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Welcome to the Ben Mulwerney Show on this Monday. I hope you had a great weekend. I hope you were able to recharge and get ready for the week ahead. I say hello specifically to our listeners on CFPL in London as well as on 640 Toronto. But you may be listening on the iHeartRadio app or you may find us in podcast form wherever you find us. We love that you're starting your week with us. Thank you so very much. I was just telling Kevin Frankish that I experienced the roller coaster of emotions over the weekend.

I knew that the election campaign would continue and therefore we'd have a lot to talk about today. I did not know that I would experience the range of emotions that I did. And not all of it was involved with the campaign. For example, I was able to take my kids out with my wife for an incredible, wonderful family dinner last night at one of our favorite restaurants, Piano Piano.

It was a family style dinner. We had a great time. There's nothing better than being able to get out of the house and go to a great restaurant and just enjoy the company of your kids, especially at the age that my kids are at, 14, 14 and 11, and just sit there and experience them and listen to them and laugh with them.

And so we had a great time. And from that, I went to watch the final hole, the playoff hole of the Masters. And that was a heck of a playoff hole to see Rory McElroy complete the career Grand Slam was something very special. To see the weight of the world lifted from his shoulders in that moment was something really special.

And then right out of that, we watched Tout le Monde en Parle. This was the French-Canadian Radio-Canada talk show hosted by Guy LePage. And Pierre Poliev sat for about 20 minutes, followed by Mark Carney. And while I think Pierre Poliev did a better job than Mark Carney, Mark Carney is, the Liberals are still about 20 points ahead of the Tories in the polls in Quebec. The most telling thing for me in that moment that surprised me, shocked me,

and gave me a lot to think about was in that moment on that show, on that stage, Mark Carney's French was head and shoulders better than I have seen him thus far in the campaign. I have been poo-pooing his French, I think rightly so. I think I've seen him start a sentence in French only to either lose his train of thought or not have the vocabulary to complete the sentence,

pivot to English and then button it up with a merci and then that's it. And so I was convinced and have been convinced up until yesterday that he would get destroyed, destroyed in the French language debate, which I believe happens tomorrow or Wednesday. Yeah, Wednesday. And he acquitted himself very well.

He had a vocabulary I did not expect. And if he was able to improve his French in three days, which I would assume was unheard of, but he does have a big brain, if he was able to do that in three days, I think the debates are going to side. But on the bad side, I was so angered, not surprised, but angered by what I saw from Adam VanCouverton. Adam VanCouverton, you'll remember, he was the MP, liberal MP for Milton, who came out and said disparaging things about Stephen Harper after he had endorsed Pierre Poliev, said some terrible things.

Mark Carney never came out and slapped him down for that, which I thought was a failing of Mark Carney, because I thought that his candidate behaved in such a shameful way. You would think that after the negative response that Adam Vancouver didn't got for that, he'd be on his best behavior. Well, it turns out that was not the case.

So it was Passover over the weekend. By the way, happy Passover to all of our Jewish listeners. I hope you had a fulfilling and wonderful time with family. So he wished Adam Vancouver didn't did what most politicians do, is he went on to his social media wishing his Jewish constituents a happy Passover, which is one thing. But then he goes to a mosque and has this to say.

I just want everybody to know that our voices, your voices will be strong in Ottawa, strong to condemn the genocide and the genocide in Gaza to continue to make sure that the Palestinian voices are heard in Ottawa by our leaders and to make sure that Canada continues to stand strong for Palestinian safety and sovereignty. Okay, so a couple of things there. Pick a lane, buddy, first of all. Although maybe not, it's been almost liberal de facto policy

over the past few years to say one thing to one cultural community and then say something completely different to another. I've rarely seen it by one person. Typically in fact, you had Melanie Joligo out in the Trudeau days and speak to Muslim constituents. And then Anthony Housefather, who is Jewish and from Montreal, would speak to Jews. This came from the same guy.

The second thing that we need to remember is it is not the Liberal Party policy to acknowledge that there has been a genocide in Gaza. So I'd be very curious to hear what Mark Carney had to say about that, but he's been very silent, probably because he was learning French. These things matter. These things matter. These speak to values.

