carney, our natural resources. Just explain it to me. I know you're smarter than me Mr. Carney, you tell me every day. Talk to me like

I'm a four-year-old. Explain that to me please. And I have no idea why the press doesn't go hard on values, but that's the state of Canadian media. Welcome back to the Ben Mulroney Show. Thank you so much for joining us. It's hump day and we're gonna get you over that hump in style. And with all the information you need to slide into the weekend eventually, we're not there yet. I've got some really smart friends. And I've heard my smart friends say to me, I can't vote for Pierre Poliev. He's too mean. I can't vote for Pierre Poliev because he's too mean. I don't even know what to do with that because look depending on any day you're going to get with these politicians who have been in front of the camera as long as they have you're going to see all sides of them all sides. The the Pierre Poliev that I see is optimistic he's pushing an agenda of hope that the future will be better than the past. And if he's been angry, I think it's justified.

But if you're so hell-bent on not voting for somebody because they are mean, let's do Mark Carney. Here's Mark Carney still clashing with the media over his fiscal plan. So, Trevor Toome is wrong, in your opinion. Yes. I have more experience than he does, and it's important to state that. I'd like to follow up on that. If you've got an economist like Trevor Toome saying that your plan is unsustainable, is there an argument that if Pierre Poliev is trying to bring down spending,

bring down the deficit, that his plan is more fiscally responsible than yours. Okay. There's one thing that you can write on a paper, there's another thing that will happen in the economy. So our plan, to be clear, is focused on investment and growing this economy. All of the spending, all of the investment in years three and four are for growing the economy. All of the spending, all of the investment in years three and four are for growing the economy. I mean you can hear it in his voice. He thinks these

questions are beneath him. I'm a smarter economist. I don't have to explain my plan to you. Just know I'm the smarter economist. And the way he addresses the media, it's like he really thinks he's speaking to the dumbest children in the room. Let's see how he described Pierre Polia's plan. Our tax cut compared to his plan, I'll give you one number, is four times larger this year. It's four times larger. These numbers are a joke.

We aren't in a joke. We are in the worst crisis of our lives. It takes a serious government. It takes a serious plan. It takes a plan that delivers today. It takes a plan that delivers investment. It takes a plan that grows this economy, stands up to Trump, and moves forward with the brilliance of the workers here and across Quebec and across Canada. So I want to hear from you. Give us a call. I'd love to hear from you. Why do you think he's getting a pass? Why is there this double standard on tone? Mark Carney is

constantly snippy with reporters. I can hear it. I know what condescension sounds like. He does not feel like he should have to answer these dumb, pedantic, pedestrian questions. And if anybody ever forgot, here's Mark Carney getting the snippy with Rosemary Barton. Look inside yourself, Rosemary. I mean, you start from a prior of conflict and ill will. Okay, I mean, come on, man. And remember when he said, don't believe everything you read in the Globe and Mail? Like this, this is, this is, this is mean, meanness. This is pettiness. This

is snarkiness. This is persnicketyness. Why is there a double standard? Why does Pierre not get a pass for his passion, but he gets a pass for being snippy. Mary, welcome to the show. What do you think? Oh, let me do that. Oh, Mary, what do you think? Oh, thanks for taking my call. Yes.

I see Pierre as a very passionate person. He really cares about the country. But for those people that have the standard of that he's mean or he's mini Trump, what I respond to them is, do you want a doctor that's capable or do you want your doctor to be a friend? Do you want the specialist to be the best of the best or do you want the specialist to be your friend? So I find that's how some people judge. Well, and I will, my contention is that Mark Carney

is not a touchy feely warm kind of guy. At least that's not what he projects when he's at a podium or when he's on the stump. But we- No, he's very condescending. But Mary, we went down the path of voting with our feelings a few years ago. And look what it got us.

Exactly. So I don't care if the guy who's running the country is the meanest guy on the block. Make the country rich again. I don't care. I don't care if you tell a joke. I don't care if everybody wants to hug you. I don't care.

