The Ben Mulroney Show - Is "la revolution" happening in Mexico? And a Trump ally turned foe

Episode Date: November 17, 2025

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the government falls and triggers an election campaign. And let's be honest, the past week or so, where after the budget was unveiled, we really haven't spent as much time scrutinizing it as we could have because we had been caught up in the drama that was the floor crosser, Chris Dantremont of Nova Scotia, who abruptly left the conservative caucus to become a liberal. And there was also another,

Another member of that caucus, I think it was Mark Jennerer, Mark Jennerer, who left from, where was he, Calgary? Anyway, he's from Out West, and he decided that he's not going to run in the next election. He's going to stay or stick around and he's going to resign next year. And so we spent a lot of time talking about Pierre Polyev, a man who has no impact on your lives at all. And instead of focusing on this budget that will absolutely affect your lives. So this is sort of the last day to scrutinize and talk about the budget before it either becomes law or it triggers an election. Now, the fact is, no party really wants an election. There are people in each party who are bullish on their party's respective futures.

A lot of people believe that this liberal government were to fall would come back even stronger than the next election and win a majority. So there's some people want that. You'll remember that during the pandemic in 2019, when we went to the polls, when Justin Trudeau subjected this country to an election in the middle of a pandemic, calling it the most consequential election of our lifetime, did so because in this radio host's opinion, he thought entirely politically, forgetting about the risk to your safety and health, we were told that the pandemic was that significant, we all went to the polls. and he thought he was going to get a majority and he didn't. He essentially was given the exact same mandate, more or less that he had the time before. And as soon as that election result did

not give him what he wanted, the House didn't sit for what, like six weeks, eight weeks, so much for it being consequential. So there are people who think entirely in political things through a political lens. There are people on the conservative side

that think that they could win the next election. If because it's a chance to essentially write the wrongs of the last election. Make sure that you run the campaign that they should have run last time. And if they did, if they do that, then maybe they have a shot. I don't know. But one thing that we know for sure is I don't think there's anybody in the NDP that are looking for an election.

They are leaderless. They are weak in the polls. And so they are, I mean, they would be foolish to think that things would end up better for them in the next election. than transpired in the last. Analysts are saying that the government will likely survive because of all these risks that we just described

and triggering an election whoever triggers it, whoever doesn't vote for this thing could be could face the brunt of some annoyed people in this country, voters in this country

who simply do not want to go to the polls again and that could give Carney his majority. He is popular personally, although if you heard the booze in Winnipeg at the Grey Cup when he was there for the coin toss, there are certain parts of the country where there's no such thing as a popular liberal.

But, unless we'll have to wait and see, this is a very, very important vote for this government as well as for all the parties. But let's move our attention now, not just south of the border, but south of the next border, into Mexico. I don't know if you guys caught the video, on social media

but it looked like hundreds of thousands of people hundreds of thousands I might be understating it came to protest the government

of the shine bomb government over the accusations that the leader of that country and the government in fact

are surreptitiously working with the drug cartels and that Mexico is in essence a narco state. Here is a Mexican senator, Lily Teyes, giving Fox News the lay of the land. Is Mexico a narco state? Yes, it is. And we all Mexicans know about it. And Mexicans are afraid of the alliance between the Mexican government and the cartels that have infested our

nation. Can you explain this alliance between the president, her party, the Morena Party, and the cartels? Yes, the party has finance, has given, the cartels have given so much money to these politicians, narco politicians of Morena to get into office, to get the power. So they protect, the Mexican government protects the cartels. That is why President Seimbaum doesn't want the strong American leadership, to help Mexico defeat the cartels. And also, shame-bound doesn't want the rest of the world

to know what is happening here in Mexico. We are on the steps to be the next Venezuela. She is aligned with Venezuela's dictator with Cuba and we are losing our country. Yeah, things are getting really tense in Mexico. And just to give you context on what's going on in Venezuela, you've got the president of the United States who is waging an official war. It's an official war on narco traffickers.

