The Ben Mulroney Show - Is Poilievre's inner circle shrinking? Plus the importance of seniors connecting

Episode Date: May 20, 2026

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It's time for Wacky Wednesday, Canada. Are you sitting down? You need to be sitting down because this is when stuff gets a little weird. Welcome to the show, Andy Gibbons. Principal at Wallgate and Regan Watts, the founder of Fratton Park. Guys, I hope you're having a great week.

Hey, Wednesday. Bonjour, much, um. Listen, there are a few stories that we try to approach in different ways, and I've talked about this story before, but now I want to fold it into this conversation. Of all the things that Justin Trudeau could use to advance DEI and reconciliation, I present to you this,

the indigenous themed memorial with Vietnam era flackjackets and helmets. As General Rick Hillier texted to us last night, quote, it doesn't relate to us at all. It is appalling. I've had vets reach out to us. No memorial is better than that memorial. What are your two cents? We'll start with you, Regan.

So, Ben, a couple of comments. First and foremost, I couldn't agree more with your response to the article and to this news. You know, I've tried to avoid my favorite line that I use on the show, which is the long national nightmare known as Justin Trudeau, but for some reason, he keeps popping up in the news. I know I went to business school with a couple of Afghan vets. Shout out to Dave Quick and Paul Carroll, who were heroes who went to Afghanistan on several tours and came back. You know, that war in Afghanistan was longer than World War II and longer than came. Canadian served in World War I. And there were some challenges with the memorial in the first place in terms of where the government was going to put it.

But then to finally, years later, once they've landed on a location, and I think LeBretton Flats is the right place in Ottawa to do it, because it's near the War Museum, which is a beautiful museum that folks should go and visit. The government somehow manages to screw up the content. And I don't know much, but I do know this. if the warriors who fought in Afghanistan are unhappy with what is on display and what is planned that tells me maybe the government should go back to the drawing board because those men and women put their lives on the line and not me. But I will say it's not unreasonable to have an indigenous element to the memorial because

there were certainly some indigenous heroes. But driving this DEI nonsense down our throats, thank God Justin Trudeau was gone. And maybe the Carney government can go back to square one and start it in the only place where there should be any sort of reference to indigenous Canadians is in the soldiers from those communities who fought valiantly alongside

other Canadian soldiers. That's it. Not everything. Not everything is about truth and reconciliation. And that's the truth. And you got to reconcile with it. Andy, don't you think, however, that this is on, this would be on brand for Mark Carrey.

who is breaking from Justin Trudeau on actually investing in our soldiers, our military, and recognizing the sacrifice, the willingness to lay down their lives in furtherance of Canada's values. And this would be completely in keeping with that to then say, you know what? This whole thing, we're throwing it out. And we're going back to what the vets and the jury unanimously agreed on. We're going back to the original one. Mark Carney must be so tired of this, Ben. Yeah.

Because this week also was the snowbirds. And if you caught him, he was at his press conference where he had to say, I inherited this. And he said, we. And he got caught between the eye and we. But he was clearly angry, like a teenager working in a grocery store. He's just carrying that mop around, even up aisle after aisle after aisle.

And it was people on his team who caused the mess. So they have to go back to the drawing board on this. And just to remind you and your listeners, this is the second time this has been messed up. The first time the federal government unveiled the Afghan Memorial, it was in a parking lot. I don't know if you remember this. No, I didn't.

There was a bit of shame about it. So this was their attempt to get it right. So I'm with Regan. Location 10 out of 10. Importance of it, 10 out of 10. But yeah, that's not the place for these agendas. So they're in the category with Memorial University in terms of the last people on earth to get the.

message. Let's move on to an article in the Globe and Mail where they're suggesting that the inner circle, Pierre Polio's inner circle, is shrinking. Regan, I want to start with you on this because you are, you know, you're a veteran of time on the hill. You know how these things go is the fact that he has another member of his team is leaving. Is that a sign of something or is there just mobility in that type of work? Well, there's a few comments I'll make. First, Ian Todd, who served Mr. Poliyev as his chief of staff, I think performed the most difficult job in the history of Canadian politics,

which is advising a leader who doesn't and isn't inclined to listen to others other than himself. That's the first thing. The second thing is the people that have been promoted behind Mr. Todd leaving. And by the way, Ian is retiring. He's been in the game a long time, and I tip my chapeau for his years of service. He's been a great soldier and did his best in every circumstance he found himself. You know, the leader, Mr. Polyev, has gone and promoted Steve Outhouse, his campaign manager to become his chief of staff, and also a gentleman by the name of Aaron Lee Woodrick to be his deputy chief of staff. Now, I think Aaron Lee Woodrick is an exceptional talent and is a very, very bright man, and I think comes up with some good ideas and provides good advice. Mr. Outhouse, nice man. Everybody says he's a good guy, but I'm not sure how you can do two jobs, run the campaign, and be chief of staff. But the problem for Mr. Polyev is this is yet another hyperature. with Mr. Todd, followed by Katie Merrifield in the fall,