Make the country rich. That's all I care about. Thank you so much for your call. And who do we have next? We've got Sarah. Welcome to the show, Sarah. Hi, how's it going? Very well. Thank you. You know what? I sat, I sat at my, at my Easter dinner, listening to the family talk and everyone thinks that Mark Carney, he's more educated. He's, they actually think that Donald Trump is scared of Mark Carney. And I said, there's no way that he's scared of Mark Carney. Like it's a joke. And then they say, oh, Pierre Paulier is a career politician. That's all he knows. I'm like, well, he's dedicated

the last how many years of his life to our country. Yeah. I don't know when that became, when that became anything but a badge of honor. I don't understand that. And I love how right now we're living in a world where it's all about the resume of the leader. Well, what kind of resume did the last guy have that the liberals put in charge? He was a teacher and that's an admirable career choice. But like when did it-

It's nine years, he's a teacher. No, no, it's a situational hypocrisy and I just, I don't have time for it. It's not an indicator of a mature debate and conversation. Sarah, thank you so much for your call. I really appreciate it. And let's welcome Bobby to the show. Bobby, thanks so much for calling in. Hey, how's it going? Good. Good. I'm interested. I think it's interesting using what hypocrisy because Pierce for the last year and a half lambasting the media

Eating an apple yelling at a reporter Calling them woke and then all of a sudden Mark says, you know a couple words and you guys are all over him But what about Pierre for the last year and a half? Well, hold on a Pierre's issue when he when he ate that apple was he was taking a journalist to task for a Journalist a journalist would have been better prepared. I was a farmer. Well, no, it was taking a journalist to task for. I wasn't a journalist. A journalist would have been better prepared. I was a farmer. No, it was not a farmer.

It was a journalist. I was not a journalist. Okay. Just trust me, it was a journalist. And he was asking a question using broad statements like, people are saying that you are pulling pages out of the Donald Trump's playbook. Unless you're going to come with details on who's saying that and what pages, he doesn't have to answer that question.

That is a cheap shot masquerading as a question. Okay, then what about when he's lambasting the, you know, associate of press saying, hey, I'm not going to speak to you, I'm going to call you woke. Like, this guy's been doing it for a year and a half. He's got a record. And there's, you can get a super clip of using the exact same wording as Donald Trump of Pia Poliev. Look it up, very easy. I think you're being hypocritical

here. Well listen, I appreciate the call and look this is clearly someone whose whose mind I am not going to change but I do thank you for your call. I'm speaking to the rest of the people listening. Thank you. Goodbye. All right, Nicholas, welcome to the show. My God, my head's gonna explode. Yeah, oh yeah, they're the same guy. Give me a break. Oh my God. And by the way, let me put it this way.

There are two guys who think that they're the smartest guy in the room, Donald Trump and Mark Carney. There are two guys who have a problem with strong women in the media, Donald Trump and Mark Carney. There are two guys who are very good at tax avoidance, Donald Trump and Mark Carney.

And there are two guys who prior to getting elected, refused to tell the voters exactly what they were holding onto. One in the form of his tax returns and the other in terms of a disclosure of his financial records. So if you wanna compare leaders to Donald Trump, I can make a very good case that Mark Carney is Donald Trump.

But we don't have to go there, right Nicholas? Exactly. And you know, and I, this is a times like this, I miss your father. He was a diplomat. He would have never treated the press corps as Mark Carney does. And people always have this, this thing.

Who would rather have a beer with? I'd rather have a beer with Pierre Pauli, because I'm sure if I went into a bar with Mark Carney, you'd order a Prosecco. It's an on descending elite. I don't care about having a beer with either of them. I want to be able to afford a beer. Exactly. And your cohort hopefully put it perfectly yesterday. If you're voting on likeability, don't vote. Nicholas, thank you, sir. And Les, we got time for one more. Tom, welcome to the show. And Les, we've got time for one more. Tom, welcome to the show.

I'm going to give you the last 30 seconds. Okay. Hopefully it's an off story. Dear family friend from Scotland in his seventies, I asked him immediately about Mark Carney. This guy's Harvard educated, worked for the World Bank. His view of Mark Carney is basically this. He is a bureaucrat not a politician he does not know how to be a politician transition from bureaucracy the politics

is exceedingly difficult. Yes it is and we're gonna end it there my friend thank you so much for the call Tom I really appreciate it Want to kick your cooking up a notch? This is the moment you've been waiting for. Flavor Network is giving one lucky viewer $15,000 to put towards the grocery bill. Oh, I love that. Tune into Flavor Network every night at 9 Eastern or stream live on Stack TV. Look for the daily code word and enter on our website for a chance to win $15,000.

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