And he is focusing his ire and his military might on Venezuela, the largest, most technologically advanced aircraft carrier in the world that is part of the U.S. Arsenal is positioned right off the coast of Venezuela. there is open talk of the U.S. government hoping that the people rise up and have a revolution in Venezuela to depose the regime of Nicholas Maduro. So that's what's going on there. He's literally using drones to kill and destroy boats that are, he says, are containing drugs on their way. to, well, at all points in the Western Hemisphere. And I believe it was the Secretary of Defense or Secretary of War

who said that the Western Hemisphere is America's neighborhood and we're not going to let drugs infect our neighborhood. We're not going to sit by and let these drug dealers do what they do with impunity. So that's what's going on in Venezuela. And meanwhile, the president of Mexico is saying there's nothing to see here. Thousands of people marched in Mexico City, protesting crime, corruption, and the impunity with which the narco-traffickers are supposedly able to conduct a business. This massive protest was Gen Z or Gen Z organized. Older opposition supporters joined in large numbers. It started as peaceful. But eventually, the clashes erupted, erupted into full-blown mob mentality and mob rule late in the day.

120 people injured, 100 police officers injured, 20 arrested, and the protesters, at one point... That seems low, doesn't it? It does seem low, but what we witness,

the numbers, it was a sea of people protesting, and they pushed past the barricades that were protecting the presidential palace. They were using saws, they're using chainsaws. It was... So the only defense that the presidential palace

had at that point was the line of defense was physical police officers. So the clashes were inevitable. Let's listen to a little bit of some video. And the audio, the video is scary. One guy, one police officer

was ended up getting separated from his team. And he was dragged, physically dragged, into a crowd of protesters who began to beat him mercilessly. Let's listen. Yeah, it's frightening. It is frightening.

Now, President Claudia Shinebaum remains popular, personally popular, despite high-profile killings, including a murder in... But let me tell you, If Mexico goes the way of Venezuela, I don't know what that does to security in North America. This is something that a lot of people will be paying very close attention to. All right, don't go anywhere.

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You don't even know the game we're playing, do you? Landman, new season, now streaming, only on Paramount Plus. Welcome back to the Ben Mulrooney show, and we're going to have a conversation now about public discourse and the tone that our leaders set that I think a lot of us take our cues from. And before we go into sort of the gist of this, let's listen to a little bit of this weekend's Saturday Night Live weekend update. talking about Donald Trump and what he knew and when he knew it as it related to Jeffrey Epstein.

House Democrats released an email written by Jeffrey Epstein in which he claims that Donald Trump quote, knew about the girls. It's bombshell news that legal experts are calling, duh. Yeah, okay, I listen. I don't know one thing from another in this case.

My sense is that Donald Trump is not behaving in a way that should give any of his supporters the confidence that he didn't know anything because he claimed he was coming in and he was going to release the files. Release the files. He was going to open it all up and sunlight is the best disinfectant only to be told there's nothing to see here. Well, show us then if there's nothing to see, right?

This doesn't look good. So there's some circumstantial evidence that suggests that something smells fishy. But I want to have to pull back. have a broader conversation about the tone that our leaders set in terms of public discourse. Because Marjorie Taylor Green, the representative, U.S. Congresswoman from Florida, has been, from Georgia, I'm sorry, Georgia, she lived in Florida at one point, from Georgia, has been one of the worst debasers of the tone and the quality of public discourse that I've seen ever. She has

not acquitted herself with honor as I would say for years hurling expletives at people and insulting them to high heaven. And last week I think we all saw something that was really shocking. She was a guest on the view and there are no love

loss between the women of the view and Marjorie Taylor Green but she showed up on the view and professed a desire to have more productive conversations. She got applause from it. I didn't watch the entirety of the conversation, but her tone in that introduction was measured. It didn't, it felt like she had a, like, somebody had the body snatchers had taken over her body. It was an X-Files. It was an X-Files, right?

And we even said on this show, it's great to hear, we don't know if it's a genuine change of heart, but it was nice to see regardless. And then we see that she was on, um, She was on CNN continuing with that tone. But before that, with the talking about when she was talking about releasing the file, this was on, I believe, the CBS Morning Show. Oh, yes, because she has been a big proponent in the release. She wants these files released. She's been pushing it very much.