These speak to vision. These speak to respect for our fellow citizens. You know, we don't always have to agree with each other, but we kind of have to know where we're coming from, right? Especially in politics. If I do not know what you stand for, I do not know what you're going to do in the future. And when you juxtapose that to Pierre Poliev standing in front of a podium and being asked very specific questions about who he stands with and how he sees Canada's role in the Middle East and who our allies are. He was crystal clear that he stands with the Jewish people of Canada and that he stands

with the state of Israel. And so, you may not agree with him, but you should take comfort in knowing what he stands for. So so that's that was something I was dealing with. I was so angry, but also and then disappointed that Mark Carney didn't have the I don't know, didn't have the strength to come out and condemn that. But that's that that's the policy thus far, it seems, and tactics of the Liberal Party, keep Mark Carney hidden until he can pop his head up, do something positive, and when he does something negative,

take off the candidate hat and pretend to be prime minister for a little while. As we keep talking about Mark Carney's alleged, supposed possible conflicts of interest, and so Pierre Poliev came out with a plan We keep talking about Mark Carney's alleged supposed possible conflicts of interest. And so Pierre Poliev came out with a plan on how to deal with conflicts of interest in the future. And I don't think it's a good look for for any candidate. When when when Pierre Poliev says we're going to fix the ethics issues and he uses the

Liberal Party leader as example, number one of the supposed alleged possible ethics breaches. We're going to make sure that a Mark Carney can never happen in the future. That's not a good look for your leader. That is, you should get ahead of that, man. People have been telling you for weeks now, you should get ahead of this. You should tell us what's behind the door. Take us into the VIP and tell us who's there. But that has not happened. Welcome back to the Ben Mulroney Show. Thank you so much for joining us. It is very common during an election campaign for campaigns to roll out all sorts of campaign promises. They want to let you know who they are, what they stand for, what's new, what they can offer you.

And over the weekend, Mark Carney and the Liberals unveiled the Canada Strong Pass. Gonna let kids and teens under 18 get into national galleries and museums and take free rides on VIA Rail at no cost when they're traveling with their parents. Pass is gonna be available in the summertime. And they call it a way to make it easier for families and young people to explore the country this summer. And a couple of things, Via Rail doesn't go everywhere, which means if you want to travel to all points in Canada,

you have to get off the train at some point and take a car. And so that's one thing. Second thing, the Trudeau liberals in 2019 unveiled a very similar, if not borderline identical plan. So all that's old is new. And that's in keeping with this very tired government and very tired party that just doesn't seem to have any new ideas. But the thing that I find interesting is I would love to know what Mark Holland, former minister, has to think of as to say about this, because he had some very pointed

things to say a few months ago about taking road trips as a family. Let's listen. Good news, kids. You can take a summer fun time vacation where you're locked in a car for 10 consecutive days nonstop with no bathroom breaks and the conservatives have a plan for you to have that summertime fun and the cost? Give up the future of the planet. Don't worry kids about climate change, don't worry about taking action on the planet, enjoy your 10 hours in the car and let the planet, enjoy your 10 hours in the car, and let the planet burn. So you might as well call this the let the planet burn plan, because like I said, VIA Rail doesn't go to all the places that these, that they want you to visit.

You want to visit the country, you want to visit our national parks? VIA Rail doesn't go to all those places, so at some point you got to get off the train and you got to get into a car for your summertime fun ride. And so I've heard I've seen some people refer to this, this this Canada strong pass as the Canada strong pass. But I want to hear from you, like when you hear this, is this just more of the same? Does this anger you? Does this frustrate you 416-870-6400 or 1-888-225-TALK. They've run out of road. They've run out of steam.

They've run out of ideas. They are recycling ideas from the past that didn't work or that they didn't implement. If they, or there seems to me, the liberals are lifting from the Tories. They're lifting from years past. Do you think this is a good idea? You might think this is a great idea. Let me know. And would you take advantage of this? Or are you saying to yourself, it'd be great if I could, but if I have to pay to get on the train, I don't have that money.

