The Ben Mulroney Show - How can anyone trust Mark Carney when he constantly lies?

Episode Date: April 25, 2025

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There's always a lot of fun on a Wednesday. I'm very happy to be joined yet again by a good friend of the show, a good friend of mine, as well as someone whose birthday is coming up this weekend, Adam Zivow, the national policy columnist, national post columnist rather, and executive director for the Center for Responsible Drug Policy. Adam, welcome to the show.

Thanks for having me, it's great to be here. Okay, so earlier today, we've been talking about a response that Mark Carney gave while he was in the British Columbia in the lower mainland, talking to a journalist who said, why should we trust your party to solve the drug epidemic in this country when your party was essentially responsible for a 600% overdose increase in Vancouver and your candidate is the former mayor who oversaw that.

And his answer to me, Adam, was very lacking in that it lacked complete empathy or understanding that his party, while he was not in charge, but it was his party, was responsible for a lot of that suffering and he didn't really take accountability for it and said, well, we're going to attack this problem from a lot of different ways. Yeah, I mean, look, so obviously under the liberal government for the past 10 years, we've seen a significant explosion in overdose deaths, we've seen a rise in public drug use, we've seen streets become unsafe. And I think a large part of that comes from the fact that for 10 years the Liberals only embraced radical harm reduction and completely ignored drug treatment, drug prevention, and law enforcement. And one

would hope that if Carney's going to position himself as a new face of the Liberal Party, as someone who's going to change the status quo and take us in a new direction, that he would articulate what that new direction would be in his platform. But when he actually goes through the Liberal platform, it says almost nothing about drugs. So there is no clarification about where the party stands on drug decriminalization or safe supply or overdose prevention sites. All of that is absent. And in the absence of a new direction, I think that we can assume that we'll just see more of the status quo. The only thing that they've really committed to is I think about $500 million put towards drug treatment

in some capacity, but the fund that they want to give this funding to is one that also supports radical harm reduction as well. So I don't really know why Mark Carney can be trusted to reduce overdose deaths if he just seems to be perpetuating the problem. Yeah, when asked about it, he said, Oh, there's a lot of reasons for for the the opioid epidemic. And, and we're going to attack all of them. But we're also going to work in lockstep with our provincial partners. That that's not an answer. That's an answer that somebody gives. If you're called on by a teacher and you don't have the answer, that's what you say. Exactly. And look, he's very correct, though, in saying that there are many different reasons why we have this catastrophe. And to be honest, many of them are because of the liberals.

And I hate to sound overly partisan here, but part of the reason why drug traffickers are allowed to operate with such impunity is because our justice system is currently broken. And if you're a drug trafficker, it's very likely that you'll be let out on bail very easily and that if you are eventually convicted of a crime, that you'll face a light sentence. And part of that is because back in 2019, the liberals passed Bill C-75, which greatly loosened bail conditions and mandated that arrested individuals be released as soon as possible. Then in 2022, there was Bill C-5, which removed mandatory minimum sentences for traffickers

and imposed greater use of house arrest. So if you, for example, are a street level fentanyl dealer in BC and it's your first conviction, then you're gonna get maybe about 18 months to three years for that crime for selling lethal poison that kills people. So how is this acceptable? Yeah. And Carney hasn't really, he hasn't provided any real solutions to this. He hasn't. And

I tend to look at who are the police endorsing who are the police associations, they're the ones they're the frontline workers who have to keep our streets safe. And if they're telling me that the guy with the plan to make our streets safer is Pierre Poliev and the conservatives, I'm going to believe them. I'm like, there's, there's, there's a strong reason why, right? Because policing feels almost pointless if you can't keep people in jail. And if you want to keep people in jail,

if you want to keep them segregated from the rest of society, so they can't prey upon the vulnerable, if you want to deter criminals, you need bail and sentencing reform. And that's something that we just don't see in the liberal platform. The only thing that they have on bail is for people who are to engage in violent carjackings or house home invasions, you know, Carney wants to ensure that they have a reverse onus when it comes to bail, which essentially means that they have to prove that they should be released into the public instead of the crown proving that they should be detained. But the thing is that we already have reverse onus for many of these crimes and

reverse onus just doesn't work because of the framework created by Bill C-75. So unless you eliminate Bill C-75 and change the wider bail norms that we have right now, reverse onus is not going to keep these people off the street. Yeah. Yeah, similarly for sentencing, right? For sentencing, reverse onus is not going to keep these people off the street. Yeah. Yeah. And similarly for sentencing, right? For sentencing, uh, they, they want denunciation to be emphasized for, for people who are once again engaged in home invasions or, or car thefts. But, but why is it limited to that? Why don't we see sentencing reform for drug trafficking? It doesn't make any sense.