and Jenny Byrne earlier last year following the election. And, you know, these are really talented people. Now, I have it on good authority that Katie was blamed for Mr. Polyev's bad polling numbers. I'm not sure that's fair to Katie. Katie, if you look at Mr. Polyev's success, was the influence and the advice behind some of the things that he did best. So the only thing that appears to be shrinking at this point, Ben, right now, is the accessible voter pool for Mr. Polyev. And I'm not sure changing staff is going to be enough to change. a trajectory of his polling.

Andy, your thoughts. Yeah, I'm not with Regan at all on this. It's a natural juncture for people to decide, am I up for this for the next three years? So up until Carney secured his majority, that was unclear. Is the election in five minutes or is it in three years? So, you know, I would cut Pauley have a lot of slack here.

I mean, yeah, the chief of staff changes. And by the way, there was a lot of talk about who's going to work for him. And he asked someone really great working for him. And we've talked on this show about a lot of the things he's done this year have been the things people and his critics have said he should do. So I think he gets a bit of a break here. I don't see these departures as a symbol of anything. I think it's the natural argy bargy of opposition staffing. Yeah.

And, you know, so that's all I chalk it up to. I mean, could it be a little bit of both? Well, it's probably a bit of both. It's normal at this time. Yeah. Are these people up for certain in this job for the next three years? But, Andy, it's normal when the house has risen. The house is still sitting, the House of Commons.

You know, Mr. Todd is a genuine retirement. There's no doubt about that. Katie Merrifield can explain her departure on her own terms, but I'm sure she decided she'd had enough of working in that office. But she can speak for herself. The challenge, though, Andy, is this. Mr. Polyev needs to attract really good talent, both in his caucus and in his staff ranks.

And there's not been one high profile hire from outside or one high profile candidate running from the outside that you can point to that make Canadians sit up and go, oh, there may be something different here. The other challenge, of course, is Mr. Pollyev has done some of the things that you and I and Ben have suggested he do. The problem is he hasn't stuck with them.

And so he's gone out and moderated his tone and tried to be more states than like, and because he didn't get the immediate poll bump three days later, he's gone back to his greatest hits. I mean, I know Mr. Pahliev had a green plan in the last election, but I didn't realize it involved recycling his lines from the last election and using them in 2026. So, you know, it's going to take more than staff change to make things happen. Andy, last word to you?

I think it's unfair. You know, six months ago, conservatives were chattering about who's going to take over the campaign, who's going to run the next campaign. He can't attract talent. And Steve outhouse is there. Someone, as Regan says, everyone respects and likes and is a real force in the conservative movement. So I just think it's a, you know, a bunch of Beltway. Two jobs.

Belway babble to me. Well, we are going to take a break. When we come back, we're going to talk about the CBC Prank show that went wrong. It's no bueno for the CBC. And so I want to get everyone's take on this and what they do to put out the fire. If there's anything they can do, that's coming up next right here on the Ben Mulroney show from coast to coast to coast. on the chorus, radio, network. Let's take a look at the roads with 640 Toronto Big Trouble Traffic.

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We're continuing our conversation. And we got to talk about this ridiculous show that somebody at the CBC heard the pitch for, signed a $5 million check doing his best imitation of Justin Trude. And I say, yes, more of this. We need more of this. And in the wake of it, embarrassed CBC news. The CBC more broadly, attacked veterans of the RCMP, and people who lost their jobs simply for having an opinion that is not the opinion held by the Illuminati in this country. Now, Andy, the CBC has decided to put pause, press pause on this production.

And now they're going to go and look at the footage to see how to proceed next. And I got to wonder, should they be the ones looking at this? Or should somebody else be taking a crack at it? Well, they're obviously not the people for that. But the best show idea they could have been is they should have a close circuit camera and video. in the boardroom where the people debate which shows they should fund and not fund, and let Canadians listen to that conversation. Yeah.

And everyone would watch it just to hear how ridiculous all of it is. What got me on this story, and I don't know if your listeners followed it, they were inviting people onto the show to explain their views about very sensitive and awful tragedies and issues that are contentious. And then using, they wanted to use that material to educate. So it was a bit of a gotcha. I don't know what the word is. Gotcha.