I get the idea. We want to have people spend more of their time, their money, their disposable income in Canada, except Canada doesn't have a whole lot of disposable income these days. We just don't. There's far less today than there ever has been, at least in my lifetime. And frankly, this seems like the issues that people had in 2019 when this was brought up are the same that exists today, which is you're gonna tell people that they get, because in 2019 it was about a $2,000 tax credit, I believe, if you wanted to go camping.

And okay, so you've got $2,000 for me as a family to save, but it's only if I go camping. Like this to me is much ado about nothing. It also seems very tone deaf, very, very tone deaf to suggest that Canadians want to hear this right now, that Canadians are thinking about touring the country. I wish this were a policy during good times, but we're in a crisis as we've been told by Mark Carney. As a matter of fact, he's gone so far as to say, he wouldn't even be on the political scene

were we not in a crisis. This is not a policy that should ping on anybody's radar if we are in fact in a crisis. But I wanna hear from you at 416-870-6400. And again, you want us to visit all these places? Via Rail doesn't take us to all those places. You want us to visit national parks? Via Rail does not take you to all the national parks.

So people have to get in their cars and sometimes drive a heck of a long while to get to those places if they want to take advantage of this. Square that with what Mark Holland said in the House of Commons to the Ballyhoo in celebration of his liberal colleagues who were looking at the conservatives as people who wanted the planet to burn. Square that for me, Make it make sense.

How do you justify that? How do you justify that? At the very least, back when Mark Holland said it, we were all paying the carbon tax on whenever we'd gas up the car. So at the very least, according to the liberal vision of the world, yes, you may be in your car, but at least we're taking your money that is going to make it so the planet doesn't burn, which, by the way, was all BS to begin with. So explain it to me, justify it for me. Tell me how that fits into your vision of the world. Mario, welcome to the Ben Mulroney Show.

Hi, good morning. I don't know where to start. No, it doesn't fit into my vision of the world. You got to be able to use your car. fit into my vision of the world. You've got to be able to use your car. Of course, of course, but if you use your vision, if you use your car, according to Mark Holland just a few months ago, that meant you were willing to watch the planet burn. So how does this policy make any sense? It doesn't make any sense. And I will say this too, I don't think very much of Mark Holland or any of those other people, those cabinet people, not at all. And I don't even know, I go off in different directions. They're copying everything the conservatives are doing in their campaign. They're just regurgitating in a different way. They're copying everything they're doing. Yeah.

And I don't trust Mr. Carney at all. He's moved his business to the United States. Well, guess what? Wouldn't that be easy if he had such a big investment in the United States. Well, guess what? Wouldn't that be easy if you had such a big investment in the United States for them to manipulate him? If you don't do this, we're going to do that to your business or shut you down or do something or other. He's invested in pipelines in the United States, but not in Canada. Yeah. And let's not forget the fact that he wants to build 500,000 modular homes a year that have heat pumps and Brookfield is invested in, lo and behold, modular homes and heat pumps. Now, I am not saying there's anything wrong

with that Mario, but because we don't know exactly what he's holding, what's in his blind trust, because we don't know any of it, we're left to speculate. And given the track record over the past few weeks of this liberal government, I am not inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt. Neither am I, especially not for the last 10 years, but I use this as a parody. What's a Canada's national bird? I believe it's a Canada goose, but for those who vote liberal, it should be an ostrich

with his head stuck in the sand. Well, yeah, I mean, there's like this is this is that we're getting into the last few weeks of the election campaign. Everything matters. Every vote that comes out is going to matter. But I wish everybody voted on what is in their best interest and what they believe is the best interest of the country. And if they tell me, well, I just I don't like Pierre Poliev, that is your feelings

on him as a person, whether you think he's a nice guy or not, is that germane of the conversation. And I thought he, I don't know if you speak French or watch Tout le Monde en parle last night, but he was asked about that aspect of his personality. And he says, you know, it comes off as aggressive, but I believe that Canadians deserve better. And I have been angry watching what I think is a government

that hasn't paid attention to what the needs of the people are. And I have been angry watching what I think is a government that hasn't paid attention to what the needs of the of the people are. And I want to stand up for those people. And if it has come off as angry or aggressive in the past, it is what it is. And I accept that as an answer. I don't know about you. Well, let's put it this way. First of all, I like his personality, because he's straightforward, not no nonsense. It doesn't beat around the bush. What you see is what

you get. And I like that. Okay. And as far as the modular homes are concerned, guess what, Mr. Carney? I guess that fit right into your 15 minute city where you can't drive. Yeah. And by the way, they would be built on land that the person doesn't own, from what I understand. I could be wrong.