I want to take our last few minutes to turn our eye to Ukraine. Donald Trump claimed, had he been in office when the war had started, it never would have started and once he came into office, he was going to end it pretty quickly. If not immediately, that hasn't happened yet. For some reason, we've heard some pretty bananas things coming out of him and some of his team members that somehow Ukraine started this war and they are responsible for it. Well now Trump is pleading with Putin to stop his attacks on, his deadly attacks on Kiev. How does he message this?

Because he's put all his eggs in being the broker of a peace deal here and throwing a lot of negativity towards Ukraine but it's so clear to anybody watching that Vladimir's Putin is the is the aggressor. Well yeah he's clearly the aggressor we would I think any person who's have watched this conflict closely would be would have been able to tell you months ago years years ago, that any attempt to negotiate with Putin needs to come from a position of actual strength and not appeasement like Trump has been doing.

Trump wanted to present himself as the strong deal maker, but the tone of rhetoric that he's been using with Putin sounds like, I don't know, some, it's like an abused woman who thinks that she can fix her dangerous boyfriend. Right. Right. Yeah. I see what you mean. Yeah. His true social post said, you know, Vladimir, no, don't do this, which I'm sorry, this is not a strong response. It feels weak. It feels like he's, it feels like he's begging, uh, Putin to be, to not, to not bomb civilians, but he's begging in a way where it feels

like he's not actually holding Putin accountable, as if he's not recognizing the fact that this is who Putin is. And there's been an interesting contrast in the kind of rhetoric he uses with Putin versus Zelensky. You know, he'll write these long, incredibly aggressive diatribes against Zelensky, but when it comes to Putin, he'll write something short and indulgent. What's Putin's endgame here? It seems like he had the most favorable conditions with a president who was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Why then poke the bear? I mean, that's a good question. I think that fundamentally Putin wants to get as much as he can. Although the Americans have been quite, I mean, they've given Putin much of what he wants, I don't think that's enough to appease him. The fact is that historically speaking, when you show weakness to Putin, he acts more aggressively. I don't see why Trump would be the exception. Trump is being weak and Putin is taking advantage of that. And we see that that's paying off because Trump can't even provide a full throated condemnation

of this major attack, which only illustrates that Putin has no reason not to escalate going forward. Yeah, I'm still waiting for somebody to point out that this this war was supposed to end the second that Donald Trump came into office, and yet that has not come to pass. Adam Zivow on these two important issues. I always love having you on because there is no more sober and reasoned person on either one of them than you.

And I thank you very much, and I wish you a very happy birthday, my friend. Well, thank you, it's very kind of you to say. Hi, I'm Donna Friesen from Global National. Life moves fast these days and we want to make it even easier for you to get the news you need. That's why you can now get Global National every day as a podcast. The biggest stories of the day with analysis from award-winning global news journalists.

New episodes drop every day, so take this as your personal invitation to join us on the Global National Podcast. You can find it on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Amazon Music, and wherever you find your favorite podcasts. So as I've said before, Kevin Vong has been a vital voice in the fight against anti-Semitism in this country, as the wave has crested over this country and we consistently say this is not who we are. Sadly, when you let it happen for as long as it's happened, it is who we are. Kevin has sat as an independent MP

in the House of Commons for the last few years. He's hanging up his skates to pursue other opportunities. But yesterday, his social media caught my attention because he was at a demonstration that involved women and children, and they were getting harassed by somebody, it seems, who worked for the NDP. I'd love to get some more color and details

to what exactly happened. And so we're joined by Kevin right now. Kevin, thanks so much for joining us. Thanks for having me, Ben. So what happened yesterday? So this was an incident that actually happened last fall. Oh, last fall? Well, and it was an incident where this person very aggressively came at us.

If you listen to the audio, he talks about, oh, why are you touching me? Why are you touching me? When he literally drove his bike into children and families, and he was trying to get to me and trying to antagonize me. And it was an incident I reported to the sergeant arms. We reported to police, but ultimately they were unable to identify who he was. And then yesterday, uh, the community, I guess, using the magic of, of AI was able to find out that.

the community, I guess, using the magic of AI, was able to find out that, in fact, it appeared to be a person who was the NDP riding president, Ben, for my riding. And it was super alarming because one of the things that really stuck with me in addition to him really intimidating, and I remember children crying, was at one point my wife said, why are you doing this? Why don't you leave us alone?