False precept for false pretenses. And that's actually unethical. I would not be surprised if they have, if they have formal complaints. Oh, there's the RCMP. Well, the RCMP is looking at whether or not they have a legal claim to go after the CBC or the producers or both. But the CBC, Regan, again, they try to,

they try to couch this in words that are supposed to shut people up. this was about pursuing truth and reconciliation. Normally when that happens, oh, truth and truth and reconciliation, okay, well, I'll, I'll, I'll pass the mic and I'll make space and all that stuff, right? Except this was not about any of that, because there was no truth in this when they were going after Sir John A. McDonald, they were going after him through a historical keyhole looking at the worst things he's ever said. And that, and then blowing that up to define him. That's not truth, and you can't have reconciliation without truth. And a lot of these people were trying to pursue the truth by trying to figure out what is under the ground at the Camloops school.

And so there's no humor here. They weren't going after Regan. They weren't going after the people who opened the floodgates on drug use across this country that's led to people dying. They're not going after those people. They're going after somebody who's trying to defend the reputation of our founding father. Like, come on, man. Yeah. Well, look, I think the CBC, there's a number of issues with the CBC, Ben, that are well documented.

The idea that they were going to trick people into coming on to their show and voicing their opinions under, as Andy says, fault pre-sentences is absolute ethical. The CBC hasn't really been funny since Rick Mercer ran the... If you remember that petition where he ran a petition across Canada to change Stockwell Day's name from Stockwell Day to Doris Day. I mean, that was a pretty funny moment in Canadian pop culture. And, you know, they lost hockey night in Canada. The news is not what it used to be. You know, the CBC is a shadow of its former self.

And unfortunately, it is our national broadcaster. And it needs a complete hollowing out and a cleanup. Do I think that a colloing out and cleanup of the CBC's on Prime Minister Carney's agenda? No, probably not because I think he's got other fish to fry. but we as Canadian, conservatives, wherever you sit on the political spectrum, we should want a strong national broadcaster that builds the country up.

And after the 10 years known as the long national nightmare known as Justin Trudeau destroyed culture in this country, we actually need institutions like the CBC to restore what we once had. You know, we were talking about the Afghan War Memorial earlier. The CBC. Oh, I think he froze. I think the CBC somehow got into his Wi-Fi and froze. Oh, there you are.

You want to finish that thought, Regan? I just said, I said the CBC needs a reboot, and I think we need them to unite the cuts. And my hope is that at some point we can get back to a national broadcaster that brings us together and not divides us. Andy, look, during the election campaign, the liberals were exceptionally bullish on the CBC. They ran themselves as a counterpoint to the conservatives that wanted to privatize the whole thing or just to shut her down. And in that way, there were actually two very different options on the ballot. And I take Regan's point. He's got bigger fish to fry the prime minister does than worrying about this.

But I think we could all agree, Andy, that one thing that should not be on his radar is giving this group of hooligans any more money. They will pull the dump truck up and put it in reverse bin, beep, beep, and unload as much money. as the CBC wants because their voter pool and these boomers love the CBC. So the only people in Canada who watch and love and adore the CBC and see it as essential to our cultural fabric and all these things is the current Mark Carney fan club over 60, you know, beachcomer reruns, Rick Mercer. Rick Mercer Order of Canada photos and the whole works. Like, sorry to break it to you, they are not going to cut anything about the CBCB. Well, but that's why I think that they've got to air this thing out and there has to be an investigation by somebody other than the CBC.

I said it earlier. Can you guys imagine a scenario where these guys watch this footage and they go, oh, God, this is worse than we thought. This is awful. This is God awful. This can never see the light of day. Can you imagine a scenario or after seeing that? They put out a press release or a conclusion that says, yep, there's a bad guy in this whole thing. and the bad guys over there,

and they have to point to a group of First Nations TV producers. Can you imagine a scenario where they would do that? Well, look at what the BBC does. Like, why doesn't the CBC have a town hall and bring people together and debate these things and make our democracy more vibrant and all these things? BBC and Sky News and these British broadcasters, they don't shy away from tough debates and shows

where there's really contentious issues. No, but because, buddy, buddy. What's the problem here with? Because, no, you're getting, you're getting, you're way behind here. In the mind of a certain type of person, and a lot of them work at the CBC, there is no debate. There are 215 dead bodies. And there was a genocide. And our founding father wanted to kill all of the natives.

Those are the facts. Those are the facts. Well, Ben, maybe what the CBC can do is as a, as a, as a. a peace offering is work with APTN and Indigenous leaders and publish and work on a documentary that builds up Sir John A and the contributions he and the founding fathers made to the country. That may be one way to atone, and I'm probably going to get roasted in the comments on this by a certain subset of the crowd, but atone for the air in spending $5 million on a wasted show. Look, money gets invested in television all the time, Ben.