And by the way, if I ever say anything on this show, I should say this often, if I ever say anything that runs counter to facts, if I say something where I've misspoken or I've misquoted somebody, I do hope that our listeners will hold me to account because I think I wanna be as accurate as possible. I'm not always gonna get it right.

But hey, Mario, thank you very much for your call. Yeah, look, this is, as somebody pointed out, it's reals not feels when it comes to the liberals. They want us to feel like Donald Trump is an omnipresent threat. He is a hurdle that needs to be overcome, but he is not in every aspect of our lives, and he's certainly not responsible

for where we find ourselves as a nation, but they want you to feel that way. They want to take advantage of fear to make you feel a certain way. I don't believe that the Tories are doing that. I believe the take advantage of fear to make you feel a certain way. I don't believe that the Tories are doing that. I believe the Tories are trying to appeal to your pocketbook, to your sense of security, to your sense of community, to your obligation to your kids and to future generations. And in my mind, I think that's a fair thing to say.

Welcome back to the Ben Mulroney Show. we're gonna open up the lines and have a discussion in just a moment. I want to level set with everybody. There was a there was an uncomfortable allegation made last week that because there were a few people that showed up at a Pierre Poliev rally wearing sweatshirts that said something to the effect of do you believe the polls? There are certain people in the media that were chasing down the question. Well, if they don't believe the polls, are they going to accept the outcome of the election? That is an insane suggestion, an insane suggestion that I thought was a waste of time, a waste of airtime specifically, a waste of questions to all members,

all politicians who were asked the question. Of course, we accept there's never been a significant number of people in this country who don't accept the outcome of an election. We are living during a time where there seems to be a disconnect between what people are experiencing on the ground and what they are seeing in the polls. And they're simply asking questions about the polls, which are an extrapolation based on data and based on formulas of the will of the people. So there's a lot of unknowns in there

and different pollsters choose different methodologies. So of course, so you're going to get disparate views. So of course, so you're gonna get disparate views. So of course you're gonna have questions about that. The election is an expression of public will. It's definitive. Of course, one is not the other. One doesn't lead to the other. And polls have gotten it wrong.

But there was a conference last week in Ottawa called the Canada Strong and Free Networking Conference. It's a conservative get together where they get together and talk about policy and initiatives and ideas and values. And at that conference, there were buttons, lapel buttons that were found that to a casual observer, if they saw them lying on the ground, would suggest that there was in fact

a group of people at this thing who were lining up to question the election. Stop the steal, lock up Justin Trudeau. A vote for Mark Carney is a vote for Western separation. These are all very concerning things that any responsible journalist would pick up and say, we got to find out who at this conference is behind this. Well, lo and behold, it wasn't people at the conference.

It was uncovered that it was liberal staffers directed from by the liberal war room to do just that. And this is not speculation. The journalist in question at the CBC overheard these staffers talking at a bar. This is a fact. This happened. And you do not get to skate on that. The liberals have forever tried to link Donald Trump and Pierre Poliev.

And when they can't do it in fact, they do it with fiction. And that is a, it is corrosive to our democracy. And I want to hear from you at 416-870-6400 They do it with fiction. And that is a it is corrosive to our democracy. And I want to hear from you at 416-870-6400 or 1-888-225-TALK. What do you think of all this? Because by the way, the statement that came out from the liberals, unacceptable, not good enough.

After many news reports last week about conservative infighting and prominent Trump allies being hosted at this Canadian conservative conference. It's been reported that liberal campaigners had created buttons poking fun at those reports, which regrettably got carried away. While it is worth noting that many materials being shown online have nothing to do with members of our team, the party has acted quickly to review the matter, as leader Mark Carney has also made it clear to the campaign that this does not fit his commitment to serious and positive discourse.