And he turned to her and he essentially said, you know, you're a target too because you chose to marry Kevin. You're just as much of a target as him. And for me, that is fundamentally as un-Canadian as you can get. You leave our families and children alone. You can target the public office holder. I guess I signed up for this, not really, but our families didn't.

No, but it's a tool of the self-righteous. The more self-righteous you are, the more you feel that you can break rules that others are beholden to. It's the stock and trade of the self-righteous, and there are no more self-righteous in my opinion than, you know, downtown NDPers. And I guess I'm tarring them all with a brush right now,

but I'm doing it a little tongue in cheek. So now that we know who the guy is, and the internet's able to name and shame, but are there legal steps that can be pursued against this person? Well, I think now that we know who the person is, I think I'm gonna reach back out to my contacts within police

and to see if there is anything there. Because, you know, it's not about me, it's now about the community. These are people who, all they did was they were raising their voice and speaking out on an issue that was important to them, which for context was the city imposing a shelter in their residential community

that would have sandwiched their elementary school with a drug injection site. Yeah. Yeah, call them. I'm not gonna let anybody tell me I don't care for the downtrodden in our society simply by saying, hey, I think it's kind of unacceptable that our kids are gonna be next to a safe injection site. You can't get there from here.

Exactly. And so I think for me, that is the biggest issue is ensuring that going forward, this neighborhood and any neighborhood in Toronto or frankly across Canada can feel comfortable enough to exercise their freedom of expression and assembly without worry that whether it's the NDP or someone else will try to intimidate them and silence them because they don't agree with whatever position that Canadians have chosen to take. Well, Kevin, I know that you are saying goodbye to

Parliament Hill, but something tells me given how outspoken you've been on a number of very important files, that this is not the last we will see of you somewhere in the public sphere. And if you say no right now, I hope it's not a no forever. No, it definitely isn't forever. We don't have to be in public office to make a public difference. And for me, it's about the city and the country

that my daughter's going to inherit. We only have one home, only one country, and we're going to keep fighting for it. Kevin Vong, always great to talk to you, my friend. Take good care. Thank you. Take care, Ben. Back to the conversation that I want to have with our listeners. After learning that Mark Carney misrepresented his original phone call with Donald Trump, positioning himself as the only person who could restore and defend Canada's national sovereignty in the face of this imminent threat by Donald Trump,

knowing now that that was a complete fiction. What's his appeal, guys? Tell me why he's the guy to beat. Let's take a call from Martin. Martin welcome to the show. Hey Ben, how are you my friend? I'm well thank you. Well, there is no appeal. How did you say a hot dog in French?

Chien chou. Yes, that's what he is. He's a hot dog and we can't afford four years of a hot dog. Okay, it's as simple as that. I'm a senior and I don't know of anybody, whether you're liberal, whatever, when you go into a grocery store, do you have a Brinks truck follow you? Thank you. You have a good day. Thank you, Martin. Thank you. Chien chaud and en bourgeois. Those are what you supposedly call those things. All right. Who do we have next? We've got Don on the phone. Don, welcome to the Ben Mulrooney show.

Hey, how are you doing today? I'm well, thank you. I love your show. Thank you. I'm calling from Edmonton. Oh, wow. This has died in the world conservative country. I listened to your show online because it's live.

So the only time I get it is four hours late in Edmonton. So I listened to it live. Well, thanks for calling in. I love the show. I love your perspective. You're doing the best reporting on this election. Thank you. And anybody in Western Canada that I hear on the radio.

So I love your perspective. And as you said, we're dyed in the wool conservatives. Yeah. And I hope to come out to Edmonton and to Calgary and to do the show from there at some point in the summer. But fingers crossed, we'll see if we can make it happen. But I'd love to come out there and do the show from exactly where you guys are. Good. And the fact that you're in the area of 416 area code and telling those folks,

that's where the line draws. As soon as they vote liberal, then we get a liberal government. If they go to conservative, we get a conservative government. So you're right in the heart of it. Keep telling those people to vote conservative. Well, yeah, listen, if you're gonna vote, and that's why I wanted to, and thank you, Don, for your call.

If you are gonna vote for Mark Carney, tell me why. Because I remember early on in this campaign having real substantive conversations with people. And when I would say, what's his opinion? Well, he got Donald Trump to stop calling us the 51st state. And I guess he did at the time. That's what he told us he did, but he didn't.