You know this. $5 million on a show is a lot of money on the surface, but it's not really a lot of money. but it is still disappointing that CBC continues down this weird lefty path because the, you know, the organization, and I take Andy's point, but the organization can be so much more and better for Canadians.

All right, we only have like a minute and a half left here. I want your guys taking, Andy. We'll start with you. The prime minister announced an independent advisory board to help select the next judge of the Supreme Court. And the chair of it is Maureen McTeer of, you know, the Joe Clark's, oh, so much more than Joe Clark's wife, but they were a team back in the day.

No, but she's a lawyer in her own right. And she's, nobody knows more about the history of 24 Sussex than Maureen McTier. I can promise you that. But no, she's there. All of these people are, they've been recommended by different stakeholders. I like this idea. Andy, what do you think? I like it too.

And congratulations to them. I believe she just got her order of Canada as well. So congratulations to her and Catherine, Chad and the family. That's great. And credit to Prime Minister Carney for appointing her. And also, again, just to steal Regan's thunder, the appointments that Justin Trudeau made over the last decade requires some serious people to make sure they don't happen again. I won't name any names. But I won't you. This is a good day. Congratulations to come here. Regan, one or two sentences, please. I just want to know if the breakers in Palm Beach are sponsoring the show because, Ben, for those who are watching on TV, you are looking. looking awfully tanned.

No, no, we didn't turn all the lights on today. Supreme Court Justice. I just want to know how you look this good on a Wednesday afternoon. The lights, we didn't turn the lights all the way up today. That's why. I look darker because we don't have the lights on the way we do. You look spectacular. Thank you very much.

I own many leather-bound books. Thank you very much, gentlemen. We'll see you soon. Bye. All right. When we come back, our good friend from Genwell, Pete Bombachi, is here. We're talking about loneliness among seniors. It's a problem that needs to be talked about.

Welcome back. And every week we have these wonderful chats with our friend Pete Bombachi from Genwell about human connection and the importance of face-to-face and tactile interactions with people. And it's just getting away from our screens and all the positive knock-on effects that come from them. And last week, Pete, we mentioned, loneliness among seniors, you know, our grandparents

and that sort of thing. You know, we don't, we don't live in a culture where the default setting is when that, when our grandparent is alone and they can't take care of themselves,

they can't work, they come live with the younger generation. It happens, but it's not the default setting. As a matter of fact, in a lot of cases, we ship them off to places and they have a tough time

making connections with people at that age and they default to being alone. And that, I mean, if you've had a wonderful life, Pete, and that's how it ends? Like, that's your final chapter. What a sad, what a sad state of affairs. Yeah, I think, you know, Ben, at the end of the day, we have not valued aging the way we should have. Yeah.

And I think some cultures around the world really do see the value in that. You look at Japan, you know, we have the blue zones around the world where people live to an average age of over 100 years of age. And one of the single greatest contributors to that longevity is, you know, human connection and intergenerational, but it's everybody being part of the solution. Well, there was a study that just came out. I saw it on Instagram. I guess my phone's always listening. But it said that there is now documented proof out of Harvard that says that grandparents, their quality of life goes up the more time they spend with their grandkids. Now, I'm sure they looked at grandkids, but I'm sure there's a similar benefit to just having

connection, right? Like the time spent with younger people, the time spent with just people, it is of benefit. But I find that we have spent so much time and energy and research and funding into extending our lifespan. But that hasn't come with a commensurate increase in the quality of that life. So that tapers off. And then so we live far longer. But the quality of that life suggests And what kind of life is it? There's a drop-off. Hey, I think you hit it on the head, which is, and I think we mentioned it in one of the previous conversations,

which is we've told people for 50 years that we should exercise, eat well, sleep water, don't drink too much, don't smoke. But we didn't articulate to people that actually human connection is the single greatest driver of happiness. It increases health outcomes. It increases longevity. And so when we start to help people understand these intuitive, you know, somewhat intuitive idea about connection being good for us, but we take that to a deeper understanding

of, hey, this is actually what will help us thrive as human beings, not just to sustain life, but actually to thrive as human beings. This is what we need, whether we're young or as we're talking about as we age. So what are unique aspects of the loneliness epidemic among the elderly? Well, I think what it is is really helping people understand what are the negative consequences that come when we feel chronically or persistently disconnected. So increase in risk for heart disease, type 2 diabetes. How does that work though? What's the connection between loneliness and heart disease?