Not good enough. I'm sorry, I'm not accepting that. I'm not accepting that. You tried to lie. You tried to gain favor with Canadian people by lying to them. You could have gone, this should be a debate on values. This should be a debate on policies.

And you tried to sphere monger to get people on your side. That is pathetic. And that is dangerous. Chris, welcome to the show. What do you think? Hey, Ben, so I've gotten a couple of calls to do polls. The problem is, not really a problem, but I'm a plumber. So I got pipes open, I got people without water, and I'm on a crunch time to get services back up for these individuals and I don't have time. It looks bad to the client and I think many people that are working that were on our phone

or on our phones while we're charging them for a service to do these posts. So I don't have time to sit for 10, 15 minutes and both your questions when I'm trying to provide a service. Yeah, you're working. That need a service. Yeah, you're working. The clients that need a service. Yeah, you're working. I mean, there is an argument out there. I don't know if it holds true, but the people who would vote conservative

are the ones out there working. And so they're not picking up the phone and those who've got the time to pick up more often than not might be voting liberal. Like I said, I don't know if the numbers bear that out, but it is a theory. Thank you for the call, Chris. I appreciate it.

Curtis, welcome to the show. Hey, Ben. How's it going? I'm doing well. Where do we find you today? I'm just on the DVP right now. All right. Well, I'm 25 years old and I've seen a lot of social media posts on like polling.

I follow a few, I guess there'd be news sites on social media. And I've seen like on the first days of the polls when they first dropped, the conservatives on those social media sites, having an exorbitant lead over the liberals. And it's a Toronto based social media site too, which is conflicting. So you're 25, may I ask who you intend to vote for? I'm pretty certain I wanna vote for Pierre.

Yeah. Just cause I don't know. Yeah, but when you, so you say you wanna vote for Pierre, what about amongst your friends, amongst the people that you know, what's the general sense in your age group? Well, I come from a more northern area like I come from Durham. Yeah. So it is more conservative leaning, I see. But I have been talking to family members that

have been more left leaning and trying to show them that it doesn't make sense to just continue to vote for them. Like my mom was a heavy, heavy NDP supporter all her life. And actually this election, she's going to be voting conservative. Interesting. Interesting. Hey, thank you very much for the call, my friend. Thank you and drive safe. And look, I have sat on this show in front of this microphone many times, asking the question, do the polls reflect the reality on the ground? And I will be God damned if I'm gonna let anybody ascribe some nefarious intention to me for asking that question. I am not a conspiracy theorist.

I have never challenged an election result ever. And to suggest it simply because somebody asks the question, do you believe the polls, does not mean you have the right to smear them with anything else. Asking a question is asking a question. If you're afraid of the question, you got to ask yourself why. Who do we have next? I think we've got Tom, Tom, welcome.

You're calling from London. What do you think? Yeah, well, it's not surprising to anybody like the liberals. Liberals will do anything it takes. It's all about money and power with them. And they'll do anything it takes to get to get elected i mean i do think david menci that it's it's good to watch he interviewed people outside of

uh... outside of our carney rally but what they're lined up and it's just amazing like where have these people been for the last ten years yeah like that liberals are literally ruin the country and where these people been they've been so indoctrinated, so drinking the liberal Kool-Aid, they actually just don't see it. It's amazing to watch.

Oh no, I know. And that's why somebody suggested in the previous segment that Canada's national bird should be the ostrich, at least for this election. Thank you for the call. But let's also remind you, there were a lot of buttons, right? This wasn't two, two of them were photographed,

but there were lots of different buttons. That costs money. Who funded it? Did these guys sneak in or did they pay to get in? Who paid for them to get in? This wasn't two staffers who went rogue. This came from the liberal war room. Name the names because I'm not a legal expert in any way,

but could they have run afoul of the law in doing this? We've got very strict laws as as it relates to what you're allowed to do and what you're not allowed to do in a campaign. This certainly I know this is unethical. I know it's underhanded. Is it OK to ask the question is illegal? I think it is. Let's keep going with this, Frank. Welcome to the show. Thanks for calling in.