He didn't. He didn't say it then on the 28th and he repeated it yesterday. So again, I asked the question, what's Mark Carney bringing to the table? He said he comes back because he knows how to deal with a crisis. How has he managed this crisis?

Just give me an answer that I think would be satisfying. Who do we have next? We've got Robert calling in. Robert, thanks so much for calling. Make the case if you can for Mark Carney. Oh, the only case I can make, if I can make, is he brings the hubris to the table. That's all he's got and he's the man of the moment according to the way he thinks and I can't explain it. Yeah, and there are a lot of people who bought in to the myth that he created on the 28th after that phone call. He was going to be so different from Justin Trudeau, no more of this talk of being the governor, and this idea that, well, hold on, sure he says that 51st state stuff, but when I talk

to him, he talked to me as if I am the leader of a sovereign nation. Now I'm sorry, that's not good enough. Because by saying that, you are implying that anybody else would be treated as if they weren't the leader of a sovereign nation. And as delusional as Donald Trump can be, he's not so deluded that he would think that if he was talking to Pierre Poliev or even Jagmeet Singh for that matter, he was talking to anybody but the leader of Canada. That's not how it works.

And you're not going to get, I'm not so stupid that I'm going to buy that. And unfortunately, I think he's expecting people to buy into that false logic. Thank you very much for the call. And who do we have next? We've got Suzanne. Suzanne, thank you so much for calling in. Yes, thank you so much. I was going to say that Mark Carney, he's like a thief

as much as it takes. He just wants to put money in the bank for his account. But the way that he does his line, and people are in illusion that they will get the money and he's trying to spend lots of money. Like they think he will spend money on them, but no, people will be drained out from their account. Well, Susanna, I think what you're getting at is,

look, when he says, oh, the government's going to get back into the business of building homes. The government has no business building homes. We can't even do the most basic things. Why are we going to expand what the government can do into things that the private sector has specialized in doing? You'll never hear me question a politician's patriotism. I'm never going to do that. Mark Carney, I'm sure, loves this country

and wants the sure loves this country and wants the best for this country. But this notion that he is going to present a different liberal party than the one that we've seen over the past 10 years, I have seen no evidence of that on this campaign trail. I've seen the same tactics. I've seen the same scare tactics.

I've seen the same lies about their opponents, the conservatives specifically, that they're coming for reproductive rights and they're going to attack the Constitution. All of those things are stock and trade of the Liberal Party from days gone by. So the fact that the Liberal Party under Mark Carney is espousing those same tactics tells me it's the same party. And if the election ends and he is prime minister, I will put down my sword as somebody who's trying to get the conservatives elected,

because I believe they represent the best chance to get us back on track, but I'm not gonna stop my criticisms. And my criticisms will never be leveled at Mark Carney is a person. I'm sure he's an honorable and kind and nice person. But in this case, on this campaign trail, I have seen tactics espoused by him that I've seen from liberals in the past. And if I've

seen the tactics from the past, I'm going to see the policies of the past enacted in the future. And I am worried about the future if that's the case. Let's welcome Chris to the Ben Mulroney show. Thanks so much for calling in. Hey, Ben. I love the show. And I just wanted to, so I've watched a couple of Mark Carney's speeches and during his campaigns to see why he appeals to so many people. And the biggest thing that I've noticed is that he's so condescending to people the way that he speaks and his favorite word is that he has a comprehensive plan that nobody in this country

understands but him and he's the only one that can get us out. And it's the constant fear mongering in his speeches of Donald Trump that he's going to break us to make us one of his. Yeah, that's not true. It's not true. And we will never go to war with the states. We should and if anything be the best partners to make the trades that we have within our countries the best trades in the world. And I really, the talk that I had with other people that are voting for him is that they

constantly say that he's the only one that can get us out of it. So I think the constant regurgitation of the same thing over and over is almost brainwashing people to think that he is the only one. He is the savior of Canada. Yeah, and look at it. He says, you know, in his comprehensive plan, he says he's going to tackle crime. Okay, well, police associations from across the country are endorsing the conservatives in order to stop the crime. Home builders are coming out in favor of Pierre Poliev. Business titans are coming out in favor of, bankers are coming out in favor of him. Trades people are coming out in favor of Pierre Poliev.

I mean, you don't have to take my word for it. Take the word of the people, A, who have domain expertise, and who are gonna be the most affected by the policies. The people who will be affected by the policies are telling you that the policies of Mark Carney are not the right policies. Thank you so much for your call.