And I think she was disappointed in Donald Trump's about face. Not only is about face, but shutting down of any suggestion that there's anything there. So let's listen to her demanding the release of the. files. You are on the side of releasing them and you're on that side, despite President Trump saying that only a very bad or stupid Republican would be standing where you are. Why is this so important to you? It's for the victims. These women have been waiting some of them for decades. I talked to several victims that were raped by Jeffrey Epstein back in the 90s. And so this is information that has needed to come out for a very long time.

and the American people have demanded it. Yeah, so this is the, she's now staking her claim to being a defender of the victims of Jeffrey Epstein's crimes, which means she is flying in the face of what Donald Trump wants, because Donald Trump wants this to just go away. And this is not going over well with Donald Trump. Quote, all I see wacky, Marjorie do is complain, complain. That's from his social media. continues. She has told so many people that she is upset that I don't return her phone calls

anymore. I can't take a ranting lunatics calls every day. And he pledged to back any Republican opponent that takes her on in next year's midterm elections. See, Donald Trump. That's a 180. Well, look, he's, whether you like him or not, you have to, you have to realize that he's a very transactional human being. He sees relationships as binary. If you're helpful to me, I'm on your side. And when you're not, I will destroy you. That's it. Doesn't matter what you've done for him in the past. If you and he have a disagreement, he is going to do everything he can to destroy you. Now, there's some people who are going to listen to what I just said completely agree, but also say that's not a bad thing. In fact, it's a good thing. I think it's just a fact. And you can,

you can decide to admire his resolve, or you can choose to look at him as that being a very unhealthy perspective on how to do anything. Marjorie Trader Green, that's the new one. That's a great nickname. Marjorie Trader Green is a disgrace to our great Republican Party. And let's listen to Donald Trump on MGT. Oh yeah, MTG. This is something that, well, this is his perspective today. Marjorie Taylor Green is not any way. I mean, she is a very different thinking than I have. Something happened to her over the last period. of a month or two, where she changed, I think, politically, I think that her constituents aren't going to be happy. Already, I have people calling me. They want to challenge her to a race in her

district in Georgia. And, you know, that's too bad. She's lost a wonderful conservative reputation. I don't think it's a conservative thing or not to say the victims of Jeffrey Epstein deserve the information that is in those files, especially because you promised it, on the election campaign, Mr. President. And when you say there's nothing in them, then there is absolutely no liability to showing that to people. And the fact that you're refusing to do so, sorry, any rational person would ask the question why.

And so now I want you to hear Marjorie Taylor Green on CNN with Dana Bash. And remember that she built a brand for herself. by being, a polite way of saying is firebrand. But she has been the source of so much animosity, the name calling, the slurs, the talking over people. The shouting that she would do from the rooftops, she would go on these shows with the sole intent of being the loudest person on any panel.

And a victory for her would be if she left that, that interaction, having done what Donald Trump probably wanted her to do, which was besmirch and insult anybody who came for him. And now I want you to listen to her on CNN, and here is her perspective today. But we have seen these kinds of attacks or criticism from the president at other people. It's not new. And with respect, I haven't heard you speak out about it until it was directed at you. Dana, I think that's fair criticism. And I would like to say humbly, I'm sorry for taking part in the toxic politics. It's very bad for our country. And it's been something I've thought about a lot, especially since Charlie Kirk was assassinated, is that we, I'm only responsible for myself and my own words and actions. And I am committed. And I've been working on this a lot. lately to put down the knives and politics. I really just want to see people be kind to one

another. Look, I don't know, like I said, I don't know if this is genuine. I don't know if polls are telling her that her brand of politics is now a liability. I don't know if she has grander goals to be a senator. And she realizes somebody's told her the way to get there is to be more magnanimous, more diplomatic, more of a true leader who inspires instead of cuts down. I don't know if it's a play or if it's genuine. But hearing those things is just, to me, it's, I never thought I would hear it. I thought she was a true believer who would go down with the ship. If I asked you a year ago, if I said, hey, but $100 that she's going to do this a year from now,

you'd have taken that bet. Yeah, no, I would have taken that bet. You would say, well, you'd actually say, no, there's not a chance. I would lose, obviously. And if Donald Trump can lose Marjorie Taylor Green, or if Marjorie Taylor Green can be turned off by Donald Trump, it doesn't bode well for that movement. So, yeah, chalked this one up to.

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