Good morning, Ben. I think it's raised as much more serious questions and issues regarding the the overall character of the Liberal Party. There were questions and issues that were raised legitimately about Mark Carney several weeks ago. Now we've got to look at and consider the fact that if it's part of a war room plan that was initiated, the issue regarding the character of a liberal party overall becomes much more serious issue. Yeah. And I think Polly ever should focus on this because it just paints legitimately paints the liberal party by engaging such conduct. I completely agree. I do not think the statement made by the party goes far enough. It does not go far enough. Even in that statement,

it doesn't say that Mark Carney condemns these people and they've been fired. And we don't know who they are. And we don't know how many there are. And we don't know exactly what happened. It's shameful. And to think that Canadians don't deserve more than what was just given to them

by the man who currently is our prime minister and who wants to be prime minister again. Like, I'm sorry, that's not good enough for me. And maybe I'm wrong. Feel free to call in and tell me I'm wrong. Brian, welcome to the show. Hi, Ben. You're doing a great job.

Thank you. The liberals, they've been cheating since December. They parode parliament, and they have a leadership convention. The only people from the government you hear about are the liberals. They've been dominating it ever since then. And then now you've got somebody in who, quite frankly, I look at him and I don't trust him one bit.

Well, Brian, what I'll say is everything that you just described is within the rules. I don't like it, but everything you just described, the prorogation, it's all in the rules. And I got to accept it as somebody who likes to play by the rules. I don't like it, but everything you just described, the prorogation, it's all in the rules. And I got to accept it as somebody who likes to play by the rules. What I saw in Ottawa, to me, feels like against the rules. Feels like they broke the rules. They certainly broke the spirit of the rules. I don't know if they broke anything resembling a law,

but I sure as heck would like to find out. Hey, we're gonna keep this conversation going. If you're on the phone, please hold, because I wanna hear from you more on this subject when we come back on the Ben Mulroney show. Welcome back to the Ben Mulroney show more on your calls on the subject of what people are calling badge scam or button gates. There was a conservative confab in Ottawa over last week and a liberal party staffers at the direction of the liberal election war room were directed to go into this organization

and drop buttons everywhere that would link the conservative Party to American-style fear politics, making Canada great again, locking up your political opponents, suggesting that Mark Carney could lead to British Western alienation and separation, stopping the steel, as said on one button. And I was wondering whether any of this ran afoul of the law Someone tweeted that section 92 of the Canada elections act says it is illegal to falsely claim to be a candidate or

Representative of a candidate or a member of political party with the intent to mislead voters section 320 all Election advertising including signs and digital content, must include an authorization tagline identifying who paid for the authorization. Failing to include it or misrepresenting the source is an offense. Section 482B, it is an offense to induce a person to vote or refrain from voting for a particular candidate through intimidation or fraudulent means. Penalties include up to two grand in fines, one year in prison on summary conviction, or up to $5,000 and five years of indictment.

So these are very serious charges, and anybody who would suggest to you that this is par for the course, or that, oh, well, the other side does it too, prove it. This has been proven. Show it to me. I have not seen evidence of it.

The liberals have done this, and they need to be held to account. And the and what the what the party said to justify it or explain it away is not enough. Who are we joined now by Darren, welcome to the show. right now and I'm a salesman so I talk to a lot of farmers at the kitchen table and right now this kind of stuff I'm going to go back to my grassroots and every time I talk to you it's about the grassroots. So right now what needs to happen is we don't have time out here in the egg sector for rule breakers and verbal diarrhea that a couple parties are doing not just the Liberals but the Liberals and the liberals and the Orange Party as well too.

What we need is to get seeds in the ground out here. Open up C-69 because guess what? Carbon tax is really a swear word out here. We need tariffs gone with us in China and the US. What we need is cheats in the seats in Ottawa and a functional government whoever gets in there it's time to get work so we can get back to what we're good at. Plain and simple. Darren, thank you so much for the call. I appreciate the clarity and yeah I agree and I want to hear from you 4168706400 or 1-888-225-TALK. Is this story of the buttons a bridge too far for you? Or are

you desensitized by the dirty tricks in politics? I'd love to hear from you. And let's let's talk to Dave and Whitby. Dave, welcome to the show. Good morning, Ben. Good morning. I'm liking you more and more now. Thank you, sir. You left that pansy TV show. I'm not into that stuff about the Hollywood elites and that kind of stuff. But anyway, how many rules did you state there that they've broken? Well, I mean, if somebody with a legal background were to confirm it, that's three sections of the Canada Elections Act that could have been broken. But again, I don't want to, I'm not willing to go out there and say they did that.