I think we've got time for one more call before the break. So let's welcome Steve to the Ben Mulready show. Thanks so much for calling. Hey, Ben. Good morning. Good morning. I'd like to reach out to some of these liberal voters, if I may. If they don't understand that Justin Trudeau is still running the show, because the man that's running now has no concept of politics. He's being coached day by day how to talk to people, how to treat them. It's no different than voting for Justin Trudeau. If you hated him before, you have to still hate on him. Well, I don't know that Justin Trudeau is coaching him,

but certainly the people who coach Justin are still pulling the strings from what I understand. Thank you to all of you for calling in. Welcome back to the Ben Mulroney Show. And can I be honest, one of the reasons I love doing this show, it's a different format for me, it's a different medium for me, it's a different medium for me, and I had been away from media for a while,

and it allowed me to reconnect with a lot of people that I used to interact with all the time. And my next guest is exactly that person, so happy to have on the show. I mean, this guy's been everywhere. He was the host of The Bachelorette, Bachelor Canada. He's been an actor. He was on the show Carnival Eats.

I used to be so jealous of all the delicious fried food that he got to eat. And he's just such a positive force in Canadian media. So pleased to welcome to the Ben Mulroney Show, hopefully not for the last time, Noah Capp. Welcome, my friend. Hey, oh, good to see you. Well, I guess here from you, buddy.

Yeah, yeah. Well, first of all, we've got so much to catch up on. I know you're a dad. How's life as a father? It's everything people tell you. It's both sides of the coin. It's like utterly exhausting and grinding, but so rewarding and fulfilling. It's it's really the balance of how whatever whoever figured out it's like whoever made puppies new, like made them so cute at the beginning

when you just can't take it. It's like they've cracked the code on kids. Just when you're like, I think I'm in a fall asleep standing up, they do the most magical thing and it all feels better. Well, I'm so happy for you. And what people should know is you and I connected over our love of burgers.

And we would go over around the city of Toronto finding and trying what we thought would be really great and interesting burgers. We gotta do that again, my friend. I was gonna say it's time to maybe bring it back and start giving people places to go. I know, because there are great burgers in this town. And in my humble opinion,

I think Toronto is better for the fact that, big chains like Shake Shack took a long time to get here and so the void that desire for Smash burgers was filled by you know like homegrown talent who were able to do great things in that space And so that when those big guys came in they didn't kill off the the little guy where they already had their fans Yeah, I mean listen we met initially through our Love of Food backstage, I think at the Canadian Screen Awards, Carnival Eats, and we had a little chance to chat

then our burger club started. But here's the question, and I know we've got a pivot here, but burgers, somebody's gonna bring back like a traditional big backyard chunky patty. Someone, it's smash burgers everywhere. Someone's gonna make like a good, real thick, old school backyard barbecue patty. Smash burgers everywhere. Yeah, someone's going to make like a good real thick old school backyard barbecue patty and it's gonna it's gonna it's gonna start to swing the other way. Yeah, it's good. I agree with you know, a capsule you used to be known for trying unknown

foods at carnivals across the United States. And now now you got something a new project called Noah versus the unknown. Talk to me about this, please. I think like so many people, the internet, the world of media has allowed me to learn so much more and extend my reach so much further. And I've got such an interest in the unknown in the, you know, I mean, like, you know, the pyramids and all those famous sites, but also interesting stories of manuscripts and scrolls and all kinds of interesting sites around the world. I've always had a theory that I think something happened on this planet. I'm not talking about UFOs.

I'm talking about just, I think there was an advanced civilization that probably spent time here that was capable of a lot more than we think. And you know, some people will say that sounds insane until we explore the story that we're going to talk about right now about some guy who's just trying to remodel his house and he did a little exploration. The next thing you knew, he found an entire, I got what a little underground city below

his basement. I mean, for anybody who's ever done a renovation, this will give you just like peace of mind whatever you found behind your wall It is nothing compared to this in Turkey Central Turkey in the 1960s He's doing a renovation opens up a wall and there's a tunnel then this tunnel leads to a 280 foot deep 18 stories of underground rooms, tunnels. And the more they explore it and the more they dive deeper in,

they realize that these aren't just rooms and tunnels. This was a home. There's almost like a religious room with acoustics that have been carved in to the walls and the shapes of the walls. There's livestock areas, there's 15,000 air shafts carved into. This is a place that was not just, we're going to go down and like, you know, play around as a bunch of kids.