So I think what really happens is it increases inflammation in the body. So when we feel stressed or anxious, that increases inflammation in the body. And that can actually lead to all types of illnesses. But it also helps. It also leads us to coping strategies. So we may become less mobile. Yeah. We may take coping strategies like alcohol or drugs or other things in order to get through these challenging things.

And all of those things can lead to those downstream negative implications. So it's really, it's a whole collective of things that when we feel chronically or persistently lonely, we make some decisions and our bodies have some feelings that don't lead to positive outcomes. Yeah. And is there, are there groups out there that can help? I mean putting up when you, it's a tough decision when a family has to put their, uh, their, their, their loved one in, um, you know, a care home, right? Like it's, I don't think anybody relishes it or they shouldn't.

Or is it kind of sick. But you don't like, it's, it's, it's a, it's a choice that's forced upon people. But it's out of sight, out of mind, you know? Like it's, sometimes it's not like my grandmother, to be fair, my grandmother went to, uh, in her final years, She stayed, she was at a place in Montreal, which is no longer there called Fulford House. Or I think my own Fulf, I might not be there anymore. Anyway, I used to call it the sorority house at time forgot. And, but I used to go a lot because it was right next door to the Barbie Barn,

which was a rib place. And so it was easy for me because I would go for lunch and then I'd go see my grandmother. I offered to bring her to the Barbie Barn. She did not want to go. But it was downtown and it was easily accessible. And between all of us siblings when we were in town. which we saw as much of her as we could. But in a lot of cases, it's out farther out.

And we've set ourselves up for failure. I think, you know, when we didn't understand the value of human connection, and as life got busier and it became almost an easy thing to say, hey, well, why don't we outsource the caregiving of our seniors to a third-party caregiver? And what we're now recognizing is not only does that have negative impacts on the senior, but it actually has a negative outcome on families. Because having that grandparent, I literally did a workshop yesterday up in New Market

and a young lady in the room who just lost her nana, mentioned the fact that she talked to her nana three times a day and she broke down and was emotional in the room because she said, I haven't been able to fill the void of that conversation I had every day with my nana. And so if we actually put value back in because we understood the power of human connection,

maybe we'd be less likely to outsource the caregiving and more think about how we could incorporate our elders into our families because we know of all the positive benefits that come from those relationships. Well, one thing that we found is my, and my sister was so smart. With my grandmother on my mom's side, what she's done is like she would sit with her and have her recount all of the recipes that she had in her mind. And my sister wrote it as a cookbook.

and getting your loved one, your grandparent, or your great uncle or whatever it is, on camera or recording them for future generations, asking them to tell their story. And it can take weeks, it could take months, like just start at the beginning. What was life like when you were born? And that's a great way to do it.

It's a great way to find something in common because sometimes there's that as well. But there's all sorts of ways to connect with you know, the older generation in your family. You know, I think, you know, oftentimes you might think about that, Ben, and say, oh, that's for future generations. But think about what it will do for the senior, the aging person in your life, to actually show that you care.

I want to know your story. I want to know your history. Yeah. And I think that is what our seniors are saying. And let's be clear, let's be clear, this isn't every senior. There's many seniors out there that are actually quite social and quite engaged. And so this isn't every senior, but it's about making. all of us more conscious and aware, who are the seniors around us who may be struggling because

of a loss, loss of a loved one, because their kids may have moved away, maybe they've got mobility issues, maybe they've got hearing issues or sight issues. And when we start to recognize the people around us that might be struggling, we can be part of the solution. And it really is simple things about, hey, how are you doing, checking in on your take. Can I get you anything from the grocery store? All these little things will let them know that they haven't been forgotten and that they are of value. Yeah. And as we've come out of COVID and we left our little house or our bubble, we realize the world's a big place and there are connections out there that we're dying on the vine. And we went, I think we tended more or less pretty well to the ones that we could see.

But if you have a loved one that is tucked away in a home somewhere, you're not going to see that connection. You're not going to see that that needs, that requires work as well. And so that's, I think it's important. I'm glad we're having. in this conversation to remind people that, yeah, some of those connections are not as visible and they're not as immediate, but they are just as pressing. And I think seniors home in long-term care places do a great job at trying to build connection. But I think we need to remember one thing. You know, having a PSW, somebody there who can take care of your needs is one aspect of

connection. But really oftentimes what a senior or an aging person is looking for is connection to their past. It's family, it's friends, it's neighbors, and it's those connections that mean the most. Pete Bambachi from Genwell. How can people find Genwell? They can find Genwell at genwell.ca. And look out for seniors' loneliness awareness week coming up,

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