That's up for a court to decide. Okay, well, knowing the liberals, they probably did. You know, they've proven their track record for the last 10 years. And we know about Mr. Kretchen. He wasn't exactly, you know, a white or white, no he didn't. But anyway, nothing like your dear sweet father. I'll tell you that one. Yeah, thank you. But I've heard all of it. The guy says about the ostrich in the sand. Well, I think it should be the ostrich

with their head up, you know where, when it comes to the liberals. If we're talking about that. Yeah, you're right, 100%. Everybody's phoned into. These people are, the liberal government is bankrupt, morally, absolutely, you name it. They just don't have nothing.

But if they're not like at this point, they're showing Dave, they are showing us, they're showing us who they are. And if they believe they're not this, they need to behave differently. They need to do an about face on this sort of behavior. They need to acknowledge it. And they and they need to I think they got a name and shame those who are involved. I think we got time for one more. But if not, give us a call.

416-870-6400-1888-225. Talk. Mark from Markham. Welcome to the show. Yes, I think you guys are missing the point. Your leader is unlikeable. That's the problem with a perceived PC party. I would love to vote PC, but he's unlikeable. He's also a guy who hasn't had a real job for the last 20 years. Even, okay. These are all anti-political. I've heard those. Hey, Mark, let's talk about this. I've heard that before. One thing you haven't mentioned is policy.

Like whose policies do you stand by? Just personally speaking, I don't care if somebody's unlikable. I'd rather they be unlikable and effective, unlikable and trustworthy, unlikable and put money back in my pocket. Opposition party. Pardon? What is he complaining for the last year about how bad the government has been? He's been in government for 20 years.

No, no, no, he's been in parliament for 20 years. He's been in parliament for 20 years. He's been on the opposite side for three years. All he does is complain and whine and complain and whine. Well, no, you say complain and whine and I say oppose, which was his job. But then, but if it's been so bad in the last 10 years and he's lost decades, he's been part of that problem. No, he is not.

He's been on the other side of it. He's been, he's been opposing it. Shouldn't he be able to conserve, do something, fight against the things that's going wrong? I mean, listen, if you want my opinion, he did. He is, he is solely responsible for putting more money back in your pocket by forcing

the liberals to do an about face on the carbon tax. It's the last decade. I would love to vote for PC, but it's just the last decade. I don't think it's been true. If it's been so bad, then you would have seen a lot of people leaving Canada. You have. We have framing. You've seen a lot of money leave the country.

You've seen you've seen flights of billions of dollars in investment go elsewhere. You've seen a loss of productivity. You've seen a loss of quality in the services that are delivered. You see a loss of hope. I mean, you can name it all, Mark. It's there, and the statistics bear it out. Since 2015, the productivity gap between Canada and the United States has done nothing but widen.

We produce less, it costs more. We're poorer today. We produce less, it costs more, we're poorer today, we haven't grown our economy. Like explain to me how any of that is a false, it's not, it's all true, and why any of it shouldn't stick to the liberals. Why don't they own that? They've been in charge exclusively with the NDP

for the last 10 years. Yes, and like I can say for myself, it's been a lot better than the last 10 years before than the last 10 years. Well, then there, okay, therein lies the rub. It's been better for you. So sure, vote for the guy that you think, but you have not acknowledged. Can I finish my point here? Sure. Pierre has had a real job where he has to go make or about losing his job or making like okay. I know that to me that that's that's meaningless. He's been defending

people and his and his vision for Canada in the House of Commons. That's a nonsense claim and I have no time for it. But I do appreciate the call. Thank you very much. Want to transform your space and your Sundays? Well, Home Network is giving you the chance to love your home with $15,000. There can only be one winner. Tune in to Renovation Resort every Sunday and look for the code word during the show.

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