Yeah, there was a plan that we've got to be down here for a long time. So it was built underground, right? Because my question was going to be maybe that was at ground level at some point, but over the course of centuries, it just got covered up. Like sometimes that has happened. But no, no, you're saying that with the air shafts that they discovered, this was purposefully built underground.

Purposefully built, the more they discover and the more they whatever, I mean, there's mile long tunnels that lead to additional underground. I feel comfortable to say the word cities because we're talking about 20,000 people living in these 18 floors of caves and rooms. And it's a civilization with doors.

There are a thousand pound round stones that roll in to a tunnel and seal it shut from the inside. Yeah, you know, I can't, when you, when I hear this, I think about the TV show, I don't know if you've watched the Apple TV show, Silo, but it's after a worldwide pandemic and everybody lives in these underground silos. It feels to me like, like exactly out of that playbook, but from centuries ago.

Yeah, I mean, obviously, look, the mainstream kind of theory is that there was there, there's, there's unrest, there's war, it's a time of, you know, civilizations clashing and religious, you know, people and all kinds of persecution, whatever, and that people are fleeing underground to hide from, you know, persecution, whatever it may be. But again, the vastness for people that can go on and look at images online, Darren Kuyu is the site. It's so unbelievable.

This was not a place to hide. This was a place where it was like, we need to be able to live here for a very, very long time. So does that open the door to some type of catastrophic event, something that happened, a meteor impact, something that makes above ground, uninhabitable for people. And if we're talking about that, then, then the clock starts to go back to a time where it gets interesting because there hasn't been an earth uninhabitable kind of, you know of event.

So you're talking around to maybe 10, 11,000 BC. Yeah. Well, wasn't there that meteor that exploded in Siberia? Yeah, it's like the Tunguskin. Yeah, maybe it was something like that. Listen, I love stories like this that I'd never heard of before that open up the possibility of all sorts of questions. You must be having so much fun with this project. Oh, so much fun.

And it's funny because I feel like you just set up a beautiful invitation for me to come back because that incident that you're talking about that you refer to as a meteor, there is a strong, strong theory that there is a UFO or extraterrestrial component there and a whole bunch of sightings and a whole bunch of like weird radiation levels.

And we can talk about that at some point, but that's an interesting story as well. This is, I mean, I love this sort of conversation. It allows us to put on our tinfoil hats for just a little bit, not for too, too long, but just a little bit. It's fun. Yeah.

No, this is fantastic. But do you talk to experts about it as well? I mean, I think I am just starting to enter this world. I put down the deep fried Twinkies, not just because my doctor told me to. Yeah. Oh, don't tell me you've gone full like health food mode. Never, never.

Ben, I had eight little mini pancakes for breakfast. Yeah, you did. Good for you. This is why you're the goat, my friend. And I bet you you've eaten deep fried goat, by the way. You are a hidden gem. You are an unknown legend because people, I think, know so much about you. But I think there's this part of you that like not as many people know that you have an unbelievable Like not as many people know that you have an unbelievable like interest and talent for over the top, like silly carnival style food. You love it.

Oh my God. I mean, I went to the Red River shootout where it was where I saw it with University of Texas versus what I can't remember who they played against. But anyway, I went to the, I went to Texas State Fair, my friend, and I ate it all. I ate everything. It was amazing.

But every time I watched you on that show, I could see the joy in your face. And the way you would describe the food, I was like, see, that's, I gotta get good like that. No one does it like you, as I'm sure nobody is going to do Noah versus the unknown. Are there, are these things you've always had questions about or actually we don't have too much time left.

How about this? Please, at the earliest possible convenience, come in, join me on a Wednesday episode where we do the Dilemma. We try to solve people's problems and we can talk more about this project. Wonderful, because I have some questions about the pyramids I'd love for you to solve for me.

Yes, I can do that right now, but no, sadly, we've got to go to break. Noah Capp, thank you so much. Noah versus the unknown, how can people find it? You can find me on social media for now and good things are coming. Thank you, Noah. Talk versus the unknown. How can people find it? You can find me on social media for now. And good things are coming. Thank you, Noah. Talk to you soon.

Later. And thanks so much for joining us on the Ben Mulroney Show. If you want to keep the conversation going, you know how to find me on X at Ben Mulroney. We'll post the podcast for those of you who missed it. Enjoy the rest of your Friday. We'll see you on Monday. There's no limit to how far criminals will

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